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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's Bill Courtney with an army in normal folks,

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Speaker 1: And we continue now with part two of our conversation

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Speaker 1: with doctor Gabriel cloudis. Right after these brief messages from

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Speaker 1: our general sponsors, you get the money, you're in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got you're des paid off. Now you've got

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Speaker 1: this degree in housing and this master's and undergraduate and

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Speaker 1: all this other stuff. And again, I'm a planner, so

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Speaker 1: I'm asking, was there what's next? Or did it just happen?

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Speaker 2: You know what? Tell me you know?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the plan was still get the PhD, move overseas.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, that's what I was asking. So the plan

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Speaker 1: was move overseas, some more of the stuff you've.

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Speaker 3: Been doing, humanitary architecture. My husband would get the license

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Speaker 3: and architecture. I would get the the degree, and we

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Speaker 3: would have sort of a design research think tank.

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Speaker 2: I love that. That's kind of cool.

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Speaker 3: Doesn't that sound like a great life place, especially.

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Speaker 1: With the whole container thing and everything else, and thinking

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Speaker 1: about how to come up with creative ways to satisfy

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Speaker 1: a real need all over the place for cheap, affordable

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Speaker 1: but livable housing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Cool, right? Design build research with students.

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Speaker 1: Okay, than you doing hanging around here exactly in a

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Speaker 1: state you didn't even know existed exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm two years into my program. My principal investigator

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Speaker 3: that I was doing research with goes on emergency medical leaf.

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Speaker 3: I now have no funding for my work. Oh wow,

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Speaker 3: have to go find a new research job. The only

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Speaker 3: job that's available is looking at chronic homelessness in the

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Speaker 3: Twin Cities with tiny.

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Speaker 2: That's God speaking.

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Speaker 3: Okay to me, that we got there, Alex, you.

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Speaker 2: Got recognized that.

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Speaker 1: But to me, that's it. That to me is what

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Speaker 1: can you do with that fast?

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Speaker 2: You do what you're supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: You stay faithful to the mission, and when one door shuts,

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Speaker 1: another opportunity opens if you just got sense enough to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that didn't It didn't look like an opportunity

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Speaker 3: to me. It looked like my nightmare. No, I get it,

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Speaker 3: chronic homelessness in the Midwest looking at tiny homes as

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Speaker 3: the solution.

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Speaker 1: Really, Okay, so this is like ten years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fast.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was doing back then. Because you

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Speaker 2: see how.

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Speaker 1: Curiosity and these people in Sweden like build tiny homes

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Speaker 1: in the mountains and go sit in asana and that's

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Speaker 2: So couldn't we put a home somewhere?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's kind of how the Dinown thing

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Speaker 1: was going, totally. Yeah, it's basically a song.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I did not want to take on this project.

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Speaker 3: I was very uninterested. I had I would just be

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Speaker 3: totally honest and have tell you that I had a

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Speaker 3: giant chip on my shoulder around homelessness in America. I

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Speaker 3: was like, I have seen the deserving poort. I have

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Speaker 3: seen what it looks like to live on two dollars

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Speaker 3: a day. If you're in America and you were homeless, bummer,

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Speaker 3: that's a real bummer. But we've got government, We've got

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Speaker 3: helping professional.

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Speaker 1: Car igloos out of garbage, right, and they have zero

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Speaker 1: systematic support. And then in the United States we have

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Speaker 1: all of the support. So really, if you want to

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Speaker 1: everything else and maybe even your bike depending on the state,

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Speaker 1: and talk about whate was.

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Speaker 2: Me, I hate it for you.

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Speaker 3: But okay, now on the unbalanced, yeah, you should see

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Speaker 3: what I seen right now. I wasn't so much like

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not trying to do that. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: I'm making a whole different experiences for Americans. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: so you did have a chip on your shoulder.

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Speaker 3: On my shoulder, and I really didn't understand homelessness in America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's why I wanted to talk about the

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Speaker 3: But okay, So then I sense that God is saying

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Speaker 3: that it's time to look at poverty in my own backyard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so why are we going to go overseas and

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Speaker 3: It's in your own backyard, it's your own neighbor.

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Speaker 1: That's actually been my attitude to We do business in

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Speaker 1: I don't live it, and I'm there working, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I have felt compelled by some of the things I've seen.

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Speaker 1: But then I always come back to every time I

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Speaker 1: own city. Yeah, why don't I serve where I am? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: How can I step over the person right in front

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what was revealed to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, So it's just now it's packing extra

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Speaker 3: But that's just where they sleep.

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Speaker 1: And oh, when you say neighbors, not house neighbors, unhoused.

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Speaker 3: Unhouse neighbors and starting to get too interesting.

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Speaker 1: You gotta be careful when you say neighbors, people won't

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, my neighbor that's sleeping on the street is

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. I'm just I'm teeing it up

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good. Yeah, I have to see the person

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Speaker 3: and not as someone to step over, walk over, ignore,

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Speaker 3: look away. I think that does something really really, I

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Speaker 3: think that's deeply wounding to our souls and your own.

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Speaker 1: Are the people that you're looking away from.

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Speaker 3: Your own when you look away.

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Speaker 1: You think, see here's a squirrel, I'm gonna chase up

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Speaker 1: a tree. Okay, you think that it's impossible as a

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Speaker 2: We all notice them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're saying our act of looking away is deeply

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Speaker 1: damaging to our own soul just because we look away.

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Speaker 3: We're literally hiding ourselves from our own flesh. That is

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Speaker 3: that person, and we hide ourselves away. The scriptures say,

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Speaker 3: God says, you want me. Do you know where you'll

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Speaker 3: find me. You'll find me in the poor. You'll find

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Speaker 3: me outside the city gates. I'm the leper outside the

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Speaker 3: I'm in the poor. Want to be with me, you

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Speaker 3: want to serve me, you love me, Come and set

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Speaker 3: the leoper, Come and sit with the poor, Come and

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Speaker 3: There I am.

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Speaker 1: I do lots of speeches. I've spoken to Nike, I've

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Speaker 1: spoken to the Olympic Committee, I've spoken Olympic swim Team.

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Speaker 1: I've spoken to Firestone. I do a lot of public

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Speaker 1: based groups. The things you're saying right now are actually

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Speaker 1: and it feels like what you're saying is very challenging

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Speaker 1: That's what I hear he's saying. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: I believe so.

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Speaker 1: One of my common things when I'm feeling my oats

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Speaker 1: and want to be challenging is a story about when

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Speaker 1: Lisa wanted shrimp. And Lisa's gorgeous, She's a ten, she's

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Speaker 1: a drop dead dime. She'd be walking down the street

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Speaker 1: I mean, you look at this guy right. So you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good advice to any husband out there.

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Speaker 1: So she told me. I was coming back from a

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Speaker 1: pack it on good ice because I want a freshmen.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna shrimp all tomorrow. The kid's gonna love it.

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Speaker 1: I'll get the corn and potatoes. You get shrimp like

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Speaker 1: So I go down there and I don't have you

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Speaker 3: Okay, you've been there, right, Seriously, they really.

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Speaker 1: Do have a hot, wretched, thick stinch to them. And

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Speaker 1: And I found something that stinks worse than the wharf.

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Speaker 1: The fishermen. I mean, you know, they've been smoking marble

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Speaker 1: a requirement to work on a shrimp boat. And they've

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Speaker 1: It dawned on me Christ surrounded himself a fisherman. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and if he were to come today, he wouldn't show

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Speaker 1: up in my neighborhood. Yeah, he would show them in theirs.

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Speaker 1: And that was another one of these things of being

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Speaker 1: It's hard to find people willing.

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Speaker 3: Would think yeah totally. I cannot speak for every person,

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Speaker 1: That's the word I was looking for that the phrase. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, radically hospitable, radically hospitable.

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Speaker 1: So you start to envision this idea of a community

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Speaker 3: What I think that problem happens all over the place.

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Speaker 1: Say it again, This is where your whole story starts

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Speaker 1: to all make sense to me. Yeah, it really is.

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Speaker 3: Yes, As a society, our narrative around homelessness is that

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Speaker 1: And unseen, primarily because when everybody looks at them, they

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Speaker 3: So you're also experiencing a profound and catastrophic loss of community.

