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Speaker 1: It is now officially open.

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Speaker 2: This is Draft Season presented by Moodies John Schmulck with

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Speaker 2: you as always, Tony Pauline my co host, and this

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Speaker 2: week we're gonna be joined by Chad Ryder, who does

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Speaker 2: a great job putting together all of the NFL dot

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Speaker 2: Com slast Draft Tracker, which is the go to thing

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Speaker 2: whenever you're looking up draft prospects in the spring.

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Speaker 1: Chad, hope you're doing well, man, And how's that coming along?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Great, it's a draft season is coming upon us here

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Speaker 3: and I love it, you know, it's it's great. I

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Speaker 3: love talking to you guys.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you, Just sorry, John. Jed's one of my oldest,

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Speaker 4: oldest friends in the business. I mean, I've known Chad

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Speaker 4: for about twenty years. Granted we only see each other

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Speaker 4: occasionally at the shrine ball occasion to see your ball

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Speaker 4: always at the combine. But I've known Chad back in

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Speaker 4: the days when he was working for CBS Sports many

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Speaker 4: moons ago, when we both had hair.

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Speaker 3: It's been a lot time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a long time that any of us

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Speaker 2: But yes, chi Chat has an encyclopedic knowledge of pass drafts.

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Speaker 2: In this draft class, that it will be really good

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Speaker 2: to talk about, to talk to him about everything going on.

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Speaker 2: Later on in the show, we're going to go through

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Speaker 2: Tony's riders and the sliders on the offensive side of

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Speaker 2: the ball in this year's draft class, and we'll look

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Speaker 2: at the next week's games. But first I want to

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Speaker 2: go through what happened last week, Tony, and the one

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Speaker 2: game you will want to focus on is a game

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Speaker 2: that again before the year, we had this game circle

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Speaker 2: this Penn State, you know, being one of the top

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Speaker 2: ranked teams ken Ohio State. You know, can they finally

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Speaker 2: get over the hill in the Big Ten and beat

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Speaker 2: teams like Ohio State and Michigan. Obviously, Penn State season

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Speaker 2: is falling apart, but there were still a lot of

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Speaker 2: really fun matchups. In that matchup last week, there was

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Speaker 4: It was a game where two programs going in different

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Speaker 4: directions and prospects on both teams going in different directions.

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Speaker 4: Drew Shelton, who I know we'll talk about later on.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the pass blocking left tackle just got victimized

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Speaker 4: at the entire game by Avril Reach by Kenjetta Jackson.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's really all that well is here.

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Speaker 4: I had high hopes for him. He's more of a

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Speaker 4: but I mean doesn't show a killer instinct, which really

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Speaker 4: when he was victimized multiple times the guard Ione when

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Speaker 4: we had Mike Renner on. Mike Renner had him as

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Speaker 4: a top fifty pick. I like Ioni, but I like

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Speaker 4: him more as a maybe late third, early fourth round guy.

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Speaker 4: He's the opposite of show. He's strong, he's wide, he

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Speaker 4: plays with nacy attitude, but he's also stiff and you

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Speaker 4: he was getting beaten by quick inside moves. Doesn't show

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Speaker 4: the ability to block on the second level. He gets

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Speaker 4: whether it's playing in space, and his pass rush ability

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Speaker 4: seeing the coming of age of Kenetta Jackson, the big

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Speaker 4: He's been relied more on as the starter this year.

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Speaker 4: You saw him Saturday against Penn State. He's a game changer.

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Speaker 4: He's a guy who can rush the passer. He's got

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Speaker 1: Your thoughts on the game, Chad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it's funny. We don't even have to

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Speaker 3: an excellent players. He's a top ten guy, but Reese

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Speaker 3: has been so good. Reese and Jackson were on my

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Speaker 3: is he even an off ball linebacker? Is he making

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Speaker 3: the part the Micah Parsons switch to an edge player

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Speaker 3: lot of fun to watch. We don't talk about Caleb Downs.

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Speaker 3: Sonny Styles is an excellent linebacker. This guy's a top

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Speaker 3: fifty pick all day long. We don't even have to

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Speaker 3: potential first round pick too. Ohio State just keeps rebuilt, reloading, reloading,

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Speaker 3: bring him back up. So there's there were so many

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Speaker 3: guys that you could watch in that matchup that just

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Speaker 3: clearly they're the number one team in the country.

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Speaker 2: You know, Chad, We're gonna touch on a little bit

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Speaker 2: Carnell Tate and I'll kind of throw this at you.

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Speaker 2: I always warned people about helmet scouting, where you're to

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Speaker 2: compare a player at a position to a former player

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Speaker 2: I gotta be honest at this point. If I'm designed

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Speaker 2: up there, I'm gonna pick the Ohio State wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: When's the last High state wide receiver that did not work?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they just produce NFL caliber wide receivers and

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Speaker 2: Tate's gonna be another one. And then Jeremiah Smith the

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the first mind that the first name that

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Speaker 3: But hey, look, you don't want a helmet scout. But

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Speaker 3: it's really tough to ignore the success of certain programs,

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Speaker 3: and certainly Ohio state wide receivers is part of that

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Speaker 3: a lot of you know, I projected Amika Buka as

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Speaker 3: keep rolling with Ohio State eyes until I'm proven otherwise,

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Speaker 3: I think at this point.

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Speaker 4: So and you know you got the other thing is

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Speaker 4: Those guys are going to be drafted. He was he

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Speaker 4: was playing against a JV team, which I think really

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Speaker 4: helps Carnell Tate. And you know, you talk about twenty

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Speaker 4: you talk about Jeremiah Smith being a top three pick

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Speaker 3: And by the way, Max Claire the tight end, barely

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Speaker 3: I was really looking. He's so talented that he may

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Speaker 3: So they're just loaded, they're sloding.

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Speaker 4: Not just their their top next level prospects. You know,

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Speaker 4: Claire came into the season with even though he's under

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Speaker 4: you know you're still going to get a late Day

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Speaker 4: two player, Day two prospect who has outstanding potential.

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Speaker 2: at the risers and sliders that Tony likes to do

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Speaker 2: every week as he tracks the draft. Chat is kind

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Speaker 2: on Tony's guys, give some of his own of guys

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Speaker 2: that have either really helped their draft stock from where

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Speaker 1: And Tony, we'll start at the quarterbacks here.

