1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: In the case of a young dentist and his young 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: wife murdered in their own home with their two little 4 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: children in the home to find mommy and daddy dead. 5 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: Could they have even witnessed the murders? As of tonight, 6 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: a murder suicide has been ruled out. And I can 7 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 2: tell you why. It's not unusual angles of the bullets 8 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: or their trajectory path. It's not that sophisticated because there's 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 2: no weapon. The weapon's gone. They're both shot dead, one 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: of them multiple times, possibly both, but there's no weapon 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: there on the scene, so obviously somebody else did it. 12 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: And tonight, a starter marriage, what does that have to 13 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: do with a double homicide? A starter marriage is right, 14 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: it's your first try. It's brief, it happened a long 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: time ago. It doesn't really count. That's what you call 16 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: a starter marriage. So how does that factor into a 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 2: double murder? I mean, it's he Grace, this is Crime Stories, 18 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: and I want to thank you for being with us. 19 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 3: There's a body our friend wasn't in transphone. We just 20 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 3: did a well a ship. We just get here. Anytime 21 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: he appears. 22 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 2: The dentist and his wife gun down children upstairs. 23 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:29,479 Speaker 3: Oh, there's a body of this body. 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 4: Here's a body inside. 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 26 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: If only I could have reached through this camera and 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: get my hands a little finger necklace for the dispatch 28 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: officer that was taking these calls. Why am I angry? 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 2: You'll see listen. 30 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 5: I guess I would like to ask for a wellness 31 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 5: check on an individual at their home. This individual, Spener, 32 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 5: works with me, and he did not show up to 33 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 5: work this morning, and we cannot get a hold of 34 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 5: him or his family. He is always on time when 35 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 5: he would contact us that there is any issues whatsoever, 36 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 5: and at the center a house to say this like, 37 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 5: we're very, very concerned because this is very out of character. 38 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 5: And we can't get in Dutch with his wife, which 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 5: is probably the more concerning thing. 40 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 6: When doctor Spencer Tempe doesn't show up for work at 41 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 6: Athens Dental Depot in Columbus, Ohio, coworkers are so shocked 42 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 6: they call their boss, the owner of Athens d doctor 43 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 6: Mark Valrose. Valrose is on vacation in Florida, but Spencer 44 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 6: not showing up is so unusual coworkers felt the need 45 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 6: to let Valrose know. Valroz tries to contact Spencer and 46 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 6: failing at that, Teppi's wife Monique, as she's even more 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 6: predictable than her husband. Unable to reach either, Teppe, Valrose 48 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 6: calls nine to one one in Columbus, Ohio at nine 49 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 6: oh three am, requesting a wellness check. 50 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: Okay, Susan Hendrix joining me before I go to the 51 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 2: whole panel, investigative reporter and author of Down the Hill, 52 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi, which is 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: the definitive book on the Delphi Double Mine of Abby 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 2: and Libby, Susan. But you didn't hear in that snippet 55 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: of the nine one one call that I just played. 56 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: You've got the coworker going, this is really bizarre for 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: him not to be here. The dispatcher says, and I quote, Okay, 58 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: we'll send somebody over as soon as we have an 59 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: officer available. It's Columbus, Ohio. They don't have police that 60 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 2: can come over. 61 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: Translation. 62 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: Ah, he doesn't answer the phone. We're not worried. We'll 63 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: get to you when we get to you. That's where 64 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 2: it starts with this woman. 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 7: Her job is not to have preconceived notions about what 66 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 7: she believes. 67 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 8: It's to answer the nine to one one calls and 68 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 8: get help there, and it appears she's bothered by it 69 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 8: all downplaying. 70 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 7: What these people friends of Monique and Spencer are saying. 71 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 9: We need help. 72 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 7: Something is wrong. 73 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: And you know Greg Morris joining me veteran try a lawyer, 74 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 2: criminal defense attorney at Morse Legal. He's the founder of that. 75 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: He is the author of Untested on Amazon. Veteran trial 76 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: lawyer Greg. This is the deal. There's something called routine evidence, 77 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: not routine as in typical routine evidence. It's evidence of 78 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: someone's routine. For instance, if I go to Greg Morse 79 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: and I look and instead of seeing you, I see 80 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: an empty chair, I know something's very wrong. That's not 81 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 2: your routine. You're always there and prepared, usually with a 82 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: snarky comment, but you're prepared, so that would be highly unusual, 83 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 2: and I would immediately try to find out what's wrong 84 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: with Morse. See what I mean. It's your routine from 85 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: which you do not deviate. But this nine one one 86 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: is like, yeah, I'll send somebody. When I got somebody, well. 87 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,559 Speaker 10: It's it's because it came in as a wellness check, 88 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 10: not as a nine to one one. There's an emergency 89 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 10: right now, So That's probably why the non when one 90 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 10: operator you know, puts it in the queue for police 91 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 10: to get out there, and they may have been dealing 92 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 10: with some other emergencies. That's the unfortunate nature of the 93 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 10: way the call came in. It came in as a 94 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 10: wellness check. A lot of times wellness checks turn out fine, 95 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 10: so they probably didn't put a high priority on it 96 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 10: at the time, and that's because of the way the 97 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 10: call came in. So I don't know if it's nine 98 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 10: one one's fault there as much as it is that 99 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 10: the nature of the type of call that came in. 100 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 11: So you know, everybody wants to you're right. 101 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: Right now, enjoy this moment. Favorite. I'm saying you're right 102 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: based on that call alone, But it escalates, And maybe 103 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 2: that's why I'm so angry, because I know what's in 104 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 2: the content of the rest of the nine one one calls. 