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Speaker 1: Right, guys, So we have a lot of big updates

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Speaker 1: for you with regards to Israel. Let's put this first

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Speaker 1: extraordinary development up on the screen. So, Egypt now joining

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Speaker 1: South Africa's case at the ICJ, which alleges that Israel

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Speaker 1: is committing genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip. Senior

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Speaker 1: Israeli officials are describing this, I would say, probably accurately

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Speaker 1: as a new low in relations between countries, certainly in

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Speaker 1: recent history post peace agreement. Egypt's announcement, they say, is

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Speaker 1: not expected to have a material effect on the ICJ's

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Speaker 1: legal process, but reflects a new low. Israeli sources fear

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Speaker 1: the ICJ may issue new orders against Israel as the

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Speaker 1: operation in Rafa as having a major impact on access

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Speaker 1: to humanitarian aid. Reportings suggests that Egypt's really quite extraordinary

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Speaker 1: decision to join South Africa in their case at the ICJ,

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Speaker 1: has everything to do with the Israeli assault on Rafa,

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Speaker 1: in the fact that they have already invaded and taken

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Speaker 1: control of the Rafa crossing on the Palestinian side. We've

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Speaker 1: been reporting for months how Egypt has been raising red

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Speaker 1: flag after red flag against about that potential incursion into Rafa,

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Speaker 1: talking about what a provocation that would be, what a

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Speaker 1: problem it would be for Egypt, And so in their

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Speaker 1: letter where they signaled they were joining on with the ICJ,

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Speaker 1: they said in that statement that the move comes quote

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Speaker 1: in view of aggravating intensity and scale of Israeli attacks

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Speaker 1: against civilians Agaza and the quote continued perpetration of systematic

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Speaker 1: practices against Palestinians, including direct targeting of civilians in destruction

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Speaker 1: of infrastructure. Egypt also called the Rafa operation a flagrant

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Speaker 1: violation of international law and called on Israel to commit

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Speaker 1: to the principles of international law as an occupying power.

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Speaker 1: In addition, South Africa just on Friday submitted a request

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Speaker 1: the ICJ to issue new emergency orders against Israel due

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Speaker 1: to the operation in Rafa. So you've got two things.

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Speaker 1: You've got South Africa coming back to the ICJ and

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Speaker 1: saying you've got to issue new injunctions.

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Speaker 4: You'll recality.

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Speaker 1: First injunctions did not go so far as demanding a ceasefire,

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Speaker 1: So they're really pushing the envelope, pushing directly for that

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Speaker 1: that call for a ceasefire from the ICJ. And you

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, not least of which that I mean.

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Speaker 1: Egypt is a massive recipient of usaid, considered a great

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Speaker 1: American ally, So the fact that they're at this point

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Speaker 1: also saying, hey, Israel, we think you're committing genocide. We're

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Speaker 1: signing onto this, we're pushing for a direct injunction is

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Speaker 2: Well, it's important for several reasons. For basically, let's say

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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy to let's say the twenty tens, when Iran

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Speaker 2: US foreign policy with respect to Israel was balancing the

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Speaker 2: two great powers of Israel and Egypt. Where there's a

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Speaker 2: saying in Arabic which is difficult to translate, but it

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Speaker 2: roughly translates to, like, where Egypt goes is where the

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Speaker 2: rest of the Arab world go was. The idea is

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Speaker 2: that it's like a cultural heart and center that's like.

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Speaker 4: The heart of the Arab Yeah, it's like the heart exactly.

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Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. It's difficult to like put

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Speaker 2: But the point is that with Egypt where it is

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Speaker 2: Iran and Iraq basically took that off the table and

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Speaker 2: operations in Rafa without a lot of consideration of the Egyptians.

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Speaker 2: And let's not forget I mean we covered it here

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Speaker 3: They didn't listen to the Egyptians. They tried to prevent this.

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Speaker 2: Now they have their own domestic politics going on, but

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Speaker 2: clearly their own population is very upset about what's happening,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely right. And from the Egyptian perspective, first

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Speaker 1: which to your point, Zager, they've been very clear about

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Speaker 1: because you've had about three hundred thousand who have won

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Speaker 4: There with no where to go.

