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Speaker 1: Well, hey, everybody, it's me Rosi o'donald and you have

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Speaker 1: found my podcast Onward with Rosio o' donald. So you

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Speaker 1: know the show Love on the Spectrum. It's been on

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Speaker 1: and a few iterations. It was a British show or

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Speaker 1: an Australian show, and then they made a US version

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Speaker 1: and it's an amazing show about people on the spectrum

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Speaker 1: of all ages, most of them in their twenties or thirties,

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out love and life and the world,

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Speaker 1: you know, and if you have an autistic person in

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Speaker 1: your life, it is just even if you don't, it

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Speaker 1: is just the most beautiful show to watch. So one

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Speaker 1: of the men on there, Michael, who is very charming

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Speaker 1: and very lovely, he found me on Instagram and we've

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Speaker 1: been dming and he asked me if I wanted to

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Speaker 1: go on Instagram live for Love on the Spectrum, first

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Speaker 1: one that they're doing live.

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Speaker 2: I said sure, So I popped on.

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Speaker 1: Luckily I figured out how to get on there and

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Speaker 1: there they were, the whole cast, and we just talked

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Speaker 1: for like a little over an hour and it was

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Speaker 1: so much fun and it was so heartwarming the questions

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Speaker 2: The facts that they knew about me.

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Speaker 1: And as I'm reading the comments, as I'm commenting, I

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Speaker 1: see Ricky Lake.

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Speaker 2: It says, Ricky Lake.

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Speaker 1: Hey, ro I think this is so adorable, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: of course Ricky Lake would find her way in here.

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Speaker 1: I love Ricky Lake, and I love that she was

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Speaker 1: watching and appreciated just how amazing it was to see

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Speaker 1: I just it was like be shared, you know, a

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Speaker 1: Jewish word meaning meant to be that. I got a

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Speaker 1: little Ricky Lake last night, and I'm presenting to you

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Speaker 1: our conversation from a couple of weeks ago. We've been

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Speaker 1: friends a long time, but I don't have to tell

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Speaker 1: you anything because frankly, it's all in this conversation. So

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Speaker 1: sit back, relax, and enjoy my friend, Ricky Lake. I'm

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Speaker 1: here with my good friend Ricky Lake.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Ricky Lake, Hi Rosie, here in person. I love

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Speaker 3: you. You're the best you are. I've learned from you.

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Speaker 4: I feel like I've admired you long before I actually

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Speaker 1: You know, when I was thinking today in the way

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Speaker 1: over here, when was the first time that we actually

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Speaker 2: I think it was right.

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Speaker 5: Before we went to the the Can we say what movie? Yes, hey,

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Speaker 5: oh hey, that's yeah, that's Dolly, which was my childhood nickname.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, dog can bark.

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Speaker 4: She will if she sees seagulls, she will go see

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Speaker 1: I think when we went to see that Wayne's World

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Speaker 1: in the Valley, in the Valley because way I had

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Speaker 1: met you at like a Denny's or something. Remember you

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Speaker 1: were sitting in the back. Can you remember everything? I

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Speaker 1: know I've taken ambient periodically in my life. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: don't remember details, but I remember going to the movies

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Speaker 4: It was in Studio City. We walked out, Yes, it

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Speaker 4: was horrible. I could have watched the whole movie. And

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Speaker 4: I was like, do you want to stay for this?

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Speaker 4: And you were like no, And so then we went

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Speaker 1: But I do remember you saying to me, I'm going

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Speaker 2: And I remember thinking, how do you do a talk show?

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Speaker 1: It was all Oprah. All the time, right, everybody else

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Speaker 4: This was in nineteen ninety ninety two. It was I

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Speaker 4: got the pilot for the show, and I remember years

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Speaker 4: later you came to me and asked, you want to

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Speaker 4: Beause they were talking to you, Right, my show is

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Speaker 4: obviously a huge hit, And I told you it's told

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Speaker 4: you my workload. Yep, you ended up with a much

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Speaker 4: better deal than I did. Yes, but I'm not complaining.

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Speaker 2: No, you did very well for yourself.

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Speaker 3: I did well.

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Speaker 1: We were at Ricky's gorgeous house in Malibu here up

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Speaker 1: beautiful floral garden, the design I've ever seen in the house.

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Speaker 3: And it took a lot to get to that spot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it took you like eight years to make ext

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Speaker 4: I have to find it and then build it. There

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Speaker 1: Is this the one that you sold it to? Somebody

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Speaker 3: I mean you're still mad at go Toby McGuire.

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Speaker 4: Tob I bought it from Courtney Cox, so like name

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Speaker 4: dropping galore bought it from Courtney Cox. She has great taste.

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Speaker 4: It was a fucking killer house and can I say

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Speaker 3: Your yeah, okay, okay. And then I lived there for

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Speaker 3: like eleven or twelve years and sold.

