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Speaker 1: Good evening, America. Welcome to the Friday edition of Justin News,

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Speaker 1: News tumbling Go check that out. All right, it is Friday.

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Speaker 1: It's been a blizzard of a week of activity down

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Speaker 1: in mar Lago. President Trump appointing more than half of

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Speaker 1: his cabinet already today some more announcements. Doug Bergham is

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Speaker 1: going to be not only the Interior Secretary, but also

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Speaker 1: the Energies are quarterbacking all of the government's energy strategies.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about.

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Speaker 1: One that isn't yet ready to be appointed, but I

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Speaker 1: think could become one of the most important FBI director

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Speaker 1: right now. Chris Ray hasn't resigned. He still has three

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Speaker 1: years on his term. He wouldn't have to give it

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Speaker 1: up until twenty seventeen. President Trump could fire him, he

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Speaker 1: could leave after the first year. We'll see. But we

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Speaker 1: have increasing fresh evidence almost every day of the sort

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Speaker 1: of problems, resistance and corruption that exists in the FBI.

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Speaker 3: Justin News has confirmed.

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Speaker 1: You may have seen the story trending on Twitter that

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Speaker 1: the cell phone companies in America have told Congress, specifically

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Speaker 1: Chairman Barry the Lottomok of the House Administration Subcommittee and Oversight,

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Speaker 1: that they gave the FBI completely normalized phone data, no

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Speaker 1: corruptions of the data whatsoever, to help them find the

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Speaker 1: January six pipe bombers. The person who left those two

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Speaker 1: BI bombs. The FBI has testified that the data that

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Speaker 1: came to them was corrupt to the telephone companies of

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Speaker 1: now tell Congress that.

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Speaker 3: Is simply not true.

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Speaker 1: One has to ask yourself, why would the FBI not

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Speaker 1: want to figure out who planted those bombs and why

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Speaker 1: would they give Congress a potentially bogus story. Next week

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Speaker 1: we're going to get German Barry Loudi milk. But it

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Speaker 1: reminds us that if the FBI director opens up, that

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Speaker 1: is going to be one of the most important and

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Speaker 1: toughest jobs for cleaning out an agency.

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Speaker 3: Has a lot of problems.

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Speaker 1: Let me bring in my amazing co Samanda Head, as

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Speaker 1: we do every time at this point in the show, Manda,

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Speaker 1: great to see a happy Friday.

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Speaker 3: What else is on your radar?

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Speaker 4: Happy Friday reactions from the media to President Trump's nominees, That's.

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Speaker 5: What I have on my radar.

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Speaker 4: Great to be here with you tonight, John. We are

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Speaker 4: so close to being done with a very consequential week

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Speaker 4: for America, and the news was flying fast and furious

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Speaker 4: these last few days about all of President Trump's cabinet

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Speaker 4: picks for his second stint in the White House. It

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Speaker 4: was like a Trump Advent calendar. And let me just

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Speaker 4: tell you, while most on the right were pretty happy

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Speaker 4: with them, a lot of people in the mainstream media

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Speaker 4: on the left, predictably, we're not for me personally, the

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Speaker 5: Seem to be making all the right people mad. But

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Speaker 5: I'm just going to let you be the judge.

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Speaker 4: So first, let's take a look at the reaction to

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Speaker 5: Nominated for Attorney General.

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Speaker 4: Here's former Deputy director of the FBI Andrew McCabe speaking

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Speaker 6: Now, Matt Gates is obviously wholly unqualified for this job.

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Speaker 6: He's someone who, I mean, quite frankly, couldn't get hired

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Speaker 6: in that, which I'm sure he never was. He is

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Speaker 6: singularly a disruptor. He is someone who's been selected because

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Speaker 6: of his interest and desire to go into the organization

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Speaker 6: and tear things apart, you know, likely get rid of people,

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Speaker 4: So Andy, I think that that's why the American people

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Speaker 4: hired Donald Trump, so that.

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Speaker 5: He could hire people like that.

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Speaker 4: But anyway, then we have Tulsea Gabbard as Director of

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Speaker 4: National Intelligence. Now a lot of people are upset about

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Speaker 4: that too, especially those fifty one until Eligence officials who

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Speaker 4: the Tulsi Gabbard pick. Here's one of those aforementioned fifty

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Speaker 7: Explaining why clearly Tulsea Gabbert has taken actions and made

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Speaker 4: And frankly, when it comes to John Brennan, that fifty one.

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Speaker 5: Intelligence letter was just the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 4: So we can't really trust anything that John Brennan has

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Speaker 5: And then we have OURFK Junior.

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Speaker 4: We've had everyone from politicians to see in an anchor's

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Speaker 4: upset over that, and why Well, it's because there is

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Speaker 4: They are very different from what we have had in

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Speaker 4: the past, and that's probably a good thing. So John,

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Speaker 4: let's get it back over to you to introduce our

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Speaker 4: first guest, someone who else has been a trailblazer in

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Speaker 3: He sure has, and it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I was at the Latin Grammy Award last night in Miami,

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Speaker 1: and I was talking to a lot of the folks

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Speaker 1: about the Justice departments, a very big issue for them.

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Speaker 1: Will there be VISA reform something that Latinos were very

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Speaker 1: concerned about that I talked about last night. Will there

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Speaker 1: be a new FBI director? Will there's an era of

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Speaker 1: weaponization come to an end? Well, we're pretty lucky. A

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Speaker 1: little bit ago, Amanda to talk to the chairman of

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Speaker 3: Jim Jordan was with us. Take a watch all right,

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Speaker 3: joining us right now.