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Speaker 1: So you have all of this understanding, You have the data.

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Speaker 1: What'd you say, six to twelve images of this around

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Speaker 3: This point, tiny home villages.

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Speaker 2: Would you tell us what a tiny home is?

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Speaker 3: A tiny home a home of about square footage two

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Speaker 3: I mean you can scale all over. The place where

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Speaker 3: been on the streets for ten years, do we really

439
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Speaker 3: need to be building a thousand square foot home with

440
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: a bedroom, bathroom and kitchen that there aren't any funds

441
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 3: actually to do? And so what would be better to

442
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: build something that's simple and quality and beautiful but for

443
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: a tenth of the cost, or to just say we

444
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 3: can't build something good enough, so we shouldn't build anything.

445
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: So we build homes that would be something that we

446
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: ourselves would live in. It has a gravity fed water tank,

447
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 3: a sink, a catch basin below so that you can

448
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 3: empty that out into the greenhouse or gardens, or into

449
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: your dehydrating toilet. We have the only legal composting toilet

450
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 3: that exists because we have a beautiful aerospace engineer that's

451
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 3: volunteered with us for five years to develop that. Essentially,

452
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 3: we can create and build a home for about forty

453
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 3: thousand dollars, built by volunteer labor, built by normal people.

454
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Speaker 3: We aren't three D printing homes. We aren't manufacturing homes.

455
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 3: We're building stick frame homes. Because guess what, just about

456
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 3: every community has people within them that know how to

457
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: do that, know how to build a home. We've had

458
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 3: youth groups be able to you know, put lemonade stands,

459
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 3: raise the money and build the home. Like this is

460
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: possible in the hands of ordinary, normal people to build

461
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: an affordable housing stock for our nation.

462
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: So you got this idea of community, You got to

463
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Speaker 1: put these things somewhere. Yeah, And if I'm hearing you right,

464
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Speaker 1: you're also not looking to put it on the outskirts

465
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Speaker 1: of town. You want your neighbors to be part of

466
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Speaker 1: a community, and I assume the community.

467
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

468
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: So how's that go?

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00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So I got to put these things, You

470
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: got to put them somewhere. So I talk about how

471
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Speaker 3: did we overcome building code? Building codes highly inflexible. It

472
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: makes for affordable housing to be really expensive. We overcame

473
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 3: it by putting our homes on wheels still look and

474
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 3: feel like a single family home. The next thing we

475
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: needed to overcome was zoning. Zoning is also the inflexible

476
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: and exists to keep the poor out of certain areas.

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Speaker 1: Say it exists so that the people from the other

478
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Speaker 1: side of this tracks stay.

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Speaker 3: There, stay right there, don't come in our neighborhood, not

480
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: in my backyard, right, not in my backyard. Yeah yeah,

481
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: But God is calling us to look at poverty over.

482
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Speaker 1: The tracks to young Thanksgiving. Yeah, just don't come over

483
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Speaker 1: asking me for one.

484
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Speaker 3: Yes, and make sure you say thank you.

485
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Speaker 1: Oh and if you don't say thank you.

486
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Speaker 3: You know I won't be doing this next year, tossing your.

487
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: Turkey next Thanksgiving? Good luck if you got food in

488
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 1: the food pantry, if you don't say thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So we found a very strong federal land

490
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 3: use law called the Religious Land Juice Act.

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Speaker 1: That allows what is that a thing it's a thing

492
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Speaker 1: the religious. All right, what does that mean? You can

493
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Speaker 1: burn chickens at the steak if you want to. No,

494
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: I was just wondering. I mean, you got you got,

495
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Speaker 1: you got folks down in Louisianna the practice of voodoo

496
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Speaker 1: and stuff, so religious use ACKed Okay, great.

497
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Speaker 4: I mean he says something inapproper you didn't see.

498
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Speaker 2: No, But the point is this is interesting.

499
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Speaker 4: Was sponsored by Orrin Hatch and Teddy Kennedy to people

500
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Speaker 4: from different political parties. That's Rances Mormon, Teddy Kenny. I

501
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: presume as Catholic. Yeah, no doubt, I mean kind of Catholic.

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Speaker 1: You kind of killed the Kennedy's Catholic, but progressive Catholic.

503
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Speaker 2: Guy killed the girl Catholic?

504
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, who is the largest landowner in America?

505
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Speaker 2: Who?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Uh?

507
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Speaker 2: Single? I would say the federal.

508
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: Government, Okay, after that, okay, the.

509
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Speaker 1: Largest, the largest, Now see I love questions like this.

510
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: The largest the.

511
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Speaker 1: Single landowner in the United States, I would say the

512
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: federal government, and then after them, maybe the railroad.

513
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: Just trying to be a smart asterism. Really the answer

514
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: is churches. That's what she's trying to get you to say.

515
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 5: But the.

516
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: Church, say combination.

517
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Speaker 3: That's combination. Okay, that would make a Mormon church.

518
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, sure, sure when you add it all together.

519
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Speaker 3: I believe, Alex, maybe you can absolutely yeah, I mean it.

520
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: Was probably right.

521
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Speaker 4: Those are probably the first.

522
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Speaker 3: I think that the Catholic Church is the largest landowner

523
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Speaker 3: in the world.

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Speaker 2: Is that right?

525
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 3: I think so. The point is, The point is the

526
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Speaker 3: church has a lot of land.

527
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Speaker 2: Yeah, got you.

528
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 3: The church might be cash poor, but it is asset rich.

529
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Speaker 3: The American Church has a lot of land, and turns

530
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Speaker 3: out that land is protected under a federal a very

531
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Speaker 3: strong federal land use law that says you can use

532
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Speaker 3: your land in conjunction with your mission.

533
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Speaker 1: That is a revelation that is so interesting and cool.

534
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. Who found this out for you?

535
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 2: How'd you found this out?

536
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: I had the best mentor at the University of Minnesota.

537
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: It was just the coolest guy, Tom Fisher. I would

538
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 3: come into his office every week tell him the research

539
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: I was doing, and nothing was nothing was too crazy

540
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: or too out there. He would just encourage me to

541
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: explore every possibility. And so we you know, week after

542
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: week after week, we were just coming up with the

543
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 3: craziest ideas of how to overcome zoning, everything from I

544
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 3: mean like ice fish houses on the lake to what

545
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 3: kind of zoning is happening on.

546
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Speaker 2: The water summertime might be a little difficult.

547
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: But then it turns into a houseboat.

548
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Speaker 1: They're gonna have wills and a haul. Okay, but then

549
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: you found it. That is so so you you found

550
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: it in your research.

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00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 3: Found it the research. We actually found a church in

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Speaker 3: Saint Paul. Saint Paul's a capital of Minnesota for others

553
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: that didn't know about Minnesota like me. That was in

554
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: a lawsuit. They were they were suing the city of

555
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: Saint Paul for unjust restrictions on the use of their building.

556
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 3: They had rented out their basement to a nonprofit that

557
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 3: had been around for twenty or thirty years that was

558
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: a day respite center for the homeless.

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00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: Oh I know why, I know what happened. Yeah, the

560
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: neighbors there, you go, didn't want those people walking through

561
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: their neighborhood. Yeah, so they started raising hell and they

562
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: used their influence absolutely with the politicians. And so the

563
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: politicians said, okay, we'll stop this, and the church says,

564
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: you can't stop it because we have we have protection

565
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: under the federal what's.

566
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: It land use, that's religious land juice.

567
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Speaker 4: So churches rank six on the list. We forgot tribal

568
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 4: land is a big one, and that it's interesting with

569
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 4: Orange Hatch Lbs church owns one point seven million acres

570
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Speaker 4: in the US.

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00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: Wow.

572
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need some settled properties.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: But the point is that's what happens.

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Speaker 1: And so the church was suing the city saying, we

577
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: don't care if these people upset about these un housed

578
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: people or whatever coming to use our basement.

579
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Speaker 2: We're allowed to use this under this federal law.

580
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. Not only we're allowed, but we are called.

581
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Speaker 1: Well the argument legally is allowed. But their mission is

582
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: they feel called as a church to serve these folks.

583
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well they.

