1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stupidity, home of the greatest media mind ever 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: to walk the planet. 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, man, He's a literal titan across 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 2: the entire media landscape. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 3: Okay, sure, here's a deal. 6 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 2: He's a true icon in every sense of the word. 7 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: He's loved and feared more than any being to Grace's planet. 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: They got hey, I'm mad with a voice that sounds 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: like Verry White, and be got to say, hey, let's 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: do it, baby, God himself would pay thirty nine ninety 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: nine for a cameo. Fact of the matter is you 12 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: are about to embark on a transcendent experience that can 13 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: only be described as psychological nudity. 14 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 2: This is Stu Box and this is Stupidity. 15 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 3: Here we go, Jim to. 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: Welcome in to another episode of Stupotoity, the biggest podcast 17 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: in the world. Thanks to you, Please subscribe, rate and review, unsubscribe, resubscribe, rerate, 18 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: re review. Listening is optional. Mike, Yeah, what are we 19 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 2: doing today? Why did I just more fan the man Dog? Yeah? Yeah, 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: yo today? 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 4: Have you done that show yet? I know you have to? 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 4: All right, have you done it yet? 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 3: No? 24 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 4: I haven't done it yet. 25 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: I am there are a few shows during this little 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: free agency period that I'm going to do just to 27 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 2: piss off Dan. Like, I'm gonna fill in for boomersiasin 28 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 2: on w FA and do the show with Gianati because 29 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 2: he's a friend of mine. I'm gonna do Adam Shine show. 30 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do Man Dog show. I'm gonna do Dan 31 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 2: Patrick's show. Now, I'm telling you this without having asked 32 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: Dan Patrick. 33 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 3: What does he have to do with it? 34 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: Hen care at this point, but you listen, he was 35 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 2: a guest on Stupid. Does it sound like Dan Patrick 36 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: cares about anything at this point in his career? 37 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: No? 38 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 4: No, I mean like he basically brushed off the entire thing, 39 00:01:58,720 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 4: and it was like, what do you want to do? 40 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 4: But what the fuck do you want to do? Let's 41 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 4: go by the way. If you do Mad Dog, I'm 42 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 4: calling in as all the New York callers that he's 43 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 4: ever had in his entire career at w F A 44 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 4: N and I'm just gonna scream at you as the 45 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 4: New York callers. I want Jeff Nelson off this team, 46 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: i want his mother off this team. I want Aaron 47 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 4: Boom fired. I'm just gonna scream at you, alright, let's 48 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 4: try it out. I'm gonna be mad talking all Let's 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 4: go out to it. Joey and the Bronx, Joey and 50 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 4: the Bronx. 51 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, let's got the sALS in Brooklyn today. 52 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: Good after that? 53 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 4: Saldy doing? I do and listen. I got a couple 54 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 4: things to say about my beloved Jets. All right, what 55 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: are we doing with this guy, the Shawn Watson? Why 56 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 4: is he gonna be any better with those scrubs we 57 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 4: got hanging around him? I want all these guys off 58 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: this team. I want a new roster. I want it today. 59 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 4: Hey you doing, I'll hang up and listen. 60 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: My god, that wass the show that was the entire show? 61 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 2: What what we just? What we just played out for 62 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: you was the show that got me into this bace. 63 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 4: It's the show that I fell in love to my childhood. 64 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: Man, such a big part of my child that all 65 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 2: my fondest memories are listening to Michael good call. Yeah, 66 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 2: all my fondest memories of are listening to Man. 67 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 4: I had a bad child of you. 68 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: It's just old of me. Did you see? I was 69 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: like a mid sentence and I was like, wait a second, 70 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: My fondest memories are Mike and Chris. They are no 71 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 2: not not uh yeah no no. So listen, Tom Brady 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: is about to play in his tenth Super Bowl and 73 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: so it's it's Super Bowl week, Mike, and so I'm 74 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: just wondering, I, like, you have been sending me text 75 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: about a person that you spoke to yesterday about a 76 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: documentary that is coming out this week, inexplicable five years 77 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: after the fat about the flake Gate. Yeah, what the 78 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: hell are we doing? What are we doing to Tom 79 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: Brady as he's about to play in his tenth Super Bowl? Mike. 80 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 4: So you and I are diehard Jet fans, and I 81 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 4: know I'm convinced, and we haven't really spoken about it, 82 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 4: but I'm pretty sure because you're a Jet fan, you're 83 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 4: convinced that there is no way this is happening without cheating. Okay, 84 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 4: that like, Tom Brady must cheat. The Patriots have been cheating. 85 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 4: We know that. So this guy, Robert Blecker, he's a 86 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: professor emeritus at New York Law School, and he was 87 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 4: in this documentary called Four Games in the Fall. 88 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: So the four games of the Fall that Brady missed. 89 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 4: Yes, right, Yes, that's what it alludes. 90 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 2: To because because he was suspended for cheats, right, okay, 91 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: And basically, Robert is going to defend tom Brady. 92 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 4: And when I spoke to him yesterday and I told 93 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 4: him who we are, he basically he called me hatriots. 94 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 4: He called us hatriots, and I said, you're not wrong, 95 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 4: You're not wrong. But that doesn't mean that I want 96 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: him to convince us that tom Brady is innocent. 97 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So oh that's what we're doing. Okay, 98 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: So you and I as Jet fans, regardless of whatever 99 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: proof is put in front of us, we are conditioned 100 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 2: to think that Tom Brady is a cheater. And so 101 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: you are bringing a guy on Will who will vehemently, okay, 102 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 2: disagree with us and will provide us with proof that 103 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: tom Brady did not cheat, did not deserve that four 104 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: game suspension. And if he could convince us, then he 105 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: can convince anyone. Right, So he's basically going to try 106 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: to convince us that tom Brady did not cheat. We're 107 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 2: in chent that tom Brady is the biggest cheater of 108 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 2: the history of sports. That's it, right. 