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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, we are blessed

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Speaker 1: to be joined by a father who has lost custody

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Speaker 1: of his son over a gender dispute with the child's mom.

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Speaker 1: This is the nightmare scenario we've warned so many people about,

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Speaker 1: and so many people have said, this is impossible, this

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Speaker 1: stuff doesn't happen. And as we were talking just before

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Speaker 1: we started the podcast, we're hearing that this dad has

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Speaker 1: been contacted by other fathers who've had the same experience.

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Speaker 1: So Adam Vina is here to share his story of

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Speaker 1: the ongoing nightmare he's living because, as you can see

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Speaker 1: from his background, he's in the radical progressive world of California. Adam,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me on, and thank you for

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Speaker 3: wanting to hear my story.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 1: So you know absolutely, because we have talked about this

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Speaker 1: like this is what can happen, this is what will

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Speaker 1: start happening, and people have said, you're crazy, there's no

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Speaker 1: parent that's going to do this unless there's really the

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Speaker 1: child is really going through this, and and we're like,

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Speaker 1: how is a child at two telling you that they're

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Speaker 1: the wrong gender. But your son is just five. This

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Speaker 1: started when he was two, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. It started when he was two.

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Speaker 3: Me and my son's mother were separated at the time,

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Speaker 3: and I received a picture of him in a pink dress,

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Speaker 3: and I text her back and I told her, I said,

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Speaker 3: do not dress my son in girls' clothes just like that.

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Speaker 3: And I had thought it had stopped. I actually showed

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Speaker 3: he How can she do this to my son. He's

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Speaker 3: a boy. Why would she want to do this? And

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Speaker 3: I had thought it had stopped. And on my son's

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Speaker 3: third birthday, we were potty training him at the time,

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Speaker 3: and he went. He was very independent, so he went

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Speaker 3: to use the ressian by hisself, but he knew help

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Speaker 3: washing his hands. After we finished washing his hands, he

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Speaker 3: told me Daddy that he said, Daddy, mommy bought me

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Speaker 3: a pink dress. And I got down on one knee,

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Speaker 3: looked him in the eye and I told him, hey, buddy,

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Speaker 3: Daddy and him and I went back to cake and

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Speaker 3: ice cream, and a couple of days later it was

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Speaker 3: it was really stirring inside of me, and I sent

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Speaker 3: out text some text messages to her. None of them

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Speaker 3: were threats of violence. None of them were threats of

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Speaker 2: Do not dress my son and girls close. And within two.

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Speaker 3: Weeks she got a restraining a temporary restraining order put

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Speaker 1: What was the reason for that? I mean, just because

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Speaker 1: continue to do this, I mean, how did what did

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Speaker 3: From what I understand now, it was harassing her for

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Speaker 2: Knew what that could lead into the whole entire time.

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Speaker 3: Our relationship, it was always about power and control over

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Speaker 2: And that restraint in order.

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Speaker 3: That temporary restraining order lasted three years, which in the time,

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Speaker 3: the judge at of Pasadena ordered a gender assessment to

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Speaker 3: I was only allowed to have two FaceTime conversations with

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Speaker 3: Like I said at anfest that normally when a doctor

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Speaker 2: And in that time, they could never tell me.

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Speaker 2: I was denying that with the doctor.

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Speaker 1: So initially, when you started getting these pictures early on

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Speaker 1: Mom saying, no, Bayden is actually a girl? How did

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Speaker 2: There was no communication once I.

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Speaker 3: Once the tro got set in place, the communication completely

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Speaker 3: when I came to talking with the attorneys, no one

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Speaker 3: I said, I am in this kid's father, this is

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Speaker 2: And they have.

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Speaker 3: And I said, if you sat me down in this courtroom,

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Speaker 2: But because they.

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Speaker 3: Never asked me what I think is going on with

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Speaker 2: It has all been her input on this.

