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Speaker 4: But I guess I don't even know what a royal
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Speaker 2: It's Texas and Ohio State. We will talk to the
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Speaker 2: head coach, CBS Sports Hall of Famer a little bit
Speaker 2: later on as well. The most must win game of
Speaker 2: the weekend, we'll have that for you coming up. But
Speaker 2: Notre Dame comes back to beat Penn State twenty seven
Speaker 2: to twenty four. And it was such a weird game
Speaker 2: when you think about it, the back and forth with
Speaker 2: this Penn State scores the first ten Notre Dame, the
Speaker 2: next seventeen, Penn State, the next four team and then
Speaker 2: Notre Dame scores the final ten points. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of different directions to go in. I think if you're
Speaker 2: a Penn State fan, you've been down this road before,
Speaker 2: certainly with your head coach. James Franklin doesn't do well
Speaker 2: in games against top ten opponents. In fact, he's three
Speaker 2: and eleven facing a top ten team when his team
Speaker 2: was also ranked in the top ten. That's the worst
Speaker 2: record by any active coach with at least ten such games.
Speaker 2: But give credit to Marcus Freeman Notre Dame. At one
Speaker 2: point I text the dan Nets and I said, I
Speaker 2: don't know if they're going to win, but Penn State's
Speaker 2: a better team than Notre Dame. They had more explosive
Speaker 2: players have due Carter is awesome. I watched him against USC.
Speaker 2: I've watched him twice. Like a true game. Now, you
Speaker 2: can watch highlights and you can make somebody really good
Speaker 2: or really bad in a highlight. But he is a
Speaker 2: disruptor and he wasn't one hundred percent. And we kept thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: they got a running attack, that offensive line was great,
Speaker 2: and I was just waiting for Drew Aller to be
Speaker 2: who I guess we thought he was. That he was
Speaker 2: not going to make mistakes, spat it around. The wide
Speaker 2: receivers for Penn State didn't have a reception. That's really
Speaker 2: really hard to do. But Notre Dame hung in there.
Speaker 2: You know, when Riley Leonard got knocked down, I thought
Speaker 2: he had a concussion. And then you have the backup
Speaker 2: quarterback who comes in and leads them down to a
Speaker 2: field goal, going six per seven in that drive, and
Speaker 2: I thought that's more than three points because I didn't
Speaker 2: know if Riley Leonard was going to be able to
Speaker 2: come back. It in play. The backup quarterback who's been
Speaker 2: there for I don't know, two or three years, waiting
Speaker 2: his turn while they bring in all these transfers and
Speaker 2: they get a field goal, and it just felt like
Speaker 2: it was ten to three, but it felt like it
Speaker 2: was ten to ten. Penn State looked like they should
Speaker 2: have been up by thirteen, fourteen points. I thought they
Speaker 2: were that good, but they just didn't make a big
Speaker 2: play when they needed to. And then you had the
Speaker 2: interception late in the game that led to the game
Speaker 2: winning field goal. Here's Marcus Freeman on his team last night.
Speaker 6: In the second half, he made some Jeremiah Love plays,
Speaker 6: and you know when it speaks volumes to the heart
Speaker 6: he has. He gave everything he had to this place.
Speaker 6: He did not have to play today, and you know
Speaker 6: nobody would have bet it an I, but he put
Speaker 6: team in front of himself and how he felt. And
Speaker 6: we got a whole bunch of guys like that in
Speaker 6: the locker room, and that's why we're in this position.
Speaker 2: Here is the call Notre Dame Radio Network with the
Speaker 2: game winning field goal by Mitch Jeter. Goot snap good hold,
Speaker 2: kick on its way and.
Speaker 7: The kick is good.
Speaker 8: It's Jeter who's seventh second.
Speaker 1: Left gives the.
Speaker 9: Irish hold twenty seven twenty four Notre Dame.
Speaker 2: He's on the precipice. Yes, and they've also done maybe
Speaker 2: the impossible. They're kind of likable. Whether you know I
Speaker 2: grew up a Notre Dame fan, but if you're not
Speaker 2: a Notre Dame fan, like I don't think you go, well,
Speaker 2: I hate Marcus Freeman Like Marcus Freeman's a guy I'd
Speaker 2: want to play for. And you can get that. Remember
Speaker 2: when he got the head coaching job, when Brian Kelly left,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden he walks into the room,
Speaker 2: into the locker room, and his players erupted like it
Speaker 2: was such a cool moment. Now, granted, you know some
Speaker 2: of those players aren't there anymore, but that feeling is
Speaker 2: still there. And then they made the right place when
Speaker 2: they needed to. And you know, right before Drew Alert
Speaker 2: throws that interception, Greg McElroy said, hey, you know he
Speaker 2: takes care of the football until he didn't. Here is
Speaker 2: the quarterback for Penn State on that turnover.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean I was going through my progression, got
Speaker 10: to the backside, and honestly, I was just trying to
Speaker 10: dirt it at his feet. But just I should have
Speaker 10: just thrown it a way when I felt the first
Speaker 10: two progressions not open, just because of the situation we
Speaker 10: were in. But I was just trying to dirt it
Speaker 10: out Amari's feet. So but just did to execute what I.
Speaker 2: Was trying to do, and he was hit when he
Speaker 2: threw it. And it's one of those plays that you
Speaker 2: still have two timeouts left, little less than a minute
Speaker 2: to go, and you know the fact that you have
Speaker 2: two timeouts and you have a little bit of time
Speaker 2: on the clock, that's why you're not going to play
Speaker 2: for overtime. You're not going to you know, you're trying
Speaker 2: to do something and I think that they got a
Speaker 2: little too aggressive there instead of throwing the ball away obviously,
Speaker 2: but for Notre Dame. Now they wait for the winner
Speaker 2: of tonight's game with Ohio State and Texas. By the way,
Speaker 2: Ohio State is the favor to win the national title.
Speaker 2: Bennett's Notre Dame and Texas. Ohio State is a six
Speaker 2: point favorite coming up tonight, Pole question Today's Seaton. By
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Speaker 11: I don't know if he can call them up right away,
Speaker 11: but he has one here that was interesting. Would you
Speaker 11: rather be today, James Franklin or Brian Kelly?
Speaker 12: Wow?
Speaker 4: Wow, Wow, voters take your place.
Speaker 2: Dang, where did that come from?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: One's working on an accent, one's gonna, you know, playing
Speaker 5: for a national title.
Speaker 2: Uh well, no, he's not playing for a national type. Well,
Speaker 2: a lot of.
Speaker 11: People were pointing out, let's say that Brian Kelly left
Speaker 11: Notre Dame because he wanted to go to a place
Speaker 11: where he could win a national title. That is true,
Speaker 11: and thus far, well, he struggled to be anywhere close
Speaker 11: to that. I would rather be Brian Kelly today. I
Speaker 11: would rather be Brian Kelly because once again this this
Speaker 11: stays with James Franklin.
Speaker 2: He can't win. He doesn't win now, is it all
Speaker 2: on him? No? But you know it still comes back
Speaker 2: to you. It's on your one loss record. It's not
Speaker 2: on Drew Awler's one lost record as much as it
Speaker 2: is James Franklin. And it's not a coincidence. He just
Speaker 2: doesn't win when his team is ranked in the top ten.
Speaker 2: He doesn't beat top ten opponents. Yeah.
Speaker 11: So when you have like this, that's like, you know,
Speaker 11: wide receivers had like zero touches, zero yards, zero touchdowns. Yeah,
Speaker 11: you put that more on the head coach for not
Speaker 11: finding a way to get his receivers of the ball.
