WEBVTT - The Glorious Sons 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:13.400 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to Bob Left Podcast. Today we 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.240 are going to get to the bottom of the band, 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.200 but Gloria's son. We have the whole team here. Let's 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.160 start it. This is audio, so everybody's gonna describe and 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:24.799 you can't see. But let's start at this end of 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:29.520 the table. Nick Hadaway BMG Records, head of promotion. Okay, 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:34.479 Jason Murray glorified babysitter slash manager of these young men, 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:41.040 j Emmon's assistant babysitter. Okay, you're in the band, okay, 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:45.240 bred Emmon's baby. Okay, you're the you're the lead singer. Okay. 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.360 You played last night at the ol Ray. What was 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:54.240 going on there? Why was everybody there? Um? I don't know. Okay, 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:56.840 let's say you're a band from Canada. My research says 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.840 you're not getting any terrestrial radio play in Los Angeles, 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.119 So what was bringing people to the show? I would 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.200 say the live show we played in l A how 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:11.200 many times? Now? Three? Three? Yeah? Would you wed you 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:16.200 played before the l Ray's remember the Roxy Roxy door? Yeah? 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:22.360 What was that Roxy? What? You played the will Turn 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:24.560 before you played the l Well, it's a live nation 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:27.240 building I guess that's why are you now? You open 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.039 for the Stones? Right? How many gigs did you do 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:32.520 with the Stones too? Okay? Because the guys who are 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.679 the promoters of the Stones were there last night and say, hey, 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.000 you know from a g that, uh you're one of 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:43.679 their acts. Okay, So you found there was an increase 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:47.360 in audience each time you played in l A. Yeah, 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:51.440 we never we haven't come here and played on our 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:56.000 own backs and three years. So so this is kind 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:58.640 of like a I couldn't tell you that there's a 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:02.800 I wouldn't know you know what the increase would be 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.120 because usually we come here and open for other bands. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:09.799 Who have you open for the Struts? Uh? Welsh Arms? 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:13.040 We headlined the roxy last time we're here? Shows you 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.120 how much I know. Okay, let's go back to the beginning. 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:21.720 You're from Canada, how does the band begin? Um? Well, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.240 I actually had moved out to Halifax to start the 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.440 band with Great A lot of people are Americans. They 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:32.640 know nothing about anywhere other than America. So where where 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:36.080 was your born? As Cheech and Chunks at Kingston, Ontario? Kingston, 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.800 Ontario for those who are ignorant, how far from Toronto? 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:42.880 Two hours? Okay? And you grow up in that environment. 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:47.920 What's Kingston like for someone who's never lived there? Small town, quaint, 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:51.480 little college town. Okay. What your parents were for a 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:55.680 living count welder and employed? And how many kids in 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.040 the family? Three? Okay, and you're we're in the high 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.720 from the oldest. We have a middle brother, Dustin, and 0:03:01.760 --> 0:03:08.120 then there's Brett Young. Okay, so you grow up in 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.080 a house. Your father is an accountant, as he's playing 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:13.240 a lot of music. He's a welder actually, but no, 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.080 nobody in our family was musical for us. Okay, what 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.800 I thought he did? I get it wrong about account 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:21.680 Your mother is an account Sorry about that. Okay. You 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:23.720 two guys are in the band, the middle person boy 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:25.800 or a girl boy? And what is he up to? 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:30.639 He's a contractor? Okay. So you're in Kingston. Are you 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:35.320 addicted to the radio? No? No, I used to wear construction. 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:37.680 I hated the radio. They play the same Okay, we 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.520 can look it up on the internet. How old are you? Okay? 