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Speaker 2: Training Live from Dallas Cowboys training camp in Oxnard, Calix

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Speaker 3: And now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez,

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Speaker 3: and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to Talking Cowboys Live from training camp in Ostar, California.

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Speaker 4: I'm here with Patrick Walker, I'm here with Clarencehillo the

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Speaker 4: fort Worst Star Telegram. I'm here with Christopher Beemer in

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Speaker 4: the background. I'm Josh Rodriguez. Kyle Yeomans is not here,

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Speaker 4: Isaiah Standback is not here, but we will be reunited

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Speaker 4: once again once we get back home. Anyways, Boys, we

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Speaker 4: had a game yesterday.

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Speaker 1: We did.

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Speaker 4: We had a football game yesterday. Yes How do we

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Speaker 4: feel well?

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Speaker 3: I mean, first and foremost, I think it's it's no

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Speaker 3: secret I don't give a damn about wins and losses

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Speaker 3: in the preseason feelers.

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Speaker 1: I don't give a damn.

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Speaker 3: Even a last second heartbreaker, even last second heartbreaker at

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Speaker 3: the hands of a two time national champion.

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Speaker 1: Instead submitted, I don't care.

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Speaker 3: I really don't care what I care about is the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys leaving these preseason matchups completely whole and healthy. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: they did suffer an injury yesterday, which we'll get to

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Speaker 3: in a second. But I also care about evaluation. I'm

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Speaker 3: evaluating these guys, uh and the Cowboys put a lot

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Speaker 3: lot to evaluate.

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Speaker 1: So that's what I'm excited.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, preseason never boy wins and losses. You know, we

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Speaker 5: famously remember the nineteen eighty nine Cowboys. They went four

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Speaker 5: and and then then.

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Speaker 4: It was they.

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Speaker 5: Were winning the Super Bowl. Jimmy and Jerry's first year.

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Speaker 5: They were trying to win preseason games and no one cares.

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Speaker 5: Or the Windless Lions, you know, they went winless. They

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Speaker 5: the the ultimate outcome of the game doesn't matter. It's

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Speaker 5: how they play and what you see on the field.

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Speaker 5: Evaluation of the players, development, the players that are not

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Speaker 5: in situations so you can evaluate. And we got guys

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Speaker 5: what you're supposed to take from. Certainly the Preachts and

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Speaker 5: they did have their dressing hurts for the season. We

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Speaker 5: like that guy's played the Prestons since twenty nineteen, you know,

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Speaker 4: Well, before we start breaking on the game, I want

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Speaker 4: to get to some Cowboys news notes and injury updates. Patrick,

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Speaker 4: what do you have for us?

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Speaker 3: Well, let's first start with because I don't believe we

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Speaker 3: by now you obviously know, ladies and gentlemen. Cornerback Nasehn Wright,

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Speaker 3: sent to Minnesota and the Vikings in exchange for former

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Speaker 3: All acc talent, and basically you should look at that

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Speaker 3: in exchange for Noah Igbonoghany. That was more so a

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Speaker 1: They should be because he is excelling.

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Speaker 3: Injury news, Cowboys came out mostly whole, as I stated

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Speaker 5: Chill.

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Speaker 3: He started the game against the Rams in the preseason opener.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday, I'm glad you I was worried about you pronounced

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Speaker 4: That that media guy that has that's that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. That trade was about trading somebody

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Speaker 5: one disappointment for another disappointment. It's like last year, somebody's

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Speaker 5: trash for somebody that's without thee respect with due respect

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Speaker 5: was last year. Neither one of those guys on the

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Speaker 1: The dog I mean, with all due respect insert disrespect.

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Speaker 5: From the states out here. But but but that, but

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Speaker 5: that's what I mean. It's disappointment. Okay, draft, But how

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Speaker 5: do you want to call it? They did not live

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Speaker 5: up the expectations with their current team, and so they're

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Speaker 5: trying to see and then but you know, the guy

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Speaker 5: so you know you want to and he's a higher

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Speaker 5: has you know, another year on his contract. Uh. Regarding

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Speaker 5: the injury, to mean just can't stay healthy and he

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Speaker 5: has not been healthy since has been here. But let's

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Speaker 5: be honest, stop the charade. This raid should have been stopped.

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Speaker 1: I would go ahead, stop.

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Speaker 5: Bangate off and put the young guy out there. It

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Speaker 5: should have been done. Okay? Can I say that should

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Speaker 4: Should be the starting left We know the starter. You

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Speaker 4: got to earn the star man.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I just don't understand why they do that sometimes,

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Speaker 5: especially with the first round pick. Put the dude out there.

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Speaker 5: We didn't do that with macal Parsons.

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Speaker 4: Well, we're not doing that with Cooper Baby, not doing that.

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Speaker 5: With round pick. You said, it's two different things. He

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Speaker 5: still has to learn how to snap. But you drafted

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Speaker 5: Stopping the charade, and I hate when coaches do that.

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Speaker 4: Stop the charade and not to not to compare the players.

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Speaker 5: Was a rookie, they didn't do that.

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Speaker 4: Well did they do that to Tyrone Smith?

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Speaker 4: He was automatic.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's a long time ago.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, listen, I wanted to be clear because I'm

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Speaker 3: all about receipts. If you go back to I want

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Speaker 3: junior varsity show Cowboys Break, I actually said that, and

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Speaker 3: it's it's on there, it's on video. I said that,

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Speaker 3: before it's all said and done, I believe Tyler guy

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Speaker 1: Of course, all said fort Saw said, hello.

