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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: I first heard of Danny Parkins from Nick Wright, who

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so can we grate on a curve of degeneracy

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Speaker 1: for the era? Please? Like that? That's the thing that

431
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Speaker 1: no one talks like. Yes, the skill is better, the

432
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Speaker 1: competition is better Lebron. You know, as an underdog he

433
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Speaker 1: loses in the finals, he wins. Whatever. I understand. Lebron

434
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Speaker 1: is amazing. I'm not trying to take away from him.

435
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Speaker 1: But I'd like to see the guy play thirty six

436
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Speaker 1: holes of golf and then go drop forty five with

437
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Speaker 1: the next I'd like to see it. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: that he could do it.

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Speaker 2: No, we all meet guys. I had a friend one time.

440
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Speaker 2: He would go to South Carolina in the summer and

441
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Speaker 2: he would He didn't have a ton of money, so

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Speaker 2: I do like a three day vacation. He would golf

443
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Speaker 2: thirty six holes three days in a row, get bombed

444
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Speaker 2: each night, and I'm talking ninety four degrees in the heat,

445
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, bro, I'm nine holes on Friday out

446
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Speaker 2: two Miller lights. I'm out. Some guys and Jordan was

447
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Speaker 2: one of them have this relentless genetic thing. And I've

448
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: gone to college with guys they could drink all night long,

449
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Speaker 2: no hangover. And Jordan, to me, is one of those

450
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Speaker 2: athletes that is once in a lifetime that did not

451
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Speaker 2: treat his body with a great deal of love and admiration.

452
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Speaker 2: And just when I saw the MJ story and he

453
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Speaker 2: before the Eastern Conference games with the Celtics, He's getting

454
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Speaker 2: in eighteen holes in the sun, I'm like, that's my day.

455
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Speaker 2: I'm having dinner at five I'm out.

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Speaker 1: Guy had pregame steaks, he smoked regularly. He mixed booze

457
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Speaker 1: all the time, beer and liquor, like it is insane.

458
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Speaker 1: And these guys they're like, oh, we've invested in a

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Speaker 1: wine company, Like think we have an in house Somalia

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Speaker 1: for the Miami heat. Awesome, awesome. I respect the professionalism,

461
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Speaker 1: but then you also take off when oh man, they

462
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Speaker 1: have a two day stayover in South Beach, So guys

463
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Speaker 1: are gonna take off. No, no, no. Jordan would close

464
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Speaker 1: down the club in South Beach and then go drop forty.

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Speaker 2: I always felt this about Johnny bench best catcher ever,

466
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Speaker 2: not just because I think he's the best catcher ever,

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Speaker 2: Astro turf gear.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely.

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Speaker 2: By the way, back then, a lot of day games

470
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Speaker 2: he would. Now Bill Plummer was the backup, so he

471
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Speaker 2: didn't do both games of a doubleheader, but he would

472
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Speaker 2: do Friday night in Cincinnati, Saturday, National TV Sunday. Steve

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Speaker 2: Garvey told me it was so hot in Kansas City

474
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Speaker 2: and Riverfront. Now he was a National leaguer, right Dodgers,

475
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Speaker 2: he said, Pittsburgh, Philly and Riverfront. You'd have to put

476
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Speaker 2: lettuce in your shoes to keep it cool. He goes

477
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Speaker 2: one time in Philadelphia, his cleat stuck to the turf

478
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Speaker 2: and Johnny Bench had that gear on and would go

479
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Speaker 2: three for four with two jacks. Game goes twelve innings

480
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Speaker 2: and he is catching the fourth threads pitcher. People have

481
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Speaker 2: no idea baseball players in the seventies to about eighty

482
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Speaker 2: five it was one hundred and forty degree field in

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Speaker 2: the Midwest.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean, and I listen, I mean different eras too.

485
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Speaker 1: I mean guys would have like bags of cocaine fall

486
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Speaker 1: out of their pocket on the base paths. You know

487
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like just like what they would do.

488
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Speaker 1: Like if you go and bry the way it's why.

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Speaker 1: Also if you go back and you watch a game

490
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Speaker 1: from the nineties, like, oh it was better, Eh, what's

491
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Speaker 1: likely They weren't more skilled, they were slow over and

492
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Speaker 1: three to fifty percent of the guys were hungover. So

493
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Speaker 1: now it really wasn't better. But there is an element

494
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Speaker 1: of nostalgia to it and an amount of respect.

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Speaker 2: So I don't spend any time on social media. Some

496
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Speaker 2: of that is simply because I have a staff at

497
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Speaker 2: the volume. I'm very fortunate and a pretty hearty staff

498
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Speaker 2: at FS one. I you know, my kids are not

499
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Speaker 2: on it. My son never is on it, my daughter

500
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Speaker 2: infrequently but used to be. Not anymore. But I wow, yeah,

501
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty toxic. So, you know, I think about

502
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Speaker 2: this because one of the things about our business, and

503
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Speaker 2: I don't get many people on that. I got to

504
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Speaker 2: talk about the business, which is why I'm doing it now.

