1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: When we interview a guest on this show, I don't 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: just want someone who's in the news. I don't believe 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: in the good get where someone because they're famous or 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: they're in the news and look at me, they're talking 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: to me. I don't find that to be illuminating. In fact, 6 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: that's why oftentimes we have as guests the everyman, and 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: it might be a shopkeeper and hoboken. It might be 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: a person who was a victim of crime and has 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: spoken out and had enough, or someone who's spoken before 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: a school board and said enough. I'm not a famous person, 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: but you're not doing this to my child, and I'll 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: take on this entire school board. Well, our next guest 13 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: is somewhere in between, because he has increasingly become a 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: famous person of late by telling his story, and it's 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: a story not of a famous person, but of a 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: real person. We talk a lot about this transition and 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: transgender issues, boys who want to become girls and girls 18 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: who want to become boys, and whether you have folks 19 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: enabling grooming, you have doctors, and now you're seeing what's 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: called a d transition, which is where a boy wants 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: to become a girl or vice versa. And they begin 22 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: this process and all of a sudden, somewhere along the line, 23 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,839 Speaker 1: they say, wait, that's not what you said was going 24 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: to happen. I don't like my body, I don't like 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: my voice. I don't like how I feel. You didn't 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: solve my problem. You made it worse. And it's particularly 27 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 1: troubling when it happens to a young person because now 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: were they of the age to make such a big decision. 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't. You're not old enough to smoke, 30 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,320 Speaker 1: not old enough to get a tattoo because those are 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: potentially permanent, but you're old enough to change your entire identity. 32 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: And yes, sex is a big part of our identity. 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: Remember when you went to the school dance and they 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: said boys over here and girls over here? Where do 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: you go? I mean, these are tough things. Which bathroom 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: do you go to? What do you do? At certain 37 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: times when they say boys here, girls here? You get 38 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: in this line, You get in this line and you're confused. 39 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: This is a tough issue, and it's not going to 40 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: not be a tough issue. It's always been a tough issue. 41 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: But the question we're struggling with as a society today 42 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: is what about when a child is naturally confused, which 43 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: is what childhood and particularly adolescence is all about. And 44 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: you have adults who are supposed to be educators or 45 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: counselors or helpers or aid ors, and instead they're pushing 46 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: your child into something so permanent that it's irreversible. It's 47 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: a horrifying, horrifying thought. We can talk about transition as 48 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: an adult, but transition for a child is a whole 49 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: different issue. And what if it becomes the trend? What 50 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: if it becomes the bandwagon effect? What if you become 51 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: a celebrated person because you've done this? Now we've encouraged 52 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: people to do this when they may not have otherwise. 53 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: It's fraught with complications. And the one thing we never 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: hear from is people who go through this and wish 55 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: they hadn't, people who go through it and regret it 56 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: until now. Ollie London is somebody I've been following for 57 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: the last few months. Several folks that I follow, writers, podcasters, 58 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: media types had suggested, Hey, you got to see what 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: this guy's writing. It's pretty groundbreaking stuff. His name is 60 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: Olli London and the book is Gender Madness. One man's 61 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle to protect children. Ollie, 62 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: why don't you tell us your story of how you 63 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: got here? 64 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 2: Well, firstly, thank you so much for having me. It's 65 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: a pleasure to be speaking with you and to your listeners. 66 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 2: And really I struggled with a lot of identity issues. 67 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: So I had a difficult relationship with my dad. He 68 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 2: wanted me to be very masculine. He was very emotionally abusive. 69 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: He used to shout at me, curse at me all 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 2: the time, and made me feel very worthless. So I 71 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: developed more of an attachment to my mum. You know, 72 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: I looked at her and felt like I identified more 73 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: with her. I wanted to be more feminine. And as 74 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: a kid growing up, you know, as some kids do, 75 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: I was playing with Barbie dolls. I was playing with 76 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 2: more girls toys. I like the colored pink. And then 77 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: when it got to puberty, I started changing and my 78 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: face I started developing severe acne. I changed my looks completely, 79 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 2: and I started to get bullied a lot at school. 