584
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Speaker 1: Sound like a pretty nice candidate to talk to you

585
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: about your holes and wills houses.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. When I met them, they were a couple of

587
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: years into that fight and they were weary. But they

588
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: ended up winning in federal courts. Oh, it went all

589
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: the way to federal courts. Wo. Yeah, and so.

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Speaker 1: That actually is pretty good that that happened, because that's

591
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Speaker 1: that precedent for you.

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00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely, we planted our first sacred settlement in Saint Paul.

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Speaker 2: There at that church.

594
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: Not at that church. They didn't have any land, but

595
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: a church, you know, five minutes down the road.

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Speaker 1: No kidding, all right, So tell me what that first.

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Speaker 1: First of all, we talked about the founder of Settled,

598
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Speaker 1: and I said at the top of the show, I

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Speaker 1: love the title of the organization settled, because metaphorically it

600
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 1: co joins but settle your life.

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00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, settlers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you envision people in wagon trains settling, and then

603
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: folks experiencing homelessness finally able to physically settle, but also

604
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: settle their souls.

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00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: Yes, and we settle our souls because we take ourselves

606
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: away from the busyness of life and living community. Yes,

607
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: I was trying to be cheesy, but that's true.

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Speaker 3: It's so good. It's true.

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Speaker 4: I'm just reflecting what you said. It's in the threat.

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Speaker 2: So what is this first settlement of Settled? Look like?

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Speaker 3: Okay, first settlement. It's a tiny little church about six

612
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 3: minutes outside of downtown Saint Paul, about one acre of land.

613
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: That's all. That's teen I see.

614
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 3: That's tiny little building. Uh, that's you know, been there forever.

615
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 3: A lot of deferred maintenance. The church they just kind

616
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 3: of did like a replant. It's been around for about

617
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: eight years when we meet them, and maybe about twenty

618
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: committed like families that show up every Sunday, so very tiny,

619
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Speaker 3: under resourced, just outside the heart of Saint Paul, not

620
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: much land, and they say yes to the to the

621
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Speaker 3: nation's first sacred settlement. They they just their mission is hospitality.

622
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 3: They are on mission to offer radical hospitality. And they

623
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: just could. They were like, you know what, we don't

624
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: have much, but we want to use every inch of

625
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 3: our land for the Kingdom of God. So if you

626
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: can do it here, do it here. And so it

627
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: was just a process of learning with them planting our

628
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 3: first sacred settlement. Again. A sacred settlement is an intentional

629
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Speaker 3: and permanent tiny home community owned and operated by the

630
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Speaker 3: local church.

631
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Speaker 1: That's I was wondering that. So the church's land, who's

632
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: on it? They own it?

633
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 3: They own it?

634
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 2: Did they own the homes?

635
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: They owned the homes?

636
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: So you build them and then the church owns them.

637
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: The community builds them.

638
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: The community.

639
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: When I say you, the organization, the community, whoever you

640
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: spearhead the building, the community does it. But the church

641
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: owns the asset. Yes, and that people living in them then.

642
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 3: Pay rent, Yes to the church.

643
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 2: Why is that that the greatest full circle?

644
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: Forget for a second, for just a second, let's put

645
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: aside the social impact. I mean, pragmatically, that's a really

646
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: cool win win for everybody.

647
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 4: Yes, it could be a self sustaining model then too,

648
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 4: if they're paying rent, right, Yeah, you upload the costs upfront,

649
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 4: but then it gets paid back.

650
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, now that's interesting.

651
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: We see, I didn't get that part reading the prop.

652
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: I didn't understand that part that.

653
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 3: The church owns it and they operate it. This is

654
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 3: the role of the church.

655
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: But so the church and then in operating it, they

656
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: are in community with the residents of the dining hose.

657
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 3: Yes. And then not only is it neighbors coming out

658
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 3: of homelessness living on the church land and using the

659
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 3: church building, but there are also what we call intentional

660
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 3: neighbors that make up one third of the homes there.

661
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 3: These are people that are coming from relatively healthy, happy backgrounds,

662
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: feel called and compelled to live in the community alongside

663
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 3: the poor, to augment that role of family that has

664
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 3: been lost. It's almost like your backyard missionary there.

665
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: Because we got to go back to the thing I

666
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: made you repeat the data says yes, the vast majority

667
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 1: of the people experiencing homelessness are experiencing it ultimately because

668
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: of a lack of connectivity to family. Yes, to a family,

669
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: and so this small home community helps recreate what they've

670
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: never had or they lost very early. Does it reverse

671
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: the patterns that are above the peels of layers once

672
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 1: you get to that slowly we're taking the I'm so

673
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 1: happy you said it that way.

674
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: The answer is yes.

675
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 3: But there's work, yeah, patient work, patient, slow work. It's

676
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 3: really a work on the heart of the church. You know,

677
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 3: we come in with so much judgment about people about

678
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 3: how they should live their life, how they should spend

679
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: their money, what decisions that they're making, and having a

680
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 3: sacred settlement right at your church. It just changes everything.

681
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 3: It's no longer those people. It's your neighbor by name,

682
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 3: by relationship, and a lot of the hardness of our

683
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: heart just starts to fall away, like we start to

684
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 3: get plump hearts again, We start to learn empathy.

685
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: We had a guest recently that said it's hard.

686
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: To well, it's actually a quote from Brene Brown that

687
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 4: people are hard to hate close up move in.

688
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and.

689
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:50,280
Speaker 1: That's a little different from a different perspective, but again, yeah,

690
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: it's let's change it. It's hard to look away from

691
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: people that are right in front of you. Yeah, and

692
00:39:58,080 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: that kind of community.

693
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's hard to judge my neighbor for how

694
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 3: they're spending the little bit of money that they have

695
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 3: when I have to go back and look at myself

696
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 3: and say like, well, did I need to get my

697
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 3: nails done? Did I need to spend that five dollars

698
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 3: on my water? Thank you?

699
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: Alix?

700
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: Are you going to make me feel guilty about my

701
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: monthly pedicure?

702
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 3: Maybe?

703
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: Don't? Please?

704
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: No, No, Alex is the Catholic in the room. He

705
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 3: does the guilt you and I don't have to.

706
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: You're so right.

707
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,919
Speaker 1: He gives me crap about my peticure all the time.

708
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's worse things.

709
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: I give you a crap.

710
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 4: I'm not going to call you.

711
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 3: Out on the air.

712
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: I get the point. I was being playful. So how

713
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: slowly and how much change? When did you put in

714
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: this first? Or excuse me, when did you guys your

715
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: community form the first settlement? How many years ago?

716
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: Sacred settlement? Sacred settlement apologizes Sacred Settlement.

717
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: October twenty twenty.

718
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 2: Two, so we are just past three years.

719
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 3: Three years.

720
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: What a slow change look like three years later?

721
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 3: Well, first I want to tell you who lives there.

722
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: I love that.

723
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: It's six homes. Two of those homes are filled with

724
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,479
Speaker 3: intentional neighbors. One is a thirty something year old young

725
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: professional who plays orchestra. Another is nostention neighbors. I'm ano.

726
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 3: There is a husband and wife. He's an engineer, she's

727
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 3: a nurse. They've lived in the community for thirty years.

728
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 3: Gave up their three bedroom to bath house to live

729
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 3: in a tiny home in the community. Wow says it's

730
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: the best thing they've ever done.

731
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: People need a trophy on their little tiny man or.

732
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 3: You think that, you really think that. But the truth

733
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: is it enriches their life. It strengthens their relationship with

734
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: their adult son, It strengthens their marriage, it strengthens their

735
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: relationship with God. Like they are better humans. Three years later,

736
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: living there, and you.

737
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 4: Actually have a really beautiful line about like years ago,

738
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 4: I would have told you this is a homelessness ministry,

739
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: But now, yeah, I call it. Can you talk about that?

740
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is true. I think you know, just

741
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,399
Speaker 3: all those years ago, God saying it's time to look

742
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 3: at poverty in your own backyard. I thought we were

743
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 3: building a ministry for the homeless, and you know, fast

744
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: forward all these years later, I would say that we're

745
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 3: Our ministry is to the church, like this is for

746
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: the sake of the church, This is for the sake

747
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: of the sanctification of the church, like we need this.

