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Speaker 2: Congratulations to the Seahawks who dominated the Patriots twenty nine

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Speaker 2: to thirteen. Although it's an interesting way to say dominating

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, because it certainly felt that way. But it

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Speaker 2: was only nine to nothing, and you kept thinking, goll ye,

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Speaker 2: if they get a pick six, they get a fumble,

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Speaker 2: they get maybe a long run, something here, and we

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Speaker 2: kept waiting for something here. And then we had an

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Speaker 2: exciting fourth quarter. But it was one of those games

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Speaker 2: where I kept thinking, is New England going to steal this?

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Speaker 2: This great defensive performance by Seattle will be wasted by

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Speaker 2: a couple of plays. But give credit to Seattle. They

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Speaker 2: came up with big plays when they needed to. Drake

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Speaker 2: May was sacked six times. Sam Donald played okay, Drake

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Speaker 2: May played okay in the fourth quarter. Kenneth Walker Junior,

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Speaker 2: the third named most Valuable Player. After the game, Sam

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Speaker 2: Darnold talked about what this moment meant?

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Speaker 3: Sam, What does this moment mean?

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Speaker 4: It's unbelievable, you know, just everything that's that's happened in

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Speaker 4: my career. About to do it with this team. I

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Speaker 4: wouldn't want it any other way. I'm so proud of

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Speaker 4: our guys, our defense. I mean, I can't say enough

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Speaker 4: great things about our defense, our special teams. I know

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Speaker 4: we won the Super Bowl, but it could have been

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Speaker 4: a little bit better on offense, but I don't care

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Speaker 4: about that right now. It's an unbelievable feeling.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: I'm just so happy for the guys in the locker

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Speaker 4: room and the coaches that put in so much effort

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Speaker 4: throughout the whole season.

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Speaker 2: That defense was spectacular. They were wonderful, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I think we all thought during the year that New

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Speaker 2: England was going to be there a year earlier because

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Speaker 2: it's a very young team. They got cap space, they

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Speaker 2: got draft picks. I mean, they are set up for

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Speaker 2: the future, and they did look like they were a

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Speaker 2: year or two early there.

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Speaker 6: Seattle.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that was impressive really from start to finish, and

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Speaker 2: I thought Chris Collins brought up a great point. New

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Speaker 2: England's defense in the first half so aggressive, overly aggressive,

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Speaker 2: as if to say, we have to win it with defense.

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Speaker 2: We don't have enough offense. And that's why I picked

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Speaker 2: Seattle to win twenty four to thirteen. I didn't think

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Speaker 2: New England could score twenty points. Therefore, it came down

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Speaker 2: to could Seattle score twenty points. They ended up with

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Speaker 2: twenty nine, but Mike McDonald a lot of praise. He

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Speaker 2: was calling the defensive plays while being the head coach,

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Speaker 2: and that defense was everywhere swarming and even New England's

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Speaker 2: Christian gonzalezly he made some big plays. But you know,

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Speaker 2: you had too many players on Seattle making too many plays.

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Speaker 2: And Kenneth Walker when you're around running backs like that

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Speaker 2: because he's not tall and you go, how is he

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Speaker 2: so fast? But he's so good And there's one play

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Speaker 2: in particular, and Collinsworth even pointed this out. He was

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Speaker 2: kind of walking up to the line of scrimmage. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Leveon Bell created a whole new running style and here

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Speaker 2: was Kenneth Walker just kind of walking up and then boom,

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Speaker 2: he sees his moment and takes advantage of it. They

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Speaker 2: had enough plays to be able to keep New England's

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Speaker 2: defense honest. But it doesn't matter the stats for Sam Donald,

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Speaker 2: and I know you can be really picky. We'll go

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Speaker 2: back and look at Tom Brady's first couple of Super Bowls. Okay,

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Speaker 2: they won with defense. They didn't ask much Peyton Manning's

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Speaker 2: last Super Bowl. He didn't do anything. Sometimes you're along

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Speaker 2: for the ride, but what you did to get your

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Speaker 2: the ride. Give Sam Donald a lot of credit because

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Speaker 2: you get kicked to the curb. You've played for five

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Speaker 2: teams and now you're a Super Bowl champ. The Seahawks

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Speaker 2: head coach Mike McDonald on the decision to bring Sam

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Speaker 2: Darnald to Seattle.

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Speaker 7: John deserves a lot of credit to that processing.

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Speaker 8: That's kind of on chartered waters that you have to navigate,

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Speaker 8: and you know, it's the outside eye probably seem like

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Speaker 8: it happened fast, but he did a great job of

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Speaker 8: guiding us through all those decisions.

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Speaker 7: We're on record with it. Clint had a relationship with him.

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Speaker 8: There's a lot of people in our building, the new

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Speaker 8: Sam that.

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Speaker 7: You could vouch for who he was as a person.