505
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: Because you're you love radio. I love radio, and I

506
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 2: do think occasionally fans like to just hear how you

507
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: and I think and talk about this crap. And you know,

508
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,439
Speaker 2: I'm thinking. One of the criticisms I've gotten through the

509
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Speaker 2: years and even back to doing local is uh, well, Colin,

510
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Speaker 2: you said this like six weeks ago, and I'm like,

511
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Speaker 2: there's new information. And I always say, you know, if

512
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Speaker 2: a pilot came to you and said, folks, we got

513
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Speaker 2: a lightning storm that's moved in, and he said, but

514
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna fly right into it, there's there's no reason

515
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Speaker 2: to deviate. I've got two hours ago there wasn't and

516
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna fly into it. You'd be like, oh shit,

517
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Speaker 2: I'm going to cancel my flight. So I didn't like

518
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Speaker 2: Ryan Poles initially Vlus Jones. I watched them at USC

519
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: could not track the ball. I mean that, I literally

520
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: text you GMS and I'm like, he doesn't know what

521
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Speaker 2: he's doing. That that he can't play, he's a point

522
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Speaker 2: that he can't play. So but I watched USC maybe

523
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Speaker 2: more than Ryan Poles. And then there was the Chase Claypool,

524
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Speaker 2: which I defended because of the body type, but Chase

525
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Speaker 2: ended up going sideways and not being very mature. And

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Speaker 2: so my takeaway is I don't trust the ownership Ryan Poles,

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00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 2: Matt Eberflus and then probably knowing he butchered Velis Jones

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Speaker 2: and knowing that there are certain things about offense like

529
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Speaker 2: line play, I think he's drafted it pretty well that

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Speaker 2: he knows. He went and got DJ Moore, he went

531
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Speaker 2: and got Keenan Allen and moved Mooney and I thought, oh,

532
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Speaker 2: and then he brings in Gerald Everett and he's swift,

533
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: who's a good he can catch the ball to the backfield,

534
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, now a new information. I think

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Speaker 2: Ryan Poles knows what he's doing. I think his last

536
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: six move, I love the Monte sweat move. It got heat.

537
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Speaker 2: But I'm like, folks, there's nobody in the second round

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Speaker 2: as good as Montes.

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Speaker 1: Sweat right, no guarantee you to get him in a

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Speaker 1: free agency, that's.

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Speaker 2: Right, But what is the takeaway? Because the Bears eber

542
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 2: Flus has been criticized, the ownership has But where is

543
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: everybody sitting on your GM, which in football is such

544
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: a substantial position because the rosters are so big and

545
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: there's so many moves to make.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you could have any grade on

547
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Speaker 1: him other than an A. It doesn't mean that he's perfect.

548
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: And you've listed a few of the big misses like

549
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,919
Speaker 1: Dayles Jones is the first offensive player that he ever selected,

550
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: But it was in the third round. Teams miss on

551
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: third round picks all the time. Chase Claypool, it was

552
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: a panic move. It was I'm trading away Rokwan Smith.

553
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm trading away Robert Quinn. I'm carrying the most dead

554
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: cap space of any team in the league. But I

555
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: am trying to be fair to Justin Fields, who is

556
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Speaker 1: an eleven out of ten as a person, and I'd

557
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Speaker 1: like to figure out if I have something here. I've

558
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: got to give him something. And he overtraded for the

559
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Speaker 1: traits of Chase Claypool, and I think he undervalued the

560
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Speaker 1: personal stuff because then when he learned the mistake from

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Speaker 1: that and he trades for Montes Sweat, there were a

562
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Speaker 1: lot of people saying, trade for Chase Young off, that

563
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: defense line, more talented, better pedigree player, all of that stuff.

564
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Speaker 1: But he loafs, he takes plays off. But in Montes Sweat,

565
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Speaker 1: whatever he's got, he's given it to you. And so

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Speaker 1: I think he that is a director because it's the

567
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Speaker 1: exact same trade. It's a second round pick for an

568
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Speaker 1: established player that you're hoping to pay. They paid Montes Sweat,

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Speaker 1: they obviously didn't pay Claypool. So I think also with

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Speaker 1: anything learning, proving that you learn from your mistakes and

571
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Speaker 1: that you don't double down, that's a sign of intelligence

572
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: to me. So to me, like it's like, yeah, did

573
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Speaker 1: it start a little choppy, no question. But he also

574
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Speaker 1: inherited one of the oldest teams in the league with

575
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Speaker 1: a ton of bad contracts, a quarterback that someone else drafted,

576
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Speaker 1: no first round pick in his first year, so his

577
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Speaker 1: first draft picks are second round picks, both of whom,

578
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Speaker 1: by the way, pretty good. Kyler Gordon and Jakwan Brisker,

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Speaker 1: two guys who are starters in one of the best

580
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Speaker 1: young secondaries in football. Then when he gets a first

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Speaker 1: round pick, a lot of us are saying, Jalen Carter,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Carter, Jalen Carter, you need a three technique for

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Speaker 1: this defense. He moves down from nine to ten, picks

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Speaker 1: up an extra fourth round pick, drafts Darnell right right

585
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Speaker 1: tackle to support the quarterback. He makes all rookie team,

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Speaker 1: looks like he's going to be a starter at right

587
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Speaker 1: tackle for ten years. And then the biggest thing by far,

588
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Speaker 1: and the sweat one was big, and the Keenan Allen

589
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: was big. Is he trades the number one overall pick

590
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Speaker 1: and picks the right team to trade to gets DJ

591
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Speaker 1: Moore gets the second round pick, that is Tyreek Stevenson,

592
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Speaker 1: another starter at cornerback who was really damn good last year.