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Speaker 4: I was ready to downsize, but not downsize because of

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Speaker 4: financial means. It was like I wanted a smaller piece

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Speaker 3: Square feet it was.

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Speaker 4: It was a lot of house, and I wanted to

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Speaker 4: get a place in a visa and get a smaller

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Speaker 3: I sold it to Toby maguire.

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Speaker 4: He painted it white and dressed it like staged it

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Speaker 4: white and flipped it a year later for two million more.

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Speaker 4: I'm not mad, I'm over it. I'm totally over it

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Speaker 4: good for him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing what people can see and people who

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Speaker 1: knowing like, which I think you do. Oh, I'm going

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Speaker 1: that's not my thing at all. I have to go

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Speaker 4: Really, you can't want a project, Okay, another house on

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think I have the ability to have

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Speaker 1: and I walked in and that's how it was. It was,

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Speaker 3: Weren't you successful at that time?

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Speaker 2: When you know, No, I was a stand up comic.

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Speaker 3: He won Star Search.

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Speaker 2: I No, I didn't win.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's right. Do you know he's had a bad stroke.

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Speaker 4: I mean he is what sixty sixties?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fifty four. Oh you're just a baby, yeah right, yeah?

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Speaker 4: Six years getting better with age, sure.

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Speaker 1: And I feel the same way. I feel such a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think we are lucky because we've we've

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Speaker 4: had a lot. I mean, I could speak for myself,

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Speaker 4: I assume for you, but I've achieved. I've like proven

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Speaker 4: like staying relevant or having more money like that is

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Speaker 4: not It's about quality of life with my new husband,

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Speaker 3: So madly in love with.

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Speaker 2: I'm in love with him too, just so you know,

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Speaker 4: Yes, he's he is so special and I deserve him

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Speaker 4: like that's the piece of it that I think for

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Speaker 4: But I think coming into my own and really loving

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Speaker 2: Yes, And how did you get there? Rick? Because you

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Speaker 2: were heavy your whole childhood? Right, you were always the

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Speaker 4: No, I was sexually molested as a little girl, and

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Speaker 3: Yes, not, for many many years.

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Speaker 1: You went no contact. Before there was a thing of

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Speaker 1: going no contact, was there? Now there came a thing

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Speaker 1: and that's what they call it, you know when you

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Speaker 1: see on TikTok or whatever. I don't do TikTok, so

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Speaker 1: I know I got to get you onto that. But

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Speaker 1: it really is like crack poison. Not that I've ever

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Speaker 1: done crack, but what my impression is, No I haven't.

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Speaker 2: That's scary of me.

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Speaker 1: But you're much more adventurous in your drug world I

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Speaker 3: But not to crack. I want to let's be clear.

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Speaker 4: And I think no TikTok for me because I can't.

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Speaker 4: It's too frustrating. I mean, I watch you when I

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Speaker 4: see it mostly on Instagram, your stuff, right, but I

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it's just yeah.

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Speaker 1: It is really something that is so addictive and probably

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Speaker 1: I went fishing with Kelly. That's right, and I cut

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Speaker 4: I don't have any story like that other than burning

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Speaker 1: We were at Ricky's yesterday with a couple other friends

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Speaker 2: That's very very kind and loving of you.

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00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's true. And her mother

445
00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 3: treated her.

446
00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,159
Speaker 4: A certain way, you know my mother, Like, let me

447
00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 4: go back to what I said about like becoming over

448
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 4: as a teenager as a coping mechanism. I think I

449
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 4: didn't want to be attractive two men, and I got

450
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,199
Speaker 4: hairspray like my first week out of finals week. Like,

451
00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 4: so my mother here, she was so ashamed of me,

452
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,800
Speaker 4: trying to get me to change, you know and be normal.

453
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 2: And you said she was a shamed just because of

454
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,160
Speaker 2: your physical appearance.

455
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I think my mother just didn't get me,

456
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:23,240
Speaker 4: you know, like I was just you know, my sister

457
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,159
Speaker 4: was more able to be controlled by her. You know,

458
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 4: my sister studied the thing in college that my mother

459
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:29,159
Speaker 4: wanted her to study.

460
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 3: Like, I was not going to let anybody tell me

461
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 3: like what to do.

462
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 4: But you know, I saw Annie when I was seven

463
00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,160
Speaker 4: years old, and I wanted to be you know, Andrew

464
00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 4: mccartaal or one of those orphans like my grandma Sylvia.

465
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:41,280
Speaker 4: When I was seven years old, she took me to

466
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 4: see theater Pirates of Penzance grew everything and it made

467
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 4: me want to be on stage. But it was seeing Annie,

468
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 4: a girl that was around my age, and I just

469
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 4: was like, I have to do that. And my mother

470
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 4: got me singing lessons, which I appreciate, but she also said,

471
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 4: you can't try out for Annie because you're not the

472
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,199
Speaker 4: starving orphan type, you know.