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Speaker 7: The tape backed it up.

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Speaker 8: I think people made too big of a deal with

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Speaker 8: him of like the last two games in the season,

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Speaker 8: which I thought was his dumb Like watch the whole season.

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Speaker 8: The guy played great all year. He came in too

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Speaker 8: limit and beat us. They won like fourteen games, So

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Speaker 8: Clint knew he could do the stuff that we want

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Speaker 8: him to do in our offense and then was a

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Speaker 2: I think it's kind of sloppy take if you say

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Speaker 2: it was not a good football game, because then you're

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Speaker 2: missing out on the dominance of that Seattle defense. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you go back to the eighty five Bears against the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: you might say that wasn't a good game. You're missing

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Speaker 2: the point. You're watching a historical performance by the defense.

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Speaker 2: And that's what you had with Seattle. The fourth Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl team in history to allow fewer than fourteen points,

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Speaker 2: get six or more sacks, and score a defensive touchdown.

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Speaker 2: The Broncos did that in Super Bowl fifty when they

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Speaker 2: dominated the Panthers. The Bears did that when they beat

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Speaker 2: the Patriots forty six to ten. And then the Raiders,

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Speaker 2: going back to the Jack Squire a picked six on

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Speaker 2: Joe Thiisman that was thirty eight to nine. That's pretty

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Speaker 2: good company there with some great defenses. And I know

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Speaker 2: and it comes down to, as I tell you every

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Speaker 2: single year at this time, if you can run the

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Speaker 2: football and play defense, you can win the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: If you get to this point this game, and given

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Speaker 2: all the tension and how Super Bowls get out of

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Speaker 2: hand one mistake and then it leads to another. If

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Speaker 2: you can run the football, be as close to turnover free,

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Speaker 2: and play great defense, you'll win. And that's what happened

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Speaker 2: again last night. So all the fanfare for throwing the

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Speaker 2: ball wide open offenses, it came down to Kenneth Walker

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Speaker 2: running the football and that defense being unbelievable. All right,

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Speaker 2: Seaton Poll question for hour one is going to be what.

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Speaker 6: Got a couple options here for you?

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Speaker 9: Sort of off that topic, which unit deserves most credit

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Speaker 9: for Seattle's win? Run, the pass rush, secondary run game,

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Speaker 2: Teams, special teams, special teams. I mean, everybody was really

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Speaker 2: good that you mentioned, But when they place such an

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Speaker 2: emphasis on special teams in Seattle, and when your field

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Speaker 2: goal kicker and your punter are changing the game, they're

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Speaker 2: making their field goals and their punts are inside the

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Speaker 2: ten yard line, huge, massive, and what that does psychologically

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Speaker 2: when you have the ball at the twenty or twenty five,

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Speaker 2: moving the ball at all and you have no big

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Speaker 2: play capabilities. I thought that was just devastating for the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: But that pass rush, if you don't have to blitz man.

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Speaker 6: Is that an advantage?

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Speaker 2: And Tony Dungeye talked about that. We've seen these moments

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Speaker 2: where you go, they don't even have to rush another guy,

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Speaker 2: They just have four and that allows the secondary. If

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Speaker 2: beach over the top. Seattle never worried about getting beat deep.

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Speaker 2: It was all right in front of them.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Paul Michael Dixon the punter for the Seahawks. Seven punts

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Speaker 11: forty eight yard average, three of them down inside the

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Speaker 11: six yard line, two returns for a total of four yards.

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Speaker 11: He also was the holder on all the kicks and

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Speaker 11: he got a couple of bat snaps, but to.

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Speaker 2: Be able to pin them back. I don't think he

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Speaker 2: had a touch back in the playoffs. Seattle didn't have

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Speaker 2: a turnover in the playoffs. I mean, those things don't happen.

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Speaker 2: And I think with Sam Darnold you were probably waiting

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Speaker 2: for now. He didn't play good in the first half,

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Speaker 2: and I thought New England had a couple of chances,

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Speaker 2: certainly for interceptions, maybe a pick six, But that Seattle

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Speaker 2: defense was fun to watch dominating, and that left side

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Speaker 2: first I was just I kept watching, and those guys

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Speaker 2: were drowning. They were drowning there in Seattle Green and

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Speaker 2: you could tell Drake May, I mean, that's where you

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Speaker 2: see ghosts. Sam Darnold famously said he saw ghosts. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna guess Drake May saw some ghosts and will continue

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Speaker 2: to see some ghosts. And I know afterwards he talked

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Speaker 2: about his shoulder. There was talk about the shoulder during

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl week. He got it shot up to play.

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Speaker 2: Might be one of those where he gets it cleaned

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Speaker 2: out in the off season. I don't know how much

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Speaker 2: of a factor that had. I don't know if it

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Speaker 2: would have mattered if he was completely healthy. Just there

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Speaker 2: was no time to think when he went back there.