80 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: And you know, kids would say, you know, I look 81 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 2: ugly and lo it disgusting, and then some kids would 82 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: say I look like a girl. And when I would 83 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 2: go to swimming class, I would get severely bullied, which 84 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 2: has really traumatized me. You know, people would basically say 85 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: I had breast or I look pregnant because I was 86 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, chubby, a little bit of 87 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 2: the big kids. So I used to get bullied for that, 88 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: and it really had this knock on effect that traumatized 89 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: me and scarred me for life. So when I became 90 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: an adult, the first thing I wanted to do is 91 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 2: really trying to change myself. And I actually moved to 92 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: house career and that's the plastic surgery capsule of the world. 93 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 2: And no, you see billboards and advertisements for everywhere, and 94 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 2: there's a huge pressure out there to look a certain 95 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 2: way if you want to be successful, if you want 96 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 2: to be happy. You know, you see television adverts, music stars, 97 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: billboards everywhere telling you the only way to achieve happiness 98 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: is to change your looks. So I started having, you know, 99 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: a few surgeries and no surgery, and then a few 100 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: more surgeries after that, and it just didn't satisfy me. 101 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: And I remembered all those people that used to taunt 102 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 2: me and bully me and say that I looked like 103 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: a girl, and I was spending and I just thought, 104 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: you know what, I want to prove these bullies wrong. 105 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: So I started down this very toxic and dangerous path 106 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: of constantly having surgeries, you know, some surgeries. I would 107 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 2: have five surgeries in one day. At one time, I 108 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 2: had eleven surgeries in one day, and it was just 109 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: never enough. And the more I would do, the more 110 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: unhappy I would be inside. So I would project this 111 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 2: unhappiness in the world. And you know, I was questioning 112 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 2: my gender throughout my life, and then you know, started 113 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: becoming very addicted to TikTok and social media, and you know, 114 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: the algorithm was speeding the videos of people saying that, 115 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: you know, the reason you're confused is because you're trans. 116 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: And you know, if you feel like a boy and 117 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 2: I feel like a girl, and people have always told 118 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: you like a girl, it's because you're trans. So I 119 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: started to believe all of this, and it would just 120 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: feed me more and more of this stuff, and eventually 121 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 2: I took the plunge and I underwent facial feminization surgery, 122 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: which was really painful, changing my entire face to become trans, 123 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: and you know, publicly came out and you know, for 124 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 2: a short period of time, which is the case of 125 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: many people that become trans I was extremely happy, you know, 126 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: I felt confident, I felt good. And then suddenly all 127 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: of that change when I realized that, you know, I've 128 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 2: made a really big mistake, and I thought, you know, 129 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: it's now or never. I need to either step back 130 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 2: or continue down this destructive path. 131 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: Ollie, that is a lot to unpack, as I'm sure 132 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,679 Speaker 1: you're aware. I know you've told your story a number 133 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: of times, and I suspect it never fails to shock. 134 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: I want to take them peace by peace, but I 135 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: want to start at the end and work backward. Where 136 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: are you today? Are you happy? Are you content? Are 137 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: you comfortable? 138 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: You know, I'm the happiest I've ever been. And I 139 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: never thought I would get to a point in my 140 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: life where I'd actually be happy. You know, wake up 141 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: every day grateful and feeling blessed. And every day I 142 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 2: wake up and I pray, you know, pray to give 143 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: thanks to God for saving me and for getting me 144 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: out of that dark, toxic place, and just I'm grateful 145 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: for life. And I'm also no I've had a really 146 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 2: realization that I had last year when I started going 147 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: to church and finding faith. My realization was that, no, 148 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: the true path to happiness is helping others. 149 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: Know. 150 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: So I thought, if I can use my experience, as 151 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 2: difficult as it was, if I can share that raw 152 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: emotional journey with the world, No, I can try and 153 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: help all of these other young people, these kids that 154 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: are struggling, that are questioning themselves. No, I can help parents. 155 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: I can give advice to parents that may have their 156 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 2: children going through this. And you know, I've just changed 157 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: as a person. I've realized, you know, the key to 158 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 2: happiness is to help others. And you know Jesus used 159 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: to do and hold. 160 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: Right there, Ollie London is our guest gender madness, one 161 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle to 162 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: protect children things you'll never hear anyone else actually say 163 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: for themselves. 164 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: Under our leadership, we will regain energy independence, massive energy dominance. 165 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: Stabinant stamminance, salminance, staminant. 