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Speaker 3: The assessment lasted ninety minutes, and in that ninety minutes

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Speaker 2: Diagnosis that the doctor did.

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Speaker 3: They spent three minutes with my son, and in those

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Speaker 1: Know, It's funny to me because actually I was just

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Speaker 1: And I went to the doctor and the doctor's like, well,

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Speaker 1: have their gender reassigned. And what does that look like

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Speaker 3: So there's no hormones on him at this time? I

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Speaker 2: They say, yes, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 3: So as far as me and my attorney know, the

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Speaker 3: puberty blockers are on the table, but they're not on

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Speaker 3: the table. But in my mind, sorry, in my mind,

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Speaker 3: the age that they can they can do it to him.

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Speaker 1: And he's five right now, so you have a little

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Speaker 2: Yes, so as of but go back to what you

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Speaker 3: Those doctors that treated treated your kid, they treated it

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Speaker 2: But with my son, they didn't do it. That way.

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Speaker 3: They went to a to Z with my son. They

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Speaker 1: But is there any type of when you're talking about

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Speaker 2: This on the child. None of that has ever been done.

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Speaker 1: Would you say Mom has ever suffered from any type

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Speaker 3: Now I know she suffered from anxiety in our relationship,

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Speaker 3: it's gotten completely out of control. Her new attorney, her

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Speaker 2: Her new attorney is funded by UH.

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Speaker 3: Her nonprofit is funded by children's hospital doctors that believe

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Speaker 3: And it again, it didn't spiral out of control until

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Speaker 3: her new attorney started in court referring to my son

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Speaker 3: by a girl's name. So this has been completely This

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Speaker 3: has been completely completely brainwashed onto my son. He's been

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Speaker 3: completely brainwashed by the therapists, by the doctors, by the mother,

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. When you break this down, these

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Speaker 1: is all coming from the same place. This is big business.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I hate to say that because that

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Speaker 1: Of course because she's an experiment that's gone wrong.

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Speaker 1: And I think that is why so many people are

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Speaker 1: He he was.

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Speaker 3: I asked my mom and dad every single day, his MI,

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Speaker 1: I cannot even imagine having no access to my child's

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Speaker 1: And who doesn't look at their mom and say, mom

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Speaker 3: I think that's the role as the parent is You're

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of challenge when a position of authority

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Speaker 1: because she would openly say to them, you're the problem

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but these are real issues. And if you are

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Speaker 3: They, in my opinion, they have absolutely destroyed my son.

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Speaker 3: My son was absolutely perfect when I had him. He

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Speaker 2: I didn't have to. I think I might have.

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Speaker 3: I've raised my voice at my son one time because

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Speaker 3: That that that that little boy was, Yes, that little

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Speaker 1: So why is there no way in these cases? Why

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Speaker 3: Because she's the gender affirming parent, if that makes sense

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Speaker 3: I always say I'm a gender I'm affirming my son's

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Speaker 3: and I'm affirming that he was a boy. But because

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Speaker 3: it's always been a hers excuse me, it's always been her.

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Speaker 3: So the system is thinking that they're doing good when

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Speaker 1: This isn't someone in their twenties, who I have argued

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Speaker 1: I just don't want to have hands with fingers anymore.

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Speaker 1: Why are we doing this. I don't believe that this

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's been my argument in court.

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Speaker 3: I said, my son doesn't know the difference between male

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Speaker 1: I just cannot accept this. You you are still learning

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Speaker 3: We were went six months in negotiations for to get

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Speaker 3: there has never been any neglect or any any abuse

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Speaker 3: And going back to the super I was I said, okay, fine,

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Speaker 3: We're going to give you a call. We've got a

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Speaker 3: great person line up for you for supervised visitations. I

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Speaker 3: would say, great, get me in contact, let's get the

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Speaker 3: ball rolling on.

