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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another Fire Drill podcast. Is Alan Shipnuk

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Speaker 1: coming from the country Club in Brookline, Massachusetts. On my

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Speaker 1: a cologne are you? Can you imagine the listenership would

424
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Speaker 1: plummet if Jeff left, We could we could lose Ryan.

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Speaker 1: But if Jeff goes we're in trouble. Um, So how

426
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Speaker 1: about John Ram, who's who's looking to defend his championship.

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Speaker 1: He's making a great run. Yeah, he's got one whole

428
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Speaker 1: left to play right now, he's in second place, one

429
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Speaker 1: one stroke at he's been a little quiet. I mean,

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Speaker 1: for even last year, there was no doubt that he

431
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Speaker 1: was the most efficient golfer in the world. He look

432
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Speaker 1: at all the numbers, all the strokes gained. He was

433
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Speaker 1: better at golf anybody else. But he only had the

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Speaker 1: one win, which was the US Open. It's a good

435
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Speaker 1: one obviously, but and of course he probably would have

436
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Speaker 1: won Amoral, but the COVID stuff knocked him out. That

437
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 1: that was a bad beat. But again, his trivial show.

438
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Speaker 1: He only won one tournament last year, even though he

439
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Speaker 1: was playing at such an incredibly high level. So it's

440
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Speaker 1: not like we're down on John Rom. But how is

441
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Speaker 1: it important it for him to pick off another big

442
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Speaker 1: win at this juncture in his career. I think it

443
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Speaker 1: would be astounding him because this golf course is so

444
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Speaker 1: different from where he won last year, Totally different grass,

445
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 1: totally different demands in terms of drivery game. I mean,

446
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Speaker 1: I think it would be really a big statement for

447
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Speaker 1: John rom to win on this little golf course, he

448
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 1: would get more credit than he's He deserves a lot

449
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Speaker 1: of credit for being a really outstanding golfer. But I

450
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Speaker 1: think it would absolutely raise him to the real elite

451
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Speaker 1: of the elite. Yeah, Jeff, your thoughts on that, Oh yeah, absolutely.

452
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Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to keep that level up. You know,

453
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Speaker 1: it's not like that's not that long since this time

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Speaker 1: last year. You know, he's kind of one of the

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Speaker 1: guys you have to pick before every one of these

456
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Speaker 1: big tournaments. But yeah, to win it on the West Coast,

457
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Speaker 1: I mean about as far geographically a part as you

458
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Speaker 1: can get in the US to win two US Opens.

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Speaker 1: As you said, different grass, but I think it. I mean,

460
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Speaker 1: he's clearly a US Open style player. It's the ball great,

461
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 1: he can hit the ball high, it's the ball miles

462
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Speaker 1: in his short game when he gets scrambling, he's incredible.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's just I think I said on the

464
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Speaker 1: TV before I was he only hit ball greens on

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Speaker 1: the front nine and was one under or something. So

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Speaker 1: that's pretty impressive. That's US Open stuff, you know, to

467
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Speaker 1: sort of weather the storm for nine holes when you're

468
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Speaker 1: not hitting that very well and sort of not too

469
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Speaker 1: too much damage, and history shows when he gets in

470
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Speaker 1: the mix he usually stays there. You know. He loves

471
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Speaker 1: the moment. The closer you get to the seventy second,

472
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Speaker 1: closer you get to the seventy second hole, the better

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Speaker 1: he is. And he has that sort of tiger like

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Speaker 1: knack to come up with really really cool stuff on

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Speaker 1: the last two or three holes. He's done it a lot,

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Speaker 1: you know, So if he gets there in the mix,

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Speaker 1: if he'd be seems to be a really hard guy

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Speaker 1: to get in front of on Sunday, you know, in

479
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Speaker 1: the last few holes. So fun to see him play. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it would be a massive feather in your cap and

481
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Speaker 1: two us opens it a road. Not many people have

482
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Speaker 1: done that, so that would be pretty amazing. Jeff, have

483
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Speaker 1: you ever played with Ron Ron? I played with him

484
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Speaker 1: a couple of times as an amateur. Actually, when Phil

485
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Speaker 1: was we played some practice rounds with Phil out there.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a while ago now. When he was

487
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Speaker 1: at ASU, he goes, this kid's going to be one

488
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Speaker 1: of the best players you've ever seen, and I thought, oh, yeah,

489
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Speaker 1: he's all right, you know, but he just got better

490
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Speaker 1: and better and better. And better and better. Also remember

