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Speaker 2: Yim and I'm Carol Marcowitz. How was your weekend, marry Catherine?

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Speaker 3: It was pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I flew back and forth from Michigan so I could

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Speaker 3: You'd hate to leave just your husband there for.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you wanted the experience, of course.

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Speaker 1: I actually woke up at seven and was like, look

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Speaker 2: Till seven before I realized, yeah, this is the good one.

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Speaker 4: This is the springing forward is the one that everybody likes,

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Speaker 2: At least I think that's the way it goes.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm basically neutral. They didn't torture me

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Speaker 3: too much. We're fine. Yeah, are you doing not bad?

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Speaker 3: I've handed that off to you children.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, all right, what is going on in the world.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you and I were discussing whether

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Speaker 4: These were improvised explosive devices that could have caused serious

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Speaker 2: Now you heard the.

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Speaker 3: Name, Thank you, Commissioner Tish for being pretty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she's I mean New Yorkers should if she goes

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Speaker 2: New Yorker should hang on to her as best as possible.

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Speaker 4: Going on in New York is that these attacks, that

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Speaker 4: or Mamdannie, during anti Islam rally and counter protest. Now,

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Speaker 4: not who was involved in the bombing at all. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Well and Zoron Momdani's statement further confuses by saying, yesterday,

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Speaker 1: white supremacist Jake Lang organized a protest outside Gracie Mansion

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Speaker 1: We followed what followed was even more disturbing. Violence at

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Speaker 3: I think you could monitor it a little bit closer.

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Speaker 4: Threw the bombs, It's actually amazing. So the terrorists jumped

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Speaker 4: I cannot stress this enough. It was right near our

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Speaker 3: It is so embarrassing. Yeah, you're not brave, you're stupid.

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Speaker 1: Well and mom, Donnie's statement illustrates what too many leftists

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Speaker 1: These guys did not have hardships, We didn't torture them.

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Speaker 4: And apparently they made pro Isis comments and held up

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Speaker 4: The conspiracy theories that we see permeating on the right

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Speaker 4: People feel like they've been lied to for so long

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Speaker 2: And that's actually what's happening well.

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Speaker 1: And what the press does is that they specifically on

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Speaker 1: And what the press does is that they erase leftist

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Speaker 3: Are those Republicans?

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Speaker 1: I just want to make sure when that happened, within

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Speaker 3: That's what I was being asked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they do.

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Speaker 4: They turn it into something that does not exist, and

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Speaker 1: I mean, this one, this coverage is just such dishonest.

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Speaker 1: Is where it comes from, and it does not does

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Speaker 1: New York Times, and they don't think it's a problem.

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Speaker 4: So my old city councilman, Bradlander, who is the absolute worst.

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Speaker 4: He tweeted, happy to know that our mayor and first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was designed to be misinformation and just unfortunately

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and again the guy who almost got killed by

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Speaker 4: best example of God Said's suicidal empathy. It's like, I

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Speaker 4: Yes, the thing is that these are American boys, Like, yes,

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Speaker 4: We are back on normally where President Trump has still

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Speaker 4: Trump leaves all options on the table always.

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Speaker 5: Is it possible to achieve the objectives President Trump is

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Speaker 5: Do we have any overt or covert forces inside or run?

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Speaker 6: Now, I wouldn't tell you that if we did.

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Speaker 2: Telling the media about it. They won't be telling democrats

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Speaker 4: Look, I get the argument that nobody asks Congress anymore

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Speaker 7: Let's roll that this statement from the administration the president

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Speaker 1: He's good at finding where people were people's partisanship and

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Speaker 1: And I don't mind when our side gets caught either,

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Speaker 3: And it was just a lie. It was just a lie.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that this one will because Democrats are

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Speaker 1: used to everything being so politicized.

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Speaker 4: Yeh.

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Speaker 1: But there was some backlash from a very important person

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Speaker 1: in this process, and that is Jesse Jackson Junior, the

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Speaker 1: son of Jesse Jackson, who had this to say about

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Speaker 1: that service and how it went down.

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Speaker 9: I listened for several hours of three United States presidents

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Speaker 9: who do not know Jesse Jackson. He maintained a tense

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Speaker 9: relationship with the political order, not because the presidents were

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Speaker 9: white or black, but the demands of our message, the

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Speaker 9: demands of speaking for the least of these, those who

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Speaker 9: were disinherited, the damned, the dispossessed, the disrespected, demanded not

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Speaker 9: democratic or Republican solutions, but demanded a consistent, prophetic voice

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Speaker 9: that at no point in time ever sold us out

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Speaker 9: as a people, and it speaks volumes about who the

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Speaker 9: Reverend Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 1: Was.

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Speaker 9: Our message has already been delivered today. I can see

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Speaker 9: it all over my mother's face. Rise, Jesse, Rise, Give

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Speaker 9: Jonathan Jackson an. They're a great round of applause for

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Speaker 9: delivering our family message to the world.

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Speaker 2: Good for him.

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Speaker 4: I don't understand how other funerals have gotten turned into

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Speaker 4: such political rallies, and I find it disturbing, especially when

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Speaker 4: the politicians largely don't know the person that has died.

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Speaker 4: It's so obvious and it's so calculated that I get

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Speaker 4: why he'd be upset and I would be too, Yeah, because.

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Speaker 3: The focus should be on the person. And I get it.

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Speaker 1: Whenever it's a political person, you're going to have a

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Speaker 1: bunch of political figures there who have issues, who have

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Speaker 1: problems avoiding the temptation of making everything political, and.

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Speaker 3: Some of that is within bounds.

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Speaker 1: I just think, of course, the standard is completely differently

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Speaker 1: applied during Charlie Kirk's memorial service, which I thought did

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Speaker 1: a really nice job, did have political figures, but really

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Speaker 1: kept it focused on his faith, his mission and him

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Speaker 1: as opposed to like overwhelmingly doing modern political rhetorical jaunts.

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Speaker 1: It was nonetheless criticized for that, and then you have

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Speaker 1: this stuff. It's very very blatant, and it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but this is for good. It is for good, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Charlie kirkstuff, that's for inchy stuff. But this is for

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Speaker 1: good stuff. And that's really the standard, and that shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be the standard when you're honoring someone who has passed away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. It's actually very reminiscent of our first topic and

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Speaker 4: the way that the media massages the news to make

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Speaker 4: the left look better than they are, and you know,

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Speaker 4: frequently does the exact opposite to the right, and we're

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Speaker 4: supposed to just take it. Good for Jesse Jackson Junior

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Speaker 4: for saying something about it. It's actually quite brave, because

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Speaker 4: if the family does have any political ambitions, it is

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Speaker 4: still Obama running the show over there. And taking kind

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Speaker 4: of that direct hit and saying that Jesse Jackson had

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Speaker 4: problems with the political establishment.

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Speaker 2: That could only mean Obama. Who else on.

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Speaker 4: That squad is the political establishment? At this point, it

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Speaker 4: was braver than it seemed. Yeah, all right, well, thank

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Speaker 4: you so much for listening to normally. Normally airs Tuesdays

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