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Speaker 2: A couple of these guys we talked about a lot,

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Speaker 2: But who are the quarterbacks that you think have really

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Speaker 4: Well, obviously Ty Simpson, who potentially, if the draft were

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Speaker 4: held today, could be the first quarterback taken. Despite the

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Speaker 4: his college career, He's making a lot of NFL passes.

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Speaker 4: He's really got that Alabama offense moving looks like a

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Speaker 4: I think again has really reacted well to the coaching

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Speaker 4: been in many close games. I mean, they've blown out

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Speaker 4: with Dante Moore. You know, with Dylan Gabriel leaving Oregon

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Speaker 4: they were going to get at the quarterback position. Dante

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Speaker 4: Moore slides right in. I think he's helped himself. I'm

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Speaker 4: not as high on Dante Moore as others are. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those are the top three guys right now.

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Speaker 4: Really, Since that comeback against Pittsburgh, I think has improved

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and Bryce Lance to me, that guy, the wide receiver,

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Speaker 4: And you gotta start with Leonora Sellers. I mean, he

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Speaker 4: next year. Kate Clubnick has really fallen off a cliff.

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Speaker 3: I think coaches and scouts will like him more than

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Speaker 4: It's incredibly important to me. I mean the Trey Lances

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Speaker 3: you know, figure out how you you know, you push

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00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,119
Speaker 3: that trajectory because like you said, Tony, we both know

433
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 3: that they're not finished products when they come out of college,

434
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 3: no matter how much they play, And you have to

435
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,360
Speaker 3: be able to project. That's the whole point of scouting.

436
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 3: It's projecting where a guy's gonna end up. So guys

437
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,240
Speaker 3: like Ty Simpson, I'm not worried about him not never

438
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,120
Speaker 3: necessarily having a great, huge body of work. Dante More

439
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 3: I'm probably a little more worried about. But you know,

440
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 3: he's he was a five star kid coming out. It

441
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 3: wasn't surprised that he's talented, So it just depends on

442
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,439
Speaker 3: the guy. But I would prefer Yeah, a couple of

443
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 3: years starting certainly would give me a lot more confidence

444
00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 3: than a guy coming into the league.

445
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just hard.

446
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 2: You know, these guys don't get long leashes in the

447
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,400
Speaker 2: other NFL anymore. You know, it's it's not a developmental

448
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 2: league the NFL. It's a production league, and you hope

449
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: the guys are as ready to go so they can

450
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 2: produce as quickly as possible when they get into the league.

451
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 3: All right, let's go.

452
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 2: Over to the running back position here, gentlemen and Tony.

453
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 2: Two of these we've talked about a little bit. One

454
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,400
Speaker 2: maybe not so much. Who are the three running backs?

455
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 2: You have his risers in this year's class?

456
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 4: Well, Justice Haines, we've talked about a lot. I know

457
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 4: he's been struggling with injury, but I mean after transferring

458
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 4: to Alabama, getting to that Michigan backfield, I mean you

459
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 4: can't stop him. Opponents cannot stop him, and Michigan really

460
00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 4: can't throw the ball. So opponents have been loading the

461
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 4: box because and challenging Michigan wolf range to beat them

462
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,840
Speaker 4: with the passing game. Because the passing game is so inconsistent,

463
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 4: yet they can't stop paints. He's an explosive guy. Run.

464
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 4: He beats the defenders to daylight. It beats defenders into

465
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 4: the open field, can run to daylight. Big play after

466
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 4: big play. I mean, what was it, five or six

467
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,200
Speaker 4: seven games into the season, he had one hundred yards

468
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 4: rushing every game and Michigan was a rushing team because

469
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 4: they can't they couldn't pass the ball. He struggled with

470
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,239
Speaker 4: some injuries in the past three or four weeks, but

471
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 4: still I think where you look at where he was

472
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 4: or he was projected to be in September compared to

473
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 4: where he is now as we move into November, I

474
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 4: think he significantly helped himself. I think Jadari Price just

475
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 4: by the fact that no one really knew a lot

476
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 4: about it. Everyone thought it was Jeremiah Love Jeremiah Love.

477
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 4: And they basically rotate the backs there. They give the

478
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 4: back each back the ball a lot. And I think

479
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 4: Jadarian Price, don't your Dame, has really helped himself, really

480
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 4: jumped onto the scouting radar with his play, and then

481
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 4: Hollywood smothers of North Carolina. North Carolina State, I known

482
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 4: when we had Mike renneran Renner liked him in his

483
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,880
Speaker 4: top fifty. I'm a little bit a little bit lower

484
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 4: on him, but still I think he's in nhem Hines

485
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 4: if you remember him out of North Carolina State. He's

486
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,160
Speaker 4: that type of back, kind of square, He's explosive, he's creative,

487
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 4: he can do a lot of different things. I don't

488
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 4: know that he's a feature runner, but again, someone we

489
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 4: really weren't talking about coming into the season, and now

490
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 4: you're looking at a late day two pick on my board.

491
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Speaker 2: Anyway, Chad, your thoughts on those three and any other

492
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 2: running backs that have really kind of hit you watching

493
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: tape this year so far?

494
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel the same justin s Hayines, you know,

495
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 3: before the injury, I thought he would have been another

496
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,920
Speaker 3: first round potential guy. You know, Dallas maybe with their

497
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: second pick that they got from Green Bay, maybe they

498
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 3: look at a guy like that, but not a lot

499
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: of other comments. I like LJ. Martin from BYU, guy

500
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: that a lot of people weren't talking about, but I

501
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: think could work himself into a Day two pick. Smothers.

502
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 3: I agree with Tony He's he's a good late Day

503
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 3: two kind of guy, you know, change a pay back,

504
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: but he's been very impressive this year. So you know,

505
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 3: another of the Smothers brothers for those old people like me,

506
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: you know, could could could get back in the NFL.

507
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: All right, Tony, how about your guys that have not

508
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: really impressed, including the guy that was and still I

509
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 2: don't know if he still is, but he was the

510
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 2: number one back on your list when the season began.