593
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Speaker 1: Gets the first round pick this year, which is going

594
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Speaker 1: to be you know, Caleb Williams, a once in a

595
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Speaker 1: generation quarterback prospect. He has their second round pick next

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Speaker 1: year from Carolina and oh yeah, by the way, Dj Moore.

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Speaker 1: So it's one of the great I mean, people will

598
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Speaker 1: reference the Herschel Walker trade. It is truly one of

599
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Speaker 1: the great trades in my I NFL history. If Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams is everything that you and I in the vast

601
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Speaker 1: majority of people think that he will be, They've got

602
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Speaker 1: a very good cap situation. They've got very good players

603
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: in their athletic prime. Jalen Johnson, Tremaine Edmunds, Montes Sweat,

604
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Speaker 1: Cole Comet, Dj Moore. These guys are all twenty five,

605
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty seven years old, under contract, good players

606
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Speaker 1: on rookie deals. Brisker, Gordon Tyreek, Stevenson, Darnell Right, Tevin Jenkins,

607
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Speaker 1: who I hadn't mentioned. And now you're going to inject

608
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Speaker 1: the ninth overall pick whoever he ends up taking, And

609
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: there's a ton of great options, and Caleb Williams in

610
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: a good quarterback on a rookie deal. The Bears should

611
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Speaker 1: be set up under Ryan Poles for a really long

612
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Speaker 1: runway of success here.

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Speaker 2: I can't be the only person that has noticed Matt Eberflus,

614
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: the coach, has changed his look. What's up with that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he credits his wife and daughters. And it's

616
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Speaker 1: very weird because when Matt Eberflues talked before the beard

617
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: and the little product in the hair, he sounded really dumb.

618
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: And now He's saying the same things with like designer

619
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Speaker 1: hoodies and a beard and a little scruff and a

620
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Speaker 1: little product. And I'm like, a Flues has some swag.

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Speaker 1: There's like, like, my my coach is like, I'm eflusiastic.

622
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's a really corny dad joke, but I

623
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Speaker 1: I perspect it. Uh. He's like for some real he's

624
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Speaker 1: like sitting courtside next to handsome Matt Lefloor and I'm like, Oh,

625
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: which is the more handsome NFL head coach? Is it

626
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Speaker 1: Matt Floor? Is is it Matt Eberflues? Like he's carrying

627
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: himself with a little swag. My problem with Eberflus, Yeah,

628
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Speaker 1: A couple of assistant coaches, including his defensive coordinator who

629
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Speaker 1: he brought over, Alan Williams, left in disgrace. I don't

630
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: like hiring a defensive coach. I'm biased to offensive coaches

631
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Speaker 1: because it's just sustained success. I think it's the best

632
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Speaker 1: way to foster an environment for a quarterback. My thing

633
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Speaker 1: was when you hit the lottery of getting the number

634
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Speaker 1: one overall pick for Caleb Williams. Are you really telling

635
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Speaker 1: me that the best possible person to develop him is

636
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 1: Matt Eberflus and Shane Waldron or would Jim Harbaugh have

637
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: been better? Or would Ben Johnson have been better? Would

638
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: Ben Johnson have taken this job instead of going back

639
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: to Detroit? Because I think this job would be really

640
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: damn attractive if it was open and they got a

641
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Speaker 1: pretty good offensive coaching staff, because it's an attractive job

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Speaker 1: and you get to coach Caleb Williams, but you obviously

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Speaker 1: were limiting your talent tool if you're only hiring for coordinator.

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Speaker 1: So that was my issue with how Poles handled the coach.

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Speaker 1: But he swears by him. He swears by the culture,

646
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: he swears by the effort, and the team did play

647
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Speaker 1: hard and the defense did get better. Yes, did finish

648
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Speaker 1: the season relatively strong, and they should be a top

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Speaker 1: ten maybe top five defense next season. So there are

650
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Speaker 1: reasons to keep him. And he's swaggy now, So that's two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. My wife always says that she always my wife

652
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Speaker 2: has this ability. It's so I don't have it. That

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Speaker 2: she had great funny lines and she can hold them

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Speaker 2: for twelve years and then she'll drop it at the

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Speaker 2: perfect time, and I'm like, where did you hear that?

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Speaker 1: She goes?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I heard that in eighth grade, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I couldn't hold up for fifteen minutes. If I went

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Speaker 2: to out to dinner with you, I would find a

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Speaker 2: way to get it into the conversation, just to impress you. Sure,

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Speaker 2: and so one of the things, you know, like one

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Speaker 2: of her things. She said to me one time and

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Speaker 2: I made a mistake, and she said, honey, you're either

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Speaker 2: right or you're learning. She said, unless you keep making

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Speaker 2: the same mistake, then you're wrong. She goes, you don't

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Speaker 2: make the same mistake much, so you're right or you're learning.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, God, I gotta steal that. The other one

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Speaker 2: she said to me when we started dating about three

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Speaker 2: years in, I was not a very good dad or something.