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:43.600 So you hear that voice in in the band? You 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:50.000 do what? Play guitar? Play guitar? And you okay? So 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.800 then were you big music fans? So how did you 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:58.760 get into music, Dad, Dad and mom, Beach Boys and 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.720 John Cougar mellon camp. When we were really young, we 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.760 just put the cassette in and help me. Rondo was like, 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.440 you know, a hit going long road trips. And then 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.160 I developed my own taste eventually, but that's where it 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:16.320 all started. There's gigantic, like I don't even know what 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.239 to call it, like cassette holder, suitcase with cassettes. Okay, 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.480 So there was a lot of music in the home. Well, 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.920 there was music there, but it wasn't like it wasn't 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.480 like we were a music family. It was like you 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:28.159 get in the car and you put a cassette on, 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:29.960 like okay, Well, if you were home, you were not 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.440 on a road trip, would there be music playing because 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.720 of J. I would listen to music because of J, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.920 but not because of my parents. Okay, so your parents 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.520 would not be playing music. So were you were you? 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.560 How did you find out about new music? Good question, 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.920 You know the same way everybody else does. You Just well, 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:48.360 you know, you're younger than a lot of people the 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:50.760 old days. Baby, when were found out about on the radio, 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.880 gen X, MTV, about what your friends are doing, It's 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:59.080 like you know your friends listening to a Green Day learning. 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.200 When I come around on the guitar, you you're like, oh, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.760 that's cool, I want to learn that too, and then 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.279 it kind of like just snowballs like that. Okay, let's 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.400 start at the beginning. When do you pick up an 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.120 instrument that was probably grade five, grade six, so like 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:16.720 ten eleven, And what was the inspiration? My best friend 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:18.760 had a guitar, so I was like, dang, I want 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:20.880 one of those two. And what was your first guitar? 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:27.240 It was a Yamaha strat rip off type thing. It 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.320 really sucked, like had like the floating bridge locking tuning 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.039 things and I didn't even know how to use it 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.640 since it was black and Johnson had the red one. 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:40.039 Yeah yeah, and it I didn't even know how to 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:41.919 tune the thing and you literally had to get an 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.359 Alan key to actually unlock it. And like it was 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:49.039 it was a whole thing. Like Okay, who paid for it? Um? 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.520 Probably mom and dad. Okay, did you have any yamp? Yep? 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:56.440 What was the amp? It was massive PV keyboard amp 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.400 that would like blow the roof off the house on one. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.000 It was like it's like, I don't know who would 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:06.120 sell eleven year old kid to say, I have no idea. Like, 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.839 looking back on it, you're like, guy sold it to 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:13.640 it to us five d bucks and it's like it's 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.720 not even a guitar m first of all. And it's 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.039 the loudest thing I've ever heard. And you bought this 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.960 stuff new, were used used just from some guy you 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:25.360 found from my guitar teacher. He's a bit of a shyster. Okay, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.640 So did you start guitar lessons before you had this equipment? 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.440 What would what actually happened tell the story about your 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:38.040 guitar teacher. So like the first like literally three years 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.720 of my guitar lessons was learning uh whatever you like 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.359 you call notes, like yeah, the bell baby books. Yeah, 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.320 but it was like Jesus Loves Me and like jingle 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.000 bells and I'm going to guitar lessons and I'm for 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:55.520 three years. You didn't take a gat in another teacher. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:00.120 I just looked at I looked at my buddies and 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.320 like they're going on the internet and getting tableture and 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.240 playing like cool songs and I'm playing Jesus Loves Me. 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:10.000 I'm like Jesus. There's a massive disconnect here. He's a 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:13.080 quiet dude too, So he's not gonna say anything to anybody. 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:15.800 He's not going to tell him. I'm I guess I'm 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:19.320 persistent to a fault because I stuck with it and 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:24.200 you read music to this day. Hell no, okay, before 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.720 he sold you this loud amplifier and the rip off guitar, 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:32.240 what were you playing like music wise? No? No, what 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:33.960 did you use for a guitar? I don't have one 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.119 like that was the first That was the beginning. Okay. 