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Speaker 3: And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez,
Speaker 3: and Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to Talking Cowboys Live from training camp in Ostar, California.
Speaker 4: I'm here with Patrick Walker, I'm here with Clarencehillo the
Speaker 4: fort Worst Star Telegram. I'm here with Christopher Beemer in
Speaker 4: the background. I'm Josh Rodriguez. Kyle Yeomans is not here,
Speaker 4: Isaiah Standback is not here, but we will be reunited
Speaker 4: once again once we get back home. Anyways, Boys, we
Speaker 4: had a game yesterday.
Speaker 1: We did.
Speaker 4: We had a football game yesterday. Yes How do we
Speaker 4: feel well?
Speaker 3: I mean, first and foremost, I think it's it's no
Speaker 3: secret I don't give a damn about wins and losses
Speaker 3: in the preseason feelers.
Speaker 1: I don't give a damn.
Speaker 3: Even a last second heartbreaker, even last second heartbreaker at
Speaker 3: the hands of a two time national champion.
Speaker 1: Instead submitted, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I really don't care what I care about is the
Speaker 3: Cowboys leaving these preseason matchups completely whole and healthy. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: they did suffer an injury yesterday, which we'll get to
Speaker 3: in a second. But I also care about evaluation. I'm
Speaker 3: evaluating these guys, uh and the Cowboys put a lot
Speaker 3: of players on the field yesterday that gave us a
Speaker 3: lot to evaluate.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm excited.
Speaker 5: Yeah, preseason never boy wins and losses. You know, we
Speaker 5: famously remember the nineteen eighty nine Cowboys. They went four
Speaker 5: and and then then.
Speaker 4: It was they.
Speaker 5: Were winning the Super Bowl. Jimmy and Jerry's first year.
Speaker 5: They were trying to win preseason games and no one cares.
Speaker 5: Or the Windless Lions, you know, they went winless. They
Speaker 5: went four and on the preseason went on sixteen. So
Speaker 5: the the ultimate outcome of the game doesn't matter. It's
Speaker 5: how they play and what you see on the field.
Speaker 5: Evaluation of the players, development, the players that are not
Speaker 5: necessarily trying to win games, they're trying to put them
Speaker 5: in situations so you can evaluate. And we got guys
Speaker 5: in the situations. You got guys on the field who
Speaker 5: had we hadn't seen since last season, and so that's
Speaker 5: what you're supposed to take from. Certainly the Preachts and
Speaker 5: Opener back in the olden days. I'm old now, you know,
Speaker 5: they did have their dressing hurts for the season. We
Speaker 5: had the starters go out there in the third preseason
Speaker 5: game and play a half, and you want to see
Speaker 5: how they look. They don't do that anymore. Just you know,
Speaker 5: like that guy's played the Prestons since twenty nineteen, you know,
Speaker 5: and that's you're not gonna see DeMarcus Lawrence any and
Speaker 5: the starters in the preseason. So it's really about watch
Speaker 5: look at these young guys and taking kind of seeing
Speaker 5: how they're develop and how they can handle these situations.
Speaker 4: Well, before we start breaking on the game, I want
Speaker 4: to get to some Cowboys news notes and injury updates. Patrick,
Speaker 4: what do you have for us?
Speaker 3: Well, let's first start with because I don't believe we
Speaker 3: had a show since the Cowboys executed that trade. So
Speaker 3: by now you obviously know, ladies and gentlemen. Cornerback Nasehn Wright,
Speaker 3: former third round pick of the Dallas Cowboys, has been
Speaker 3: sent to Minnesota and the Vikings in exchange for former
Speaker 3: second round pick Andrew Booth out of Clemson two time
Speaker 3: All acc talent, and basically you should look at that
Speaker 3: the same way you looked at last year's trade between
Speaker 3: the Dolphins and the Cowboys Kelvin Joseph the South Florida
Speaker 3: in exchange for Noah Igbonoghany. That was more so a
Speaker 3: special teams thing. This is the same with the addition
Speaker 3: of Booth, will have a chance to compete behind Jordan
Speaker 3: Lewis with guys like Eric Scott, Josh Butler, Kemon Hall
Speaker 3: for that nickel role. But it also tells me that
Speaker 3: they are big on what they're seeing with Kayln Carson
Speaker 3: on that outside boundary protection here in Campain.
Speaker 1: They should be because he is excelling.
Speaker 3: Injury news, Cowboys came out mostly whole, as I stated
Speaker 3: at the top of the show, but they did suffer
Speaker 3: one injury that we are aware of right now.
Speaker 5: Chill.
Speaker 3: He started the game against the Rams in the preseason opener.
Speaker 3: He left with he left the stadium in a boot.
Speaker 3: I'm being told that it's the big toe on his
Speaker 3: left foot. TBD on if he's going to be available
Speaker 3: for the next preseason game or when he will be
Speaker 3: available back in practice, So of course that thrust rookie
Speaker 3: first round picked. Tyler got in to the front of
Speaker 3: that line and he looked sensational and only twenty one snaps.
Speaker 5: Yesterday, I'm glad you I was worried about you pronounced
Speaker 5: that Noah's names. I'm gladogayh yeah yeah right, yeah, it
Speaker 5: took it took a lot of practice.
Speaker 4: That that media guy that has that's that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. That trade was about trading somebody
Speaker 5: one disappointment for another disappointment. It's like last year, somebody's
Speaker 5: trash for somebody that's without thee respect with due respect
Speaker 5: was last year. Neither one of those guys on the
Speaker 5: team they were traded for. You know, Bland is not with.
Speaker 1: The dog I mean, with all due respect insert disrespect.
Speaker 5: From the states out here. But but but that, but
Speaker 5: that's what I mean. It's disappointment. Okay, draft, But how
Speaker 5: do you want to call it? They did not live
Speaker 5: up the expectations with their current team, and so they're
Speaker 5: trying to see and then but you know, the guy
Speaker 5: that the Cowboys got back was a higher pick and
Speaker 5: so you know you want to and he's a higher
Speaker 5: pick and you want to see what he has. He
Speaker 5: has you know, another year on his contract. Uh. Regarding
Speaker 5: the injury, to mean just can't stay healthy and he
Speaker 5: has not been healthy since has been here. But let's
Speaker 5: be honest, stop the charade. This raid should have been stopped.
Speaker 1: I would go ahead, stop.
Speaker 5: Bangate off and put the young guy out there. It
Speaker 5: should have been done. Okay? Can I say that should
Speaker 5: have been done?
Speaker 4: Should be the starting left We know the starter. You
Speaker 4: got to earn the star man.
Speaker 5: I mean, I just don't understand why they do that sometimes,
Speaker 5: especially with the first round pick. Put the dude out there.
Speaker 5: We didn't do that with macal Parsons.