511
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 4: That would be CJ. Baxter and CJ. Baschler, like Utravian Wisner,

512
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 4: both Texas backs. I mean, they've been hit and missed.

513
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,479
Speaker 4: They've been inconsistent, They've been injured, especially Baxter has not

514
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: been able to return from the injury that sidelined him

515
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: last season. Wisner's been up and down. He's spectacular times,

516
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 4: but he struggle with injuries. He struggled with consistency. So

517
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 4: I think both of those guys have fallen. Nick Singleton

518
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 4: of Penn State. I mean, coming into the season, scouts

519
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 4: had Nick Singleton of Penn State grated much higher than

520
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: his teammate k Tron Allen, and Allen has outplayed him.

521
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 4: I mean Singleton doesn't even have three hundred yards rushing

522
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 4: this year. Penn State offensive line has been hit and

523
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 4: miss They've been a little bit inconsistent. But I don't

524
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 4: think Singleton has lived up to what scouts thought, which

525
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 4: was the potential Day two, maybe second round choice. He's

526
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 4: obviously fallen. Kay Hughes well from Oregon, who a lot

527
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: of people thought coming into the season was gonna be

528
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 4: one of the big transfers, one of the big stars

529
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: of the transfer portal going from TWU Lane to Oregon.

530
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 4: People had him graded highly as a top potential top

531
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 4: sixty pick. He wasn't getting the playing time. He's decided

532
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 4: to red shirt. He's not gonna play this year. Who

533
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 4: knows where he's gonna play next year. Will he be

534
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 4: back at Oregon? But I think McKay hughes has definitely fallen.

535
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 4: And Jade Nott of Oklahoma. This is actually a two

536
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 4: year story because if you follow the scouting process at all,

537
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: jad and Knott was highly rated by scouts coming into

538
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty four season when he played at California,

539
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 4: had some injuries, he was hit or miss transfers to Oklahoma,

540
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 4: Jim Nagy brings him over. There was a big celebration

541
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 4: where he got there and he barely sees the field.

542
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 4: He hasn't made any impact at all for Oklahoma. So

543
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 4: you're talking about Jayde not coming into this twenty twenty

544
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 4: four season as a potential middle round choice right now,

545
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 4: Jade and not is not going to get drafted.

546
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm agree. And Wisner, the only thing I'll

547
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 3: say is Wisner to me, he was kind of a

548
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: late day two guy anyway. But when he is decisive,

549
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 3: he's really good. But he will dance, and you know,

550
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: we don't want him to dance with our dates, as

551
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 3: they said in Animal House. We want him to get upfield,

552
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: be decisive and when he does that, he's pretty good.

553
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 3: So I think he's still in that late day two category.

554
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 3: But you know, he is not ascended as much. Maybe

555
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 3: is you know, I thought maybe some people thought and

556
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 3: and so I think he's you know, on that if

557
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 3: he's gonna be a riser slider, he's gonna be a

558
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: little bit of a slider. But I think he's got

559
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: real potential when when he decides that he wants to

560
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 3: get after it.

561
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: You know, Chad, just give me your overall thoughts on

562
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: the running back class in general. And then how about

563
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: that second Penn State running back He was pretty much

564
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 2: taken over that that that starting job.

565
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: I think. I think he's been pretty impressive too.

566
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Catron is what he is. I mean, he's not

567
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 3: gonna be fast. He's a powerful guy, and I think, look,

568
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 3: he's not quite in the camp Scataboo and I hate

569
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: what a terrible injury that that kid had. But I

570
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,719
Speaker 3: mean he's kind of in that thing where you get

571
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 3: him in the third or fourth round. He's gonna bully people.

572
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 3: And he's got some decent feet too, So I think

573
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: he can be a really solid NFL running back. It's

574
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: a solid class. I'm not gonna say it's a great class.

575
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: You've got some guys, like I said, L J. Martin

576
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 3: from b YU, Jeremiah Cobb from Auburn start kind of

577
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 3: to come on, Cam Cook from Jacksonville State, talk about

578
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 3: some other group of six guys. But he's really he

579
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: leads a nation in rushing. He came from TCU where

580
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 3: he led that sort of anemak TCU rushing attack. But

581
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: he's really good. I think more people will start talking

582
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: about him coming in if he decides to come out

583
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 3: in this class. But there's a lot of really solid guys.

584
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: But it's not a great class.

585
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 2: To me, all Right, let's go over to the tight

586
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 2: ends here, boys and Tony. You got two guys in

587
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: your risers category. One we've talked about a lot of

588
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: Eli Stowers out a Vanderbilt really fun player. The other

589
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: one we have I don't think we've mentioned on the

590
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: show once yet this year. So who are you the

591
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: two tight ends that do you think have really helped

592
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: themselves this year?

593
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, you mentioned Stowers, who came to Vandervelt by

594
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 4: way of New Mexico State was good in twenty twenty four.

595
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 4: There was some questions as to whether he's going to

596
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 4: enter the draft. I was told he signed a nice,

597
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 4: big nil deal which brought him back to Vanderbilt, which

598
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 4: is having a terrific season despite the lass to Texas

599
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: this past Saturday. I mean, a real good, move past

600
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 4: catching type of tight end that you're gonna put in

601
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: motion before the snap of the ball. You're gonna line

602
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: Hi up in the slot, catches the ball extremely well.

603
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: The production isn't great, it's not bad thirty eight receptions,

604
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 4: five hundred and forty three yards for four tds. But

605
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 4: they spread the ball around a lot in Vanderbilt, so

606
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 4: he's not going to be the primary target. But he's

607
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 4: done well when he's been called upon. The other kid

608
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 4: who I've liked before the season Canner Cozeal of Houston

609
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 4: by way of ball State. Last year at ball State

610
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: caught ninety four passes for eight hundred and thirty nine

611
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 4: yards with eight tds. This year at Houston forty eight receptions,

612
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: five hundred yards, five tds. He came into the season

613
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: great as a late round pick by scouts. I like

614
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 4: him a lot more than a late round pick. He's

615
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: a little bit more than a moved tight end. He's

616
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 4: not a great blocker, but he can blocked. You can

617
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 4: put him on the liner scrimmage as a blocker, you

618
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 4: can put him in motion, and he's a terrific pass catcher.