166 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: Well, if that segment didn't get your attention, I don't 167 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: know what will. It's not every day that you have 168 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: an Englishman with a received pronunciation accent explaining to you 169 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: that he was a boy who identified as a girl 170 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: and began having dozens and dozens of surgeries to make 171 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: himself into a girl, at least physically, and then realized 172 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: that's a mistake, finds faith dreak d transitions and is 173 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 1: here today to tell us about the process physically and emotionally, mentally, 174 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: socially psychologically that occurs throughout all of this, and more importantly, 175 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: something we all have something to do with the political 176 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 1: and cultural implications of all of this. OLLI great start. Wow, 177 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: thank you for being willing to talk about things that 178 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: may or may not be embarrassing or certainly private. Oli 179 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: London is his guest, and yes he's an Englishman. He 180 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: lives in London. If you caught the accent or just 181 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: outside gender madness, one man's devastating struggle with woke ideology 182 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: and his battle to protect children. Now, let's go back 183 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: and start at the beginning. At what age did you 184 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: realize you were different? 185 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: So I started to question myself around age five. So 186 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: when I was at elementary school, you know, I wasn't 187 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: interested in doing the boys' activities, you know, at lunchtime, 188 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: I wouldn't go out and play with the boys and 189 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: do sports. I was more interested in hanging out with 190 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: the girls and just doing girly things, playing with dolls, 191 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,199 Speaker 2: you know, talking about you know, makeup and things like that. 192 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 2: And as a teenager, I didn't fit in at school, 193 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: so I was a real target for bullies. So you know, 194 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 2: bullies can sense someone that's different, so they like to 195 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 2: pick on the weakest person. So they used to target 196 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 2: me every day and bully me horrendously and tell people 197 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 2: not to be my friend and say that was ugly, 198 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 2: laugh at me all the time, and throw things at 199 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: me in the classrooms. So it made me feel so outcast. 200 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: So I became very much withdrawn. I lacked any kind 201 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 2: of confidence, I lacked any kind of self awareness, and 202 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: I just felt terrible about myself. So I really withdrew 203 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: and I told myself, one day, I'm going to change this. 204 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: I'm going to prove these bullies wrong. So that's why 205 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 2: I decided to start changing myself. And I thought, you know, 206 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 2: if I can make myself look better and feel better, 207 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 2: dpt this new identity, that I can eventually prove the 208 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 2: bullies wrong. But in actual fact, I took over from 209 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 2: the bullies because I started technically bullying myself by pushing 210 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: myself through all of these irreversible surgeries, and you know, 211 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: all this emotional damage that I did to myself and 212 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: others around me. 213 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: Looking back now, and I know, based on your writings 214 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: on Twitter, which I've followed, looking back now, understanding where 215 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 1: you were then, why do you think you were not 216 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 1: quote unquote normal? What made you different? Was it physical? 217 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,200 Speaker 1: Was it upbringing? Was what was happening? 218 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: Well, there was a variety of factors, so I couldn't 219 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,560 Speaker 2: pinpoint one specific thing. But it was a combination of 220 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: my strained relationship with my father. And you know, for 221 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: any child growing up, you need that strong, solid relationship 222 00:11:51,280 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 2: with your father, no especially if you're a boy. It 223 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: helps you become a man and helps you grow up 224 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: and stuff. And I had a very difficult relationship with him. 225 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: He always put me down, always made me feel worth 226 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 2: So that really played a lot in my identity struggle. 227 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 2: And then of course the bullying and just these questions 228 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: that I was never good enough. You know, I had 229 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 2: severe body dysmorphia, questions of gender, but back when I 230 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: was a kid, it wasn't really a possibility or a 231 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: thing that you can just suddenly change your gender, you know, 232 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: I mean if I grew up now, it would be 233 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 2: completely different. I would have been on the hormones and 234 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: puberty blockers at age twelve. So you know, I'm grateful 235 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: that I made these decisions as an adult and not 236 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: as a child. But no, I think there was a 237 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 2: variety of factors that led me to have that, you know, 238 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: just struggling with body dysmorphia and all of these combined 239 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: factors depression, and you know, it just makes you think 240 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 2: feel bad about yourself. So you think, you know, is 241 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: there an alternative? Can I get a new identity that's 242 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: going to give me happiness? And you know, look how 243 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: people that change your identity are treated. You're praised as stunning, 244 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: your brave. Look at you know, Dylan mulviney. You're treated 245 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: as some kind of hero for doing you know, the 246 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 2: bare minimal of just changing your pronouns. So you know 247 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: that really played a part. 248 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: Alie London as our guest. The book is Under Madness, 249 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 1: one man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle 250 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: to protect children. Will get to the children part of that. 251 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: First we're talking about back when you were a child, 252 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: and now we've got some time in between where you 253 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: can look back and reflect. I want to delve deeper 254 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: and let me just tell you a real quick story 255 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: to give you some context. I was giving a speech 256 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago and a woman came up 257 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: to me, and it was at a Republican conservative event. 