105 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: And you might want to hold with withhold judgment morse, 106 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 2: because I can see a savvy defense attorney using the 107 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 2: nine to one one dispatches bad attitude and lack of 108 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 2: urgent see as part of a defense. But hold on, 109 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 2: I want you to hear more of the nine one 110 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: one call hey, Ron Bateman joining me, former homicide and 111 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 2: undercover narc former sheriff, author of a new book, Opposing Sides, 112 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: Memoirs of a Drug Dealer and a Detective, Ron Bateman, 113 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. Ron. It's got to 114 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 2: drive you crazy when you hear a disinterested nine one 115 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: one dispatch, because the time that they waste on a 116 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 2: case could be the difference in life and death. 117 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 12: True, and mister Morris does have a good point. It 118 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 12: is a wellness check which we get hundreds of a day, 119 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 12: and ninety nine point nine percent of them turn out 120 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,840 Speaker 12: to be nothing whatsoever. So this is and the empathy 121 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 12: or the lack of empathy in her voice is a 122 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 12: it's I know it's troubling to the average person, but 123 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 12: you got to understand what they deal with every single day, 124 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 12: and getting a wellness check call is much, uh less 125 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 12: dramatic than the other calls that they deal with NonStop. 126 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 12: You know, someone being beaten, someone you know just got, 127 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 12: you know, in a terrible car accident, they're pinned in 128 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 12: a car. A wellness check that's put across like that. 129 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 12: The way the way the caller did is very matter 130 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 12: of fact. So I understand why you could get upset 131 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 12: because you know the outcome. However, it's you know, it's 132 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 12: the outcome is not known by the dispatcher or the 133 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 12: call taker at that point, so. 134 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 11: It is in Q. 135 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 12: My question would be how long did it take for 136 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 12: the response? If the response was two or three minutes, 137 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 12: then that's normal in a in a non emergency call. So, uh, 138 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 12: mister Morris is pretty pretty much right on the mark. 139 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 4: Let's be emergency there. Our our boss did not report 140 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 4: to work. We hadn't been able to get. 141 00:07:59,080 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: Ahold of him for three hour. 142 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 3: We are on site and we can hear. 143 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: Okay, I wanted somebody there. Okay, I'm just making sure 144 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 4: somebody calls. 145 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 13: The officers arrive at the Tepee residence at nine twenty 146 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 13: two am. Officers knock on the front door multiple times 147 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 13: but get no response. Checking the door and windows, officers 148 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 13: see no sign of disturbance. At the back door, officers 149 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 13: again knock multiple times, no response, repeating the process. Officers 150 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 13: failed to get a response and file the report in 151 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 13: their log book. No response. 152 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: Okay, there's so many places got right there, Isn't it true? Say? 153 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: Isn't Henrick said they first went to the wrong address. 154 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 7: Yes, and I watched the body cam footage and I 155 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 7: mean he was thorough. He was just at the wrong address. 156 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 7: It was a mistake, a big mistake. 157 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 8: I mean, it's just compounding as we listened to this 158 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 8: and watch it unfold. 159 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: Listen to nine one one, one more time. Listen to 160 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: this tiny sniffet. 161 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 4: Let's see Amergincy there. Our boss did not report for work. 162 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 4: We haven't been able to get a hold of him 163 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 4: for three hours. 164 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: We are on site and we can hear. 165 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 4: Okay, I's just somebody there. Okay, I'm just making sure 166 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: somebody call them. 167 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: I mean, really, I just talked to somebody there, Like, 168 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: stop bothering me. My nails are drying. Just got Morgan 169 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: joining me. Professor forensic Jacksonville State University. He is the 170 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He is 171 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 2: the star of a hit podcast series, Body Bags with 172 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan. But most important, he is a death 173 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: investigator with over ten thousand death scene evaluations under his belt. 174 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 2: Of all the possibilities, you've got natural causes, you've got suicide, 175 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: you have got accident, you've got unexplained and of course 176 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 2: you have homicide. And that's his job ten thousand times 177 00:09:54,760 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 2: plus determining cod cause of death. You know what, when 178 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 2: somebody's shot dead and they're bleeding out, one minute can 179 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,319 Speaker 2: make a difference in life and death. Joke's god, Why. 180 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 14: Yeah, because you don't know if the person is in 181 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 14: fact salvage at that point in time. That's one of 182 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 14: the big things about this, Nancy, is that there are 183 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 14: a lot of unknowns involved in this. The one thing 184 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 14: I know is that this individual that's taken the call 185 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 14: is irritated by this. Because I'm not interested in your 186 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 14: personal problems about how you just took a call from there. 187 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 11: I could care less. 188 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 14: The appropriate response is, it's duly noted, we've got officers 189 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 14: en route. Okay, beyond that, there has to be an 190 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 14: urgency here to go back out and inspect this area. 191 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 14: You've got people swarming over this house, and as we 192 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 14: find out, of course, you've apparently got children in the 193 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 14: house as well, which is a major problem here. And 194 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 14: so this urgency or lacked thereof, in hindsight, it should. 195 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 14: You should treat this every single time I'm out of 196 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 14: the gate as if you know, this is the most 197 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 14: important thing on your plate, as opposed to well I'm 198 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 14: taking other calls from there. 199 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall. How many times have we heard guys? 200 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall right now, psycho analyst joining us out 201 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: of LA She's the author of deal Breaker. You can 202 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 2: see her now on Peacock and you can find her 203 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 2: at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, how many 204 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 2: times have we heard someone call nine one one somebody's missing, 205 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: they can't be found, and it's treated like, oh, they're 206 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: off with their boyfriend or girlfriend, or he just needed 207 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: a break from the little woman, or he's tired of 208 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: hearing his kids scream and they just discount it. The 209 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 2: guy's lying there, bleeding out dead. That's what we know now. 210 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 2: That's the backdrop to all of her indifference, Nancy. 