473
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,840
Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of on.

474
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 4: The surface, but I think she was trying to protect

475
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,439
Speaker 4: me from being rejected. And you know, I was this

476
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,400
Speaker 4: heavy set kid. But my mom years later, like, it's

477
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 4: just I became her worst nightmare. But then I got

478
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 4: famous for that very thing that she was so ashamed of,

479
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 4: you know it really I think it's interesting.

480
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 3: And you know I didn't let her. I mean she did.

481
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 4: She did great things for me, like she gave birth

482
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 4: to me and that you know, I'm here, but you know,

483
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 4: I'm definitely not a NEPO baby, you know.

484
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 3: I kind of come from nothing, yes, you know, and.

485
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 2: That's I guess the point.

486
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: I was looking at all of us except for Pammy,

487
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 1: whose father was a big market I knew her dad, yeah,

488
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: I had met him a few times too, But exide

489
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 1: from Pammy, the rest of us. We were like, you know,

490
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 1: poor lower middle class kids from New.

491
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 2: York, and here we are, all of us, thank god,

492
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 2: doing well.

493
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: And it's amazing in a position where we don't have

494
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:55,600
Speaker 1: to work.

495
00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: Imagine that. I can't imagine it every day I think

496
00:21:59,600 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: of it.

497
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and my kids, I mean, this is the first

498
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 4: when they say the first generation where our kids aren't

499
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,280
Speaker 4: necessarily going to be as successful as us, right, So,

500
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 4: Ross and I talk about that because we have six

501
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 4: kids between us, and yeah, I mean I've been incredibly lucky,

502
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 4: and I've also worked really hard. Yeah, So I mean

503
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 4: despite my upbringing, you know, like you all three women, Robin,

504
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,920
Speaker 4: Pammy and you like, I just admire you all so much.

505
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,400
Speaker 3: What Pammy has done with her career unbelievable.

506
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 4: It's a masterpiece, that series, and that it stems from

507
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 4: her life and I've known her.

508
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're kids together.

509
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 4: I know exactly how hard it has been to raise

510
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 4: those girls on her own. I'm blown away by Pamela Adlins.

511
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: Did the show Better Things on FX for five years,

512
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 1: A wonderful, unbelievable show. If you haven't seen it, you've

513
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 1: gotta binge it because you'll fall in love with her.

514
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,479
Speaker 1: And it is the story of her life. You know,

515
00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: there's an authenticity that you can't replicate.

516
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just when there when someone is like the

517
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 4: oh tour, you know, like a John Waters even, you know,

518
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 4: it's like it comes from their brain and they execute

519
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 4: it and they put it on the page and it

520
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 4: is so brilliant and it's just, yeah, I'm blown away

521
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 4: by it, by her and what she's done because yeah, yeah,

522
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 4: I won't say anymore.

523
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: Right, you know, when they're your friends and then you're

524
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 2: on a pot I know, it's like.

525
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: We just you know, got a little high before we

526
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,360
Speaker 1: started this and thought, okay, this will be fun. I've

527
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: loved all that you've done with your documentaries, especially the

528
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: one about pot weed.

529
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 2: The people, Yeah, really wonderful.

530
00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 1: I am the kind of sixty year old person who

531
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: never smoked pot till I was forty, and then at

532
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: forty it was like I would take two little puffs

533
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: and I would be like flying.

534
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 3: You know, did you enjoy it?

535
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,199
Speaker 2: I liked it? I loved it.

536
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: I was like, who buys you into it?

537
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: For me? Shrink? Because I was having no desire for sex.

538
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: I started menopause at forty, and so I had zero libido,

539
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 1: and she was like, why don't you try smoking a

540
00:23:58,640 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: little pot?

541
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm never smoke pot.

542
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: That's what the black T shirt kids who liked sabbath

543
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: black Sabbath where like I was not ever like. And

544
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 1: then as soon as I started, and I'm like, where

545
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: have you been all my own?

546
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,120
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm the same way.

547
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 2: I mean.

548
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 4: I first tried pot my first my only year of college,

549
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 4: my freshman year at Itthica College, and I remember it

550
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 4: affected me so much. I feel like it was laced

551
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 4: with something because I was so freaked out. I was

552
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 4: so paranoid. I want I remember feeling like I wanted

553
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 4: to jump out of the high rise I lived in.

554
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 4: It was really traumatizing and I never did it again.

555
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 4: My husband, Rob, who you know, my ex husband, my

556
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 4: first husband, He liked pot, but a little too much

557
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 4: and so I didn't like.

558
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: Like.