109 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 4: I don't want to say Robert has no shot at 110 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 4: convincing us, but it's not climbing Mount Everest. This is 111 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 4: ice skating up Mount Everest that he's going to try 112 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 4: and do. Okay, I just don't see how. 113 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 2: This will be the most difficult task of his life. 114 00:05:59,040 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying. 115 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: I can't see how he's going to convince two absolutely 116 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: miserable jet fans like us that Tom Brady and the 117 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 4: Patriots aren't cheaters. 118 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: All right. So this guy, so he is a big part. 119 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: So this is not the director or the executive producer. 120 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 2: This is just a gentleman who's an attorney, who's clearly 121 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: a Patriot. 122 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 4: He's a big part of the documentary. And when I 123 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 4: reached out to the director, she was happy to She said, 124 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 4: I'm happy to come on with you, but I think 125 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 4: it will be better for you to have this guy on. 126 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So he's a gas band, Yes, he's 127 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: a gas band Patriot fan who happens to be an attorney. 128 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 4: What he what he had said to me yesterday, was 129 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 4: how we're using the evidence is absolutely crazy, how we're 130 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 4: just making things okay, And I said, I didn't. I 131 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 4: just wake it up. I saw deflated footballs right exactly right. 132 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 2: So all right, so we'll let him try to convince us, 133 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: and listen, I'm between you and I. Listen. This is 134 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: between me, you and the audience. Okay, whatever he says, 135 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: he ain't convincing us. Okay, let me just say it 136 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: on the front. I don't care if he presents me. Okay, 137 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 2: with tom Brady taking those deflated balls and blowing them 138 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 2: up and making him bigger by himself, I don't care. 139 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: I'll still say you Cheatah. 140 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 4: Getting an air pump himself and doing it on the 141 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 4: sideline will not convince me. Distinct video evidence of him 142 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: being like, guys, these are underinflated. I've told you a 143 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 4: thousand times. They have to be a certain level. And 144 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 4: then him getting the little pin and putting it in 145 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: the football and pumping it up with the air pump 146 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 4: will not convince me that tom Brady didn't cheat. 147 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: Quick game of athletes that cannot cheaters Tom Brady, he 148 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: doesn't cannot get I like that though. That would be uh, 149 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: that would be athletes that cannote uh old time sitcoms, 150 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:00,119 Speaker 2: Tom Brady, Tyreek Hill, the Cheetah. 151 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: I like that. 152 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 2: So you have to think like banks, right, There's there's 153 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: plenty of banks, right. There have to be plenty of 154 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 2: Marcus Banks, I think is a guy. I recall there's 155 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: got to be plenty of Banks. And then you get 156 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: into like what other things, like well, there's Robs robbers robs, 157 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 2: there's Banks, there's Skis Skis anyway, Bill Romanowski, Rob gronkowskis. 158 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 4: About that? How about that? 159 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: I'm Tommy the Gun Morrison. Ah, I'm trying to think Crystal, 160 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 2: that's actually rob But now we're just Robin Banks. That's 161 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 2: not cheating, but but cheaters, like cheating. I'm thinking like cheeters. 162 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 2: Uh like Tyreek Hill is fantastic. 163 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: I emptied the tech real early. I emptied the tech 164 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 4: real early. In this, you really did. I'm very upset, Like, 165 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 4: give me some cheating terms. What are some cheating. 166 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 2: Let me let me, let me let me look here, 167 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: go to my little thing I like to call Google, 168 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: the Google machine terms cheating terms. You can think I 169 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: would know this. I cheated cheats for a living. Uh. 170 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 4: You know there's a you don't cheat, you you swindle? 171 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: I do very thank you. It's very nice cheating that 172 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: he swindled those balls. Trickery canary, it's a funny word 173 00:09:50,040 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 2: of uh, frauds. Kyle Craftiness, Bob craft Bob Craftiness. That's 174 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: his new name, Bob Craftiness. Oh god, did I end 175 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: the game right? 176 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 4: I think you did. I mean slick Rick. 177 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's pretty good. That is really really good. 178 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 2: Uh cunning, deceit. I don't like it. It's like I'm 179 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 2: looking in the mirror. 180 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 4: I was gonna say, are you are you just reading 181 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 4: your your your Valentine's card from your wife? 182 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm closing this page out page is done, 183 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: all right, so we're gonna have this uh this uh, 184 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: this attorney on from the documentary what is the name 185 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 2: of the doc. 186 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: Four Games in the Fall? 187 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: Said? You said four yeah, four Games in the Fall. 188 00:10:58,760 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: So I need to promote that. 189 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 4: It's on Amazon. 190 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: It is on Amazon or Game to the Fall Amazon, 191 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: It's available right now. 192 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 4: Available now. 193 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 2: I was gonna watch it, You're gonna watch it. The 194 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: prep for this, but then you realize you have to 195 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 2: pay for it. That's what you're supposed to call me 196 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: and say, Stu, I need to watch this prep work 197 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 2: and listen for future reference. Just call me. I will 198 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 2: pay for it, and you just put it under the 199 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 2: prep work. 200 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 4: Well, there's plenty of stuff on HBO. Max I need, 201 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna need a subscription. Stu, Stu. Baby, here's 202 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 4: what's gonna happen. Hey, listen, anybody who's still paying for 203 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 4: porn has bigger problems show prep. 204 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, but listen, I realized you get it for free. 205 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: But I heard this from a friend. 206 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 4: Subscription. 207 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: It's like a whole new level and a whole new 208 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 2: world what you actually do pay for it? Okay, all right, 209 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: So we have h we have Robert Blecker on uh 210 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: now what do you how do you pronounce it? Professor 211 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: meretas Meredith? Really, this is very exciting. The guy who's 212 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: going to try to convince us that Tom Brady is 213 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: not a cheater, explain to me how he's playing in 214 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 2: a tense Super Bowl at forty three? 