211 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 9: The assumption should be made that if somebody is worried 212 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 9: enough to call, if they're stressed on the phone, that 213 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 9: likely something is going on. They don't the dispatcher doesn't 214 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 9: know what it is yet, but they must presume the worst. 215 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 9: I have made several welfare checks throughout the years on 216 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 9: patients of mine, and those welfare officers they in one 217 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 9: case broke down the door and saved the patient's life. Okay, 218 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 9: so these calls have to be made seriously, Nancy. The 219 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 9: calls are stacking up. It's one person after another after another. 220 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 9: So I would think when multiple calls are coming in, 221 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 9: you even then begin to take it more seriously. And 222 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 9: especially since Okay, so he hasn't shown up to work, 223 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 9: three hours have passed. He's their boss. They're worried. The 224 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 9: fact that they are worried after three hours means that 225 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 9: they know him and that they know something is seriously wrong. 226 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 9: Like in my field, we always say, listen to the patient, 227 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 9: take them seriously, track with what they're saying. This is 228 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 9: what the dispatcher should have done. 229 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 6: A coworker of Spencer goes to the Teppi residence and 230 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 6: calls nine to one one, explaining Tepi is her boss 231 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 6: and they haven't been able to get a hold of him. 232 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 6: The caller tries to tell dispatch they can hear kids inside, 233 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 6: but the dispatcher talks over the caller, telling her, I 234 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 6: just talked to somebody there. The distract coworker apologizes, saying 235 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 6: she was just making sure someone called. 236 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: Okay, we do have officers responding there. Do you know 237 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 4: if he's been ill or anything like that. 238 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: No, No, I was just okay. So again she's saying, hey, 239 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: there on the way, maybe he's got the flu. Has 240 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 2: he been ill? Okay, keep listening. 241 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 4: Let's the emergency there. Please are medical. 242 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: Maybe both. I guess, I don't know. I'm kind of 243 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 3: doing the worry. 244 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 4: We had a call out there. They knocked on the 245 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 4: front door and back door her multiple times and there 246 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 4: was no answer. 247 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 8: Yeah, no answer. 248 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 4: I can hear kids inside, and I say, I think 249 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 4: I heard one yell, but we can't get it. 250 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 15: One of Spencer's friends goes to the Teppie home and 251 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 15: calls nine one one at nine fifty seven am. Dispatch 252 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 15: tells the friend officers have already been to the location 253 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 15: and knocked on doors and got no answer. The friend says, yeah, 254 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 15: no answer. I can hear kids inside, and I think 255 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 15: I heard one yell. 256 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: Still disbelieving, and it gets worse. 257 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 4: What's changed since the last person I talked to? 258 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 3: There's a body, there's a body. 259 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 4: Here's a body inside. Yeah, okay, hold on one second, 260 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 4: let me get you on the line with the medic. Okay, 261 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 4: sail on the line. 262 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 3: Appear's dead there. 263 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 2: You hear the dispatch say what's new, what's changed since 264 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: the last person I talked to? And the friend says 265 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 2: there's a body inside, and the friend is crying, and 266 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: now I'm and says there's a body and the friends 267 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: crying says yeah, and the nine only one Amy is 268 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: like by and hooks him over to a medic. Did 269 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 2: you hear that, Joe Scott clad? 270 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 11: I did. 271 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 14: And look, there's this modern term that folks like to 272 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 14: use all the time, kind of flip it term. They say, 273 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 14: bad optics. Dude, this is the worst of optics here. 274 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 14: If this is kind of service you're going to get, 275 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 14: and at these critical times, all these friends that are 276 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 14: showing up out there, and it's further accentuated by the 277 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 14: child crying in the background as well. So yeah, and 278 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 14: then the horror that's revealed once they finally entered into 279 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 14: this environment there. You know, it's a total unknown. And 280 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 14: this just goes to show you how every case, every 281 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 14: single time, you need to treat it this way, and 282 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 14: you need to hold it, you need to hold it 283 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 14: almost like a sacred thing, because you don't know what's 284 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 14: going on with us kids in there. You don't know 285 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 14: what has occurred inside of that environment, what we do 286 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 14: know is that the people that are at out there 287 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 14: have intimate knowledge of this couple. They even talk about 288 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 14: how they understand if the wife doesn't respond. That's how 289 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 14: tuned in they are to this whole situation. And granted 290 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 14: the dispatcher doesn't necessarily know that, but you should not 291 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 14: be treated as if you're on an assembly line, particularly 292 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 14: in light of what's further revealed. 293 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: Nancy Susan Hendricks joining US investigative journalists and author. Susan, 294 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: isn't it true that the friends slash coworkers. They're all 295 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 2: a very tight group where he has his dentist practice. 296 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 2: They have to go in the home themselves, and they 297 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: have to find the dead bodies. I don't know how 298 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: long they had been dead. I know they were killed 299 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 2: between two and five That's what I believe now two 300 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: and five a m. But can you imagine it? Because 301 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: we believe the husband was shot at least twice with 302 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: a nine Can you imagine the damage done to his body? 303 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 2: The wife shot once we believe same weapon. Find that 304 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: and the children are there. They had to break in. 305 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: They had to get into the home themselves instead of 306 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: police doing it. 307 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 8: And as I re listened, to it. What a great 308 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 8: group of friends. They're not impatient saying. 309 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 7: Where the heck are you? We've been calling. 