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.040 So he sold you that stuff and then he gave 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:42.440 you the lessons. Yeah, and for three years you're learning 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:45.280 this religious stuff. You're not playing in any bands, You're 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:48.520 not learning stuff at home to cassettes or anything. I'm trying, 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.960 you know. But like I said, it's if you ever 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.240 pick up a guitar for the first time, it's not 0:07:55.360 --> 0:08:00.400 an easy thing to navigate. It wasn't for me anyway. Um, 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.000 everything everything Jay does is through brute for us, so 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.720 like it never comes fast to him like it would? 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:12.160 You agree with that? Absolutely? Okay? So when did it 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.440 click or is it still not clicked? Um? For guitar, 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.720 it's starting to click, you know. Um, I think it 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.280 started to click when I really like I used to sing, 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:27.640 so um, I would just lean on my buddy who 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.280 could do like all all the November rain solos. You know, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.440 he played guitar. I just strump the chords and sing 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.400 and we had a band, but it was more like 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.360 us having a drinking competition on stage. And then I 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.360 went and saw Brett's first band and I was like 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:48.600 Jesus Christ was like that that's a singer right there. Okay, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.920 but a little bit slower. So how long after the 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.920 three years do you start a band and hit the 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:59.240 stage or what? We had really shitty bands for years, 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:04.199 so like was always about starting things, but they sucked 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.800 you know. Um, so did you ever get paid for 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:09.880 being in these bands? You're just playing in the garage? Yeah, 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:14.880 we would get free booze sometimes. And what were you 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:18.319 up to? Well? I was like seven years old. I 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:20.600 was at their concerts thinking they were the greatest bands 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.720 of all time. I remember like being truly hurt when 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.800 somebody didn't like the band. I remember I remember them 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:31.559 playing and um, Kingston, there's this place called Confederation Basis 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:35.200 Basin and it's just like you know the park you know, 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.000 meant for like you know, events and stuff and they 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.360 put on shows there and I remember this, you know, 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.199 this guy that was in a band playing before them, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.920 this with you know, Space ear Rings is punk, you know, 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.120 I thought he knew everything. Was like just chirping my 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.680 brother's band like heavily. And I was like nine years old, 0:09:53.720 --> 0:09:56.160 and I fuck him, took him. I took him. I 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.160 took him to task. Really I hated him in my 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.640 whole life. Like I would meet people that, you know, 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.520 you Jay was playing rock and roll, okay at an 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:11.559 age when it wasn't cool to play rock. Yeah, okay, 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:16.160 but you're you got all these guys you know playing 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:19.640 you know, I have nothing against their music tastes or 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.280 what they're playing, but they there was a certain thing 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:25.760 in our in our town at least that the punks 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.360 always they always had this arrogance about them that everybody 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:34.360 else sucked. So you're separating the punks from rock and roll, yeah, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.000 and which isn't a real thing, but well no, it 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:38.880 is a thing if you get that deep. Absolutely just 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.160 want to make sure we get it straight. But in Kingston, Ontario, 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.400 my brother, my brother would be playing these shows and 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.360 he would be playing with punk bands and he'd be 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:49.280 playing rock and roll and they would always chirp them 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.960 and I was like a twelve year old kid and 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.800 I and I would always chirp them back. And I 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:56.400 was there at every show. They were my favorite band 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.520 on Earth. I didn't know how shitty they were. J 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.280 Jay tells me the ship they were shitty, but I 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:04.280 I when I was young. You were the younger brothers. 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.440 So how did you get into it? Him? Okay, Yeah, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:12.400 so how did you become a singer? Um, this is 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.440 a funny story. I got asked to join a band 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.320 and be the singer of the band because they knew 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:21.640 I was a psycho. So I and you were how old? Okay? 