215 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 4: Go ahead, did you see the stat today of the 216 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 4: list of quarterbacks that were admitted to the Hall of 217 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 4: Fame younger than Tom Brady is right now playing in 218 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 4: the Super Bowl? Like Steve Young was forty two when 219 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: he got into the like when they went into the 220 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. And Tom Brady is a year older 221 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: and he's playing in the Super Bowl. 222 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:39,839 Speaker 2: Is there a chance Brady gets uh when he finally 223 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: makes it to the Hall of Fame, will be dead. 224 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: I guess not. He's playing football at forty. That guy's 225 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: gonna live forever. He is because he cheats. You know that, Yes, 226 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 2: you know that. That premise used to scare the hell 227 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: out of me because he was on the Patriots. And 228 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 2: now I'm like, yeah, five more years do it in Tampa, 229 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 2: leave me alone. Yeah, but it's just I just cannot 230 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: believe we are about to watch in twenty twenty one. 231 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: If I told you in twenty eleven, ten years from now, 232 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 2: you'll still be watching Brady and Gronk in a Super Bowl, 233 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: you would have been like to get the fuck out 234 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 2: of here. Yet here we are. 235 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 4: Can you root for him like I'm somebody like now 236 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 4: that he's out of New England, I can root for him. 237 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 3: I'm rooting. 238 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: I mean, listen for him in Tampa. I wonder if 239 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 2: Boston fans are rooting. We have the we have the 240 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: attorney on Robert Blecker. How do you pronounce this Professor 241 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: Emeritas at New York Law School. Yes, yes, Mike, you 242 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: were right, Mikey, I have had that. 243 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I spoke to Robert yesterday. We we got this 244 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 4: out there. 245 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 3: Yes, think of me as a philosopher of sport more 246 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: than as an attorney. I'm serious. 247 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: Fine, okay, well, I mean now that's fine. You're listen. 248 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 2: I love it. You're the philosopher of sport. I love it. 249 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 2: That is So what is your role here? Because Mikey 250 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 2: I said, he spoke to you yesterday. You're very passionate. 251 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: You have two Jet fans on the line. By the way, 252 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 2: we think Tom Brady is a cheater. It is your 253 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: job to convince s that he is not. 254 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: By the way, my condolences on being a Jet fan. No, 255 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 3: actually they accused me of in the film and the 256 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 3: first promos for the film. It's a it's a very 257 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: good piece of work. And I said, I don't get 258 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 3: any money from it, but it's very convincing. I mean, 259 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: even for Jet fans, as self deluded as they are. 260 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 3: It's it's it's by the way, are you out? Are 261 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 3: you both out as Jet fans? I mean, can I 262 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: can I acknowledge that publicly? And will you acknowledge it? Yeah? 263 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, we have. 264 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 2: We I've been doing it for twenty years acknowledging it publicly. Unfortunately, 265 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: but well, yeah. 266 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 4: We're both that. 267 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 2: We have both admitted to our jet fandom. 268 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: Yes, well the masochism involved in that and the delusion. 269 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 3: But that's okay, You're right, I'm not a Patriots I'm 270 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 3: not a Patriots fan either, by the way, I'm not. 271 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 3: I mean, if you see the movie, two of the 272 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 3: leading I'm one of two, well one of three actually 273 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 3: leading voices. One of them is Mike McCann, who is 274 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 3: a Patriots fan. But John Leonard, who is the professor 275 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 3: of measurements at m i T, takes you through the 276 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 3: science and the mathematics, and he's a Philadelphia Eagles fan. 277 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 3: And his his conclusion is he said he would stake 278 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: his reputation on the fact that they did not cheat. 279 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that's not convincing enough. No, no, anyway, Rob, 280 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 2: right by, Rob, I can't. 281 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 3: Rob. 282 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, your biggest mission is going to be 283 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 2: able to convince me and Mike, Okay, and maybe you will. Okay, 284 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: and you're off to a decent start, although I'm not 285 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: there yet. Where your mission today is to convince us 286 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 2: that Tom Brady is not And if you could do that, 287 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: then listen, we'll roll with you. We're not saying word 288 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 2: verse to it. Were you just have to convincem. 289 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: Okay, that's fine, that's. 290 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 2: Sign taken to do it. So, rob why were you 291 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: one of the three main people that spoke in this movie? 292 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: And by the way, Four Games in the Fall its 293 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: available right now on Amazon, so go check it out. 294 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 2: Unless you're mikey A, your credit card doesn't work. So Robert, 295 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: why are you featured in this film? Explain that? 296 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: Well, one of the reasons was that I appeared on 297 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 3: sixty minute Sports because I had discovered objective evidence of 298 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 3: the fraud the referee. If you remember the essence of 299 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 3: the allegation of the flight gate is that all the 300 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: Patriots balls, which were measured at halftime in an extraordinary moment, 301 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: had never been done before. Remember there was a ball 302 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: that was intercepted. It felt soft. They measured the PSI. 303 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 3: They messed the Patriots balls in the locker room at halftime. 304 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: They measured four of the Colts balls. The way the 305 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 3: NFL announced it and the way the media seized hold 306 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: of it, was that all of the Patriots balls measured 307 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: below the minimum level a legal level of pressure, which 308 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 3: was twelve point five psi pounds per square inch, and 309 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 3: all of the Colts balls measured above it. First of all, 310 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 3: that's not true, but even assuming it were, it turns 311 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 3: out the league was completely ignorant of the ideal gas law. 312 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: The Patriots balls, the league rules require that the balls 313 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 3: start out between twelve point five and thirteen point five 314 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 3: pounds per square inch. Tom Brady's, whose hands are not large, 315 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: prefers the lower end of the range, always preferred to 316 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 3: a twelve point five. So in the locker room, all 317 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 3: the balls were set and the referee used one of 318 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 3: two gages that he had forty eight times to measure 319 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 3: the balls twenty four Patriots balls and twenty four Colts balls. 