Speaker 11: Then you do the quarterback who has to get it there? Well,
Speaker 11: I would say both yeah, yeah, I would say obviously
Speaker 11: shared responsibility, but.
Speaker 2: I'd put it on the offensive coordinator. Yeah, and James Franklin, Like,
Speaker 2: you want to put your players in a position to succeed,
Speaker 2: and so that's why you have coaches. They need to
Speaker 2: be coached to be put in positions to succeed. It's
Speaker 2: really hard to not have a reception if you your
Speaker 2: Penn State wide receivers and nobody has a reception. And
Speaker 2: I still watching that first half, I kept thinking, boy,
Speaker 2: they better score points and you got a great tight end.
Speaker 2: It just felt like all else fails go to Warren.
Speaker 2: They had a running game, you had two running backs,
Speaker 2: offensive line, you had a defensive player might have been
Speaker 2: the best player on the field. Like it was all there.
Speaker 2: It matched up for you. I mean, Riley Leonard played
Speaker 2: well in the second half through for one hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty yards, but you're still watching, and I just thought
Speaker 2: Penn State should be dominating, like physically dominating this game.
Speaker 2: And then it's it's almost like Notre Dame got that
Speaker 2: confidence boost. Then Ridley Leonard comes back and they kind
Speaker 2: of it's almost like when you face Mike Tyson, not
Speaker 2: that Penn State is Mike Tyson, but you have to
Speaker 2: survive the first two rounds and then once you do,
Speaker 2: then you gain confidence. And it's like Notre Dame was
Speaker 2: getting hit and then they're like, all right, we're hanging
Speaker 2: in here, hanging in here, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: they didn't get knocked down, they didn't get knocked out,
Speaker 2: and I think that's a testament to them, and they
Speaker 2: made some big plays when they needed to. Would anybody
Speaker 2: want to be James Franklin over Brian Kelly today?
Speaker 7: Yes, Paul today. It's painful, but you're close. You're not
Speaker 7: off the map right now. LSU with all that talent,
Speaker 7: not being in the playoff picture is more embarrassing. Okay,
Speaker 7: By the way, people in college football like the James
Speaker 7: Franklin nickname small game James wow.
Speaker 2: D Okay, set a big game James. Okay, dang, Yes, Ton.
Speaker 4: I would agree with Pauli that you got it to
Speaker 4: the final four.
Speaker 5: I know you didn't get over the hump just yet,
Speaker 5: but you're extremely relevant and something to build on, and.
Speaker 4: They were one of the last four teams. So I'd
Speaker 4: rather be James.
Speaker 11: Frank Okay, Seaton, right, I think you want to be
Speaker 11: playing at the bare minimum even if you're even if
Speaker 11: you are, say, small game, James, you at least got
Speaker 11: to the big game.
Speaker 2: To not be able to you know, you lost it,
Speaker 2: But yeah, I guess I don't want that reputation if
Speaker 2: I can't win a big game and it's there, and
Speaker 2: we thought that going into I just thought, you know what,
Speaker 2: somehow Someway Notre Dame wins this game, even though I
Speaker 2: thought Penn State was far and away the better team,
Speaker 2: certainly in that first half. Yes, Marvin, Then what's Brian
Speaker 2: Kelly's reputation? Maybe the guy who left Notre Dame to
Speaker 2: try to win titles and then Notre Dame won a
Speaker 2: national title?
Speaker 13: Forgive me Brian. Wait wait, wait, no, that's not nice
Speaker 13: because he hadn't even won all of his games.
Speaker 2: You no, yes, it's still early, but Marcus Freeman did
Speaker 2: the impossible. He made Notre Dame likable at least. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'm overstating this, but I just get the feeling that
Speaker 2: people watch Notre Dame and they're like, okay, all right,
Speaker 2: you know kind of spunky here.
Speaker 11: Yes, yes, Brian Kelly got to the National Championship game,
Speaker 11: and Notre Dame's still hasn't gotten the stink off of
Speaker 11: them yet.
Speaker 2: From that game.
Speaker 11: They got destroyed us. They got absolutely destroyed by Alabama.
Speaker 11: That was his one moment of let's see what happens
Speaker 11: when you get the big game.
Speaker 2: He at least got to the big game.
Speaker 11: Notre Dame still isn't taken seriously as a football program
Speaker 11: because of that one game.
Speaker 2: And I'm a Notre Dame fan, and that one game
Speaker 2: was so bad. That's when you realized that there was
Speaker 2: a difference between the SEC and everybody else, or you
Speaker 2: were reminded that there's a big difference because you watched.
Speaker 2: When you watch Notre Dame, it's like and I always
Speaker 2: thought maybe their cleats are heavier than everybody, and like
Speaker 2: they always seemed slower when they were facing Alabama because
Speaker 2: Alabama came in. It's like uh, you guys are supposed
Speaker 2: to be good. They blew them out. It's a different
Speaker 2: Notre Dame team. You know, it's not a finesse team.
Speaker 2: You know, they had to kind of sec that lineup
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 13: Yes, Marvin, wait, hold on, Notre Dame got molly wopped
Speaker 13: by Clemson also in the final four. That maybe the
Speaker 13: Cotton Bowl. Okay, they got Look it's probably thirty three
Speaker 13: to three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was a while ago, two eighteen. That's
Speaker 2: that's an internity.
Speaker 11: It's definitely way more recent than the example I gave.
Speaker 11: Correct was twenty thirteen, So correct.
Speaker 2: I think I'd still rather be Brian Kelly than I
Speaker 2: would James Franklin today. But that's a great poll question.
Speaker 2: You know, I'll ask Chris Fowler that dh and he
Speaker 2: just canceled. Yeah. Yeah, we normally don't have you know,
Speaker 2: sometimes you get people say, hey, uh, you know, he'll
Speaker 2: do the interview, but not Chris. But you know we'll
Speaker 2: have gas Lit said, but you can't ask about and
Speaker 2: normally it's the question I wasn't going to ask that
Speaker 2: they bring up to me that I go, oh, maybe
Speaker 2: I should ask that question.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Paulie, I'm not going to give names, but a
Speaker 7: major music artist was coming in studio, and the last
Speaker 7: thing we heard from the pub is a was don't
Speaker 7: ask about what happened in Vegas last week. We had
Speaker 7: no idea until we looked it up and we're like, okay.
Speaker 2: Oh dang, yeah, I'm like, I want to ask that.
Speaker 2: So anything interesting what goes on in Vegas? Stas he
Speaker 2: was thinking was in Vegas? It was really a lot
Speaker 2: of fun. Ever been there?
Speaker 5: Yes, that's actually happened a number of times.
Speaker 4: Don't ask him what the cops founded his trunk. He
Speaker 4: doesn't want to get it.
Speaker 2: Talk about, okay, what they found in his trunk. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I remember right before we were gonna have Barry Bonds
Speaker 2: on and we were told this is they're going to
Speaker 2: hand him the phone, and he was on and he
Speaker 2: was I think he was promoting a new personality. And
Speaker 2: maybe it was KFC or maybe it was his home
Speaker 2: security uh company. I don't know what it was. But
Speaker 2: they're like, all right, Barry's joining us from spring training,
Speaker 2: and hey, before if we're not talking about stairs there
Speaker 2: any of that stuff, and you know, blah blah blah bah,
Speaker 2: here's bar I go wait on, hold on here I
Speaker 2: have to I have to do and I can't have
Speaker 2: bonds on and then go, hey, so what do you
Speaker 2: attribute your growth to? Now thirty seconds, you're gonna give
Speaker 2: me ground rules. I'm like, no, tell Dan no baseball questions.
Speaker 2: It's cream clear.