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Speaker 1: So there's deep concern about that as well, and they

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Speaker 1: this is really no worthy. The other thing that I'll

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Speaker 1: is that going to come to pass? What is that

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Speaker 1: based on? I have no idea, but the fact that

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Speaker 1: this invasion now which has already occurred. The US administration

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Speaker 1: is saying it's not a major invasion, but it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's an invasion. They've taken control of the crossing, They've

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Speaker 1: So you clearly have action with regard to Rafa and

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Speaker 4: The bombs are falling everywhere. They say.

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Speaker 1: You have additional images here from Rafa. And then this

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Speaker 1: and again NPR, New York Times, any number of outlets

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Speaker 1: fact that there is nowhere safe to go the Alawassi

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Speaker 1: horrifying situation. I wanted to mention Sager, the Jibalia refugee

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Speaker 1: So it really underscores how much of a failure the

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous because what it shows also is the ineffectiveness

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Speaker 3: But this is the ultimate sign of failure.

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Speaker 2: If you have to keep going back bombing people in

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Speaker 2: All you're doing is just blowing the crap out of

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Speaker 2: certainly just create an insurgency. Well what happened, and now

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Speaker 2: also watching here. Now three hundred thousand people quote forced

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Speaker 2: neither safe nor equipped to handle all of them.

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Speaker 3: According to the United Nations.

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Speaker 2: And so then the question is it's like, well, are

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Speaker 2: Because if so, then neither of those works. This is

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Speaker 2: is everyone's like, they need to go in and they

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Speaker 2: need to finish Jamas. I'm like, well, they didn't finish

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Speaker 2: or in Jabali a refugee camp, and so what evidence

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Speaker 3: Basically none. You know, from a military point of view.

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Speaker 2: There has been basically, you know, no ignor knowowledgement of

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Speaker 2: the hostages, destroy the terrorists, neither of those have happened.

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Speaker 3: You've killed more hostages than you free.

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Speaker 4: That's right, That's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And there's a deal on the table right now to

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Speaker 4: It is truly inescapable.

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Speaker 2: I would just put it as a symbolic vote, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't care about the UN.

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Speaker 5: Your National Security memorandum that you signed says Israeli civilian

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Speaker 6: Yes, we do, And I think the report makes clear

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Speaker 6: We need to pursue these investigations just as Israel is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure we really trust the results of the

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Speaker 3: Okay, but here's the best part, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Ukrainians word for it and we're like, yep, rubber stamp,

438
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Speaker 2: here we go. So it's like, well, what about this?

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Speaker 2: We have ten times more documentation on this, and our

440
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Speaker 2: weapons aren't even the ones that are being involved where

441
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Speaker 2: you legally have the obligation to make sure that it's

442
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Speaker 2: not happening. That's seven months now at this point, that's

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Speaker 2: all literally on tape.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, how many more could you ask for?

445
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Speaker 2: Or this entire law is fake and we just give

446
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Speaker 2: weapons to whoever who we want to now, But I'm

447
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Speaker 2: actually fine with that. But it's the moral preening about

448
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Speaker 2: all of this that drives me nuts. Russian's committing a

449
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Speaker 2: genocide against Ukraine. I remember how they reacted to Bucha. Now,

450
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Speaker 2: I'm not justifying or saying that it was a good thing,

451
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Speaker 2: but that was like the biggest event on the planet.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't even equal like a day.

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Speaker 2: Of combat units or a low level military operation by

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Speaker 2: the IDF.

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Speaker 3: So which is it, folks, which are we going with?

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Speaker 4: That's right?

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Speaker 3: You know, these people are so full of shit on

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Speaker 3: this matter.

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Speaker 2: Like it drives me absolutely nuts because it is clear

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Speaker 2: that the more language of the US means nothing. Again,

461
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Speaker 2: I'm fine with that because I don't think it should

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Speaker 2: be there, but if we are going to apply it,

463
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Speaker 2: then it should properly and be equally applied to everyone. Instead,

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Speaker 2: we have selective application, which further isolates the United States

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Speaker 2: and makes it much more difficult for US to conduct

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Speaker 2: foreign policy abroad as we are watching with our dwindling

467
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Speaker 2: relationship with the entire world over this one issue with

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Speaker 2: the country that is like number fifty on our trading

469
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Speaker 2: list and is not all that important to us at all,

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Speaker 2: and instead it's like the fifty first state.

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Speaker 3: I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: It's important to these presidential candidates and they're you know,

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Speaker 1: fundraising committees.

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Speaker 4: It's important to them.