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Speaker 2: All right, So we got a poll question on the

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Speaker 2: part of the Seahawks team that stood out the most.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and then this is sort of cut from the

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Speaker 9: same cloth though, But what actually decided last night's game

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Speaker 9: was at the Seahawks pass rush and the Patriots offensive line,

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Speaker 9: special teams or coaching man, you gotta.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's all of the above.

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Speaker 2: Like that was total team total, and the only dip

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Speaker 2: was really JSN wasn't a fact. I mean, imagine that

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Speaker 2: if I said, yeah, they won and JSN wasn't a

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Speaker 2: but they ended up dominating, you know, to win it

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Speaker 2: in double figures. And you kept wondering, if you know,

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Speaker 2: is there something more that New England can do? And

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Speaker 2: here's Josh McDaniels, who has more experience than any other

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Speaker 2: offensive coordinator in NFL history in the Super Bowl, and

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Speaker 2: I kept thinking, I want Drake Made to get the

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Speaker 2: ball and get it out of his hands, like right away,

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Speaker 2: you know, almost a Brady like playbook of just get

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Speaker 2: it out. I don't care where it's going, get it out,

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Speaker 2: because if you go back and you're seven steps back

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Speaker 2: and you got that rush coming off the edge, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna have a lot of company all night on this.

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Speaker 6: This time, we're gonna stop him. Yeah, let's just run again.

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Speaker 6: This time we'll stop him. What the hell, dude, what

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Speaker 6: are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I think we're tiring them out. Now we can throw

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Speaker 2: that pass and then you're going, Okay, who's their deep

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Speaker 2: to it wasn't a great offense and Drake May what

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Speaker 2: he did during the regular season. I still would look

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Speaker 2: at him as the MVP because of what he did

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Speaker 2: during the regular season. And that's what the vote is.

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Speaker 2: You know, they tabulate that before the postseason starts. He

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Speaker 2: did not have a good postseason at all. Sacked fumbles,

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Speaker 2: did not play well at all, but they somehow got

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Speaker 2: to this point. Give credit to Vrabel, he did a

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Speaker 2: wonderful job. He's your coach of the year. But man,

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Speaker 2: oh man, Mike McDonald had a game plan. Yeah, seedon.

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Speaker 9: I do I love the Sam Donald redemption story. And

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Speaker 9: it's unfortunate that Drake May had a terrible postseason but

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Speaker 9: really played a terrible game. And I do think it's

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Speaker 9: funny that Drake May threw for more touchdown passes last

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Speaker 9: night than Sam Donald. And Sam Donald resurrected his career

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Speaker 9: off of this run. And Drake May's got to go

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Speaker 9: back to the drawing board. Well, it's like things that

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Speaker 9: don't add up when you look at them on paper.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering, and I kept thinking I'd be passing

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Speaker 6: Yes, Tom, I was wondering at.

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Speaker 12: Halftime, as good as a coach as Mike Rabel is

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Speaker 12: Is there anything he really could have said or done

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Speaker 2: I would have said, we're down nine to nothing. All

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Speaker 6: Like, I don't know what are we doing. I don't know.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, and that second half opening drive I think is

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Speaker 9: That was crucially important to at least move the chains

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Speaker 6: Your reaction overall to the game last.

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Speaker 5: Night, Well, Dan, I think it was a game to

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Speaker 5: I thought even the New England Patriots for the first

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Speaker 5: the halftime. So it was it was a game again

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Speaker 2: What's it like going into halftime? Now you're down nine nothing,

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Speaker 5: You know, It's one of those things that's funny because

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Speaker 5: Take some time, get away getting your blocker. He hads

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Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out what they were going

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Speaker 5: But when you're call calling the game, as Mike has done,

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Speaker 2: point coaching in the Super Bowl? And so when does

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Speaker 2: the enormity of everybody's watching.

437
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Speaker 5: The enormity hits you? In the pregame, I feel like

438
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 5: the lead up to it, you can try to keep

439
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 5: things as normal as possible. Certainly the night before, you know,

440
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 5: the day out, as you sit there in your hotel,

441
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 5: we're ready to go to get on a bus at

442
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 5: least when you're on the West coast, it's not as

443
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Speaker 5: long as a day when you're on the East coast

444
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 5: and you have to sit there till like five o'clock

445
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 5: or four o'clock, and it's like you're looking for a

446
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 5: movie or looking for something. I didn't want to watch

447
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,119
Speaker 5: anything else. And so it does become that when you

448
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 5: get to the stadium, you can just feel the buzz.