Speaker 4: Well, we're not doing that with Cooper Baby, not doing that.
Speaker 5: With round pick. You said, it's two different things. He
Speaker 5: still has to learn how to snap. But you drafted
Speaker 5: this guy in the first round to replace Tyron Smith
Speaker 5: as your left tackle. Put him out there, let him
Speaker 5: get some some chemistry and all that stuff with Tylan Smith.
Speaker 5: Stopping the charade, and I hate when coaches do that.
Speaker 4: Stop the charade and not to not to compare the players.
Speaker 5: Was a rookie, they didn't do that.
Speaker 4: Well did they do that to Tyrone Smith?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: He was automatic.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's a long time ago.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, listen, I wanted to be clear because I'm
Speaker 3: all about receipts. If you go back to I want
Speaker 3: to say May June, one of those episodes on the
Speaker 3: junior varsity show Cowboys Break, I actually said that, and
Speaker 3: it's it's on there, it's on video. I said that,
Speaker 3: before it's all said and done, I believe Tyler guy
Speaker 3: and would be the starting left tackle for the Cowboys
Speaker 3: Week one.
Speaker 1: Of course, all said fort Saw said, hello.
Speaker 5: That's what's on draft day.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 3: I agree that being said, I also know, I also
Speaker 3: know that the Cowboys and offensive line coach Mike Clarry,
Speaker 3: their old school ball coaches, they did want him to
Speaker 3: earn the Star.
Speaker 1: My point being, there are a lot of Cowboys fans.
Speaker 3: Who were asking there's a lot of Cowboys fans who
Speaker 3: were asking the question, will he be ready? Tyler got
Speaker 3: in as far as the transitioning left tackle, that was
Speaker 3: the bigger question. Not necessarily would he be, but would
Speaker 3: he be ready for that role? And my answer was yes,
Speaker 3: back in June, and out here we are in August
Speaker 3: having the conversation, and how you feel the problem.
Speaker 5: Here is that it's not about him earning the Star
Speaker 5: what is what is done to earn the start at all?
Speaker 1: Say?
Speaker 5: And I agree, but that's the problem, is problem with
Speaker 5: the mindset he needs to earn it. What is Chuma
Speaker 5: done to earn it?
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's the tradition. I agree with.
Speaker 5: The trad be different with a veteran star.
Speaker 3: I'm not like I don't like Cranberry so was a veteran,
Speaker 3: but it'll be there everything.
Speaker 5: But Tuma's done nothing, has never been a starter, never
Speaker 5: been a start on this team. He does not have it.
Speaker 5: Why does he have, like, you know, old school you
Speaker 5: know credit, He don't get no old school credit.
Speaker 3: Old school ball coach will likely always give the nod
Speaker 3: going into a camp to a veteran and that's basically
Speaker 3: what you're looking at with that dynamic. But even without
Speaker 3: Tuma battling health issues, I was of the full belief
Speaker 3: that Tyler got in would transition quickly to left tackle
Speaker 3: or back to left tackle, because it's not as if
Speaker 3: he hasn't played that before. Back to left tackle, and
Speaker 3: he's done that, and kudos to that young man. Because
Speaker 3: this summer was spent working with our good friend Duke
Speaker 3: Miniweather and oil masterminds back in Frisco.
Speaker 1: It was working every day getting it done.
Speaker 3: He didn't take a time off, he didn't go on
Speaker 3: a vacation to celebrate making it to the team that
Speaker 3: he's been a lifelong fan of. He was working and
Speaker 3: it's showing out. It's showing up out here in camping.
Speaker 3: It showed up in his limited reups against the Reum,
Speaker 3: and it.
Speaker 5: Should just go back. I mean, that's why we put
Speaker 5: so much attention on first round picks. When they don't play, Okay,
Speaker 5: give him every chance to play. Can we go back
Speaker 5: to Bobby Carpenter? You know he wasn't he didn't start.
Speaker 5: You know, when they don't play, you know.
Speaker 4: That's a that's an indicative indication that you know, this.
Speaker 5: Guy whatever, if he ain't earned it and you don't
Speaker 5: put him out to play, give me every chance to
Speaker 5: be successful a guy you invested in the first round picking.
Speaker 5: That's say red flag. Yeah, that's I mean, you go,
Speaker 5: That's why Mozzie's under the microscope this year. That's why
Speaker 5: Taco charge got so much, you know, brought up to
Speaker 5: I'm just saying when when Orlando scandals started in front
Speaker 5: of the first round pick, that was a problem back
Speaker 5: in what oh seven, whatever that was? You know your
Speaker 5: your first round pick is supposed to come out of play.
Speaker 5: Absolutely give him a chance to play.
Speaker 4: We saw him yesterday. We saw him yesterday take some
Speaker 4: limited snaps. What did we see out of Tyler got
Speaker 4: in snaps? Limited snaps?
Speaker 1: You know what for?
Speaker 3: Uh, for a guy that missed the previous several practices
Speaker 3: with an illness, for a guy that wasn't one hundred
Speaker 3: healthy from that illness when taking the field yesterday, and
Speaker 3: to see him escorting gentlemen out of the club on
Speaker 3: certain plays. One play in particular, Cowboys second drive, third
Speaker 3: and ten, Trey Lance get sprung off to the left side,
Speaker 3: nineteen yard game, third down conversion. Go back and look
Speaker 3: at that play and watch Tyler guy and absolutely walk
Speaker 3: his guy five yards in the other direction to.
Speaker 1: Clear that lane.
Speaker 3: This is a guy that didn't feel well yesterday and
Speaker 3: didn't practice several practices before. And if that's what you're
Speaker 3: gonna get from this young man at eighty percent capacity
Speaker 3: when he's fully healthy, which he will be here soon,
Speaker 3: imagine what that looks like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was on a pitch count, you know, missed
Speaker 5: a few days in practice because of you know, illness.
Speaker 5: You know, they held him out of scrimmage, and certainly
Speaker 5: his conditioning was an issue, but when he was on
Speaker 5: the field, he was lights out. He did not have
Speaker 5: a bad rep.
Speaker 3: He did not did not have a single ball or
Speaker 3: twenty one reps and each one of those were positive reps.
Speaker 4: Now, looking on the other side of the things, well,
Speaker 4: just down the line, basically Cooper BB had some snaps
Speaker 4: as well at the backup center position. How do we
Speaker 4: feel about Cooper BB and are the expectations kind of
Speaker 4: coming down a little bit for Cooper BB.
Speaker 3: I don't think the expectations are coming down. I think
Speaker 3: he's training in the right direction. Yeah, if you look
Speaker 3: at his snaps yesterday, and for those of us that
Speaker 3: have been in camp from day one, compare what his
Speaker 3: snaps looked like day one and training camp versus what
Speaker 3: they looked like on yesterday. He's getting more comfortable. Is
Speaker 3: he as comfortable as brock Kaffman there making those snaps?