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:24.800 And had you sung like in school? The records? Nothing, 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.360 So they just based on your identity said you'd be 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:29.880 you'd be a good front man. Yeah, and uh. I 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:33.320 joined the band and we had like three practices and 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.440 then they stopped calling me, like and I was just 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.080 kind of like, what's going on here? And then I 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.880 found out like three or four weeks later that they 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:45.400 had invited another person to joined the band, and I 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.360 just kind of, you know, I was maybe, you know, 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.640 one of the first I don't want to say failures, 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.640 but you know, I felt very rejected as you. And 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.480 I was playing basketball with my friend Richard Storms, and uh, 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.200 he was like, yeah, I played the guitar, and I 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:07.040 was like, all right, well, let's start a fucking band 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.040 and beat these guys. So we went to his garage 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:15.440 and he started playing like guitar like slash, like at 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.800 least what I would. Yeah, and I was like, well, 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.360 I better learn to sing. So I took the guitar 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.480 and played weak Kings by a band called the Tragically 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:30.840 Hip and from Kingston, and Uh. I literally locked myself 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.720 in my room for five six hours a night and 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:39.319 sang that song, just that song, until it sounded good 0:12:39.360 --> 0:12:43.640 to myself. And after that was we wrote a song 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.880 called Rags and I never looked back. I wanted to 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:49.160 do that for the rest of my life. It took 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:53.280 over everything. Okay, were you any good in school? I 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.440 was good at English literature, but I was so you 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.120 were not like, you know, a Truan guy who's the 0:12:59.160 --> 0:13:01.360 problem in the clos room or anything. I was a 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.720 little bit of Uh. I was more of a joker. 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.080 I wasn't. I wouldn't say that I was a problem. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.959 I wasn't. It wasn't like a it wasn't a troubled 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:14.559 youth by any means, but like my teachers would get 0:13:14.600 --> 0:13:17.520 very annoyed with me unless it was English class because 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.000 I actually liked English class, so I listened. But okay, 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.320 and at this late date, are you like a big 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.000 reader or something? We all? Yeah, I mean Jay read 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.160 quite a bit. Jay reads more than night what oh 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:34.559 Jesus you name it like i've we we we we started. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:39.120 I started at least becoming an a real reader on Hemingway. 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.240 I really loved Hemingway. And then I mean, some of 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:46.160 my favorite books are like Comforter, Confederacy of Dunce. Is 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:51.920 uh just just fiction novels. Okay, so you start this 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.640 band and what do your parents say when they say 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:57.280 you want to be a rock and roller? Well, Jay 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:01.800 started the band and I joined, but I university literature, 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:04.200 and I called my dad and I told him I 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.160 was going to be a musician. And my mom didn't 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.160 talk to me for a couple of weeks, maybe more 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.000 after that, because you know, I just went online and 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:16.880 canceled all my courses and I didn't want to give 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:21.360 them a chance to talk me out of it. Um, 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.080 but I quit everything, and my dad said, well, you 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:27.080 better get a job. So I started working I call 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:32.280 it springs, a stockboy in the back women's shoe store 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:37.160 and played a bunch of terrible gigs for zero dollars 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.880 until I joined the Glorious Suns and then we started 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:43.600 making you know, the big bucks. Okay, just to be clear, 0:14:44.200 --> 0:14:46.680 the band with your friend, did you play in high school? 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:51.120 Did you play any gigs? Do you ever get pass? Yeah? Well, 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.560 we played as much as possible, like as much as 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.000 a high school band. Like, we played as much as 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:59.680 we possibly could. We had a fake manager that didn't 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.360 do it anything. I mean, we thought we were gonna 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:03.320 be the biggest band in the world, So I mean, 0:15:03.680 --> 0:15:06.280 any opportunity that came my way, we played. And that's 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.200 the way that it goes. When you're starting, you like 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.080 you just want to play your music. Okay, So how 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.680 long did you go to university? A year and a half. Okay, 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:18.040 At what point did you start this band? Were you 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:23.800 playing original material or as opposed to covers? As as 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.920 soon as I started playing in a band, all I 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.600 want to do is play original material. But usually when 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:34.000 you play original material, audiences are not interested. But I'm 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.480 a good front man. As you are. I saw, okay, Jay, 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:41.520 well he's going through these mental mashinations. What are you doing? Uh? 