258 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: She pulled me aside and she said, my son identifies 259 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: as a woman. I don't know what to do. What 260 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: should I do? And I said, ma'am, I'm not an 261 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: expert in this. I don't really have firsthand experience with this. 262 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: You probably need to get some help, with some help 263 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: from people that you can trust. And she said, well, 264 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: the counselors are pushing him to transition, and I'm worried 265 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: that that's irreversible, and that scares me. Since that time, 266 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: I have been approached either in person, which is not 267 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: out very often, but by email a lot with these 268 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: sorts of things anywhere from hey, please be kind to 269 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: these people. There's somebody's child, even if you don't approve 270 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: of what they're doing all the way to what do 271 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: I do? I'm scared? What would you tell parents? Because 272 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: this is turning out to be more common, whether it's 273 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: natural or it's being pushed. What do you tell parents 274 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: knowing what you know. 275 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: Now, but it really is a terrifying and difficult experience 276 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 2: for any parents. And you know, I get so many 277 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 2: parents messaging me every single day asking for advice, and 278 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 2: you know, it's such a tricky situation because you know, 279 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: all parents want the best of their child. They want 280 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 2: to see their child happiness. So when they see their 281 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: child struggling, you know, with gender and they want to 282 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: change their identity, it is a heartbreaking thing for a parent. 283 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 2: You know, I don't blame all of the parents, you know, 284 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: some of the parents that go ahead and medically transition 285 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: their children. I don't blame all of those parents because 286 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: a lot of them are being led astray by doctors 287 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: and like you you said correctly, therapists and counselors, because 288 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: they're not all people out there. You know, there's a 289 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: lot of people that are on the payroll of these hospitals. 290 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: So it will have a therapist, for instance, that the 291 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: child would be referred to the therapists regarding their issues 292 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 2: of gender identity, and the therapists will immediately refer them 293 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: to the hospital and they'll be put on you know, 294 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: hormones and pubery blockers, so it's a heartbreaking situation. But 295 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 2: I would just say to any parent out there. I 296 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 2: know some of the kids they don't like to speak 297 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: their parents. It's an awkward conversation, but just try your 298 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: best to speak to them, because there's nothing worse than 299 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 2: that child, you know, being at school, being around people 300 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 2: that are telling them to change, and you know, teachers, counselors, 301 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: they're going on TikTok, and you know the parent not 302 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: being aware of that. So the first step is to 303 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: have that conversation with the child and no matter how 304 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: difficult it might be for them, you know, speak to 305 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: their child, ask them where has this come from? And 306 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 2: you know they might say no, Mum and dad, I 307 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: want to be trans. Ask them, why do you feel 308 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 2: that way? Where has this come from? Is anyone at 309 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 2: school identifying that way? Because most of these kids are 310 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: doing it because it's become a social trend. So you 311 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: see entire groups, particularly of girls at the moment, tire 312 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: groups of girls in a class that will suddenly become 313 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: trans or non binary. So I think parents need to 314 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 2: be really aware and pay very close attention to what's 315 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: being taught at schools. You know, are they teaching these 316 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 2: kids about transitioning. Are there no five trans kids in 317 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: one class that may be convincing your child to become 318 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: trands And just have that conversation. Go and speak to 319 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 2: the teachers and confront them if they're pushing these things 320 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: on kids. And just also try to limit your child's 321 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 2: access on social media because I know it's you know, 322 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: kids like to rebel, kids love being on their phone, 323 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: and for a parent to keep them off their phone, 324 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 2: it's like so difficult because you know what kids are like. 325 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: But I just think if that child is on TikTok 326 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: for three four hours a day and they're being pushed 327 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: on the algorithm trans things and taking hormones and how 328 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 2: easy it is, they're going to become convinced that that 329 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: is the reason they're feeling unhappy. You know, That's what 330 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: happened with me. I saw all these things on TikTok 331 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: and I thought, you know, this is a message from 332 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: the universe or from God that this is meant to be. 333 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: So I think the best thing for parents to do 334 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: is pay close attention to what is going on in 335 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: your child's surrounding, keep a close eye on any particular 336 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 2: changes in your child's life, and no we know teenagers. 