1 00:00:14,996 --> 00:00:57,356 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Mountain lions do their hunting in the dark after 2 00:00:57,476 --> 00:01:00,716 Speaker 1: dusk and in the early morning hours, right before the 3 00:01:00,756 --> 00:01:05,276 Speaker 1: sun comes up. The hills above Malibu, California, are full 4 00:01:05,316 --> 00:01:09,316 Speaker 1: of them. They're vicious predators, but they're so shy that 5 00:01:09,356 --> 00:01:13,596 Speaker 1: the wildlife biologists who study them call them ghost cats. 6 00:01:14,756 --> 00:01:17,516 Speaker 1: If you hike in the hills surrounding Malibu, you probably 7 00:01:17,516 --> 00:01:21,276 Speaker 1: haven't seen a mountain lion, but one has almost certainly 8 00:01:21,316 --> 00:01:26,916 Speaker 1: seen you. Hemmed in by freeways and in ever expanding suburbia, 9 00:01:26,996 --> 00:01:32,276 Speaker 1: the mountain lions are stressed half crazy. A few years ago, 10 00:01:32,356 --> 00:01:34,276 Speaker 1: I wrote a story about them for The New Yorker, 11 00:01:34,516 --> 00:01:38,076 Speaker 1: where I work. The people in Malibu were really upset, 12 00:01:38,756 --> 00:01:41,836 Speaker 1: especially about a rogue lion known as P forty five, 13 00:01:42,276 --> 00:01:46,476 Speaker 1: which was slaughtering pet alpacas and mini horses seemingly for sport. 14 00:01:47,796 --> 00:01:49,796 Speaker 1: There was a huge debate over who was to blame 15 00:01:49,836 --> 00:01:53,356 Speaker 1: for these deaths, a murderous lion or the people who 16 00:01:53,356 --> 00:02:02,996 Speaker 1: had left their pets unprotected in lion country. One morning, 17 00:02:03,076 --> 00:02:05,476 Speaker 1: I went out searching for evidence of lions in the 18 00:02:05,516 --> 00:02:08,756 Speaker 1: mountains near Malibu Creek State Park. I was with one 19 00:02:08,756 --> 00:02:11,396 Speaker 1: of the wildlife biologists, and we were in a tangle 20 00:02:11,436 --> 00:02:14,596 Speaker 1: of branches and bushes, looking at a dried out deer carcass, 21 00:02:15,036 --> 00:02:19,916 Speaker 1: a month old lion kill. This question just popped into 22 00:02:19,956 --> 00:02:24,756 Speaker 1: my head, so I asked him, Hey, do you ever 23 00:02:24,796 --> 00:02:28,436 Speaker 1: find a dead body out here? He turned and looked 24 00:02:28,436 --> 00:02:32,276 Speaker 1: at me so strangely he was going to stick to 25 00:02:32,316 --> 00:02:36,916 Speaker 1: talking about lions, no comment on what humans might do 26 00:02:36,996 --> 00:02:48,756 Speaker 1: in these hills. In my fifteen years living in Los Angeles, 27 00:02:48,996 --> 00:02:53,636 Speaker 1: I've logged a decent amount of time in Malibu, sometimes reporting, 28 00:02:53,916 --> 00:02:56,556 Speaker 1: but mostly just taking my kids for afternoons at the beach. 29 00:02:57,596 --> 00:03:02,716 Speaker 1: You know, Malibu, It's paradise, the ocean, the mountains, the 30 00:03:02,796 --> 00:03:07,316 Speaker 1: honeycolored light, celebrities and surf bums, and laid back billionaires, 31 00:03:08,356 --> 00:03:12,716 Speaker 1: people with prayer beads and private security. It's like a 32 00:03:12,756 --> 00:03:17,436 Speaker 1: postcard of itself. The real gidget is a hostess at 33 00:03:17,436 --> 00:03:20,636 Speaker 1: a local restaurant, and you could easily run into Kim 34 00:03:20,716 --> 00:03:26,916 Speaker 1: Kardashian at the sushi bar. But often in Malibu I 35 00:03:26,996 --> 00:03:31,996 Speaker 1: get this unsettling sensation that there's something else there underneath 36 00:03:31,996 --> 00:03:38,516 Speaker 1: that pretty surface, something elusive and slightly menacing, a riptide 37 00:03:39,356 --> 00:03:43,716 Speaker 1: an undertow, and I can never quite shake the feeling. 38 00:03:44,396 --> 00:03:53,156 Speaker 1: That the place is warning me to go away. Here's 39 00:03:53,156 --> 00:03:55,636 Speaker 1: what I know when I start all this. It's not 40 00:03:55,756 --> 00:04:05,036 Speaker 1: a lot. It was before sunrise June twenty second, eighteen, 41 00:04:05,796 --> 00:04:08,916 Speaker 1: and the campground at Malibu Creek State Park was packed. 42 00:04:10,076 --> 00:04:13,796 Speaker 1: It's an idyllic spot. Campsites are arranged in a ring 43 00:04:13,876 --> 00:04:17,476 Speaker 1: around a large meadow dotted with oak trees. Jagged peaks 44 00:04:17,756 --> 00:04:21,996 Speaker 1: zigzag across the open sky. It was four in the morning, 45 00:04:22,476 --> 00:04:27,276 Speaker 1: still dark. Everyone was inside their nylon tents and RVs, 46 00:04:28,316 --> 00:04:30,756 Speaker 1: cozy in their sleeping bags for a couple more hours. 47 00:04:32,436 --> 00:04:42,196 Speaker 1: But someone was awake, watching, silent, undetected, slipping shadow like 48 00:04:42,916 --> 00:04:48,516 Speaker 1: around the sleeping campground. He had a gun and he 49 00:04:48,676 --> 00:04:57,756 Speaker 1: fired it directly into one family's tent. Inside the tent 50 00:04:57,916 --> 00:05:01,796 Speaker 1: was a man named Tristan Bodette, a brilliant young research 51 00:05:01,876 --> 00:05:05,676 Speaker 1: scientist thirty five years old. He was sleeping beside his 52 00:05:05,716 --> 00:05:12,276 Speaker 1: two little girls. The bullet struck his forehead, killing him, 53 00:05:12,276 --> 00:05:19,916 Speaker 1: and whoever did it slipped away into the darkness. It's 54 00:05:19,956 --> 00:05:23,316 Speaker 1: like a story that's meant to terrify you, playing on 55 00:05:23,396 --> 00:05:27,036 Speaker 1: your deepest fears. A story you'd tell around a campfire 56 00:05:27,556 --> 00:05:31,916 Speaker 1: with ghosts and murderers and things you can't explain except 57 00:05:31,916 --> 00:05:35,676 Speaker 1: that this story is true. And once I heard it, 58 00:05:35,876 --> 00:05:39,516 Speaker 1: I couldn't stop thinking about it. How did this happen? 59 00:05:40,436 --> 00:05:44,996 Speaker 1: How does anything like this happen in Malibu, of all places? 