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.120 When he's at school? You mean did you go to university? 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.640 And how long did you go? For? Four years? So 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:50.960 you graduated and so you were not going to make 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:53.840 music your career at that point. Uh, well I had 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:57.800 a band almost always, like I always had something cooking 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.360 in the background. Um. I literally had no idea what 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.240 I wanted to do. But you always talked that you 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:07.760 actually did. That's not true. You always wanted to be 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.520 in a band. Yeah, your whole life. I can remember 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:14.120 you working and snapping and freaking out about like this 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.880 is not what I want to do. That like when 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:18.560 something clicked in my head when I was like twenty 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.960 eight years old, or whenever I started this, I was 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.960 like this, so today you're how old? And I was like, 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.600 this is my last shot to actually do something. So 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:35.320 that's bye, okay a little bit slower. So you you 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:38.760 were kind of like a semi pro musician and you 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.160 get really you graduated from college and you do what 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:47.720 for like the next six year contractor construction. Um, but 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.120 we still had a band then, like just playing around 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:55.320 Kingston and you saw his band and thought what I 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.080 was like, these high school kids blow us out of 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:02.680 the water. Not not a question, it's like you put 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:08.679 us back to back, like yeah, um yeah. But and 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.080 so I saw his band, and then my band kind 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:15.760 of broke up and fell apart, and then uh, we started, 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:18.080 Brett and I started like writing together. We did like 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:21.400 an acoustic project, and then the Stone Ponies. Don't forget 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:25.000 the Stone Ponies. We'll tell me about that. It was 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.840 the bass player from my band, Jay's roommate and oldest friend, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:34.760 Scott on the drums, Jay on guitars, and me playing 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:44.119 acoustic and singing, okay. And what happened with that band? Uh? Nothing, nothing, okay. 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.320 So how many years after you dropped out of university? 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.720 Was it before it became you looked up with your brother? 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.119 It was Glorious Sons. I dropped out of university to 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.919 join the Glorious Sons and being my brother's band. Was 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:00.760 it the Glorious Sons in name before Brett joined was 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:04.520 Pete Rose and the Gamblers. That's pretty good, especially Sins. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.040 Right now he Rose, I'm saying he's straightened out. He 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:08.560 should be in the band, but be in the Hall 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.480 of fame. Okay, I think you should too. Okay, So 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.280 it Pete Rose and the Gamblers. How does it become 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:20.240 the Glorious Sons, um packer and the band or drummer. Yeah, 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.720 it was just like, what about the Glorious Suns, And 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.240 we're all like, wow, it's better than Pete Rose and 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.520 the Gamblers. The only thing you know, when you talk 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:31.000 about rock, which is its own side show today, of 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.280 course people say there's the Rivals Son. No. I totally 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:36.760 agree with you. I wish we were never ever named 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.880 the Glorious Sons. I hate the name. If we were 0:18:39.960 --> 0:18:43.080 named something else, I could, I think we might have 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.680 more success. I honestly think that we would be less 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:50.119 looked at as like, uh, you know, bro rock and 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:52.520 roll band. I think if we had, you know, a 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:56.280 name with meaning at least, it would help. Okay. But 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:59.560 when you he said you're going to become the Glorious Sons, 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.159 will you air of the band the Rival Sons? No? No, 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.520 not at all. Okay, So suddenly it's the Glorious Sons 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.240 when you get together the two brothers. How many of 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.440 the people in the band are still in the band today, Uh, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:16.080 everybody except our original guitar player. What happened to him? 