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Speaker 1: And Biden in particular has a ideological, like I think

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Speaker 1: you have to conclude at this point, a hardcore ideological

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Speaker 1: commitment to Israel's to the extent that he is actually

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Speaker 1: willing to risk Trump getting reelected and losing his reelection

479
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Speaker 1: bid in order to stand solidly by their side. But

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Speaker 1: it's just so naked, like it's so obvious what they're

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Speaker 1: doing here.

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Speaker 2: They know, we just.

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Speaker 1: Had one of our own American aid workers who was

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Speaker 1: targeted and murdered by the Israelis, and we know lots

485
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Speaker 1: about that. We know that they triple tapped that convoy.

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Speaker 1: We know they went in and drones strike the first one,

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Speaker 1: and then drone strike the second one when the survivors

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Speaker 1: crawled to and then drones strike the third car as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we know many things about what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, they're under an obligation in the

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Speaker 1: development of these reports to also consider independent organizations that

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Speaker 1: have been on the ground who have routinely assessed that

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Speaker 1: war crimes are being committed as a matter of core,

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Speaker 1: you know, the World Central Kitchen Aid Workers just being

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Speaker 1: one among them. So it's just so clear that they

496
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Speaker 1: know that they know that they're not fools. They see

497
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Speaker 1: what's going on, but they don't want to stop shipping

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Speaker 1: the weapons, so they put in this little weasley language

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Speaker 1: about yeah, maybe something's going on, but you know, this

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Speaker 1: Israelis are they're investigating it, and they're they're looking into

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Speaker 1: measures of accountability, and you know, it's fog of war,

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Speaker 1: like we really can't say this has been what we've

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Speaker 1: seen from the beginning saga with regard to Russia is

504
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Speaker 1: when it was Russia, there was no fog of war.

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Speaker 1: It was very clear. It was very black and white.

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Speaker 1: This was a war crime, this was is genocide. We

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Speaker 1: know what those things mean. We're able to talk about

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Speaker 1: it from the podium. When it came to Israel, it's like, eh,

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Speaker 1: what even is a war crime? And who can really say?

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Speaker 1: And it's going to take months before we even know,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get back to you. We're going to do

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Speaker 1: an investigation into that, but we're not really going to

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Speaker 1: do an investigation. We're going to pretend we're doing and

514
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Speaker 1: we'll get back to you probably never.

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Speaker 4: So this is the sort of like.

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Speaker 1: Written version of that approach of the America of the

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Speaker 1: Bid administration from the beginning of this war. There was

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Speaker 1: another piece that was interesting from Tony Blinkn that I

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Speaker 1: wanted to bring to you, which relates to what we're

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Speaker 1: talking about before with regard to Raffa and the idea

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Speaker 1: that oh, this is how we're really finish off Hamas,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. Even Tony Blinken admits that that is preposterous.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 3: They're two things.

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Speaker 6: One is that, as the President said, and as we

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Speaker 6: said in many conversations over the last couple of months,

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Speaker 6: there has to be a credible plan for the civilians.

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Speaker 4: Have you seen a credible plan that's sure.

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Speaker 3: We have not.

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Speaker 6: Second, there's something else that's important. We also haven't seen

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Speaker 6: a plan for what happens the day after this war

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Speaker 6: in Gaza ends. Because right now, the trajectory that Israel

533
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Speaker 6: is on is even if it goes in and takes

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Speaker 6: heavy action in Rafa, there will still be thousands of

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Speaker 6: armed Hamas left. We've seen in areas that Israel has

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Speaker 6: cleared in the north, even in conunis Hamas coming back.

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Speaker 6: So the trajectory right now is that going into Tarafa,

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Speaker 6: even to deal with these remaining battalions, especially in the

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Speaker 6: absence of a plan for civilians, risks doing terrible harm

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Speaker 6: to civilians and not solving the problem, a problem that

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Speaker 6: both of us want to solve.

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Speaker 4: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Even the State Department saying, like what the Israelis are

544
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Speaker 1: selling is completely preposterous here in terms of their Rafa invasion. Now,

545
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Speaker 1: will this administration actually do anything is a very open question.

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Speaker 1: To be generous, we've already seen similar, like Weasley, bullshit

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Speaker 1: language from Biden. They have already done an invasion of Rafa.

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Speaker 1: They've already told three hundred thousand gossms that they have

549
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Speaker 1: to move or else they're going to be bombed and killed.

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Speaker 1: So this is quite a significant military invasion already.

