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Speaker 1: Hey everyone, Welcome to the Restless Ones. I'm Jonathan Strickland.

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Speaker 1: As always, my focus is on exploring the intersection of

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Speaker 1: technology and business by having conversations with the most forward

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Speaker 1: thinking leaders. Throughout my career, I've covered everything from massive

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Speaker 1: parallel processing to advanced robotics, but what truly inspires me

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Speaker 1: are the stories of innovation and transformation. Our guest today

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Speaker 1: is Mike Wonderush, chief Information Officer at Avontour, a company

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Speaker 1: that has as its mission we set science in motion

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Speaker 1: to create a better world. Avonteur is at the center

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Speaker 1: of the world of life sciences and applied materials industries.

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Speaker 1: The company traces its history back over a century when

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Speaker 1: a chemist in Pennsylvania founded a company dedicated to producing

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Speaker 1: high quality chemicals. A lot has happened since the JT.

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Speaker 1: Baker Chemical Company launched nineteen oh four, and today Avontour

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Speaker 1: is a global company with operations in more than thirty countries.

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Speaker 1: Mike Onedrash joined Avontour in twenty eighteen as CIO. He

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Speaker 1: takes an engineer's view of the world and sees technology

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Speaker 1: I had the good fortune to sit down with Mike

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Speaker 1: innovative solutions. But first I wanted to learn more about

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Speaker 1: Mike himself. Mike, allow me to welcome you to the

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Speaker 1: Restless Ones. Thank you so much for taking the time

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Speaker 1: to speak with us.

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Speaker 2: Thanks the invite. I've listened to a bunch of my

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Speaker 2: excited to be part of it.

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Speaker 1: Before I jump into all your work, I'm very curious

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Speaker 1: because you've had a career that has spanned multiple companies

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Speaker 1: in different job responsibilities. What first drew you to technology.

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Speaker 2: I probably got initially drawn to technology because of its

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Speaker 2: ability to solve problems. I love the kind of applied

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Speaker 2: creativity or the problem solving capabilities of technology, starting for

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Speaker 2: those a million years ago, like myself, the Apple logo.

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Speaker 2: That was the first creative thing that I thought, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is kind of cool. And that's what continues to

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Speaker 2: ability to really make an impact in a dynamic world.

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Speaker 1: I love that the engineer kind of view of the world.

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Speaker 1: I always say, the engineers view the world as a

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Speaker 1: series of problems that are just waiting to be solved,

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Speaker 1: and the technologically inclined one see the computer systems as

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Speaker 1: one of many tools to achieve those solutions. So let's

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about your career path.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I've been super fortunate to have

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Speaker 2: done some awesome rotations in a number of different industries.

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Speaker 2: So I started my own business a graduate school, we

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Speaker 2: were doing early days of artificial intelligence, so collision detection software.

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Speaker 2: We helped work with NASA and doing some design work

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Speaker 2: Deere detractors on human simulation in ergonomic design, so what

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Speaker 2: Sold that business after a number of years, went into

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Speaker 2: consulting because honestly, I couldn't comprehend not being the final

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Speaker 2: decision maker on everything. So I'd got to explore a

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Speaker 2: number of different industries and it just spurred my interest

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Speaker 2: in applied technologies.

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Speaker 1: Also out of curiosity. When you're chatting with someone just

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Speaker 1: casually and they say, so, what do you do for

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Speaker 1: a living? How do you boil down your job's responsibilities

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a fantastic question, even when my

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Speaker 2: kids say, so Dad, what do you really do? The

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Speaker 2: simple answer is, my job is to get rule blocks

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Speaker 2: a dinner party. My job is to look for new

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Speaker 2: and creative ways to leverage technology as a strategic asset

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Speaker 2: for the company. Whether that's customer facing opportunities, whether that's

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Speaker 2: at how we can leverage technology, which is really what

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Speaker 2: digitization is, right, It's how do I take advantage of

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Speaker 2: to be differentiated in our sector?

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Speaker 1: Excellent For those who aren't aware of what avontur does,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about like material science and chemistry, what role

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Speaker 2: I would say probably three areas come to mind. One

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Speaker 2: is how do we make research scientists more effective? How

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Speaker 2: eliminate friction in their environment, whether it's product procurement, whether

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Speaker 2: it's labs traditionally have been very fragmented in their technology solutions,

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Speaker 2: so we play a significant role integrating labs from inventory management,

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Speaker 2: chemical management, precurrement management, equipment management, bio repository. So really

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Speaker 2: our role is working with large bioform of companies, working

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Speaker 1: And I absolutely love that messaging. Here on the Restless Ones,

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Speaker 1: we talk a lot about connectivity because I really do

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Speaker 1: believe that that is the technology that is sort of

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Speaker 1: just being a silo. Can you talk a bit about

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Speaker 1: how the company leverages connectivity in various ways.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. The notion of connectivity for us is how

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Speaker 2: enable scientists to work remotely or whether they're physically at

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Speaker 2: I enable my global base of nearly fifteen thousand associates

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Speaker 2: my commercial associates, my frontline distribution workers, my manufacturing associates

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Speaker 2: ultimately connectivity being the number one most important thing. How

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Speaker 2: business be accessible, visible, and usable by other folks within

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Speaker 2: the organization. And I say organization broadly from customer to supplier,

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Speaker 2: because they're ultimately going to know the best way to

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Speaker 2: most effectively. I think that's when I think about the

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Speaker 2: connected enterprise, how I think about connectivity.

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Speaker 1: Mike, you are really hitting on things that I personally

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Speaker 1: find inspiring and exciting. Having this incredible connectivity that has

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Speaker 2: I agree. I think the opportunity to be creative in

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Speaker 2: say it is simple, but we use augmented reality and

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Speaker 2: our distribution centers to help our warehouse associates optimize picks

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Speaker 2: I think there's some real world tasks that we've seen

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Speaker 1: Mike, you're the first guest we've had on who has

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Speaker 1: leveraging the technology not just to improve efficiency, which obviously

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Speaker 1: is important that's a big business driver, but as an

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Speaker 2: I think sometimes we mystify things that don't need to

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Speaker 2: know AI has been around for twenty five years. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have one more question specifically about connectivity before

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Speaker 1: like five G impact the material science and manufacturing space.

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Speaker 2: I think the largest opportunity when we think about our

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Speaker 2: How can you do compound analysis? We produce very high

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Speaker 2: And then I think, secondly, it's your footprint. I think

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Speaker 2: you know having five G and these non tethered technologies

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Speaker 2: If suddenly you know, I'm call it BYO and bring

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Speaker 1: I'm curious. Also, you mentioned earlier about how you view

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Speaker 2: So when we look at it as an extended supply chain,

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Speaker 2: Which is ultimately our goal is how do we do

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Speaker 1: Man, it kind of gets back into that convergence of

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Speaker 2: So our goal is to provide customized solutions for a

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Speaker 1: be sure to come back for those and take some

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Speaker 1: time to look over our back catalog of interviews. Until

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Speaker 1: next time, I'm Jonathan Strickland.