619
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 4: I mean he's like a receiver playing in the tight

620
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 4: end position. I think Cozeal is a guy that's going

621
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 4: to get a lot of chatter as we moved towards

622
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 4: the draft. Just a real good pass catching tight end

623
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: that can also block.

624
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: You know, John, I want to get your thoughts on

625
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: both those guys. I want to start stour Zobeus. I

626
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: watched him again this morning. I compare it to what

627
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: I read about what I wrote about him off his

628
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four tape. You know, runs well after the catch,

629
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: runs powerfully, breaks tackles, really.

630
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: Good in space, good hands.

631
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 2: He a couple jobs this year, but generally he's a

632
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: pretty good hands catcher, but not not you know, his

633
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: his route running. I'm not gonna call it lazy, but

634
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: he's not like breaking off his routes at the top.

635
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: And he's fast and he still gets open, but I

636
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 2: do think he's still a little raw in that area.

637
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, former quarterback, So you like that for a lot

638
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 3: of you know, receiver slash tight end guys. You like

639
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: to see that quarterback experience in his background. But yeah,

640
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: his hands aren't exemplary, but he is a lot of

641
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 3: fun after the catch. You know, you could say he's

642
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 3: in that Evan Ngrim kind of dion. I'm not saying

643
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 3: he's gonna be like a first round pick, but he's

644
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: that kind of guy. And so I think top fifty

645
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: he's gonna land in there and be a real you know,

646
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 3: maybe he I don't know if he's white as polished

647
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: as a Sam Laporta, but like you get that sense

648
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 3: that he could be a real weapon for somebody, and

649
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: it's so hard with tight ends to look at production.

650
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: You know, Tony mentioned that Tanner had you know, a

651
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: huge year at ball State because he's all they had.

652
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: And a lot of these tight ends just don't get

653
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 3: a ton of catches like Joe Royer from from Cincinnati

654
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: for example. It's pretty good tight end. They're not going

655
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 3: to throw them a ton and and I think that

656
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: kind of gets in the way sometimes they can't all

657
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 3: be harold fan and getting one hundred, you know, touches

658
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: a year. So I think, uh, the guy Tony's mentioned,

659
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 3: another guy just mentioned quickly is de Quon Wright from Ole,

660
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: miss A big body guy. He's really turned it up

661
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 3: this year in that offense. And I think you you

662
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 3: could be talking late day two, early day three from

663
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 3: him now. So I really like, you know, I think

664
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 3: he's done a lot.

665
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, really good athlete. I mean he is impressive on film.

666
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 4: You know, you go back to what I said, you know,

667
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 4: you confirm he just wasn't getting a lot of targets

668
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 4: a Mississippi especially last year. He's getting more this year

669
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: and he's cashing in for him.

670
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: A Hi, Tony, what tight ends do you think have

671
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: not helped himselves so far this year?

672
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 4: Well one because of the injury. John Michael Gillenborg of

673
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: Wyoming was highly rated by scouts coming into the year,

674
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 4: potential third round pick early Day three. So only played

675
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 4: three games the season, it's got eleven receptions. From a

676
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: size speed point of view, you know, he is definitely

677
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,479
Speaker 4: a top one, one hundred twenty guy, just hasn't had

678
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 4: the production because of the hasn't had the opportunity that,

679
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 4: I should say because of the injuries. And then Jack

680
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 4: Veiling of Michigan State. Two years ago when he was

681
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 4: at Oregon State, Veiling looked like he was going to

682
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 4: be a potential superstar at the tight end positions. The

683
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 4: sophomore at Oregon State average fifteen point one yards per

684
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 4: catch eight tds. I think on the thirty five or

685
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,479
Speaker 4: forty catches, his game is regressed. I mean, he's not

686
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: getting the opportunity. He's had some injuries, but his game

687
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: has not taken off as people thought. And Villain comes

688
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 4: into the season as a mid day three type of prospect.

689
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: Right now, he's not gonna get drafted.

690
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, anybody else?

691
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, No.

692
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 3: Notes from that, You know a lot of the guys

693
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: have been what they are and unless we've mentioned. You know,

694
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 3: production is tough with tight ends. Even if they're good players,

695
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 3: they can kind of get lost in the shuffle on

696
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: offenses sometimes and and then they go to the NFL

697
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 3: and become stars, like George Kittle, you know, barely got

698
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: the ball at Iowa and then he turns into a star.

699
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's it's a it's a I would say

700
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: it's a pretty solid group though. This year, I think

701
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: you're gonna find guys throughout the whole draft, So I

702
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: think teams are going to be looking a lot of

703
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: some real guys in Day two, early Day three. They're

704
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 3: going to contribute immediately.

705
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 4: I don't I don't see any first round tight ends.

706
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 4: But I think once you get to the the late

707
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 4: part of Day two, the third round or late part

708
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, late part of round two, third round, fourth round,

709
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: you get you're gonna get some decent eyes who can

710
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 4: produce at the next level.

711
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 3: A lot of people are talking about Kenyon Sadig from

712
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 3: Oregon as a first round guy, and I don't see that.

713
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: I think he's kind of too consistent, inconsistent, but he's

714
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 3: a really good athlete, so he's gonna get picked sometime

715
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: in the second round and in me turned into something

716
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 3: they're pretty good.

717
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: And you know, this is one of those years, Chad

718
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 2: with it. It's very unsettled at the top of this draft.

719
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: So I think we can say I don't see this

720
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: guy as a first round player. Well guess what thirty

721
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: two guys have to go in the first round. Yeah,

722
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: so even if they're not a first round player, you

723
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: have to fit thirty two with that. And I think

724
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: we might run into that where we get I forget

725
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: who we're talking to.

726
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: We're talking to Renner. I think it was right Tony

727
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: when he was doing his first like his mid.

728
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: Season mock draft, and he goes, I got to pick twenty,

729
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: and I'm running out of guys that I feel good

730
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 2: about putting the first round of this thing.

731
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 3: There are ten to twelve guys that are mock drafts

732
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 3: right now in the first round that won't be there.

733
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: That's just kind of the way it is every year.