60 00:05:46,276 --> 00:05:49,636 Speaker 1: But it did happen in Malibu, And as I'd come 61 00:05:49,676 --> 00:05:54,956 Speaker 1: to find out, inexplicable, nightmarish things happen in Malibu all 62 00:05:55,036 --> 00:05:58,756 Speaker 1: the time. Tonight, a mystery in Malibu. The driver found 63 00:05:58,756 --> 00:06:01,836 Speaker 1: a man dead in a ditch along Lost Versus Canyon Road. 64 00:06:01,956 --> 00:06:05,356 Speaker 1: There have also been nine additional calls for shots fire. 65 00:06:09,636 --> 00:06:13,956 Speaker 1: I just don't feel safe anymore. Breaking now a homicide investigation. 66 00:06:14,436 --> 00:06:16,676 Speaker 1: We do have a nude body and it's still unclear 67 00:06:16,676 --> 00:06:20,956 Speaker 1: exactly how it got here. It is a suspicious death. 68 00:06:21,036 --> 00:06:23,756 Speaker 1: The human bones were just a half mile from the trailhead. 69 00:06:24,076 --> 00:06:28,116 Speaker 1: We possibly said somebody screaming for help. Detectives and I 70 00:06:28,196 --> 00:06:30,756 Speaker 1: trying to figure out who he is and who killed him. 71 00:06:30,796 --> 00:06:33,876 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. They'll be standing with pitchforks outside 72 00:06:34,036 --> 00:06:36,796 Speaker 1: Lost til Sheriff's department. I said to holler down, are 73 00:06:36,836 --> 00:06:38,956 Speaker 1: you all right? She said, I'm just resting or something 74 00:06:38,996 --> 00:06:46,076 Speaker 1: like that. Once she left, she just disappeared. I'm doing 75 00:06:46,076 --> 00:07:18,196 Speaker 1: a goodyear and This is Lost Hells episode one, the 76 00:07:18,276 --> 00:07:26,596 Speaker 1: Killing Zone. Would you guys start by just saying your 77 00:07:26,676 --> 00:07:30,876 Speaker 1: names and what your relationship is to Tristan. My name 78 00:07:30,956 --> 00:07:34,756 Speaker 1: is Scott McCurdy. I'm Tristan's brother in law, and this 79 00:07:34,916 --> 00:07:38,356 Speaker 1: is my wife. My name's Pamela wo I'm at Tristan's 80 00:07:38,356 --> 00:07:42,876 Speaker 1: sister in law and married to Scott McCurdy. I want 81 00:07:42,916 --> 00:07:45,116 Speaker 1: to talk to Scott because he was with Tristan on 82 00:07:45,156 --> 00:07:47,756 Speaker 1: the camping trip. He was in the next tent over 83 00:07:47,996 --> 00:07:51,676 Speaker 1: with his own young boys. He's the closest person to 84 00:07:51,756 --> 00:07:55,436 Speaker 1: the story. Tristan's little girls were two and four. The 85 00:07:55,516 --> 00:07:59,236 Speaker 1: younger one could barely talk. Scott is the closest thing 86 00:07:59,276 --> 00:08:02,436 Speaker 1: to a witness. Tristan always has this bucket list of 87 00:08:02,476 --> 00:08:06,556 Speaker 1: things that he wants to do, and camping in Malibu 88 00:08:07,116 --> 00:08:10,196 Speaker 1: State Park was on the bucket list. Years ago, before 89 00:08:10,236 --> 00:08:12,756 Speaker 1: we had kids, he and I went up to Malibu 90 00:08:12,956 --> 00:08:16,596 Speaker 1: Creek State Park and he and I always wanted to 91 00:08:16,596 --> 00:08:20,076 Speaker 1: go back and camp there. Scott tells me that Tristan, 92 00:08:20,356 --> 00:08:22,996 Speaker 1: his wife, Erica, and their kids were about to move 93 00:08:23,076 --> 00:08:25,996 Speaker 1: from Orange County up to the Bay Area. I feel 94 00:08:25,996 --> 00:08:27,316 Speaker 1: like he knew that I was a little bit sad 95 00:08:27,356 --> 00:08:30,756 Speaker 1: that he was going to be leaving Southern California. Erica 96 00:08:30,916 --> 00:08:33,836 Speaker 1: is an obgyn and had a medical exam to study for. 97 00:08:34,596 --> 00:08:37,636 Speaker 1: So Tristan proposed a trip something he and Scott had 98 00:08:37,676 --> 00:08:41,156 Speaker 1: been wanting to do for a long time, camping just 99 00:08:41,276 --> 00:08:44,476 Speaker 1: the dads with the kids in Malibu Creek State Park, 100 00:08:44,956 --> 00:08:48,196 Speaker 1: and he wanted to have kind of one last camping 101 00:08:48,196 --> 00:08:51,036 Speaker 1: trip while he was down here and we were all together, 102 00:08:51,196 --> 00:08:58,116 Speaker 1: and so it was meant to be this bonding, really 103 00:08:58,156 --> 00:09:04,676 Speaker 1: fun experience. The caravan up to Malibu, we're driving up 104 00:09:04,716 --> 00:09:08,716 Speaker 1: and we pull in and Tristan was first, and we 105 00:09:08,796 --> 00:09:12,356 Speaker 1: passed the ranger booth where you get your site, and 106 00:09:12,436 --> 00:09:15,996 Speaker 1: I follow Tristan in and we'd go down the long 107 00:09:16,036 --> 00:09:20,596 Speaker 1: winding road and he makes a wrong turn and off 108 00:09:20,596 --> 00:09:25,196 Speaker 1: the asphalt road onto this gravel dirt road, which later 109 00:09:25,276 --> 00:09:27,236 Speaker 1: he commented he was so excited that he got to 110 00:09:27,236 --> 00:09:30,516 Speaker 1: take his forest or off roading. It was such a funny, dude. 111 00:09:31,556 --> 00:09:34,716 Speaker 1: The campground is basically a large oak meadow. There's a 112 00:09:34,756 --> 00:09:37,796 Speaker 1: one way asphalt road that goes around it with campsites 113 00:09:37,876 --> 00:09:41,636 Speaker 1: offset on either side. You know, we found our campsite, 114 00:09:41,636 --> 00:09:44,116 Speaker 1: we got the kids out, and we all walked around 115 00:09:44,236 --> 00:09:49,556 Speaker 1: and the campsite was was a little bit angled, and 116 00:09:49,716 --> 00:09:53,836 Speaker 1: so Tristan really didn't like it because, you know, there 117 00:09:53,876 --> 00:09:56,236 Speaker 1: wasn't a good spot to pitch the tent where you 118 00:09:56,276 --> 00:09:59,436 Speaker 1: wouldn't be leaning one way or the other, and so 119 00:09:59,476 --> 00:10:02,476 Speaker 1: it just wasn't wasn't the ideal camp site. So we decided, 120 00:10:02,516 --> 00:10:04,676 Speaker 1: and we were early enough not all the sites were full, 121 00:10:04,996 --> 00:10:06,876 Speaker 1: that we decided we'd, you know, one of us would 122 00:10:06,916 --> 00:10:10,116 Speaker 1: go back and bargain with the rain to get another site. 123 00:10:11,036 --> 00:10:13,876 Speaker 1: They moved to a different spot, Site forty nine, in 124 00:10:13,956 --> 00:10:16,516 Speaker 1: a nice flat area on the northern end of the meadow, 125 00:10:17,236 --> 00:10:18,756 Speaker 1: and then they noticed that the guy in the next 126 00:10:18,796 --> 00:10:21,436 Speaker 1: site over was leaving. They asked him if they could 127 00:10:21,516 --> 00:10:25,156 Speaker 1: use his site too spread out a little. He said, sure, 128 00:10:25,356 --> 00:10:28,876 Speaker 1: no problem. Tristan set up his tent there in Site 129 00:10:28,916 --> 00:10:31,876 Speaker 1: fifty one. Then he and Scott and all the kids 130 00:10:31,876 --> 00:10:35,156 Speaker 1: spent the day at Surfrider Beach, that famous stretch along 131 00:10:35,196 --> 00:10:38,996 Speaker 1: Pacific Coast Highway right by the Malibu Pier. At the 132 00:10:39,076 --> 00:10:40,596 Speaker 1: end of the day, they headed back to the park 133 00:10:40,636 --> 00:10:43,676 Speaker 1: and got ready for a night around the campfire. Scott 134 00:10:43,716 --> 00:10:46,116 Speaker 1: says that Tristan could be counted on to bring delicious 135 00:10:46,156 --> 00:10:48,996 Speaker 1: food and pre mixed cocktails when they camped. He was 136 00:10:49,036 --> 00:10:53,396 Speaker 1: the kind of person who optimized everything. And so did you. 137 00:10:53,436 --> 00:10:57,796 Speaker 1: And Tristan get to stay up drinking Manhattan's or something 138 00:10:57,796 --> 00:11:00,076 Speaker 1: out of a flask after the kids finally went to bed. 139 00:11:00,636 --> 00:11:08,236 Speaker 1: Tristan had pre mixed Manhattan's for that trip, that last 140 00:11:08,276 --> 00:11:11,836 Speaker 1: conversation we had. We you know, we stayed up and 141 00:11:11,876 --> 00:11:14,836 Speaker 1: we were just talking about families for hours and hours 142 00:11:15,836 --> 00:11:19,996 Speaker 1: and um and I told him how much I was 143 00:11:20,036 --> 00:11:22,956 Speaker 1: gonna miss him. I'm like, I kind of guilted him 144 00:11:22,956 --> 00:11:25,836 Speaker 1: a little bit, like, you know, well we had a 145 00:11:25,836 --> 00:11:28,396 Speaker 1: good run, buddy, you know, we had a good run. 146 00:11:28,436 --> 00:11:31,676 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'll miss you. You know. I remember at 147 00:11:31,716 --> 00:11:33,156 Speaker 1: the end of the night, we decided, you know, okay, 148 00:11:33,196 --> 00:11:34,676 Speaker 1: well it's it's late, let's go to bed. It was 149 00:11:34,876 --> 00:11:36,636 Speaker 1: probably I don't know, I don't know what time it was. 150 00:11:36,916 --> 00:11:38,716 Speaker 1: Maybe it was one o'clock or something. I'm not sure. 151 00:11:39,316 --> 00:11:42,436 Speaker 1: And you know, we put out the camp fire, and 152 00:11:43,036 --> 00:11:46,676 Speaker 1: you know, we I gave him a big hug, and 153 00:11:47,796 --> 00:11:50,556 Speaker 1: you know, I told him I loved him, and I 154 00:11:50,596 --> 00:11:52,236 Speaker 1: told him I did I told him again that I 155 00:11:52,236 --> 00:11:59,196 Speaker 1: was gonna miss him, and It makes me sad but 156 00:11:59,356 --> 00:12:04,076 Speaker 1: so happy at the same time, because at least I 157 00:12:04,076 --> 00:12:18,156 Speaker 1: got that. A few hours later, Scott says he was 158 00:12:18,156 --> 00:12:22,276 Speaker 1: awakened by a loud noise like fireworks and the sound 159 00:12:22,276 --> 00:12:26,116 Speaker 1: of one of his nieces crying. He couldn't figure out 160 00:12:26,156 --> 00:12:29,596 Speaker 1: why Tristan wasn't helping her. He knew that something must 161 00:12:29,596 --> 00:12:32,996 Speaker 1: be wrong. He got up, leaving his own young children, 162 00:12:33,196 --> 00:12:36,916 Speaker 1: and hurried over to Tristen's tent. He opened the flap. 163 00:12:37,676 --> 00:12:40,156 Speaker 1: In the dark, he could see the girls kneeling beside 164 00:12:40,196 --> 00:12:45,196 Speaker 1: their dad. One of them kept saying, wet, wet. He 165 00:12:45,316 --> 00:12:47,476 Speaker 1: dug around for a phone, and when he found it, 166 00:12:47,796 --> 00:12:51,276 Speaker 1: used it as a flashlight. He rolled Tristan over and 167 00:12:51,396 --> 00:12:55,276 Speaker 1: saw that his face was drenched in blood. The girls 168 00:12:55,276 --> 00:12:58,396 Speaker 1: were kneeling in a pool of it. That's what was wet. 169 00:12:59,556 --> 00:13:01,796 Speaker 1: He pulled the girls out of the tent into the 170 00:13:01,876 --> 00:13:05,556 Speaker 1: chilly early morning air and began to scream for help. 171 00:13:15,236 --> 00:13:18,476 Speaker 1: I've never investigated a murder before, but I'm assuming the 172 00:13:18,556 --> 00:13:22,156 Speaker 1: autopsy will be filled with information. You know, leads I 173 00:13:22,196 --> 00:13:24,636 Speaker 1: can follow that will get me started in the right direction. 174 00:13:25,796 --> 00:13:28,756 Speaker 1: When the coroner releases it, I scour it for details. 175 00:13:32,116 --> 00:13:34,876 Speaker 1: At the time of his death, It says Tristan Bodatt 176 00:13:34,956 --> 00:13:37,916 Speaker 1: was wearing a gray tshirt, blue shorts, and white socks. 177 00:13:38,676 --> 00:13:41,876 Speaker 1: His face was unshaven. He had a little alcohol in 178 00:13:41,916 --> 00:13:46,636 Speaker 1: his system, probably the Manhattan's, and a little THHC. Above 179 00:13:46,676 --> 00:13:49,396 Speaker 1: his right eye, just below the hairline, but pretty close 180 00:13:49,436 --> 00:13:52,356 Speaker 1: to dead center was an oval hole where a full 181 00:13:52,436 --> 00:13:56,956 Speaker 1: copper jacketed lead bullet had entered, piercing his brain. That 182 00:13:57,076 --> 00:14:01,076 Speaker 1: bullet was excavated from his right shoulder blade. Included with 183 00:14:01,116 --> 00:14:04,956 Speaker 1: the autopsy is something called a GSR data sheet. It 184 00:14:05,076 --> 00:14:08,636 Speaker 1: stands for Gunshot Residue. I had to look that up. 185 00:14:10,236 --> 00:14:13,996 Speaker 1: The box for homicide is checked, but everything else about 186 00:14:14,036 --> 00:14:17,476 Speaker 1: Tristan Bodat's case and how he died can only be 187 00:14:17,596 --> 00:14:21,356 Speaker 1: learned from the omissions gaps in the narrative of facts. 188 00:14:22,356 --> 00:14:28,636 Speaker 1: The weapon is described as outstanding make a model, unknown, ammunition, 189 00:14:28,676 --> 00:14:34,156 Speaker 1: brand and caliber. Unknown. Number of shots fired is left blank. 