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Speaker 5: That's what's on draft day.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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Speaker 3: I agree that being said, I also know, I also

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Speaker 3: their old school ball coaches, they did want him to

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Speaker 3: earn the Star.

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Speaker 1: My point being, there are a lot of Cowboys fans.

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Speaker 3: Who were asking there's a lot of Cowboys fans who

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Speaker 3: were asking the question, will he be ready? Tyler got

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Speaker 3: in as far as the transitioning left tackle, that was

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Speaker 3: back in June, and out here we are in August

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Speaker 3: having the conversation, and how you feel the problem.

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Speaker 5: Here is that it's not about him earning the Star

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Speaker 5: what is what is done to earn the start at all?

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Speaker 1: Say?

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Speaker 5: And I agree, but that's the problem, is problem with

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's the tradition. I agree with.

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Speaker 5: The trad be different with a veteran star.

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Speaker 3: I'm not like I don't like Cranberry so was a veteran,

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Speaker 5: But Tuma's done nothing, has never been a starter, never

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Speaker 5: Why does he have, like, you know, old school you

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Speaker 3: Old school ball coach will likely always give the nod

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Speaker 3: going into a camp to a veteran and that's basically

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Speaker 3: what you're looking at with that dynamic. But even without

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Speaker 3: he hasn't played that before. Back to left tackle, and

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Speaker 3: he's done that, and kudos to that young man. Because

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Speaker 3: this summer was spent working with our good friend Duke

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Speaker 1: It was working every day getting it done.

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Speaker 3: He didn't take a time off, he didn't go on

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Speaker 3: it's showing out. It's showing up out here in camping.

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Speaker 3: It showed up in his limited reups against the Reum,

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Speaker 5: Should just go back. I mean, that's why we put

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Speaker 5: so much attention on first round picks. When they don't play, Okay,

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Speaker 5: give him every chance to play. Can we go back

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Speaker 5: to Bobby Carpenter? You know he wasn't he didn't start.

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Speaker 5: You know, when they don't play, you know.

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Speaker 4: That's a that's an indicative indication that you know, this.

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Speaker 5: Guy whatever, if he ain't earned it and you don't

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Speaker 5: put him out to play, give me every chance to

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Speaker 5: That's say red flag. Yeah, that's I mean, you go,

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Speaker 5: That's why Mozzie's under the microscope this year. That's why

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Speaker 5: Taco charge got so much, you know, brought up to

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Speaker 5: I'm just saying when when Orlando scandals started in front

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Speaker 5: of the first round pick, that was a problem back

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Speaker 5: in what oh seven, whatever that was? You know your

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Speaker 5: your first round pick is supposed to come out of play.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely give him a chance to play.

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Speaker 4: We saw him yesterday. We saw him yesterday take some

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Speaker 4: limited snaps. What did we see out of Tyler got

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Speaker 4: in snaps? Limited snaps?

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Speaker 1: You know what for?

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Speaker 3: Uh, for a guy that missed the previous several practices

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Speaker 3: with an illness, for a guy that wasn't one hundred

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Speaker 3: to see him escorting gentlemen out of the club on

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Speaker 3: certain plays. One play in particular, Cowboys second drive, third

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Speaker 3: nineteen yard game, third down conversion. Go back and look

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Speaker 3: at that play and watch Tyler guy and absolutely walk

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Speaker 3: his guy five yards in the other direction to.

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Speaker 1: Clear that lane.

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Speaker 5: The upside is there, and that's why you draft him

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Speaker 1: Ain't nobody rest what.

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Speaker 5: You worked on it. So that's good. It was great video,

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Speaker 3: And I also add to this, keep in mind, and

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Speaker 1: But he's trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Like Clarence said, the coaches agree the eye the eye tests,

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Speaker 5: And what's also true is this, the Cowboys are comfortable

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Speaker 5: You know, you're not gonna be playing with you modogas

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Speaker 4: I think as long as you're you're improving over the

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Speaker 5: The center played one the first year. I mean, I mean,

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Speaker 5: for sure. That's what the Cowboys are banking.

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Speaker 1: On well right now.

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Speaker 3: And if you look back to the transition from Connor

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Speaker 3: I don't As far as instant upgrade, I don't know

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Speaker 3: He has the demeanor, right, he absolutely has the demeanor.

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Speaker 5: It it'd be good. I don't know if he has

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Speaker 5: I don't know, because he didn't beat in my last year,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just not coordinate him right now. What you're saying, I'm.

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Speaker 5: Glad you bought Connor Williams up because it's funny because

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't eat healthy like that.

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Speaker 3: What I saw from Trey Lance is floading question discomfort.

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Speaker 3: I saw he learned a lot. I saw a lack

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Speaker 3: you're supposed to make in those small windows. Because there's

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Speaker 3: Clarence kin attest. When it comes to NFL coverage windows,

439
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Speaker 3: the receiver isn't really open. You have to throw that

440
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Speaker 3: guy open. So when they are open, you got to

441
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Speaker 3: make sure you make those throws.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I like Trey yeah, great kid, great kid, great attitude.

443
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Speaker 5: You know, I saw, you know, and I respect him

444
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Speaker 5: owning his play, you know. And but that's what he is,

445
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,919
Speaker 5: you know. And and and you know it's funny because

446
00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 5: you set it up with Jakrins dad. And that's all

447
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 5: everybody talking about is why are we asking that question?