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Speaker 1: A champion of liberty, a champion of great oversight, a

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Speaker 1: champion of the truth. The Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee,

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan, it's a chairman.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you back on the show.

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Speaker 8: Good do with you guys, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: And exciting two years ahead in all Republican majority of

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Speaker 1: But I want to start with something that's going on now.

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Speaker 1: It seems like the last few weeks of the Biden

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Speaker 1: like new weaponization going on. Can you bring us up

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Speaker 9: Well, yeah, we're always concerned.

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Speaker 8: I mean, this pattern of turning these agencies on the

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Speaker 8: very people that are supposed to serve we the people,

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Speaker 8: the taxpayers, has been a concern from the get go.

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Speaker 8: But yeah, we're concerned now with what they may be

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Speaker 8: they're heading out the door. Of course, right prior to

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Speaker 8: Justice Department going after Virginia for simply keeping non citizens

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Speaker 8: same thing in Ohio. Our Secretary of State was sent

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Speaker 8: a letter three weeks before election day saying they were

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Speaker 8: always concerned about this. We're going to keep working. It's

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Speaker 8: why it's frankly, it's slightly different, but it's why we

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Speaker 8: sent the letter to Jack Smith, preserve all information. We

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Speaker 8: want to know what these guys have been up to,

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Speaker 8: and you do that so that it doesn't continue to happen,

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Speaker 4: It's so important, mister Chairman, with respect to a number

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Speaker 4: them to Jack Smith and others with risk requests to

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Speaker 4: with respect to the requests to preserve documents inauguration a

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Speaker 4: couple months out if if there is any intent to

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Speaker 8: Anything, well that's why I put them on notice. Preserve

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Speaker 8: everything and understand the Congress. The history is that Congress

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Speaker 8: oversees these special counsels. You can go back just a

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Speaker 9: We got the report, of course, you know.

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Speaker 8: More recently it's been John Durham, it's been Robert Hurr

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Speaker 8: no more prosecution, They're going to go away. That's why

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Speaker 8: we ask them to preserve things. And then specifically with

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Speaker 8: have concerns about mister Bratt. What were his conversations with

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Speaker 9: The White House.

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Speaker 8: We want to know if in fact that happened, who

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Speaker 8: We thought you were interested in this judge position as

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Speaker 8: almost his veiled threat. So we think all that is

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Speaker 8: worthy of us getting information on and making sure again

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Speaker 8: this kind of stuff doesn't not supposed to happen, shouldn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So Chairman, can I follow up because as we

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Speaker 5: To the January sixth Committee.

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Speaker 4: They were told to preserve documents, but they you know,

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Speaker 4: there's been a there's.

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Speaker 5: A pension for destruction. What would happen if.

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Speaker 9: They did well?

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Speaker 8: I mean, it'd be up to the new Justice Department,

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Speaker 8: in the new Attorney General. You know, if they willingly,

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Speaker 8: then that's a problem. But it'll still be up to

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Speaker 8: the Justice Department if they pursue that. So again, putting

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Speaker 8: well notices step one.

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Speaker 9: That's why we did it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so important, sir.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about a vice

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Speaker 1: of reform. You have been a champion of first showing

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Speaker 1: just how systemically it was abused in the FBI and

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Speaker 3: Is this the moment where we're going to see some changes? Man?

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Speaker 9: I hope so. John.

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Speaker 8: For goodness sake, maybe get some answers to those questions.

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Speaker 4: To squeeze in one more question with RFK. At the

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Speaker 9: Think about it.

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Speaker 8: You can't make this stuff up. That's how crazy the

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Speaker 8: What impact that may or may not have on pharmaceutical companies.

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Speaker 3: I love that freedom gets bigger.

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Speaker 1: That's probably the bumper sticker for the next four years,

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Speaker 9: We'll same to you guys.

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Speaker 8: You guys, you've been out there doing the doing journalism

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to just the news, no noise.

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Speaker 4: Perhaps the biggest issue this election cycle was the southern border,

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Speaker 5: Art, great to see.

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Speaker 11: My friend, Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 11: And you know what, from being out there and seeing my.

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Speaker 12: money as possible before the new administration takes over.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing.

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Speaker 4: All right, I want to ask you about the flow

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Speaker 4: that feeds those people coming across the border and therefore

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Speaker 4: makes money for the cartels. With President Trump winning the election,

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Speaker 4: are there people who are coming from further countries, places

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Speaker 4: where it would be a month's long journey, who are

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Speaker 4: deciding not to even embark because they won't get here

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Speaker 4: in time. So at least we're just dealing with the

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Speaker 4: flow of people who are already south.

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Speaker 9: Of the border.

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Speaker 12: So look, this administration, they themselves have been opened DHS

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Speaker 12: has been opened that under the current last four years,

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Speaker 12: they've arrested people from one hundred and sixty eight different countries.

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Speaker 12: That is pretty much from all over the world. But

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Speaker 12: you are going to see the numbers drop from other

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Speaker 12: outside countries.

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Speaker 11: And it is because of that.

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Speaker 12: Because right now, in order to get out here, it

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Speaker 12: would take longer for them to get to those areas

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Speaker 12: of the border. So I suspect that is going to happen.

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Speaker 12: At least that's what happened last time that President Trump won.

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Speaker 12: You got to remember when President Trump won in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 12: the numbers went down just with Rederick alone. He hadn't

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Speaker 12: even pushed any policies at that point, and so I

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Speaker 12: believe you'll see that. But unfortunately, the groups that you

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Speaker 12: are seeing come across. Since the cartels are going to

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Speaker 12: be in charge and have been in charge, they're going

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Speaker 12: to be able to send big groups in one spot

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Speaker 12: because they know it sends agents there. Their big push

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Speaker 12: right now has been heroin, methan fhetamines, and fetnyl.