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Speaker 1: at wis Brocks. I've seen him there a little bit

492
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Speaker 1: in Scottsdale. So incredibly nice man and just golf does

493
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Speaker 1: seem quite It's just such a simple way he plays,

494
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Speaker 1: you know, it just doesn't seem like there's a lot

495
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Speaker 1: that can go wrong. Yea brilliant, fantastic golfer. But he

496
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Speaker 1: runs hot like Sevey did another Spanish gulp. I mean,

497
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Speaker 1: not to reduce these people to country cliches at all,

498
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Speaker 1: but he does run hot, and that's part of his

499
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Speaker 1: greatness from what I've seen. I think, as I was

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Speaker 1: sort of saying a bit about Rory yesterday, I think

501
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Speaker 1: that's a it's an attribute if you can kind of

502
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Speaker 1: get a handle on it, you know, like to be fair.

503
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Speaker 1: I mean, Tiger was very very well, not always very

504
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Speaker 1: good at hiding it, but he sort of was running

505
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Speaker 1: pretty hot most of the time, you know, when he

506
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Speaker 1: was at his best. So it's it's just the nature

507
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Speaker 1: of sort of getting the best out of yourself, I think,

508
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Speaker 1: and he really really wants it and sometimes if you

509
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Speaker 1: if you push yourself to the aids, Like you said,

510
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Speaker 1: it's a race, I mean, it's like a race car.

511
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Speaker 1: It's like you've got to sort of risk it breaking

512
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Speaker 1: to get the most out of it. And so he

513
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Speaker 1: sort of has to risk risk the blowouts if he's

514
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Speaker 1: the mental blowouts if he's going to play his best,

515
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Speaker 1: because he obviously has to be right there and fired up.

516
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Speaker 1: And that's probably why so great in the last two

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Speaker 1: or three holes of a magic you know, Um, it's uh,

518
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Speaker 1: it's just the way some people up right and need

519
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Speaker 1: to opright. So at the risk of trafficking in stereotypes,

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Speaker 1: when I asked last year at the US Open, I

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Speaker 1: asked Paul Casey, what do you love most about John

522
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Speaker 1: Ram's game? And Casey said, Spanish hands. Imagine being a

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Speaker 1: young lad in Spain and you're in you're a terrible chipper,

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Speaker 1: and picture that was you're drenched in shave. Yeah, if

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Speaker 1: there are any there are any indeed, Jeff can I

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Speaker 1: can I ask you this because I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I don't know how widely known this is. But when

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Speaker 1: people talk about, you know, the country club takes the

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Speaker 1: driver out of hand, and you know it's not just

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Speaker 1: for bombers, and that's true. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 1: at the holes and you see their shots that they're

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Speaker 1: playing off the tee that that is an extra true fact.

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Speaker 1: But length is always an advantage period. Uh And Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you could just take that sentence and

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Speaker 1: explain why that's true to our listenership. Well, yeah, I

536
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Speaker 1: mean it's even more of an advantage. I think when

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Speaker 1: you don't have driver on every hole. I think because

538
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Speaker 1: that you can hit less club, you can safely get

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Speaker 1: it to the same place. I mean, some guys might

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Speaker 1: have to hit three would where already can hit four

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Speaker 1: on under a fairway. You know, it's just it's an

542
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Speaker 1: infinite advantage because you're always going to be hitting less.

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Speaker 1: It's always more, it's always more accurate to hit less club.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, if you have to hit a two

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty yards off it t, it's going to

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Speaker 1: be easier if you're already hit bo on than it's

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Speaker 1: for some guys hit three would. You know, it's just

548
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Speaker 1: going to be a straighter club to hit. And also,

549
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Speaker 1: length generally is power, and power lets you create more spin,

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Speaker 1: you can hit the ball higher, you can get the

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Speaker 1: ball out of the rough more. It's just never not

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Speaker 1: going to be an advantage. It's like having power in

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Speaker 1: your car. Even if you don't use it. It's still

554
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Speaker 1: an advantage to have power in your car. It's the

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Speaker 1: same when you play golf, even if you're hitting it

556
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Speaker 1: to the same places if you're hitting less if you

557
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Speaker 1: can hit less club to the same places, or you

558
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Speaker 1: can hit it easy, you don't have to hit it

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Speaker 1: quite as hard, or it's a little bit more under control.