449
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 5: There's more people on the sideline. You know, the finality

450
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 5: that's going to take place, at the opportunity, how close

451
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 5: you are to make a history, and it's real. And

452
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 5: I think again it's real. And particularly I know for

453
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Speaker 5: us when we went into the Dome in Detroit, I

454
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 5: could just the dome in itself was just a buzz

455
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,280
Speaker 5: and so that took another level of noise that we

456
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 5: had to kind of deal with. So I think once

457
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 5: the game gets underway, yes, you kind of start to

458
00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 5: play the game and you fall into whatever the deal

459
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 5: of the game is, but the lead up to it

460
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 5: is real. It's the biggest game of your career. You

461
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 5: never know if you're going to get back there again.

462
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 5: Is you may not think that way, but you know

463
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 5: that's been the case We've all seen the history of

464
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 5: all the players who says, well, we'll be back and

465
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 5: they never got back. And the people that who said, yeah,

466
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 5: it works out close to being to this Super Bowl,

467
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 5: and they never get there. So it's an opportunity of

468
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,840
Speaker 5: a lifetime, a chance to make history. And you understand that,

469
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 5: particularly as it leads up to the game and as

470
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Speaker 5: you get to the stadium.

471
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Speaker 6: Did you see famous people on the sidelines when you

472
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Speaker 6: were in the Super Bowl?

473
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Speaker 5: You know, there were so many people, you know, I

474
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,679
Speaker 5: stayed on the field. It's like you walk between the lines.

475
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 5: I mean, I think you know again, It's like you

476
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 5: walk between the lines and you sit there and you

477
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 5: just kind of stay and try keep things as normal.

478
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 5: You try to keep things as routine as possible. And

479
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,800
Speaker 5: I think that's the biggest thing I didn't. I never

480
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 5: got caught up with that. I tried to get the

481
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Speaker 5: game going and make sure I look into the eyes

482
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Speaker 5: of my players. I haven't worried about the eyes and

483
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 5: people are looking at us. I want to make sure

484
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 5: I look in the eyes of the guys that we

485
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 5: have ready to play that game and try to just

486
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 5: tell them relax, some fun. We worked too hard to

487
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 5: get here enough to enjoy it and trust what you

488
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 5: see and play fast, play hard, and if you make

489
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,199
Speaker 5: some mistakes, let it go and just go on to

490
00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 5: the next play.

491
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Speaker 2: It is amazing how many teams what they do to

492
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: young quarterbacks. It just feels like more young quarterbacks are

493
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: ruined than developed. And you know, Sam Donald was supposed

494
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: to be the safe pick in that draft by the Jets,

495
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,920
Speaker 2: but the Jets weren't ready for Sam Donald. Yeah, and

496
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: you know most teams give up on these quarterbacks after

497
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: two or three years. Here's Sam eight years in and

498
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: now he wins his Super Bowl. But can you can

499
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Speaker 2: you be cautious at that position because it doesn't feel

500
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Speaker 2: like coaches, general managers are well.

501
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Speaker 5: I don't know if cautious is the right word. I

502
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 5: always thought this day. I think when you look at

503
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 5: the Seattle Seahawks this year, I think they were the

504
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,399
Speaker 5: most balanced team in the National Football League when you

505
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 5: talk about special teams, Jason Myers, and they got Dixon Dickison,

506
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 5: who's maybe best punter in the National Football that we

507
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 5: saw take play out yesterday with some of the punts

508
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 5: he had down on the ball inside the five yard line.

509
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 5: Rashie Shaheed all of a sudden as a putt return,

510
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 5: they pick him up. At the draft. He saw and

511
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 5: solid defense, as we talked about, one of the best

512
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Speaker 5: in the National Football League. And then you look on

513
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 5: the offensive side of the ball, Jackson Smith and Jigba

514
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 5: I mean, one of the best receiver offensive player of

515
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 5: the year. And then you have a two headed running

516
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 5: back with Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonney and don't forget

517
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 5: about him through the course of that weekend. That that

518
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 5: helps the offensive line. So Sam Darnold became just a

519
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 5: piece of that, and I think to a large degree

520
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 5: that that's where it was on the other side with

521
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 5: Drake May you know, his legs got them there. But

522
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 5: there was a defense, it was a running game, it

523
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 5: was a special teams. They did all the little things

524
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 5: that it took to get there. So I think there

525
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 5: was ever a message that said, you know, we don't

526
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 5: have the quarterback. As we get the quarterback to win

527
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 5: the championship. I think yesterday proved that it's more about

528
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 5: getting a complete team and building the team and when

529
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 5: that special guy comes along, I go at the same

530
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 5: thing that that's what we try to do in Pittsburgh

531
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 5: and we won some playoff games with different quarterbacks, but

532
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 5: when we had a special guy come along like Ben Roethlisberger,

533
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 5: that's when championships come along. So I think that's the

534
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 5: biggest thing is along the way you build that offensive line,

535
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 5: you build that defense, you get a special guy like

536
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 5: Devin Wetherspoon who can play multiple positions and be kind

537
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 5: of an impact player, and you get a running game

538
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 5: with a Kenneth Walker and then a special number one receiver.