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Speaker 2: I made a mistake and she goes, be a great

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Speaker 2: example or a horrible warning. Kids learn from both. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: we're going to do a book now this come on,

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Speaker 2: You're just you're holding shit now over me. It's like

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Speaker 2: Joel Ostein meets Tony Robbins. Where's this stuff coming from?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a philosopher who loves the UFC. Where did

676
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Speaker 1: you find this unicorn?

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Speaker 2: So she is big? Speaking of eber Flus, she is

678
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Speaker 2: always She is big on current. Her big line is

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Speaker 2: with everything, your career, your look, just stay current. She said.

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Speaker 2: You know, musical acts they look backwards. And I've always

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00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 2: had a thing where I always say I'm a windshield guy,

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00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: not a rearview mirror guy. Most of that, I didn't

683
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Speaker 2: have a traditional upbringing. But I think the point with

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Speaker 2: Eberflus and I think we've talked about this in our careers.

685
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: You and I may have grown up baseball fans. We

686
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: shifted to NFL fans and sports talk gambling topics because

687
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: that's where the that's where the audience went. It is

688
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: how comfortable I am comfortable with sports gambling. The distorted

689
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Speaker 2: or the disturbance rates one percent. It's six percent for alcohol.

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Speaker 1: You know that.

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Speaker 2: The people that go sideways DraftKings told me very early

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Speaker 2: it's four dollars per bet. That's literally what the average

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Speaker 2: bed is. So it's hard to break your family. Yeah,

694
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Speaker 2: but there are some do gooders, some you know, you know,

695
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: there's the kind of precious sports media out there often

696
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 2: that said gambling is the end of society. You're a

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Speaker 2: guy that is, I believe a poker player. You're very

698
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Speaker 2: mathy like Nick wright, you'd be a lawyer if you

699
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 2: didn't do this, or a financial guy right like you

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Speaker 2: guys are both very mathy. Of course I would never

701
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Speaker 2: give my money to Nick because of the black and

702
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Speaker 2: tans or whatever he smokes. He gets a sidon miles. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he gets sideways very quickly.

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Speaker 1: You see, he's been quitting smoking for twenty years while

705
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Speaker 1: wearing a nicotine patch and buying cigarettes individually. Yeah, individually

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Speaker 1: stopping We're stopping off for a Lucy again. Just buy

707
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Speaker 1: a pack. It will save us time. You're bumming individual

708
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Speaker 1: cigarettes from different people at the casino. You could just

709
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Speaker 1: buy a pack. You can afford it. You're on DV.

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Speaker 2: Are you ever uncomfortable talking sports betting?

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00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 1: No? Uh, I blame my parents. My parents were market people,

712
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: finance people, and I'm like, that's gambling now. The difference,

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Speaker 1: of course is Nvidia is not going to zero tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: and if I bet the over in the Bears game

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Speaker 1: and it's under that, Beck goes to zero. So obviously

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Speaker 1: there are differences, but it's all just a market. It's

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Speaker 1: a market of expectations, and I find it actually really

718
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Speaker 1: informative even for people who don't gamble, because they don't

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Speaker 1: just come up with these things randomly sharp better set

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Speaker 1: the lines. And there are formulas and Excel spreadsheets that predict, oh,

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Speaker 1: this guy is gonna have is expected to have this

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Speaker 1: number of yards That might be relevant for if you

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Speaker 1: play fantasy football or just who do you like? You know,

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Speaker 1: there are practical implications to it that I do think

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00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: are relevant even if you aren't putting four dollars, forty

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Speaker 1: dollars or four thousand dollars on the game. And also,

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Speaker 1: I mean, and this is back to the shop talk,

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Speaker 1: it is supporting the industry. You know it For a while,

729
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Speaker 1: it was beer, for a while, it was car dealerships.

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Speaker 1: Now it is legalized gambling. And throughout history, prohibition doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: It didn't work with alcohol, it doesn't work with weed,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't work with gambling. I'm not saying that nothing

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Speaker 1: and it may as well be regulated and taxed and

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Speaker 1: try to funnel that money into something productive. Are there

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Speaker 1: going to be consequences of it along the way, for sure,

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Speaker 1: But I know what it's going to be, you know.

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Speaker 1: you know where the money goes. So no, I have

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Speaker 2: So the book is Pipeline to the pros. Woes gives

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Speaker 2: it a great recommendation. If you love basketball, you'll devour

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Speaker 2: Pipeline to the Pros. So I'm a couple of chapters in.

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Speaker 2: You're a very, very clever writer, which doesn't surprise me

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Speaker 2: at all. So let's start with this. Tell the audience

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00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: why you decided to write this book and the connectivity

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Speaker 2: from your family from.

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Speaker 1: You, right. So me and my buddy Ben Kaplin, who's

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00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: the co author on the book. So Ben played D

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00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: three basketball and I went to Syracuse and he was

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00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: the starting point guard on our high school team, and

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Speaker 1: I was the guy who's doing the play by play

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00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: on the radio. We've been best friends since third grade.