337 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: Teenagers go through things. It's very normal they want to 338 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 2: some days. You know, they might want to identify as 339 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 2: at golf or an emo. You might want to identify 340 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: as a pirate. You know, kids do that sometimes. But 341 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: we don't go cut off that child's leg and say, Okay, 342 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: we're going to affirm you as a pirate. That's not 343 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:20,239 Speaker 2: the thing to do. We have to speak with these 344 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: kids and tell them to hang in there, to stay strong. 345 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 2: Because over eighty percent of teens that have severe gender dysphoria, 346 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 2: they actually grow out of it into adulthood. So this 347 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 2: is predominantly a teenage thing. 348 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: That come up against a break Hold with me, if 349 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: you can hang What Olie is saying is parents have 350 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: to be parents don't. When I was growing up, your 351 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: parents could stick in front of the TV and the 352 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: damage was minimal. Now they get on the Internet and 353 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: they are exposed to people who have very nefarious ends 354 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: planned for them. Olli London is our guest coming up 355 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: Gender Madness. One man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and 356 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: his battle to protect your Michael Barry Change a figure 357 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 1: in the system like a too modern day robinho Olli 358 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: London is our guest. His book is Gender Madness, One 359 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle to 360 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: protect children. If you're late to the conversation, you can 361 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: hear the entirety of this hour on our podcast. It 362 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: will be posted shortly after we are off the air 363 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: this evening. Olli London went through a transition from male 364 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: to female and then regretted it, and he's talking about 365 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 1: the process that he went through and why. We ended 366 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: the segment with some advice to parents, which I would 367 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: really boil down to parents. You have to be parents 368 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: if your child is starting to demonstrate new behaviors, talk 369 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: about new things. You need to be involved because other 370 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: kids and tea teachers and counselors and people on the 371 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: internet and TikTok influencers which can have an incredible influence 372 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: on your child, can have your kid ready to like 373 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 1: a liming walk off a cliff and if you're not 374 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: a parent and stop it, these are irreversible changes. Ollie. 375 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: Let's go through the point at which you began doing 376 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: a much more serious thing. We're not talking about clothes 377 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: and lipstick anymore. We're not talking about the favorite color pink. 378 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,199 Speaker 1: You're going under the knife. That's a serious, serious process. 379 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: Talk about your mindset as your willingness or even eagerness 380 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: to do this, and how that progressed, because you're talking 381 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: about a lot of surgeries. 382 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: A lot of surgeries. I mean it was thirty two 383 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 2: procedures in total. I went under the knife nine times, 384 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 2: and like I said, when I did facial feminization, I 385 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: had eleven surgeries in one day. You know, that included 386 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 2: an eye surgery, shaving my eyebrow bone, shaving my forehead, 387 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: lowering my head line, changing my chin, changing my jaw. 388 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 2: So if I put my body and face through a 389 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: lot of you know, processes, and it was very, very 390 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: painful and traumatic. But you know, at the time, I 391 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,479 Speaker 2: thought that was my only fix, that was the only 392 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 2: path to happiness. And that's the mindset a lot of 393 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 2: people have, you know, these young people, they think this, 394 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: if I just do one change, I'm going to be happy. 395 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 2: If I just changed one part of me, that's it. 396 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: But it's a snowball effect, and that's the issue I had. 397 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 2: You know, I discussed this very in depth in the 398 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 2: book of How People Are Susceptible. You know, once you 399 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: start down the path, it's very hard to come off 400 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 2: that path because you feel like you're giving up on yourself. 401 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 2: So I felt that I had to continue down this 402 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: journey to such an extreme that I was putting my 403 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: health at risk. And I remember, I believe around twenty eighteen, 404 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 2: I actually went to Armenia for surgery because in the 405 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 2: UK the surgeons wouldn't perform on me. Went all the 406 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 2: way to Armenia and it was very risky. I went 407 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: to this hospital. It was like a Soviet era hospital. 408 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 2: It was like nineteen fifties. Nobody could speak English, and 409 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 2: I with my life. I had my chest cut off 410 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 2: because I used to get bullied as a kid about 411 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: my male breasts basically, so I actually cut them off 412 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: and I nearly died in that procedure, and you know, 413 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: and that was not my last procedure. I had many 414 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: procedures after that, and I didn't care at the time 415 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: if I died. So it really was a form of 416 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: self harm. And I think a lot of these young people, 417 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: these kids that are wanting to transition, it is almost 418 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 2: a form of self harm because they don't feel good enough, 419 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: but don't feel valuable, and they're trying to get validated. 