310 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,479 Speaker 8: No, they take matters into their own hands. And you 311 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 8: could almost sense that he's saying something in code to 312 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 8: the dispatcher meaning no, it's a body, meaning it's the 313 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,719 Speaker 8: young girl nearby, the four year old. Because he's not 314 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,960 Speaker 8: saying Spencer, he's not saying Monique. Maybe she would think 315 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 8: mommy and daddy. It was just I mean, the friends 316 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 8: so close knit, and you could tell just by listening 317 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 8: to those calls. 318 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's something instinctive, especially once you have children. 319 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 2: But when I hear a child crying, it just puts 320 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 2: me on edge. I've got to get to the child. 321 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 2: We got to find out what's happening with the child 322 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: that never goes away. Once you have children and you 323 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: hear a baby crying, I wanted to hear the baby 324 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 2: crying in the background and the friend crying on the phone. 325 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 4: What's changed the last person I talked to, there's a 326 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 4: body's body, here's a body inside. Yeah, okay, hold on 327 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 4: one second, let me get you on the line with 328 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 4: a medic. Okay, Heal Maligne, I just. 329 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: Played you a snippet of that nine one one call 330 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: where the friends finally since the cops don't show up 331 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 2: and dispatches giving them the run around, they break into 332 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 2: the home. They go into the home to discover the 333 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 2: two dead bodies of their dear friend and coworker, their 334 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 2: boss and his wife. I want you to hear the 335 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 2: rest of that call. 336 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 4: What's changed the last person I talked to? Here, there's 337 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: a body, here's a body inside. Yeah, okay, hold on 338 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 4: one second, let me get you on the line with 339 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 4: the medic. Okay. 340 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: Heil Maligne appears dead. There's a body. Our friend wasn't 341 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,480 Speaker 3: can transphone. We just took a well of ship. We 342 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: just can't here in town. He appears dead. 343 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 11: Okay. 344 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 3: A blood she's laying next to his bed, off of 345 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 3: his better than his blood. I think people user going 346 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: too more than that. 347 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,679 Speaker 11: Okay, and hell he's opositly not bringing her. 348 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, like how to like like how to look you know, 349 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 3: because it does he looks great and I can't look. 350 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 5: Okay, all right, I understand, Okay. 351 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: I'm learning something new right there. Ron Bateman joining us 352 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: form a homicide and undercover nart and author of Opposing 353 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 2: Size Ron killed in their beds because it says he's off, 354 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: he's lying next to his bed, off of his bed, 355 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 2: so the purp shoots them in their sleep between two 356 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 2: and five a m. 357 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 12: It's really tragic, and I really feel sorry for the 358 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 12: kids that they're gonna have to deal with this the 359 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 12: rest of their life. At least the four year old 360 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 12: probably will end. The co workers and yeah, the whole 361 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 12: thing is sad. And I got to talk about dispatchers. 362 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 12: The turn of a rate for dispatchers and police departments 363 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 12: is incredibly high because of the numerous hours that they 364 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 12: work because lack of staff, they have to work automatic 365 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,959 Speaker 12: over time. I'm married to a former dispatcher. I've heard it. 366 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 12: I know all about it. I know about the downfalls 367 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 12: of their their empathy that they some of them lack. 368 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: Uh. 369 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 12: Some of them are very it's you know, it's a 370 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 12: it's a job that they treasure and they they speak 371 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 12: to every person like it's their family member. But some 372 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 12: of them are just cold and just relay that I 373 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 12: don't give a crap attitude like this dispatcher did. Competency 374 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 12: is everywhere and definitely UH with the high term of 375 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 12: rate dispatchers. 376 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 11: Is probably. 377 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 378 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: Susan Hi. I'm learning something about the home and about 379 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 2: the murders they were killed. It's the eerie echo of 380 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: the Rob Ryner and Michelle Singer Reiner murders, where prosecutors 381 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: alleged their own son murdered them in their sleep. I disagree. 382 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 2: I think they woke up during it because there's multiple 383 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 2: wounds to them, suggesting to me at least that they 384 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: fought back. That said, here the friend says he's off 385 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: the bed. Is the bedroom downstairs or upstairs? Did the stalk? 386 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 2: Did the killer know where the bedroom was? Did you 387 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,880 Speaker 2: have to sneak around the house? And I say hey, 388 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 2: because statistically, based on this scenario, a guy did it. 389 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 2: Do you know when you look at the homes, do 390 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: we have a photo of the home? It's an up 391 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 2: and down. Do we know if the bedroom is on 392 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: the bottom or the top? 393 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 7: The bedrooms on the third floor. 394 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 8: Nancy and you bring up an excellent point two ways 395 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 8: to look at this home. It was for sale recently, 396 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 8: so it was on. 397 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 7: A website, real little website. Also, it's in their wedding video. 398 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 2: The video you're seeing of the home is from our 399 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: friends at WSYX, ABC six. So you're saying, you said 400 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 2: the first floor or the third floor, assuming there's a 401 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 2: basement first or third? Where is the bedroom third? Because 402 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: looking at it, I only see two floors. Does that 403 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,919 Speaker 2: mean there's a basement? Is that what you're saying. 404 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm assuming you kind of walk down into the 405 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 8: bottom floor. 406 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 7: I looked at this home on the. 407 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 8: Real estate website and I could see exactly where everything was. 408 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, third floor. 409 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: Okay, so up on top, So all the bedrooms are 410 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 2: on top. That tells me something else. You know what 411 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 2: It tells me, Joe Scott Morgan that the baby's room 412 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 2: is right there, likely beside the parents room. If all 413 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 2: the bedrooms are on the top floor, right and they've 414 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: got two children, that tells me they're side by side, 415 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 2: increasing the likelihood that they heard those gunshots, went those 416 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: gunshots and came looking for mommy and daddy. 417 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 14: Yeah. And you know, when you got babies like this, Nancy, 418 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 14: they'd be very young, you know, to keep them separated. 