734
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: And it can be worse than last year. Fourteen to

735
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: sixteen guys you know, ended up not being So it's

736
00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: a it's an open, uh certainly open conversation for or

737
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 3: Thursday Night picks.

738
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: Right now, they have no question, all right, let's look

739
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: at the wide receivers, Tony. This was a very unsettled

740
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 2: wide receiver class to begin the year, but there have

741
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: been a number of guys that have stepped up and

742
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: I think really made their case for being either the

743
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 2: top wide receiver overall or just first round picks in general.

744
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Chris Braisel, I think there'll be some discussion about it,

745
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: but I think he's really helped himself more than anybody.

746
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 4: Transfer from helped me out here chat. I believe it

747
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 4: was too late where he had a productive season was

748
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: okay last year. Has really has really improved his game

749
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 4: this year. The thing about Brasel that I want to

750
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 4: watch is how we tests if he tests before the draft,

751
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 4: assuming he answers the draft, especially the forty time and

752
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 4: the ten time, because to me, it doesn't look like

753
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: he gets off the line of scrimmage all that quickness.

754
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: He's very long. That's how it is with those call guys.

755
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 4: Man, So that's gonna be interesting. But he's definitely helped himself.

756
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 4: Carnell Tate. I mean, we saw it last year, especially

757
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. We've seen it this year. We saw

758
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 4: it on Saturdays Penn State. The guy just produces. I mean,

759
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 4: he's not a big play guy, but he's an important

760
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 4: play guy when they need a big third down reception.

761
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 4: You know, when it's second and eight, he's got the

762
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 4: reception for ten or twelve yards. He makes a lot

763
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 4: of good catches in the end zone. You know, is

764
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 4: he this year's a Mecca Buka where he's gonna slide

765
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 4: into the late part of round one. I think that's

766
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: a possibility. Amark Cooper has been incredible this year for

767
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 4: Indiana eight tds almost fifteen yards per catch. He is

768
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 4: really their big play receiver compared to Elijah sat who's

769
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 4: more the possession type guy guy we talked about last week.

770
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 4: Skylar Bell of Yukon, I think it's gonna be a

771
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 4: very solid mid round pick. He just produces when the

772
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 4: balls in the air Ponis. Now it's very likely with

773
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 4: a Skylar Bell they can't stop him. Seventy four receptions,

774
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 4: nine hundred and ninety four yards with eleven TVC this season,

775
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 4: and there's still three games left, So he's really He

776
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 4: came into the season greated as a bottom half of

777
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: Day three picks. I think he's moving towards the fourth round.

778
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 4: Who knows what will happen with testing, and I gotta

779
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 4: throw a small school guy guy in here, Jared Richardson

780
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 4: out of pen, big strong possession, wide out, the guy

781
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 4: who's gonna win out for the contested throw the red

782
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 4: zone target fifty three receptions, eight hundred and seventeen yards,

783
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 4: nine t ds. This year, he goes six to two

784
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 4: hundred and sixteen pounds. Speed is the question with him.

785
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 4: I don't know that he's gonna run under four to six.

786
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 4: If he gets under four or five to five, he

787
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 4: goes to a place like the he goes to a

788
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: game like the Shrine Bowl and does well in practices,

789
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 4: I think he could slide into the very late rounds.

790
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: Chall your thoughts on those guys and any of the

791
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,479
Speaker 2: wide receivers that have really jumped out to you this year.

792
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think a guy that's interesting as Chris Bell

793
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: from Lovelle, and I think people knew about him coming

794
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 3: into the year, But I wonder how high that guy

795
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: could go. He's gonna run fast at two hundred and

796
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: fifty twenty pounds. He's he's really he's been one of

797
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: the reasons why Millon Moss's look pretty good too. I

798
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: mean he's he's quite a target. I love Jeremy Bernard

799
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: from Alabama and he's not getting a ton of touches

800
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 3: right now, but I think he's a guy that might

801
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,760
Speaker 3: be a better pro even than he is in college.

802
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 3: I just like is after the catchability. I think he's

803
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: a tough receiver. I don't There's a lot of guys

804
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 3: that are question mikes. Isaiah Horton from Alabama can make

805
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: a lot of plays not getting a ton of touches

806
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 3: now either, a lot of small guys in the SEC,

807
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: Eric Singleton, Aaron Anderson, these guys, I'm not sure if

808
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 3: they're gonna come out this year or not, but there's

809
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: gonna be some Day two value at this position. I

810
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: think this year even and look at mock drafts, I'm

811
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 3: kind of just playing around with them. I could have

812
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 3: see six guys going in the first round at wide receiver,

813
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: and then the depth is there too, but we'll see.

814
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: It's going to depend on team needs and stuff, and

815
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,399
Speaker 3: it just it's gonna play out. But there's a lot

816
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: of names there that I think are gonna contribute at

817
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: the next level.

818
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look that always happen as a wide receiver,

819
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 2: right you know, there's just a million wide receivers out there.

820
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: That's kind of how it goes every year.

821
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 2: But Tony, you know three guys that you think have

822
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: not helped themselves this year.

823
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,800
Speaker 4: Had three guys who I think their play college play

824
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: was better prior to this year, their junior years, even

825
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 4: their sophomore seasons. The jan Stribling of Mississippi, transferred from

826
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State, was given very high Day two grades from

827
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 4: scouts coming in the season. He's been basically invisible twenty

828
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: five twenty five receptions this season for Ole Miss. They

829
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: haven't needed him. You know, Chad talked about the tight

830
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 4: end who's doing a great job, but I think more

831
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 4: was expected from Stribling, both from Mississippi as well as

832
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 4: in the college scouting world. Barrion Brown, who again thirty

833
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 4: six catches at LSU this year with a decent Quarterback's

834
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 4: best football was actually two years ago when he played

835
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 4: at Kentucky, so I think he's disappointed. And Trevor Penya,

836
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 4: who was a really good receiver at Syracuse transferred to

837
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: a Penn State. He's been very hit and miss again,

838
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: a guy who had mid Day three grades coming into

839
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: the season. Maybe he gets drafted late, that's questionable at

840
00:39:59,440 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 4: this point.