320 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 3: The balls were measured at twelve point five in a 321 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 3: seventy one degree locker room. They were then taken out 322 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 3: onto a wet field and played for two hours in 323 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: forty one degrees and rain. Since one of the balls 324 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: felt soft, all the balls were taken back into the 325 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: locker room and remeasured, and all of them measured in 326 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 3: below twelve point five. Well, of course they measured below 327 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 3: twelve point five. They were set at twelve point five, 328 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 3: which is the legal minimum in a seventy one degree 329 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: dry locker room. If you take your car in a 330 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 3: cold morning and measure the tire pressure, you will find 331 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: that your tires have become deflated because the cold will 332 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 3: deflate them. So if you measure them at the initially 333 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 3: at the legal minimum in a seventy one degree locker room, 334 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 3: and then play with them for two hours in the 335 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 3: cold and rain of and then measure them immediately upon 336 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 3: returning to the locker room, of course they will measure 337 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,479 Speaker 3: below the legal minimum. If they didn't, science couldn't explain it. 338 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: In fact, as John Leonard points out in the film, 339 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 3: and John Leonard again is a professor of measurements at 340 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 3: MIT and a Philadelphia Eagles fan. As John Leonard points out, 341 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 3: they measured exactly where they should have measured under the 342 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 3: ideal gas law. And so the attack on the Patriots 343 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 3: for cheating was first of all, all the balls. The 344 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: Patriots balls measured below the legal minimum. Of course they did, 345 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 3: since they were set at the legal minimum and then 346 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: played in cold, wet weather. The second attack was all 347 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 3: the Patriots balls measured below the legal minimum, while the 348 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: Colts balls measured above the legal minimum. First of all, 349 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 3: they only measured four Colts balls in the locker room 350 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: at halftime, and three out of the four measured above 351 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 3: the legal minimum, and the fourth did not. But remember 352 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: they weren't set at the legal minimum. They were set 353 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 3: in the middle range at thirteen point zho. And when 354 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: they were taken back to the locker room, first the 355 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: Patriots balls were measured, and then, believe it or not, 356 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 3: somehow in the exponent report they couldn't come to an 357 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 3: agreement as to what happened next. Only three things happened 358 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: in the locker room, and there were two people measuring 359 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 3: and two people observing, all NFL officials. Patriots balls measured, 360 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,679 Speaker 3: Patriots balls reinflated back to the legal minimum, actually to 361 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 3: the middle range thirteen to oh, and then Colts balls measured, 362 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: and then the second half began. The only plausible order 363 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 3: was Patriots balls measured, Patriots balls reinflated, four Colts balls measured. 364 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 3: After all, why would they stop at four except the 365 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 3: second half was due to begin and they were late, 366 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 3: and then back out to the locker room. The significance 367 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 3: of that is during the seven minutes that it took 368 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 3: them to first measure the Patriots balls and then reinflate 369 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:08,239 Speaker 3: them to the legal minimum, all during that time, the 370 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 3: Colts balls are warming up in the same seventy one 371 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: degree locker room and reinflating, so the pressure increases as 372 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,239 Speaker 3: they get warmer. So the bottom line of all of 373 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 3: this is that science fully explains the drop and measured 374 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 3: pressure of the Patriots balls, the greater drop in Patriots 375 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: balls pressure than the Colts balls, and the greater dispersion 376 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 3: in the measurements because of the wet. Remember also that 377 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 3: the Patriots dominated the first half of this game, which 378 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 3: meant they were playing with the balls and they were 379 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 3: out in the weather, and the Colts only had played 380 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: with them for a few minutes and only with a 381 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: few of them, so most of them were still in 382 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 3: the bag and they weren't as wet. 383 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 2: But Robert, it's this is an important part to point 384 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 2: out for your credibility. And you know this. You said 385 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: you're not a polon. 386 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,479 Speaker 3: Right. When I first heard that they had been caught cheating, 387 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 3: I was thrilled and I said, oh good, they finally 388 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 3: got the Patriots, and they finally got Tom Brady. And 389 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 3: then when and when I read the report, the Wells report, 390 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: so go Wells report based upon this company exponent, who 391 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: should have known better. Look, one of the questions is 392 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 3: before you label one of the great quarterbacks. You may 393 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: not like Tom Brady, and I was no Brady fan, 394 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 3: but you have to rank him as one of the greatest, 395 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 3: if not the greatest quarterback of all times. I mean, 396 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: he's now about to enter his tenth Super Bowl with 397 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 3: a team that certainly was not expected to be there 398 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: this year. He has now gotten a label of cheat 399 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 3: attached to him by people like you, but not only you, 400 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: generally the public. He's going to retire soon. I mean, 401 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 3: one wonders when at forty three, when he's still apparently 402 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 3: at the top of his game, there will at present 403 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 3: be an asterisk next to his name. Yes, he was 404 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 3: a great, great, great quarterback. Body he was caught cheating, 405 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,880 Speaker 3: and think about that, the nature of that allegation, especially 406 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: from someone who really respects the game of football, which 407 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 3: he does. He's been labeled to cheat and he isn't. 408 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,479 Speaker 3: Now how short do you have to be that someone's 409 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 3: a cheat before you're convinced that he is a cheat. Well, 410 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 3: in the criminal law, which I taught for decades, the 411 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 3: standard burden er persuasion is proof beyond a reasonable doubt 412 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 3: and theory Brady was punished. I mean, that's the title 413 