559
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 4: I remember one experience I did get high with him

560
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 4: and we were going to some event and I was

561
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 4: sitting at the mirror curling my eyelashes. Yeah, and I

562
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 4: was high and he got my attention and I moved

563
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 4: my not my eye and I ripped out and they came.

564
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 4: I ripped out half my eyelashes. So I didn't smoke pot.

565
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 4: I was not into cannabis at all until I met Christian.

566
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,479
Speaker 3: And Christian was my second husband.

567
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 4: I met him when I was forty two, and he

568
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 4: was on this mission to try to help himself with

569
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 4: he you know, with healing hooler he was. He was

570
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 4: my polar, but he was also had chronic back pain

571
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 4: from a car accident. She was always looking at different

572
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 4: things to heal. And he's the one who taught me

573
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: about CBD before anyone, before Sanjay Gupdack came on and

574
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,199
Speaker 4: made the big apology about cannabis. I mean, so we

575
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 4: started making this documentary back in twenty twelve.

576
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: Do you know that story? No, so I do crazy shit,

577
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 3: like not like you do.

578
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 4: You like put strangers through school and you do incredibly.

579
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 2: You think you don't do crazy shit.

580
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: What about the girl with the weed story who you

581
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: were treating and then.

582
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 7: You stir crazy?

583
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: That was crazy? That was crazy.

584
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 4: Well I had done Dancing with the Stars, but you

585
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 4: were great on I Thank you. I I loved I

586
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 4: loved it and I hated it because it was so hard,

587
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 4: but it was incredible. This little girl loved Derek Huff

588
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 4: and loved thus me because I was his partner, and

589
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 4: I found the mom on Twitter.

590
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: You know, we started engaging. She was this sick little girl.

591
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 4: She had this disease called neurofibromatosis one, which they treat

592
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 4: like cancer. It's not cancro's tumors, but it's tumors that

593
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 4: they treat with all these cancer drugs. Her picture, I mean,

594
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 4: she was six years old. She looked like she was three,

595
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 4: no hair, glasses, crooked and something about this little girl.

596
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 4: And I think I saw myself and her. I really

597
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 4: think I connected with her. And so next thing, you know,

598
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 4: I moved them into my house to go on this

599
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 4: mission to find like alternative methods because it looked like

600
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 4: the cancer treatment was harming her.

601
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: So Christian and I took it upon ourselves.

602
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 4: We were in osteopath this one, this one, this one

603
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: an Abby, my partner who I made the business of

604
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 4: being born with.

605
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 3: I'm telling her. I'm like, I've got this little girl

606
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 3: and her mom in my house.

607
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 4: She's like, what And when telling her the story, I'm

608
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 4: telling her about cannabis blah blah blah.

609
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 3: We're talking to cannabis doctors.

610
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 4: She's like, I think this is our next movie, and

611
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 4: so we started the movie focusing on this little girl.

612
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: Ultimately they pulled out of the movie the project. You know,

613
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 4: it was devastating because I didn't in the movie. I

614
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 4: wanted this little girl in my life, sure, and so

615
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: we parted ways unfortunately, but that was the catalyst or

616
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 4: the start of this six year journey of making this movie.

617
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 4: It's really powerful in that it really re educates about

618
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 4: the history of the plant, you know, what was done

619
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 4: to kind of smear the smear campaign, not unlike Midwives

620
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 4: with my first film, the Business being Born. So it

621
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 4: was a great film and it's really Christian's legacy.

622
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: Well, you know, it did change the way I felt

623
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: about my own pot consumption because I had such sixty

624
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: year old oh my god, this is a bad thing

625
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: to do. And then it becomes legal, right, So I

626
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: remember the first time I was here when it was legal,

627
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: and I call one of my friends and say, do

628
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: you got any pot you can bring over?

629
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: Because I wouldn't travel with that.

630
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: I was like totally afraid I would go to jail. Yeah,

631
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: and they go just call up medmen or I'm.

632
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 3: Like, what did medmen exist? Then?

633
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: When it first became legal, this is the first time

634
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: I ever got pot, like from a legitimate store. Okay,

635
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: So I went online and I was like, uh, yeah,

636
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm at the hotel and oh great, Rosie, Oh what

637
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: room you mean. I'm like, I'll just come down to

638
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: the lobby. They're like, oh, okay, great. Well, so we

639
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 1: got the two high brins of sativa, and you know,

640
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: I have no idea what the what really is going

641
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: on at this point, And I get down and I

642
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: get there and the guy walks in with like a

643
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: T shirt and a messenger bag that says.

644
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 2: Med men on it.

645
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: You know.

646
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking we were gonna go here, buddy,

647
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: here's the cash.

648
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: It's two sixty, right, And he was like, great, Rosie,

649
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: is there anything else you need? And have you ever

650
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: tried a gummy? You know you might want to try it?