190 00:14:35,196 --> 00:14:40,276 Speaker 1: How did the injury occur? The autopsy simply bopaquely says 191 00:14:42,396 --> 00:14:49,316 Speaker 1: shot by another. When Tristan Bodett was killed, rumors started 192 00:14:49,396 --> 00:14:53,676 Speaker 1: flying around Malibu. Bodette worked at a pharmaceutical company and 193 00:14:53,796 --> 00:14:58,836 Speaker 1: had published research on vaccines, probably he'd been targeted, assassinated 194 00:14:58,876 --> 00:15:02,676 Speaker 1: by Big pharma or the government, or the perpetrator was 195 00:15:02,716 --> 00:15:07,716 Speaker 1: a disgruntled park worker, possibly ex military, or maybe it 196 00:15:07,796 --> 00:15:10,196 Speaker 1: had something to do with the elite go marijuana grows 197 00:15:10,276 --> 00:15:13,236 Speaker 1: that everyone knows, or a problem in Malibu Creek State Park. 198 00:15:14,396 --> 00:15:17,356 Speaker 1: But what Scott says that they moved spots twice and 199 00:15:17,476 --> 00:15:20,476 Speaker 1: ended up in a third spot given by a nameless stranger, 200 00:15:21,316 --> 00:15:24,236 Speaker 1: it just makes me think about how random the killing was. 201 00:15:25,436 --> 00:15:28,516 Speaker 1: Scott was there, he was with Tristan the whole time, 202 00:15:28,996 --> 00:15:32,276 Speaker 1: right up until they zipped into their separate tents, and 203 00:15:32,476 --> 00:15:36,516 Speaker 1: he's baffled. For me, and I think for Tristan, campgrounds 204 00:15:36,676 --> 00:15:40,436 Speaker 1: or a sanctuary, there were a place that you could 205 00:15:40,476 --> 00:15:44,356 Speaker 1: go and you could let your guard down a little bit, 206 00:15:44,756 --> 00:15:48,556 Speaker 1: the kids could play, you'd have fun setting up your 207 00:15:48,556 --> 00:15:52,316 Speaker 1: camp and making dinner and just hanging out with the 208 00:15:52,356 --> 00:15:58,756 Speaker 1: people you love. Do you think about Malibu differently now? Yeah, 209 00:15:58,796 --> 00:16:03,916 Speaker 1: you know, I definitely do. I mean, I think you've 210 00:16:03,956 --> 00:16:06,956 Speaker 1: got just this really great spot in the world where 211 00:16:07,036 --> 00:16:09,316 Speaker 1: you should be able to go and enjoy nature, And 212 00:16:10,636 --> 00:16:13,236 Speaker 1: you just don't think that in a place so beautiful 213 00:16:13,276 --> 00:16:20,116 Speaker 1: that you're going to experience something so evil. When I 214 00:16:20,156 --> 00:16:23,396 Speaker 1: think about what happened to Tristan Boudet, I always think 215 00:16:23,396 --> 00:16:26,996 Speaker 1: about the thin wall of his tent. He probably felt 216 00:16:27,036 --> 00:16:31,596 Speaker 1: so safe nestled in beside his girls. He trusted nature, 217 00:16:32,076 --> 00:16:35,836 Speaker 1: He wasn't scared. He had no idea what was out 218 00:16:35,876 --> 00:16:42,116 Speaker 1: there or how vulnerable he was going camping anywhere. Um, 219 00:16:43,076 --> 00:16:45,436 Speaker 1: something could happen. You know, there could be there could 220 00:16:45,476 --> 00:16:48,516 Speaker 1: be a bear, there could be a mountain lion. Those 221 00:16:48,516 --> 00:16:52,116 Speaker 1: are kind of inherent risks in nature that you know 222 00:16:52,156 --> 00:16:55,436 Speaker 1: they could be present, and you know if it happens, 223 00:16:55,676 --> 00:16:58,476 Speaker 1: you know, if if there's if there's a bear, you know, 224 00:16:58,476 --> 00:17:00,916 Speaker 1: it's the idea of that is really scary, right. But 225 00:17:01,516 --> 00:17:03,876 Speaker 1: usually when there's something like that, I mean, it's posted, 226 00:17:03,996 --> 00:17:07,996 Speaker 1: you know, you know what, you know that there's there 227 00:17:07,996 --> 00:17:13,116 Speaker 1: are predators out there lurking, and so maybe you keep 228 00:17:13,116 --> 00:17:14,996 Speaker 1: your kids a little bit closer and you keep your 229 00:17:15,076 --> 00:17:17,596 Speaker 1: kids a little bit safer that day. But you would 230 00:17:17,756 --> 00:17:20,196 Speaker 1: never go to a campground where there was a known 231 00:17:20,276 --> 00:17:27,596 Speaker 1: human predator. No, no one whatever did that. We did 232 00:17:27,636 --> 00:17:33,636 Speaker 1: not know that there was this danger at this park, 233 00:17:34,316 --> 00:17:39,076 Speaker 1: and had we known, we would never have put our 234 00:17:39,156 --> 00:17:49,396 Speaker 1: children in danger. Never. It was only after Tristan's death 235 00:17:49,436 --> 00:17:52,676 Speaker 1: that he and everyone in Malibu found out there was 236 00:17:52,716 --> 00:17:56,716 Speaker 1: a real danger. People were being targeted in Malibu Creek 237 00:17:56,756 --> 00:18:02,716 Speaker 1: State Park. Law enforcement knew and Tristan Boudette was not 238 00:18:02,876 --> 00:18:16,236 Speaker 1: the first victim. From twenty sixteen to twenty eighteen, there 239 00:18:16,276 --> 00:18:18,876 Speaker 1: was a series of shootings in and around Malibu Creek 240 00:18:18,876 --> 00:18:22,276 Speaker 1: State Park. One person was injured, but no one died. 241 00:18:23,156 --> 00:18:30,036 Speaker 1: These were near misses, six of them. I'm a thousand 242 00:18:30,076 --> 00:18:34,276 Speaker 1: feet above Malibu in a helicopter with the Twoey Write, 243 00:18:35,716 --> 00:18:39,956 Speaker 1: a retired sergeant detective from Lost Hills Station. That's a 244 00:18:39,996 --> 00:18:43,196 Speaker 1: small outpost of the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, and it 245 00:18:43,236 --> 00:18:47,076 Speaker 1: covers law enforcement for this whole area from coastal Malibu 246 00:18:47,156 --> 00:18:51,556 Speaker 1: to Calabasas and the miles and miles of wilderness in between. 247 00:18:51,916 --> 00:18:54,476 Speaker 1: It's a beautiful areas, are a wild area with some 248 00:18:54,596 --> 00:18:58,436 Speaker 1: rugged terrain. The sun such a beautiful out There's pointdo 249 00:18:59,516 --> 00:19:01,156 Speaker 1: over by the beach. I can see a line of 250 00:19:01,156 --> 00:19:05,196 Speaker 1: houses shoulder to shoulder on the sand. They look like toys. 251 00:19:05,236 --> 00:19:07,916 Speaker 1: From here. It's some of the most expensive real estate 252 00:19:08,356 --> 00:19:11,396 Speaker 1: in the world. You can see down there. That's Malibu Colony. 