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Speaker 3: What a challenge, sir.

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Speaker 1: I know that's a pretty clear plan once Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: gets in. He's been clear about it. We're going to

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Speaker 1: build that wall, We're going to return remain in Mexico.

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Speaker 1: We're going to deport all the people that came here.

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Speaker 1: There's one challenge I think that the administration is going

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Speaker 1: to face. That is there is a new Mexican president

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Speaker 1: from the last time President Trump was in. If he

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem to want to cooperate too much on the border,

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Speaker 1: tell us what you know about the Mexican president and

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Speaker 1: what the prospects are for getting Mexicans cooperation for this

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Speaker 1: very important operation to Claire America of all of our

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Speaker 1: legal aliens.

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Speaker 12: So the current president of Mexico, they come from the

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Speaker 12: same political party as the one that was there previously.

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Speaker 11: So I think you know President Trump.

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Speaker 12: President Trump was able to convince and say and do

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Speaker 12: the right things for the last administration down in Mexico

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Speaker 12: to cooperate. Obviously, he's not the president yet, but I

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Speaker 12: seriously suspect that once he is in office, they're going

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Speaker 12: to reconsider and they're going to be a lot more

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Speaker 12: helpful than they say they're going to be.

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Speaker 3: That sounds about life to me.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, as you talk to border patrol agents as they

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Speaker 13: are patrolling the border, we all know what happened to

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Speaker 13: a lot of the materials that were left at the

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Speaker 13: border that was supposed to be used to make.

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Speaker 4: To build the wall. Are you are you still seeing

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Speaker 4: those materials? Have they been hauled off? I assume that

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Speaker 4: most of them have decayed? Are there any that are

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Speaker 4: salvageable that can be used for the Trump border wall?

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Speaker 5: Two point zero?

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Speaker 12: So I think that is the most fantastic question I've

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Speaker 12: been asking quite some.

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Speaker 11: Times, so I appreciate you asking it.

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Speaker 12: Unfortunately, what I've been seeing, and you know, it took

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Speaker 12: other individuals to show me. I wasn't even aware of

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Speaker 12: it. It was it was friends outside, not having anything to

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Speaker 12: do with dhest. It showed me some of that material

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Speaker 12: had been auctioned off. They were auctioning off a lot

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Speaker 12: of that material out of very cheap price just a

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Speaker 12: couple of months ago. So I'm not sure where the

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Speaker 12: material is and how much material they have left or

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Speaker 12: how much they actually already auctioned off and was purchased

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Speaker 12: by other people.

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Speaker 3: Amazing a terrible loss.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's that's horrible.

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Speaker 3: It is. That's terrible for them to taxpayer.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask a little bit about the efforts

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Speaker 1: to get migration legal migrants going and out of the

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Speaker 1: country on outward bound path. I assume right now there's

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Speaker 1: probably an effort underway to find detention center locations, extra

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Speaker 1: space so we can accelerate the process. Do you have

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Speaker 1: any visibility into what's going on there.

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Speaker 12: I haven't seen exactly what they're doing, but would I

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Speaker 12: have been calling out, not in a bad way, but

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Speaker 12: you know, there's a lot of individuals that have been

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Speaker 12: very up spoken about the issues at the border, particularly

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Speaker 12: you know, other law enforcement agencies within the border itself,

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Speaker 12: near the communities, and I think it's time to put

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Speaker 12: it all on effort, and perhaps some of that effort

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Speaker 12: is going to be for some of these local sheriffs,

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Speaker 12: local agencies that have been upset over the flow that's

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Speaker 12: been coming around.

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Speaker 11: Is to actually, you know.

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Speaker 12: Be able to use their facilities, put their facilities ease

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Speaker 12: up and say, hey, you know, you're welcome to use

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Speaker 12: some of our facilities in order to alleviate I know

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Speaker 12: there's got to be some money back and forth that

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Speaker 12: they're probably going to want to charge the federal government.

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Speaker 12: But you know, again to borrow an old line, you know,

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Speaker 12: ask not what your country can do for you, ask

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Speaker 12: what you can do for your country.

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Speaker 11: And I think now's the time to prove that.

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Speaker 12: And you know, using some of those detention facilities is

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Speaker 12: going to be extremely helpful.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right before we let you go, do you anticipate

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Speaker 4: that as soon as President Trump takes his hand off

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Speaker 4: the Bible at high noon on January twentieth heads to

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Speaker 4: the White House, that you guys are going to get

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Speaker 4: an immediate memo that says, shut the border down. And

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Speaker 4: how does how long would it take you to effectively

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Speaker 4: fortify that. I know you've got to have extra men

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Speaker 4: and women people there to fortify it, but how do

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Speaker 4: you anticipate that happening on January twentieth?

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Speaker 5: And how long will it take the seale of up?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 12: Absolutely, you know it's going to take a policy change

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Speaker 12: right away, and he's just I think the easiest thing

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Speaker 12: to be done at that point is say look, no

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Speaker 12: more catching or lease. From now on, every individual that

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Speaker 12: you detained, you have to detain them, show that they

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Speaker 12: actually have a group assylum before you release him. And

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Speaker 12: I think that's what's going to lower the number once

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Speaker 12: his talk. You take away that incentive and you tell people, hey,

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Speaker 12: you can't come ask for us time and get released.