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Speaker 1: It's just a little bit easier to do. That always

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Speaker 1: an advantage. Never, never not the shorter In fact, it

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Speaker 1: been length. It's probably more of an advantage on a

563
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Speaker 1: shorter course than it is on a longer course. Sometimes

564
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Speaker 1: because of that, you can hit less clubs everywhere, and

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00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 1: you can, as I said, you can generally spin the

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Speaker 1: ball really well and hit the ball higher. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just power is an advantage. I mean it's not

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Speaker 1: you can beat power if you're really good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Colin can beat John Rome this weekend without even thinking

570
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Speaker 1: about it, while he's proof that he can. But there's

571
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Speaker 1: still it's still just easier to hit less club you know,

572
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Speaker 1: from the same spot. It just is always going to

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Speaker 1: be Yeah and Jeff along on those same lines. How

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Speaker 1: about when you have enormous leg strength like John Ram

575
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Speaker 1: has and like you know, Nicholas certainly had and other

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Speaker 1: greats through the years. The ordinary fan wouldn't think of

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Speaker 1: that being an advantage in one's putting game, but it

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Speaker 1: is very leg strength really is an advantage in the

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Speaker 1: And again I'm wondering if you might be able to

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Speaker 1: explain why why that is. I've never actually really thought

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Speaker 1: about it, but it would be for sure. I mean,

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Speaker 1: just the more stable you are, for one of them,

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Speaker 1: me and John Rahman, Jack Nicholas, with all the affection

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Speaker 1: in the world. Bottom heavy golfers, um, but in a

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Speaker 1: good way. I mean all the great golfers, Trevino, not

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Speaker 1: all the great of a lot of them. If you

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Speaker 1: actually look back at Jones and Snead and they all

588
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: sort of got bigger down load, you know. And I

589
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Speaker 1: think that's because the great great golf swings are using

590
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Speaker 1: their legs a lot, and they just as they grow up,

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00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: they're using their legs so much that they just get

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Speaker 1: bigger and bigger and bigger in that area because that's

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Speaker 1: where they need to be strong. But yeah, and the

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Speaker 1: pudding game, just the more stable you can be and

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Speaker 1: the less you move around, I think clearly, and putting

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Speaker 1: it's clearly less of a less of an advantage that

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Speaker 1: it is in the long game, you know. I mean

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00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: there's some pretty good skinny leg putters around, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: the leg strength is just going to be in a

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Speaker 1: h It's a bit like length as a golfer, it's

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Speaker 1: just probably always going to be an advantage leg strength,

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Speaker 1: especially core sort of in the bomb gloats Hips area.

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00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: Most really long term great golfers have been big and

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Speaker 1: strong in that area. So it's clearly an advantage. Yea.

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Speaker 1: And even with Carrie Webb, you see it, even when

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Speaker 1: when Anica got big and strong sack. So that's a

607
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: great example. She looks so solid over the ball, every

608
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: shot right through the back, including the putter. Yeah, well

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Speaker 1: this is not going to impress Jeff. But I did

610
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Speaker 1: win the putting competition with the Uncle Tony Invitational back

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Speaker 1: to back of years, and one competitor complained that because

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Speaker 1: I have size thirteen feet, I had two touches of advantage.

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00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: I was so stable over the ball and he wanted

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Speaker 1: me to have to put barefoot when I was going

615
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Speaker 1: for a three peet, but I fended that off. But

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Speaker 1: it was, as you're saying, Michael, you know we've left

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Speaker 1: out of these conversations. Who's really protetypical? But Gary Woodland

618
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: he looks like he's not going anywhere, you know, when

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Speaker 1: he's over those putts. Baby got back for sure, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I heard a great sound ter day, Gary Woodland walking

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Speaker 1: down a brick path. You can guess why. It's the

622
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: best noise in golfers. It was so rare. Everyone's like

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Speaker 1: him and are looking or whoever. I was with Bill

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Speaker 1: Pennington from the Times. Wow, that's a great sound. I

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00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: missed that sound. I mean, it's I know, it's so

626
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: much better for the greens and the surfaces, so much better.

627
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Speaker 1: But I don't know if I wouldn't be happy to

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Speaker 1: just go back and hear that, especially the old leather,

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00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: so old classics and stuff. They just sounded so amazing

630
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Speaker 1: walking out walking to the clubhouse and you hear it

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Speaker 1: the two is the only place you ever hear it anymore,

632
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: and you hear the odd guy doing it. It's yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the kids these days probably think it's ridiculous

634
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Speaker 1: that guys wear those things, and they don't understand. They

635
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Speaker 1: don't have the romance. But there's nothing like sparks walking

636
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: through a parking What kind of shoes are you sounding gold?