748
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 3: We need the poor in relationship with us. We don't

749
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: need charity. We don't need, you know, a monthly soup kitchen,

750
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 3: or a coat drive or the food bank. All those

751
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: things are fine, but those don't change your soul.

752
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: If you knew how so closely you and I sing

753
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: after the seeing off the same sheet of music, you

754
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: would be shocked. I won't go into any more me.

755
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: This is about you, but it's refreshing for me to

756
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: hear you say the things you're saying, because these are

757
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: things I've been saying in a different way for years.

758
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: I could not agree with you anymore. Who are the

759
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: other four people?

760
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 3: Four homes are filled with people coming out of chronic homelessness.

761
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 3: On average, they were on the streets for ten years.

762
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: If this church hadn't stepped in and invited them home,

763
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 3: they would have died on the streets. There was no

764
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 3: other option. They are the most expensive to the public

765
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: because they cycle in and out of the emergency rooms

766
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: and detoc centers and jails because we make homelessness illegal,

767
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 3: most expensive to the public, with the least amount of

768
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 3: options available. This is the group of people that we

769
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 3: look away from, we step over, we're at the red light.

770
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 3: We see them holding a sign saying anything, anything, anything,

771
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 3: and we make all of our quick judgments they must

772
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 3: have done something wrong or the government is there to

773
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: help them, that's their role. They should just go get help.

774
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: What do you say before we go to who these are?

775
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: And then how this thing looks and the three year question?

776
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Because I do want to get back to that. I

777
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: think that's important for people to understand. I can't help

778
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: but chase the squirrel up a tree a little. I

779
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: always have at least a few bucks in my pocket.

780
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: I'm still okay. I'm old school. I don't do credit

781
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: cards with much. I'm still cash and carry. And I

782
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: live in inner City Memphis, and I work downtown in Inner

783
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: City Memphis, and I coach football and Inner City Memphis, and

784
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: my life is inside theop. The loop is the Interstate

785
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: Loop outside the suburbs inside. So in Memphis, when you

786
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: live inside the loop, you're in the city, right. So

787
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,240
Speaker 1: there's not a single day I don't come to rest

788
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: at a stop sign or a stop light where there's

789
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: not somebody with us on, or enter some kind of

790
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: store where there's not somebody.

791
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: I can't think of a day i'd been asked for

792
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 2: a dollar.

793
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I really am torn. It's not the dollar.

794
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: A dollar or even a five dollar bill really means

795
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: very little to me, really does mean very little to me.

796
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 2: Financially. But I don't want to be part of the problem.

797
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: And I feel like sometimes if you're giving money to

798
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 1: someone begging for money like that, that it's not going

799
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: to get them a shelter overnight, or get them something

800
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: good to drink or a decent thing to eat. But

801
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: more than likely it's going to be just another piece

802
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: of straw and the haystack of the drug epondemic in

803
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: this country.

804
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: And you know, the.

805
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: The continual desperation of the people caught in all of that,

806
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 1: And so I know it, you know, especially to you,

807
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: it really doesn't come from a point of selfless selfishness.

808
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: For me, It comes from a point of.

809
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: By giving this person money, am I not part of

810
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,959
Speaker 1: the problem?

811
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: Ultimately?

812
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 3: Sure? So what do you do?

813
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: And so what do you do?

814
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 3: What do you do?

815
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: Candidly? Sometimes it depends on my mood. Sometimes it depends

816
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: on how I'm approached and if i'm if I'm if

817
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm seeing someone I've seen telling them the same story,

818
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: doing the same thing over and over again, it's usually

819
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: a no. If it's someone I haven't seen before or

820
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: seems legitimately hungry, or indeed, I typically give it. I

821
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: have on occasions said no, gone inside and bought ten

822
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: dollars with food and gave him a sack. I've also

823
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: done that and watched people when I drove away throw

824
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: it down because they weren't interested.

825
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: Food and water?

826
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 3: Well, did you ask them what they wanted to eat?

827
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 3: We're coming to you and pick it out.

828
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: I have a couple times.

829
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 3: And they still were the ones to throw it away

830
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: after they picked it out.

831
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: Nothing.

832
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: But I've had people say, man, I'm starving, I'm really hungry.

833
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: Can you give me five dollars? And I'm like, no, man,

834
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: I can't. But then I'll go in and buy ten

835
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: dollars with food and I hand them a sack. If

836
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: you're hungry, here's some food. And then I have watched twice,

837
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: remember specifically twice I even bought. One time I was

838
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: going through the in Memphis. You can be going through

839
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: the drive through and they will literally walk up between

840
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: the restaurant and the drive through with your window down before.

841
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: I mean, there's the person taking your money and having

842
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 1: your food and they're five. You know, it's like a second.

843
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: It's like the homeless window against the.

844
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: Wall, you know.

845
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 1: And I have actually bought an extra hamburger or something,

846
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: and one time I watched that person take that brand

847
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: new hamburger in the sack and every look at it

848
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: and tossing the bushes, and I thought, you know, what

849
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: is the right answer here, you know, And I'm just

850
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: curious what you think the right answer is.

851
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think that there's a right answer. I

852
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: think it's being present in the moment and not hardening

853
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: our hearts toward it and saying like, what does this

854
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 3: moment require of me?

855
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

856
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:21,239
Speaker 1: I genuinely empathetically feel for every single person that's in

857
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 1: that state. That is somebody's son or daughter, that is

858
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: somebody's brother or sister or uncle or cousin, and and

859
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: that is somebody you know, Christ made. And I do

860
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: feel empathy. I haven't hard in my heart, but I do.

861
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: And candidly, you know, when people are coming through my

862
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: town that I'm really proud of and they stop to

863
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: get gassed and they get you know, hit up for money,

864
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: I mean, what does that say about our community and

865
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: our our our our city, our society. I really do.

866
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 1: I struggle with the emotion of you know how on

867
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: a personal level to respond to it all, I really do.

868
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 3: I think that struggle is good. I think don't try

869
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 3: to get out of the uncomfortability too quickly. That uncomfortability

870
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 3: is is the Lord's stirring something and saying something, even

871
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: your own soul saying something to you. And it's like,

872
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: will I be inconvenienced for another human another human? That sure,

873
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 3: maybe I don't like the way that they're asking, or

874
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: I don't know how they're going to use this, or

875
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 3: I feel, you know, we can create all sorts of

876
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: judgments to build a barrier between me and them, but

877
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 3: they are human, And will I stop? Will I look

878
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 3: them in the eye and say, hey, sister, hey brother,

879
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 3: what do you really need right now? Do you need

880
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 3: a meal? Then let us go together and go and

881
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 3: find that together. Do you need a cigarette? Do you

882
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: need do you need something to take away the gnawing

883
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 3: pain of trauma in your mind? Right now? How can

884
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 3: I help you? I think that empathy is very inconvenient,

885
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: and I think we have we try to keep as

886
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 3: much inconvenience out of our lives. But stopping for someone

887
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 3: it's inconvenient, it's costly, and it's risky, and we are

888
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,839
Speaker 3: called to do those things.

889
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: I think that's the best answer I've ever heard of

890
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: the question.

891
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: Honestly, I've asked the question probably ten different times the

892
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: last three years of guests, and I think your answer

893
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: is probably the best. Tell me about the other four people,

894
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: the unintentional Well, they're all intentional, but you know what

895
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 1: I mean, the other four people in the first house group.

896
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's five people in four homes. Three are

897
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 3: individuals and one is a couple. When you are kind

898
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 3: of deemed chronically homeless by the federal government, you are

899
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: most often an individual or a couple. By this time,

900
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 3: you're probably not a family unit anymore. That family unit

901
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: has split apart, kids have been taken away doesn't mean

902
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:14,760
Speaker 3: that we don't want kids to be reunited with their family,

903
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 3: but likely they're never going to move back in. Our

904
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 3: hope for them was that they would be reunited to

905
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 3: still be mom, to still be dad, and to have

906
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 3: a healthy place to come and visit and play and

907
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 3: have celebrations and birthdays and games. But it's often individuals

908
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: and couples. So we build homes for one and two

909
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 3: one person homes and two person homes, and then homes

910
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 3: for intentional neighbors that can look like individuals, couples, or families.