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Speaker 12: You're gonna have to be detained. That is going to

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Speaker 12: drop the numbers tremendously. And then it's going to allow

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Speaker 12: law enforcement and other agencies to try to go in

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Speaker 12: different places and find out those that decided to circumvent

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Speaker 12: the law and avoided apprehension, or those that avoided going

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Speaker 12: to their immigration cort. But I think it's going to

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Speaker 12: be that easy. It will be with a stroke of

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Speaker 12: a pen and say look, no more catch and release.

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Speaker 11: That gets rid of the incentive magic of the terrence.

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Speaker 4: Right like when dad comes home. Dad's mad, So you

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Speaker 4: better shape up. Parquato National Ward Patrol Council Vice President.

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Speaker 5: Always a pleasure having you with us.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for being thank you, thank you for a thank

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Speaker 3: you guard, Thank you.

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Speaker 5: All right, everybody coming up.

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Speaker 4: We've got Congressman Randy web from the great state of Texas.

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Speaker 5: He's going to be joining us, and you don't want

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Speaker 5: to miss us.

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Speaker 2: To stay right here, Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: A couple of years ago, I got a chance to

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Speaker 1: go down to Texas for a couple speaking engagements. I

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Speaker 1: was in the crowd for one of these events, and

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Speaker 1: our next guest spoke. He wowed them with his common

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Speaker 1: sense and also his extraordinary command of border policy. Joining

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Speaker 1: us right now from the great state of Texas, Congressman

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Speaker 1: Randy Webber, Congressman.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you back on the show.

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Speaker 10: Great to be here. Thank y'all.

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Speaker 3: All right, let's start off.

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Speaker 1: We just had a great conversation with the Border Patrol

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Speaker 1: Agency union. They're excited they know a new sheriff is

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Speaker 1: in town. How important is it that the border will

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Speaker 1: be going in all the illegal immigration will be going

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Speaker 1: in reverse pretty soon. What does it mean for the

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Speaker 1: people in Texas who suffered so much.

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Speaker 14: Well, it's extremely important. John's great question. And one thing

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Speaker 14: I didn't mention. I was also on the Public Education

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Speaker 14: Committee for all four years, and I was in the legislature,

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Speaker 14: my beautiful ride of forty eight years. I taught fourth

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Speaker 14: grade twenty seven years, so I've read eight slipt education,

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Speaker 14: public education. Why do I say that kindergarten through twelve

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Speaker 14: three hundred thousand illegals across the Texas border last year.

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Speaker 14: In one month, if twenty percent of them were in

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Speaker 14: kindergarten through twelfth great age, that's sixty thousand kids. Somebody

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Speaker 14: has to pay to educate. Guess who that somebody is.

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Speaker 14: It's the American people. And then fast forward that job

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Speaker 14: over the healthcare situation where they go into these clinics,

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Speaker 14: these county hospital, mergenery rooms. They can't afford to pay

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Speaker 14: our great mill our great medical person are going to

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Speaker 14: take care of them.

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Speaker 10: They're going to have to get paid for their services.

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Speaker 10: The building has to be.

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Speaker 14: Financed, so medical help, medical care is going to go up.

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Speaker 10: Again.

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Speaker 14: Guess who's going to pay that. It's Americans. We cannot

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Speaker 14: afford to be the charity for the world.

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Speaker 4: That's right, and I think that's why President Trump was

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Speaker 4: so successful with the America First agenda. We want to

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Speaker 4: help other countries, but we have to put our people first. Congressman,

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you about some of the outside

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Speaker 4: of the box ideas I've heard floating around from Republicans

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Speaker 4: about how you can actually pay for deportation operations, especially

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Speaker 4: for terrorists, the ones that they need to prioritize. And

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Speaker 4: one of the ideas I heard was taxing maybe to

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Speaker 4: a greater degree. You know Western Union transfers, international transfers

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Speaker 4: from people here to other areas of the globe. Do

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Speaker 4: you think that that's something that would be viable.

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Speaker 14: Well, there's something that's been banned around ever since I

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Speaker 14: was even in the Texas legislature.

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Speaker 10: I have confidence in President Trump. He's going to come

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Speaker 10: up with the process.

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Speaker 14: He's I have to believe, and I think you'll probably

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Speaker 14: will agree that there's a new sheriff in town, as

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Speaker 14: was said.

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Speaker 10: And so you're already seeing some of.

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Speaker 14: These nations across the world because America has lost it's

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Speaker 14: standing as a power under I call him President Obiden

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Speaker 14: because I think he's Obama's third term. And with Trump

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Speaker 14: and back in the White House, you're going to see

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Speaker 14: him come up with ways to make for example, immigrants

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Speaker 14: from Maine in Mexico stop catching release and actually start

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Speaker 14: deporting some of these you're hearing some of these Democrat mayors.

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Speaker 14: I know you all are paying attention, and we appreciate

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Speaker 14: Real America's voice for what you I'll do getting the

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Speaker 14: word out.

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Speaker 10: You hear some of these Democrat mayors say that they would.

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Speaker 14: Actually fight the federal government if they tried to deport illegals.

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Speaker 10: That were in their area. And think about poor Lake

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Speaker 10: and Rileigh it cost her her life, and think about

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Speaker 10: all of the illegals that are here.

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Speaker 14: That there's been multiple young women killed, raped and killed.

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Speaker 14: And I'm like, Trump will come up with that policy

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Speaker 14: that will absolutely put the halt on this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so important. Do you think Congress would have the

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Speaker 1: will to strip some federal funding if a city or

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Speaker 1: a state decided to keep sanctuary status and refuse to

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Speaker 1: cooperate with the federal government.

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Speaker 10: I sure hope so, John I actually tweeted that out.