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Speaker 4: But Biden and co.

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Speaker 1: Still leaning on this language of well, it hasn't been

553
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Speaker 1: a major invasion, so we're not going to really do anything.

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Speaker 1: And another thing saga. I'm sure you probably saw this too,

555
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Speaker 1: and some of the big New York Times, you know,

556
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Speaker 1: propaganda piece.

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Speaker 4: About inside the Biden administration blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: In that piece they say, even this, you know, halting

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Speaker 1: of the one shipment of two thousand pound bombs, it

560
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Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. They have sufficient bombs to do whatever

561
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Speaker 1: they want to do. They're still fully intending on shipping

562
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Speaker 1: the entire fourteen billion dollars in a that was just

563
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Speaker 1: passed that is more symbolic than it is actually meaningful

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Speaker 1: to the Israeli's war efforts.

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Speaker 4: So important to keep that in mind as well.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely no, very important. This entire thing is just a

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Speaker 2: complete crapshoot. And it's just ridiculous too, because again it's

568
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Speaker 2: like the selective application of our own laws and the

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Speaker 2: Israel exception means that all of it is fake. Let's

570
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Speaker 2: put this up there on the screen. As we can see,

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Speaker 2: the intercept has a great headline, which is why we've

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Speaker 2: poked it. It says Israel likely used US supplied weapons

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Speaker 2: in violation of international law. That's okay, though the Stage Department.

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Speaker 4: Says very accurate report true.

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Speaker 2: It's like, well, so what's the point of the law

576
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Speaker 2: and if you can just fudge things and words have meaning.

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Speaker 2: Like again, if Buka was a massacre where there was

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Speaker 2: four hundred people who were dead. Now, one of the

579
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Speaker 2: reasons I refuse to call it a massacre at the

580
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Speaker 2: time is because anybody who knows that U history knows

581
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Speaker 2: that in a real war a lot more people actually die.

582
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Speaker 2: It was blown up as some genocidal event. As to

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Speaker 2: why the United States must pour every weapon that's not strapped,

584
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Speaker 2: you know, to the ground into Ukraine to stop these

585
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Speaker 2: Russian monsters, it turns out it's a pretty run of

586
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Speaker 2: the mill, low grade war, even if it is the

587
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Speaker 2: largest one in Europe. It's like, well, what does a

588
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Speaker 2: massacre actually look like? Well, we're watching it. It all happen.

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Speaker 2: It's part of the reason why, you know, it's so galling,

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Speaker 2: the fact that we still continue to both buy into

591
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Speaker 2: the Ukraine narrative while we're continuing to support Israel.

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Speaker 3: The two don't thick at all. They're completely counter to

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Speaker 3: each other.

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Speaker 2: And the main reason is because of domestic politics in

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Speaker 2: this country with a powerful Israel lobby. Let's put this

596
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Speaker 2: up there on the screen, Crystal, do you want to

597
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: read the email?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Okay, this is a billionaire backer a

599
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Speaker 1: major demo product party like super Funder, and has given

600
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Speaker 1: tons of money to Biden. And so you know, Biden

601
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Speaker 1: does little Weasley like, oh, we may stop weaponship and

602
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Speaker 1: so if there's a major invasion of Rafa, he wrote.

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Speaker 1: And you really have to see this because it looks

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Speaker 1: like something that would be posted from like an unhinged

605
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Speaker 1: comment er in a YouTube. No literally, secually, like the

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Speaker 1: capitalization and punctuation, everything about it is unhinged.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, let me read you this.

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Speaker 1: This says, dear President Biden, we all caps the US,

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Speaker 1: as you staged numerous times, believe Hamas should be defeated.

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Speaker 1: We the US in this case, you, mister President, have

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Speaker 1: decided to stop sending munitions to Israel to achieve the

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Speaker 1: goal that we slash you have set up for Israel

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Speaker 1: and ourselves even beyond Israel, to sends a terrible message

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Speaker 1: to our Alice in the region. Beyond that, we can

615
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Speaker 1: flip from doing the right thing you meant to say

616
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Speaker 1: thing so bending.

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Speaker 4: To political pressure.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget that there are more Jewish voters who

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Speaker 1: care about Israel than Muslim vote that care about Hamas.