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: of the movie Four Games in Fall. If you recall, 414 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: he was punished by missing the first four games of 415 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 3: the season as well and supposedly the salary that he 416 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 3: would lose from it, although the Patriots restructured his contract 417 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 3: in such a way that the financial hit would virtually disappear, 418 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 3: but he had to sit out the first four games, 419 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 3: so he was in theory punished. Although this was not 420 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 3: a criminal trial, I mean, it wasn't a trial at all. 421 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: I hope we can get into that too. How outrageous 422 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 3: the violation of due process was on the part of 423 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 3: the NFL. But if you attach proof beyond a reasonable doubt, 424 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: there is no even arguable proof beyond a reasonable doubt 425 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 3: that he cheated. Okay, but that's not the burden of 426 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:21,640 Speaker 3: persuasion that's required. Burdener persuasion that's required in the NFL's perverted, twisted, 427 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 3: distorted process was a preponderance of the evidence that is 428 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 3: more likely than not. Well, watch the film and tell 429 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 3: me whether you think there's a preponderance of the evidence. 430 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 3: But the appropriate burden of persuasion is halfway between the two. 431 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: In the law, when we're concerned with serious allegations like fraud, 432 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 3: fraudulent behavior. It may be a civil trial, not a 433 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 3: criminal one, but the burden of persuasion is higher than 434 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 3: just a preponderance. It's clear and convincing evidence, halfway between 435 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 3: more likely than not and certain beyond a reasonable doubt. 436 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: And if if you attached that burdener persuasion, which is 437 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: the appropriate version burden, before you call somebody a cheat, 438 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: it seems to me any fair minded person would have 439 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: to say that not only isn't there clear and convincing 440 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 3: evidence that Brady cheated, but there is clear and convincing 441 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 3: evidence that nobody cheated except for the NFL in finding 442 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 3: that Brady. 443 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 2: Four games in the fall. Check it out on Amazon. 444 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: Robert Blecker is with us, well, how did you get 445 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: so involved? You're not a Patriot fan, which I think 446 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 2: that's important to point out. Why did you get so 447 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 2: involved with this? How did you get so involved with this? 448 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: Well, as a philosopher of sport, I'm interested in sport, 449 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 3: and I'm interested in football. I was no There was 450 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: no one particular team that I rooted for a year 451 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: after year after year. I wrote it for I rooted 452 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 3: it for good play, but I had an annoying feeling 453 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: that the Patriots had a history of cheating, and so 454 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 3: when I read the headlines that they had been caught, 455 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: I was glad. And then I read the Wells Report 456 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: and I said, boy, this is they really nailed them. 457 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: And then I heard that the Patriots lawyer Daniel Goldberg 458 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 3: had issued a rejoinder to the Wells Report, and I 459 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 3: sat down to read it and said, let's see what this. 460 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 3: Let's see what they had the nerve to counter with. 461 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 3: And I started reading Daniel Goldberg's counter and I said, oh, oh, really, 462 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 3: really really, and what these really is attached to were 463 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,719 Speaker 3: things like in the movie brings this out very well. Supposedly, 464 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 3: remember he snuck the locker room attendant, snuck the footballs 465 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 3: into the bathroom for one hundred second, didn't sneak anything. 466 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: You had two huge bags of balls over his shoulders, 467 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 3: took the route that he had to take out into 468 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: the field, was in the bathroom from only for only 469 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 3: on hundred and seconds, which would be just about the 470 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,679 Speaker 3: time he needs to urinate, because remember he's not allowed 471 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 3: off the field once he's on the field for the 472 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 3: first half. He otherwise had no reason to be rushing it. 473 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 3: Nobody stopped him by the way he took the same 474 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 3: bags of balls back out for the start of the 475 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,479 Speaker 3: second half. Officials were all over the place and nobody 476 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 3: stopped them. And then you look at some more of 477 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: the history of it, and you notice that no one 478 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: was aware of the ideal gas law anyway. So Dan 479 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 3: Goldberg's report just counters it, piece after piece after piece. 480 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 3: And then I started looking into it, and the more 481 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 3: I looked into it, the more that the explanation was 482 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 3: that the balls were exactly where they should have been, 483 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 3: the pressure was where they should have been. More of 484 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 3: it cohered, that is, more of it made sense given 485 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 3: the rest of it. By the end of it, I 486 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 3: was convinced that the report was at least plausible. And 487 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 3: then the more I looked into it, the more it 488 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 3: was confirmed by the way in the second amicus brief 489 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,880 Speaker 3: to the Second Circuit, I wrote the only amicus brief 490 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 3: the first time the case went to the Second Circuit. 491 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 3: Twenty one professors of physics and engineering signed on to 492 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 3: the amicus brief, attesting to the fact that the ball 493 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 3: pressure was exactly where science predicted it should have been 494 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:18,919 Speaker 3: and would have been had no one. 495 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: Tampered All right, So hold on a second. So twenty 496 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 2: one or twenty two physicists you just said, right, is 497 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: that correct? And engineers, engineers, and plus you did a 498 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: very very good job of putting in a layman's terms 499 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: when you talked about the tire, and like, because I 500 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 2: lived down here in South Florida, so it's warm, I 501 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 2: wake up on a daylight today it's in the forties, 502 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 2: and that sign goes off in my car every single 503 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 2: time because the tire kind of deflates a little bit. So, 504 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 2: Mikey A. Robert has done a tremendous job Philosopher's sport 505 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 2: has done a tremendous job here making a case that 506 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: Tom Brady did not cheat. Are you, Mikey a Jet fan? 507 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 2: Are you convinced yet? 508 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 3: No? 509 00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, it's still Tom Brady and New England Patriots. 510 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 3: But I have a question. 511 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 4: I have a question. 