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Speaker 1: Hey, what a book a bit. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This

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Speaker 1: is all Ball. Our guest today is Mark Pope, dead

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Speaker 1: coach of BYU. The Kooks have their first season in

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Speaker 1: the Big Twelve after coming off almost a decade in

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Speaker 1: the West Coast Conference, a league in which they've done

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Speaker 1: well in, but I don't think as well as they

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Speaker 1: would have liked, especially considering even though BYU has some

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Speaker 1: limitations in terms of their reach and recruiting, they also

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Speaker 1: have some benefits, you know. I mean, like Mormon community

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Speaker 1: is unbelievable in their desire to play basketball, and if

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Speaker 1: you grow up Mormon Church of Latter day Saints, there's

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Speaker 1: one place you'd love to play the most. Mark Pope

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Speaker 1: has an interesting journey to get there. We're gonna at

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Speaker 1: a later date do the whole Mark Poe, this is

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Speaker 1: your basketball life sort of thing. In the meantime, I

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Speaker 1: thought we'd catch up with him a Big Twelve media

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Speaker 1: day getting ready for this season. And it's interesting because

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Speaker 1: if you if you look at my phone, Mark Pope's

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Speaker 1: number is actually the same number as a former assistant

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Speaker 1: we start. Here's my conversation with BYU head coach Mark Pope.

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Speaker 1: My favorite story in texting coaches is Mark Pope because

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Speaker 1: what I think. There was a year which I did

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Speaker 1: thirteen UNOV games in Vegas in Vegas, and every time

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Speaker 1: and I would text Dave Rice and say, like, what

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Speaker 1: And I would get a text back wrong number. This

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Speaker 1: So Mark Pope joins me in on all ball.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing so great man, Doug, great to

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Speaker 3: be here with you. What what is this like?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm a transfer your transfer we've said we experienced it,

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Speaker 1: so different now because there's the transfer portal, and it's

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Speaker 1: different for you because your team was in a different conference.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I think we'd all agree stepping up in level of

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Speaker 1: athleticism and competition, right. So what's it like to and

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Speaker 1: you have BYU has their own in other parts to

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Speaker 3: What is that like to build your roster this year

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Speaker 3: with all that? It's super complicated and it's I love it.

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Speaker 3: I actually love every bit of it. But it is

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Speaker 3: wildly complicated, like it is for everybody right now. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's you used to kind of have as a coach.

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Speaker 3: You used to have a four year, five year, six

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Speaker 4: And that was just like you have a one year grid.

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Speaker 4: That's it and that's what you're working on.

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Speaker 1: By US always had that with a weird thing where

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Speaker 4: Yes, you have the two blank ears, the blank spots, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, well, we think they're gonna come back and

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Speaker 1: That's you know, that's why they pay you the big bucks, right.

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Speaker 4: So it's what the challenge has given all of us

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Speaker 4: You know, we had three straight years we were ranked

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is. And you know retention again at

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Speaker 1: I mean, I grew up going to Mormon church to

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Speaker 1: Maritt Center's pretty cool, right over four thousand people right

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Speaker 1: You know where are you most excited about taking the

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Speaker 1: Last thing, because I know you gotta run. Give me

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Speaker 4: We have a chance for in Dawson Baker from you

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting, right because you see him. Obviously the

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Speaker 4: He's like, you know, a coach, I don't care. I'm coming.

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Speaker 4: I think this kid's all winner. I think he's gonna

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Speaker 1: Right, within the within the time that you have. I

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Speaker 1: want to do it, Mark Pope, this is kind of

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Speaker 1: your life on all ball when you have time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, come on, let's go.

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Speaker 2: I'd love it.

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Speaker 4: In the meeting, in the meeting, come, I'm a huge fan.

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Speaker 2: Heres, come on, it does go.

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Speaker 1: The feeling feeling is virtual in the meantime, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining me.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you, brother.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this edition of All Ball. Thought you'd

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Speaker 1: like that Popes are great, dude, and by you, a

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Speaker 1: talented team with probably the highest recipitius rate in the league.

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Speaker 1: Everyone else trying to search for other players. Many teams

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Speaker 1: you will see if it pays off with it for

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