539
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 5: So you build the things around us. To said, if

540
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 5: you build it, they will come, and they may be

541
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Speaker 5: that quarterback that you're waiting for that can fill that void.

542
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 5: And for Sam Darnold, he was that guy for them

543
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 5: this year. And I think again for Drake May a

544
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 5: young quarterback they got there. His future is very bright

545
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 5: ahead of him.

546
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 6: Well what's it like after winning the Super Bowl?

547
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 2: That highest of highs and then you have to go

548
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: back to just normal life.

549
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's why I said to me, losing the

550
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 5: championship game was much harder. And I lost that four times.

551
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 5: I've lost the Super Bowl once, won it once, but

552
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 5: it was no. Championship games was harder because you know

553
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 5: you sit there for two weeks and you're looking at

554
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 5: the team that you had a chance to beat, and

555
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 5: you could have beaten them. Look at the Rams and

556
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 5: they could have gone there to Denver if they had

557
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 5: their quarterback? Did they get there? Do they have it?

558
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 5: Is it a different outcome? So you watch it for

559
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 5: two weeks. But after this game, everyone's next weekend. I

560
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 5: was watching NCTATE basketball. I mean so, I mean there's

561
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 5: no where football there's finality to what you do. And

562
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 5: I think that's the thing to me. I know, the

563
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 5: day after we won a championship, I was in a

564
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 5: basketball gym watching my daughter play basketball back in Pittsburgh,

565
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 5: and so it was like, okay, now now it's off

566
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 5: season comes and there's normality, and my wife is telling

567
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 5: me where to go and what time I needed to

568
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 5: be there, what time is the game? And so so

569
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Speaker 5: it's just like you know, when the season was over,

570
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 5: it's like the projects were thrown right in front of me. Okay,

571
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 5: I know this is where I go. I do have

572
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 5: the combine coming up. It's like okay, but until you

573
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 5: have the combine coming up, you got to at least

574
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Speaker 5: a week of all these things we talked about doing.

575
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Speaker 5: So it's just this talking to start to check them

576
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 5: out of the off the list. You have some projects

577
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 5: to do. And oh yeah, by the way, your daughter

578
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 5: playing a basketball game tonight. Gotcha, I'll be there.

579
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us all season long. We appreciate your insight,

580
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: your sense of humor.

581
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 5: Yes, And can I ask you a question? Like what's

582
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 5: the story behind the bar?

583
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 6: This is Green Bay.

584
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 2: We went up for the draft and there is a

585
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: place called the bar, okay, and we held our we

586
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: did our show up there a couple of days at

587
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: the bar in Green Bay.

588
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 5: So what do you have outline for Pittsburgh?

589
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 6: Since I don't know, you tell me because we'll be

590
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 6: off for the.

591
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 5: Draft, okay, So can I give you some suggestions?

592
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 6: Yeah?

593
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 5: Okay, Well I can't do it right now. And we're

594
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 5: looking to see what's available, okay, And like what kind

595
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 5: of like like do you have good company that comes

596
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 5: with you or you guys not a rowting group?

597
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 6: Are you what do you want us to be?

598
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 5: Well? I think it'd be good. Like I think you've

599
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 5: got to be able to adapt and a jest, I'm

600
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 5: not sure what kind of bar I can get you?

601
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Speaker 5: So are you adaptable and adjustable?

602
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 6: Yes? I am a five tool player coach.

603
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, whatever, if you want to get after it

604
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: and and do some some drinking, is that what you're

605
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: saying you.

606
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, It's just it's just the feel

607
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: for the just in the field, for the vibe. The

608
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 5: vibe you gotta be able to adapt to. It's like

609
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 5: a game, Dan, like like you know, I don't know

610
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 5: if it's going to be a high score scoring, I

611
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 5: don't know. We gotta be able to adjust. You adjusted

612
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 5: to the bar. I just want to know exactly that

613
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 5: was what you came from. So I'm just You're going

614
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 5: to Pittsburgh this year, so I just want to make

615
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 5: sure I get you the right place. And I know

616
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: that you're very adaptable, so I'm not going to concern

617
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 5: myself with that.

618
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm from Cincinnati. That's okay, just like Pittsburgh, only nicer.

619
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Speaker 5: Well, well, I love I love Cincinnati. Check my record again,

620
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 5: really really loves you.

621
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Speaker 3: Loves you guys.

622
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Speaker 5: I just loved you, guys.

623
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Speaker 2: Will we'll see you in April perhaps if you're in

624
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh there and give us Fritzy will reach out to

625
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: get some suggestions from you.

626
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 5: I have Fritz you reach out I'll make sure I

627
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 5: give you some some some some locations that I think

628
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 5: will fit the bye that you will bring to that

629
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Speaker 5: that that establishment.

630
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Speaker 6: PAULI, do you have coaches record?

631
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Speaker 11: Of course we do, twenty two to nine versus the

632
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 11: Bengals in his career.