512 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 3: You're a basis, but but what's your what's your conclusion based. 513 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: On what's what's established? 514 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, right, it's based on it's what it's based 515 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 4: on what mine was? 516 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: You want him to be guilty? 517 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,479 Speaker 4: So Robert, let let me ask you then, why the 518 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 4: man hunt? Why why the man hunt? To to to 519 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 4: do this to Tom Brady and the Patriots. 520 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 3: That's a very good question. There are a number of 521 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 3: explanations which are consistent with each other. First of all, 522 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: from the NFL's perspective, the Patriots have been bad for business, 523 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 3: very bad for business. Year after year they won their division. 524 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 3: They were eclipsing the larger markets. They were eclipsing the 525 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,680 Speaker 3: Miami and the New York markets, which were potentially more lucrative, lucrative, 526 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 3: they were sucking the media attention away from the rising 527 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 3: stars and the changing teams. I mean, the whole draft 528 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 3: system in professional sports is structured in such a way 529 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 3: that no team can stay on top for any period 530 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: of time. Except the Patriots were running counter to that, 531 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: and so that's one thing. It would be good if 532 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: the Patriots got a hit and were driven away from 533 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 3: being division winners for a few years. Number Two, the 534 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 3: relationship of the ownership of the Patriots and the league 535 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 3: was very problematic because it had been long reported that 536 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 3: Robert Kraft, the owner of the Patriots, had a relationship 537 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 3: with Roger Goodell that caused resentment on the part of 538 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 3: the other owners. GT had run a lengthy article in 539 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 3: which they characterized Craft as the Assistant Commissioner of Football. 540 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 3: Goodell had eaten at his house the night before the game. 541 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 3: They were very close when the Ray Rice controversy erupted 542 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 3: in the NFL batched that if you remember, trying to 543 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: double punish him once the videotape was revealed of the 544 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 3: abuse of his fiancee. Later, his wife, Kraft went on 545 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 3: the air and CBS and publicly defended Goodell at a 546 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: time when his job may have hung by a thread. 547 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 3: So the other owners apparently resented that relationship, and Dell 548 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: had every incentive to prove that he was independent of 549 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: Craft and every incentive to punish him. Now, Craft was 550 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 3: caught in a bind. If you remember, Craft didn't challenge 551 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 3: the one million dollar fine loss of the first round 552 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: and then fourth round draft picks, and again the public said, well, 553 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 3: if you didn't challenge it, Obviously he didn't challenge it 554 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: because he was guilty. But no, that's not true. He 555 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 3: made a mistake by not challenging it, and he later apologized. 556 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: Where Robert was Was he doing Robert Kraft? Was Robert 557 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 2: Kraft doing Roger Goodell a favor? 558 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 3: No? I don't think so, although that's potentially. 559 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: By just accepting it and eating it like here were friends. 560 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 2: People don't like it. You want to prove that you're independent, 561 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 2: Go ahead, I'll eat it on this one. I'm brady. 562 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:07,600 Speaker 2: I'm brady of all. 563 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 3: People looked at that way that the answer is arguably yes. 564 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 3: But take it one step further, so if the owners 565 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 3: no longer resent the relationship between the two of them. 566 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 3: In that sense, you're right. Kraft is doing Goodell a favor. 567 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 3: But one could argue that Craft is doing Craft a 568 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 3: favor because Craft is caught in a bind. You see, 569 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 3: Craft is playing on two teams simultaneously. He is on 570 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 3: the one team the owner of the New England Patriots, 571 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 3: but he's playing on another team in a different game 572 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 3: at the same time. That other team is the owners 573 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 3: team that has thirty two players on it, each one 574 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 3: of which is an owner of a team. Now the 575 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 3: owners team has a different game in mind. They want 576 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 3: influence in league manners. Goodell is in a position to 577 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 3: punish Craft a lot worse than with a million dollar fine, 578 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 3: which for him is a rounding error and chump change. 579 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 3: He can punish him by a loss of committee slots. 580 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 3: In other words, he can diminish Craft's influence on the NFL. 581 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: So if he's got to prove that he can punish him, 582 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 3: and he does punish him with a one million dollar 583 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 3: fine and the loss of the first and fourth round 584 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 3: draft pick, he's really pushing Craft as the owner of 585 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 3: the Patriots. But he's not punishing Craft as one of 586 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: thirty two owners on the owners team, because Craft's influence 587 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 3: in the NFL in the league affairs was not diminished 588 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 3: by that. Another part of the explanation is, if you 589 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 3: want a benevolent explanation that Craft was falling on his 590 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 3: sword not only to help Goodell, as you point out, 591 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 3: but arguably to help Brady. How you might ask, well, 592 00:33:55,960 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: if Craft accepts the punishment and doesn't challenge it, then 593 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 3: the Patriots organization has been eliminated from the contention. Now 594 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 3: the only people left against each other is Brady versus 595 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 3: the NFL. No longer the Patriots. They're out of it now. 596 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 3: They've gotten their punishment, they've accepted it, and so Kraft 597 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 3: might have believed that the only way to diminish the 598 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 3: punishment of Brady was to accept the punishment of the 599 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: Patriots and free Brady. The only problem with that explanation 600 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 3: is and there's the irony. Look, you have to have 601 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 3: a grudging admiration for Tom Brady as a great quarterback, 602 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 3: and yet when it came to his this case to flategate, 603 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 3: tom Brady didn't quarterback his own defense. He allowed one 604 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 3: of the weakest defenses imaginable the players association that allowsy 605 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,720 Speaker 3: job and botched it. I mean, they did a lousy 606 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 3: job and a number of respects. As the film points out. 607 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,280 Speaker 3: First of all, they agreed to the collective Bargaining Agreement. 