420 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 2: So by transitioning, they suddenly become validated. People say, you know, 421 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: you're beautiful, you're stunning, and they affirm that identity. You know, 422 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: we see society time and time again, we see examples 423 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: like Dilan Malberney as being praised as getting all these 424 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: brand deals, and kids are looking at that and thinking, 425 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: you know, this is the only way I can achieve success. 426 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 2: You know, this is the only way I'm ever going 427 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: to get attention and be loved. And that's a very 428 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 2: dangerous path. So you know, I was thankfully I woke up, 429 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: but you know, there was many points in these surgeries 430 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 2: that I could have easily died and not And you know, 431 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: my family tried to stop me every time I'd have 432 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: a surgery and I wouldn't listen, I would stop talking 433 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: to them, and it was just awful to put them 434 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: through that. And you know, in retrospect, it's I realized 435 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 2: I was really struggling with mental health and my identity. 436 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 2: And that's why I wrote the book because I want 437 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: to help other young people. I want to help parents, 438 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: because I don't want people to go through this suffering. 439 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 2: It's it's not worth it. 440 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: That is the physical toll. We've talked a bit about 441 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: the mental toll. If someone looks you up, Ali is 442 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: spelled O l I, it's Ali London. You are described 443 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: as a K pop influencer, and you are described as 444 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: a transgender influencer. That was a part of your identity. 445 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: It's probably how you made money. You had quite a following. 446 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: There's this K pop which is big with which is 447 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: an international phenomenon. You became a celebrity out of all 448 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 1: of this. How hard? How much did that drive you further? 449 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,640 Speaker 1: Because I think that's what drives Dila molvany more so 450 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: than any of this other stuff. How much did that 451 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: drive you? And how hard was that to push back 452 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: from and say that's not who I really am? 453 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 2: Right? Well, it did play a big part, because you know, 454 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 2: when you're struggling with your identity and when you've always 455 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: felt worthless, you know, the way my father treats me, 456 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: the way the bullies treats me. I literally just wanted 457 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: to be validated. So by changing myself, having these surgeries, 458 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: changing my identity and doing it publicly, it's that a 459 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 2: form of validation. You know, you get that praise and 460 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: that love that you're craving, and you know, I felt 461 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: so lonely inside. And when you have people saying you 462 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: look beautiful, you look amazing, and you've never had that before, 463 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 2: it's a very addictive feeling. And again, I talk about 464 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 2: social media contagion in the book and psychology and how 465 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: we almost get a dopamine rush every time we get 466 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: some praise online, and the more likes we get, the 467 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,479 Speaker 2: more comments, it drives us. So now I was in 468 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 2: that frame of mind where when I was coming out 469 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: as trans and when I was starting to look more feminine, 470 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 2: I we get so much love and praise and attention, 471 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: and it just made me want to do more extremes. 472 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 2: And I think that that's very much the case with 473 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: Dylan Malbney because he's addicted to that validation and his 474 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 2: identity being affirmed, and really deep down, I think he's 475 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 2: struggling mentally with himself. And the sad thing is, you know, 476 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 2: I'm always calling him out because I've been in that 477 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 2: position before. And you have a duty as an influencer 478 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: on TikTok or whatever. You have a duty to make 479 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 2: sure you're projecting a positive image to young people. And 480 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: I've realized that now I didn't see it at the time, 481 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: but Dylan and every other influence out there, we have 482 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: kids watching our content, you know, thirteen year old's twelve 483 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 2: year olds. Do we want our kids to be confused 484 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: with their gender identity or do we want to be 485 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,719 Speaker 2: a good role model? Because look, if somebody as an 486 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: adult identifies in a different way, that's on them. But 487 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: it's when you're projecting that onto kids, and when you're 488 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 2: actively encouraging kids and making it a trend. I think 489 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 2: that's the issue with social media. And you know, I 490 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: certainly fell victims to that trends, and you we're at 491 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: some of my social media posts because I think I 492 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: could have influenced people. But it's about you know, we're 493 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 2: all thinners in God's eyes. It's about trying to turn 494 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: that around and try to use our experience to help people. 495 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 2: So no, I hope one day, you know, I'm not 496 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: a fan of Dila Molbny, but I pray that one 497 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 2: day he turns his life around and actually realizes the 498 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 2: amount of harmony is causing to so many people. 499 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: Parley London hang Tight. He's the author of Gender Madness, 500 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: One man's devastating struggle with woke ideology and his battle 501 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: to protect children will finish the hour with him to much. 502 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: He is a person of such vision for the country, 503 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: such knowledge of the issues. Michael Berry on top of 504 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: it all, a person who connects with the American people. 