637
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: What kind of shoes were you wearing when you won?

638
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: I had sparkes at Wingfoot, Yeah, I varied, I alternated.

639
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: I have generally up to about there. I was always

640
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: wearing spikes most of the time, sort of. I was

641
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: wearing soft spikes sort of after that sort of era.

642
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,239
Speaker 1: And the shoes are so good and so comfortable now,

643
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: and they've they've sort of kind of worked out the

644
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: soft spikes traction thing pretty well. But I always wore

645
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: metal spikes at the Masters, the side slopes and greasy

646
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: mostly for the second shot on thirteen actually bore away

647
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: above my feet. I used to get the chef like

648
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: going there pretty regularly on my second shot there, and

649
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: it freaked me out. So I'd wear metal spikes for

650
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: the second shot on thirteen. I don't go generally, but

651
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: that was towards the end that was the only place

652
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: I'd wear it. It's wild everything we've done in our

653
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: journalistic careers, Michael has brought us this moment to listen

654
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: to you and Jeff blacked poetic about metal spikes on

655
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 1: a parking lot that there's nothing I've never been happier

656
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: in my entire life? Can I ask one last shoe question?

657
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: This already begins with your size thirteen shoe. Had you

658
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: not started there, we probably wouldn't go into the spot. Jeff,

659
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: this may precede you're involving in the game, but your

660
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: parents and Adam Scott's and others might have had it.

661
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: There was sometimes a leather covering of the laces. Do

662
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm referring to the flap side of

663
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: the laces, the flaps over the laces. I look ridiculous,

664
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 1: but that was so good. Do you know what that?

665
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: You know? There's a term you had him? Oh yeahs

666
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: to stop the water getting in your licenses like it

667
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: was because that was the vulnerable spot in your shoes.

668
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,719
Speaker 1: So you're walking through the rockets, it protected uh, your

669
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: shoe from getting water in there. Alan, do you think

670
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: there's anybody in this press tent who's going to use

671
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: the word vulnerable better than Jeff Ogilvy just did. Yeah,

672
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: in the context of their word, I stand in awe,

673
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: but I'll really stand it off. You know the answer

674
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: to the following question, do you know that the flap

675
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: as you say, which is the perfect word, but there

676
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: is a term of golf for that flap. Do you

677
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: know it? Um, I'm sure you'll remind me. I've heard.

678
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: Is it quilty? Oh, he's good. Is it kilt? I'm

679
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: Surelie heard it from you, so I would. I kind

680
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: of got the answers from the teacher. But this is

681
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: a long time ago. Yeah, I use that word in

682
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: a long time because it looks like a little kilt skirt. Yeah,

683
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: I can see that, speak of which. I saw a

684
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: crunshot today and we talked about him. Where he was.

685
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: He was playing your field and a kilt and and

686
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: his caddy was carrying his bag without clubs. And his

687
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: caddy was Herb Wind. He was playing with hickory shafted

688
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: clubs for some reason. Herb was cadding for and you

689
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: had to laugh about that. It was funny. But he

690
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: had one club and had about six clubs. Yeah, so

691
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: it was there was a few clubs in the bag,

692
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: but there was no bag. Herb just had him in here.

693
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: I see. I couldn't even understand. It was like when

694
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: I played Peter. Hey, you know I've got like three wedges. Yeah,

695
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, that's funny. Um, all right, last

696
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: thing and then we'll end this very Breezy Um podcast.

697
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: To me, one of the underlying issues in the highest

698
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: level of the game is who is the best golfer

699
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: in the world right now? You can make a case

700
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: for Mari Kawa, especially if wins here, that might end

701
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: the debate. But GT with his second major, Ram has

702
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: got all the strokes, game numbers. Scheffler has been on

703
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: this heater. Rory often looks like the best player, but

704
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: then he kind of stumbles at times. You know, Dustin

705
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: used to be in the conversation. He's fallen off a

706
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: little bit. But put your guys on the spot. Who

707
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: is the best golf in the world right now this moment? Jeff,

708
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: I don't think does it matter you say this? It's

709
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: an issue, like does it really matter? Isn't this unbelievable

710
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: that we've got this many good players? Like I think

711
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: right now as it stands, I mean probably Rory and

712
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: Rory probably because the last week and he's one behind

713
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: and on the leaderboard, but it changes weekly. We're used

714
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: to having guys being number one in the world. I mean,

715
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: we had Greg for ten years and then we had

716
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: Tiger for twenty years, and we kind of got it.