Speaker 3: Not quite yet, which is why brock Kaffman is still
Speaker 3: the starter as we have this conversation. But this Cooper
Speaker 3: BB making strides in that category. Absolutely he is. And
Speaker 3: one thing he doesn't necessarily need to make strides in
Speaker 3: is being able to block and hold anchor and stay
Speaker 3: in front of guys that looked fantastic yesterday. So still
Speaker 3: working on the snaps with the blocking is there.
Speaker 5: Well, that's just it. I mean, Brock Hobblin, the cowboy
Speaker 5: know what he is. He is what he is, ye right,
Speaker 5: you know, and he's certainly the head of Cooper now
Speaker 5: because Cooper's basically transmitted to a new position. But as
Speaker 5: Stephen Jones told me last week, the boys know last
Speaker 5: week and as you've seen throughout the cap, Cooper's rising. Yep, okay,
Speaker 5: guy's gonna be I mean, I got him. But Harbin's
Speaker 5: gonna be here. Cooper's rising, and will he catching by
Speaker 5: the time Steven starts with to catch him by the
Speaker 5: third game of the season, We'll see. But Cooper's rising.
Speaker 5: The upside is there, and that's why you draft him
Speaker 5: the third round because at the upside you knew from
Speaker 5: day one he was not gonna be, you know, a
Speaker 5: finished product as a center. For the first time, snapping
Speaker 5: with your mama is different, you know.
Speaker 3: First of all, Yeah, we're not gonna pretend mama BV
Speaker 3: can't take the can't take a shotgun snap.
Speaker 5: She's proved he can't. But it's not about her. It's
Speaker 5: about what's in front of you. Okay, snaps with the
Speaker 5: big uglies is they say breathing down your neck, you know,
Speaker 5: And in either of a game, it's different snapping in
Speaker 5: the backyard.
Speaker 1: Ain't nobody rest what.
Speaker 5: You worked on it. So that's good. It was great video,
Speaker 5: but it's not the same and we've seen that out
Speaker 5: of here. So's had problem with some of the snaps
Speaker 5: and stuff because of that. But it's about getting.
Speaker 4: Comfortable, absolutely.
Speaker 3: And I also add to this, keep in mind, and
Speaker 3: I've said this before, keep saying it, Cooper BB was
Speaker 3: a gift. He was a gift the Cowboys were able
Speaker 3: to flip their late right, well, able to flip that
Speaker 3: late first round pick. You got Tyler gout and you
Speaker 3: got Cooper b b out of that deal. So kind
Speaker 3: of to what Clarence is saying. As far as the
Speaker 3: pressure that's on a guy like Tyler got in first
Speaker 3: round pick, it's not necessarily on Cooper BB number one.
Speaker 3: He's a third round pick, number two. He was acquired
Speaker 3: in the trade, so he's that added pick, right, So
Speaker 3: there's a little bit of time there's some grace there
Speaker 3: as far as the first several weeks, maybe even the
Speaker 3: first full season for Cooper BB.
Speaker 1: But he's trending in the right direction.
Speaker 3: Like Clarence said, the coaches agree the eye the eye tests,
Speaker 3: he's passing it. As far as that trajectory, he just
Speaker 3: needs to continue to work on.
Speaker 5: And what's also true is this, the Cowboys are comfortable
Speaker 5: playing with Hoffman at center. They're not comfortable playing with
Speaker 5: Odoga at center. Let's be honest about that. That's not
Speaker 5: gonna be whening now. Hoffman is not you know, obviously
Speaker 5: he's never gonna be a Pro Bowl He's not that
Speaker 5: type of center, but he's solid enough to play with.
Speaker 5: You know, you're not gonna be playing with you modogas
Speaker 5: center protecting Dak Prescott's blind side.
Speaker 4: I think as long as you're you're improving over the
Speaker 4: center play of last season and the season before that,
Speaker 4: I think over.
Speaker 5: The center played one the first year. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you're gonna get that long term
Speaker 5: potential is there, But to say that you're gonna be
Speaker 5: better than Tyler Beads immediately, I don't know that Hoffman
Speaker 5: is better. I don't know that Cooper BB would be
Speaker 5: better as a rookie, but potentially over the you know,
Speaker 5: his career. I think Cooper BB has a bigger upside
Speaker 5: for sure. That's what the Cowboys are banking.
Speaker 1: On well right now.
Speaker 3: And if you look back to the transition from Connor
Speaker 3: Williams slash Connor McGovern to Tyler Baddish and now the
Speaker 3: transition from Tyler Baddish to whomever it might be ultimately
Speaker 3: brought off in Cooper BB. I do believe long term
Speaker 3: it'll be Cooper bev. Will that be an instant transition,
Speaker 3: I don't As far as instant upgrade, I don't know
Speaker 3: that that's necessarily the case. Is it possible, Yes, it's possible,
Speaker 3: especially because yeah, that's the goal. And brought Hoffman's credit.
Speaker 3: He has the demeanor, right, he absolutely has the demeanor.
Speaker 5: It it'd be good. I don't know if he has
Speaker 5: the demeanor to be better than Beata's. Okay, that that's
Speaker 5: I mean, that's two different.
Speaker 3: Which which version of the step back last year or
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl because we're talking two different versions of.
Speaker 5: I don't know, because he didn't beat in my last year,
Speaker 5: you know, and and so I don't know that. I mean,
Speaker 5: you're talking about the guy that has never been given
Speaker 5: that opportunity, was not drafted for that opportunity. Agree the
Speaker 5: fact that what he's doing is already a bonus for
Speaker 5: his career. No one expected out of him, So let's
Speaker 5: not let's not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just not coordinate him right now. What you're saying, I'm.
Speaker 5: Glad you bought Connor Williams up because it's funny because
Speaker 5: if the Cowboys would have had the foresight and move
Speaker 5: Connor to center earlier.
Speaker 1: HM sounds like a discussion for another show when the
Speaker 1: special guest.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, all right, boys, we got to take our first
Speaker 4: break when we come back. We got to talk about
Speaker 4: Trey Lance. We got to talk about Trey Lance's performance
Speaker 4: and some more game breakers from the game last night
Speaker 4: or yesterday. We'll be right back after this.
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Speaker 1: Good pause every single time.
Speaker 4: Did you get your Oats? In Claire.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't eat healthy like that.
Speaker 4: You're supposed to be like, Yeah, I got the old
Speaker 4: Clarence for breakfast. Ohts absolutely bring out the good I.
Speaker 5: Don't really eat breakfast. I should, but I don't eat.
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Speaker 4: All right, Uh, we gotta talk. We gotta talk about
Speaker 4: Trey Lance's first outing as a Cowboys quarterback. What stood
Speaker 4: out to you and do you see the cowboy the
Speaker 4: future of the Dallas Cowboys quarterback.