448
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Speaker 1: That's not the question.

449
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Speaker 5: Why are we asking that question?

450
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Speaker 1: Why?

451
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Speaker 4: Because because fans are asking that's not the question.

452
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Speaker 5: I'm sorry, that's not smart. The hate old Dak or whatever.

453
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Speaker 1: Let me come on, stop the question. He was never

454
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Speaker 1: an option to be the.

455
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Speaker 5: Future quarterback of the Cowboys, you know. But because he

456
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Speaker 5: is undone by his draft status, right, you know, the

457
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 5: forty nine ers overdrafted him, and so everybody's all former

458
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Speaker 5: first round pick, third overall pick. He must have some

459
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Speaker 5: he's a potential replacement for Dak Prescott. That's never that

460
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Speaker 5: was never on the table. And like I was trying

461
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Speaker 5: to tell people when when Patrick Mahone was a rookie,

462
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Speaker 5: all here was buzz out of practice. Oh yeah, Alex

463
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Speaker 5: Fith is good. But this rookie, this dude here, he's

464
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Speaker 5: killing in practice. We heard nothing all all year last

465
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Speaker 5: year about what Trey Lands were doing.

466
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Speaker 4: In practice, No, still in development. Last year.

467
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Speaker 5: It works hard, but you heard nothing. There was nothing

468
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Speaker 5: next level about his game or anything like that. Again,

469
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Speaker 5: a great kid, but it's gonna be hard for him

470
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Speaker 5: to overcome what he doesn't have. And that's a lack

471
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Speaker 5: of experience. That's a lack of snaps, that's a lack

472
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Speaker 5: of reps. That's going back to high school. He only

473
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Speaker 5: started one year in high school and he really wasn't

474
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Speaker 5: the quarterback growing up. He don't have all the seven

475
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Speaker 5: on seven reps. He's played roughly seventeen games in college.

476
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Speaker 5: You know, yeah, four game, four starts, and you look

477
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Speaker 5: at some of the quarterbacks that come out and look

478
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Speaker 5: at all the reps and all the snaps and all

479
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 5: the defenses they've seen. And then when he played in college,

480
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Speaker 5: they made throw about seven times a game. You know,

481
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Speaker 5: there's a lot. He has a decent athlete, decent arm

482
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Speaker 5: there's nothing the next level about either one of those things. Again,

483
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Speaker 5: the four nine ers overdrafted them, so everybody's you know

484
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Speaker 5: which you know, Trey Lands, Trey Lands, Trail Lands. But

485
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Speaker 5: there's a lot for him to overcome, right, So what

486
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 5: you saw when he misses, he misses high. You know

487
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Speaker 5: that that in the cropper, you don't have to make

488
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Speaker 5: a perfect throw, throw the ball in bounds. Cropper could

489
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Speaker 5: jump up get the ball or get a pass in affairs.

490
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Speaker 5: That's how bassive defensive back was beat.

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Speaker 3: And I will also say when it to kind of

492
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Speaker 3: piggyback off of the back end of wood, Clarence is saying,

493
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Speaker 3: which ties right back into my process and got a

494
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Speaker 3: process quickly on a couple of those sacks that he took.

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Speaker 1: You have to get rid of that ball.

496
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Speaker 3: You can't take a sack, and those you haven't seen

497
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Speaker 3: it right, which goes to I don't know what he can.

498
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Speaker 5: Do in the preseason. Three preseason games against backups.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna have to be ever.

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Speaker 5: Say, if Dak Prescott gets hurt, I'm put him instead

501
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Speaker 5: of Cooper Rush. That's that's not that's not even wrong.

502
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Speaker 5: And this is not on the tape. Let's be realistic.

503
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Speaker 5: That's not on the table. Can't he develop? Can he

504
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Speaker 5: show something, maybe compete for the backup job next year,

505
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Speaker 5: that's what you're oving for. But anybody thinks that he

506
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Speaker 5: can really see that, I'm if a gun to my head,

507
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Speaker 5: Dak press get hurt, he can do nothing against backups

508
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Speaker 5: in limited schemes, in three persons games. To tell me

509
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Speaker 5: I'm putting them on the field. Get instead of Cooper Rush,

510
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Speaker 5: who's five and win as a start, who's one game,

511
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Speaker 5: one real game.

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Speaker 4: That that's the real argument here, and and I think it's.

513
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Speaker 1: Not an argument right now.

514
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Speaker 4: Yeah, those are the facts. Actually, Yeah, a.

515
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Speaker 3: Look at we talked about who performed well and limited

516
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 3: slapt the snaps Hooper Rush. He starts the game and

517
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Speaker 3: immediately deep left ball to Jaalen Brooks right on the money,

518
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 3: dropped it right in the bucket and then backed out.

519
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Speaker 1: It was like, did my job?

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Speaker 5: Yes. And you know it's funny because I think that

521
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Speaker 5: was centers to buy McCarthy and Cooper Rush. I know

522
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Speaker 5: everybody thinking about Trey Lanz, We're gonna show you something

523
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 5: real quick. We're gonna show you what a real back

524
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Speaker 5: it looks like. Real quick, we're gonna sit you down

525
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Speaker 5: and get it done. And and and so look, well everybody,

526
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Speaker 5: I mean, Trey lands a great kid and and hopefully

527
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Speaker 5: he can continue to develop and mature and make somebody's career.