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Speaker 1: Nick is my best friend since college. Ben is my

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00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: best friend since third grade. They were both groomsmen in

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Speaker 1: my wedding. So he came to me and he said,

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Speaker 1: I got this idea. There's a story here. And we've

797
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: been going to NBA games our entire life, and I

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Speaker 1: didn't know anything about it, about all of these D

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Speaker 1: three guys who had broken into the NBA former Division

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Speaker 1: three players who made its way to being coaches or executives.

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00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: And when he pitched me the idea, twelve of the

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00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: thirty teams in the NBA, either their head coach or

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00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: their top basketball decision maker had played D three basketball,

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's insane, And I was drawn to

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Speaker 1: the disproportionate nature of that number. You think cleanest path

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Speaker 1: at that job would be you play at Duke or

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Speaker 1: you play in the NBA, whatever the case may be, right,

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00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: And so that just instantly fascinated me. And the network

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Speaker 1: side of it, like networking. You go to Harvard Medical School,

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Speaker 1: there's a network of the alums. You go to Syracuse

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Speaker 1: for broadcasting, there's a network of the alums. These guys

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Speaker 1: all know each other and they're all helping each other,

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Speaker 1: and they're hiring their friends. And a few people got

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Speaker 1: in and broke down the door and then they were like, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know a guy, and they started hiring these people.

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Speaker 1: And it has as the league has changed and it's

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Speaker 1: gotten more smart and more analytical, these smart guys from

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Speaker 1: these liberal arts colleges have taken it over. And I

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Speaker 1: was just instantly drawn to like the management and the

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Speaker 1: networking and how some of the lessons in the book

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Speaker 1: I think are applicable to Hey, are you considering a

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Speaker 1: liberal arts education? Like it's a basketball book, But there's

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00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things that are really practically applicable to

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Speaker 1: any walk of life, I would say. And then, just

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Speaker 1: like one more personal anecdote, I didn't I almost didn't

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Speaker 1: take the project on because at the time, my dad

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Speaker 1: with terminal brain cancer. And so you have those two things,

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Speaker 1: you have a young son, and you have a pregnant

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Speaker 1: wife with your second along the way, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I am spent. I cannot take on anything else. But

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Speaker 1: same cloth. Like I need more than one thing for

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Speaker 1: my creative outlet. I need to be intellectually stimulated. And

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Speaker 1: it's not that I'm not for my four hour a

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Speaker 1: day radio show, but I've got my ten thousand hours

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Speaker 1: in it. I know how to do this, And so

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Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I would really regret it

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Speaker 1: if I don't partner up with one of my best friends.

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Speaker 1: And then his father ended up getting diagnosed with a

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Speaker 1: rare form of cancer and passing away. So from concept

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00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: to publishing. We both lost our dads and I lost

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Speaker 1: my brother, and so that's who the book is dedicated to.

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Speaker 1: I'm donating a portion of each book sold to brain

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Speaker 1: cancer research and non or my brother. But like it

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Speaker 1: was a his passion project became our passion project. And

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Speaker 1: niche subject matter. D three guys make it to the NBA.

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Speaker 1: So the book would have never been made if we

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Speaker 1: So like it. We worked really hard on it for

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Speaker 1: a couple of years, and uh, we're really proud of

853
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: the final project.

854
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can tell you put the time into it.

855
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: It's not only an intellectual project. It's so deep, it's

856
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 2: so smart, it's so thoughtful. And I think you know,

857
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 2: you and Nick are very similar. So you Nick likes

858
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: to prod. He really likes to poke people in the ribs.

859
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: I don't think you're quite that from what I've heard

860
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: on your show. But you you you get exhausted. You

861
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 2: don't suffer fools gladly. You get exhausted very quick with nonsense. Yes,

862
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 2: when when when you you a project like this and

863
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 2: you go through all this drama, and I mean, what

864
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: was Nick's first react, because I know Nick read it.

865
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: I know Nick so proud of you. What was his

866
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 2: first reaction to it? Because Nick is so competitive and

867
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 2: he loves you dearly. He probably thought, I've got to

868
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: write a book.

869
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: That's funny. I wish you know, he got on National

870
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: TV and I was like, I gotta get on National TV.

871
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: You have to drive really nice cars. Yeah, you know,

872
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: that's funny. He he was surprised, really so, he he

873
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: he was surprised in the not in that I couldn't

874
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: do it, but that I or that I didn't have

875
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: the bandwidth for it, but just like the nature of

876
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: the project. He's like, you're doing what. He's like, you

877
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: and I talk once or twice. We've never talked about this.

878
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, man, I don't know. I got a

879
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: few other interests, like a few other things, like I

880
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: keep surprising you. So I think that he's like, I figured,

881
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: if you're writing a book, you're writing a book on gambling,

882
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: you're writing a book on on media. You know, you're

883
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: writing a book on something like that. So I think,

884
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: like the research nature of it and the depth of

885
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: the project. But again, like I have to credit my

886
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: friend for bringing me the story, and so this is

887
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: a thing of opportunity. But yeah, him and I are

888
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: always coming up with Nick and I are always coming

889
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: up with like we should do this, We're going to

890
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: do this together. And we've done a lot of those things,

891
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, We've we've helped each

892
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: other throughout our career. We always have big ideas. Sometimes

893
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: our conversations end up like, oh, we're doing it again.