911
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 3: We have all three of those those neighbors that are

912
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: coming from you know, resource backgrounds, choosing to live in

913
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 3: the community as a good neighbor. We are We're calling

914
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,359
Speaker 3: the American church to look at the chronically homeless, look

915
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: at the hardest house, look at the most expensive to

916
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 3: the public, look at those with the least options available,

917
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: Look at those who otherwise will die on the street

918
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: if we don't step in. Because the chronically homeless make

919
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 3: up about twenty percent of the overall homeless population, using

920
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: up about eighty percent of the public resources. Because it's

921
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 3: very costly for us to look away, we are leaving

922
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 3: people on the very margin of survival, and we give

923
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 3: them just enough to just keep surviving for one more day.

924
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 3: What an awful way to live. Why not pull people

925
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: as far back from that cliff edge as possible and

926
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 3: into the center of a community that is trying to

927
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 3: carry each other's burdens and trying to love each other

928
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 3: as God loves us, and trying to look more like

929
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: Jesus in our very lives. What will that look like

930
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 3: for their lives? Will change the church, It does change

931
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: the church, and it changes our neighbors. Three years in

932
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 3: I said it's slow work. It is slow work. We're

933
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: rebuilding trust.

934
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 2: Years and years and years of trauma.

935
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,760
Speaker 1: Don't go away within a week of getting a tiny

936
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: house just because you've got a tiny house.

937
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: I get it.

938
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: This is not a fix it model. This isn't okay.

939
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 3: You know, come and be healed in two years and

940
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: then move on to something else. It's like move on

941
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: to what no Come and find belonging here, Come and

942
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 3: be settled here, Come and grow deep roots here, Come

943
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 3: and be stable. Rebuild trust with yourself, with God, with others. Hey,

944
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: if mom began drugging you at the age of two

945
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: and pimping you out you have trust issues. Wow, and

946
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 3: that is a real story, but not one of the

947
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 3: extreme stories.

948
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: All of our neighbors, that's not an extreme story.

949
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 3: All of our neighbors come from such extreme abuse, from

950
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 3: childhood abuse, neglect, lens, a profound and catastrophic loss of family.

951
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 3: It will take the rest of their lives to heal

952
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 3: from that.

953
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: Would you say, what percent of homeless what percent of

954
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: people experiencing homelessness in the United States come from one

955
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 1: of those three things?

956
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 3: You just said one hundred percent of people in chronic homelessness.

957
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 2: Which represents how many of them.

958
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: About twenty percent of the homeless population.

959
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 2: Okay, what about the other.

960
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 3: Eighty other eighty are are where we hear like, I'm

961
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 3: just a paycheck away from being homeless, kind of episodically

962
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: homeless almost for a little bit, but then can get

963
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 3: back into something or kind of uh, you know, just

964
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: homeless for a moment. Do just need kind of a

965
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 3: leg up, need help with rent or that way.

966
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: If those are not the people we typically see on

967
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 1: park benches and stuff, it's the chronically homeless that we're

968
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: talking about.

969
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 3: That's who we're talking about.

970
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: That's who And you're saying one hundred percent of them

971
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: come from a lack of family and typically some pretty

972
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:04,280
Speaker 1: dire abuse and trauma that some of us can't even fathom.

973
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I wouldn't just say a lack of family,

974
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 3: because I do have a breakdown a profound loss in

975
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:18,240
Speaker 3: some way. Right. You know, I don't know your story,

976
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 3: but having gone through five divorce a mom who got

977
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 3: married and divorced five times, that sounds like a profound

978
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: loss of family.

979
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: Now, fortunately, fortunately it wasn't nowhere near his diars.

980
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 2: What you're talking about, really.

981
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: Well, what makes you different from one of our neighbors?

982
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 2: Like?

983
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 3: What made what? Like? Why did your life sss?

984
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: A loving grandparents and a mother that had no addiction

985
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: or any problems and absolutely no abuse in the home?

986
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: That's it? You had. You had, you had strong resiliency factors.

987
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 2: And my mother.

988
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: Worked every day and kept a roof over my head

989
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: and kept me in school and loved me and everything else.

990
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: So I didn't have any of that. Yeah, I can

991
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: see how that can happen.

992
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 3: Imagine if mom had been abused, she was just an

993
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: abused woman, and the grandparents weren't in the picture, what

994
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 3: would childhood have looked through?

995
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: I get it, And.

996
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I hate the victimization of able bodied

997
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: people as an excuse. That's a whole other conversation. But

998
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: if we're talking about the twenty percent of people experiencing

999
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: homelessness that we define as the chronically homeless, and if

1000
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: the data says one hundred percent of them had a

1001
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: profound loss of family and were victims of abuse, neglect, trauma,

1002
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: and everything else, the truth is these people see on

1003
00:57:53,880 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: the park bench are most likely victimized, and the victimization

1004
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: continues day after day after die.

1005
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you meet someone, you meet a woman that is

1006
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 3: in chronic homelessness. There, it's it is almost certain that

1007
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: she's been raped many times on the streets and often

1008
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 3: came from a childhood of sexual abuse.

1009
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:23,959
Speaker 2: Like did you see it all the time?

1010
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 3: All the time I met a woman on the streets,

1011
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 3: she had been homeless, she'd been kicked out of her home,

1012
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: she'd been on the streets for three days, she'd just

1013
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: been raped, and met her right after.

1014
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 2: That three days.

1015
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, life on the streets is really brutal, and it's

1016
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 3: not helpful if we continue narratives that like people just

1017
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 3: choosing this, they just want this, Maybe they know nothing better,

1018
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 3: and they might maybe maybe somehow you're hearing that, But

1019
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: nobody chooses a life of suffering and pain and being

1020
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: unloved and unwanted. Every human being wants to be loved

1021
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 3: and known.

1022
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: So what does three years later look like for the

1023
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: four non intentionals?

1024
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 2: I think?

1025
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: Am I using the right word?

1026
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 3: You called the intentional neighbors? Yeah?

1027
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 1: Intentionally, the four people who formally experience homelessness.

1028
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: I'm trying to say it right. But tell me what

1029
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: three years later looks like for them?

1030
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: Three years later for our neighbors coming out of homelessness,

1031
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 3: there are five of them, and so three individuals and

1032
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 3: a couple, and their lives look better. Their lives look

1033
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: We don't require people to be sober before they move in.

1034
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 3: We don't require them to shape up and get their

1035
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 3: life together in a certain amount of time. We just

1036
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 3: love people on their healing journey, and turns out that works.

1037
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,320
Speaker 3: You know, for anyone that doesn't believe that there's incredible

1038
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 3: research out there, there's a Ted talk called Everything you

1039
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 3: think you know about Addiction is wrong. It's seventeen minutes

1040
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: worth every minute to watch and to just see the

1041
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 3: research around around them substance use. So again another narrative

1042
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 3: that's just not helpful. If we just continue to perpetuate.

1043
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: If people want this, they're just stuck in their addiction.

1044
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 3: Nothing's going to change. We're just enabling them. Well, have

1045
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 3: you tried love?

1046
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: That's interesting? So what's next.

1047
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 3: We planted our second Sacred settlement on the heels of

1048
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 3: the first in December of twenty twenty two, so we

1049
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 3: at a completely different context. So the first is in

1050
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 3: it's an urban area. It's a small conservative church. At

1051
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 3: the time we met them, they were under resourced. Three

1052
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 3: years later they are no longer under resourced. Then second

1053
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 3: Sacred settlem is it a first ring suburb. It's at

1054
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 3: a progressive Lutheran church that's been around forever, liturgical, affluent, white.

1055
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 3: Very different. If you look at the first two churches

1056
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 3: that we plant sacred settlements, there's nothing nothing similar.

1057
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 4: You should pause on that of why they're not under

1058
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 4: resource anymore.

1059
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, So three years later, both congregations are experiencing an

1060
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 3: increase in attendance, an increase in engagement, and an increase

1061
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 3: in tithing.

1062
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: As you said, what you found out is you're not

1063
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: really serving just the homeless.

1064
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 2: You're serving the church itself.

1065
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 4: Oh I found your quote. It was so good. All right,

1066
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 4: so you said somewhere tell me what I said. Yeah,

1067
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 4: it was better than what you said in our interview. Jeez,

1068
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 4: you said. Uh, yeah, we're no longer just homelessness. We

1069
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 4: say that we're on a mission to cultivate home in

1070
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 4: a homeless world because we believe that actually all of

1071
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 4: us have some homelessness in us.