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Speaker 2: This, and never ever stupid.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. You said, You're not the only

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Speaker 1: dad that's dealt with us. What other stories are you

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Speaker 1: hearing similar stories to yours?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got Harrison Tinsley up in the San Jose

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Speaker 3: area and his son is His mother said that his

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Speaker 3: son was non binary.

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Speaker 2: Again, I'm so new to this. I still don't understand

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Speaker 2: what these things mean.

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Speaker 3: But he lost custody, He didn't know about his son

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Speaker 3: for for fifteen months, and the mother was raising him

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Speaker 3: I believe to be a girl. He has now got

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Speaker 3: fifty percent custody of his son, but his son's mother

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Speaker 3: is still saying that he is non binary. And I

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Speaker 3: think his son is about the same age.

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Speaker 2: As my son.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, this is insane.

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Speaker 2: And then I've got another father that I spent forty

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Speaker 2: five minutes with on the phone.

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Speaker 3: I can't say. I need to make sure I got

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Speaker 3: to read his story again. But he's a he's a

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Speaker 3: he's a veteran. And again, I'm not gonna comment his

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Speaker 3: his story is is uh, this heartbreak is super heartbreaking

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Speaker 3: his daughter. So I have to read his story further.

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be talking to him this weekend to

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Speaker 3: get more of his story. And I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: get him on my.

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Speaker 2: On my Instagram. I'm not gonna do an Instagram live

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Speaker 2: with him too.

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Speaker 3: He he, he sounds, he sounds like he's in pretty

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Speaker 3: bad shape because of what they're what what they're doing

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Speaker 3: to his daughter, and it's it's heartbreaking.

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Speaker 2: I never thought i'd be put in this position. Two.

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Speaker 2: I never thought i'd be putting this.

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Speaker 3: I never thought I would have to fight for something

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Speaker 3: as basic as gender, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the craziest part here. I am fighting

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Speaker 1: for my child to just be able to live as

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Speaker 1: they are.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know.

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Speaker 3: I talked to another parent of in Canada. I mentioned

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Speaker 3: I mentioned this parent. He was in consent of consenting age,

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Speaker 3: but he had a bad breakup. He ran into a

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Speaker 3: girl who recommended a therapist. The therapist told him that

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Speaker 3: he was he was actually a girl born in a

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Speaker 3: boy's body. Within the day, he had cross sex hormones.

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Speaker 2: Within the day, and now I believe that his.

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Speaker 3: Private areas have been removed. They convinced him to take

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Speaker 3: to the surgery. And this is this is our brothers,

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Speaker 3: brothers and sisters to the north. And I asked this

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Speaker 3: parent if they would like to come on to tell

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Speaker 3: their story, and they told me that they're absolutely terrified

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Speaker 3: of the government to speak out.

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Speaker 1: I am not surprised. I mean, the other crazy thing

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Speaker 1: that I have to say, We've had a lot of

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Speaker 1: families in our lives and in schools and that we've

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Speaker 1: been around that have had this later in life where

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Speaker 1: the child as a teenager has come to them and said,

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Speaker 1: I want to live as the other gender. And I

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Speaker 1: will tell you that, I would say our experience has

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Speaker 1: been nine times out of ten, a year and a

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Speaker 1: half goes by and that kid goes you know what,

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Speaker 1: I was wrong?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to do this. Yeah we see

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Speaker 2: what and how often is.

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Speaker 1: It too late?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: These these these hormones, they sterilize you. They permanently change

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Speaker 1: your body. I mean women have deep voices, they have

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Speaker 1: facial hair, men, they grow breasts, they become sterile. Why

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Speaker 1: why is this allowed? I just cannot understand putting a

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Speaker 1: child on this stuff.

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Speaker 2: I don't I can't either.

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Speaker 3: I can't even I can't understand that we're they we're

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Speaker 3: having this conversation about these things there. I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: still I'm going on three years trying to wrap my

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Speaker 3: head around all this, and I don't understand why, and

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Speaker 3: I'm always speaking for California, why the state would want

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Speaker 3: to do this to kids.