528
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Speaker 5: I wish you could play at the UFL. I wish

529
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Speaker 5: you could go and just play football and get those reps.

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Speaker 5: You look at all the quarterbacks that come out in

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Speaker 5: the draft. You know, the kid from Washington. You know

532
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Speaker 5: how many snaps they've had, how many times they've seen

533
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Speaker 5: it and seen it and seen it. He has not

534
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Speaker 5: seen it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, not seventeen college games, no.

536
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Speaker 5: But but got even the games. Look at his past attempts,

537
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Speaker 5: he got like four hundred. I mean, you don't have

538
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Speaker 5: a lot of passes. He got like four hundred pass attempts.

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Speaker 5: You know, that's a couple of good games.

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Speaker 4: Right, you know, I think with him yesterday, it was

541
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Speaker 4: more like it kind of felt like he was looking

542
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Speaker 4: at the bigger picture, the grander scheme. He was trying

543
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Speaker 4: his best not to make mistakes. And he granted he

544
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Speaker 4: didn't make a lot of mistakes aside from taking all

545
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Speaker 4: those sacks. It was he didn't throw four interceptions, but

546
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Speaker 4: he also didn't win the game.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you you you get four interceptions and you

548
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Speaker 5: don't win the game because you don't get your team

549
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Speaker 5: in his zone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he points.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's that's that's in a nutshell. You know

552
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Speaker 5: how hard it is to lose a game when you're

553
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Speaker 5: plus four in turnal. I don't care with pre seasons, okay,

554
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Speaker 5: and several of turnovers in plus territory and you can't get.

555
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Speaker 3: Nothing when one and on particular and in particular one

556
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Speaker 3: of those turnovers, this was after brock Mogson got his interception.

557
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: Cowboys had five plays for negative eleven yards. Negative eleven

558
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Speaker 3: yards that cannot happen. So again, when you're in the

559
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Speaker 3: red zone. Yeah, when you're in the reds no less.

560
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Speaker 3: So again, you know, great human being Trey Lance is.

561
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Speaker 3: He's a great young man and he has a high

562
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Speaker 3: football like you, and I can't stress enough. I love

563
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Speaker 3: how he takes accountability. I'm huge on that with everyone.

564
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Speaker 3: And he's not running from the criticism. He's putting it

565
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Speaker 3: on himself as well. Interested to see how he improves.

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Speaker 3: But it's also true that improvement has to take place,

567
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Speaker 3: and there's not a lot of time for it to

568
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Speaker 3: take place.

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Speaker 1: But also for the.

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Speaker 3: Fans, keep keep this in the right framing, like Clarence

571
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Speaker 3: and Josh and myself that we're saying, keep it in

572
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Speaker 3: the right framing. Even if Trey Lance improves greatly over

573
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Speaker 3: the remaining two preseason games, he's not in a battle

574
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Speaker 3: with Dak Prescott. He's in a battle with Cooper Rush,

575
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Speaker 3: and right now Cooper Rush.

576
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Speaker 4: Is winning absolutely all. Right, now, let's put it really

577
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Speaker 4: quickly to defense. We had not one, not two, not three,

578
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Speaker 4: four four.

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Speaker 5: Four, Yeah, should have five, six, should have six. One

580
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Speaker 5: got call back, and I know my boy's kicking himself

581
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 5: over the first interception held. Had he dropped in his own.

582
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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, Marquis, Marquis, it.

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Speaker 3: Could have easily been six interceptions. I say, because hey,

584
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Speaker 3: it happens. He doesn't play for Georgia anymore. So welcome

585
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Speaker 3: to the NFL, Stetsuben It. Welcome to Mike Zimmer's defense, STETSONB.

586
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Speaker 1: Bennett. So, but yeah, it could have been. Well, first,

587
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Speaker 1: let's take it a step back.

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Speaker 3: We talked to Marquise Bell after the game and he

589
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Speaker 3: said that the defense had a goal of three interceptions

590
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Speaker 3: yesterday and they walked away with four, and they could

591
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Speaker 3: have walked away with six because Marquise had an opportunity

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Speaker 3: for two, possibly three himself. I'll say two because the

593
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Speaker 3: third one fell just short and skipped right in front

594
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Speaker 3: of him. But then you had two interceptions from linebacker.

595
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Speaker 3: You had Eric Scott getting in on the interception party

596
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 3: as well, for all of the talk of you know,

597
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Speaker 3: what does Mike Zimmer's scheme look like and how does

598
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Speaker 3: that translate the takeaways and are we going to see

599
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Speaker 3: the Cowboys defense turn down and take aways to be

600
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Speaker 3: able to turn up on things like run defense. Well,

601
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Speaker 3: first showing and this is just preseason, so qualified the

602
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Speaker 3: right way right the third strings. First showing though, looks

603
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Speaker 3: like they still know how to take the ball away.

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Speaker 1: So that's a problem. That's promise.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, ball guys catch the ball. That's what you're doing.

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Speaker 5: That's one thing that certainly that Dad Quinn brought here.

607
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Speaker 5: And uh, you know, like I said, the good news

608
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Speaker 5: is then this sception did not go to Washington. Turnovers

609
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Speaker 5: did not go to Washington with Dad Quinn. They're they're

610
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 5: still here and ball guys will make plays. I was

611
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Speaker 5: really happy for Marquise Bell, guy who played out of

612
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Speaker 5: position last year, undersized, you know, linebacker, and there was

613
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Speaker 5: so much scrutiny about the linebackers. He's back to his

614
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Speaker 5: natural position of safety. He showed up, he showed out.