633
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 6: Did you ever feel bad beating up on him?

634
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 5: No? Okay, matter of fact, my last, my last, my

635
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 5: last win as an NFL head coach was down in

636
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Speaker 5: Cincinnati and it was an overtime. It was a slam

637
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 5: pass from Bren Broethlisberg at the Santonio Holmes and we

638
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 5: walked off. We won that game. And when they said

639
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 5: who day, I said, we.

640
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Speaker 2: Day man, Okay, man picked on my Bengals.

641
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I you know I gave you Marvin Lewis,

642
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 5: he was he coached for for Pittsburgh for a long time.

643
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Thank you.

644
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 3: Coach Dick Clebo too.

645
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 5: Actually I got the Bilbo and send them back to you. Yeah,

646
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 5: and then he came back.

647
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 6: Great, great man, great coach, good.

648
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 5: Man, really good, very good coach.

649
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 6: Okay, all right, thank you, coach.

650
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Speaker 5: Talk to you soon.

651
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Speaker 6: That's Bill Cower.

652
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Speaker 1: listen live.

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Speaker 2: Ross Tucker CBS Sports Westwood One, NFL college football analyst

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Speaker 2: and host of the Ross Tucker Football Podcast. Back at

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Speaker 2: a home in Pennsylvania, took the Red Eye out of

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Speaker 2: San Francisco last night.

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Speaker 6: How you feeling.

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Speaker 10: Fine? Yeah? I feel good.

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Speaker 14: I feel better than then I would feel if I

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Speaker 14: did what Fritzy thought I did.

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Speaker 10: Fritzy texting me Dan Fritzy thought I flew to London

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Speaker 10: to call the game on radio. No.

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Speaker 3: I was double checking to make sure that he was

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Speaker 3: in fact that Levi statement.

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Speaker 12: It wasn't one of these things where he's in some

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Speaker 12: studio in England doing it with his partner in England

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Speaker 12: and they're just kind of doing it from there or something.

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Speaker 3: But I there's a question, So.

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Speaker 14: Todd, you thought I was in San Francisco all week,

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Speaker 14: including on set with you guys, and then you thought

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Speaker 14: I flew to London from San Francisco to call game

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Speaker 14: in a studio.

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Speaker 10: It would seem like a very odd Back in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 12: That would be you got a lot of frequent flyer miles,

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Speaker 12: but it would be very strange if you were asked

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Speaker 12: to do that.

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Speaker 3: I had the talk sports folks.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, Todd, I'm one of your biggest supporters,

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Speaker 14: but say it out loud, like, say it out loud first.

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Speaker 3: I probably shouldn't have asked that question.

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Speaker 2: He did talk about doing the game and the broadcaster

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Speaker 2: from England was coming over to San Francisco.

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Speaker 12: I know, but I've made mistakes in the past and

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Speaker 12: it's still stuck in my head with like lines, we're

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Speaker 12: promoting things that I've put you in a bad spot

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Speaker 12: where that's not the name of the book or that's

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Speaker 12: not the game that was on Fox or whatever. I'm like,

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Speaker 12: so now triple and quadriple checking everything, even at the

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Speaker 12: risk of sounding stupid like I did hear.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how would you sum up the first half Ross?

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Speaker 14: Oh geez, I never know. Is it a defensive struggle

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Speaker 14: or an offensive struggle? And how much of that was

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Speaker 14: good defense how much it was bad offense. I gotta

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Speaker 14: tell you it was good defense, really good defense, but

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Speaker 14: neither offense played very well, you know, And I gotta

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Speaker 14: tell you, as a former offensive lineman, I was really

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Speaker 14: frustrated and disappointed with how poor of a job both

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Speaker 14: teams did picking up blitzes. I mean they ran the

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Speaker 14: same Devin Witherspoon blitz off the edge where he comes

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Speaker 14: underneath the tackle six or seven times in the game.

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Speaker 10: I'm not sure the Patriots picked it up once.

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Speaker 14: There were mental errors by the Seahawks where guys were

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Speaker 14: coming free. Interestingly, Sam Darnald did a better job of

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Speaker 14: avoiding free runners like Milton Williams and not taking sacks.

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Speaker 10: Than Drake May. Where you thought May had the advantage

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Speaker 10: in athleticism and he ran for more yards, but Donald.

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Speaker 14: Multiple times a guy came Scott free, he made a

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Speaker 14: miss and threw it or ran or whatever. Meanwhile, Drake

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Speaker 14: May is standing there and lets himself get sacked by

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Speaker 14: a bull rush from Riley Mills or steps up into

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Speaker 14: a sack. I thought the pocket movement pocket presence from

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Speaker 14: the quarterbacks.

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Speaker 10: Was one of the differences in the game. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I kept waiting for them to give a little bit

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Speaker 2: of help on the left side of line or change

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Speaker 2: up the rhythm here. It just they kept knowing this

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Speaker 2: thing and Seattle kept doing the same thing.