Speaker 4: People going to jail for him. We we're not getting to.
Speaker 2: It all right, We're just getting started here. Chris Fowler
Speaker 2: will join us. He'll be on the call tonight for
Speaker 2: Texas and Ohio state.
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Speaker 2: Chris Fowler, he'll be on the call. It's the Cotton
Speaker 2: Bowl coming up tonight, Texas, Ohio State Herbie will be there,
Speaker 2: Holly row Laura Rutledge festivities on the mother Ship starting
Speaker 2: at seven point thirty Eastern. He'll also be on the
Speaker 2: call for the National Title game. Here's your question, Chris. Oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, it's a good thing they're not playing
Speaker 2: the game outdoors. Look outside there in Dallas, wintrey.
Speaker 12: We had like a nice wintry mix. It was snow
Speaker 12: that became hail, sleep, rain, yesterday. It's wild. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 12: it gets frigid also, like very cold and windy. The
Speaker 12: at and T is right behind me here out that window.
Speaker 12: It's hard to see, but it's got so in the
Speaker 12: top of it, and it's nice and warm even in
Speaker 12: cold weather. Some stadiums are cold when it's cold outside
Speaker 12: because they don't have heat in them, and this one
Speaker 12: is nice and toasty, So good setting.
Speaker 2: All right, here's the question I'll start the conversation with,
Speaker 2: would you rather be James Franklin this morning or Brian Kelly.
Speaker 12: Oh Man, I got to pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I mean, I think James Franklin's team. It was a
Speaker 12: it was a good run. I mean, it's a heartbreaking
Speaker 12: way to lose the game. Some of those plays that
Speaker 12: decide it will haunt probably him and his team for
Speaker 12: a while. But I think there's a lot to be
Speaker 12: proud of what Penn State did and Battle of the End,
Speaker 12: and I don't think they have anything to really be
Speaker 12: embarrassed about it at Penn State. If you're James Franklin,
Speaker 12: certainly you know, I think You've answered some questions. Some remain,
Speaker 12: But I think it was a really good year of
Speaker 12: Penn State.
Speaker 2: But When we talk about James Franklin, it's about his
Speaker 2: record against top ten teams. I mean, that's really what
Speaker 2: his resume seems to be about. Is that fabite?
Speaker 12: Well, it's whatever the media decides it's about. I mean,
Speaker 12: that's part of it. You are, when you're a program
Speaker 12: at Penn State, you were expected to compete with and
Speaker 12: beat the best your share of the time. Most of
Speaker 12: those losses are to Ohio State, you know, And I
Speaker 12: was wondering if that was going to be the narrative
Speaker 12: at Penn State. One last night, Ohio State wins tonight,
Speaker 12: another rematch in an all Big ten game and in
Speaker 12: a series that obviously Ohio States dominated, and I called
Speaker 12: the last time Penn State beat them was a block
Speaker 12: field goal run back by Grand Haley on a whiteout night.
Speaker 12: It's been since then. So we're not going to get
Speaker 12: that narrative. And I think that's okay because I don't
Speaker 12: know how much national belief there would be the Penn
Speaker 12: State could get over the hump against the red hot
Speaker 12: Buckeye seen if that's what happened. So we don't have
Speaker 12: that narrative, but I you know, again, yeah, he's gonna
Speaker 12: have to get better they get the beat Ohio State
Speaker 12: once in a while, but I don't. I don't think
Speaker 12: that's sorely laughing. I gotta be honesty. I just don't
Speaker 12: you know, you want to look at Ohio State against
Speaker 12: SEC teams who are ranked in the top five. I
Speaker 12: spin this back because Buckeye fans know that James Franklin's
Speaker 12: stats is okay, Well, if that's relevant, Is it relevant
Speaker 12: that Ohio State's won seven and one all time against
Speaker 12: SEC top five teams, which Texas is No, I don't
Speaker 12: think so at all. So you can you can spin
Speaker 12: stats any way you want. I mean, would you have
Speaker 12: loved the game, won the game?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 12: Could they have? Should they have?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 12: But I don't think that that that's on James Franklin
Speaker 12: for sure.
Speaker 2: Do you ever have announcer envy when you're watching a game?
Speaker 2: Of course, ye, all the time.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 12: I mean I would not have minded calling the Orange Bowl.
Speaker 12: I live in Miami. For one thing, it is not
Speaker 12: wintry in Miami. I really had expectations for that game
Speaker 12: last night that unfolded. I don't know who's going to win,
Speaker 12: but I was a Notre Dame practice this week. I
Speaker 12: saw the Irish. I a forecast the kind of game
Speaker 12: we got. It was going to be three points either way.
Speaker 12: It's going to come out of the last possession. I
Speaker 12: don't mind calling games coming out of the last possession.
Speaker 12: I would love for this game tonight not to be
Speaker 12: a first round knockout. But listen, Dan, I mean, like,
Speaker 12: who am I to whine of at anything? This is
Speaker 12: our twenty third playoff game the Kirk and I have
Speaker 12: had the privilege to call tonight. That's a big number
Speaker 12: going back to the first one in twenty fourteen. So
Speaker 12: I don't let my envy get in the way of
Speaker 12: having a good time calling whatever I'm calling. But yeah,
Speaker 12: that's a hell of a game to call last night.
Speaker 2: But when you're calling a game like this, I know
Speaker 2: they're supposed to be like it's just another game, but
Speaker 2: it's not just another game. But then you have to
Speaker 2: stay in your comfort zone. Do you ever have that
Speaker 2: kind of conflicting Am I adding too much or not enough?
Speaker 2: Am I excited? Am I favoring somebody or not realizing it?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Do you process any of that while you're getting ready
Speaker 2: or while you're doing it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You do.
Speaker 12: I don't think I have to worry about favoring somebody,
Speaker 12: because if you honestly don't care about the outcome and
Speaker 12: separate yourself from that, then you don't have to worry
Speaker 12: about it. And it's all in the ear of a
Speaker 12: holder anyway. You know, the fans listening, you're gonna think, oh,
Speaker 12: he loves the other team, Toby, so look's listen to
Speaker 12: the call and the other side say it's the same thing.
Speaker 12: I mean, you know, you get excited when when good
Speaker 12: things happen on the field, and I don't even think
Speaker 12: about who's in the uniform that's doing it. I think
Speaker 12: that you do a lot of these games, you want
Speaker 12: to strike the balance between certainly not being jaded because
Speaker 12: you've done a lot of big games and I don't
Speaker 12: think we ever come across as being jaded or hey
Speaker 12: and they're done that. It's going to take a lot
Speaker 12: to impress us. But you also don't want to come
Speaker 12: out of your shoes in the first quarter. You have
Speaker 12: to you know, you have to save something for the
Speaker 12: finish because you can't start the game out at eleven
Speaker 12: and then there's nowhere to go. So yeah, I think
Speaker 12: you learn over time that you know a measured approach
Speaker 12: is good. But you know, when Ohio States scored touchdowns
Speaker 12: in the first two plays of the game and Jeremiah
Speaker 12: Smith is doing something special, you know, Okay, you're gonna
Speaker 12: get really excited about that, and you're gonna get excited
Speaker 12: when the other team starts to come back and make
Speaker 12: it a game. Well, we all want we want close games.
Speaker 12: I have the same agenda. Who do you like. I
Speaker 12: like a close game. I like a competitive game that
Speaker 12: viewers like, the people who are not just hardcore fans
Speaker 12: of the winning team enjoy, because Ohio State fans enjoyed
Speaker 12: the hell out of those first two playoff games, so
Speaker 12: we did. If you want a competitive game like last night,
Speaker 12: not so much. So you know I want. I want
Speaker 12: this to be a battle worthy of the occasion, which
Speaker 12: last night' semifinal was.