253 00:19:11,876 --> 00:19:16,436 Speaker 1: That little Peninsula of Holmes. There quite a few rich 254 00:19:16,436 --> 00:19:20,516 Speaker 1: and famous folks live there. We head inland over the mountains, 255 00:19:20,556 --> 00:19:25,036 Speaker 1: following Malibu Canyon Road. This should Malibu Canyon going in Here, 256 00:19:24,716 --> 00:19:28,116 Speaker 1: the highway goes along the canyon. It's a major road 257 00:19:28,476 --> 00:19:31,956 Speaker 1: connecting the beach and the valley. Something like twenty thousand 258 00:19:31,956 --> 00:19:34,956 Speaker 1: cars travel on it every day. Over and here is 259 00:19:35,916 --> 00:19:38,316 Speaker 1: some of the areas where like the Kardashians live and 260 00:19:38,396 --> 00:19:42,796 Speaker 1: all of that kind of And there's Malibu Creek State Park. 261 00:19:43,356 --> 00:19:49,356 Speaker 1: It's wild and pristine, volcanic rocks, oak savannah's undulating grasslands. 262 00:19:49,996 --> 00:19:52,876 Speaker 1: If you remember the opening sequence to the nineteen seventies 263 00:19:52,956 --> 00:19:57,476 Speaker 1: TV show Mash where the helicopter flies past craggy green peaks, 264 00:19:58,436 --> 00:20:02,796 Speaker 1: that's Malibu Creek State Park. But Sergeant Twey Wright see 265 00:20:02,916 --> 00:20:10,996 Speaker 1: something different. He sees the killing zone. Hey, I'm thinking 266 00:20:12,396 --> 00:20:14,716 Speaker 1: you might just to keep it simple. We might start 267 00:20:14,796 --> 00:20:18,996 Speaker 1: with the shootings and then moved to the burglaries and 268 00:20:19,036 --> 00:20:21,436 Speaker 1: then moved to the capture since it happened that way 269 00:20:21,556 --> 00:20:25,676 Speaker 1: and the capture route in the camp. That sounds like 270 00:20:25,756 --> 00:20:29,396 Speaker 1: a great sequence. Sergeant Wright was in charge of search 271 00:20:29,436 --> 00:20:33,676 Speaker 1: and rescue, finding hikers lost in the mountains below. His 272 00:20:33,836 --> 00:20:36,116 Speaker 1: knowledge of this terrain put him right in the center 273 00:20:36,116 --> 00:20:39,916 Speaker 1: of the investigation into Tristan Bodat's death and everything that 274 00:20:39,996 --> 00:20:45,516 Speaker 1: happened before and after it. Sergeant Wright asks the pilot 275 00:20:45,596 --> 00:20:48,756 Speaker 1: Pete to take a lap over the park. Pete, maybe 276 00:20:49,116 --> 00:20:52,796 Speaker 1: a left bank there, and we'll go back over towards Tapia. 277 00:20:55,436 --> 00:20:58,676 Speaker 1: Below us is a picnic spot, Tapia Park, at the 278 00:20:58,796 --> 00:21:02,276 Speaker 1: edge of Malibu Creek State Park. That's where in November 279 00:21:02,316 --> 00:21:07,396 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, a backpacker named Jimmy Rogers was shot hurt 280 00:21:07,516 --> 00:21:10,156 Speaker 1: but not killed. We'll see being in a hammock slung 281 00:21:10,236 --> 00:21:16,876 Speaker 1: between two trees near Miss number one. Over here in 282 00:21:16,956 --> 00:21:22,396 Speaker 1: the park. Down in the campground there is where the 283 00:21:22,516 --> 00:21:27,356 Speaker 1: next two incidents occurred. Less than a week later, and 284 00:21:27,396 --> 00:21:30,396 Speaker 1: about a mile away, in the campground where Bodat was 285 00:21:30,476 --> 00:21:33,476 Speaker 1: later killed, a man was shot at while inside his 286 00:21:33,516 --> 00:21:41,916 Speaker 1: camper near Miss number two. Two months later, in January 287 00:21:41,956 --> 00:21:45,316 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, there was another shooting in the same campground, 288 00:21:45,796 --> 00:21:49,836 Speaker 1: this time at a couple sleeping in their car near 289 00:21:49,836 --> 00:21:54,916 Speaker 1: Miss number Three's talking about the highway shootings. Then, in 290 00:21:54,956 --> 00:21:58,396 Speaker 1: the summer of twenty seventeen, the targets seemed to change 291 00:21:58,836 --> 00:22:02,876 Speaker 1: to moving cars driving along the canyon Road. In the 292 00:22:02,916 --> 00:22:05,436 Speaker 1: span of a few weeks, first a white Porsche and 293 00:22:05,436 --> 00:22:11,356 Speaker 1: then a white BMW were hit with gunfire near misses 294 00:22:11,436 --> 00:22:16,876 Speaker 1: four and five. Below us on the park side of 295 00:22:16,876 --> 00:22:20,596 Speaker 1: the canyon Road, there's a hill well concealed by bushes 296 00:22:20,636 --> 00:22:24,396 Speaker 1: and trees. You can see the hill and the brush 297 00:22:24,436 --> 00:22:26,996 Speaker 1: and the canopy trees come right up to the edge 298 00:22:26,996 --> 00:22:30,796 Speaker 1: of the highway YEP. Sergeant Rights theory is that a 299 00:22:30,836 --> 00:22:34,956 Speaker 1: shooter lay in wait, firing on approaching cars. It's a 300 00:22:34,956 --> 00:22:39,476 Speaker 1: good elevated position where you have immediate cover and an 301 00:22:39,476 --> 00:22:43,916 Speaker 1: immediate escape direction. The shootings in the park and on 302 00:22:43,956 --> 00:22:48,316 Speaker 1: the canyon Road were totally bizarre events rhymes with no reason. 303 00:22:48,916 --> 00:22:52,636 Speaker 1: They all happened at the same time around three four am. 304 00:22:52,756 --> 00:22:57,436 Speaker 1: Each one involved a single shot, but after near miss 305 00:22:57,556 --> 00:23:02,236 Speaker 1: number five things went quiet. Eleven months passed without another 306 00:23:02,236 --> 00:23:09,716 Speaker 1: shooting until June eighteenth, twenty eighteen. Early that morning, around 307 00:23:09,796 --> 00:23:13,436 Speaker 1: four am, in the same area, a Tesla, a white one, 308 00:23:13,796 --> 00:23:21,596 Speaker 1: was hit in the hood near miss number six. Even then, 309 00:23:21,796 --> 00:23:25,876 Speaker 1: after twenty months of unsolved shootings, law enforcement didn't alert 310 00:23:25,916 --> 00:23:30,156 Speaker 1: the public. The Sheriff's department stayed silent. And so did 311 00:23:30,236 --> 00:23:34,836 Speaker 1: California State Parks. There was no press conference, nothing was 312 00:23:34,916 --> 00:23:39,276 Speaker 1: posted at the park, no information wanted flier, not even 313 00:23:39,276 --> 00:23:44,556 Speaker 1: a suggestion to remain vigilant. And four days after the 314 00:23:44,596 --> 00:23:48,396 Speaker 1: Tesla was shot, Tristan Boudette was killed in the campground. 