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Speaker 1: It's an expensive experiment that could lead to a lot

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Speaker 1: more money. I mean, that's the only the only answer

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Speaker 1: I have is that it's got to lead to money somewhere,

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Speaker 1: because things like this only happen because there's money involved,

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Speaker 1: certainly not because anybody is caring for the well being

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Speaker 1: of these kids. I mean, anyone that is rational can

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Speaker 1: look at this and go even if this were the case,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I believe that there are cases of people

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Speaker 1: who feel like they've been born in the same in

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Speaker 1: the wrong body. Even if this were the case, this

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Speaker 1: is not something you see it too, no, ma'am. It

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Speaker 1: is not something you act on right away. This has

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Speaker 1: to be something I believe an adult needs to choose

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Speaker 1: on their own and decide whether or not that is

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Speaker 1: the right thing for them to do. But in a

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Speaker 1: loving home, you are raised with support and the reality

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Speaker 1: of who you are.

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely absolutely, So what is.

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Speaker 1: Next for you when it comes to the legal side

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Speaker 1: of it, Do you have any recourse to get your

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Speaker 1: son back?

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Speaker 2: Right now? We're feeling a fight.

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Speaker 3: We filed an appeal, but the appeals process can take

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Speaker 3: up to up to a year to two years, and

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Speaker 3: they could read it right now. We're trying to get

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Speaker 3: the five So they put me on a five year

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Speaker 3: restraining order for this, So that'll put me at eight

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Speaker 3: years without.

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Speaker 2: Physical custody of my son.

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Speaker 3: And I know a lot of your viewers are going

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Speaker 3: to think, well, this young man must have done something

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Speaker 3: absolutely terrible to be put on such a lengthy restraining order.

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Speaker 2: And I am being honest with you guys.

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Speaker 3: There has never been any physical violence, nor has there

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Speaker 3: been any physical violence to my son, no neglect or

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Speaker 3: anything like that.

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Speaker 2: It was all words and me not affirming what is

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Speaker 2: going on with my son.

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Speaker 1: Have you talked to your congressman?

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Speaker 3: No, I have not talked to my congressman because my

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Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think my congressmen. That's the

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Speaker 3: other that's the other frustrating thing about this is that

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Speaker 3: you you don't hear anything from Congress, especially the California congressmen.

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Speaker 2: You don't hear anything they're past.

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Speaker 3: They try to pass AB nine five seven, which would

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Speaker 3: would charge parents or a parent or a parent parents

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Speaker 3: with child abuse if they're not gender affirming We have

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Speaker 3: AB six six five that just passed in the state

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Speaker 3: of California, where our twelve year old can now emancipate themselves.

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Speaker 3: Twelve year old can now emancipate themselves in the state

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Speaker 3: of California. We've got we got SQ one oh seven.

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Speaker 3: SQ one oh seven now makes California a transgender state.

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Speaker 3: And if you feel that that you're not getting the

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Speaker 3: love and support out of state from your parents, you

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Speaker 3: can come into.

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Speaker 2: California and get free gender affirming care. We've got eight.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like some of the dads in your state need

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Speaker 1: to be educate on this so that they go out

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Speaker 1: and vote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, We've got AB ten seventy eight is now where

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Speaker 3: the California, the state of California can now what learning

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Speaker 3: material I believe can go unto the school, so that

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Speaker 3: means all those gender queer books will be available for.

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Speaker 2: Students LA County. It is using taxpayers money to have

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Speaker 2: drag Queen story hours from K through twelve at public libraries.

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Speaker 1: I just can't I just cannot stand the concept of

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Speaker 1: I don't understand that. I will never understand why you

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Speaker 1: want to have a man dressed in women's lingerie reading

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Speaker 1: to your kid and how anybody can go this is loving,

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Speaker 1: this is good, this is helpful, this is teaching. This

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Speaker 1: is bizarre. It's bizarre.