608 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,799 Speaker 3: Under the collective bargaining agreement. If you remember, you know 609 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 3: what happened. There was a hearing, the punishment was issued, 610 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 3: there was an appeal, and do you know who the 611 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 3: appeal went to? 612 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 4: Goodell? 613 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 3: Roger Goodell. Think about that, the man sits as the 614 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: appellate judge. Look, in the law we've known for millennia 615 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 3: for thousands of years, a person cannot be a judge 616 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 3: in his own case. Human nature will tend to have 617 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 3: you vindicate your initial decision. That was ridiculous and outrageous. 618 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 3: I mean, the league made so many fundamental errors in 619 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 3: basic process and fairness. You know that they if there 620 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 3: is a minimum of due process and fairness, it was 621 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 3: all violated in this Science was violated, truth was violated, 622 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 3: justice was violated, Fairness was violated, decency was violated. 623 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 2: All right, So very convincing stuff, passionate, great information, fantastic, 624 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 2: mikey A. I don't know about you, but I'm still feeling. 625 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 3: Watch the film. Four means in full watch the film? 626 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 3: How can you look? 627 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 2: Perhaps I won't see? I mean, listen before. 628 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 3: What do you mean perhaps you won't by the way 629 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 3: the film goes on. The film goes on part of 630 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 3: the film. 631 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 2: I like my version of the film, and my version 632 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 2: of the film has Tom Brady letting air out of 633 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 2: the footballs in the bathroom with a trainer and then 634 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 2: going out and throwing those balls all over the colts. 635 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 2: Now of that, I mean, that's my version, that's my movie. 636 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 4: Yeah. 637 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 5: But nobody has even accused him of going into the bathroom, right, 638 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 5: Only the two of you have that I have ever 639 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,239 Speaker 5: heard accused him of going to the bathroom which he 640 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 5: couldn't have done, which he couldn't have done and didn't 641 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,399 Speaker 5: do because there were video cameras on the whole way 642 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 5: into the bathroom. 643 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,319 Speaker 2: Quick, here's the important question, okay, I And you've been 644 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: great and we appreciate it. Why would the league? This 645 00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 2: is this is where I get confused. Tom Brady and 646 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 2: their ratings mean so much to them, and I realize 647 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 2: we'll watch regardless of who's playing quarterback. But in a 648 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 2: league where guys are wearing helmets and you can't, it's 649 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 2: hard to point out stars like it is in the NBA. 650 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 2: This is their star of stars, Tom Brady. 651 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 3: Why would the league? 652 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 2: Why would they want to suspend him for four games? 653 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 3: Well, that's what I was trying to explain to you. 654 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,760 Speaker 3: He's not their star of stars. He had his years. 655 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 3: They do best when new stars are arising. They do 656 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 3: best when the New York Jets, if you'll forgive the term, 657 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 3: when the New York Jets actually look like a football 658 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 3: team that can win. They do best when the Miami 659 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 3: Dolphins are doing He was bad for business. Brady and 660 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 3: the Patriots were bad for business. But by the way, 661 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 3: this is a certain irony attaching to this whole thing, 662 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 3: because ultimately, what is justice about justice about is about 663 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 3: getting what you deserve, right, I mean, that's what are 664 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,720 Speaker 3: common sense notion of justice is. Well, assuming Tom Brady 665 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,239 Speaker 3: is innocent, what did he deserve? Well, he deserved to 666 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 3: be able to sit out the first four games and 667 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 3: play golf with his magnificent wife down in Florida, and 668 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 3: then keep his body relatively fresh so that he could 669 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 3: engineer the greatest comeback in all time of all times 670 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl. If you remember, from being down 671 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 3: twenty eight to three in the third quarter to coming 672 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 3: back and winning it so he might in the end 673 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 3: of gotten. That's the grand irony of the whole thing. 674 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 2: Cheata. 675 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 3: During that kid, he got exactly what he deserved and 676 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 3: enforced rest and an opportunity to keep his body fresh. 677 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 2: Listen, I am telling you you did not a good job, 678 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,720 Speaker 2: a great job. I mean you are one of the greatest, 679 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: guess because radio and podcasting in terms of guests, is 680 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 2: all about delivery, and you are delivering the goods right now, 681 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 2: my friend. I'm not sciences if myance okay, I mean, 682 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 2: he almost makes you think Brady didn't do it. I'm 683 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,240 Speaker 2: telling you right now, you know this better than anyone. 684 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 2: At some point I'm gonna need an attorney and I 685 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 2: am calling this man, okay, like Robert, You're my guy. Okay, 686 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 2: any justification quickly here? With Brady playing in a Super 687 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 2: Bowl outside of New England, like he goes to Tampa, 688 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 2: he's back in the super Bowl. That has to justify 689 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:19,880 Speaker 2: Brady right. 690 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 3: Well, the end of the film. In the end of 691 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 3: the film, I talk about trial by ordeal and if 692 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 3: you go back to the Middle Ages, the way we 693 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 3: used to conduct the way they used to conduct trials 694 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 3: in the Middle Ages is when a person was accused 695 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,720 Speaker 3: of a crime, they would take a piece of hot metal, 696 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 3: white hot metal or red hot metal and sear it 697 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,880 Speaker 3: to his flesh and then bind him up with bandages. 698 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 3: And then a week later they would take off the 699 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 3: bandages and examine the wound, and if it was loosing 700 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 3: in pussy, he was guilty, and if his skin had 701 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 3: cleared up, he was innocent. And we say that's crazy. 702 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 3: We look back at it and that's nuts. What does 703 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 3: that have to do with this guilty in it sin? 704 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,400 Speaker 3: Since I was wounds, healed well. In a sense, whether 705 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,600 Speaker 3: Brady cheated or not was determined in some part of 706 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 3: the public mind by how he performed on the field. 