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:20.400 I didn't like the road? Okay, So when you start 0:19:20.520 --> 0:19:30.600 the band, you're twenty eight and Brett you are okay, Okay, 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.639 what are you thinking? Then? I'm thinking that we're going 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.199 to be the greatest rock and roll band. All right, 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:39.280 So you're delusional, but okay, what do you think it delusion? 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.800 You have to be delusional, but a lot of people 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.800 are not delusional from the get go, and you be 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.640 fud shedding a little bit, Jay, what are you thinking? Uh? 0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:50.840 I would rather go home and paint houses than not 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.680 strive to be the greatest rock and roll band on earth, 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.000 as soon as you don't want to wake up and 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:57.600 be the best and just go home. Okay. So now 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.480 you have the model because it tragically hip or from Kingston. 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.879 But once you form a Gloria's Sons, what is the 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:09.000 next step? Uh? Well, Brett literally he wasn't even the singer. 0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.359 He was the tambourine player. At first. He would just 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.040 jump up and but we play who was a singer? 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:20.120 And I sang and Andrew sing and but we noticed 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:24.040 that Brett playing the tambourine was much more engaging than 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.959 anything else on stage. So we started giving him more tasks. 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.679 So then he played piano, and then he started singing, 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.000 and then we started writing and then you know how 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:36.359 long did that whole process take a couple of months? 0:20:36.400 --> 0:20:41.280 Like by the time we put out our first record, 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.399 our producer was like, this guy needs to be singing 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.560 all the songs. Okay, a little bit slower. You now 0:20:47.680 --> 0:20:50.760 have the band there now called the Glorious Sons. Brett 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.320 starts out on the tambourine. How long before he becomes 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:59.760 the singer? H yeah, probably like like full time singers. Okay, 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:01.960 in that two years, when do you make the first 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:08.480 record throughout the whole time recorded or recorded? Probably a 0:21:08.560 --> 0:21:11.119 year and a half. Okay, in that year and a half, 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:15.320 are you are you playing live constantly? Where four times 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:19.120 a week in Kingston, Ontario? I mean, can you make 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:21.560 anybody playing four times a week? You know, we didn't 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.160 make any money, Like we made enough barely to cover 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.440 the bar tap. I remember being like getting paid, giving 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.320 it all back to the bartender and him being like, 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:31.639 give me your credit card because you got paid for 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:36.399 these assholes. They were just And then how many of 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:39.919 the songs did you play were originals? All of them? Yeah, 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:41.680 So when we started this band, that was the thing. 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:45.200 We're playing our own music right from the get go. 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.960 That was there was too many Like growing up in 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.199 a small town, a lot of the live entertainment is 0:21:51.760 --> 0:21:54.320 cover bands, right because you know, they know they'll they'll 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:56.720 get paid and you know they can make a better 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:59.800 living and it's more of a hobbyists kind of mentality. 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.840 But it you know, we kind of I didn't want 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.320 to do that. We wanted to be we want to 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.560 be Okay, so you're playing, you know, playing in Kingston 0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:12.680 for bar money and what what's the next step from there? Well, 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.600 then we just started getting any gig we could in 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:22.960 like Toronto, Ottawa. Who's getting these gigs? H Yeah. My 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.560 girlfriend at the time was even like calling places like 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:27.720 you know, it's like all hands on deck, whatever it takes. 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:30.200 Kind of men. You didn't have any agent, you didn't 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.760 have a manager of them. Okay, so you start playing Toronto, 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:36.879 you play Ottawa, any acclaim or you just go and 0:22:36.920 --> 0:22:41.639 that's it. Usually when we played, first of all, we 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:44.159 like to have fun party, so our friends would come 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:49.600 out and we didn't suck, so everyone had a good 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:51.800 time and they get hammered with us, we'd get hammered them, 0:22:51.840 --> 0:22:54.560 and all of a sudden, you know, he's slowly this 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:58.119 thing starts happening like one group of people at a time. 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:03.480 And Okay, what came first, the community or the recording? 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:08.960