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Speaker 14: You know, let's take away their money and let all

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Speaker 14: federal benefits all federal benefits.

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Speaker 10: Of course, Texas says.

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Speaker 14: You know, is extremely conservative state, so we get it.

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Speaker 14: Even when I was in the Texas legislature, we spent

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Speaker 14: two hundred million dollars a session trying to secure the border.

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Speaker 14: And so all of a sudden, Greg Abad, as you know,

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Speaker 14: came up with the brine idea to start exporting some

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Speaker 14: of those illegals. So all of a sudden, some of

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Speaker 14: these start crying. They cried for a while they wanted

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Speaker 14: more federal money, billions of dollars in New York, for example.

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Speaker 14: And now that Trump's coming back into office and saying

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Speaker 14: We're going to fix this problem.

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Speaker 10: We're going to deport those.

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Speaker 14: Who are dragged on the economy as a laid out

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Speaker 14: in health and also in education. Now he's back in

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Speaker 14: office to do that, and they're going, Oh, we will obstruct.

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Speaker 10: You every way we can. You can't make this stuff up.

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Speaker 3: It's crazy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, Carson.

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Speaker 4: We are already saying predictably acrimony between borders are Tom

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Speaker 4: Homan and people like Illinois Governor JB.

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Speaker 2: Pritzker.

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Speaker 4: Tom Holman saying we're going to get the criminals out,

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Speaker 4: which I don't know why anybody would would be opposed

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Speaker 4: to that, and then JB. Prisker's saying, we're going to

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Speaker 4: protect our people when it comes to extracting the criminals

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Speaker 4: out of communities. On one hand, you would think that,

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Speaker 4: because this could potentially blow up and be a pr

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Speaker 4: crisis for the Trump administration, you got to do it

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Speaker 4: with surgical precision. On the other hand, mainstream media is

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Speaker 4: going to criticize him anyways. And why not just go

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Speaker 4: in like gangbusters and remove the worst of the worst.

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Speaker 14: Well, that's an inter thing word to use gang busters,

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Speaker 14: because the gang is there. You're seeing gangs in Colorado,

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Speaker 14: You're seeing gangs all over the place.

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Speaker 10: And that's exactly what the federal government needs to do.

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Speaker 10: And look, the Constitution is very explicit.

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Speaker 14: Power is left to the states the tenth Amendment, but

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Speaker 14: the federal government does have a role to play and

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Speaker 14: immigration and naturalization ragier Constitution is up to Congress. We

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Speaker 14: go on there, we set those rules, we set those laws,

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Speaker 14: and I don't care. It's not that I don't care

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Speaker 14: these states who apparently don't care about their own citizens

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Speaker 14: watching young girls get raped, assaulted, murdered, because just because

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Speaker 14: they don't care, I think we have the right to

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Speaker 14: go on there and remove the gang if you want

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Speaker 14: to use that word, the criminals, the criminal element.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's going to be a big moment should that happen.

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Speaker 1: So I want to talk a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: neighbor to the south. In the past, when we had

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Speaker 1: to implement remain in Mexico, work pretty well in your

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Speaker 1: Mexican government was pretty cooperative. They have been a little

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Speaker 1: more tough sounding and uncooperative sounding with their new president.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that changes with President Trump? Are they

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Speaker 1: going to need a little extra persuasion from Congress?

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Speaker 14: I think extra persuasion. Sherman McCall had a committee. We

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Speaker 14: went down there on a codale to Mexico.

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Speaker 10: I went with him, and.

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Speaker 14: I speak of Spanish, and of course I'm good friends

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Speaker 14: with Sherman McCall. We actually meant the two women running

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Speaker 14: to make history in Mexico, the first female president of

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Speaker 14: Mexican history, And sadly we think the one that got

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Speaker 14: who became a got elected, was a little less conservative

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Speaker 14: than the other one. So I'm quite sure there's going

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Speaker 14: to need some more We're gonna need some more power

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Speaker 14: down there, some more persuasive policies so that they can

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Speaker 14: get on track with us.

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Speaker 10: And I think I think Trump you probably know this.

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Speaker 14: When Trump says something, he means it, and I think

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Speaker 14: they'll learn that the hard way.

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Speaker 3: They probably are going to learn that the hard way.

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Speaker 4: Right Congressman Democrats for many election cycles have been saying

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Speaker 4: we're going to make in runs in Texas. Pretty soon,

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Speaker 4: we're going to turn it purple and maybe even blue. However,

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Speaker 4: in this election, New York came closer to turning red

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Speaker 4: than Texas came to turning blue.

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Speaker 5: To what do you attribute that?

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Speaker 14: Well, I think people around Texas has been a very,

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Speaker 14: very conservative state for a long long time.

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Speaker 10: I got involved in Ron.

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Speaker 14: Reagan ran for election at eighty three, and the I

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Speaker 14: got involved in the Republican Party. I've watched this, paid

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Speaker 14: attention to city council. I've been really involved with. I've

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Speaker 14: been a preseason share election clurer, co election judge, I've

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Speaker 14: held elections. So I've watched Texas for a long time.

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Speaker 14: I've watched these other states. I think people are waking

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Speaker 14: up thanks to you all and news out lists like you'll,

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Speaker 14: they're finally getting to see what a blight, what a

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Speaker 14: scourged this illegal immigration is on our country. It's got

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Speaker 14: to be legal, It's got to be done in the

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Speaker 14: right way. They've got remaining their own countries. If they

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Speaker 14: want to check for sylum or ask for asylum, they've

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Speaker 14: got to go through that process before they get her.