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Speaker 14: Dan, I'm so glad to hear you say that. You know,

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Speaker 14: after the first sack that Will Campbell gave up. I said,

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Speaker 14: any other pressure that comes from that side, that's on

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Speaker 14: Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 10: That's on the coaching staff. And Josh was.

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Speaker 14: My coordinator when I was in New England. I'm a

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Speaker 14: big fan of Josh. He does a terrific job. But

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Speaker 14: the kid was really struggling. I mean he struggled the

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Speaker 14: last five or six weeks. Everybody knew his confidence was shot.

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Speaker 14: Everybody knew you could go speed to power, and so

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Speaker 14: did the Seahawks, and they just kept doing it. And

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Speaker 14: I was surprised that the Patriots didn't slide more to

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Speaker 14: help him, didn't give him more chip help. I mean,

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Speaker 14: that was one of the biggest differences in the game.

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Speaker 14: Was it fourteen pressures or seventeen?

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Speaker 10: I think he gave up fourteen pressures in one football game.

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Speaker 2: And that's your blind side too, so you got two

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Speaker 2: first year guys on your left side protecting your back.

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Speaker 2: And but you know, I look at it as that

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Speaker 2: was an elite defensive performance, special teams performance. You got

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Speaker 2: enough out of Kenneth Walker to keep the defense honest.

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Speaker 2: Sam Darnold no turnovers, and that's a recipe for success

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Speaker 2: in a regular season game or a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: And Kenneth Walker, He's one of the craziest runners I've

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Speaker 14: ever seen. I mean, Dan, he almost never runs the

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Speaker 14: ball where he's supposed to go, almost never, and sometimes

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Speaker 14: he gets in trouble and loses yardage as a result.

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Speaker 14: But it'll supposed to be an inside run to the left,

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Speaker 14: he'll bounce it way outside. It'll supposed to be an

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Speaker 14: outside run in the left, he'll cut it all the

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Speaker 14: way back behind everything to the right.

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Speaker 10: And it cost him every once in a while. But

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Speaker 10: you know, both teams were aware of it.

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Speaker 14: I talk with both coaching staffs, you know, for the

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Speaker 14: Rossucker podcast last week. They knew if you're an O lineman,

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Speaker 14: D lineman, tight end, whatever, you never know where the

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Speaker 14: ball's gonna go with Walker. And look, he was very productive.

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Speaker 14: He had a terrific night. He's gonna give you some

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Speaker 14: lost yardage plays. I'll be very curious to see what

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Speaker 14: the market's like for him and free agency. There's probably

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Speaker 14: some pressure on the Seahawks to bring him back now

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Speaker 14: he's Super Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 6: Moving forward.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this leading up to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: and even this morning. The Patriots are set up for success.

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Speaker 2: Maybe got there a year early, but they do have

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Speaker 2: young players, don't have to pay Drake May yet. You

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Speaker 2: got draft picks, you got you know, salary cap money here,

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Speaker 2: and then you have Seattle who is already made. So

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Speaker 2: moving forward here, Seattle have a better chance of reaching

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Speaker 2: turning the New England.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think so, just because I thought over the

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Speaker 14: last month or so, I thought the Seahawks were the

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Speaker 14: best team of the NFL, and they prove that.

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Speaker 10: The issue with them is that division is gonna be tough.

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Speaker 10: I mean, the Rams aren't going anywhere. Stafford said he's

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Speaker 10: coming back. The Niners are gonna get Fred Warner and

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Speaker 10: Nick Bosa back.

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Speaker 14: That's sort of the issue for the Seahawks is just

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Speaker 14: how competitive their division is. Conversely, for the Patriots, you know,

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Speaker 14: I couldn't help but wonder watching that game, Dan, it

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Speaker 14: just feels like it would have been a lot more

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Speaker 14: competitive if it were the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 2: You know, and look Buffalo, I'm sure Buffalo feels the same.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the Rams feel like they should have. How

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Speaker 2: many teams do you think watched that game and said

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Speaker 2: we could win the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 14: Well, those two for sure, you know, and Honestly, a

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Speaker 14: Bills Rams game might have been even more compelling. But

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Speaker 14: you gotta win. You gotta win when you're in the playoffs,

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Speaker 14: when you have the chance. The Rams had the chance

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Speaker 14: to be the number one seed. They blew it in

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Speaker 14: that Week sixteen game. That kind of came back to

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Speaker 14: haunt them. And the Bills had more than enough chances against.

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Speaker 10: The Broncos that they weren't able to get done.

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Speaker 14: You know, I'll be curious also to see how Drake

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Speaker 14: may comes out of this.

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Speaker 10: He looked rattled. You know, he had an awesome season,

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Speaker 10: but this playoff run. I think it wore on him.