315 00:23:50,716 --> 00:23:54,596 Speaker 1: When you got the call that there had been a 316 00:23:54,716 --> 00:23:58,156 Speaker 1: shooting at the campground, it wasn't out of the blue 317 00:23:58,196 --> 00:24:01,116 Speaker 1: for you. I'm just putting myself in your shoes and 318 00:24:01,236 --> 00:24:04,796 Speaker 1: thinking you must have had a sinking feeling because there 319 00:24:04,836 --> 00:24:09,716 Speaker 1: had been a series of incidents leading up to that moment. Yeah, 320 00:24:08,876 --> 00:24:13,596 Speaker 1: that is true, and this was our greatest fear that 321 00:24:14,636 --> 00:24:18,876 Speaker 1: this was a serial shooter and that eventually he would 322 00:24:18,916 --> 00:24:21,596 Speaker 1: hit somebody and or kill them. He'd already hit somebody 323 00:24:21,596 --> 00:24:29,636 Speaker 1: in the beginning. So he's saying that privately, law enforcement 324 00:24:29,716 --> 00:24:34,036 Speaker 1: worried there was a potential serial killer at large. They 325 00:24:34,076 --> 00:24:37,116 Speaker 1: thought he was looking for victims and that Malibu Creek 326 00:24:37,156 --> 00:24:40,236 Speaker 1: State Park and the Canyon Road were his hunting ground. 327 00:24:42,236 --> 00:24:45,876 Speaker 1: While millions of people, oblivious of the danger, continued to 328 00:24:45,996 --> 00:24:48,676 Speaker 1: visit the trails, spend the night in the campground, and 329 00:24:48,756 --> 00:24:54,196 Speaker 1: travel on the Canyon Road. Even me, I took my 330 00:24:54,276 --> 00:24:57,356 Speaker 1: kids to Malibu Creek State Park in early twenty eighteen, 331 00:24:58,276 --> 00:25:00,236 Speaker 1: we walked the three mile loop to the rock pool. 332 00:25:00,876 --> 00:25:03,396 Speaker 1: It's a famous swimming spot, and we checked out the 333 00:25:03,436 --> 00:25:06,836 Speaker 1: teenagers jumping from the ledges. We talked about camping in 334 00:25:06,836 --> 00:25:10,436 Speaker 1: the campground when it got warm enough. It's hard not 335 00:25:10,516 --> 00:25:16,516 Speaker 1: to look back and wonder what if we had. After 336 00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:19,956 Speaker 1: the Bodat murder, the earlier victims the near misses went 337 00:25:19,996 --> 00:25:22,876 Speaker 1: to the media. There was an outcry in Malibu as 338 00:25:22,916 --> 00:25:27,476 Speaker 1: people began to panic about the canyon shooter. The campground 339 00:25:27,516 --> 00:25:31,316 Speaker 1: was temporarily closed, but though no one was in custody, 340 00:25:31,396 --> 00:25:34,196 Speaker 1: the rest of the park remained open, and there was 341 00:25:34,276 --> 00:25:39,916 Speaker 1: still no sign posted about anything that had transpired there. Then, 342 00:25:40,036 --> 00:25:42,556 Speaker 1: about a month after the murder, there was a rash 343 00:25:42,556 --> 00:25:46,036 Speaker 1: of mysterious burglaries from commercial buildings near the periphery of 344 00:25:46,036 --> 00:25:53,036 Speaker 1: the park. You wanna talk about the burgerschure, okay, scroungey 345 00:25:53,156 --> 00:25:57,556 Speaker 1: desperate stuff, Not laptops or cell phones, but sandwiches from 346 00:25:57,556 --> 00:26:01,676 Speaker 1: the fridge, seize candy, cinnamon rolls, junk food from the 347 00:26:01,676 --> 00:26:04,076 Speaker 1: front of a vending machine, smashed out with a rock. 348 00:26:05,276 --> 00:26:07,836 Speaker 1: A couple of these places had video surveillance and a 349 00:26:07,876 --> 00:26:12,036 Speaker 1: guy was caught on camera masked and wearing a headlamp 350 00:26:12,196 --> 00:26:15,316 Speaker 1: with a backpack what appeared to be a rifle sticking 351 00:26:15,316 --> 00:26:18,636 Speaker 1: out of it. The next place we're going to go 352 00:26:18,676 --> 00:26:22,476 Speaker 1: to is called the Calabasas Recreation Center, just so happens 353 00:26:22,516 --> 00:26:26,716 Speaker 1: to be directly next door to Malboy last tools sheriff station. 354 00:26:27,916 --> 00:26:31,356 Speaker 1: The area where all these crimes took place is essentially 355 00:26:31,396 --> 00:26:35,636 Speaker 1: the backyard of the sheriff station and one burglary. The 356 00:26:35,756 --> 00:26:39,956 Speaker 1: last one was literally next door, so he came within 357 00:26:40,276 --> 00:26:44,116 Speaker 1: what would you say, a hundred yards of the sheriff station. 358 00:26:44,916 --> 00:26:47,716 Speaker 1: I would say maybe even closer to the parking lot. 359 00:26:48,796 --> 00:26:51,556 Speaker 1: Sergeant Wright says he followed bootprints from the rec center's 360 00:26:51,596 --> 00:26:54,636 Speaker 1: parking lot up into the dusty, desolate hills behind the 361 00:26:54,636 --> 00:26:58,156 Speaker 1: Sheriff's station. Do you see that big oak tree down 362 00:26:58,156 --> 00:27:00,836 Speaker 1: at the bottom. Yep, we're looking at a fold in 363 00:27:00,876 --> 00:27:03,356 Speaker 1: the hills where a gnarled oak clings to the side 364 00:27:03,356 --> 00:27:06,756 Speaker 1: of a steep slope. The one furthest back towards the hill, 365 00:27:06,796 --> 00:27:15,036 Speaker 1: the big one. YEA. I figured there was a up here. Following, 366 00:27:15,036 --> 00:27:18,436 Speaker 1: Sergeant writes hunch half a dozen Sheriff's deputies returned to 367 00:27:18,476 --> 00:27:21,836 Speaker 1: the site of the last bootprint. As they trudged up 368 00:27:21,836 --> 00:27:24,556 Speaker 1: and down hills in the bright sun, the only sound 369 00:27:24,596 --> 00:27:28,516 Speaker 1: was a Sheriff's Department helicopter chuffing in the distance. But 370 00:27:28,676 --> 00:27:34,356 Speaker 1: then a deputy heard a strange, clanging noise echoing through 371 00:27:34,356 --> 00:27:39,196 Speaker 1: the canyon. It seemed to be coming from a ridge 372 00:27:39,236 --> 00:27:44,756 Speaker 1: to the west. Already steeped in shadow, the deputy dropped 373 00:27:44,756 --> 00:27:47,356 Speaker 1: to his knee and looked through the optic on his rifle. 