Speaker 3: What I saw from Trey Lance is floading question discomfort.
Speaker 3: I saw he learned a lot. I saw a lack
Speaker 3: of trust in what he was seeing out there. There
Speaker 3: were several occasions where and I'll point out too, particularly
Speaker 3: fourth down, you're in the shadow of the end zone.
Speaker 3: And I believe it was a great play call because
Speaker 3: you had Jalen Cropper. He basically put his defender in
Speaker 3: a vapor trail on the crosser. If that ball comes out, no,
Speaker 3: we're not doing the crop this thing. If that ball
Speaker 3: comes out immediately, that's a touchdown for Trey Lance and
Speaker 3: Jalen Cropper. On another play deep right to Cam Johnson,
Speaker 3: that ball sailed, and on both of those passes the
Speaker 3: ball sailed, but those were the only two times the.
Speaker 1: Ball did that.
Speaker 3: I think with Trey Lance, he needs to process a
Speaker 3: bit faster and if he does that, in addition to
Speaker 3: trusting himself, yeah, he's gonna make mistakes. But I think
Speaker 3: he's so afraid of making mistakes that he's leaving plays
Speaker 3: on the field.
Speaker 1: So that's my biggest takeaway. I want.
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see how he progresses to Game two.
Speaker 3: I do love the fact that he was accountable after
Speaker 3: the game and he showed maturity. He stood in front
Speaker 3: of that train and he basically said, I got to
Speaker 3: make the throws.
Speaker 1: I got to make the throws.
Speaker 3: So although he's a young guy, the maturity is there,
Speaker 3: the IQ is there. You just have to trust yourself
Speaker 3: because if you don't, you'll never make the throw that
Speaker 3: you're supposed to make in those small windows. Because there's
Speaker 3: Clarence kin attest. When it comes to NFL coverage windows,
Speaker 3: the receiver isn't really open. You have to throw that
Speaker 3: guy open. So when they are open, you got to
Speaker 3: make sure you make those throws.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like Trey yeah, great kid, great kid, great attitude.
Speaker 5: You know, I saw, you know, and I respect him
Speaker 5: owning his play, you know. And but that's what he is,
Speaker 5: you know. And and and you know it's funny because
Speaker 5: you set it up with Jakrins dad. And that's all
Speaker 5: everybody talking about is why are we asking that question?
Speaker 1: That's not the question.
Speaker 5: Why are we asking that question?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 4: Because because fans are asking that's not the question.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, that's not smart. The hate old Dak or whatever.
Speaker 1: Let me come on, stop the question. He was never
Speaker 1: an option to be the.
Speaker 5: Future quarterback of the Cowboys, you know. But because he
Speaker 5: is undone by his draft status, right, you know, the
Speaker 5: forty nine ers overdrafted him, and so everybody's all former
Speaker 5: first round pick, third overall pick. He must have some
Speaker 5: he's a potential replacement for Dak Prescott. That's never that
Speaker 5: was never on the table. And like I was trying
Speaker 5: to tell people when when Patrick Mahone was a rookie,
Speaker 5: all here was buzz out of practice. Oh yeah, Alex
Speaker 5: Fith is good. But this rookie, this dude here, he's
Speaker 5: killing in practice. We heard nothing all all year last
Speaker 5: year about what Trey Lands were doing.
Speaker 4: In practice, No, still in development. Last year.
Speaker 5: It works hard, but you heard nothing. There was nothing
Speaker 5: next level about his game or anything like that. Again,
Speaker 5: a great kid, but it's gonna be hard for him
Speaker 5: to overcome what he doesn't have. And that's a lack
Speaker 5: of experience. That's a lack of snaps, that's a lack
Speaker 5: of reps. That's going back to high school. He only
Speaker 5: started one year in high school and he really wasn't
Speaker 5: the quarterback growing up. He don't have all the seven
Speaker 5: on seven reps. He's played roughly seventeen games in college.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, four game, four starts, and you look
Speaker 5: at some of the quarterbacks that come out and look
Speaker 5: at all the reps and all the snaps and all
Speaker 5: the defenses they've seen. And then when he played in college,
Speaker 5: they made throw about seven times a game. You know,
Speaker 5: there's a lot. He has a decent athlete, decent arm
Speaker 5: there's nothing the next level about either one of those things. Again,
Speaker 5: the four nine ers overdrafted them, so everybody's you know
Speaker 5: which you know, Trey Lands, Trey Lands, Trail Lands. But
Speaker 5: there's a lot for him to overcome, right, So what
Speaker 5: you saw when he misses, he misses high. You know
Speaker 5: that that in the cropper, you don't have to make
Speaker 5: a perfect throw, throw the ball in bounds. Cropper could
Speaker 5: jump up get the ball or get a pass in affairs.
Speaker 5: That's how bassive defensive back was beat.
Speaker 3: And I will also say when it to kind of
Speaker 3: piggyback off of the back end of wood, Clarence is saying,
Speaker 3: which ties right back into my process and got a
Speaker 3: process quickly on a couple of those sacks that he took.
Speaker 1: You have to get rid of that ball.
Speaker 3: You can't take a sack, and those you haven't seen
Speaker 3: it right, which goes to I don't know what he can.
Speaker 5: Do in the preseason. Three preseason games against backups.
Speaker 1: It's gonna have to be ever.
Speaker 5: Say, if Dak Prescott gets hurt, I'm put him instead
Speaker 5: of Cooper Rush. That's that's not that's not even wrong.
Speaker 5: And this is not on the tape. Let's be realistic.
Speaker 5: That's not on the table. Can't he develop? Can he
Speaker 5: show something, maybe compete for the backup job next year,
Speaker 5: that's what you're oving for. But anybody thinks that he
Speaker 5: can really see that, I'm if a gun to my head,
Speaker 5: Dak press get hurt, he can do nothing against backups
Speaker 5: in limited schemes, in three persons games. To tell me
Speaker 5: I'm putting them on the field. Get instead of Cooper Rush,
Speaker 5: who's five and win as a start, who's one game,
Speaker 5: one real game.
Speaker 4: That that's the real argument here, and and I think it's.
Speaker 1: Not an argument right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those are the facts. Actually, Yeah, a.
Speaker 3: Look at we talked about who performed well and limited
Speaker 3: slapt the snaps Hooper Rush. He starts the game and
Speaker 3: immediately deep left ball to Jaalen Brooks right on the money,
Speaker 3: dropped it right in the bucket and then backed out.
Speaker 1: It was like, did my job?