615
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Speaker 4: He was a big part of but he was thumping too, a.

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Speaker 5: Big part of the defense. That's what he does, that's

617
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Speaker 5: who he.

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Speaker 1: Is it was all over the field.

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Speaker 4: That would to me was indicative of the playing out

620
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Speaker 4: of position last year and how he learned from that

621
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Speaker 4: to take that into the safety position that he has

622
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Speaker 4: now or going back to now. He was all over

623
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Speaker 4: the field. He was making every single play.

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Speaker 3: He had a not a team high, but a game

625
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Speaker 3: high nine tackles in addition to his one interception. Nearly

626
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Speaker 3: two interceptions could argue possibly three, But he was all

627
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Speaker 3: over the field. He was thumping as well, And that's

628
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Speaker 3: an excellent point you bring up, Josh. He's using what

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Speaker 3: he learned at a linebacker as linebacker and he's putting

630
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Speaker 3: that into play back in the role of safety. But

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Speaker 3: at the same time zimmer is using that as well.

632
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Speaker 3: Because you'll see times and there wasn't much disguise.

633
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Speaker 1: And that's what's.

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Speaker 3: Crazy about it, because the Cowboys walked away with four

635
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Speaker 3: interceptions and they weren't disguising nearly as much as we've

636
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Speaker 3: seen them disguise out here in practice or as much

637
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Speaker 3: as you're gonna see them disguise when the games start

638
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 3: counting in Cleveland, and they were still able to do that.

639
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Speaker 3: A large reason was when Mike Zimber did use Marquis

640
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Speaker 3: Bell in disguise, he'd feign him as a linebacker. And

641
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Speaker 3: if you're watching, if you're an opposing offensive coordinator, you're

642
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: watching film on Bell last year. You saw how many

643
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Speaker 3: reps he took at linebacker, so you have to respect that,

644
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 3: and then respecting that that confuses the quarterback when Bell

645
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 3: drops back, if he drops out, and that helped Stetson

646
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Speaker 3: Bennett remain discombobulated for most of the game. So Marquise Bell, right, Mark,

647
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Speaker 3: he's discombobulated. Marqui's Bell phenomenal game yesterday, and he's building

648
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Speaker 3: upon what we saw last year. He looks far more

649
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Speaker 3: comfortable at safety, and that's gonna make him very dangerous.

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Speaker 4: Now, is this Mike Zimmer's defense in full of I mean, well,

651
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Speaker 4: you just answered that he's not disguising as much as

652
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Speaker 4: you know as he is out here in ice cream.

653
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 4: So if this is vanilla ice cream? Are we feeling

654
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Speaker 4: more confident now than we did at the start of

655
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Speaker 4: the season when we hired uh, Mike Zimmer?

656
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Speaker 5: I mean we got to see it in real games.

657
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: I mean you like going to say you got talking

658
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: to the Mike.

659
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Speaker 5: We got to see it in real games. I mean,

660
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 5: we we got you, we got to see that. I mean,

661
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 5: you like Zimmer as a coach, you like his history, absolutely,

662
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 5: You like the fact that the guys have taken into

663
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 5: his system, you know, but until we see it in

664
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Speaker 5: live action, until we see Cleveland, until they stopped the

665
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 5: run against Cleveland, which will be you know, job one

666
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 5: in that season opener. Let's you know, let's let's let's

667
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 5: hold off or make any you know that that that

668
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 5: this is gonna be better. They hope it's gonna be better.

669
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 5: They you know, obviously, everybody has a as Mike Taylor said,

670
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: everybody got a game plan to get hit the face.

671
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 5: So they got a game plan and they know what

672
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 5: they want to do. Can they get it done? Will

673
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 5: they get it done?

674
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

675
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Speaker 3: And I feel like when it comes to Zimmer, you're

676
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 3: giving him a lot of credit, rightfully, so because of pedigree,

677
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: right and you're giving him a lot of credit because

678
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 3: of IQ And to the point of Marveion Overshown saying

679
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: yesterday after the game that there were many times where

680
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 3: Zimmer wasn't even looking at his play call sheet. He

681
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: was just calling the plays in real time without looking

682
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 3: at a sheet. I mean, that's that's genius level stuff.

683
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: But what we need to see is how it comes together.

684
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 3: But also that goes to personnel as well. He's not

685
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: going to have the benefit of having the depth of

686
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: that during So i'mstrong and Dante Dalla presented and guess

687
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 3: what he doesn't have Sam Williams either. How quickly will

688
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: Marshawn Kneeling come up to bat? How quickly will well?

689
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: What will Williami Fojoko look like in year two?

690
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 5: You're counting on a lot of.

691
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: Right, So that there lies the question.

692
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 4: No matter how good the defense, aron lies the question.

693
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: It's the personnel and how he can get these young

694
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 3: guys playing and that, and.

695
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 5: That's been a criticism from day one. You know, from

696
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 5: going back to the off seasons. They didn't add anybody

697
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 5: to replace the guys they lost, and you know they're hoping, praying,

698
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 5: believing in the second your jumps and guys coming back

699
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 5: and listen and I know, you know, over Shawn's on

700
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 5: the car sheet and we're gonna talk about him. I

701
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 5: believe in Overshaw, you know, I believe that he's gonna

702
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 5: have that you know come back that you do, of

703
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 5: course I do, but I believe in it.