1072
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1073
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: That's a good quote.

1074
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah.

1075
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: So the Lutheran Church.

1076
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 3: Lutheran Church, we're planting a sacred settlement at a megachurch

1077
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: in a third ring suburb, the most unlikely place. People say, Oh, like,

1078
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 3: there's no transportation out there. They wouldn't want to live

1079
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 3: out there, so far from social services. Actually, why did

1080
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 3: you move out to the suburbs?

1081
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to say, what makes you think

1082
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: they end Quotationans wouldn't want to live in a nice,

1083
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: safe area in the suburbs. That's all pretty any differently

1084
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: than you would want to live out there.

1085
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And what I love about the heart of this

1086
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 3: megachurch is that they're changing up the script. Megachurches in

1087
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 3: America are known for being performance centers. Destination centers, and

1088
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 3: they are saying, no longer will we do that. We

1089
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 3: will inhabit our land, we will inhabit our building. We

1090
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 3: will do this for the sake of the poor and

1091
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 3: the sanctification of ourselves.

1092
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: How many houses on that one twelve homes?

1093
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: Twelve? How many intentionals versus former homelessness.

1094
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 3: They'll be four? Is that right? For intentional neighbors or

1095
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 3: intentional households? Again, it can be an individual, couple or

1096
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 3: a family. We have all three and then eight homes

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Speaker 3: for the hardest house, most expensive to the public, with

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01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 3: the least amount of options. We're not cherry picking. We

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01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 3: are going after people that otherwise would die on the streets,

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01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:34,439
Speaker 3: and we're saying, come here, this is the best place

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01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 3: for you to be. The church is the place to

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01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 3: wrap around you do the people.

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01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious to the people that were formerly homeless that

1104
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: are in these communities now that I actually start attending

1105
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: church at that church.

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01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 3: Some of them do not like a Sunday service. No,

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01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 3: none of them. Well, actually, one of our neighbors the

1108
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 3: first year she moved there, she felt she felt compelled

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01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 3: to go to both services every Sunday, like she owed

1110
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 3: it to them, and they were like, we are not

1111
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 3: requiring this of you. This is not an expectation. She

1112
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 3: is not a believer, she identifies with the Native American community,

1113
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 3: but she would go to both services. The pastor is like,

1114
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 3: you're the only one in my congregation that comes to

1115
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 3: both services.

1116
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: I think it's also very very cool that you said that,

1117
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: And I'll read that somewhere that nobody's required to go

1118
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:35,400
Speaker 1: to the church. Nobody's you know, when I read that,

1119
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: I thought, good, like God do his thing.

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01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 3: Like God do his things, stay out.

1121
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 2: Of the way.

1122
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, same thing with like the substance use and mental illness.

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01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 3: If we were to tell people, Okay, you have to

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01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 3: be clean before you can come in here, you have

1125
01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 3: to be on your meds before you can come in here. Okay, Well,

1126
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 3: then we're just going to continue to keep the same

1127
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 3: people on the streets. Like how can they do that

1128
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 3: without being to feel safe and loved and have something

1129
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 3: to live for? Like, we need to give them that

1130
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 3: first and then let those things fall away, which is

1131
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 3: what we're seeing three years later, those things start to

1132
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 3: fall away slowly because they start to feel safe.

1133
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: For replacing the profound loss of family with the profound

1134
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: growth of a loving community, and over time, one by one.

1135
01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 3: Change yeah, and then one by one we change, our

1136
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 3: judgments fall away, our empathy grows, and we become more

1137
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 3: of who we've always wanted to be. And when we say,

1138
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 3: you know, this is your line, right, I wish someone

1139
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 3: were to do something about that.

1140
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, who's someone me? Right?

1141
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 3: I get to be a part of this. I don't

1142
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 3: have to. I don't have to be an intentional neighbor.

1143
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 3: I don't have to live in the community. I mean,

1144
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 3: that's a select few and they are called to do that,

1145
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 3: but there are hundreds of people that are part of

1146
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 3: those communities that are just coming for community dinners or

1147
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 3: just coming to have a faithful presence in the community. Hey,

1148
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 3: you're already gonna work from a coffee shop today, why

1149
01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 3: not work from the Sacred Settlement. Hey, you're already gonna

1150
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 3: make a good dinner tonight for your family, why not

1151
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 3: make a little extra and bring it to the Sacred

1152
01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 3: Settlement and have it there. Hey you're already gonna sit

1153
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 3: around and knit, why not do it in the common

1154
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 3: house of the Sacred Settlement.

1155
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

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01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: So it's interesting you said both congregations are actually continuing

1157
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 1: to grow.

1158
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1159
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 2: Do you think the sacred settlements are the reason?

1160
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:03,640
Speaker 3: Absolutely. The Lutheran Church was on a slow decline for

1161
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 3: thirty years before they planted the sacred settlement. Just like

1162
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 3: the Little Nazarene Church, the first sacred settlement had truly

1163
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 3: no business. Saying yes to a sacred settlement, no resources,

1164
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:18,720
Speaker 3: not very many people looked impossible. The Lutheran Church really

1165
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 3: had no reason to say yes to a sacred settlement either,

1166
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:25,280
Speaker 3: slow decline for thirty years, nobody had come into the community.

1167
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 3: They were on a slow hospice, living off an endowment.

1168
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 3: But God revealed himself as the God that is trustworthy. Hey,

1169
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 3: you can plant this sacred settlement and there will be

1170
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 3: people here in the next generation and the generation after

1171
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 3: that to take care of this. You can trust me.

1172
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: So who is it that settled the homelessness or the church?

1173
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 3: It's all of us.

1174
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. Yeah, I'll listened to you and start

1175
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: thinking about all of it.

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01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 3: Is there a third the third is at a megachurch?

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01:07:57,320 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: Tell me about that.

1178
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 3: So the megachurches third Ring suburb, white affluent, surrounded by

1179
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 3: you know, a pretty wealthy community. The community had struggled,

1180
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 3: really struggled. That neighborhood really struggled when they heard about

1181
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,920
Speaker 3: a sacred settlement coming into their community.

1182
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 2: I bet they fought it.

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01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 3: They fought.

1184
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: Struggled probably sounds like a sweet word for a whole

1185
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 1: bunch of people saying, don't bring these people into my

1186
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: high dollar neighborhood.

1187
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 3: Okay, they fought it, and they they you know, they

1188
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 3: had the means and the education and the resources to

1189
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,680
Speaker 3: do that, and so actually authored a bill at the

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01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: state level to dismantle all the work of settled.

1191
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: That's too bad.

1192
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: There's a federal law that says house as a worship

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01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 1: can use their land for whatever they want to, even

1194
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: put chickens on steakes, preach it for the for our

1195
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: friends in the a.

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01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 2: She remembered.

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Speaker 4: Just this week we inter released a Steven who went

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01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:56,679
Speaker 4: through this whole fight. She built a home for teenage

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01:08:56,680 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 4: moms in Colorado and she's actually a stand together atalyst too,

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01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 4: and she had a whole zoning fight, you know, over

1201
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,679
Speaker 4: this issue. And she probably wasn't aware of this law

1202
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 4: because it was on the church's property.

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01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 3: She needs to know about it. Yeah, churches get pushed

1204
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 3: around all the time. They have no idea. They don't

1205
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 3: know the strength, they don't know about the law, they

1206
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,479
Speaker 3: don't know the strengths as a well.

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01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, though, if they'd have won that,

1208
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 1: then they could have shut down the other two things

1209
01:09:19,439 --> 01:09:22,559
Speaker 1: you had. So you were looking at an existential crisis

1210
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: of settled.

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01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were. So this happened. So I went on

1212
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,640
Speaker 3: my first sabbatical in ten years in December, took a

1213
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 3: month off, come back in January. My first week back,

1214
01:09:35,400 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 3: I learned about this major opposition. Two hundred very angry people.

1215
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: That's what you get for taking a breaker.

1216
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 3: That's what I get. Yeah, that's totally what I get.