Speaker 5: Yes. And you know it's funny because I think that
Speaker 5: was centers to buy McCarthy and Cooper Rush. I know
Speaker 5: everybody thinking about Trey Lanz, We're gonna show you something
Speaker 5: real quick. We're gonna show you what a real back
Speaker 5: it looks like. Real quick, we're gonna sit you down
Speaker 5: and get it done. And and and so look, well everybody,
Speaker 5: I mean, Trey lands a great kid and and hopefully
Speaker 5: he can continue to develop and mature and make somebody's career.
Speaker 5: I wish you could play at the UFL. I wish
Speaker 5: you could go and just play football and get those reps.
Speaker 5: You look at all the quarterbacks that come out in
Speaker 5: the draft. You know, the kid from Washington. You know
Speaker 5: how many snaps they've had, how many times they've seen
Speaker 5: it and seen it and seen it. He has not
Speaker 5: seen it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not seventeen college games, no.
Speaker 5: But but got even the games. Look at his past attempts,
Speaker 5: he got like four hundred. I mean, you don't have
Speaker 5: a lot of passes. He got like four hundred pass attempts.
Speaker 5: You know, that's a couple of good games.
Speaker 4: Right, you know, I think with him yesterday, it was
Speaker 4: more like it kind of felt like he was looking
Speaker 4: at the bigger picture, the grander scheme. He was trying
Speaker 4: his best not to make mistakes. And he granted he
Speaker 4: didn't make a lot of mistakes aside from taking all
Speaker 4: those sacks. It was he didn't throw four interceptions, but
Speaker 4: he also didn't win the game.
Speaker 5: I mean, you you you get four interceptions and you
Speaker 5: don't win the game because you don't get your team
Speaker 5: in his zone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he points.
Speaker 5: I mean that's that's that's in a nutshell. You know
Speaker 5: how hard it is to lose a game when you're
Speaker 5: plus four in turnal. I don't care with pre seasons, okay,
Speaker 5: and several of turnovers in plus territory and you can't get.
Speaker 3: Nothing when one and on particular and in particular one
Speaker 3: of those turnovers, this was after brock Mogson got his interception.
Speaker 3: Cowboys had five plays for negative eleven yards. Negative eleven
Speaker 3: yards that cannot happen. So again, when you're in the
Speaker 3: red zone. Yeah, when you're in the reds no less.
Speaker 3: So again, you know, great human being Trey Lance is.
Speaker 3: He's a great young man and he has a high
Speaker 3: football like you, and I can't stress enough. I love
Speaker 3: how he takes accountability. I'm huge on that with everyone.
Speaker 3: And he's not running from the criticism. He's putting it
Speaker 3: on himself as well. Interested to see how he improves.
Speaker 3: But it's also true that improvement has to take place,
Speaker 3: and there's not a lot of time for it to
Speaker 3: take place.
Speaker 1: But also for the.
Speaker 3: Fans, keep keep this in the right framing, like Clarence
Speaker 3: and Josh and myself that we're saying, keep it in
Speaker 3: the right framing. Even if Trey Lance improves greatly over
Speaker 3: the remaining two preseason games, he's not in a battle
Speaker 3: with Dak Prescott. He's in a battle with Cooper Rush,
Speaker 3: and right now Cooper Rush.
Speaker 4: Is winning absolutely all. Right, now, let's put it really
Speaker 4: quickly to defense. We had not one, not two, not three,
Speaker 4: four four.
Speaker 5: Four, Yeah, should have five, six, should have six. One
Speaker 5: got call back, and I know my boy's kicking himself
Speaker 5: over the first interception held. Had he dropped in his own.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Marquis, Marquis, it.
Speaker 3: Could have easily been six interceptions. I say, because hey,
Speaker 3: it happens. He doesn't play for Georgia anymore. So welcome
Speaker 3: to the NFL, Stetsuben It. Welcome to Mike Zimmer's defense, STETSONB.
Speaker 1: Bennett. So, but yeah, it could have been. Well, first,
Speaker 1: let's take it a step back.
Speaker 3: We talked to Marquise Bell after the game and he
Speaker 3: said that the defense had a goal of three interceptions
Speaker 3: yesterday and they walked away with four, and they could
Speaker 3: have walked away with six because Marquise had an opportunity
Speaker 3: for two, possibly three himself. I'll say two because the
Speaker 3: third one fell just short and skipped right in front
Speaker 3: of him. But then you had two interceptions from linebacker.
Speaker 3: You had Eric Scott getting in on the interception party
Speaker 3: as well, for all of the talk of you know,
Speaker 3: what does Mike Zimmer's scheme look like and how does
Speaker 3: that translate the takeaways and are we going to see
Speaker 3: the Cowboys defense turn down and take aways to be
Speaker 3: able to turn up on things like run defense. Well,
Speaker 3: first showing and this is just preseason, so qualified the
Speaker 3: right way right the third strings. First showing though, looks
Speaker 3: like they still know how to take the ball away.
Speaker 1: So that's a problem. That's promise.
Speaker 5: So yeah, ball guys catch the ball. That's what you're doing.
Speaker 5: That's one thing that certainly that Dad Quinn brought here.
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, like I said, the good news
Speaker 5: is then this sception did not go to Washington. Turnovers
Speaker 5: did not go to Washington with Dad Quinn. They're they're
Speaker 5: still here and ball guys will make plays. I was
Speaker 5: really happy for Marquise Bell, guy who played out of
Speaker 5: position last year, undersized, you know, linebacker, and there was
Speaker 5: so much scrutiny about the linebackers. He's back to his
Speaker 5: natural position of safety. He showed up, he showed out.
Speaker 4: He was a big part of but he was thumping too, a.
Speaker 5: Big part of the defense. That's what he does, that's
Speaker 5: who he.
Speaker 1: Is it was all over the field.
Speaker 4: That would to me was indicative of the playing out
Speaker 4: of position last year and how he learned from that
Speaker 4: to take that into the safety position that he has
Speaker 4: now or going back to now. He was all over
Speaker 4: the field. He was making every single play.
Speaker 3: He had a not a team high, but a game
Speaker 3: high nine tackles in addition to his one interception. Nearly
Speaker 3: two interceptions could argue possibly three, But he was all
Speaker 3: over the field. He was thumping as well, And that's
Speaker 3: an excellent point you bring up, Josh. He's using what
Speaker 3: he learned at a linebacker as linebacker and he's putting
Speaker 3: that into play back in the role of safety. But
Speaker 3: at the same time zimmer is using that as well.
Speaker 3: Because you'll see times and there wasn't much disguise.
Speaker 1: And that's what's.
Speaker 3: Crazy about it, because the Cowboys walked away with four
Speaker 3: interceptions and they weren't disguising nearly as much as we've
Speaker 3: seen them disguise out here in practice or as much
Speaker 3: as you're gonna see them disguise when the games start
Speaker 3: counting in Cleveland, and they were still able to do that.