841
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 3: Jet Yeah, Pinia's got the returnability which I think could

842
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: get him drafted at some point, but I think pretty

843
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 3: much everybody at Penn State. Yeah, it's kind of been

844
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 3: a slider this year. So yeah, you know, I mentioned

845
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 3: Nick Harbor, you know, from South Carolina, is another guy

846
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: that just hasn't become the all round receiver that we

847
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: thought maybe he could with Laura Sellers this year. But yeah, otherwise, yeah,

848
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: that's sounds like about the good list for me.

849
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 4: Your looks Harbor looks like he can continually looks like

850
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 4: a track guy trying to play receiver. I know, given

851
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 4: up track and field, you know, go football to play

852
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 4: football full time. It just has not made that transition.

853
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: So I guess the question is what round will the

854
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: Raiders pick him in? Is Is that what we're going.

855
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: To try to figure out?

856
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 4: How Davids is it making the picks anymore?

857
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

858
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: Exactly, James, Jet, No doesn't get you excited, Uh, Chad,

859
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 2: you six wide receivers could go in the first round.

860
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: To follow up, what type of receivers were we talking

861
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: about in this draft? Is it a lot of smaller

862
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: slot guys. Is it bigger guys is a good mix?

863
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 2: What's the kind of the the the character of this

864
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: group in terms of what people might need, is they

865
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: try to kind of fill out their basketball team and

866
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 2: wide receiver.

867
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think you've got when you when

868
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 3: you're looking at Jordan Tyson, Denzel Boston, Carnel Taate, Chris Bell.

869
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: All of these guys have size and the speed to

870
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: make in the NFL. So that's why I'm saying these guys,

871
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 3: you know, could all go Round one and then Look,

872
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: Makay Lemon didn't have a great week last week, but

873
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: at times he's looked very good this year at USC.

874
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say he's graded like Molik Neighbors, but

875
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: he's got that.

876
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

877
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: I'm not big, but I can play big kind of game,

878
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: and I think he could become a really good player

879
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: in the NFL. And he's looked really good at times.

880
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 3: So that's another guy. Bryce Lance. Look, don't write this

881
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: guy off as a top, you know, late first round pick.

882
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 3: I think he is really dynamic and I think he's

883
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 3: gonna get There's always that one receiver at the end

884
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 3: of the first round that maybe shouldn't be there and tall.

885
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: If he shows the speed, he's got to show the speed.

886
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 3: But if he does, he could take the top off defenses.

887
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys and Brezels. As Tony mentioned,

888
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: I wouldn't take him around one. But again there's always

889
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 3: that Quinton Johnson, Jonathan Baldwin. This guy's that maybe end

890
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: up sneaking into round one because they're a size, speed guy. Well,

891
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 3: we'll see how that plays.

892
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: Out, Yeah we will. All right, let's go to the

893
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:36,479
Speaker 1: offensive line.

894
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: Tony, you have a pretty long list of risers here

895
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 2: at the offensive line spot.

896
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: Who do you like so far this year that do

897
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: you think you've really helped themselves?

898
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: Which is surprising because as we talked about it, our

899
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: opinion is the offensive tackle class specifically has not panned

900
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 4: out the way we had thought. I think Spencer, for

901
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 4: a lot of people were not sold on him as

902
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 4: a first round pick. I think he's established himself as

903
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: a first round pick. I think guys Isaiah World to

904
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 4: transfer from Nevada has done a terrific job at Oregon.

905
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 4: He's long, he shows athleticism, he's got long arms, and

906
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 4: he's got a lot of real good past protecting traits.

907
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 4: That you want, and a left tackle did a terrific

908
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 4: job as we spoke about against Penn State. I think

909
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: that's the guy that's helped himself. Trevor Gooseby, only because

910
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 4: he's playing weekend and week out. Trevor Gooseby of Texas,

911
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 4: who last year filled in when Calvin Banks and Cam

912
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: Williams went down with injury. I think he's done a

913
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 4: real good job. He has helped himself. Cayden Green, the

914
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 4: left tackle from Missouri who projects to guard the next level.

915
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 4: A lot of scouts really like him a lot. I

916
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 4: think he's jumped up on the draft boards as to

917
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 4: being a Day two prospect. And then one of my

918
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 4: personal favorites, Lyndon Cooper of Pittsburgh. A shorter center, he's

919
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 4: under six foot two. Came into the season great as

920
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: a priority free agent, but he is a terrific player.

921
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,000
Speaker 4: He's quick, he's strong, he's smart. He's good at the

922
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 4: line of scrimmage, but he gets out on the second level,

923
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: shows the ability to take out linebackers, hit a movie

924
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 4: target blocking emotion. I think all those guys, I don't

925
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: think anyone's made a massive jump up boards. You know,

926
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 4: we talked about Chris Grazzle where no one was now

927
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: where no one was talking about him before the season.

928
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 4: I don't see any guy like that at the offensive

929
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 4: line position, but there have been some players that have

930
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 4: helped themselves.

931
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

932
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: I really like Cayden Green before the season, and I

933
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: had him as a top twenty guard. I think he

934
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 3: could be the Elijah Vera Tucker of this draft in

935
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 3: terms of a guy that had to play tackle at

936
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 3: some point in this college career because they didn't have

937
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: a lot of options. Keegan Trust on the other side

938
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 3: for Missouri has been pretty good this year, but he's

939
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 3: the right tackle, only they weren't going to shove him

940
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: over the rough side. So I like him. I think

941
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: he's he's gonna move to guard as you said, and

942
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 3: be really strong. And like you said, I think most

943
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: of the guys pretty much are what they are in

944
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 3: this class tackles. I think there's some really good ones,

945
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: not a lot of guys. Carter Smith from Indiana left

946
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: tackles been pretty good. Ohio State's left tackle has been

947
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 3: pretty good too. I don't know if they're gonna come out,

948
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: but boy, they've they've Those two guys have kind of

949
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: stood out as guys that have jumped up as juniors.

950
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 3: But for the most part, yeah, it hasn't been a

951
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 3: lot of huge risers.

952
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: Let me ask you about Carter. Let me ask you

953
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 4: about Calrter Smith. Do you think he's a left tackle

954
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 4: on Sunday? Do you think he kicks inside the guard?