1217
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 3: And on my sabbatical, the Lord was talking to me

1218
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,759
Speaker 3: about growth. We've always imagined that this is a national movement.

1219
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 3: We want to help churches anywhere and everywhere across the

1220
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 3: nation plant sacred settlements on their land because we think

1221
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 3: this is good for them and good for their neighbors.

1222
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 3: And so I come back into work, made your opposition.

1223
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, hey, God, you said we were going to grow.

1224
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 3: And I sensed him saying, my church always grows under persecution. Rejoice.

1225
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 3: This is a time to rejoice. So we called our

1226
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 3: partner churches together for a time of repentance, worship, and rejoicing.

1227
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:26,280
Speaker 1: Yay, we're getting sued. There's the rejoice. Yay they're suing us.

1228
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: Let's rejoice. It's hard to do, is what I'm saying.

1229
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 3: Hard to do, Yeah, can be hard to do. But

1230
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,679
Speaker 3: when you know that you're on the side of God,

1231
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 3: you know that you're on the side of justice and mercy,

1232
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 3: easy to do.

1233
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:42,240
Speaker 2: Okay.

1234
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 5: So so we also called our community to six to

1235
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 5: seven weeks of prayer and fasting fast every Wednesday together

1236
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 5: because the.

1237
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 3: Our legislation, it's on Wednesdays, and you know, eleventh hour,

1238
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 3: the bill doesn't go through, gets completely killed, and the

1239
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 3: church moves ahead. There's complete unity in the megachurch, no split,

1240
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 3: no no internal opposition to the sacred settlement, complete peace.

1241
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 3: Watching the leadership of that church walk through this opposition

1242
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 3: was one of my greatest privileges. They spoke with such

1243
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 3: grace and humility and kindness, never spoke against the neighbors,

1244
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 3: never spoke a single ill word about them, prayed for them,

1245
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,840
Speaker 3: loved them, spoke kindly of them, and trusted that God

1246
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 3: was going to bring the neighbors. The neighborhood into the

1247
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 3: folds of this work. And so now the greatest opposers

1248
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 3: of the sacred settlement have now come and been are

1249
01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 3: now allies and advocates of the sacred settlement.

1250
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: How many houses there twelve homes, so you're up to

1251
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: thirty if I'm a math, right.

1252
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,200
Speaker 3: And then we just had a fourth church vote to

1253
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 3: plant a sacred settlement on their land.

1254
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: It's a small all same area.

1255
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 3: Same area. But we're also starting to work outside of Minnesota.

1256
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 2: Well, first fourth one.

1257
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 3: This fourth one is in Minnesota. It's that another neighborhood church,

1258
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 3: a Wesleyan church. They likely you know, put half a

1259
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 3: dozen homes on their land. That's kind of what the

1260
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 3: land can handle and what the neighbor or what the congregation,

1261
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 3: the size of the congregation would be right the right scale.

1262
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 3: Now we're working for the first time outside of our state,

1263
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 3: working with churches in Michigan and also Washington. And then

1264
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 3: there's several cities that have come to us where there's

1265
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 3: community organizers saying, we want to see sacred settlements in

1266
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 3: our city. Will you come and talk with our city

1267
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 3: and and so that we can gather our church leaders

1268
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 3: together and talk about this with the hope that the

1269
01:12:58,160 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 3: first church or the first three church will rise up

1270
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,240
Speaker 3: and say yes to hosting a church a sacred settlement

1271
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:05,919
Speaker 3: on their land. The beautiful thing about a sacred settlement

1272
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 3: is that, Okay, one faithful church says yes to hosting

1273
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 3: it on their land. And that can look like an acre,

1274
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,599
Speaker 3: eight acres, fifty acres. You know, we have all three.

1275
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 3: It can look like in an urban core, in a

1276
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 3: first ring suburb, or a third ring suburb. We have

1277
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 3: all three. It can look at a really really under

1278
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 3: researched church, a church that lives on an endowment, or

1279
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 3: really well resourced church. We have all three. It can

1280
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 3: be conservative or somewhere in the middle, or progressive. We

1281
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 3: have all three. God is literally showing us, hey, I'm

1282
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 3: not Baptist, I'm not Presbyterian, I'm not Lutheran. I might

1283
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 3: be a little Jewish, but I can do this anywhere

1284
01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,040
Speaker 3: where my people say yes to radical hospitality. I can

1285
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 3: do this anywhere. This just says this is I've already

1286
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 3: said yes to this. I already want to see this

1287
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 3: in the world. You just get to say the amen.

1288
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 3: Can we live lives of God's Amen? Can we say

1289
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 3: amen to the things that he already wants to see

1290
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 3: in the world, and then he will do it.

1291
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: It's phenomenal that we're having this conversation and the first

1292
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: thing opened in twenty twenty two. We're not talking about

1293
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: something been going on forever. No, this is you're still

1294
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 1: in the infancy of this thing.

1295
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 3: Maybe, but remember this started with research a lot of

1296
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 3: years ago.

1297
01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 1: Oh no, that's what I'm saying. I was just about

1298
01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:35,160
Speaker 1: to say. But it really is formed from a twelve

1299
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: year old who went to Guatemala, all the way from

1300
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 1: a confused participant in a doctoral problem in Minnesota in

1301
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: the years between. Yeah, I mean, it really is. It

1302
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: took all of that education, knowledge, experience, and faith to

1303
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,920
Speaker 1: even get to what started in twenty twenty two. But

1304
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty two, you're already talking about thirty existing

1305
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 1: home and another six on the way, and cities from

1306
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: all over the place reaching out. Alex often comments, we do.

1307
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: We've highlighted I don't know five to ten different organizations

1308
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 1: that approach foster care in many different ways, all have

1309
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: been effective.

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Speaker 4: All Right, you often butcher it. You and me, what

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Speaker 4: can I say it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And Alex often says.

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Speaker 4: So there's four hundred thousand kids in foster care, one

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifteen thousand of them could be adopted today

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Speaker 4: their parental rights have been fully terminated. And there's almost

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Speaker 4: four hundred thousand houses of worship in the country. So

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Speaker 4: just one person and one out of every three of

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Speaker 4: them adopted an orphan, there wouldn't be any orphans in

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Speaker 4: America today.

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Speaker 1: So let's use that math. If every church had six

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Speaker 1: houses on their property, would almostness. Chronic homelessness is eradicated.

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Speaker 3: Oh completely, by a long shot. We actually only need

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Speaker 3: every every two churches to lift one person up off

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Speaker 3: the streets. We have about one hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 3: people experiencing chronic homelessness that's probably under like under reported,

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Speaker 3: and then we have about three hundred and fifty thousand churches,

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Speaker 3: not including home churches, and.

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Speaker 1: So there's nothing to say the synagogues can't do this

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Speaker 1: or moss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, now, you know we're all called to

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Speaker 3: love our neighbors.

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Speaker 2: Any house of worship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So the point is if one of three did this,

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Speaker 1: we eradicate chronic commerce even.

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Speaker 3: Less than that, because they're not just going to have

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Speaker 3: one freestanding tiny home that's not a community right, so

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Speaker 3: we really.

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Speaker 1: That's right, I'm doing the math wrong. It's fifteen percent

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Speaker 1: ye us six times. Yeah, it's fifteen percent of the

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Speaker 1: house is worship in the United States. Put up a

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Speaker 1: six tiny home community.

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Speaker 3: We've eradicated one of the most wicked problems in our

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Speaker 3: society and expensive.

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Speaker 1: If you don't care about it from a pragmatic standpoint,

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Speaker 1: think of what that does for society.

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Speaker 3: And we've added one hundred and fifty thousand new units

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Speaker 3: of affordable housing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'd vote for you for Secretary of Housing

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Speaker 2: and Urban Development.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: And it's not all these one these churches, wo do

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Speaker 4: it either?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: With your first sacred settlement, the other churches in the

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Speaker 4: community help pay for each of those houses, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the churches of the sacred settlements themselves. You know,

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Speaker 3: if they have the means to be able to put

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Speaker 3: money into the project, great. If they don't, that's fine too.

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Speaker 3: At all of our sacred settlements, almost every one of

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Speaker 3: the homes are sponsored, paid for, and built by another

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Speaker 3: church in the community because maybe another church says, you know,

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Speaker 3: we don't have the land for this, or we don't

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Speaker 3: have the culture for this, but we also we want

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Speaker 3: to help get in the game of responding to chronic homelessness.