704
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 1: Because of what but you should though you should. I'm

705
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: just joking.

706
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: I believe, Yeah, I believe what what what what he's

707
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 5: seeing and what he's done, and so you believe in that.

708
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 5: But until you get in the games and he hasn't,

709
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 5: you know, seeing all the stuff they're gonna put at him,

710
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 5: and and all the other stuff. So you know, it's

711
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 5: still a waiting to see because again there's just a

712
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 5: lot of you know, like Misie Smiths, you know, the defense,

713
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 5: the defensive tackling. What he's done is gonna be big

714
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 5: as far as the scheme. But it's not just misy

715
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 5: who's behind it. I mean, there's not a lot of

716
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 5: depth on the defense line, a lot of proof depth.

717
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: It's skinny, they're not out of proven depth.

718
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Speaker 5: We already talked about the loss of you know, Sam

719
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 5: Williams and stuff like that, and so there are questions

720
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 5: about the personnel as much as they are about the scheme.

721
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I totally agree. I think at least with

722
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 4: de Marvin Overshown, I think more people are because of

723
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: the flashes that you saw last preseason, people are more

724
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: excited to see him on the field this year. Whereas

725
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: Mazi Smith, you saw him a lot last year. He

726
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: was healthy. That jump needs to happen quick and like

727
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: you guys are saying behind him, you know who is there.

728
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: But here's in speaking to Demarvion Overshown really quickly. One

729
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: of the things I believed and hoped for de Maarrion

730
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Speaker 3: Overshown is the phrase I used as far as I'm

731
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 3: coming off with the torn acl list, he doesn't know

732
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Speaker 3: what he doesn't know right.

733
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: So whereas typically you will see guys.

734
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Speaker 3: Need grace when it comes to recovering from a torn

735
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: acl how quickly will they get back or how long

736
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 3: will it take for them to get back to form.

737
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Speaker 5: All of the.

738
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Speaker 3: Conversations I've had with Overshown over the course of this offseason,

739
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Speaker 3: it's it's almost like it never happened, with the exception

740
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: of him using it for you know, positive gains with

741
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: lean muscle and things like that. Go back and look

742
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: at the first couple of reps for him against the

743
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: Los Angeles Rams on Sunday. Look at how he was

744
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 3: able to stop the run and look how he's flying around.

745
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: He's playing like it never happened.

746
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: So I think the benefit of his youth and him

747
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: having never suffered an injury like that, and I know

748
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: it could go the other way because he had never

749
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: suffered an injury like that. He could come back and

750
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 3: oh well what if and is my knee going to

751
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 3: hold He's flown to the opposite side of the spectrum.

752
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 3: He's like, man, listen, it happened. God's playing, I'm back.

753
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 3: Let's play ball. And it's showing.

754
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 5: And the thing about Overshid is it's he you know,

755
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 5: he's just like a kid out there. He's just so

756
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 5: happy to be out there, so exuberant, so so excitable.

757
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 5: He's you know, it's infectious, you know. And you you know,

758
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 5: you talk about one thing about acl he's had a

759
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 5: full year to recover. Yeah, you know, he was hurting,

760
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 5: always had a full year to recover. And so yeah,

761
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 5: he's running out there, running the cowboys, hold on the

762
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 5: pitch out that being caught with him when he's out there,

763
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: he's running to the ball and you see him flashing

764
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 5: some of that ability that he showed last year. But

765
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 5: he had the quarter of the night last night. I'm

766
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 5: trying to find it here.

767
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: Fly swatter, fly swatter.

768
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, he had the quarter of the night, you know,

769
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 5: and you know, uh, he talked about how he was

770
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 5: just he's so competitive, you know. I think somebody did

771
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 5: get an interview with him, and he said the last

772
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 5: year he watched game with his helm and on, you know,

773
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 5: and so he's so competitive.

774
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: But he talked about I mean, clearly it looks like

775
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: he fell asleep in the equipment run. Yeah, but he

776
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 4: he has so many wristbands barding there.

777
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 5: Yeah. But but he talked about his intensity and what

778
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 5: he did during games, and he said that, you know,

779
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 5: because he wanted to be out there. You gotta find

780
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 5: the little wins. There were times of going in my

781
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 5: garage with a fly swatter in his flies all day,

782
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 5: you know, just to feel something, just to work on

783
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 5: reaction time. You know, I'm from the country, you know.

784
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna.

785
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 5: Say we had flies the woman to say that you

786
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 5: have we had. There were flies that came in out.

787
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 5: We have recognition back then, okay, from the seventies of

788
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 5: the country and you you you well there was it

789
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 5: a football president of else. You tried to catch a

790
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 5: fly and see how quick you were. You know, you're

791
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 5: trying that's something you know. You know, we didn't have Nintendo, Okay,

792
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 5: we didn't have to We didn't have video games. You

793
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 5: had the five things to keep you you know, so

794
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 5: you try to see if you can catch a fly

795
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 5: real quick, you know. But it's you know, so I

796
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 5: can relate to that. But yeah, him talking about he

797
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 5: used to try to catch flies, you know, to see

798
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 5: it rection because it's true, and it shows you how

799
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 5: quick you are running down chickens, run down rabbits, you know,

800
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 5: the more fast guys used to run them rabbits.

801
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: You know, we used to run down squirrels.

802
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, all of that that that, you know, that.