Speaker 2: Chris Fowler will be on the call with Herbie tonight
Speaker 2: the Goodyear Cotton Bowl. That'll be on ESPN. They started
Speaker 2: seven thirty Eastern. Feels like we're underestimating Texas a little
Speaker 2: bit and having and I don't know if it's a
Speaker 2: home field advantage Ohio State travels, well, I don't know
Speaker 2: what kind of sense you'll get of this is a
Speaker 2: home ish game for Texas.
Speaker 12: Ryan Dave's always really concerned about the crowd. We were
Speaker 12: obviously at Tennessee. Came in and brought a lot of
Speaker 12: fans of Ohiowa. Stadium got fired up for Bluck guys.
Speaker 12: You know, it felt like the Roman Coliseum or something,
Speaker 12: and the visitors brought a lot of people, and Ohio
Speaker 12: State responded in that way. At the Rose Bowl, He's going,
Speaker 12: what do you think is it's sixty to forty is
Speaker 12: I don't know what the crowd is. There's a lot
Speaker 12: of greed, there's a lot of scarlet. I mean tonight,
Speaker 12: there's going to be a lot of pear orange in there.
Speaker 12: I don't think it's going to decide the game, but
Speaker 12: I do think. You know, there's an advantage to playing
Speaker 12: Texas in Texas. You know, if you're the Longhorns, they
Speaker 12: haven't had great success in this building. To be honest
Speaker 12: with you, they have won up. They haven't played a
Speaker 12: Cotton Bowl game in twenty years. They played a big
Speaker 12: twelve championship game in here. But Ohio State Historic has
Speaker 12: actually done better in this building than Texas has. It
Speaker 12: doesn't mean a lot when they're on the same field
Speaker 12: but you know, Texas, you said underestimated. It's interesting because
Speaker 12: I think we've been overestimating the potential of this team,
Speaker 12: waiting for the pieces to come together, waiting for Texas
Speaker 12: to play a complete sixty minute game in all three phases,
Speaker 12: which they have not really come close to doing it.
Speaker 12: For being honest, they played great football for like thirty minutes.
Speaker 12: They have a terrible record after halftime in these games.
Speaker 12: You know, Sarkisian, he just has to address it. So
Speaker 12: they have to weather the start against Ohio State, as
Speaker 12: everybody does. They're a good starting team. Texas starts well.
Speaker 12: Their defense is the best in the country in the
Speaker 12: first court at limiting plays and limiting points. So a
Speaker 12: lot of say, we'll have to try to change that.
Speaker 12: But Texas Dan they haven't scored a third quarter touchdown
Speaker 12: in like six games. They have an outscored and opponent
Speaker 12: in the second half since they beat Oklahoma in the
Speaker 12: Red River game here in Dallas. That's a long time.
Speaker 12: That's a shocking stat for a really good team. It's
Speaker 12: won thirteen games.
Speaker 2: I go back to, you know the fact that we
Speaker 2: extended the playoffs to twelve teams when Ryan Day lost
Speaker 2: to Michigan. I wonder if there was a four team playoff,
Speaker 2: would Ryan Day have kept his job?
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think you would have, But I think it
Speaker 12: would have been a really long, miserable off season in
Speaker 12: Columbus without the chance to redeem yourself. But we do
Speaker 12: have a twelve team playoff, so I think you have
Speaker 12: to filter it in. I know Ohio State fans. I've
Speaker 12: done some shows and they'll still never forget that game.
Speaker 12: And some people would still rather beat Michigan to win
Speaker 12: a championship, which is lunacy to me. It makes no sense.
Speaker 12: You have to change your thinking in this twelve team
Speaker 12: bracket era. And the fact was the opportunity was there
Speaker 12: for and they they're halfway there. They got a long
Speaker 12: way to go because if they don't win tonight, then
Speaker 12: people will remember the Michigan loss because they didn't win
Speaker 12: a Big Ten, they didn't beat Michigan, and they didn't
Speaker 12: win a national championship. So they're three goals are hoped
Speaker 12: for three. There's a lot on the line for Ohio
Speaker 12: State and they responded really well to that urgency so far,
Speaker 12: so we'll see if they and keep doing it.
Speaker 2: Handicap the format for the playoffs. Let's say next year
Speaker 2: you have total autonomy, changes do you make?
Speaker 12: I think there's tweaks that need to be made to
Speaker 12: the regular season leading into the playoff. I think eventually
Speaker 12: the conference championship games don't really have a place in this,
Speaker 12: especially in the conference is like the Big Ten of
Speaker 12: the SEC. Both teams are going to make it every year.
Speaker 12: It's an extra layer of games. If you really care
Speaker 12: about workload, wear and tear, then you have to look
Speaker 12: at that. I mean, these teams have been preparing for
Speaker 12: this sixteen to seventeen game season from the start, and
Speaker 12: the smart programs we're doing that the ones that had
Speaker 12: the resources and the roster to do that. Texas did it.
Speaker 12: Ohio State did it very intentionally, cranking back to tempo,
Speaker 12: not playing at piper speed, playing one hundred and fifty
Speaker 12: less plays in the regular season to save their players
Speaker 12: for this. It's worked really well. But going forward, I
Speaker 12: think if you took the conference championship out of it,
Speaker 12: that would help a little bit. I think that you
Speaker 12: need to do away with the ad buys for the
Speaker 12: four highest ranked conference winners. I think that's a pretty
Speaker 12: popular opinion. You see Arizona State Boys the state. They
Speaker 12: didn't play badly. I just thought think that that you
Speaker 12: deserve a top four seed by winning a conference. I
Speaker 12: think you should get in the bracket. I'm all for inclusivity.
Speaker 12: Maybe even give an extra uh, maybe make the American
Speaker 12: Conference get an automatic bit. But don't see them based
Speaker 12: on act but one through twelve play it out like
Speaker 12: they do it college basketball.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 12: You don't get an automatic seeding for winning in a conference.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to script this for you. Texas is
Speaker 2: down by four late and Arch Manning comes in, comes
Speaker 2: off the bench. Okay, you cut away to the Manning family.
Speaker 12: It's hard, they're hard to find.
Speaker 3: They high.
Speaker 12: Well, Cooper's hard to find and they will find them though.
Speaker 2: Well you don't. We don't care about Cooper. We care
Speaker 2: about Arch and Payton and Eli and then and then
Speaker 2: whatever happens from there. They have the ball, they're down
Speaker 2: four and here comes Arch Manning savior.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you have one of those stories that you write
Speaker 12: a movie that sounds like movie script. What you just
Speaker 12: laid out right, what it'd be more movie like? If
Speaker 12: he wins the game and the legend is born. There's
Speaker 12: a reason why you wes just playing the game though,
Speaker 12: And I think, you know, if that happens, if when
Speaker 12: yours got hurt, that would be tough. You know, he
Speaker 12: is an Ohio State recruit. We know that he spent
Speaker 12: a year there. He is the original nil quarterback at court,
Speaker 12: he really is. He was like the curtain flood you
Speaker 12: know of free agency, right, that's an old reference. How
Speaker 12: many people get that reference? But you know he ushered
Speaker 12: in the NIL era and cashed in really well at
Speaker 12: two places. Good for him. So obviously facing his former
Speaker 12: school and that's a big plotline coming in if he
Speaker 12: gets knocked out of the game and artists to go
Speaker 12: in there. I mean, I don't like to see players fail.
Speaker 12: It's tough to watch interceptions decide games like it did
Speaker 12: last night for Dreuell.