894
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: We're spinning this thing forward seventeen permutations into the future,

895
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: you know. And so when I told him about this,

896
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 1: he I think he wanted to know if I was

897
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: going to tell him about it again or if it

898
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: was just an idea in the moment. And then damn

899
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: near three years later we got we got a book

900
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: out of it. Well, because that's the thing, like we're

901
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: both doing full time jobs. He has three kids, I

902
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: have two kids. We've got all this personal track, like

903
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 1: we were really doing this, and we knew we weren't

904
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: like competing. We don't have to be we don't have

905
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: to worry about being first to market with a D

906
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: three NBA. But no one else is on this corner

907
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: give me so, Yeah, Danny.

908
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 2: Give me a story. Let's do a little tease for

909
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 2: the audience. Give me one of the unconventional paths that

910
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 2: was very endearing and connected with you.

911
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 1: Okay, well, I mean so. Jeffan Gundy wrote the forward

912
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: of the book, and he was the perfect person to

913
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: do it because he hired a bunch of former D

914
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: three people, including his brother Stan van Gundy. But he

915
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: was the transfer portal before there was the transfer portal.

916
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: We are one hundred percent sure that Jeff Van Gundy

917
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: is the first and only person to transfer from Yale

918
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: to Menlo Junior College. He then transfers to Nazareth and

919
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: then he finishes at Brockport. Goes to Yale thinking he

920
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: playing the IVY League. They say, no, not good enough,

921
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: We're not even going to let you try out for

922
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: the team. Goes to Menlo, goes to Nazareth where his

923
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: dad gets a job. They fire his dad out of loyalty.

924
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: He ends up at Brockport, so four schools following his

925
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: for the love of the game, and he is convinced

926
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: that because short guy, white guy, nerdy guy comes out

927
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 1: of Brockport ultimately that he will never get a shot

928
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: but brilliant dude. Through connections, through camps, grinds, grinds, grinds,

929
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: works his way up and eventually is on pat Riley's

930
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: staff with the Knicks, and Riley leaves he'd been there

931
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: through a couple of different coaches. He's there, He's there

932
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,479
Speaker 1: for four years. He is named the interim head coach

933
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 1: of the Knicks. He is the head coach of the Knicks,

934
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:51,359
Speaker 1: and the New York Daily News runs a column that

935
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: lists back to gambling the odds on who the next

936
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: full time head coach of the Knicks is going to be.

937
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: Larry Brown's the favorite, John Kliparis the next favorite. Lou

938
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 1: Karnisseca at seventy one years old, is listed at five

939
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: thousand to one. Red Holtzman, at seventy six years old,

940
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: is listed as a one million to one to be

941
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: the next head coach of the Knicks, and Jeff Van

942
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: Gundy was given fifty million to one odds in the

943
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: New York Daily News. Well, he is the current head

944
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: coach of the Knicks to actually keep the job as

945
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: head coach of the Knicks, and he gets it. He

946
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: perseveres and between him and his brother, who he hired

947
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: and Jeff van Gundy, Rich and uh Tom Thibodeau and

948
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: Steve Clifford and Andy Greer and all these other guys

949
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: that he brought into the league. It's over a thousand

950
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: wins between Jeff and Stan van Gundy, a couple of

951
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: d three guys. Their name is now synonymous with the NBA.

952
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: So these guys who are the best to do it

953
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: were doubted when they literally already had the job one

954
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: more quick one. Greg Popovich maybe the best coach ever.

955
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: He's a coach at Pomona. Just goes into the Hall

956
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: of Fame. To April of ninety seven. He is just

957
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: gotten a three year extension because he was the GM

958
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: and the coach for a minute. In San Antonio. When

959
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: the three year extension gets announced, the San Antonio newspaper

960
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: does a survey of readers, what do you think of

961
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: the Greg Popovich extension? Ninety two percent of respondents said

962
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: that Greg Popovitch should be fired in nineteen ninety seven

963
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: when he was about to become the dynastic Greg Popovich.

964
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: So these guys, they were overlooked for forever and just

965
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: through intelligence and being good teachers and good networkers and

966
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: hard workers, they rose their way up. I could never

967
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 1: play in the NBA, I could never play in Major

968
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: in Wrigley Field or the NFL. But there's something too,

969
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: like the work ethic and the intelligence and the networking

970
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: that I was just drawn to the story. And I

971
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 1: think we really covered it well.

972
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 2: It's pipeline to the pros. This is a more personal question,

973
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: and we can edit it out if you're not comfortable.

974
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: But you had a very you're a smart guy, and

975
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: your parents were successful, and you've had a very redeemable

976
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: career and an ascending career that very few people have

977
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 2: in our business. And then your brother and your and

978
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: father's dying is painful. A brother dying is a whole

979
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: different story. And this is so personal. How are you equipped?

980
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 2: You not that you hadn't had struggle, but how are

981
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 2: you equipped to deal with it? Have you been equipped?

982
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 2: How difficult? I mean, that's I can't. I mean, I

983
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 2: get emotional not knowing your brother. I don't know how

984
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be equipped.