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Speaker 2: And one last thing, Mark, two last things.

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Speaker 3: Marjorie Taylor Green has a bill sitting on her desk

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Speaker 3: right now that would criminalize doctors and therapists that perform

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Speaker 3: and iss you puberty blockers and gender surgeries, and Congress

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Speaker 3: has not read or voted on it. They could Congress

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Speaker 3: could take that bill right now, vote on it and

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Speaker 3: everything would change.

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Speaker 2: But yet Congress, she has that bill ready to rock

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Speaker 2: and roll, and they, as far as I know, they

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Speaker 2: still have not voted on it.

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Speaker 3: And that was one of the things that I wanted

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Speaker 3: to do, is get in front of her at ancest

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Speaker 3: to talk to her about specifically about that bill, because

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Speaker 3: if that bill goes through Congress and passes, that can

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Speaker 3: change and save tons of children, that would save my son.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's it seems like something that needs to We

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Speaker 1: need to do some work on that and have a

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Speaker 1: pressure campaign on those other congressmen and women out there

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Speaker 1: and make sure people understand that fathers like you are

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Speaker 1: left not only on the sideline, but watching your child

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Speaker 1: be abused without the ability to do anything. It is

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Speaker 1: completely asinine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we got one last thing in California.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Friday.

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Speaker 3: She's another mother who lost her son to gender daughter

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Speaker 3: to gender I adnology. She's an attorney here in California.

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Speaker 3: She just wrote up a bill that we're trying to

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Speaker 3: get on the twenty twenty four ballot. The bill is

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Speaker 3: Protect Kids twenty twenty four. We need a million and

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Speaker 3: a half signatures by August. In that bill, it would

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Speaker 3: give parental rights back to the parents, it would keep

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Speaker 3: boys at a girls sports, and it would also.

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Speaker 2: Criminalize the.

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Speaker 3: Puberty blockers, processs, hormones, and gender surgeries on minors. So

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Speaker 3: starting January first, I'm going to be gathering signatures.

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Speaker 2: I urge every.

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Speaker 3: California and parent or even if you're not a parent,

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Speaker 3: should go to Protect Kids twenty twenty four dot com

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Speaker 3: and download the position petition and start gathering signatures. If

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Speaker 3: we can get that on the bill, that that's another

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Speaker 3: bill that would that would save save my son and

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Speaker 3: save other kids from these am I the surgeries and

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Speaker 3: the medication and just getting back to basics. And they

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Speaker 3: feel that we've gone so far, so far to I

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Speaker 3: don't even want to use political into it, because they're

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Speaker 3: not just coming after right wing kids, they're coming after

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Speaker 3: everybody's kids.

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Speaker 2: They don't care what you want.

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Speaker 3: And if we could get that bill passed, that would

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Speaker 3: be that would be huge too, to save to give parents. Again,

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Speaker 3: why are we having an argument about parental rights in

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Speaker 3: the state of California that that should be Any parental

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Speaker 3: notification should be automatic.

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Speaker 2: We shouldn't have to have a bill on parental notification

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Speaker 2: for kids. You know that's I mean.

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Speaker 1: And the only answer is that you have complete selfish

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Speaker 1: monsters running that state who are clearly only concerned with

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Speaker 1: getting the vote, not actually human need. They don't care

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Speaker 1: about people at the border, they don't care about children.

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Speaker 1: These are people who only care about their own personal power.

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Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, we can.

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Speaker 2: Go on with that.

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Speaker 1: We have kept you for a while, but I want

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Speaker 1: to have you back as things continue and as you

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Speaker 1: get those signatures so that we can continue to educate,

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Speaker 1: get people to make sure they're going out that they're

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Speaker 1: signing it, because I think this is so important. But

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Speaker 1: Adam Vina, thank you so much for sharing your story.

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