419 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 14: You know, when you're talking about a multi story dwelling, 420 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 14: you would want the kids right down the hallway. Mom's 421 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 14: going to get up in the middle of the night. 422 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,439 Speaker 14: Dad gets up in the middle of the night to 423 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 14: tend to the kids, right, and so yeah, it in 424 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 14: proximity is key here. I think one of the things 425 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 14: I'm very curious about is what initially drew the attention 426 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 14: of the children, because you can hear them in the 427 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 14: nine to eleven call where they are actually crying. It 428 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 14: sounds like was it the fact that someone was going 429 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 14: around banging on the door to try to wake them up, 430 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 14: or did they hear something during the night and maybe 431 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 14: they'd been up all night. Maybe they had actually this 432 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 14: is so horrible, walked into the room where mom and 433 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 14: dad were. I'm sure that the door is easily accessible 434 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 14: for the kids. And here's the more senator thing. And 435 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 14: I think that Susan is right on the money here. 436 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 14: When you think about this, the idea that this structure 437 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 14: is multi storied, somebody has got very intimate knowledge of 438 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 14: the space, Nancy, and can move around in this space. 439 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 14: I think with comfort you begin to think about what's 440 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 14: being potentially perpetrated in here. And they're bumping around the 441 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 14: dark man, say this is somebody that knows this dwelling. 442 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 6: At ten eleven am, police officers are back at the 443 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 6: TEPPI residence. Securing the crime scene, Two adult victims suffering 444 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 6: apparent gunshot wounds are located and medic personnel pronounced Spencer 445 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 6: and Monique Teppe dead minutes after arriving on scene. Three 446 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 6: bullet casings are found, but no gun is immediately located. 447 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 6: The couple has two children, ages four and one, who 448 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 6: are found unharmed. 449 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 2: Spencer and Monique Teppe now dead, their children orphans. Who 450 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 2: did this? 451 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: Blood hugely in the world. Okay, can tell he's obviously 452 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 3: not bringing. 453 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: What does a starter marriage that happened ten years ago 454 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: that was over just like that, have to do with 455 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 2: a double murder. 456 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: First, here's a clue as to who's the killer. 457 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: Take a look at this video that was obtained. This 458 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 2: is a guy, a single male, walking down an alley 459 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: directly behind the victim's home. Now, this alley is hard 460 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 2: to find it that it butts up against the back 461 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 2: of the other street. You're seeing an alley On either 462 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 2: side of this pedestrian are the backs of homes, the 463 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: fronts of the homes, or on two other streets that 464 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 2: run perpendicular. Who's this guy and why is he walking 465 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 2: around between two and five am on an. 466 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: Alley a little known alley that's. 467 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: Only used by people that park in the back of 468 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: their homes and walk in the back door. 469 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 1: Why is he there now? 470 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: If you go to let's just say, for instance, downtown LA, 471 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 2: people are walking around twenty four to seven, three sixty five. 472 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 2: That's not unusual there, it is unusual. Straight out to 473 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: Susan Hendrix joining US investigative journalist. Officers finally show up. 474 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: Both of the tepees are dead. Spencer and Monique. Tell 475 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 2: me about the weapon, the bullets, the casings that were 476 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: found at the scene. 477 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 8: Yeah, Nancy, there were three casings found and from the 478 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,479 Speaker 8: police report, it appeared at Spencer had been shot twice, 479 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 8: Monique once. 480 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 7: So in the beginning I was thinking, Okay, not a 481 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 7: professional hit. 482 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 8: Everything was going on in my mind because there's casings 483 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 8: found at the scene, so maybe that tied. 484 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 7: Maybe police were able to use. 485 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: That or they will be able to In the trot 486 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: very eerie scenario, Greg Morse, somebody coming into your home 487 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 2: skulking around slowly, Brian Coburger, skulking around and knowing to 488 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 2: find you upstairs in bed, just sneaking around, going up 489 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 2: the stairs and finding them. That's creep factor. A jury 490 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: is not going to be able to ignore. 491 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, the creep factor is not going to 492 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 10: play well with a jury at all. You have someone 493 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 10: allegedly for maybe up to three hours, going through these 494 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 10: people's three story home, going in each room, maybe looking 495 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,399 Speaker 10: at the kids, looking at them, and walking around, and 496 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 10: that's gonna obviously if that comes out whoever's in trial, 497 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 10: it's not going to go well for the defendant at all. 498 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 11: It's not a great fact. 499 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 2: Only praying Greg Morse for your worst nightmare to come true, 500 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 2: and there'll be nanny cams in the home home surveillance 501 00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 2: that shows the purp wandering around, looking around. We learned 502 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 2: there are in the three casings. Yeah, you're right, there 503 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: is at least one ring ton. I'm talking about interior home. 504 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 2: Interior home surveillance. We learned there are three bullet casings. 505 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 2: They're from a nine a nine millimeter, and I don't 506 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: know if the killer thought to load the weapon with 507 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 2: gloves on, or did he leave a print or a 508 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 2: partial print on the bullets themselves as he loaded the gun. 509 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: Joining me right now is former military sharp shooter CoA 510 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: Lauri Moore CoA. 511 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 11: What about it? 512 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 16: Well, Nancy, this right here is a nine millimeters round. 513 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 16: The top part is the bullet and the back part 514 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 16: is the casing. Now you can get DNA off this 515 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 16: casing by fingerprints and sweat and whatever else they have 516 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 16: on their hands when loading the weapon. So this is 517 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 16: how you load magazine right here. And also there are 518 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 16: certain marks that are left on the casing after the 519 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 16: round is fired. Now this is the pistol, a pistol 520 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 16: that this round can be fired from. The bulks at 521 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 16: the front and the casing is ejected out of the side. Now, 522 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 16: the firing pin leaves a mark on the back of 523 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 16: the casing which is unique to the weapon. Then the 524 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 16: extractor leaves scratches on the casing which is also unique 525 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 16: to the weapon, and the ejector leaves dense on the casing. Now, 526 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 16: all these marks can be traced straight back to the 527 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 16: weapon it's fired from, and that could link the suspect 528 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 16: to the gun. Can also link the suspect to the 529 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 16: casing based on the fingerprints they get off the casing itself. 