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Speaker 3: So we can lift up one person off the streets

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Speaker 3: through one home, and then because they're on wheels, they

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Speaker 3: can actually build the home on their church property, so

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Speaker 3: that over you know, nine weeks or twelve weeks, they

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Speaker 3: can start to show their congregation, you know, from trailer

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Speaker 3: all the way to fully built home. How they're adding

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Speaker 3: one new unit of affordable housing and lifting one of

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Speaker 3: the hardest house, the most expensive to the public, off

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Speaker 3: the streets.

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Speaker 1: And the crazy spin that makes this curveball really break

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Speaker 1: is your unexpected revelation of what it's doing for the

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Speaker 1: church itself. Yeah, that's incredible. I mean, we we do

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Speaker 1: talk about as Christians declining membership in churches to declining

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Speaker 1: Sunday worship, declining engagement, small groups and Sunday soool class,

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Speaker 1: declining engagements and youth programs.

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Speaker 4: And giving only there's one point nine percent of their

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Speaker 4: disposal income to charity, far away from tithing.

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Speaker 1: But the churches that are doing this, you're experiencing growth. Yeah, phenomenal.

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Speaker 4: Are you living in one of these settlements.

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Speaker 3: I do not live in one of these settlements. We

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Speaker 3: live at the settled homestead.

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Speaker 4: I saw does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So settled Homestead is a place of gathering and training.

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Speaker 3: So we see ourselves as a national organization, and you know,

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Speaker 3: we also are building an ethos and a culture. It's

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Speaker 3: not just tiny PLoP tiny homes on land, but it's

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Speaker 3: and it's not a program, it's a lifestyle. And it's

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Speaker 3: like in a redemptive model, everyone wins the land, the animals,

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Speaker 3: the people, the buildings. So how do we think about church,

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Speaker 3: the church, how do we think about how this all

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Speaker 3: works together? So the settled Homestead is a full expression

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Speaker 3: of what we imagine in the world and how things,

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01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:00,799
Speaker 3: you know, an ecosystem of how it all works together.

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Speaker 3: And then we invite church leaders that are discerning a

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Speaker 3: sacred settlement to come and stay with us for a

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Speaker 3: three day intensive and then we go and take field

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Speaker 3: trips to the different sacred settlements and show them, you know,

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Speaker 3: the various pieces of this. And then on their last day,

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01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:18,639
Speaker 3: we do a dreaming session about their sacred settlement and

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01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 3: how they can imagine propagating and bringing this back to

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Speaker 3: their community.

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Speaker 1: Marketing and development, that's what that is, marketing and development,

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01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:35,800
Speaker 1: but at a very faithful manner. All right, somebody's gonna say,

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01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 1: I gotta find out what do you settled dot com?

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01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: What do people go to set settled dot org. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: settled s E T T L ed is.

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Speaker 3: It's a great domain. I know, like eight years ago

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Speaker 3: I saw that.

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Speaker 1: When I started reading it and I saw the title,

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Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, you hit that on the

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Speaker 1: now and.

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Speaker 4: You have really beautiful pictures on there or they look

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01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 4: like I don't know if you had a chance to

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01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,120
Speaker 4: watch the video five minute video that is on your

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01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 4: website but also on YouTube shows really put.

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Speaker 1: That up on our stuff all way?

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01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 2: The video? All right, so settled dot org.

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01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and everybody, it's happy cheese gay Brielle. See I

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01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 1: did it. If somebody wants to reach out to you, can.

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Speaker 3: They Sure, Gabrielle at settled dot org. That's it.

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01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: And remember you're speaking to a doctor, so mind your

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01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 1: manners if you reach out to her. Smart woman. That's right, dude,

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01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:40,200
Speaker 1: you're cool. I really really really like your whole thing.

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01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: I wish more people were not just listening but watching

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01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: the doc has a very very very bright smile but

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01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 1: quite discerning eyes, and I think she's uh summing things

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01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: up as she goes along pretty much all the time.

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01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 1: Is the feel I get from you? And Wow, what

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01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: an amazing faithful journey you and John John David.

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Speaker 2: What are your children's names and how are they?

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01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 3: We've got Ophelia, Abigail, Fiona and Pearl. Ophilia is eleven,

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01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:23,000
Speaker 3: Abigail eight, Fiona five, b b fio and Fiona's five

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01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:25,280
Speaker 3: and Pearl is two.

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01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: Where are these names come from? These are all creat name?

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Speaker 4: What's your bag?

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01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: I mean, what's up with the name l Yeah, I'm

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01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,240
Speaker 1: gonna label you. No, Really, are the names just whim

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01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: names that you just get? You and John David just

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01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:41,519
Speaker 1: liked or what When.

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01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 3: We were pregnant with our fourth with Pearl, and we're like,

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01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 3: we're gonna have a fourth daughter, what are we posibly

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01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 3: gonna name her? We truly we realized that if you

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01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 3: look at kind of the meaning of the first three

1449
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 3: girls names, it literally means father, son, and Holy Spirit,

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01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 3: and we had no idea, so we named Pearl pure.

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01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:02,759
Speaker 2: But with fourth you're out of the trinity.

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01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 3: So now your pearl with the Pearl of great price.

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01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,439
Speaker 3: So just like the Kingdom, you know what else has

1454
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 3: got it? The others in the Holy Spirit Kingdom, come,

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01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 3: Holy Spirit, got it.

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01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna get pregnant again. You're gonna have to go

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01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 1: into something else. I know what's the pearly gates in Latin?

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01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:21,559
Speaker 1: I wonder, I don't know.

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01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:26,040
Speaker 4: Hey, for people listening, if you belong to a church,

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01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 4: send this episode to people out your church.

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01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:28,960
Speaker 2: The pastor.

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01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how this happens is we.

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01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 4: Don't go to church. You know people who go to church,

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01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:33,599
Speaker 4: and send.

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01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 2: It to them.

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01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, what did we say? Fifteen percent of churches

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01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 3: need to say yes to this? You're you're it, say yes.

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01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:41,959
Speaker 3: If you're hearing this and you fift.

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01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 2: It's not only fifty per cent need to.

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01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,200
Speaker 1: If fifteen percent say yes to this, frontic homelessness is

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Speaker 1: over in these cities, and come on, the money and

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01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 1: resource and handwringing we do over it, suffering and suffering

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01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 1: for everybody involved. Here's a sir, Yeah fix it. Yeah,

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01:24:02,200 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: government's not involved, made a really cool law that helped

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01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 1: us out. That's a lot of thanks God, thanks dudes.

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01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, the bigger change is actually us though there's more

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01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 4: more of us house people.

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01:24:13,560 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 3: Yeah right, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Cloudis you're a cool person. I love your story.

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01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing it with us, Thanks for coming to

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01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: Memphis and Save Tripe.

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01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:26,799
Speaker 3: Hey. Thanks, it was really generous of you to invite

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01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 3: me on to this show to have me out. And

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01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:32,720
Speaker 3: I love the mission of what the vision that you

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01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 3: see of like, hey, what is what is an army

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01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 3: of normal people? What can we do?

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01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 2: We can do everything?

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01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can do it. We can fix it all,

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01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:41,360
Speaker 3: yeah we can.

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01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 2: And your proof.

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01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. Thanks, and thank you for joining

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01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,800
Speaker 1: us this week. If doctor Gabriel Cloudis has inspired you

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01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: in general or better yet, to take action by exploring

1495
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,479
Speaker 1: a sacred settlement for your church, sharing this episode or

1496
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: their Settled's website with your church and other churches, donating

1497
01:25:08,360 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 1: to Settled or something else entirely, please let me know.

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01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 1: I really do want to hear about it. If you'll

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01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 1: just write me at Bill at normal Folks dot us,

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01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: I will respond. And if you enjoyed this episode, please

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01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: share it with friends and on social subscribe to the podcast,

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01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:30,680
Speaker 1: rate it, review it, join the army at Normalfolks dot us,

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01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: any and all of these things that will help us

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Speaker 1: grow an army of normal folks.

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Speaker 2: I'm Bill Corney. Until next time, do what you can do,