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Speaker 14: I don't know how much was the shoulder, but it

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Speaker 14: was mentally like he was you know, there were times

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Speaker 14: you just standing there like a statue. He was taking sacks.

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Speaker 14: He wasn't as decisive as he should have been. He

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Speaker 14: missed some throws. You know, I never know, Dan, and

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Speaker 14: there's no way to know if there will be carryover

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Speaker 14: in the next year from that standpoint, because you got

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Speaker 14: to think, I mean, at a minimum, his confidence was

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Speaker 14: not where easy to be. He never looked comfortable. He

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Speaker 14: never was able to get to a good place at all.

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Speaker 2: And I put that on the coaching staff because you

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Speaker 2: have to put him in situations where get a couple

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Speaker 2: of plays, get comfortable, get any kind of rhythm. I

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Speaker 2: would never have him that deep in the backfield because

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Speaker 2: it just like he was sitting there.

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Speaker 6: He was a target.

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Speaker 2: Instead of and I said this to coach Kawer, I

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Speaker 2: would have had the Tom Brady playbook that ball is

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Speaker 2: going to be out.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 2: They didn't have weapons, and it's easy to say get

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Speaker 2: the ball out, but I certainly like that option better

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Speaker 2: than having him stand back there and you know, seven

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Speaker 2: steps back and letting them just go, hey, who wants

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Speaker 2: to tackle him?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? What happened to screen passes? I mean what happened?

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Speaker 2: They had a couple of them, and then I just

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Speaker 2: thought they gave up on the run as well, And

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Speaker 2: because Seattle was like, I don't know you're gonna run.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we're going after Drake may Well.

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Speaker 10: And I mean Stefan Diggs.

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Speaker 14: At some point you got to throw the ball to

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Speaker 14: him and hope he makes a play for you.

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Speaker 10: And they didn't really do that. And I go back

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Speaker 10: again to the Devin Witherspoon blitz.

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Speaker 14: That's not pro football, Dan, I mean, in pro football

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Speaker 14: a lot of times, especially in a big game, the

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Speaker 14: defense will have a new blitz.

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Speaker 10: We used to call it the flavor of the week.

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Speaker 14: Right, they have a new blitz we haven't seen, so

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Speaker 14: they get you on it the first time. These guys

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Speaker 14: now have iPads or whatever they're called tablets on the sideline.

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Speaker 14: We didn't even used to have those where they can

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Speaker 14: watch exactly how the blitz is coming.

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Speaker 10: The fact that the Seahawks still got home.

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Speaker 14: With Witherspoon, including the game clinching play four more times,

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Speaker 14: that blows my mind away. That Josh McDaniels and the

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Speaker 14: Patriots coaching staff allowed themselves to continually get beat by

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Speaker 14: essentially the.

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Speaker 10: Same blitz that should not and cannot happen.

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Speaker 2: Is Sam Darnold now in scholarship the rest of his career.

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Speaker 14: No, I don't think it works that way, especially not

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Speaker 14: with John Schneider in Seattle. I mean he's shown that

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Speaker 14: with Russell Wilson, he's shown that with Geno Smith. I mean,

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Speaker 14: obviously he's in a terrific place and they're happy to

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Speaker 14: have him. It is funny, you know what you guys

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Speaker 14: should do or I should do. There were a lot

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Speaker 14: of people, including a lot of Seahawks fans that were

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Speaker 14: not happy that they traded Geno Smith to the Raiders

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Speaker 14: and felt like the organization was a being cheap and

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Speaker 14: b that it was a major downgrade from Geno Smith

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Speaker 14: to Donald go back, go back and watch that.

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Speaker 6: And the media, the Seattle media too.

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Speaker 14: It's for sure. And ironically, the Raiders went out in

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Speaker 14: the opener. The Raiders and Pete Carroll went out in

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Speaker 14: the opener and beat the Patriots, the team that ends

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Speaker 14: up and I was like, the only win that Geo

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Speaker 14: Smith and Pete Carroll really had last year, and obviously

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Speaker 14: that team that goes to the super Bowl.

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Speaker 10: But I'm so happy for Dark. I mean to play

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Speaker 10: for five teams.

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Speaker 14: You know, I think I told you guys this last

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Speaker 14: week because I played for five teams. You're not that

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Speaker 14: good because if you were really good, you would only play.

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Speaker 10: For one or two.

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Speaker 14: But you're not that bad because if you're really bad,

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Speaker 14: you only play for one er two.

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Speaker 6: Go get some sleep.

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Speaker 10: Oh, I'm going right now. I will literally be asleep

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Speaker 10: by eleven am. It's gonna be epic.

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Speaker 3: It's a good time in London.

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Speaker 6: Fritzi. Do not do not get a hold of Ross yeah, but.

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Speaker 3: It's like six hours later. It's like four thirty the afternoon.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Ross, See you guys, Ross Tucker