803
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 4: Showed just he's got a farm, So I'm sure that

804
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 4: no quite literally Being from you know, country spot myself,

805
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 4: we used to chase squirrels and that was an agility test.

806
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 3: Yeah right, if you can corner with the squirrel, then

807
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: you're going to make the varsity.

808
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: So demo, we feel you. God new what you gotta do.

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Speaker 4: we need to talk about Dax health. He was not

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Speaker 4: at our last practice that we had the the what

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Speaker 5: It was just my frind. He wasn't that Friday we

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867
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Speaker 5: It did the joint practice on Thursday. Then Friday morning

868
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 5: didn't practice, which all bells ranked went off. Why he

869
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 5: didn't practice? Certainly he didn't do the mock game on

870
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 5: Saturday either, but he didn't need to do that because

871
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 5: he wasn't playing on Sunday.

872
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: But he was at the game yesterday, not in.

873
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: A boot, not in the boot, looking motivating the players

874
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 3: before the game and hyped up, hyped up, and he

875
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 3: said he'll be He said he'll be a practice on.

876
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,879
Speaker 5: The bottom line, as he said, he's fine. It was precautionary.

877
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 5: He had some soreness. Uh, and let's he's gonna feeling

878
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 5: about the curtains.

879
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: He's gonna deal with that.

880
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 5: He's always gonna have to deal with the soreness and

881
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 5: stuff with that ankle. Of course, if you remember that

882
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 5: tragic injury, you know, and everything they put it into

883
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 5: that that's part of the life he's gonna be living with.

884
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 5: I told my sister, you know, she she fractured ankle

885
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 5: last year. I said, you have to continue to rehab

886
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 5: that ankle. You're You're never gonna be It's never gonna

887
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 5: be enough because it's gonna bother. You got metal plates,

888
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 5: all this stuff in your ankle. Lie, It's always gonna

889
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 5: be there. And it's something that that is gonna have

890
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 5: to deal with. And and certainly he's dealt with. He's

891
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,359
Speaker 5: not missed a game with the ankle. I missed one

892
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 5: game since he's been back with the ankle. But it's

893
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 5: something he has to deal with. He said he would

894
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 5: be ready to go on Tuesday and full going, full

895
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 5: and ready to practice on Tuesday. So until it's in

896
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 5: this year is not an issue.

897
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: And he's fine and and like Claire said, he's gonna

898
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: deal with it the rest of his life because of

899
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: how devastating that injury was. And anyone who suffered a

900
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 3: major injury knows it's gonna hurt when it rains. That's

901
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 3: that's how the saying goes. So you know, you're gonna

902
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: have to keep dealing with and managing that over the

903
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: course of of the rest of his life. But is

904
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 3: it in a position where it's gonna cost him availability.

905
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: No, it is not.

906
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 5: Unlike the summer when he had the boot on the gulls.

907
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,919
Speaker 1: And then the boot disappeared. It's gonna hurt when it rains.

908
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 5: He's not in a boot.

909
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, not at all.

910
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: Uh.

911
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: So we see him going to practice all week, right.

912
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what he said, until that's when Mike

913
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 5: McCarthy told us out of the game. So Dak tows

914
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 5: in the locker room after game. So, uh, he says,

915
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 5: gonna practice full on Tuesday.

916
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: It might even be a point I should say at

917
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 3: this uh during the season where you might just have

918
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: to start giving Dak like that veteran day, because Dak

919
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 3: doesn't get that veteran day like Martin or like a

920
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,879
Speaker 3: DeMarcus Lawrence. But given that he's managing this, I could

921
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 3: see them starting the institute a veteran day for him,

922
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: just to make sure that he's managing that, you know,

923
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: random swordess that pops up in that ankle, because it's

924
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: it's something that he's going to have to deal with.

925
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 4: Another note yesterday, Jerry Jones, uh spoke with our crew

926
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: just before the game during the pregame shouts to everybody

927
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 4: who did our pregame Dallas Cowboys dot com.

928
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

929
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 4: Jer Jones clear up the CD narrative. His quote was,

930
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 4: I think I got in trouble the other day when

931
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 4: I said, look, we're not urgent about CD. Well, no

932
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 4: one appreciates CD being on the field more than I do.

933
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 4: I completely understand the anks that's happening. Whether you're missed

934
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 4: or not. Well, CD, you are missed.

935
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: Oh you want my take on this? Absolutely, Okay. My

936
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: take on it is Jerry realized.

937
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 4: That he may have been taking out of.

938
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 3: Will realize what's at stake here and and that and normally,

939
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: and it was actually abnormal for Jerry to walk that

940
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: back because like we were joking offline before the mic

941
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 3: and the camera went back hot Zeke who, like this

942
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 3: is this is the same owner general manager who threw

943
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: out the Zeke who line and and obviously the brains

944
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 3: truck got backed up to Ezekiel Elliott's residence not long thereafter.

945
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 3: But Jerry didn't walk that back, but he's walking this back.

946
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 3: So it was interesting to see that. But The bottom

947
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 3: line is, you know, if you look at the full quote,

948
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: then you get the full picture of what Jerry said

949
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 3: initially about Ceedee Lamb. But then also you need to

950
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 3: attach that to what Stephen Jones said and was saying

951
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 3: at the same time that Jerry was on the field talking.

952
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones said.

953
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 3: Not quote zero zero zero thoughts of Ceedee Lamb not

954
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: being a Dallas cowboy. Of course, of course he invoked

955
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 3: the franchise wording and everything on true because facts are facts.