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Speaker 14: Because all that they've done in Biden and Obama is

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Speaker 14: to open up the border and say come one, come

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Speaker 14: all criminals and all I could tell you about the

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Speaker 14: special interest aliens. Those are ones that are from countries

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Speaker 14: like Afghanistan, you know, im in.

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Speaker 10: I can go right down the list and tell.

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Speaker 14: You that we've got probably fifty thousand of those special

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Speaker 14: interests in aliens have been handled. If we missed ten

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Speaker 14: percent of those, that's five thousand.

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Speaker 10: Potential terrorists could be in our country.

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Speaker 14: I think people around around the nation are waking up

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Speaker 14: and saying, you know what, this a liberal idea about

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Speaker 14: come one, comal is not a good thing because America's

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Speaker 14: Americans are getting killed.

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Speaker 10: I think they're catching on.

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Speaker 1: I really do they are, indeed, And I think that

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Speaker 1: also cat on why people in Texas love you so much,

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Speaker 1: Congressman common Sense always whenever you talk, great to have

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Speaker 1: you on the show, say what a great honor.

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Speaker 10: Well, we appreciate y'all for what y'all do.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, you as well, all rights, what a

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Speaker 1: great interview. We're gonna take a closer look at how

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Speaker 5: Welcome back to Just the News, No Noise.

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Speaker 4: We have been talking a lot all week about nominations

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Speaker 4: and appointments made by President Trump and about shrinking the

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Speaker 4: size of government and especially the administrative state or US.

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Speaker 4: Some call it the deep Date, the blob establishment, the

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Speaker 4: group of unelected bureaucrats that call a lot of the

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Speaker 4: shots in Washington, DC. So what other ways can President

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Speaker 4: Trump go about dismantling it? Joining us to discuss that

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Speaker 4: is the president of the New Civil Liberties Alliance and

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Speaker 4: former Chief of Staff and then Congressman Mike Pompeo, Mark

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Speaker 4: Chenow with Mark, thanks so much for being here tonight.

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Speaker 9: Great to be with you, Amanda and John Good.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So, President Trump has nominated vi vaik Ramaswami and

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Speaker 4: Elon Musk in Concert to head up Doge. But I

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Speaker 4: want to ask you, as you look at the whole

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Speaker 4: body of government in Washington, d C. What department do

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Speaker 4: you think deserves to go on the chopping block first?

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Speaker 4: What has the most fat that needs to be cut off?

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Speaker 15: Well, I don't know if it has the most fat,

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Speaker 15: but it has maybe the most illegal conduct by the

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Speaker 15: Biden administration over the last few years, and that's the

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Speaker 15: Department of Education. We've seen both with what they've been

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Speaker 15: trying to do with Title nine and misinterpreting that, and

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Speaker 15: with what they've done with student loan debt forgiveness, which

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Speaker 15: they've tried to do unilaterally in a way that Congress

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Speaker 15: has never authorized. I think those are two places where

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Speaker 15: we've really seen unlawful administrative power. And if you're going

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Speaker 15: to have that, then can we really just do away

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Speaker 15: with that and put all the important things back at

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Speaker 15: the state level in terms of education governance.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Block grants helped you a lot more than some

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Speaker 1: of the bureaucracy we've got. Now, Mark, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask a little bit about the significance of the reversal

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Speaker 1: of the Chevron doctrine. It happened in the summer, but

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Speaker 1: while we're all kind of focused on the election, the assassinations,

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Speaker 1: all the things, but from a busting the administrative state

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Speaker 1: and all of that illegal sort of monarchical monarchy like

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Speaker 1: power that was assembled at the end of the Chevron

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Speaker 1: doction could be a big win for busting this administrative

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Speaker 1: state in the next few years.

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Speaker 3: Right, absolutely a big win.

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Speaker 15: The New Civil Liberties Alliance represented the plaintive sin the

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Speaker 15: Relentless case, which was the companion case to Low or Bright,

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Speaker 15: which is the one you'll hear more about, but it's

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Speaker 15: one decision covered both both cases. And what that did

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Speaker 15: is that essentially told the federal judges, you need to

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Speaker 15: go back to being an independent federal judiciary and no

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Speaker 15: longer defer to the legal interpretations of these federal agencies.

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Speaker 15: The Chevron doctrine had been in effect for forty years,

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Speaker 15: and it's one of the main reasons why these federal

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Speaker 15: agencies have grown so dramatically over the last four decades

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Speaker 15: because under Chevron, if a statute was either ambiguous or

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Speaker 15: you know, if it were if there was a gap

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Speaker 15: in the statute, then agencies could interpret could essentially create

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Speaker 15: power out of thin air from that gap or ambiguity

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Speaker 15: in the statute, and the Supreme Court said no more.

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Speaker 15: If Congress has not given you the statute for authority,

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Speaker 15: you do not have it.

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Speaker 4: So, Mark, does that mean that members of Congress are

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Speaker 4: going to have to spend more time on Capitol Hill

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Speaker 4: because they're not experts? And that was always the argument

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Speaker 4: that because they weren't experts, they were handing off this

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Speaker 4: responsibility to these bureaucrats. Does that mean that members of

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Speaker 4: Congress are going to have to spend a little bit

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Speaker 4: more time, maybe study a little more about the issues

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Speaker 4: to pass legislation.

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Speaker 15: Well, I do think Chevron upset the incentive structure, right,

884
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Speaker 15: So instead of instead of congressmen and congresswomen doing the

885
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Speaker 15: work of figuring out some of these things, having hearings,

886
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 15: making the important legislative decisions, it was too easy for

887
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Speaker 15: them to just delegate some of that power over to

888
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 15: administrative agencies and then maybe behind the scenes call over

889
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Speaker 15: to the agency and say we want this, we don't

890
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Speaker 15: want this. There's less accountability with that, there's certainly less

891
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Speaker 15: democratic input with that. And we also have seen that

892
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Speaker 15: with these administrative agencies, they're not looking to compromise. The

893
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Speaker 15: administrative agencies are sort of one size fits all and so.