717
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: Made you guys lazy. You have to go and sort

718
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: of do something work now and workout who's the best.

719
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: It's going to change, it changes week to week. I mean,

720
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 1: Scottie clearly was the best goal from the world the

721
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: first four months of the year, but not even close.

722
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: You know, m Dustin said his turn. I mean John's

723
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: had his turn, like it's it's JT's Clearly. When I

724
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 1: say JT play up close, I'm like, it's amazing to

725
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: me that anyone can beat that guy. So I just

726
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: think it's, um, it's a bit more fluid than it's

727
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: ever been. We've never had this many people capable of

728
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: meting number one, have we? At the same time, it's incredible. Yeah, well,

729
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: a couple things I'd like to respond to there, Jeff,

730
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it matters, but none of this matters

731
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: is we're having fun and something to talk about. Secondly,

732
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: did you did you note that embedded in that answer

733
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: was another critique of how we do our job's calling

734
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: us lazy. I mean, yesterday both Ryan and Jeff were

735
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: on our ass about, you know, turn into like a

736
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: media criticism podcast. I would just I would just criticize

737
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: the the golf media again in general. You were the

738
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: only person interviewing mister Hardy. No, no, the questions that

739
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Hayden Buckley was just asked or like like the guy

740
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: just walked it off the street. I mean, was an

741
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: All American at Missouri one on the corn Ferry tour

742
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: and they're like, and you spell your name with a

743
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 1: why why? Anyway, Ryan French back on the podcast, still

744
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: spitting fire. We were just about to end it. I

745
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: think we're still gonna end it. But do you have

746
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: an insight you can share with us from Yon Buckley's

747
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 1: gonna win the US Open. You said it on the

748
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: way out, so I'm not saying it. I've talked to

749
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: him just now. I'm one hundred percent confitent. Now, okay,

750
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: you give us one reason why besides your fantastical you know, desires. So, Hayden,

751
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: the story I told one phone call his Corn Ferry

752
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 1: win was he was first alternate Thursday morning on the range.

753
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if Jeff's ever been a first alternate

754
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: in a PGA Tour event or corn Ferry, but Jeff

755
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: knows enough to know what that is like. And a

756
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: guy slammed his hand in the door and he got

757
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: into the event. Truth. I broke the story that the

758
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: guy slammed his hand in the door and he went

759
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: on to win that week. That's awesome. He's supposed to

760
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: He's only in Canada. It's like some travel nightmares. Barely

761
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: got there. It's like all the times, and this time

762
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: he won a five whole playoff. It's like, it's kind

763
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: of the stars are aligning. Okay, I like it. We

764
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 1: were just talking about who's the who's the best golf

765
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: in the world right now? And um, Michael, what's your

766
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: answer to that? You know, I'm really I'm right right

767
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: with with Jeff. If Scottie Shuffler wins, of course he's

768
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: the answer. But you know, over the last five years,

769
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: I guess Rory or Dustin Johnson's the answer is. I'm

770
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 1: more likely to just enjoy the fact I have so

771
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: many good golfers at the moment. Of course, if more

772
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: Cowho wins, he would be the answer. But it's just

773
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 1: neat to see so many good players playing good golf

774
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: at the same time. All Right, I'm gonna say, JT,

775
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: do you want do you want to weigh in who's

776
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: the best golfer in the world? Don't don't watch them

777
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: don't watch the top guys. That's such a good answer.

778
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: All right, Well, uh, this is like you know, Sein

779
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: felt the end. This is a podcast about nothing, and

780
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: yet it was it was quite entertaining. So uh, any

781
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: any parting thoughts for now, It's just I think what

782
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: I think what Ryan just said about. You know, whoever

783
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: is going to win this thing. You know, if it's

784
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: not a big name that that we're so familiar with,

785
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: and that happens, you know, Scott Simpsons won and Steve

786
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: Jones's won, and guys win that you don't really know

787
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: that well, but it really it's when it happens at

788
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: a US Open it's especially great because it just reminds

789
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: you this thing really is a dream machine. I'm just

790
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: as a quick side note, I only learned this recently.

791
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: Fewer than twenty thousand people have played Major League Baseball.