530 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: Right, I get it. 531 00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 2: I see CoA how those prints can be left. I 532 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: want to look at that video again, the video of 533 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: who we believe to be the pert walking down that 534 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 2: private alley behind the home. Check it out, Saysen Hendricks. 535 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: Is it giving you a chill? Because he's walking along 536 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: just like Richard Allen did on that trestle bridge in Delphi. 537 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 2: Hands in pockets so you can't see the color of 538 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 2: his skin or any identifying marks or rings on his hands, 539 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 2: hunched forward, head down, covering his face with a hoodie. 540 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's exactly what I thought of, Nancy. 541 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 8: As soon as I saw that, I went back to 542 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 8: Richard Allen and what the authorities were saying, does anyone 543 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 8: know this person's walk, this person's gate And now that 544 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 8: we talk about the bullets, that also brings you back 545 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 8: to Delphi with descriations while that play in. But yeah, 546 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 8: the walk, the head down, I feel like that person 547 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 8: didn't want to be seen or caught. 548 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 6: Investigators get all available surveillance video from the teppy neighborhood, 549 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 6: focusing on the time between two am and five am, 550 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 6: and really video of one person walking in the alley 551 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 6: behind the Teppee home. One car with an Illinois license 552 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 6: plate arrives in the neighborhood shortly before the Teppie murders 553 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 6: take place and leaves shortly thereafter, the license plate on 554 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 6: the vehicle is registered to Michael McKee, a vascular surgeon 555 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 6: in Chicago. McKee is also Monique Teppi's ex husband. 556 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: Dave mac joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter. You can't 557 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 2: see his face unless they get his face on video. 558 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 2: They've got to rely on the car. Tell me, do 559 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:39,360 Speaker 2: you think that they track that loan pedestrian on a 560 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: private alleyway behind the victim's home. You think they traced 561 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: him on cam from one ring cam to the next, 562 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 2: to a surveillance cam to a stop like cam, and 563 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 2: so forth and so on till he gets to a car. 564 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 2: Then they get the car tag. What do you think, 565 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 2: Dave Mac, I. 566 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 4: Think that's exactly what they did. 567 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 17: Now see, and once they were able to get that 568 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 17: license tag and find out the car is registered in Illinois, 569 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 17: they actually police track the car back to where it 570 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 17: is located and they actually find it in Rockford, Illinois. 571 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: Rockford, Illinois, they find the vehicle and isn't it true, Susan? 572 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 2: They say there's evidence in the vehicle that shows he McKee, 573 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: the x the starter husband, had been in the vehicle 574 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 2: leading up to the time of the shootings. 575 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 7: Exactly, and I'm wondering what that exactly is. 576 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 8: But they seem pretty confident obviously that they connected him 577 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 8: to the murders, to the double murder. 578 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: Or at least to the car because Greg Morris, unless 579 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: they get. 580 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 2: His face, you know what he's going to say, Oh yeah, 581 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 2: somebody stole my car day before yesterday. I wasn't even 582 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 2: driving that car unless they've got his face in that 583 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: car or on that video, and they're going to do 584 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: a lot more investigation. 585 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 11: Well, that's right. 586 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 10: They're going to need to connect with actual evidence if it, 587 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 10: you know, to go to trial and proof beyond a 588 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 10: reasonable doubt. Although you know, the cameras are everywhere so 589 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 10: all over this country, and it seems like that's what 590 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 10: they did. 591 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 11: They may just follow from Illinois. 592 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 2: He's getting in the car. 593 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 10: And going he's covering his face here. But you know, people, 594 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 10: it's just like the ring camera on the house. It 595 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 10: appears there's only one in the front, not in the back. 596 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 10: People only do certain things and they think, okay, I 597 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 10: covered all bases. But if he's driving this person, the 598 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 10: ex husband, from Illinois to Ohio, there's a lot of 599 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 10: places he's going. 600 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 11: To be along the way. Getting out of that car, 601 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 11: similar to the Utah. 602 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 10: Story that you did a couple months ago where they 603 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 10: followed the car of the lady with her daughter to 604 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 10: the endpoint. 605 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 11: And this seems to be the case here. 606 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 10: And I'd also like to know if anyone went past 607 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 10: the front of the house because what would have gone off. 608 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 10: Ring cameras have a lot of information on them behind 609 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 10: the video as well, So there's a lot of leads 610 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 10: the police can put together, but they need to get 611 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 10: evidence to link it to him. 612 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 11: Fingerprint, DNA, face shots, getting in the car, things of 613 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 11: that nature. 614 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 10: So this is just one piece of information that's generic 615 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 10: that they now have to link to an individual person, 616 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 10: and it seems like it's this ex husband, which also Nancy, 617 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 10: there's an important part for prosecution here is there's no 618 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 10: justification for this man to be in the area if 619 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 10: it's the ex husband. My understanding is the two children 620 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 10: are the deceased, not one of the children or not his, 621 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 10: so he has no reason to be around his ex wife, 622 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 10: no legitimate reason whatsoever. And that's another factor that will 623 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,479 Speaker 10: go against this person if he, you know, this state 624 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 10: does continue to prosecute him. 625 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 2: You know, it could be something as simple as got 626 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 2: to eight. What if they find one McDonald's receipt on 627 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: the floor five hours before and he used his credit card. 628 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 2: What if or he could pull a Jody Areas she 629 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: crossed the desert with gas tanks in her trunk so 630 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 2: she wouldn't have to go into in seven to eleven. So, 631 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: Ron Bateman, it may not be as sophisticated as fingerprints, 632 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 2: because fingerprints could have been from a week ago, a 633 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 2: year ago. Got to be something more recent connecting him 634 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,880 Speaker 2: to being in that car up to the time of 635 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 2: the murders. 