Speaker 3: A large reason was when Mike Zimber did use Marquis
Speaker 3: Bell in disguise, he'd feign him as a linebacker. And
Speaker 3: if you're watching, if you're an opposing offensive coordinator, you're
Speaker 3: watching film on Bell last year. You saw how many
Speaker 3: reps he took at linebacker, so you have to respect that,
Speaker 3: and then respecting that that confuses the quarterback when Bell
Speaker 3: drops back, if he drops out, and that helped Stetson
Speaker 3: Bennett remain discombobulated for most of the game. So Marquise Bell, right, Mark,
Speaker 3: he's discombobulated. Marqui's Bell phenomenal game yesterday, and he's building
Speaker 3: upon what we saw last year. He looks far more
Speaker 3: comfortable at safety, and that's gonna make him very dangerous.
Speaker 4: Now, is this Mike Zimmer's defense in full of I mean, well,
Speaker 4: you just answered that he's not disguising as much as
Speaker 4: you know as he is out here in ice cream.
Speaker 4: So if this is vanilla ice cream? Are we feeling
Speaker 4: more confident now than we did at the start of
Speaker 4: the season when we hired uh, Mike Zimmer?
Speaker 5: I mean we got to see it in real games.
Speaker 1: I mean you like going to say you got talking
Speaker 1: to the Mike.
Speaker 5: We got to see it in real games. I mean,
Speaker 5: we we got you, we got to see that. I mean,
Speaker 5: you like Zimmer as a coach, you like his history, absolutely,
Speaker 5: You like the fact that the guys have taken into
Speaker 5: his system, you know, but until we see it in
Speaker 5: live action, until we see Cleveland, until they stopped the
Speaker 5: run against Cleveland, which will be you know, job one
Speaker 5: in that season opener. Let's you know, let's let's let's
Speaker 5: hold off or make any you know that that that
Speaker 5: this is gonna be better. They hope it's gonna be better.
Speaker 5: They you know, obviously, everybody has a as Mike Taylor said,
Speaker 5: everybody got a game plan to get hit the face.
Speaker 5: So they got a game plan and they know what
Speaker 5: they want to do. Can they get it done? Will
Speaker 5: they get it done?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And I feel like when it comes to Zimmer, you're
Speaker 3: giving him a lot of credit, rightfully, so because of pedigree,
Speaker 3: right and you're giving him a lot of credit because
Speaker 3: of IQ And to the point of Marveion Overshown saying
Speaker 3: yesterday after the game that there were many times where
Speaker 3: Zimmer wasn't even looking at his play call sheet. He
Speaker 3: was just calling the plays in real time without looking
Speaker 3: at a sheet. I mean, that's that's genius level stuff.
Speaker 3: But what we need to see is how it comes together.
Speaker 3: But also that goes to personnel as well. He's not
Speaker 3: going to have the benefit of having the depth of
Speaker 3: that during So i'mstrong and Dante Dalla presented and guess
Speaker 3: what he doesn't have Sam Williams either. How quickly will
Speaker 3: Marshawn Kneeling come up to bat? How quickly will well?
Speaker 3: What will Williami Fojoko look like in year two?
Speaker 5: You're counting on a lot of.
Speaker 1: Right, So that there lies the question.
Speaker 4: No matter how good the defense, aron lies the question.
Speaker 3: It's the personnel and how he can get these young
Speaker 3: guys playing and that, and.
Speaker 5: That's been a criticism from day one. You know, from
Speaker 5: going back to the off seasons. They didn't add anybody
Speaker 5: to replace the guys they lost, and you know they're hoping, praying,
Speaker 5: believing in the second your jumps and guys coming back
Speaker 5: and listen and I know, you know, over Shawn's on
Speaker 5: the car sheet and we're gonna talk about him. I
Speaker 5: believe in Overshaw, you know, I believe that he's gonna
Speaker 5: have that you know come back that you do, of
Speaker 5: course I do, but I believe in it.
Speaker 1: Because of what but you should though you should. I'm
Speaker 1: just joking.
Speaker 5: I believe, Yeah, I believe what what what what he's
Speaker 5: seeing and what he's done, and so you believe in that.
Speaker 5: But until you get in the games and he hasn't,
Speaker 5: you know, seeing all the stuff they're gonna put at him,
Speaker 5: and and all the other stuff. So you know, it's
Speaker 5: still a waiting to see because again there's just a
Speaker 5: lot of you know, like Misie Smiths, you know, the defense,
Speaker 5: the defensive tackling. What he's done is gonna be big
Speaker 5: as far as the scheme. But it's not just misy
Speaker 5: who's behind it. I mean, there's not a lot of
Speaker 5: depth on the defense line, a lot of proof depth.
Speaker 1: It's skinny, they're not out of proven depth.
Speaker 5: We already talked about the loss of you know, Sam
Speaker 5: Williams and stuff like that, and so there are questions
Speaker 5: about the personnel as much as they are about the scheme.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I totally agree. I think at least with
Speaker 4: de Marvin Overshown, I think more people are because of
Speaker 4: the flashes that you saw last preseason, people are more
Speaker 4: excited to see him on the field this year. Whereas
Speaker 4: Mazi Smith, you saw him a lot last year. He
Speaker 4: was healthy. That jump needs to happen quick and like
Speaker 4: you guys are saying behind him, you know who is there.
Speaker 3: But here's in speaking to Demarvion Overshown really quickly. One
Speaker 3: of the things I believed and hoped for de Maarrion
Speaker 3: Overshown is the phrase I used as far as I'm
Speaker 3: coming off with the torn acl list, he doesn't know
Speaker 3: what he doesn't know right.
Speaker 1: So whereas typically you will see guys.
Speaker 3: Need grace when it comes to recovering from a torn
Speaker 3: acl how quickly will they get back or how long
Speaker 3: will it take for them to get back to form.
Speaker 5: All of the.
Speaker 3: Conversations I've had with Overshown over the course of this offseason,
Speaker 3: it's it's almost like it never happened, with the exception
Speaker 3: of him using it for you know, positive gains with
Speaker 3: lean muscle and things like that. Go back and look
Speaker 3: at the first couple of reps for him against the
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams on Sunday. Look at how he was
Speaker 3: able to stop the run and look how he's flying around.
Speaker 1: He's playing like it never happened.
Speaker 3: So I think the benefit of his youth and him
Speaker 3: having never suffered an injury like that, and I know
Speaker 3: it could go the other way because he had never
Speaker 3: suffered an injury like that. He could come back and
Speaker 3: oh well what if and is my knee going to
Speaker 3: hold He's flown to the opposite side of the spectrum.
Speaker 3: He's like, man, listen, it happened. God's playing, I'm back.
Speaker 3: Let's play ball. And it's showing.
Speaker 5: And the thing about Overshid is it's he you know,
Speaker 5: he's just like a kid out there. He's just so
Speaker 5: happy to be out there, so exuberant, so so excitable.