955
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: I think it's possibly kicks inside but I've said that

956
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 3: about other guys and they just managed to be tough

957
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 3: enough to stay out there even though they don't have

958
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 3: great length, great height, some of that stuff, you know.

959
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 3: I think he's got a shot. I think he's one

960
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 3: of those guys. I try him and if it doesn't

961
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: work out that, I'm happy to put him inside.

962
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: And Chad. That seems to be a theme with this class.

963
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: I think we see a lot of these offensive tackles

964
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 2: in college this year, and I think Canaan Proctor out

965
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: of Alabama might be one of them. Where you know,

966
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 2: college you and get away with playing tackle, but in

967
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: the pros you might have to move inside.

968
00:45:56,040 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, some of the things that make

969
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: it difficult for you to play outside can give you

970
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 3: trouble inside too, because the interior lineman in the NFL

971
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 3: are a different breed in terms of their quickness and

972
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: strength and size. So it's not automatic that it works

973
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: out if you move inside. But that's why a guy

974
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 3: like Isaiah World, I mean, he's just so big. Andy

975
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 3: Reid just gonna love that kid, and it's just a

976
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 3: matter whether he takes in the first round or second round. Yeah,

977
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 3: but uh, you know, I just that's why guys like

978
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: that survive, just because even if they aren't great with

979
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: their feet, they could They're just hard to get around.

980
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think a guy like World could could

981
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 3: go pretty high.

982
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: All right, Tony, to give me your sliders here.

983
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 2: And I know the guy in the top of this list,

984
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: it just breaks your heart to have to talk about

985
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 2: him here, I mean, ze Vie Chaplin.

986
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people, including myself, yours Julie

987
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 4: talked about him as a potential top fifteen, top ten pick.

988
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: The left tackle from Auburn who came from Virginia Tech.

989
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 4: He's basically been a human penalty flag this year. He

990
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 4: can't stay on side. I mean, he's play has been

991
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 4: going got worse and worse and worse to the point

992
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 4: where he's got to go back. If it's not the

993
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 4: Auburn who's been in the midst of a coaching change.

994
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: He's got to go back because I still think he's

995
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: a day through pick because of the traits, because of

996
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 4: his previous played off at Virginia Tech. He's been terrible

997
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 4: this year. Blake Miller, like most of Clemson offensive tackle there,

998
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 4: right tackle, maybe a middle round guy. He's been very inconsistent,

999
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 4: very up and down, as has been that Clemson team.

1000
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 4: And then Ethan on one Wah, I don't even know

1001
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 4: I've pronounced that right. Nobody knows about him. Transferred from

1002
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 4: to Ohio State from Rice. Came into the season great

1003
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 4: as a potential mid round pick by scouts, hasn't seen

1004
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 4: in the field. He's been a backup. So he just

1005
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 4: by the fact that he hasn't been able to break

1006
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 4: into the starting lineup at Ohio State, who's got a

1007
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 4: good thing going on that offensive line and that offense

1008
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 4: just gonna hurt his draft stock.

1009
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 3: And it kills me about drewce Shelton because I think

1010
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 3: Drew Shelton is a good player at Penn State. He's

1011
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: a good left ackle. Last week you saw against Ohio

1012
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 3: State he was not able to cut off Rvl Race

1013
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: on the wide nine. Just wasn't able to get there.

1014
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 3: Now now the quarterback is very inexperienced, and if he

1015
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 3: is able to step up and move to the left

1016
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 3: instead of always bailing to the right and moving backwards,

1017
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: maybe Reese doesn't get those sacks right. So, but Drew

1018
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 3: Shelton hasn't been He's athletic, but he's not hasn't finished

1019
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: as much as he likes so. And I really liked

1020
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: him coming in the season. But like chaplain, but it

1021
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 3: just hasn't. It hasn't. It hasn't really worked out the

1022
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: way we thought.

1023
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 4: And here's the thing about Shelton, and I would agree

1024
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 4: with you. We're gonna we're gonna talk about that in

1025
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: our review of the game. His forte is the athleticism

1026
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 4: is the ability to slide off the edge is past

1027
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 4: protection is the ability to shut down speed rushers. And

1028
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: he got hammered on Saturday, just got hammered, which is

1029
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 4: really disconcerned because he's not a moiler. He is not

1030
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 4: a straight ahead, power blocking run guy. He's not a

1031
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 4: guy that you can say, okay, well you let him

1032
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 4: a few sacks here. We have we have the running,

1033
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 4: the run blocking to back it up. No, he's the

1034
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 4: guy that's got to get off the edge, or whose

1035
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 4: fourth day is getting off the edge and pass protection,

1036
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 4: and he got shamed Saturday.

1037
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,440
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1038
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1039
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1040
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Speaker 1: Learned more at moodies dot com. All right, guys, we's

1041
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: got a few minute lots.

1042
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: Let's look ahead briefly to this week's games in college

1043
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: football Tonal. We just talked about Penn State a bunch here,

1044
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 2: but they're taking on Indiana this week, and all these

1045
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: games we had circled before the year. Penn State are

1046
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 2: huge game against Ohio State, a huge game against Indiana.

1047
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, they just don't have much luster.

1048
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I know that Chad, you don't want

1049
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 4: to talk about this because he talked about Drew Shelton

1050
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 4: and the Indiana defense plays over their heads. I mean,

1051
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: Mikle Camara is small, he's not fast, he doesn't grab

1052
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 4: a great bulk, but the guy plays a million miles

1053
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,280
Speaker 4: an hour hour and he could cause Drew Shelton some headaches.

1054
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 4: And if he closed Duce Shelton headaches Camara, who is

1055
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: a late round pick as a pass rush specialist out

1056
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 4: of Yeah May because Drew Shelton causes Drew Shelton headaches

1057
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 4: on Saturday, that's gonna be another major red flag. I

1058
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 4: think the Fernando Mendoza, Elijah Shirot Almar Jones matchup against

1059
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: what should be or what has been at times a

1060
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,720
Speaker 4: good Penn State secondary is one I'd like to watch.

1061
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 4: But then that Penn State secondary got exposed by Ohio

1062
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 4: State big time last week, so I don't know that

1063
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,359
Speaker 4: that matchup. It's Penn State secondary who's got played, who

1064
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 4: have players back during NFL prospects really have to rebound

1065
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 4: or Mendoza and the Indiana offense will pick him apart.