894
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Speaker 15: Whereas in Congress they look at how all of these

895
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Speaker 15: things are going to affect constituencies, how they're going to

896
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Speaker 15: affect small business, how they're going to affect the religious communities,

897
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Speaker 15: and so forth, administrative agencies tend to just ignore all

898
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Speaker 15: of that and force one solution down on everyone. And

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Speaker 15: I think we'll see less of that going forward as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark got about a minute laugh real quickly. The

901
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Speaker 1: Justice Department typically settles a lot of cases as they're

902
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Speaker 1: going out the door in a departing administration, should we

903
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Speaker 1: be on alert that the DJ's up to some funny

904
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Speaker 1: business right now?

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Speaker 15: Absolutely beyond alert to be very suspicious of any settlements

906
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Speaker 15: that are reached at this point in the administration, and

907
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Speaker 15: be looking for the incoming administration to take a look

908
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Speaker 15: at anything that's left over and figure out whether some

909
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Speaker 15: of these cases need to be continued or not. There

910
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Speaker 15: may be opportunities for the incoming administration to deal more

911
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Speaker 15: judiciously with some of the existing litigation. And remember a

912
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Speaker 15: settlement requires two sides, so it could be that they're

913
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Speaker 15: going to try to settle if there's any litigation that's

914
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Speaker 15: been brought in a sort of collusive way, then they

915
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Speaker 15: may try to settle that. But if there's somebody who

916
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 15: the government's been going after in an enforcement kind of way,

917
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Speaker 15: they may hold out. They may feel like they can

918
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Speaker 15: get a fairer treatment from the incoming administration, So they

919
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Speaker 15: may not be willing to settle at this juncture unless

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Speaker 15: they get a fair shake.

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Speaker 4: Great point, Yeah, Mark, Before we let you go, tell

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Speaker 4: everybody where they can find out more about New.

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Speaker 5: Civil liber Alliance.

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Speaker 15: In CLA legal dot org is our website in CLA

925
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Speaker 15: legal dot org. Would love to have people check us

926
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Speaker 15: out and learn more about the three or four dozen

927
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Speaker 15: cases we have opened against the federal government right now.

928
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Speaker 4: Doing great, fantastic cases against the federal government.

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Speaker 5: That's what we love to hear here.

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Speaker 4: Mark Jennow with President of the New Civil Liberties Alliance,

931
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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 5: With us on this Friday.

933
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Speaker 4: All Right, everybody, after the break, what will the new

934
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Speaker 4: Trump administration mean for your taxes?

935
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Speaker 5: That was a big issue this time around. So we're

936
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Speaker 5: going to get to that night. Welcome back, everybody. It's

937
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Speaker 5: our final segment of the night.

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Speaker 4: We're going to go out on a bang and in

939
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 4: the show talking about your money honey, and how much

940
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Speaker 4: the government is taking and maybe not so much in

941
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Speaker 4: this next administration. Will the Trump administration, along with Congressional

942
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Speaker 4: Republicans be able to cut taxes and cut government spending

943
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Speaker 4: to go along with us?

944
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Speaker 5: Wouldn't that be glorious? Joining us now to talk about

945
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Speaker 5: that is the president of the.

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Speaker 4: National Taxpayers Union and Pete step Pete, great to see

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00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 4: you again, Thanks for.

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Speaker 16: Being here many thanks for having me. And there's a

949
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Speaker 16: lot to be excited about. And this is not always

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Speaker 16: an exciting topic.

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Speaker 10: You know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that is very true, Pete. When I'm out

953
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 4: and about in America, one of the things that I

954
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 4: hear from taxpayers the most is, hey, whatever happened to

955
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 4: those those you know, double sided index cards. That was

956
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 4: one of President Trump's ideas in his first administration.

957
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Speaker 5: It never got implemented.

958
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 4: Taxes are way too complicated for no reason unless you have,

959
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 4: you know, cross border taxes or something. Do you think

960
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 4: that that will be something that we could possibly get

961
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 4: back around to, and why is anybody opposed to that?

962
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Speaker 16: We should queue up an honest discussion on how much

963
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 16: we can simplify the tax law and not just make

964
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 16: it easier to pay or pay less, but actually complying

965
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 16: with the law in a simpler fashion so that you

966
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Speaker 16: may never need one of those complex software programs. You

967
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 16: could actually look at a tax form that makes sense

968
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Speaker 16: to most human beings and pay your taxes that way

969
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 16: or get your refund that way. I think having that

970
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Speaker 16: discussion would be very helpful.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 16: Does Congress have the bandwidth for it? Well, that's a

973
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 16: big question. What they have to do is get that

974
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 16: reconciliation process done so they set the spending and revenue

975
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 16: levels early, and then they can get to work on deciding, well,

976
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Speaker 16: are we going to extend a lot of the tax

977
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Speaker 16: relief provisions of the twenty seventeen law. Are we going

978
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Speaker 16: to go in a totally different direction move to a

979
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Speaker 16: flat rate income tax or a consumption style tax. Those

980
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 16: plans have been on the table for the better part

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Speaker 16: of forty years actually, and can Congress do it in

982
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Speaker 16: the space of a few months. Well, the transition could

983
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 16: be mapped out, but I think they need to start

984
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Speaker 16: out on a more model path.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's probably what will happen.