Speaker 1: That's tough.
Speaker 12: You know, it'll haunt him. I don't like to see
Speaker 12: kickers choke. I don't like to see quarterbacks make mistakes
Speaker 12: that decide games. So in your storybook script, man goes
Speaker 12: down in Texas wins the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you take it from there. Okay, Uh, well,
Speaker 2: great to hear from me.
Speaker 12: What would you hear from me?
Speaker 2: No, I said, great to hear from you? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I thought I figured that. You know, you're busy. You
Speaker 2: probably got to work out today. Herbie going to spot
Speaker 2: you on the bench.
Speaker 12: Uh, he doesn't get in the gyms much, but I
Speaker 12: don't live so much any of the spotter. I'll be
Speaker 12: all right, te bows around to spot me. Dude's working
Speaker 12: out in the gym like four times a day.
Speaker 2: I see, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, you're not putting up
Speaker 2: the same weight.
Speaker 12: No, we are not in the same weight class. Speaking
Speaker 12: of busy, you either love Christmas, you're really busy, or
Speaker 12: you're just too lazy to take the tree down. I know,
Speaker 12: how long is a tree?
Speaker 3: Going to say?
Speaker 12: There?
Speaker 2: All the above, By the way, that I love Christmas,
Speaker 2: I don't the guy who takes down the tree his
Speaker 2: girlfriend just had a baby, so that he normally takes
Speaker 2: down the tree. So I'm gonna blame him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all else fails, I blame it on my staff.
Speaker 2: Have fun tonight, thanks for joining us as always, Chris
Speaker 2: all right, that's Chris Faller. He'll be with Herbie tonight
Speaker 2: seven point thirty in the Cotton Bowl.
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Speaker 2: We say good morning to the Arizona State head football
Speaker 2: coach Kenny Dillingham. Had an unbelievable season, took Texas to
Speaker 2: a couple overtimes before being bounced from the postseason. Kenny,
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us. How many times have you watched
Speaker 2: that game?
Speaker 9: Too many? Way, way too many? Probably ten to twelve times.
Speaker 2: But what are you trying to get out of that
Speaker 2: when you watch?
Speaker 9: To be honest, just what tips did they have to
Speaker 9: give their players an advantage? And if we ever played
Speaker 9: them again, what could we do to give our players
Speaker 9: an advantage? I mean nothing more or less than that.
Speaker 2: Do you watch alone?
Speaker 9: I do?
Speaker 2: Do you drink beers when you want? I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: can you have a little bit of fun when you're
Speaker 2: watching this coach?
Speaker 9: Sometimes usually when you win you do that. When you lose,
Speaker 9: you try to drown in the sorrows.
Speaker 2: But what is it that you could have done? If
Speaker 2: I say, you get one mulligan? What would you have
Speaker 2: done differently?
Speaker 9: I would have had not called a timeout on the
Speaker 9: fourth and one in overtime. I would have let the
Speaker 9: plate eat and it would have converted, and I would
Speaker 9: have had a time out to say for the fourth
Speaker 9: and twelve when yours checked out of it out into
Speaker 9: a cover zero beater.
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say something about the
Speaker 2: targeting no call there.
Speaker 9: I can't control that.
Speaker 2: How painful is that to watch? Because I thought it
Speaker 2: was you could have picked a penalty either defenseless receiver
Speaker 2: or you could have done targeting, and they gave you
Speaker 2: neither of those. What do you see when you see
Speaker 2: that play now over and over?
Speaker 9: I think I see the same thing that everybody sees. Uh,
Speaker 9: that's just it is what it is. Though that's sport.
Speaker 9: There's miss calls, there's calls all there's probably five of
Speaker 9: their calls in the game that nobody talks about that
Speaker 9: probably could have gone against us. So I don't like
Speaker 9: to use those moments as excuses, even though they're the
Speaker 9: big moments and they're what everybody should talk about, because
Speaker 9: people only talk about the big plays, the big moments,
Speaker 9: the big no calls, the big mate calls, whatever it is.
Speaker 9: But there's a lot of things I could have done
Speaker 9: better to help our football team.
Speaker 2: If Ryan Day reached out to you today and said, hey,
Speaker 2: got any tips for me facing Texas? What would you
Speaker 2: tell him.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's on They're they're very physical on the perimeter there.
Speaker 9: They're really good tacklers, and I think that's a great skill.
Speaker 9: I think it's one thing you see on tape, but
Speaker 9: like when you see it live, the size and the
Speaker 9: tackling ability, it's different. Then I would say you have
Speaker 9: to have an ability to check when Quen yours checks.
Speaker 9: You can't let Quen Oures check Texas and a good
Speaker 9: football plays and not change the look. So you better
Speaker 9: create a mechanism defensively to check when he checks.
Speaker 2: Okay, explain how you then can counteract when yours is
Speaker 2: going to check and change the play. Then what is
Speaker 2: your job?
Speaker 9: So you could have like a dual call. So basically
Speaker 9: you say we're going to run field blitz and we're
Speaker 9: going to run cover four and if the quarterback checks,
Speaker 9: then we're going to change from our field blitz call
Speaker 9: to automatically changing to cover four. So he made a
Speaker 9: check based off of field blitz and he wants the
Speaker 9: perfect play versus that we're now going to a complimentary call.
Speaker 9: So having a way, just like offenses have a way
Speaker 9: to when you hear kill kill and the quarterbacks say
Speaker 9: that he's changing calls based off the look, same thing
Speaker 9: for a defense.
Speaker 2: But the fourth and thirteen touch down? Did he check
Speaker 2: out of something he did?
Speaker 9: He checked out of a call in which we felt
Speaker 9: really good about what we were doing into a call
Speaker 9: later on the clock, and you know he didn't unbelievable
Speaker 9: check and then they executed really well.
Speaker 2: What did you think of the Notre Dame Penn State game?
Speaker 9: Unbelievable game. I think Marcus Freeman's an absolute stud of
Speaker 9: a human being. I've been going versus him since I
Speaker 9: was at Florida State when he was the defensive coordinator
Speaker 9: and he was a phenomenal coach then, and I think
Speaker 9: the way he leads people, I think you can see
Speaker 9: his guys play really hard.
Speaker 2: Do you have a clock management guy like Marcus Freeman
Speaker 2: has a guy right next to him? Do you have
Speaker 2: a guy whose only job is to give you clock management?
Speaker 9: I did. It was Matt Butterfield. He just took the
Speaker 9: full time special teams coordinator job though elsewhere, so I'm hiring.
Speaker 9: So if you ever want to hang it out clock
Speaker 9: management guy, let me know.
Speaker 2: I like the colors and I like the climate. I
Speaker 2: just don't know what it pays not what you mean.
Speaker 2: I'll he's the Arizona State head coach Ken Dillingham joining
Speaker 2: us on the program. I'm going to ask Bill Kauer
Speaker 2: about this. We see this with Dan Campbell other coaches.
Speaker 2: They create a culture. It feels like you're creating a culture,
Speaker 2: But I don't know how you go about creating that culture.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think for us, we pick our players, right,
Speaker 9: we recruit our players. So for us, it's recruiting guys
Speaker 9: that are like minded. You know, our three pillars of
Speaker 9: our program are be a good person. It's very simple
Speaker 9: to be a good person, make good decisions. It's very
Speaker 9: simple to make good decisions, and then have more fun,
Speaker 9: working harder than anybody in the country. So what is
Speaker 9: our culture? We better recruit to people that when they
Speaker 9: walk around the building, they have a smile on their face,
Speaker 9: they're excited to be here, they crack a joke, you
Speaker 9: know there they have personality, Because I really think when
Speaker 9: you get people around you that have personality, you wake
Speaker 9: up and you may have a down day and that
Speaker 9: person is going to lift you higher than you would
Speaker 9: have been. And that's culture we're trying to create.