505 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: Olli London is our guest. If you'd like to read 506 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: more about him. His name is spelled O l I 507 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 1: and then London, like the city. There is a lot 508 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: out there. There are lots of photos. There are lots 509 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: of descriptions of the surgeries. There lots of descriptions of 510 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: his love life. There are lots of descriptions of Korean 511 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: woman becomes British man, his opinions, and there are books 512 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: detransitioning being one of them, the most recent being gender madness, 513 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: his struggle with woke ideology in his battle to protect children. Allie, 514 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: When you look at influences on children that affect sexual identity, 515 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: I think that children are somewhere on a spectrum for 516 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: most everything. How much do you like football, how much 517 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: do you like hunting? How much do you like being 518 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 1: outside and climbing trees? I think that every child is 519 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: somewhere on a spectrum along that of interests and things 520 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: like this. I'm not talking about ma vi un Ros. 521 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: I'm talking about a child that otherwise would not go 522 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: down this very difficult path. As you yourself say, there's 523 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: a very difficult path to go down. There's almost no 524 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: happy to this. There's so many surgeries, there's so much difficulty, 525 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: there's so much rejection, there's so much confusion for a 526 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: child that will call quote unquote normal that's not naturally 527 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: in that path. Do you think some of those children 528 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: are being redirected down that path and once they get 529 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: started at snowballs? 530 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely. I mean I speak about my experience and 531 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 2: the experience of other people in my book about how 532 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 2: kids are often influenced by factors around them. So that's 533 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: the people around them, that's the environment around them. So, 534 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: like you said, you know, some kids might be influenced 535 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 2: to do football. Maybe that's because their dad is a footballer, 536 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: maybe because their family watch football or their school friends 537 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 2: do it. Kids are very they adapt to what's around them. 538 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: So if they see five kids in their class becoming trends, 539 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: they're going to want to become trans because it seems cool, 540 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 2: it seems trendy. So I think that's the issue. Kids 541 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 2: are so impressionable and so easily influenced to what's around them. 542 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 2: So that's the issue we're having right now, is when 543 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 2: you have schools pushing this on kids, kids are so susceptible. 544 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 2: They're going to pick up on these ideas, they're going 545 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 2: to take them as gospel. And I think that's what's 546 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 2: destroying society right now because we're seeing parents and families 547 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 2: being torn apart by all of this gender identity stuff. 548 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: And we weren't having this ten years ago, and you know, 549 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: it's really become an issue. So I think kids adapt 550 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 2: to what's around them, especially the fact that kids most 551 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,360 Speaker 2: kids now have phones. You know, so many kids are 552 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 2: on TikTok, and if they see something that's trendy and 553 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 2: cool and someone that's getting thousands of likes and comments 554 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 2: because they're sharing their transition story, the kid is going 555 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: to be influenced to do that. It's a bit like 556 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 2: you know, one day a kid might want to be 557 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 2: a dinosaur. If five yol kid might say, Dad, I 558 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,960 Speaker 2: want to be a dinosaur, you don't suddenly affirm that identity, 559 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 2: do you. So I think that's the real issue. Kids 560 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 2: are impressionable, and I think it's so immoral of these hospitals, 561 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 2: these LGBT lobby groups, all of these pride events to 562 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: try and target kids. You know, kids should not be 563 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: involved in any of this because they see it as 564 00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: a trend, They see it as something cool, and they 565 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: see it as a way to get validation. 566 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: When you talk about de transitioning, and that means a 567 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: male in your situation, a male who goes to female 568 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: and then goes back, it seems to me, and again, Ali, 569 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: you know a lot more about this than I do. 570 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: It seems to me that there is a lot more 571 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: press about which makes me believe there's more of this 572 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: of girls who transition into male and then regret it, 573 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: and they're telling their stories the double mastectomy and the 574 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: problems caused by that, and then the work that's done 575 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: on the reproductive organs. I've seen pictures of women, of 576 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: young girls. They'll have a chunk of their thigh pulled 577 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: out to create this mass of meat that's supposed to 578 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: replicate a penis, and they're very disappointed by what they 579 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: end up with, and they're disappointed with the body they're 580 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: left with. Not to mention their legs been mangled. Is 581 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,959 Speaker 1: that more common the female to to male seems to 582 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: be the case where they transition and then D transition 583 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: far more often. 