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Speaker 1: Let that one sink in bad three commas bad, three

621
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Speaker 1: commas bad, four commas decision comma on all levels, please

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Speaker 1: pls reconsider. Thank you with respect, Tim Okay. So there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of elements of this that are important. First

624
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Speaker 1: of all, like I said, imagine sending off this like

625
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Speaker 1: unhinged screed to the President of the United States is

626
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Speaker 1: just extraordinary in and of itself. Number Two, that line

627
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Speaker 1: framing like oh, there's more Jewish supporters of Israel than

628
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Speaker 1: there are Muslim supporters of Hamas is so gross. It's

629
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Speaker 1: so gross on every level because first of all, there

630
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: are to conflate like oh, if you're Muslim, you must

631
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Speaker 1: support Hamas and there's no other reason why you may

632
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Speaker 1: be concerned about this is disgusting. Second of all, Obviously,

633
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Speaker 1: as we've seen, it's the problem for Biden with regard

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Speaker 1: to his policy is vast larger than just Muslim voters,

635
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Speaker 1: by the way, so it's not only like racist, but

636
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 1: also completely misunderstands the political calculation. But the most important thing,

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Speaker 1: Sager is it just shows you, like the level of access,

638
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: it shows you the inside game. So even though this

639
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: is just one person, his vote theoretically shouldn't matter more

640
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 1: than minor years or any other ordinary person out there,

641
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: Like obviously that's just not the case.

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Speaker 4: He has so.

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00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: Much direct line, direct connectivity. These are the types of

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Speaker 1: voices that are in the ears, not just a Joe Biden,

645
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: of Trump, of RFK Junior, of every single member of Congress,

646
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: House and Senate. These are the type of people and

647
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Speaker 1: the type of messaging that they're getting. And so that

648
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: very skewed ecosystem in those incredibly skewed political incentives are

649
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: how you end up with a policy that is so

650
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: dissonant from the country at large and from the Democratic

651
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: base in particular. So this guy going to the mat

652
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Speaker 1: throwing his weight around as a big Democratic mega downer

653
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Speaker 1: to try to curb even the little minimal sort of

654
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Speaker 1: like virtue signal change in policy direction that Biden did here.

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Speaker 4: It's so naked and it's.

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Speaker 3: So incredibly no, it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean he also literally was on the national board

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Speaker 2: member of the Friends of the IDF. He served in

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Speaker 2: the IDF. I mean'm pretty sure he's an Israeli citizens.

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Speaker 2: Would you tolerate this from any other duals, like any

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Speaker 2: other dual citizen group that would be using its influence

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Speaker 2: and its wealth to guide US foreign policy.

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Speaker 3: I've made the comparison before.

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Speaker 2: I am Indian, and if I saw a group of

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Speaker 2: Indians trying to do this with respect to US foreign

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Speaker 2: policy where it was clearly detrimental, I would call them out,

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Speaker 2: even if it might theoretically help some of my distant

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Speaker 2: relatives who are alive in India.

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Speaker 3: For some reason, we have an exception here, and it's very.

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Speaker 2: Obvious, you know that this is a serious, serious problem

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Speaker 2: and a very powerful impact on US foreign policy. So

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Speaker 2: this is where it all comes from. And these people,

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Speaker 2: I will never understate me their strength. I will never

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Speaker 2: underestimate their ability to you know, not just push you

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Speaker 2: a foreign policy. I mean, this is a Hollywood finance here,

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Speaker 2: multi billionaire you know, it's like, just that's the forces

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Speaker 2: that we're all up against, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's right, very very clear, And they can get on

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Speaker 1: the phone with and by the politician in the country,

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Speaker 1: possibly the world. And so when you're confused about why,

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Speaker 1: not just on Israel, but on any number of other issues,

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Speaker 1: why our political class seems to be so diametrically opposed

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Speaker 1: to what the people actually want, remember this email because

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Speaker 1: these are the waters that they're actually swimming in, and

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Speaker 1: these are the type of people who actually have the

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Speaker 1: most influence on policy.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, thank you guys so much for watching.

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Speaker 2: We really appreciate you. Like I said, please join up

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Speaker 2: breakingpoints dot com. You're going to be the first to

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Speaker 2: hear about our major, major announcement, even bigger than Counterpoints Friday.

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Speaker 3: Some people are.

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Speaker 2: Saying it is a three year anniversary coming up, which

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Speaker 2: is crazy.

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Speaker 3: So thank you.

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Speaker 2: Everybody has been with us since day one and we

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Speaker 2: will see you all later. People