374 00:27:48,556 --> 00:27:54,116 Speaker 1: Zooming in, he saw a man saw the whites of 375 00:27:54,116 --> 00:27:59,996 Speaker 1: his eyes, as he would later testify, clean cut, early forties, 376 00:28:00,076 --> 00:28:03,796 Speaker 1: wearing all black and a backpack with a rifle sticking 377 00:28:03,796 --> 00:28:08,836 Speaker 1: out the top. The deputies jumped him right outside his camp. 378 00:28:13,556 --> 00:28:16,996 Speaker 1: Of course, he tried to flee, but deputies were on 379 00:28:17,076 --> 00:28:20,796 Speaker 1: him real quick search and rescue and lost Hill's patrol 380 00:28:21,636 --> 00:28:26,076 Speaker 1: immediately got their guns on him, and at some point 381 00:28:26,076 --> 00:28:28,876 Speaker 1: he tossed the pack and you could see the rifle 382 00:28:28,956 --> 00:28:38,516 Speaker 1: sticking out of the pack. The man with the gun 383 00:28:38,716 --> 00:28:42,236 Speaker 1: was Anthony Routa, a loaner who'd been living in the 384 00:28:42,316 --> 00:28:47,356 Speaker 1: hills on and off for years. The cops celebrated was 385 00:28:47,356 --> 00:28:52,076 Speaker 1: the mystery of the canyon shooter. All wrapped up. Sergeant Wright, 386 00:28:52,156 --> 00:28:55,236 Speaker 1: who helped track Routa to his camp, admits that it 387 00:28:55,276 --> 00:29:00,156 Speaker 1: all seems a little neat the drifter living behind the station, 388 00:29:00,596 --> 00:29:04,356 Speaker 1: hiding in plain view. That guy's responsible for what may 389 00:29:04,356 --> 00:29:09,396 Speaker 1: be the most violent crime wave in Malibu history. I 390 00:29:09,436 --> 00:29:11,436 Speaker 1: would think it would take some nerve to commit a 391 00:29:11,476 --> 00:29:15,276 Speaker 1: burglary direct next door to the station. I mean, why 392 00:29:15,316 --> 00:29:18,956 Speaker 1: would somebody commit a murder and then hold on to 393 00:29:19,036 --> 00:29:22,316 Speaker 1: the same weapon and then do burglaries on videotape and 394 00:29:22,476 --> 00:29:26,076 Speaker 1: making no very little effort to hide other than putting 395 00:29:26,076 --> 00:29:29,436 Speaker 1: a mask on part of your face. There's an assumption 396 00:29:29,516 --> 00:29:33,836 Speaker 1: that most criminals would think, if their picture was captured 397 00:29:33,836 --> 00:29:37,156 Speaker 1: on camera with a weapon, that there's going to be 398 00:29:37,196 --> 00:29:44,556 Speaker 1: a heightened law enforcement effort to engage them. And that's 399 00:29:44,596 --> 00:30:22,036 Speaker 1: exactly what happened. Okay number four and number five one calendar, Anthony, 400 00:30:22,556 --> 00:30:24,956 Speaker 1: It's been a long morning. In a cold court room 401 00:30:24,996 --> 00:30:29,356 Speaker 1: near the County Jail in downtown Los Angeles, Anthony Rawda 402 00:30:29,636 --> 00:30:33,636 Speaker 1: is late for his hearing. Officially, at this stage, the 403 00:30:33,716 --> 00:30:36,756 Speaker 1: charges have nothing to do with murder. Rauda is in 404 00:30:36,876 --> 00:30:40,596 Speaker 1: violation of the terms of his post release community supervision, 405 00:30:41,556 --> 00:30:44,596 Speaker 1: meaning he's an ex felon. He hasn't shown up to 406 00:30:44,636 --> 00:30:47,596 Speaker 1: meet with his probation officer for two years, and he's 407 00:30:47,636 --> 00:30:51,116 Speaker 1: not supposed to have weapons or ammunition. The deputies who 408 00:30:51,236 --> 00:30:55,636 Speaker 1: arrested him at his campsite say he had both unofficially, 409 00:30:55,676 --> 00:30:58,556 Speaker 1: though the charges seem to have everything to do with 410 00:30:58,556 --> 00:31:02,156 Speaker 1: the killing in Malibu Creek State Park. Only a few 411 00:31:02,196 --> 00:31:05,476 Speaker 1: hours after Roudah's arrest, the sheriff himself had a press 412 00:31:05,516 --> 00:31:09,756 Speaker 1: conference at the Hall of Justice, that's department headquarters downtown, 413 00:31:10,636 --> 00:31:13,076 Speaker 1: and while they didn't quite say that Roudah was the 414 00:31:13,156 --> 00:31:15,956 Speaker 1: suspect in the shootings or the murder, it was a 415 00:31:15,956 --> 00:31:19,156 Speaker 1: big show. The captain of the Major Crimes Bureau, the 416 00:31:19,236 --> 00:31:22,596 Speaker 1: Lost Hills Captain, a top official from California State Parks. 417 00:31:23,516 --> 00:31:26,916 Speaker 1: And now Roudah's being held without bail. And there are 418 00:31:26,916 --> 00:31:29,156 Speaker 1: two plain closed detectives in the front row of the 419 00:31:29,196 --> 00:31:33,316 Speaker 1: courtroom talking loudly about a fishing cabin. One of the 420 00:31:33,356 --> 00:31:36,196 Speaker 1: detectives has long gray hair and a beard, and is 421 00:31:36,196 --> 00:31:40,716 Speaker 1: wearing ship kickers and jeans. The other, lean, with sunken cheeks, 422 00:31:41,076 --> 00:31:44,076 Speaker 1: sneers at me when I try to say hello. Later, 423 00:31:44,356 --> 00:31:47,516 Speaker 1: I'll find out that the lean one is Detective Mark Donnell, 424 00:31:48,076 --> 00:31:49,996 Speaker 1: and that the one with the ship kickers is a 425 00:31:50,036 --> 00:31:55,396 Speaker 1: detective named Tye Barry, complicated guy a long and twisted 426 00:31:55,436 --> 00:31:59,036 Speaker 1: history with the Sheriff's Department. Donald and Barry are both 427 00:31:59,076 --> 00:32:07,796 Speaker 1: part of the Major Crimes Bureau and worked the Malibu case. Finally, 428 00:32:07,956 --> 00:32:11,796 Speaker 1: Rouda enters with a deputy in blue latex gloves gripping 429 00:32:11,836 --> 00:32:16,316 Speaker 1: his arm, guiding him to his seat. My first impression 430 00:32:16,316 --> 00:32:22,316 Speaker 1: of Anthony Rowta is he's pale, library pale an indoorsman, 431 00:32:23,356 --> 00:32:26,876 Speaker 1: not the weather beaten, leather skinned survivalist I'd been expecting. 