584 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 2: Am I right, Yes, that's correct, and that's the trend 585 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 2: right now. So the majority of people that generally transition 586 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: are male to females, so we do see a lot 587 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: of cases, but in terms of D transitioning and expressing 588 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 2: that regret, we're seeing that with a lot of girls. 589 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many D transitions speaking out as 590 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: Kat Kat Andson, Layla Jane and Chloe Cole, some of 591 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 2: your listeners might be familiar, they've been speaking out. But 592 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: we're seeing this really sudden trend of many, many young 593 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 2: girls cutting off their breast, some at the age of fifteen, 594 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: cutting off their breast because they're being told to be boys. 595 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: And we're seeing entire groups of girls in schools wanting 596 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: to do this, and doctors are selling them a dream. 597 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 2: Doctors are offering them a quick fix. So now imagine 598 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 2: as a teenager, you're struggling with your identity, you're being bullied, 599 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: you're struggling with depression. Many of these kids are also 600 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 2: on the autism spectrum, so they're struggling with all these things, 601 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: and then suddenly a doctor says, I can offer you 602 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 2: a solution to escape all of this pain. All you 603 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 2: need to do is come to my clinic and I'll 604 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: give you some hormones. The kids are going to go 605 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 2: along with that because at the time, as a teenager, 606 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: they want to escape that pain and let all teenagers 607 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 2: go through that, all teenagers go through a struggle. But 608 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: what's happening is children are being fast tracked by these doctors, 609 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 2: so they might only just have one appointment with a 610 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 2: therapist and then they'll get a letter from that therapist 611 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 2: to the hospital saying this person's an ideal candidate for 612 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: gender affirming care, and they're transitioned without even knowing what 613 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 2: they're doing. And what you just described about fallow plasty surgery, 614 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 2: girls are having massive chunks of their thighs or their 615 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 2: arms cut off, massive chunks of skin, and they're left 616 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 2: with scars for life to make a filoplasty, which doesn't 617 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: even function by the way, they're left with bleeding, they're 618 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 2: left with incontinents. When they become an adult, is very 619 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: difficult for them to have intercourse. They have so many problems. 620 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 2: Some of them can't even walk properly after these surgeries 621 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 2: for life, and the doctors aren't telling them that, So 622 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 2: I think it's a gross misconduct for any doctor in 623 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: the world to be doing these surgeries, least of all 624 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: on kids because they're not telling them the side effects. 625 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 2: They're just making money and profiting off these poor vulnerable kids. 626 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: Wow, uh Ali, I have about a minute left. There 627 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 1: are people who criticize you for speaking out as you have. 628 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: This goes against the narrative. What is the most unfair 629 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: thing they say about you to minimize you. 630 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 2: Well, I get it a lot, and it's not just me, 631 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: and I'm a tough guy. I can handle all the 632 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 2: abuse online. But I worry about these eighteen year old 633 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 2: transitions like Cloe called that speak out and share their 634 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 2: story because the abuse anyone gets from speaking on this. 635 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 2: You know, every day I get called a Nazia, get 636 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: compared to hit They're just really horrible, disrespectful things. And 637 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: you know, I get death threats every day. I even 638 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 2: have journalists sending me deaf threats saying they're going to 639 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 2: torture me. I am banned in London. I am banned 640 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 2: from going to any LGBT bar. I'm banned from going 641 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 2: to some restaurants simply because of my views, and you know, 642 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 2: I'm not a transphobic person. I just don't think this 643 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 2: is right what they're doing to kids. And you know, 644 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 2: it's really difficult. You know, I've lost some of my 645 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 2: best friends because of my views, because I'm simply speaking out. 646 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: But you know, at the end of the day, I 647 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: don't I don't care about that because I care about 648 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 2: helping these kids and helping their families and trying to 649 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 2: protect them because you know, I've been through this, I've 650 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 2: witnessed some research. I've done so much research for my 651 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 2: book about all of the things going on right now, 652 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: and it's not fair for these kids to have to 653 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 2: go through this. So no, I take the abuse in 654 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: these woke activists. You know, I have left wing mainstream 655 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: media attacking me all the time, or it won't even 656 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 2: give me an opportunity. You know, you'll never see a 657 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: d transitioner on CNN ever, you know they don't even 658 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 2: allow that conversation because it goes against narratives. So no, 659 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 2: there are a lot of nasty transactivists out there. By 660 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 2: the end of the day, if you can help a 661 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 2: lot of kids and help their parents, that's far more important. 662 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: Ollie, Thank you. For sharing your perspective. This is the 663 00:33:53,320 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: sort of thing that maybe icky, awkward, uncomfortable alien to 664 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 1: most everybody, but it is increasingly invasive in the lives 665 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 1: of our children, and I appreciate you being willing to 666 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: speak out about your story.