707 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 3: And when you see a guy perform at the level 708 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,600 Speaker 3: he's performed at, and you also see I mean, really 709 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 3: take a look back at his career, this is a 710 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 3: man who has shown respect for the game. And he 711 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 3: says that I wouldn't do this. It's not me. I 712 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 3: wouldn't do this. And not only that, Remember he liked 713 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 3: the balls exactly at a certain pressure. He examined each 714 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,200 Speaker 3: one of them. He doesn't want some bozo and a 715 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,640 Speaker 3: bathroom deflating the ball so that he now was playing 716 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,240 Speaker 3: with balls that are too flat. So before we attach 717 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 3: an asterisk to this guy and call him a cheat, 718 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,200 Speaker 3: I mean, and you know, ask yourself, what is cheating? 719 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 3: I define cheating as a deceptive attempt to gain an 720 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 3: unfair advantage by intentionally violating written or unwritten rules that 721 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 3: you voluntarily agree to abide by. If you accept that 722 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 3: as a definition, then Tom Brady was no cheat. And 723 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 3: that's for an athlete with integrity. That's a very serious accusation. 724 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you guys throw it around, but 725 00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 3: if you're a serious athlete, to be labeled a cheat 726 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 3: should really bother you. And to have an asterisk, And 727 00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 3: you know I mentioned I say it in the film. Legally, 728 00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 3: tom Brady has been convicted legally Historically. The funny thing 729 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,280 Speaker 3: is history tends to have the last word on these things, 730 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:40,080 Speaker 3: and I'm convinced that historically, when all is said and done, legally, 731 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 3: he may have been convicted. But historically we will know, 732 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,400 Speaker 3: and I think this film goes a long way towards 733 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 3: persuading any reasonable objective observer. We will know that the 734 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 3: evidence clearly and convincingly shows those balls were not deflated 735 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:04,560 Speaker 3: by humans, and nobody cheated except the NFL, who manufactured 736 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:05,880 Speaker 3: the whole cheating scandal. 737 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 2: All Right, four Games in the Fall. Check it out 738 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,919 Speaker 2: on Amazon. Robert Blecker with us. He's fantastic. He's a 739 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 2: large part of the film. Final question for you will 740 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 2: let you go. You've been very generous with your time, Okay, 741 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,520 Speaker 2: and perhaps this is the last straw here. You have 742 00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 2: one more chance to convince us we're not convinced. Explain 743 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,920 Speaker 2: that doctor Guerrero quack. Okay, Explain that guy in the 744 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 2: fact that Brady looks better now than he did twenty 745 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,840 Speaker 2: years ago coming out of Michigan. Explain that to me. 746 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,959 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm not sure what you're implying, That he's using 747 00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 3: illegal substances. 748 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,000 Speaker 2: That Steve Young went into the Hall of Fame at 749 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 2: the age of forty two, Brady's playing in a Super 750 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 2: Bowl at the age of forty three. How the hell. 751 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, how the hell is right? Well, first of all, 752 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,120 Speaker 3: we know the guy is fanatically concerned with his own body, 753 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 3: goes to sleep early, is very conscious about his diet, 754 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,600 Speaker 3: et cetera. And as he loses something. And this is 755 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 3: really one of the wonderful things about sport that I 756 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 3: love about sport itself. Sport is all about mind and body, 757 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 3: and as the body ages, what you're seeing is a 758 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 3: human being whose mind is compensating for his body. His 759 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 3: decision making is getting better and better and better, and 760 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,080 Speaker 3: he knows his limits. He can recognize patterns. He's been 761 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 3: through so much and so often. He stays cool under pressure. 762 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 3: This is all about mind. Stays cool under pressure, recognizes 763 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,600 Speaker 3: patterns better than ever, makes choices and decisions better than ever. Now, 764 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 3: obviously there are certain limits to it. It's going to 765 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,879 Speaker 3: give out, and when he gives out, it'll his body 766 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,520 Speaker 3: will give out quickly. But this is a guy drafted 767 00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 3: what two hundred and fifty six, the fourth player on 768 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 3: the seventh round. I mean it just but it's also 769 00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 3: good because it shows us. It should humble us all 770 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 3: and about how fallible we are in picking superstars. 771 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 2: Again, I listen, he's been on this podcast. I treat 772 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 2: him just fine, like he's a friend. He's been on 773 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,080 Speaker 2: my podcast, like I like him. 774 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 3: No, but treat his reputation with me. 775 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 2: I think he's the great, Robert. I gotta be honest, serious, 776 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 2: Like I think of the NFL, because it's so violent 777 00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 2: and the collisions, all of it. I don't think fans 778 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,439 Speaker 2: care as much as they do with baseball. I think 779 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 2: everyone recognizes him as the greatest quarterback. Ever, how could 780 00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,440 Speaker 2: you not. He's about to play in his tenth goddamn 781 00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 2: Super Bowl Man four games in the fall. Check it 782 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 2: out on Amazon. Robert Blecker a big part of the movie. 783 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 2: Appreciate his time Professor Emeritas Emeritus Emeritus Emeritus at New 784 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 2: York Law School, Robert, thank you for the time. I 785 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 2: gotta tell you, I am convinced. I think you you 786 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,360 Speaker 2: sold me. And if attorney, yeah yeah, And if I 787 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 2: need an attorney and I will, I'll be calling you. 788 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 3: Okay, if you need a philosopher, came, I will. But 789 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 3: watch the film. Watch the film, and then you'll be convinced. 790 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 3: Julie Maron has made a very important film about about 791 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 3: much more than football. By the way, talk yeah, for 792 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,280 Speaker 3: corporate purposes and political purposes about the manipulation of facts 793 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 3: and truth. 794 00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 2: I promise you I will watch the film. I could 795 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,879 Speaker 2: not say the same for Mikeya because his credit card 796 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 2: doesn't work, but I'll get on it. Robert, thank you. 797 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,520 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. You you killed it here. You really 798 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 2: did a great job. 799 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 800 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 2: You got it. 801 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 4: Thank you, Robert. 802 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:33,799 Speaker 2: Thanks Robin. 803 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:34,839 Speaker 3: Take care. 804 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:42,360 Speaker 4: You're not really convinced, are you. 805 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 2: If it's body