792
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: Hundreds of millions of people have had the dream at

793
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: some moment. You know, maybe not hundreds of millions, but

794
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: millions of millions have had the dreaming they're going to

795
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: play it. And that's really what this US Opened, or

796
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: any British Open for that matter, Open championship is really

797
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: all about. It's it's about to dream of the odds

798
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 1: of Jeff Ogilvie growing up, or Scott Simpson or anybody

799
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: else growing up and getting good enough at the game

800
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: to Winnie's US Open. It's astronomical. If you look at

801
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: like I was looking at Billy Andreate's record today, to

802
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: play twenty or thirty major championships, it's astounding because there

803
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: are millions of people would love to do it, and

804
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: so if you do it, so it's just it's neat

805
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: being at a national Open, whether it's a British Open

806
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: or US Open. And I thank Ryan for getting us

807
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: back in touch with the dream machine part of it,

808
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: inside a machine, just the dream of it all. That's

809
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: the end of the podcast right there. That was quite elegant.

810
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,280
Speaker 1: We can't top that. I have to know why. Thank you, Michael.

811
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. It's very awesome. Also, I have to

812
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: know why you were thirteen Billy andreates playing career today.

813
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: As we say in AUGUSTA appreciate you. We're supposed to

814
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 1: thank power Point power points. Appreciate power points. Yeah, we appreciate,

815
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Did you get it all that up? No?

816
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: Don't Yeah, don't edit that up? Fu fuck it, we'll

817
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: do it live. We'll do it live. Jeff. Have you

818
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: ever met Jeff? I'm sure you have. Bill of Paine

819
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: pain pain. What do you call him when you see him?

820
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 1: Came Paine? You called chairman? What do you call him?

821
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: I bumped into him at the lounge at Lax Airport

822
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: one day and said, I hate Billy, it's Jeff. How

823
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: are you going? And I thought afterwards I regretted. I'm like, oh,

824
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: when am I supposed to say? You missed the chairman anymore? No,

825
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: you're not absolutely respectful. Yeah, but did you say why

826
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: are you're not Why are you're not playing private? I mean,

827
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: come on, you know a lot of bris. What's you said?

828
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: We were comparing good, comparing states. Yeah, we was drinking

829
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: nice wine, I guess in the lounge. Yeah, he was great.

830
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: Who'd you who'd you play with? That cypress point? That

831
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 1: day at the nineteen US Open, I played with Steve Jones,

832
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: who's fantastic? Um, well, Cambo huh and someone else. It

833
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: was a bit of a shame. The best part about

834
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: that day was sitting on the first tea and you

835
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: said you were there so you might remember this, but no,

836
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: it was maybe Jack and Jack and Tom and that

837
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: like hitting off Watson hitting off the first day and

838
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: Trevino was chirping him. Yeah, just didn't shut up, and

839
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: it was like forty years ago and Trevino is just

840
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: flapping off on the tea, just getting into Watson and

841
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: Nicholas and all that. On the first day, it was

842
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: just like, this is just the best thing I've ever seen.

843
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: I've got to just sat there all day and listen

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Speaker 1: to Trevino sort of give Nicholas and Tom Watson ship.

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Speaker 1: It was fantastic, just the best. That was great. Steve

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Speaker 1: Jones said a funky grip, didn't he Yeah, very yeah

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Speaker 1: he didn't. He have a finger accident or something. He

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Speaker 1: left hand or something. Yeah, we need to Oh sorry, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: I apologize. We need to think Part Points. I mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're trying to make art here and all

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Speaker 1: you care about is the commerce. Yeah, I apologize, Jedi.

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Speaker 1: Thank I cut off a Steve Jones finger broken story.

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Speaker 1: But we do need to thank Part Points. A great app.

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Speaker 1: Should download it a new way to score. It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: I love it. It's great for the whole family. If

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Speaker 1: you take out different skill levels and all sorts of things,

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Speaker 1: it's really cool download part points. All right, fabulous. Well

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Speaker 1: we're not going to end the podcasts seven minutes after

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Speaker 1: I tried to end it, but that was fun. I

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Speaker 1: like the digressions. There's been another fire drill. It's Friday

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Speaker 1: at the US. Wouldn't we do this again the next

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Speaker 1: couple of rounds? And thanks for listening. Everything we do

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Speaker 1: we do for you the listener. Not to be pretentious,

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Speaker 1: but we wouldn't exist without all you guys, So thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Jeff, thanks for coming all the way

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Speaker 1: from Melbourne. For Michael Bamberger, Ryan French, I'm Alan SHIPNUK

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Speaker 1: and we're back at it tomorrow. Thanks put another log

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