1066
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: What about that game strikes you, Chad?

1067
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1068
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 3: I love Tyreek Tucker, the defensive tackle from Indiana. One

1069
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: of these guys believe that came over from James Addison

1070
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 3: with signetti and guy's six foot tall. Maybe okay, but

1071
00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 3: he is a force inside. And if Ione the guard

1072
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 3: from Penn State who hasn't looked quite as good this year,

1073
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,359
Speaker 3: and Senor Nick Dawkins don't watch out. Tucker is going

1074
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 3: to be through them in a in a hurry. And

1075
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: DeAngelo Ponds from Indiana is a small corner, but he

1076
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 3: sort of reminds me of Mike sant Astril, who came

1077
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 3: out last year was pick fiftieth overall. It's sort of

1078
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 3: a nickel so I would be very interested to see

1079
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 3: if Pons can make some plays in this game Indiana,

1080
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 3: like you said, they're playing over their head on defense.

1081
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: Aiden Fisher linebacker's gonna get drafted. Lewis Moore safety is

1082
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 3: gonna get drafted because he makes plays all over the place.

1083
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 3: So Indiana's got a lot of guys on that defense

1084
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 3: to watch, and if Penn State doesn't get it together,

1085
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 3: it could be a long game for him.

1086
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 4: And Ponds is a guy to watch. I agree with you,

1087
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: he's gonna be a very good nickel corn at the

1088
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 4: next leve one. If he's four inches taller, we're talking

1089
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 4: about him as his first round pick. But he stays

1090
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 4: on the receiver's hit out of brakes, got terrific ball skills.

1091
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,240
Speaker 4: He's just short and stuff to miss. It's a mismatch

1092
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 4: going up against those six with two receivers, although it's

1093
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 4: not due to lack of effort because he is a

1094
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 4: feisty corner that will battle.

1095
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 2: All right, Chad, let's let's lead. Let's let you lead

1096
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: off your Texas A and M Missouri. What kind of

1097
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: what are the matchups and players in that game that

1098
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: you lokward to seeing.

1099
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 3: This is gonna be great. This is gonna be great

1100
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: when Texas A and M have the ball, Trey Zuon,

1101
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: Demetrius khanover on the two tackle spots facing Damon Wilson

1102
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: and Zion Young on the edge. That's gonna be fantastic.

1103
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 3: You're talking about four guys that are gonna be in

1104
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 3: the first four rounds of the draft probably. That's gonna

1105
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 3: be a lot of fun. And then the other thing

1106
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 3: is uh, Cassius Howell defensive or edge rusher for Texas

1107
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 3: A and M. This guy is creeping up into the

1108
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 3: top twenty overall and he's going up against Kayden Green

1109
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 3: potentially on the left side for for Missouri. And I

1110
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 3: mentioned Keegan tros on the right side. That's gonna be

1111
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 3: so there's gonna be some real trench work going on

1112
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 3: in this game. It's gonna be a lot of fun.

1113
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: Tony.

1114
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you can see it because Cassius Howell

1115
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 4: matchup against Kayden Green is the one that I'm really

1116
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 4: looking forward to. And you know, if Kane Green's able

1117
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 4: to slow him down, I think you never know. People

1118
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 4: may rethink the fact that he's got to move into

1119
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 4: guard relan state at left tackle, but it's gonna be

1120
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 4: a big challenge, a big opportunity for Green on Saturday.

1121
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: All right, final game chat. We'll let you lead off again.

1122
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: LSU Alabama.

1123
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 3: Ken nuss have the big performance that he needs. Garrett

1124
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: Nussmeier the quarterback LSU. Can he make the plays? Can

1125
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: a young offensive line protect him? Can his guys catch

1126
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 3: the ball? Can it be a now? Treda Is Green

1127
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 3: the tight end. You're gonna see a lot of him.

1128
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: Unfortunately he is not draft eligible, but that dude can play.

1129
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: A former basketball player. Ken Nussmeyer look like a pro

1130
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 3: quarterback against Alabama's defense. That's really what this game is about,

1131
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 3: I think. But there's a lot of other matchups that

1132
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: we could talk about.

1133
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 4: Tony I'm gonna I'm gonna flip it around. I mean,

1134
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 4: Todd Simpson, I'm going up against a good LSU secondary

1135
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 4: man short lane, the cornerback who we've talked about a

1136
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 4: couple times on this show. I think is really helping

1137
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 4: us up. The Virginia Tech transfer safety aj Halsey. Who

1138
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 4: any receiver coming up in the middle, Any Alabama receiver

1139
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 4: coming over the middle, better be aware, better watch out,

1140
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 4: because this guy will take your head off. He is physical,

1141
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,799
Speaker 4: he is explosive. So I think Tys Simpson is going

1142
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 4: to have a real good battle against a very good LSU.

1143
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 4: LSU secondary. The rest of the team seems to be

1144
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 4: crumbling around. The offensive line is not played well for LSU,

1145
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 4: but they are a good secondary.

1146
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, du Wayne gave up seven touchdowns at Virginia Tech

1147
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,399
Speaker 3: last year, seven this year. You can't throw against them,

1148
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 3: So it's so interesting. I don't know if it's coaching.

1149
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a maturity, but it's really

1150
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 3: crazy to see how a guy can be giving up

1151
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 3: so many big plays and then just shut everybody down

1152
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 3: this year.

1153
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 2: It's it's really interesting, and I think it shows you

1154
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 2: how corner can be a position that's very volatile from

1155
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: year to year, which which makes them kind of so

1156
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 2: dangerous to pick.

1157
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: Hind the draft. Guys, so much fun, Chad, thank you

1158
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: so much being with us.

1159
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 2: Tony as always, we appreciate the time and thanks so much, Chad.

1160
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

1161
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love being here, I love talking to you guys.

1162
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 3: So it has been great. Thanks a lot.

1163
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 1: That's Draft Season presented by Moody's.

1164
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: We'll see you next week, everybody, when Ryan Wilson from

1165
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: CBS joins us to go through Tony's risers and sliders

1166
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: on defense.