Speaker 5: He's you know, it's infectious, you know. And you you know,
Speaker 5: you talk about one thing about acl he's had a
Speaker 5: full year to recover. Yeah, you know, he was hurting,
Speaker 5: always had a full year to recover. And so yeah,
Speaker 5: he's running out there, running the cowboys, hold on the
Speaker 5: pitch out that being caught with him when he's out there,
Speaker 5: he's running to the ball and you see him flashing
Speaker 5: some of that ability that he showed last year. But
Speaker 5: he had the quarter of the night last night. I'm
Speaker 5: trying to find it here.
Speaker 1: Fly swatter, fly swatter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had the quarter of the night, you know,
Speaker 5: and you know, uh, he talked about how he was
Speaker 5: just he's so competitive, you know. I think somebody did
Speaker 5: get an interview with him, and he said the last
Speaker 5: year he watched game with his helm and on, you know,
Speaker 5: and so he's so competitive.
Speaker 4: But he talked about I mean, clearly it looks like
Speaker 4: he fell asleep in the equipment run. Yeah, but he
Speaker 4: he has so many wristbands barding there.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But but he talked about his intensity and what
Speaker 5: he did during games, and he said that, you know,
Speaker 5: because he wanted to be out there. You gotta find
Speaker 5: the little wins. There were times of going in my
Speaker 5: garage with a fly swatter in his flies all day,
Speaker 5: you know, just to feel something, just to work on
Speaker 5: reaction time. You know, I'm from the country, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna.
Speaker 5: Say we had flies the woman to say that you
Speaker 5: have we had. There were flies that came in out.
Speaker 5: We have recognition back then, okay, from the seventies of
Speaker 5: the country and you you you well there was it
Speaker 5: a football president of else. You tried to catch a
Speaker 5: fly and see how quick you were. You know, you're
Speaker 5: trying that's something you know. You know, we didn't have Nintendo, Okay,
Speaker 5: we didn't have to We didn't have video games. You
Speaker 5: had the five things to keep you you know, so
Speaker 5: you try to see if you can catch a fly
Speaker 5: real quick, you know. But it's you know, so I
Speaker 5: can relate to that. But yeah, him talking about he
Speaker 5: used to try to catch flies, you know, to see
Speaker 5: it rection because it's true, and it shows you how
Speaker 5: quick you are running down chickens, run down rabbits, you know,
Speaker 5: the more fast guys used to run them rabbits.
Speaker 1: You know, we used to run down squirrels.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all of that that that, you know, that.
Speaker 4: Showed just he's got a farm, So I'm sure that
Speaker 4: no quite literally Being from you know, country spot myself,
Speaker 4: we used to chase squirrels and that was an agility test.
Speaker 3: Yeah right, if you can corner with the squirrel, then
Speaker 3: you're going to make the varsity.
Speaker 1: So demo, we feel you. God new what you gotta do.
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Speaker 4: we need to talk about Dax health. He was not
Speaker 4: at our last practice that we had the the what
Speaker 4: was that?
Speaker 5: It was just my frind. He wasn't that Friday we
Speaker 5: did the game.
Speaker 4: He did the due to equal sore in us.
Speaker 5: It did the joint practice on Thursday. Then Friday morning
Speaker 5: didn't practice, which all bells ranked went off. Why he
Speaker 5: didn't practice? Certainly he didn't do the mock game on
Speaker 5: Saturday either, but he didn't need to do that because
Speaker 5: he wasn't playing on Sunday.
Speaker 4: But he was at the game yesterday, not in.
Speaker 3: A boot, not in the boot, looking motivating the players
Speaker 3: before the game and hyped up, hyped up, and he
Speaker 3: said he'll be He said he'll be a practice on.
Speaker 5: The bottom line, as he said, he's fine. It was precautionary.
Speaker 5: He had some soreness. Uh, and let's he's gonna feeling
Speaker 5: about the curtains.
Speaker 1: He's gonna deal with that.
Speaker 5: He's always gonna have to deal with the soreness and
Speaker 5: stuff with that ankle. Of course, if you remember that
Speaker 5: tragic injury, you know, and everything they put it into
Speaker 5: that that's part of the life he's gonna be living with.
Speaker 5: I told my sister, you know, she she fractured ankle
Speaker 5: last year. I said, you have to continue to rehab
Speaker 5: that ankle. You're You're never gonna be It's never gonna
Speaker 5: be enough because it's gonna bother. You got metal plates,
Speaker 5: all this stuff in your ankle. Lie, It's always gonna
Speaker 5: be there. And it's something that that is gonna have
Speaker 5: to deal with. And and certainly he's dealt with. He's
Speaker 5: not missed a game with the ankle. I missed one
Speaker 5: game since he's been back with the ankle. But it's
Speaker 5: something he has to deal with. He said he would
Speaker 5: be ready to go on Tuesday and full going, full
Speaker 5: and ready to practice on Tuesday. So until it's in
Speaker 5: this year is not an issue.
Speaker 3: And he's fine and and like Claire said, he's gonna
Speaker 3: deal with it the rest of his life because of
Speaker 3: how devastating that injury was. And anyone who suffered a
Speaker 3: major injury knows it's gonna hurt when it rains. That's
Speaker 3: that's how the saying goes. So you know, you're gonna
Speaker 3: have to keep dealing with and managing that over the
Speaker 3: course of of the rest of his life. But is
Speaker 3: it in a position where it's gonna cost him availability.
Speaker 1: No, it is not.
Speaker 5: Unlike the summer when he had the boot on the gulls.
Speaker 1: And then the boot disappeared. It's gonna hurt when it rains.
Speaker 5: He's not in a boot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, not at all.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: So we see him going to practice all week, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what he said, until that's when Mike
Speaker 5: McCarthy told us out of the game. So Dak tows
Speaker 5: in the locker room after game. So, uh, he says,
Speaker 5: gonna practice full on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: It might even be a point I should say at
Speaker 3: this uh during the season where you might just have
Speaker 3: to start giving Dak like that veteran day, because Dak
Speaker 3: doesn't get that veteran day like Martin or like a
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Lawrence. But given that he's managing this, I could
Speaker 3: see them starting the institute a veteran day for him,
Speaker 3: just to make sure that he's managing that, you know,
Speaker 3: random swordess that pops up in that ankle, because it's
Speaker 3: it's something that he's going to have to deal with.
Speaker 4: Another note yesterday, Jerry Jones, uh spoke with our crew
Speaker 4: just before the game during the pregame shouts to everybody
Speaker 4: who did our pregame Dallas Cowboys dot com.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: Jer Jones clear up the CD narrative. His quote was,
Speaker 4: I think I got in trouble the other day when
Speaker 4: I said, look, we're not urgent about CD. Well, no
Speaker 4: one appreciates CD being on the field more than I do.