985
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 1: Okay, So that's that's that's a good question. Brad was

986
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: diagnosed with glioblastoma June fifth of twenty twenty. My son,

987
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: my first son, Owen, was born at thirty one week,

988
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: so he was born nine weeks premature. January seventeenth of

989
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. We all know what happened in March of

990
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. I remember vividly saying to my wife in

991
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: call it April, no, no, no, no, excuse me. It

992
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 1: was like June first, I don't know that I can

993
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: take anymore. It was just super stressed, money stress, pandemic stress,

994
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 1: new baby stress, feeling over my dad's dementia diagnosis was

995
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: it was, it was ugly Alzheimer's. It's a terrible, terrible,

996
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: horrible disease. I was like, I honestly don't know that

997
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: I can take any more. Three days later, my brother

998
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: gets diagnosed with terminal brain cancer. You just learn that

999
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: you can deal with more than you expect, and it

1000
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 1: hurts if you stay in bed, and it hurts if

1001
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: you get up, so you may as well get the

1002
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: fuck up. Like that's what I've learned. If I've learned anything,

1003
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: I have cried, I've been in therapy. I have definitely

1004
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: not handled everything perfectly throughout this process, but I have

1005
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: learned that it hurts either way, so you may as

1006
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: well keep going because your world can change with a

1007
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: phone call tomorrow. So I don't know if that answers

1008
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: your question, but I would not have said that I

1009
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: was equipped to handle it. And it still devastates me

1010
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: every day that my brother is in here, but somehow

1011
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm still here and I'm doing what I'm doing well.

1012
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 2: I first of all, I appreciate you answering that it's

1013
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: probably too personal, but I also think I knew you'd

1014
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: go to a place because you're so capable that somebody

1015
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: who's listening to our podcast and dealing with a very

1016
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: similar situation in the family. And when I heard your story,

1017
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: it made me think about a friend I had years

1018
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: ago in Vegas that lost his wife. And so first

1019
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 2: of all, I thank you for sharing that, but it's

1020
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: you know, it goes back to a saying I it's

1021
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 2: kind of a cliche, but we've heard it before, as

1022
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: you just never know what people have gone through in

1023
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 2: a day. Just be nice to people. I know social

1024
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: media does not elevate the life experience. It deteriorates it.

1025
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 2: That's why I stay away.

1026
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 1: So that was a.

1027
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: Pretty remarkable answer, and I do, Danny, I appreciate that,

1028
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: and I don't want to end on this because you're

1029
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: you're not a down or you're you're it's a really

1030
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 2: raw topic and I thought it was I wanted to hear.

1031
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been equipped. I don't know how you

1032
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: would have handled it.

1033
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: And I guess I think you probably would have been,

1034
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: but you don't know until you're confronted with it. And

1035
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you haven't been, and you don't want

1036
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: anybody to to deal with it, and and I you know,

1037
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: grief is hard, man, Grief is really hard, and yeah,

1038
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: it is. It is a downer, but it is relatable. Yeah,

1039
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: there's a there's a thing called anticipatory grief, which I

1040
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: didn't even know about. But it's like when you get

1041
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 1: a terminal diagnosis and then you're like grieving and you're

1042
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: like waiting for the actual person to die, and you think,

1043
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 1: like you have you you're dealing with anticipatory grief, Like

1044
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 1: you know eventually your dad's going to pass away, he

1045
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: has Alzheimer's. You know your brother's going to pass away,

1046
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: he's got terminal brain cancer. Uh, and then it happens

1047
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, it doesn't actually replace the real grief,

1048
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: so you just deal with it. And because you have

1049
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: literally no other choice. But I don't know. Man, buy

1050
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 1: a book, I'll donate a portion of it to brain

1051
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: cancer research.

1052
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, it's such a thank you, it really is.

1053
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: So we're thank you you bet. I want to circle back.

1054
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: Is that Chicago to me is I kind of feel

1055
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 2: Chicago people. There is a divide. Sometimes it's financial, sometimes

1056
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 2: it's in reach, obviously, between syndicated, national and local. I

1057
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: think local sports radio is much better than national sports radio.

1058
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:35,479
Speaker 2: And I think you're at the top of the heap.

1059
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: And I say that the best show I've ever heard.

1060
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: I think you're the best talent doing it in the country.

1061
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 2: I think Felger and Mas and Boston have the ability

1062
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: to be in a in a very tribal town, incredibly

1063
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 2: honest and hated and adored simultaneously. It's a really good listen.

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00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, pull huge numbers.

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00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a I used to as I was,

1066
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 2: you know, crafting this scrawny physique. I used to sit

1067
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: in my my downstairs in my weight room and just

1068
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: sit there and I would watch them for, you know,

1069
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: an hour. Chicago is to me, it's just everything I

1070
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: watch on TV. Local TV still matters. It looks like syndicated,

1071
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: it looked like national. It's I mean, Lester Holt, I

1072
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: think came from Chicago. My buddy Joe Donlin's an anchor

1073
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: in Chicago. I think he's as good as local anchor

1074
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 2: as you're going to get in the country Chicago sports radio.