432 00:32:27,796 --> 00:32:31,396 Speaker 1: His hair is dark and slicked back in individual lines 433 00:32:31,436 --> 00:32:36,596 Speaker 1: that look pencil drawn, a little goatee, blue jumpsuit, wrists 434 00:32:36,636 --> 00:32:41,236 Speaker 1: cuffed behind his back. He's separated from the rest of 435 00:32:41,236 --> 00:32:44,756 Speaker 1: the courtroom by a plexiglass partition. But he has something 436 00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:48,836 Speaker 1: he wants to say to the judge. Welcome to speed, 437 00:32:50,356 --> 00:32:52,876 Speaker 1: over defense objection, and I would ask if anything to 438 00:32:52,996 --> 00:32:59,756 Speaker 1: be off the record. That's Rounda's public defender attempting to intervene, 439 00:32:59,876 --> 00:33:05,796 Speaker 1: and that's the judge who looks exceptionally annoyed. I I 440 00:33:05,796 --> 00:33:09,276 Speaker 1: want to speak. You don't have rights to speed, but 441 00:33:09,396 --> 00:33:11,636 Speaker 1: he's seeking through your return No I'm not going to speak. 442 00:33:11,756 --> 00:33:13,556 Speaker 1: I'm not going to cooperate with the pub defenders opposee 443 00:33:13,556 --> 00:33:19,436 Speaker 1: anymore's thousand okason. On that one, Rowdah hurls himself against 444 00:33:19,476 --> 00:33:22,476 Speaker 1: the plexiglass piece of ship. You're a piece of ship, 445 00:33:22,556 --> 00:33:25,396 Speaker 1: bitch sharks that motherfucker. The bailiff calls for help and 446 00:33:25,436 --> 00:33:28,676 Speaker 1: a bunch of deputies appear. They kick all the reporters out, 447 00:33:28,716 --> 00:33:30,916 Speaker 1: but they forget about the microphones that have been placed 448 00:33:30,916 --> 00:33:33,356 Speaker 1: on a podium at the front of the courtroom. And 449 00:33:33,436 --> 00:33:36,396 Speaker 1: that's when Rowdah tells the judge to go fuck himself. 450 00:33:37,836 --> 00:33:39,916 Speaker 1: I think my client is a little over brought, having 451 00:33:39,956 --> 00:33:46,716 Speaker 1: been in custody. Fuck you. He seems mad at everyone, 452 00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:50,916 Speaker 1: the judge, the DA, the bailiff, even as public defender 453 00:33:51,396 --> 00:33:59,996 Speaker 1: the one person who wants to help him. Roudah appears desperate, furious, trapped, 454 00:34:00,836 --> 00:34:03,916 Speaker 1: He's thrashing about in the fluorescent light of this dingy, 455 00:34:04,036 --> 00:34:09,676 Speaker 1: cold courtroom. He reminds me of the mountain lions hemmed 456 00:34:09,716 --> 00:34:30,956 Speaker 1: in stressed out. A dangerous ghost is a gaining session. 457 00:34:33,316 --> 00:34:35,836 Speaker 1: Several weeks later, when I see route end coourt, he's 458 00:34:35,916 --> 00:34:40,516 Speaker 1: undergone a disturbing transformation. He's strapped to a restraint chair, 459 00:34:40,716 --> 00:34:43,676 Speaker 1: his face covered by a mesh mask to stop him 460 00:34:43,676 --> 00:34:46,756 Speaker 1: from spitting at the deputies. His head laws to one 461 00:34:46,796 --> 00:34:51,236 Speaker 1: side as if he's under heavy sedation. I noticed that 462 00:34:51,276 --> 00:34:53,876 Speaker 1: the public defender who Route has been trying to fire, 463 00:34:54,436 --> 00:34:57,556 Speaker 1: is gesturing to me. He wants me to come talk 464 00:34:57,596 --> 00:35:00,116 Speaker 1: to him in a quiet corner at the back of 465 00:35:00,116 --> 00:35:04,356 Speaker 1: the courtroom. I got the information, unfortunately under sealed, and 466 00:35:04,396 --> 00:35:09,996 Speaker 1: so I can't He's talking about the discovery, the evidence 467 00:35:10,036 --> 00:35:12,916 Speaker 1: provided by the Sheriff's department about the weapon and ammunition 468 00:35:12,956 --> 00:35:16,396 Speaker 1: that Routa was arrested with. I don't think they've got 469 00:35:16,396 --> 00:35:20,876 Speaker 1: the ballistics or anything. In other words, he doesn't think 470 00:35:20,876 --> 00:35:23,676 Speaker 1: they have enough to charge Routo with murder. You know, 471 00:35:23,876 --> 00:35:28,756 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what direction you're going in there checked 472 00:35:28,756 --> 00:35:33,876 Speaker 1: any others. I don't know any It means to be 473 00:35:34,076 --> 00:35:38,676 Speaker 1: ricky okay, because I don't think this killer is the shooter. 474 00:35:39,556 --> 00:35:43,556 Speaker 1: There's a killer out there, and I don't know if 475 00:35:44,836 --> 00:35:47,476 Speaker 1: they shouldn't even be guessing. I don't know what his 476 00:35:47,636 --> 00:35:50,036 Speaker 1: family situation was. I don't know if there was any arrivals. 477 00:35:50,076 --> 00:35:54,156 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything else something wrong Skid 478 00:35:54,196 --> 00:35:58,196 Speaker 1: didn't do. He's crazy. That was so much pressure that 479 00:35:58,236 --> 00:36:02,516 Speaker 1: they had to arrest somebody. I think they got the 480 00:36:02,596 --> 00:36:06,636 Speaker 1: crisy guy. They probably want him in custody so that 481 00:36:06,756 --> 00:36:12,196 Speaker 1: that they can get the sky interest or somebody doctor him, 482 00:36:12,356 --> 00:36:16,516 Speaker 1: get him corminating stuff. It's the only thing I can 483 00:36:16,516 --> 00:36:20,796 Speaker 1: figure because of these knots. It's unfair. He believes that 484 00:36:20,876 --> 00:36:24,356 Speaker 1: route is a sacrificial lamb, meant to appease the agitated 485 00:36:24,396 --> 00:36:41,236 Speaker 1: Malibu community. Anyway, just between him and when Tristan Boudett 486 00:36:41,316 --> 00:36:44,156 Speaker 1: was killed shot in Malibu Creek State Park in the 487 00:36:44,196 --> 00:36:48,756 Speaker 1: hour before dawn, I couldn't stop thinking about it. Then 488 00:36:49,156 --> 00:36:52,516 Speaker 1: I found out about all the other shootings too. Now 489 00:36:52,796 --> 00:36:56,436 Speaker 1: the cops have arrested Anthony Rowda, a homeless guy living 490 00:36:56,436 --> 00:36:59,196 Speaker 1: behind the station, and they seem to want everyone to 491 00:36:59,236 --> 00:37:03,196 Speaker 1: think that it's all his fault, that he's the perfect 492 00:37:03,236 --> 00:37:07,916 Speaker 1: bad guy, a single efficient explanation for everything that's been 493 00:37:07,916 --> 00:37:11,396 Speaker 1: going on. I don't know what to believe, but I 494 00:37:11,436 --> 00:37:15,156 Speaker 1: know that's not the whole story. Could Anthony Rowda have 495 00:37:15,236 --> 00:37:20,396 Speaker 1: committed all these crimes? What was law enforcement doing this 496 00:37:20,396 --> 00:37:49,996 Speaker 1: whole time? How did Malibu turn into the killing zone