636 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 12: Yeah, I tell you what I would do is I 637 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 12: would double back and go to where he lives and 638 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,239 Speaker 12: check not only his ring camera, which he probably has one. 639 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:39,359 Speaker 12: He's a you know, established businessman, doctor, and his entire 640 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 12: neighborhood and try to put that person that was in 641 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 12: the alley coming out of his front door, passing by 642 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,360 Speaker 12: his next door neighbor, getting into his car, et cetera. 643 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 12: And you know, I've talked about just a million times 644 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 12: on your show about the transference of evidence principle. Every 645 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 12: time you go somewhere, you take something with you from 646 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 12: the scene, and you leave something there, DNA, hair, blood, spit, 647 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 12: gravel from that that road that he's walking on. There's 648 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 12: so many things, Prince, like we talked about earlier, There's 649 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 12: so many things his car that maybe the later search 650 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 12: of his car maybe had that that black hoodie inside 651 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 12: of it, his black tennis shoes. You know what he's 652 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 12: wearing is uh, you know it's pretty. You got jeans, 653 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 12: you got black and what. 654 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 2: He's wearing may very well have blood spatter on it 655 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 2: as well. I'm gonna circle back to Joe. 656 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 13: Scott on that. 657 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, but. 658 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 2: To Dr Bethany Marshall. Let's get right down to it. Okay, 659 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,719 Speaker 2: another thing, two words. Ohio Turnpike. He drove, if it 660 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 2: is him, three hundred miles to get there. He left 661 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 2: a trail. It could be he had a cell phone on. 662 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 2: It could be the nav system, it could be the 663 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,360 Speaker 2: McDonald's receipt. There's gonna be a trail. It could be 664 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 2: a licensed tag grab grabber on the side of the 665 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,959 Speaker 2: inner date of the Ohio Turnpike. He left a trail 666 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 2: like a snail. Trust me on this. He may think 667 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 2: it's invisible like the smell does, but we can see it. 668 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 2: Dtor Bethany, I've looked into this starter marriage and this 669 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 2: starter husband, and it ain't pretty. They were married just 670 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 2: seven months. 671 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: She filed divorced. 672 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 2: She even paid for a private judge to expedite it. 673 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 2: It wasn't because she left because she was having an affair. 674 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,400 Speaker 2: She didn't marry till sometimes later. She didn't meet the 675 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:37,320 Speaker 2: husband till sometime later. Incompatible. Okay, you're sitting down, doctor Bethany, 676 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 2: I hope you are, because when they got divorced after 677 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:45,759 Speaker 2: just seven months, she instigated it. He says that her 678 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:51,680 Speaker 2: engagement and wedding rings are his, and he wants twenty 679 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 2: five hundred for the engagement ring and thirty five hundred 680 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 2: for the wedding ring. 681 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 1: Hey, big spender. 682 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 2: That plus wait for it, he wants, I mean, put 683 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 2: it on a credit card. Go crazy, you know, break 684 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 2: to your grand get crazy. You're a vascular surgeon. He 685 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,319 Speaker 2: makes like between five hundred and a million a year, 686 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 2: but he wants those rings back or the money back. 687 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 2: And it says in the docs she owed him about 688 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 2: she owed twelve hundred dollars in miscellaneous debt and he 689 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 2: wanted her to pay twenty three percent interest on the 690 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,760 Speaker 2: twelve hundred dollars. You know Nancy. 691 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 9: Obviously I don't know this guy. But one of the 692 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 9: things about personality I know enough, and about abusers is 693 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 9: that they always feel owed. You owe me this, you 694 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 9: owe me that, And that kind of attitude could have 695 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 9: given rise to stocking behavior. I still want to get 696 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 9: my pound of flesh from you, Nancy. That household had 697 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 9: a family dog. 698 00:38:58,120 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 2: Did you know that? 699 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 9: So this has the shades of Brian Koberger, who befriended 700 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 9: the dog over a period of months so he could 701 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 9: gain access to the house. I don't know if that 702 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,960 Speaker 9: dog barked. I just wanted to put that out there. 703 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 9: But if we go back to the starter marriage, she 704 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 9: paid a judge to expedite the marriage. Here in the 705 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 9: state of California, once you file it takes six months 706 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,400 Speaker 9: for the dissolution. She went to a private judge and 707 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 9: paid to wrap it up in six weeks. She wanted 708 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 9: to get the hell out of Dodge. 709 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,240 Speaker 2: Okay. 710 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,280 Speaker 9: The fact that then she remarried, found a great partner. 711 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,800 Speaker 9: We see all those beautiful pictures. I'm kind of wondering 712 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 9: what he saw of the new marriage. Was he stalking her, 713 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,360 Speaker 9: was he following her? Did he see a picture in 714 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 9: the paper? Did he see the beautiful wedding video on 715 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 9: YouTube and it did it incite him to want to 716 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:54,520 Speaker 9: punish her? 717 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, Susan HENDRICKX told me Dr Bethany that the wedding 718 00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 2: was in the home so he could see the home, 719 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 2: see where they were living. I bet that threw him 720 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 2: over the edge. Listen to this, Listen to this. This 721 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 2: actually got me very upset. These are part of her 722 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 2: vows that she stated at the wedding. I had quite 723 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 2: a journey to get to you, countless bad bumble dates, 724 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:28,720 Speaker 2: wrong relationships and waterfalls of tears. And she finally found 725 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 2: mister Wright, not mister right now, but mister Wright. And 726 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,919 Speaker 2: they had a family, two beautiful children, and now it's 727 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 2: all gone. The children are orphans. They probably will remember 728 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 2: the murders of their parents. And for what Bethany a 729 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 2: starter marriage that happened ten years before. She's been married 730 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 2: to her murder victim husband five years, so it's not 731 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 2: like she left the ex for another man that didn't happen. 