651
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: And I was blown away. I went back to my

652
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: room feeling like a criminal who was wanted amazing, And

653
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: to this day still sometimes feel I feel a little

654
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: bit like.

655
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: Ooh, I'm doing something illegal.

656
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 4: Wow, well I feel I shout it from the rooftops.

657
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I love cannabis. And I was also when

658
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: I did my talk show, I was the disciple of

659
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 4: Nancy Reagan. I was like the just not of drugs,

660
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: you know, very judgmental, very fear filled, not open mind

661
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 4: in the least.

662
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 3: And now you know, I've done plant, I've done.

663
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 2: A ton of like, yeah you did ayahwasca.

664
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: I've done ayahuasca a dozen times.

665
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: And I say, how much it terrifies me.

666
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: It is, first of all, I'm on an SSRI and

667
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: you can't take it's ninety nine, so I can't do it.

668
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: But let's just say I wasn't. I would never do it.

669
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: The concept that you're going to be that out of

670
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: control and you're going to throw up and poop your

671
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: pants and you know, and then you're going to see

672
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: hallucinations like that's my idea.

673
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: But then the.

674
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: After effect is you heal your demons. You have no

675
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: fear of death. I mean, you have ego death like

676
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 4: like I'm telling you, and I'm not encouraging you to

677
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 4: do it anyone, So don't worry.

678
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: Don't.

679
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 4: But my experiences doing ayahuasca have been life changing, life changing,

680
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 4: for example, and I hate it.

681
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 3: It's horrible.

682
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 4: It's going to like the depths of like the darkest places,

683
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: and then you see the light.

684
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 3: I mean you see God.

685
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: I mean one time I was in the redwoods up

686
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 4: in northern California during the day. It was the one

687
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 4: and only time I did it in daylight, and I

688
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 4: remember just being on my knees, my hands touching the

689
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 4: ground underneath these incredible redwoods, and I was tears and

690
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm seeing and feeling the Earth's heartbeat in

691
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 4: my hands.

692
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: It was the most and I mean other things.

693
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the biggest thing that happened to me

694
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 4: was I made amends to my father, my children, and

695
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: you know, I had so much anger and just poison

696
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: inside of me because of that marriage ending. And so

697
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 4: in the end I came out of that experience saying, oh,

698
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 4: I need to take responsibility for my part in this.

699
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 4: And it was incredibly healing for me, I think for him,

700
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: but also I made amends in front of Owen, my

701
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 4: youngest son, who was probably eight or nine at that time.

702
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 4: It was mean, it was I never in a million years,

703
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: I didn't go in with that intention, but it was

704
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 4: just incredibly was It was definitely changed my life.

705
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: You know, Melissa Ethrige it as well, and she has

706
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: a new one woman show that I saw off Broadway

707
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: over Christmas and the whole like last third of it

708
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: is about an ayahuasca trip, about journeying, as she calls it,

709
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: and I so couldn't relate to any of it, Like

710
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: I was there going this would never like she made

711
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: it seem like it was some psychedelic something from the

712
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: seventies that was gonna be fun. But I just had

713
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: anxiety watching her talk about it.

714
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have the same I know her, I know

715
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 4: her shaman or whatever. You you know, the person who

716
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: facilitates I know, I know we've never sat together, but

717
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: you know, Lisa and Cindy really and Sindea, they were

718
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 4: a part of our film. I mean they weren't in it,

719
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 4: but they were part of our journey in getting well.

720
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: They were like pioneers.

721
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: They had this great hoot sales business and then it

722
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: happened they got.

723
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: Through by the landlord.

724
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 4: I don't remember the whole thing, but Lisa, who's I'm

725
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 4: still very close to you.

726
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: She did my grow my girl, my property. So she Yeah,

727
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: so that the medicine that you.

728
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 4: I gave you, it's she's there's her strains her babies,

729
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 4: and she taught us how to do it.

730
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, lovely. How are they doing?

731
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: Lisa is okay? I mean I haven't seen her since

732
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 4: we harvested. But Cindy took her life like a year

733
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 4: or two after. Do not know this I did.

734
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that I thought, Yeah she did. She

735
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: suffered a lot.

736
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: She suffered like Christian.

737
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 4: She and Christian were very tight and they both kind

738
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 4: of were from the same planet. Because I think Christian

739
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 4: was an alien and we've talked about this. You believe

740
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 4: to go to my few she actually she tells me

741
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 4: a lot that she is. I believe that they there

742
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 4: are certain special people, particularly some people who have challenges

743
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 4: that are mentally ill, but they can tap into something

744
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 4: else that we can't. And uh, Cindy, Yeah, Cindy died

745
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 4: about three years ago.

746
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 2: Wow, I about. That's so sad.