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Speaker 1: One agency that got blown up in size and sometimes

987
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: blown up for its bad work is the irs. It

988
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: doesn't come up much in the conversations in this period

989
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: post election, But it feels like an agency in need

990
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: of a mission change or certainly a mission realignment.

991
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Speaker 16: What do you think, Yeah, absolutely, we talk about a

992
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 16: lot of midnight rulemakings at the EPA or other agencies.

993
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 16: We've got to watch out for that near the end

994
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 16: of twenty twenty four. For the IRS, there are really

995
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 16: terrible ones going on that would affect partnerships across America.

996
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 16: It would affect how cryptocurrency gets reported. They're just awfully complicated,

997
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 16: tortuous rulemakings that would cost billions of dollars on the economy.

998
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 16: Those need to be paused while new leadership gets in

999
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 16: in Washington. And the eighty billion dollars of funding the

1000
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 16: IRS got for more enforcement under the Biden administration, well

1001
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 16: that's been paired back to sixty billion, but that's still

1002
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 16: plenty for the agency to play around with, and playing

1003
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 16: they are. They have used up all of the allocated

1004
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 16: money pretty much for taxpayer service improvements. They're still behind

1005
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 16: on modernizing their computer systems. They need another major reset

1006
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 16: from Congress and the President to say you're going to

1007
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 16: have to make do with a little less than another

1008
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 16: sixty billion, and you've got to focus on modernization, not

1009
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 16: more harsh enforcement tactics. You modernize that agency, you're going

1010
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Speaker 16: to get better taxpayer compliance without a lot of bully tactics.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point, Peter.

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Speaker 4: Our national debt is seventy five percent higher than it

1013
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Speaker 4: was in twenty seventeen, so of course our choices are.

1014
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Speaker 5: Going to have to be made.

1015
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 4: I think back to another world leader's ten year Prime

1016
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Speaker 4: Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper, and he was one of

1017
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 4: those leaders who made some tough decisions, and not long

1018
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 4: after that he was hired by the Canadian people. The

1019
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 4: American people have a little bit of amnesia, so we

1020
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 4: tend to forget around election time the misdeeds or the

1021
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Speaker 4: perceived misdeeds earlier.

1022
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Speaker 5: In that cycle.

1023
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Speaker 4: Are these things, these tax cuts, things that President Trump

1024
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 4: and Republicans in Congress should get done right away as

1025
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 4: soon as possible, so the time midterms roll around or

1026
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Speaker 4: the next general election, maybe maybe people aren't so mad

1027
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 4: about it.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's a good idea. Implement the changes quickly, and

1029
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Speaker 16: especially when it comes to reducing federal spending in order

1030
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Speaker 16: to match the tax cuts we're going to have, So

1031
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Speaker 16: we don't keep putting upward pressure on the national debt.

1032
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Speaker 16: At some point you have to say some level of

1033
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 16: taxation is preferable to some level of debt. Otherwise we

1034
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Speaker 16: should be borrowing the federal budget in its entirety every year.

1035
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Speaker 16: But those hard choices are going to involve tax cuts too.

1036
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Speaker 16: Do we want to have everything both the President and

1037
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 16: Congress are proposing, or do we have to make some

1038
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 16: compromise is while we cut spending to try and keep

1039
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Speaker 16: the debt under control. You know, one example is not

1040
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 16: taxing social security benefits at all. Well, the unfair social

1041
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 16: security benefits taxation has been around for a while. Maybe

1042
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 16: instead of getting rid of it entirely, a good start

1043
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 16: is to index for inflation the thresholds at which you

1044
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 16: begin paying that tax, at least protect seniors from having

1045
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 16: to pay more going forward, and then work on a

1046
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 16: way to start ratcheting back the taxes on social security benefits.

1047
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Speaker 16: That gives you time to implement the changes without a

1048
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Speaker 16: lot of disruption and without a lot of debt.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very smart, pretty strategic way to go about to that.

1050
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Speaker 1: We got about three seconds left. We were at four

1051
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: point nine trillion dollars of spending before COVID. Now we're

1052
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: north of seven trillion. Do you have a number in

1053
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: mind that Congress can set the dials and say it's

1054
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: easy from that point to start then getting a common

1055
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: sense and budgeting again.

1056
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Speaker 16: It's got to be between five and six trillion. Nobody

1057
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 16: should be able to argue right now that the federal

1058
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 16: government can't live on that.

1059
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Speaker 11: Elon Musk and.

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Speaker 16: Theak Ramaswami could cut federal spending by a trillion dollars

1061
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Speaker 16: through the DOGE and it would still be fifty percent

1062
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 16: more than we've been spending in twenty nineteen. We've got

1063
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Speaker 16: a long way to go, and we can do it.

1064
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Speaker 1: Such a stunning statistic when you hear that, that's crazy.

1065
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Speaker 5: Unbelievable, unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Pizza, President of the National Taxpayers Union, we love the

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Speaker 4: work that you guys do.

1068
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Speaker 5: Over over at National Taxpayers Union. Thanks so much for

1069
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 5: being here with us tonight.

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Speaker 16: My pleasure.

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Speaker 4: Good, Come safe, all right, everybody that's going to do

1072
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Speaker 4: it for us tonight. We hope that you all have

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Speaker 4: had a splendid week and have a wonderful and safe weekend.

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Speaker 4: Grant Cinchfield is going to take you through the next

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Speaker 4: hour John and I will be back on Monday at

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Speaker 4: six pm right here on Real America's Voice. Everybody, stay

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Speaker 4: safe and God bless our great country.

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Speaker 5: You've seen it