732 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 2: She just left him because he's him ten years ago, 733 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,279 Speaker 2: and now well to murder them both. 734 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 9: You know, Nancy, if you think of him charging the 735 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,400 Speaker 9: twenty three percent interest on the ring. He wants to 736 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 9: get her to pay. You're gonna pay for leaving me. 737 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,239 Speaker 9: I'm gonna get my pound of flesh from you. And 738 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 9: people like this, they kind of have an oceanic rage. 739 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 9: It kind of goes on and on and on. 740 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:33,320 Speaker 7: You know. 741 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,880 Speaker 9: Stalkers they time doesn't matter to them. They could do 742 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 9: it for twenty years, thirty years, forty years. And stalkers 743 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 9: believe that they have a special and unique relationship with 744 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 9: the victim, even if that victim hasn't talked to them 745 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 9: in a decade. So seeing her happy, seeing the YouTube 746 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 9: videos must have enraged him and thrown him into a 747 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:02,920 Speaker 9: state of you're rejecting me, your humilis, you're diminishing me. 748 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 9: I'm going to have to wipe you out because I 749 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 9: cannot tolerate that feeling in myself. You know one other thing, Nancy, 750 00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,760 Speaker 9: whenever you flash the image of Michael McKee, the cardiovascular surgeon, 751 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000 Speaker 9: I noticed that it says that he has been in 752 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 9: practice for twelve years, but he's accepting new patients. And 753 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 9: I don't know about you here. It takes months to 754 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,000 Speaker 9: get in to see a great doctor like that. That 755 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:30,480 Speaker 9: also tells me something might be going wrong in his 756 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 9: life and in his practice. That just seemed like a 757 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 9: little clue that that stood out to me. 758 00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't notice that, Doctor Bethany Joe Scott Morgan 759 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 2: and Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University. I know you probably 760 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 2: teach at least one entire class on this, probably more, 761 00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 2: But boil it down for me. How close did he 762 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 2: have to be to the bodies to get blood spatter 763 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:01,560 Speaker 2: on that hoodie? 764 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 14: He would have to be probably within about eighteen to 765 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 14: thirty inches, dependent upon the dynamics of the round. Where 766 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 14: when you begin to think about where the muzzle or 767 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,720 Speaker 14: the end of the barrel is in relation to the victims, 768 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 14: this is going to be a high velocity event. And 769 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 14: what I mean by that is that when you have 770 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 14: blood deposition, it's going to come out in these very 771 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,480 Speaker 14: fine droplets. And the higher the speed, the tinier the droplets. 772 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,720 Speaker 14: And listen, if he thinks that perhaps with this hoodie 773 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 14: that he's wearing, he might look at it. And this 774 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 14: happens all the time, Nancy. He might look at the 775 00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 14: hoodie and he won't see anything. But if we get 776 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 14: that hoodie, or the colleagues and the prom lab get 777 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 14: that hoodie and they begin to explore this thing, they'll 778 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 14: find those little tiny dots that are actually a derivative 779 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 14: of high velocity blood deposition. And they can be all 780 00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 14: over the place. You can even find them in logos, 781 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,680 Speaker 14: for instance, where they're kind of guarded or hidden that 782 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,399 Speaker 14: sort of thing. You can find them there. And that's 783 00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,840 Speaker 14: gonna tell That'll be the tale of the tape because 784 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 14: once that blood is typed and then further you can 785 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 14: actually run DNA on it, that that's gonna be very 786 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,319 Speaker 14: damning evidence. And if I could insert one more thing 787 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 14: here that reminds me of the Idaho Ford Nancy, do 788 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 14: you remember that video that those kids shot inside of 789 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,279 Speaker 14: that house that TikTok that they did. It made my 790 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 14: skin crawl when I began to think that that perpetrator 791 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 14: in that case could be watching the interior of this house. 792 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 14: I think a lot of evidence, not just the physical 793 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,319 Speaker 14: evidence that he that may have been transferred to him 794 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 14: or him back to the scene. There's gonna be damning 795 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 14: evidence in his social media because he's gazing from afar, 796 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,320 Speaker 14: who's he's searching out. They start to look at Facebook 797 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 14: or any other social media platform that he's engaged with. 798 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 14: That's gonna be a big tail there. You know, you 799 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 14: can sit around his house and his dirty underwear and 800 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 14: look at these people and fantasize about it, and may 801 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 14: have been doing it for years and years, who knows. 802 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 14: We're talking about a ten year span, Nancy, And he's 803 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 14: creating this fantasy all the while he gets to get 804 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 14: an insight of this new home that they're occupying. 805 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 2: There, Scott the defendant ex husband's starter husband McKee sitting 806 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,759 Speaker 2: at home alone in his dirty underwear for the last 807 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,760 Speaker 2: ten years, obsessing on the nique. That's doctor Bethany's billiwick. 808 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,880 Speaker 2: I'll leave that to her. Susan Hendricks investigative reporter quickly 809 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,200 Speaker 2: upgraded charges extradition. 810 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 7: Exactly two counts of. 811 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 8: Aggravated Sorry about that, aggravated murder with premeditation? Would you 812 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,279 Speaker 8: know that he drove close to five hours? So is 813 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,520 Speaker 8: that the premeditation of talking about? But this morning the charges. 814 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 7: Weren't graded. 815 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 2: And he is in the middle of being extradited back home, 816 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 2: the home the jurisdiction of the shootings. If you know 817 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 2: or think you know anything about this case, please call 818 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 2: Columbus PD six one four six, four five two two 819 00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 2: two eight repeat six one four, six, four five two 820 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:19,240 Speaker 2: two two eight. We remember American Hero Officer James Jackson, 821 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,000 Speaker 2: Florida Department Corrections, killed in the line of duty, leaving 822 00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:32,040 Speaker 2: behind a devastated family. American Hero Officer James Jackson. Nancy 823 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 2: Gray signing off goodbye friend.