747
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: You know, mental illness when people like Christian and her

748
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: and friends of mine, and.

749
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: Uh, it has to be changed.

750
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: We have to deal with treating mental illness compassionately and medically,

751
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: and it has to change.

752
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 4: It feels impossible because the system, you know, we don't

753
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 4: take care of our people. And you know, I just

754
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: know what I went through with Christian, which this Saturday

755
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: is the six year anniversary of his.

756
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: Death, and you saw him just two nights before.

757
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: He died, three nights before we Yeah, that was through

758
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 4: the last times I saw him. And I actually did

759
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 4: everything that everybody told me not to do. I mean

760
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 4: I had been trying to separate and have started my

761
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: life over, yes, after his second about with you know,

762
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 4: a psychotic episode, and I just had to remove myself

763
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: for months, you know. And then I just threw myself

764
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 4: and did working out and taking care of myself. And

765
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 4: he came back through through LA and asked to see me,

766
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: and I was leaving for London shortly after, and so

767
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 4: he and I had dinner.

768
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: You know.

769
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: Everyone said, meet him for coffee during the day. Yeah,

770
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 3: don't bring him home, don't have alcohol. You know.

771
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 4: I did everything that everyone said not to do, and

772
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 4: I brought him home and we did, you know, spend

773
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 4: the night together and make love all night. And it

774
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 4: was his goodbye to me. And I'm so glad I

775
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 4: didn't reject him in that moment, because I would have

776
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: felt very differently about his passing. But I mean that

777
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 4: relationship and you met him because I remember telling yeah

778
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 4: podcast in Nayaki. Yes, yes, I'm having a flashback.

779
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 2: By all of them.

780
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: Honey, I can name all of your boys. I've been

781
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: in finality, right, Well, come on.

782
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 2: Say should we do?

783
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 6: Then?

784
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 4: I didn't lose my virginity until I was almost twenty one.

785
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: I got married at twenty five to Rob. I you know,

786
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 4: stayed married till thirty five met Apollo. Was in that

787
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 4: relationship for three and a half years, and then I

788
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 4: turned into a slut.

789
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: Now, honey, I always tell people Ricky Lake, you are

790
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: my spirit animal. I love how you go at love

791
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: and grab it with both hands. I love how you

792
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: live your life. The family relationships that you have made

793
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: with your friends are thicker than most families.

794
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: That I know.

795
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,040
Speaker 3: Chosen family, Your.

796
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: Chosen family, strong and vibrant and well tended to by you.

797
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: You're an amazing woman, you really are. And one day

798
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: you have to take me to burning Man, and all

799
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: this is for being recorded. Right, one day, are you

800
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: gonna take me to Burning Man? I'm gonna like maybe

801
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: have a little a little golf.

802
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 3: Little mushroom little Oh, come on, I.

803
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: Haven't done mushrooms now. I'm very much as honey.

804
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 4: It's I mean, you're never too old, never too old whatever.

805
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 4: I'm not pushing psychedelics on anyone. I just know, like,

806
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 4: like I'm the best me I've ever been because of

807
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 4: like my open minded like I'm I was gonna say

808
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: I'm a secret, but I don't know if it's about that.

809
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 3: Like I just I'm just open.

810
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: You live your life in full gear with all the colors,

811
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: like you use every man outs of color in life,

812
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: and you fucking let it wash over you. And it's

813
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: the most beautiful thing to I've been your friend for

814
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: thirty years and to know that this is who you are.

815
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: Thank you. I love my life.

816
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 4: I love particularly now like this is I mean, I

817
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 4: wake up with my guy singing, we go to bed.

818
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just from like the start of the day,

819
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 4: it's just joy and play.

820
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: And he's a man. He's a wonderful, wonderful man. Can

821
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: you believe we're so different?

822
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: Like he comes from this devout Mormon background, right, you know,

823
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 4: I just I can't.

824
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 3: Here's what I think. I mean.

825
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 4: I believe Christian brought him to me. I believe Christian

826
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 4: had to leave. I mean, and I know this sounds crazy.

827
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: No, I don't know, honey.

828
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 4: I really don't care how I sound, because I know

829
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 4: what I believe and Christian.

830
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: He didn't want to leave me.

831
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 4: He was so in love with me, but he couldn't

832
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 4: like it just it's just he was not of this planet.

833
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 4: And when I met him, when I had the house

834
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: fire here on this beach, you know, he and I

835
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 4: came together through that fire, and I believe it was

836
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 4: divine intervention. And he was supposed to be my greatest teacher.

837
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 4: He stayed for six and a half years. And you know,

838
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: when I married him, I knew I was he was

839
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: like a patient.

840
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: I mean I was he was.

841
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 4: I was his caretaker and I knew I was signing

842
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: on for that. And we had a pact. And he

843
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 4: said to me when we got married, it was just

844
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 4: the two of us at the Saniel Siegra Ranch in Montecito.