Speaker 4: I completely understand the anks that's happening. Whether you're missed
Speaker 4: or not. Well, CD, you are missed.
Speaker 3: Oh you want my take on this? Absolutely, Okay. My
Speaker 3: take on it is Jerry realized.
Speaker 4: That he may have been taking out of.
Speaker 3: Will realize what's at stake here and and that and normally,
Speaker 3: and it was actually abnormal for Jerry to walk that
Speaker 3: back because like we were joking offline before the mic
Speaker 3: and the camera went back hot Zeke who, like this
Speaker 3: is this is the same owner general manager who threw
Speaker 3: out the Zeke who line and and obviously the brains
Speaker 3: truck got backed up to Ezekiel Elliott's residence not long thereafter.
Speaker 3: But Jerry didn't walk that back, but he's walking this back.
Speaker 3: So it was interesting to see that. But The bottom
Speaker 3: line is, you know, if you look at the full quote,
Speaker 3: then you get the full picture of what Jerry said
Speaker 3: initially about Ceedee Lamb. But then also you need to
Speaker 3: attach that to what Stephen Jones said and was saying
Speaker 3: at the same time that Jerry was on the field talking.
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said.
Speaker 3: Not quote zero zero zero thoughts of Ceedee Lamb not
Speaker 3: being a Dallas cowboy. Of course, of course he invoked
Speaker 3: the franchise wording and everything on true because facts are facts.
Speaker 3: Franchise tags possible. But as it stands, contract talks continue,
Speaker 3: they're still positive. And the fact that Jerry reframed what
Speaker 3: he said without doing that prior to any of the
Speaker 3: other free not Freed, it's any of the other big
Speaker 3: names that he was working to deal with, that tells
Speaker 3: you just how badly they want to get this CD
Speaker 3: Lamb deal done.
Speaker 5: Let me just say one thing. You want to say
Speaker 5: more than just one thing this world. Don't even it's something.
Speaker 5: Don't bring the franchise attack. I mean, we ain't get
Speaker 5: the deal done this year, and no, you get this
Speaker 5: franchise attack, it would be world war It's nice, but
Speaker 5: peeling back further on the Curtains. I talked to Jerry
Speaker 5: last Monday. He told me the same thing. We don't
Speaker 5: need City out there. Don't say that. He said, don't
Speaker 5: write that, and I didn't write it, and I'm only
Speaker 5: saying it now publicly because of the fires. To him,
Speaker 5: he said, don't write there.
Speaker 3: And for those that don't know, he actually did tell
Speaker 3: me this a few days ago.
Speaker 5: He said, he said, because it's a sensitive situation, and
Speaker 5: don't write that. And so it's when he said that
Speaker 5: public I'm like, dude, you understood, because that's the reason
Speaker 5: he walked it back is because City was offended. He
Speaker 5: got hurt, you know, And like I try to tell people,
Speaker 5: That's why I don't get caught up into it, because
Speaker 5: I'm a veteran. I've seen a million of these things.
Speaker 5: Jerry's done thousands of contract negotiations for the players. It's
Speaker 5: their first one, you know. As Zeke so eloquently said,
Speaker 5: you know, up, we was talking about the situation for
Speaker 5: your first four years of your career. They loving you,
Speaker 5: loving you, love you. Now, this is the first time
Speaker 5: you're on the opposite side some table with the team,
Speaker 5: you know, and you're hearing some things that you you
Speaker 5: have not heard before and so it's personal. And so
Speaker 5: while Jerry was joking, and he was, he was clearly joking,
Speaker 5: you know, because if he followed it up with we
Speaker 5: asked him why you said, I don't know why he
Speaker 5: just said it. And Jerry said a number of times
Speaker 5: on and off the record that one benefit they want
Speaker 5: see the year they want see these who doesn't Obviously
Speaker 5: it takes to the tango they have come to turn.
Speaker 5: But he said, one benefit of him not being years
Speaker 5: that he's not gonna get hurt. You see, Hollywood Brown
Speaker 5: got hurt the preseason game, the neighbors got hurt in practice.
Speaker 5: He's not gonna get hurt. And we also get the
Speaker 5: development of those younger guys, so he pointed, and that's
Speaker 5: part of what he was talking about. The question was asked,
Speaker 5: and it has to do with the framing of the question.
Speaker 5: The question was, is there any urgency to get his
Speaker 5: CD signed to see not being here as we start
Speaker 5: the preseason? Well, the preseason has never been a monumental
Speaker 5: issue for Jerry and the Cowboys as far as CD
Speaker 5: lamb because he was never playing the games.
Speaker 1: Yes, so when.
Speaker 5: You when you when you frame it urgency as we
Speaker 5: start the preseason. No, it's not urgency. The precis they
Speaker 5: got nothing to do with the conversation. They got to negotiations.
Speaker 5: But it takes a life of his own when it
Speaker 5: just left out there and then CD hears it and he's,
Speaker 5: you know, he's offended and he's now taking all the
Speaker 5: cowboys off his social media. So Jerry, he's he did
Speaker 5: the right thing. Let me listen. See in case you
Speaker 5: don't understand, In case you don't know, I love you,
Speaker 5: we want you here. We just got to get the
Speaker 5: deal with that.
Speaker 3: Bottom line is for players, negotiations are very personal. For organizations,
Speaker 3: negotiation negotiations are absolutely not personal at all, and there's
Speaker 3: always going to be that disconnected. This was one of
Speaker 3: those times where ceedee lamb. It hit him right in
Speaker 3: the chest because it's personal and he wants to be
Speaker 3: out here with his guys and he's sitting there at
Speaker 3: home and he's like, what's the hold up? And no,
Speaker 3: he's not talking to his agent every single day because
Speaker 3: his agent also has other people to represent, and there
Speaker 3: may not be there have been offers exchanged recently, but
Speaker 3: it may not be an every.
Speaker 1: Five minute offer type thing. So their CD like what's
Speaker 1: going on?
Speaker 3: And it gets into this the space of well do
Speaker 3: they not value me as much as I wish that
Speaker 3: they did? And then you hear the untimely comment by
Speaker 3: Jones and then it's like it triggers. So bottom line
Speaker 3: is we're talking to these coaches, we're talking to you know, ownership,
Speaker 3: We're talking to these players, Dak Prescott and things like that.
Speaker 1: And what did Dak said? Dak said, I have the urgency.
Speaker 3: The players want him here, the coaches want him here,
Speaker 3: ownership wants him here, the analysts want him here. It's
Speaker 3: more fun covering the team when you're here. CD, so
Speaker 3: handry your business and I look forward to you getting
Speaker 3: out here. That will not be a franchise tax situation
Speaker 3: and see Lamb gets his deal before the season starts.
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