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00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: To me, I love listening to it because it's just

1076
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: the perfect mix of tribal, smart insane. Oh yeah, if

1077
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: you have recently taken a rare you're a liked figure

1078
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 2: the voice, You're tolerant, you're bright, but you are a

1079
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 2: little bit you kind of moved into a space. As

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00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: far as I can tell, you were not really a

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00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: Justin's Fields guy. And the city was you know, of

1082
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: course they're clinging to it working. How the Bears were

1083
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 2: clinging to it. They wanted to say, we'll get nine

1084
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 2: picks for Caleb Williams. Everybody wanted it to work. So

1085
00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: what is it like now, probably for the first time

1086
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 2: in your career as being a villain for a few months.

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00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is fascinating. I'm gonna take off my

1088
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: headset for just one second because this will this will

1089
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: make sense. So because this is there is an exact

1090
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: moment when my likability plummeted, and wow, I just have

1091
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: to pull out a prop real quick. I didn't know

1092
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about this hold on. So I I

1093
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: commissioned a Caleb Williams thirteen Bears Jersey the day they

1094
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: got the number one pick. So with a week left

1095
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: in the season, and so Justin Fields is still on

1096
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: the Bears. It's been He's likable, he's fun, he's exciting.

1097
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:51,000
Speaker 1: He was voted the eighty sixth best player in the

1098
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: NFL coming off of the twenty twenty two season when

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00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: they had the most dead cap space and no one

1100
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: else get on the team. People love Justin Fields, and

1101
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: the Bears did not try him well and it was

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00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: not fair and they did not build around him. In

1103
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: the situation that Caleb was walking into is a thousand times,

1104
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: but life isn't fair. And I was like, listen, here's

1105
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: the thing. I like hangarsteak, but I've got a chance

1106
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: for eight five wago and it's cheaper for some reason,

1107
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: for some reason, the wago is cheaper than the hangerstake. Like,

1108
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to go for it every time. And so

1109
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: when I people were like I, because now everyone's pumped

1110
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: for Caleb. But I was just like, this is how

1111
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: it's going to end. And I told them how it

1112
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: was going to end before they were ready to hear

1113
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: how it was going to end. And if I would

1114
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 1: have just had the take, people would have really disagreed.

1115
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: But for some reason, the fact that I spent one

1116
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: hundred and forty dollars on a jersey and like became

1117
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: a prop comic for a minute and like showed like

1118
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: I showed you how positive I was that this was

1119
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:55,439
Speaker 1: how it was going to end. Buddy? Were people mean

1120
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: to me on the internet? Like, man, But so weird

1121
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: about the whole thing is that I'm gonna be right.

1122
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: Like I bet mitchter Bisky at two hunderd to one

1123
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,919
Speaker 1: to an MVP blew up in my face. I said

1124
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: there was a zero percent chance the White Sox we're

1125
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: gonna hire Tony LaRussa blew up in my face. Like

1126
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: I've been wrong plenty of times. We give twenty hours

1127
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 1: a week of opinions, You're gonna be wrong all the time.

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01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: But man, did people hate this jersey? But now it's

1129
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: gonna be the number one selling jersey in the NFL

1130
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: for the next like five years. So I'm a I

1131
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: don't know if you knew this. I'm a fashion icon.

1132
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: I'm a trendsetter. I'm ahead of the curve. People are

1133
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: dressing like me now, and I frankly love it. But yeah,

1134
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: did I have it on my board that the thing

1135
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: that would make me most hated is the thing that

1136
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: I have been the most right about. No, that I

1137
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: did not expect that to be my how my career

1138
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: is gone. But now people are being pretty nicecause they're

1139
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: prety excited about Kaleb Boyams.

1140
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 2: Should be pipeline to the pros D three small college.

1141
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 2: Nobody's rose to rule in the NBA ben Kaplan Danny Parkins,

1142
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 2: forward by Jeff N. Gundy. I say this authentically and

1143
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: accurately and with one hundred percent belief. I think you're

1144
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: how old you now? Forty two, forty three, forty What?

1145
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: How old are you?

1146
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight.

1147
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ. It's disgusting how good you are at thirty eight.

1148
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: It's really such a bummer. I was hoping you were

1149
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,600
Speaker 2: fifty four and this was the years of training and

1150
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: you are really gifted.

1151
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: And oh, actually, hey, I'm thirty seven. I turned thirty eight,

1152
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you're just a jerk.

1153
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: Now now you're just piling on it. Anyway, You're great

1154
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 2: at what you do. I love listening and congratulations on

1155
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: the book, your career, your ascension, and I love you man.

1156
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: I think I just think you're just everything wrapped in empathy, curiosity,

1157
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: Smart's funny and a little bit of a villain. That's okay,

1158
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 2: it's fun. Lebron didn't like it in Miami, but you

1159
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,439
Speaker 2: know it is. It's part of the merry go round

1160
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 2: of our life.

1161
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: I can handle it and it's just sports at the

1162
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: end of the day, so like I can't. I can't

1163
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: get take it all too seriously. But no, listen, thank

1164
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: you for the kind words and the platform and supporting

1165
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 1: this and trying to hire me a couple of years ago.

1166
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 2: And I'm not done. I'm not done with that. So

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01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 2: we'll make another run on that, buddy.

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01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, Colin.

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01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, the Vine, thanks so much for listening.

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