845
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 4: He said to me, we are together for something greater

846
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 4: than just us. I didn't know really what he was

847
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: talking about that time. But like through the journey of

848
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: losing him, like I believe he's now taking care of me,

849
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 4: like I know, I know I feel it. Ross feels

850
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 4: it because it just doesn't make sense how Ross and

851
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 4: I got together.

852
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 3: We would never have met.

853
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 4: We lived in the same city, my apartment in the

854
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,879
Speaker 4: Marina del Rey where you came over here. He lived

855
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 4: on the beach side. You know, he's a corporate attorney.

856
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 4: He's new to La so not that's fat. He's tall,

857
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 4: he's a big man.

858
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 2: He's a six six currently man.

859
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: He's currently two hundred and fifty nine pounds. We're both

860
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 3: losing weight like you are. We brought We're feeling so good.

861
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 4: But anyway, it's just I believe Christian is my angel

862
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: and my greatest teacher. And I've learned so much about

863
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 4: mental illness, about just eternal love, unconditional love. And the

864
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: best part is that I now love myself the way

865
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: he loved me.

866
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 2: How beautiful Ricky.

867
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: And on this sixth anniversary of his passing, you know,

868
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: let's all take God time and feel it and remember him.

869
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: He was a beautiful, free spirited man and he did

870
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: love you greatly, and it was obvious, you know. But

871
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: you know there's so much mental illness. Love doesn't have

872
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: a say.

873
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: Right. Well, listen, this is the first.

874
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: Time I've ever gotten eye and done really anything work related.

875
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 3: Really.

876
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would have a beer sometimes doing stand up

877
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: before I went on, but I must spoke my pot

878
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: alone and hang out and vibe in my house. You know,

879
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm not as No, let's get high and go somewhere.

880
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: No.

881
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 1: Now, if it's a bunch of us like it was

882
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: the other night, yeah, that's a different thing.

883
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 6: Now.

884
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: Why anxiety?

885
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Speaker 3: Anxiety because someone else is going to judge you what it.

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Speaker 1: Know, because you're going to be out of contry in public.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be at the mercy of other

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Speaker 1: people's mind. I want my mind to be focused on

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Speaker 1: getting myself there and back in the car and making

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Speaker 1: sure Dakota has what she wants. And you know, but

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Speaker 1: when I have my alone time, you know, I'll definitely

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Speaker 1: take an edible or two and put on something that

893
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Speaker 1: really moved me and watch it for the three times

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Speaker 1: in a row and take notes, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we get high every night and it's

896
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Speaker 4: like it's it's the best.

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Speaker 3: It's the best. Anyway, here we digress, all right.

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Speaker 7: I love you, Rick, I love you too.

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Speaker 1: Hey, we're back, and now we've got some questions from

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Speaker 1: you or comments, little voice memos that you leave for

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Speaker 1: me at onward Rosie at gmail dot com. There you go,

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Speaker 1: onward Rosie at gmail dot com. We get those emails.

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Speaker 1: They put together some of the questions, and I hear

904
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Speaker 1: them for the first time right here, So we're going

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Speaker 1: to get into that right now. First question, roll it

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Speaker 1: would you?

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Speaker 6: Hey, Rosie, my name is Mark. I'm a nurse in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 6: I'm a gay guy in my mid thirties. I'm looking

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Speaker 6: for some dating advice. I've been really consumed in getting

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Speaker 6: my masters this past couple years and also really trying

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Speaker 6: to find a committed boyfriend. But it's been super difficult.

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Speaker 6: Dates have not been going far. Do you have any

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Speaker 6: advice on where I should be looking, what I should

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Speaker 6: be doing, anything in regards could use your help, Thanks, Rosie.

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Speaker 1: Sure, honey, I'll be glad to give you help. Although

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Speaker 1: I don't have the best record in romance, but I

917
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Speaker 1: think it's really important to find someone who is like minded.

918
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Speaker 1: You know that you have the same kind of values

919
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: and outlook on the world, and that's not always easy

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Speaker 1: to do. But if you go to places that really

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Speaker 1: interest you, like for me, the theater or to art

922
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Speaker 1: shows or museums, you know, and I find that people

923
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: who have similar interests like that, it's a great place

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00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: to start. I think that you know tender and bumble

925
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: and swipey, swipe swipe. I don't think that that's the

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Speaker 1: way that people really get a sense of who each

927
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Speaker 1: other really really who they are. Because we curate our

928
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: own image in social media, it's not an accurate portrayal

929
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Speaker 1: of who we are, and I think there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of misinformation and non accurate assumptions that you make when

931
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Speaker 1: it's solely a social media kind of relationship. So I

932
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Speaker 1: would say, go to places that you like. It sounds

933
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Speaker 1: like you've been very busy, and congratulations on getting your

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Speaker 1: masters and being a nurse. I think nurses are the

935
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Speaker 1: heartbeat of the country and if it wasn't for them,

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Speaker 1: no one would ever get well. Their job is to

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Speaker 1: love and to heal people. Can you imagine that that

938
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Speaker 1: that's your job to love and to heal people, and

939
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Speaker 1: they do it and they care for them. Their job

940
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Speaker 1: is caring and loving. So congratulations to you on having

941
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Speaker 1: that wonderful, wonderful career, and congratulations on getting your masters

942
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Speaker 1: and now work on the other part of your life.