956
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: Franchise tags possible. But as it stands, contract talks continue,

957
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 3: they're still positive. And the fact that Jerry reframed what

958
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 3: he said without doing that prior to any of the

959
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 3: other free not Freed, it's any of the other big

960
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 3: names that he was working to deal with, that tells

961
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,920
Speaker 3: you just how badly they want to get this CD

962
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: Lamb deal done.

963
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 5: Let me just say one thing. You want to say

964
00:43:54,560 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 5: more than just one thing this world. Don't even it's something.

965
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 5: Don't bring the franchise attack. I mean, we ain't get

966
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 5: the deal done this year, and no, you get this

967
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 5: franchise attack, it would be world war It's nice, but

968
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 5: peeling back further on the Curtains. I talked to Jerry

969
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 5: last Monday. He told me the same thing. We don't

970
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 5: need City out there. Don't say that. He said, don't

971
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 5: write that, and I didn't write it, and I'm only

972
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 5: saying it now publicly because of the fires. To him,

973
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 5: he said, don't write there.

974
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,399
Speaker 3: And for those that don't know, he actually did tell

975
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: me this a few days ago.

976
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 5: He said, he said, because it's a sensitive situation, and

977
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 5: don't write that. And so it's when he said that

978
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 5: public I'm like, dude, you understood, because that's the reason

979
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 5: he walked it back is because City was offended. He

980
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 5: got hurt, you know, And like I try to tell people,

981
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 5: That's why I don't get caught up into it, because

982
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 5: I'm a veteran. I've seen a million of these things.

983
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 5: Jerry's done thousands of contract negotiations for the players. It's

984
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 5: their first one, you know. As Zeke so eloquently said,

985
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 5: you know, up, we was talking about the situation for

986
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 5: your first four years of your career. They loving you,

987
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 5: loving you, love you. Now, this is the first time

988
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 5: you're on the opposite side some table with the team,

989
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 5: you know, and you're hearing some things that you you

990
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 5: have not heard before and so it's personal. And so

991
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 5: while Jerry was joking, and he was, he was clearly joking,

992
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 5: you know, because if he followed it up with we

993
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 5: asked him why you said, I don't know why he

994
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 5: just said it. And Jerry said a number of times

995
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 5: on and off the record that one benefit they want

996
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 5: see the year they want see these who doesn't Obviously

997
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 5: it takes to the tango they have come to turn.

998
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 5: But he said, one benefit of him not being years

999
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 5: that he's not gonna get hurt. You see, Hollywood Brown

1000
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 5: got hurt the preseason game, the neighbors got hurt in practice.

1001
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 5: He's not gonna get hurt. And we also get the

1002
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 5: development of those younger guys, so he pointed, and that's

1003
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 5: part of what he was talking about. The question was asked,

1004
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 5: and it has to do with the framing of the question.

1005
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 5: The question was, is there any urgency to get his

1006
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 5: CD signed to see not being here as we start

1007
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 5: the preseason? Well, the preseason has never been a monumental

1008
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 5: issue for Jerry and the Cowboys as far as CD

1009
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 5: lamb because he was never playing the games.

1010
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: Yes, so when.

1011
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 5: You when you when you frame it urgency as we

1012
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 5: start the preseason. No, it's not urgency. The precis they

1013
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 5: got nothing to do with the conversation. They got to negotiations.

1014
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 5: But it takes a life of his own when it

1015
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 5: just left out there and then CD hears it and he's,

1016
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 5: you know, he's offended and he's now taking all the

1017
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 5: cowboys off his social media. So Jerry, he's he did

1018
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 5: the right thing. Let me listen. See in case you

1019
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 5: don't understand, In case you don't know, I love you,

1020
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 5: we want you here. We just got to get the

1021
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 5: deal with that.

1022
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: Bottom line is for players, negotiations are very personal. For organizations,

1023
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 3: negotiation negotiations are absolutely not personal at all, and there's

1024
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 3: always going to be that disconnected. This was one of

1025
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: those times where ceedee lamb. It hit him right in

1026
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: the chest because it's personal and he wants to be

1027
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: out here with his guys and he's sitting there at

1028
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: home and he's like, what's the hold up? And no,

1029
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: he's not talking to his agent every single day because

1030
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 3: his agent also has other people to represent, and there

1031
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 3: may not be there have been offers exchanged recently, but

1032
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 3: it may not be an every.

1033
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: Five minute offer type thing. So their CD like what's

1034
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: going on?

1035
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,400
Speaker 3: And it gets into this the space of well do

1036
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 3: they not value me as much as I wish that

1037
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 3: they did? And then you hear the untimely comment by

1038
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 3: Jones and then it's like it triggers. So bottom line

1039
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 3: is we're talking to these coaches, we're talking to you know, ownership,

1040
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: We're talking to these players, Dak Prescott and things like that.

1041
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: And what did Dak said? Dak said, I have the urgency.

1042
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 3: The players want him here, the coaches want him here,

1043
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 3: ownership wants him here, the analysts want him here. It's

1044
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: more fun covering the team when you're here. CD, so

1045
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 3: handry your business and I look forward to you getting

1046
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: out here. That will not be a franchise tax situation

1047
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 3: and see Lamb gets his deal before the season starts.

1048
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,759
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1049
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:01,320
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1050
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,480
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1051
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,960
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1052
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,680
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1053
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,640
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1054
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,320
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1055
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1056
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