Speaker 2: First time you see Cam skataboo. You your response is
Speaker 2: your reaction is what.
Speaker 9: Man had all those yards? You know he's an underdog.
Speaker 9: There's a reason for him. And but what he's done
Speaker 9: to change his body and to change who he is
Speaker 9: just as a physical specimen, he's the strongest he's ever been,
Speaker 9: least body bet he's ever had, fastest has ever been.
Speaker 9: Mindset's better than it's ever been. He went from a
Speaker 9: really really good football player to somebody who was top
Speaker 9: five in the Heisman vote, and I think he should
Speaker 9: have been higher.
Speaker 2: But so that confidence of just kind of loading him
Speaker 2: up and just say go like he's gonna he knows
Speaker 2: he's going to get We talked to him after the
Speaker 2: loss and he said, look, I know I'm gonna get hurt.
Speaker 2: I know it's going to hurt, but I'm going to
Speaker 2: hurt you as well. Like that kind of physicality. And
Speaker 2: he said, Marshawn Lynch is sort of you know, one
Speaker 2: of his idols or who he runs like.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Scott just as that mindset he gets into.
Speaker 9: He's the nicest kid off the field, super intelligent. People
Speaker 9: think his play style, oh he's crazy. Scott is incredibly intelligent,
Speaker 9: high high IQ and for him to flip a switch
Speaker 9: into this like no way anybody can stop me mode?
Speaker 9: And does that mean he's always not going to be stopped. No,
Speaker 9: Nobody in the history of sports ever been invincible. But
Speaker 9: it means he believes it so much that he's going
Speaker 9: to make plays that people are like, what just happened.
Speaker 9: And every day for the last seven hundred days or whatever,
Speaker 9: seven hundred and eighty days I've coached him, he has
Speaker 9: done something at practice or in a game that I'm like,
Speaker 9: what just happened? That is incredible.
Speaker 2: How often do you go to an opposing team stadium
Speaker 2: and people question if you really are the head coach
Speaker 2: at Arizona State?
Speaker 9: Oh, the way easier question? How often do I does
Speaker 9: that not happen?
Speaker 3: I mean, I look.
Speaker 9: Twelve, so it's you know, when I walk around, it's
Speaker 9: just part of it.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 9: I've been young my whole life, though I started coach
Speaker 9: at seventeen, so I'm very used to the fact. I
Speaker 9: mean I get stopped trying to walk into the field
Speaker 9: before before the peach ball. They're like, you need credentials,
Speaker 9: go back and get them, And I do it. You know,
Speaker 9: at the end of the day, I'm people are doing
Speaker 9: their jobs, so people don't really recognize me. I appreciate it,
Speaker 9: hopefully I look young. When I'm older, you know what
Speaker 9: I mean, and people will be jealous. But right now
Speaker 9: it's just part of it.
Speaker 2: What do you expect to happen tonight between Texas and
Speaker 2: Ohio State?
Speaker 9: I haven't watched enough Ohio State to give like a
Speaker 9: really really good opinion. I know Texas is going to
Speaker 9: be really good on defense. I know they're not going
Speaker 9: to give up big plays, So I think the key
Speaker 9: to Ohio State, I can you think the key to
Speaker 9: the game is how do you stop Ohio State and
Speaker 9: one of the best wide receivers in college football in
Speaker 9: a long time. And you can't just double team them
Speaker 9: because Ohio State's too good.
Speaker 3: To do that.
Speaker 9: So what are you doing to get the quarterback to
Speaker 9: think he's double teamed, move his eyes off of him,
Speaker 9: but him really be singled up? And I think that's
Speaker 9: one of the hidden things in the game, is the
Speaker 9: deception of him being doubled. Can you do that enough
Speaker 9: to single him up and get your hats elsewhere? For Texas?
Speaker 9: And if they can, you know, I think they're both
Speaker 9: really good football teams.
Speaker 2: By the way, when we had cam on he said
Speaker 2: he checked out of that that halfback option that I
Speaker 2: think he said, your quarterback said he was banged up,
Speaker 2: don't throw me the football, and so he changed the play.
Speaker 2: Did you know that?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 9: I saw it live and in person, baby, and on
Speaker 9: fourth than too in the fourth quarter, So that was exciting.
Speaker 3: But he's the.
Speaker 9: Same dude that punted for us last year and checked
Speaker 9: out of a punt versus USC and did this and
Speaker 9: signaled a wide out to run a slam and threw
Speaker 9: it to him for a first down. Same dude that
Speaker 9: caught a toss, scrambled backward ninety seven yards, realized he
Speaker 9: was going to lose yards and threw the ball away.
Speaker 9: His football IQ and his savviness is unbelievable for his
Speaker 9: style of play.
Speaker 2: You strike me as a pregame speech guy.
Speaker 9: Really, yeah, I actually don't give pregame speeches. Our players
Speaker 9: give pregame speeches. This is a player run program. Our
Speaker 9: players give the pregame. Our players make the decisions. I
Speaker 9: am literally a surrogate between the leadership council and the players,
Speaker 9: and my job is to help the leadership council make
Speaker 9: the best decisions for the football team. But I do
Speaker 9: not run the show here. Our players run the show.
Speaker 9: I just helped them get to the best decisions.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Well, like, is there a cut off
Speaker 2: point of what they are allowed to do? And say
Speaker 2: like do they have total autonomy here?
Speaker 9: I mean, if they're going to do something that is bad,
Speaker 9: I'm going to say no, we're not doing that, you know.
Speaker 9: But if I say, do you guys think we should do.
Speaker 3: This or this?
Speaker 9: And I give them options and they vote, I'm doing
Speaker 9: what they vote for. If they say, hey, we need
Speaker 9: a Monday off, we're tired, and I say, you guys
Speaker 9: know what the repercussions of this are, right, means Tuesday
Speaker 9: has to be this. I you guys have to elevate
Speaker 9: Tuesday to another level and they say yes, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 9: Monday's off.
Speaker 3: I firmly believe.
Speaker 9: In extreme ownership, especially in today's day and age, and
Speaker 9: to get a team buy in, you need team commitment,
Speaker 9: team ownership, and I think that was one thing our
Speaker 9: leadership council, the decisions they made, and they could push
Speaker 9: the team to further, my opinion, further than we thought
Speaker 9: we could go. Or people thought we could go because
Speaker 9: there was such buy in, because it was team decisions,
Speaker 9: not a head coach saying we're going to go out
Speaker 9: in practice for two hours and thirty minutes today. In November,
Speaker 9: it was the leadership council saying, Hey, we talked to coach.
Speaker 9: This is why we need to practice for two hours
Speaker 9: and thirty minutes today.
Speaker 2: Wait, when how did you learn this?
Speaker 9: I just believe in trusting people. I mean I leave
Speaker 9: I mean I shouldn't say this, but I leave my
Speaker 9: car unlocked, like my wife hates it. I just believe
Speaker 9: in people. I truly believe that if you try to,
Speaker 9: if you give people the keys, if you truly empower people,
Speaker 9: and if you get the right people around you and
Speaker 9: you trust them and you believe in them right and
Speaker 9: you empower them, they're gonna be better versus than themselves.
Speaker 9: And that empowerment is going to take you as a
Speaker 9: unit higher than you could ever go by me saying
Speaker 9: run one hundred yards.