943
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Speaker 1: You seem to have gotten the career trajectory really right,

944
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Speaker 1: and I know romance will be on the way. Go slow, honey,

945
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Speaker 1: there's no rush, and good luck let me know how

946
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Speaker 1: it goes. We got time for one more. Here we

947
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Speaker 1: go roll it when you got a minute.

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Speaker 8: Hi, Rosie. My name is Laura, and I have a

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Speaker 8: question for you that you may or may not want

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Speaker 8: to answer. But I was wondering, when did you start

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Speaker 8: to notice that there might be something not adding up

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Speaker 8: for Dakota, I asked, because a lot of times girls

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Speaker 8: are not diagnosed until much later. So I'm just curious

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Speaker 8: when when did that journey of questioning start for you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, no, thank you, thank you, great question. Thank you

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00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: so much. I'd love to answer it. Here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: When she was one, she said full sentences that were

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Speaker 1: lines from Frozen. So I was sitting with her, she

959
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: had just turned one, had just had her birthday. She

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00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: was sitting on my lap. We were watching Frozen, and

961
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Speaker 1: right before Oloff says I've been impaled. She looks at

962
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Speaker 1: me and says I've been impaled.

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Speaker 2: And I said what?

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Speaker 1: And then I hear the TV I've been impaled? And

965
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Speaker 1: then she looks at the TV and I was like,

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Speaker 1: did you just recite that sentence? Not only did she

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Speaker 1: recite it, but it sounded exactly like Olof Like it

968
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Speaker 1: was kind of creepy.

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Speaker 2: Now, she was my fifth.

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Speaker 1: Kid that I had, and I also had some two

971
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Speaker 1: foster kids, and you know, I've raised a lot of kids,

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Speaker 1: and I knew something was different about about Dakota. That is,

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Speaker 1: the first thing was was the I've been impaled, or

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Speaker 1: maybe right before that, the fact that she didn't seem

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Speaker 1: to answer to her name. There was sort of nothing

976
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Speaker 1: you could do to get if you said Dakota, she

977
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Speaker 1: wouldn't turn. Now, at some point I started calling her

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Speaker 1: a monkey and making a noise like eat, you know, hey, monkey, eat,

979
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Speaker 1: And when I did the e eat, she'd turn around.

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Speaker 1: So she responded to the sound more than to the words.

981
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Speaker 1: So I took her in. And I had had kids

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Speaker 1: who had other issues of learning difficulties, and I was

983
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Speaker 1: familiar with what we had to do. So I went

984
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Speaker 1: and got her the tests that were appropriate and met

985
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Speaker 1: with some autism doctors and they told me her diagnosis

986
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Speaker 1: from the time she was too And you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: so happy that I knew early on what to look for,

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Speaker 1: and that I knew where to get her the help,

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Speaker 1: and that I'm fortunate enough to be able to afford

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Speaker 1: to get her the best help, and that has to

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Speaker 1: change in America. Everyone needs to get their kids who

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Speaker 1: are suffering healthy, and it should be available to all people.

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Speaker 1: I firmly believe that, you know, socialized medicine. I believe

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Speaker 1: that we have to take care of our citizens and

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Speaker 1: starts with the smallest of them.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: She's an amazing, amazing young person and I'm in love

998
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Speaker 1: with her. I think she's the greatest and her confidence

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Speaker 1: is inspiring. So thank you for caring about her. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. All right, everybody, that's it for today. There

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Speaker 1: it is. We are done, and I hope you enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: Ricky Lake, I love her so much. Thank you, rick

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Speaker 1: Next week, guess who we have Stephanie Mills, who is

1004
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Speaker 1: an amazing mom to a special needs son with Down syndrome.

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Speaker 1: We talk all about our special needs kids and how

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Speaker 1: it's changed us. I saw her first on Broadway when

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Speaker 1: she was just seventeen years old, starring in The Whiz,

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Speaker 1: and it was one of the best things I have

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Speaker 1: ever seen on stage in my life. I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: that we became friends and we've remained friends, and I

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Speaker 1: love her so much. Stephanie Mills is my guest next Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Here on onward with Rosie o'donald