Speaker 2: Okay, if your car is gone by the end of
Speaker 2: the day, do not blame me.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna lock it now. I'm going to have to
Speaker 9: change my entire theory on not locking my car now
Speaker 9: because I just exposed that.
Speaker 2: Congratulations on all this success. We appreciate you.
Speaker 9: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Coach coach Kenny Dillingham Arizona State second season
Speaker 2: and they were three and nine first season, eleven to
Speaker 2: three in season two. I could buy into that. Did
Speaker 2: we just get a new favorite coach? I feel like
Speaker 2: we might have. He's there, let's go. I thought that
Speaker 2: was great.
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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame head coach Bill cower So part of
Speaker 2: NFL Today on CBS Studio. And look who showed up early,
Speaker 2: I coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found Waldough.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I told you I was going to put it.
Speaker 2: Put it up there and we made room there you go.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, I said, stage right, it's good.
Speaker 2: Does it look like you are you? Did you have
Speaker 2: to approve?
Speaker 3: I have I have multiple bobbleheads. I had one with
Speaker 3: a gold jacket on, another one with a headset. I
Speaker 3: think this one with a headset. I had to get
Speaker 3: the one that's just the coach. You just Hall of fame,
Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't deserve to be on that desk. I'm
Speaker 3: a regular guy, like the policeman, like everybody else. I'm
Speaker 3: not just the old football coach right next to the
Speaker 3: San Antonio traffic Polease, guy.
Speaker 2: Are you did you grow up hating Penn State?
Speaker 3: Go out when I didn't offer me a scholarship? So
Speaker 3: but my brother went there?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, Because I'm watching the game last night, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I think your dad was at Duquane, like you feel
Speaker 2: like you were a pit guy.
Speaker 3: Oh. I was on a recruiting trip up there, and
Speaker 3: they never offered me a scholarship. And ironically enough, my
Speaker 3: freshman year at NC State, I played as a freshman
Speaker 3: against them, and before the game, I pulled out the
Speaker 3: leather that says they didn't think I was big enough
Speaker 3: to play college Division one football. I said, well, we'll
Speaker 3: find out today, won't we.
Speaker 2: Did you model your game after anybody?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 3: You know I grew up. I grew up watching Jack Lambert.
Speaker 3: I mean this. I loved him. I didn't do it,
Speaker 3: but I loved Hacksaw Reynolds w And he used to
Speaker 3: chop his steet in place before the ball was snapped.
Speaker 3: Just guys, I mean this people had their own personalities, right,
Speaker 3: and that's I just I like Jack was my guy,
Speaker 3: Dick Buckus was my guy, and Ray NITCHKEI were my guys.
Speaker 3: Those were the three guys I looked at.
Speaker 2: We talk about the Lions and Dan Campbell and creating
Speaker 2: culture and it's a weird word. When you create culture?
Speaker 2: Do you know how to create culture?
Speaker 3: You know? I think culture is something that is manifested.
Speaker 3: I think it takes time. It's creating a building where
Speaker 3: you'd like to think that you walk in there. There's
Speaker 3: a selflessness about it. There's also a sense of purpose
Speaker 3: about it. There's a trust that exists, and you're able
Speaker 3: to kind of give ownership to the players to oversee
Speaker 3: the locker room. And I think that's when you know
Speaker 3: you've gotten to that level. But the culture is about
Speaker 3: being real, being transparent, about holding people accountable, and you're
Speaker 3: in there for one purpose. When you walk in, their leader,
Speaker 3: you go at the door and we're we're all in
Speaker 3: this thing together.
Speaker 2: When did the hatred for the Ravens start? Or well
Speaker 2: both ways here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I when they moved from Cleveland to Baltimore,
Speaker 3: I just called them the Browns. I mean they can
Speaker 3: call themselves the Ravens, but I call them the Browns
Speaker 3: and are the same team that we're up the turnpike.
Speaker 3: We're just gonna go We're going to go east instead
Speaker 3: of going north. But there's still the same team we
Speaker 3: don't like. There's still the same thing we take very
Speaker 3: personal with and so and then it probably happened right
Speaker 3: around that two thousand era when ray Lewis came in
Speaker 3: and start doing the dance they had to and then
Speaker 3: we were going back and forth with the division at
Speaker 3: that time, and I think that's the real robberies are
Speaker 3: kind of bridgs, you know what, Dan, It's like when
Speaker 3: you have when you are both fighting for that division
Speaker 3: and you find yourselves on top. And then we were
Speaker 3: both kind of identically built. It was about kind of
Speaker 3: a run the football, play defense, I pose yourself on
Speaker 3: the other team, and we have kind of all to
Speaker 3: We took pride in that physicality part of the game,
Speaker 3: and I think the early two thousands that was absolutely
Speaker 3: identified and that's what the game was all about.
Speaker 2: You don't strike me as a coach who would allow
Speaker 2: as players to be dancing like ray Lewis did to
Speaker 2: open up a game.
Speaker 3: Well, we didn't dance, but we talked a lot. I
Speaker 3: think we had a lot of guys that'd like to
Speaker 3: get the last word in Joey Porter was never never
Speaker 3: was lost for words.
Speaker 2: On the field, but you were okay with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted edgy players. I didn't mind having edgy players,
Speaker 3: I know. I always said, my job as a coach
Speaker 3: is for you to walk that line of being that
Speaker 3: almost arrogant, almost like supreme. I feel you're the best
Speaker 3: person on that field, and when you cross the line,
Speaker 3: my job is to pull you back. Where do you
Speaker 3: cross the line when you disrespect the game, You disrespect
Speaker 3: the opponent, or you disrespect a teammate, and that's dancing
Speaker 3: or doing something that's in someone's face. So I said,
Speaker 3: just as long as you respect the game, that line.
Speaker 3: And sometimes I felt a guy, we're almost too safe,
Speaker 3: too cautious, didn't want to make a mistake, And I said,
Speaker 3: if if I can't, if I don't pull you back periodically,
Speaker 3: you're not walking the line close enough. So I kind
Speaker 3: of encouraged them to get to be a little bit
Speaker 3: of a swagger when he walked on that field.
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer Bill Kauer, of course, NFL today, CBS
Speaker 2: studio analysts, did you ever come close to wanting to
Speaker 2: go after another coach? Punch a coach, not.
Speaker 3: Punch of coach. But I think there's obviously the clip
Speaker 3: of me with Chris Hudson when he picked up the
Speaker 3: block field goal of dont Jacksonville walking down the sideline,
Speaker 3: and I kind of just was gonna do one of those.
Speaker 3: But I blamed I be dan. I blame that on
Speaker 3: the ghost of Woody Hayes. And it was actually the
Speaker 3: very same sideline, the very same part of the field
Speaker 3: where he punched Charlie Bowman from Clemson. So I think
Speaker 3: I think that was just that was the Woody Hayes
Speaker 3: that came out of. It was the same field, same
Speaker 3: part of the fields. It's ironic if you go back
Speaker 3: and someone pulling that out to me and I said, well,
Speaker 3: that answers it. That couldn't have been me doing that.
Speaker 3: But no, I'm you know, I never know. You know,
Speaker 3: I respected the game and I love to compete. I
Speaker 3: didn't like losing, but never really took it that personally.
Speaker 3: If I took a personally, I took it upon myself
Speaker 3: that we didn't do enough to win the game.
Speaker 2: If I gave you the Lions or the field in
Speaker 2: the NFC, who would you take?
Speaker 3: Well, right now, I would say the Lions, and I
Speaker 3: say that for this reason. They are so battle tested
Speaker 3: right now. They are such a refresh of Dan Campbell.
Speaker 3: Everyone keeps talking about what they don't have, and he
Speaker 3: just keeps using that for fuel to fuel this team.
Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn has done a vantaity job. Ben Johnson I
Speaker 3: think is one of the best offensive coordinators in the league.
Speaker 3: And they're getting a little bit healthy right now, so
Speaker 3: they get a bye week to get healthy. You're playing
Speaker 3: at home in Detroit. They got to win two games.
Speaker 3: I just don't know for as a team there. You
Speaker 3: saw what they did against Minnesota. They and it's probably
Speaker 3: their biggest robbery if you think about that. Tam the
Speaker 3: only team that I think that really can go in
Speaker 3: there or the Philadelphi Eagles. I think the Philadelphi Eagles
Speaker 3: has what it takes because they can run the football,
Speaker 3: they can play defense right now, and they got really
Speaker 3: good offensive line. And if you know, again, Jalen Hurt
Speaker 3: comes back, Supt's come back this week. I think that's
Speaker 3: the one team to me that I think can battle them.
Speaker 2: If I gave you the Chiefs of the field in
Speaker 2: the AFC.
Speaker 3: Well, we've been picking against the Chiefs all season long.
Speaker 3: We keep waiting for the left to put the shoot
Speaker 3: to drop on that team. But you know, again, they're
Speaker 3: playing at home, they're getting healthy. I still look at
Speaker 3: Baltimore and Buffalo as two teams. Then they're gonna meet
Speaker 3: probably in the divisional round and go there. I think
Speaker 3: both those teams kind of like the Thorn, and both
Speaker 3: of those teams has been the Kansas City Chiefs. So
Speaker 3: I think either one of those two teams are gonna
Speaker 3: have a chance to go into the Kansas City with
Speaker 3: a little bit of a chip on their shoulders. So
Speaker 3: I you know, again, it's hard to pick against them,
Speaker 3: but I think there's a little bit. There's a few
Speaker 3: more teams in the AFC I think that can challenge
Speaker 3: it Chiefs, and there are in the NFC that can
Speaker 3: challenge the Lions.
Speaker 2: What's it like to be a head coach when you
Speaker 2: want your assistance, your offensive or defensive coordinators to be
Speaker 2: able to interview for a head coaching job. And I
Speaker 2: know this probably didn't go on when you were coaching,
Speaker 2: but now, I mean imagine you're Dan Campbell and you're
Speaker 2: probably losing both of your coordinators, but he's still there
Speaker 2: as the head coach while they're interviewing for other jobs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the first week is not a problem.
Speaker 3: I think we have the week off. I think it's
Speaker 3: not a problem with that. And I think Number one,
Speaker 3: I always looked at as a fender of my cap.
Speaker 3: You know, I had eight guys that went on to
Speaker 3: become head coaches from my staff, and I always looked
Speaker 3: at that as you know, I was proud of that.
Speaker 3: I'm very, very proud that they were able to move
Speaker 3: on from us and be able to go to the
Speaker 3: next level. So I don't think I think it's a
Speaker 3: problem is when they're interviewing during the course of the game,
Speaker 3: they're having that week. I don't think I would allow
Speaker 3: that because to me, the attention should be on that game,
Speaker 3: because that game is also going to be a reflection
Speaker 3: on your record and on our record, and it's an opportunity.
Speaker 3: In a playoffs, it's this is not best of three,
Speaker 3: so it's single elimination. And to me, when you have
Speaker 3: the week of the game, that focus is on the
Speaker 3: week of the game. But the bye week, I get it.
Speaker 3: I understand it because people like to move fast in
Speaker 3: our league, and I think the boy line and I
Speaker 3: said this, I told this to dan Is. I said,
Speaker 3: the one thing you have success And I learned this
Speaker 3: very early. You better have a backup plan, a backup
Speaker 3: plan to they're having. Your coordinators are going to get
Speaker 3: plucked to go to become a head coaches, which is
Speaker 3: a feather in your cap. It's nothing to look negatively about.
Speaker 3: But now be able to maybe work with in house
Speaker 3: and be able to promote in house if you can
Speaker 3: do it. And that's the ideal that atmosphere. You talking
Speaker 3: about culture, how about a great culture where you know
Speaker 3: if you stay right there that you may have a
Speaker 3: chance to advance in your own field of employee and
Speaker 3: actually made a chance to become a head coach. So
Speaker 3: I think Key has a backup plan to both those things,
Speaker 3: and I think most coaches do, but I always encourage them. Then,
Speaker 3: when you have success, the first thing you better do
Speaker 3: is have a backup plan for your assistant coaches.
Speaker 2: You got a story about Rothlessburger frustrating you, Well, did
Speaker 2: he always listen to you when you called in plays?
Speaker 3: Well, he would do one of these things like he
Speaker 3: said no, no, he was say that. He would say
Speaker 3: it's not working. I said, well, there are communications I work,
Speaker 3: and they go, I think it is. I go, well,
Speaker 3: let's check his home. He gets out and we grabbed that.
Speaker 3: Just grab his helmet. One time, we grabbed his helmet.
Speaker 3: They go, coaches working, fine, he goes. It just came
Speaker 3: back off. I don't know. That's not I go, that
Speaker 3: is not a true statement. Then I know it. I
Speaker 3: said it's not. You can't. I can't hear it. You're
Speaker 3: calling plays. So the interesting question, now, I'm going to
Speaker 3: sit down. I always wonder about this, and I wanted
Speaker 3: to talk to Sean McDermott and I'm going to ask him.
Speaker 3: I sit down with him later on today. Matter of fact,
Speaker 3: and when Josh Allen breaks the pocket, it was almost
Speaker 3: like when Ben used to break the pocket. It was like,
Speaker 3: oh no, here we go again. It's street ball. I
Speaker 3: don't know what's going to happen. It's kind of buckle
Speaker 3: your seatbelt and it's just like, oh, oh my god,
Speaker 3: here he goes again. Just don't be careless, don't be reckless,
Speaker 3: and big players will happen. And Troy Paula Malou. He's
Speaker 3: supposed to be playing half the field. I see him
Speaker 3: start to creep up to the line of scrimmers. They're going,
Speaker 3: is he gonna drop or not? I don't even know.
Speaker 3: Like so, I so you wonder what goes through your stomach.
Speaker 3: But I only always say great players, Troy Paula Malou,
Speaker 3: Ben Roethlisberger, you can't harness greatness, and sometimes you want
Speaker 3: that to become an unbridled feeling that they have on
Speaker 3: that field where they can take over a game, and
Speaker 3: most of the times they do. Now, sometimes you're gonna
Speaker 3: live with the mistakes that they have and the choices
Speaker 3: that they make. But man, you want these guys on
Speaker 3: your team, and you know through the course of time
Speaker 3: that their decision making is going to be the right thing.
Speaker 3: But you know what, in the meantime, though, you sit there,
Speaker 3: your stomach's turned. You're like a fan, like, oh boy,
Speaker 3: here we go again. I don't know it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3: Like that was a great play, Yeah, sure was. So
Speaker 3: you kind of just go do you turn into a
Speaker 3: fan watching this? Go oh, this will be interesting to
Speaker 3: see what happens here. He's running to the right, throwing
Speaker 3: it back to the left and you know, it's this okay,
Speaker 3: you know, and sometimes those are the plays that you
Speaker 3: know that that win championion ships and win games. And
Speaker 3: sometimes it's they're not the things they make up, and
Speaker 3: it's the players that you entrust with the system that
Speaker 3: they kind of take it to another level.
Speaker 2: Safe Travels. Thanks for the bibblehead. We appreciate it. Yes,
Speaker 2: thank you, coach.
Speaker 3: Thanks Dan. Always pleasure to be on