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Speaker 2: how are you on this Sunday?

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Speaker 1: Awesome? Awesome had a late night last night hosting a

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Speaker 2: Well, we got a lot of things to catch up

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Speaker 2: right now. On we got the NFL combine. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: get to plenty of news out of that. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to start the show though, because history was made last

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Speaker 2: night with Lebron James becoming the first NBA player to

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Speaker 2: score forty thousand points.

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Speaker 1: I mean that is just such a I mean, can

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Speaker 1: we just stop and think about that for a second.

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Speaker 1: Forty thousand points? All right? That is going to be Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's certain records like I mean to put

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Speaker 2: it in perspective, here of active players, right, Kevin Durant

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Speaker 2: is at twenty eight thousand, and he's already thirty five

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Speaker 2: years of age, so he's twelve thousand away. And by

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Speaker 2: the way, Lebron's adding to that total. It's not like

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Speaker 2: he's retiring, so he's gonna continue to add to that total.

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Speaker 1: There are certain and also remember he wants to play

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Speaker 2: He is gonna think about like I do this with

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Speaker 2: Nolan Ryan. So Nolan Ryan finished with five seven hundred

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Speaker 2: and ninety five strikeouts. That is averaging that is averaging

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Speaker 2: almost three hundred strikeouts a year for twenty years. That

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Speaker 2: record will never be broken. Same thing here, Lebron, No

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Speaker 2: one's ever gonna get that you are averaging two thousand

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Speaker 2: points a year for twenty year years. First of all,

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Speaker 2: the amount of players that play twenty years you can

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Speaker 2: count on one hand. But those that can actually maintain

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Speaker 2: a high level play, there's one, and his name is

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Speaker 2: Lebron James. He's the only guy. I mean, Kareem got

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Speaker 2: to twenty years, but the last couple of years he

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Speaker 2: was a faint memory of what he had been. Lebron

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Speaker 2: is still playing at an elite level in his twenty

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Speaker 2: first season with no end in sight. So again, I'm

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Speaker 2: not gonna You know, a lot of people want to

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Speaker 2: go to the goat situation. It's irrelevant if you want

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Speaker 2: to believe Michael Jordan was the greatest of all time.

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Speaker 2: I still have friends of mine that say Will Chamberlain

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Speaker 2: NBA to what Will Chamberlain did, or Kareem Abdul Jabbar,

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Speaker 2: who won more MVP Awards than any other player. Whoever

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Speaker 2: you say is the goat, that's your own personal choice.

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Speaker 2: But what you cannot take away from Lebron James are

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Speaker 2: the numbers that he is going to post and his

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Speaker 2: career is said and done. These numbers will never be broken.

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Speaker 2: Never No one's gonna score forty thousand points. It's just

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Speaker 1: It's also it's also let's face it, okay. So one

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Speaker 1: of the most impressive things about Lebron James is something

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Speaker 1: that we've talked about in the past that impresses me,

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Speaker 1: probably more than it impresses a lot of people. But

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Speaker 1: it's his availability. I can't express to you how difficult

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Speaker 1: it was during my playing career as an NFL player.

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Speaker 1: I never played in the NBA, I barely played basketball

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Speaker 1: played all those postseason games as well. But the point

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Speaker 1: the ability to score forty thousand points. Now, you have

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Speaker 1: to have the talent. That's that's an obvious thing, because

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Speaker 1: We're talking about family stuff, We're talking about life stuff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's like Jerry Rice. Jerry Rice in his

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Speaker 2: And I always love to share this story. You talk

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Speaker 1: That level of commitment and you have to be like,

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Speaker 1: But what I do know about being great from being

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Speaker 1: And that's that's what all the greats do. They put

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Speaker 1: Gretzky did it, All of them did it. I promise

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Speaker 2: He's averaging twenty five points, seven rebounds, eight assists this

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Speaker 2: on the other side, Rich, I want to get to

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Speaker 2: somebody else from the past whose numbers are getting an

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Speaker 1: put that level of stress on the shelf, that level

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Speaker 1: of media attention on the shelf and go out there

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Speaker 1: and operate in a game like golf. I mean, yeah,

432
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Speaker 1: a lot of people lost a lot of fans, he

433
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Speaker 1: lost a lot of sponsorships during that time, but what

434
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Speaker 1: he didn't lose is his ability to win on the

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Speaker 1: golf course. And so there is, in my opinion, a

436
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Speaker 1: respect that needs to be given above the greats to

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Speaker 1: a star if they're able to operate when their star

438
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Speaker 1: is shining that bright, because it can't be easy, it

439
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Speaker 1: can't and it impresses me at every turn, and Caitlin

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Speaker 1: Clark deserves a lot of respect for that.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. All right, let's find out what's trending right now.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of star power, someone that can stand on her own.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Monzi, I don't have to sit here and

444
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Speaker 2: try to draw comparisons to Isaac longcrost Ah. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I simply do not have to do that. Manzie's accomplishments,

446
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Speaker 2: her contributions the Fox Sports Radio stand on their own.

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Speaker 5: And when I said this.

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Speaker 6: To him yesterday, Rich that I don't see the problem, Like,

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Speaker 6: I don't see why we can't say, oh, yeah, she's

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Speaker 6: just gonna break that record and everyone just gets their flowers.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 2: There is no such record. That's the point. There's no

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Speaker 2: record book that lists that record.

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Speaker 5: And that's true.

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Speaker 6: I just don't get why why still not mention. I

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Speaker 6: don't see the harm in it. I don't think it

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Speaker 6: does a disservice, is all I'm saying. I think it's

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Speaker 6: it's great and it's awesome, and I just don't see it.

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Speaker 6: But I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate your opinion on this too. And the only

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Speaker 1: reason why I lean more toward Steve is because, like

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Speaker 1: I said, God forbid, that record's not hers because of

463
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Speaker 1: an injury? Are we saying, are we then a shadow? Oh?

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Speaker 1: She never caught Maravich? Like that was what was Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what was bothering me. Is like, okay, well she no, no, no, no,

466
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Speaker 1: she is already the best, she's already like we she

467
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Speaker 1: did it, she broke the record, like she's already the record,

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Speaker 1: Like we don't need to continue comparing her Maravich because,

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Speaker 1: like God forbid, something happened to her and she didn't

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Speaker 1: pass Maravich. Well, I mean, then we've held her to

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Speaker 1: an unfair standard. That was my only problem with the

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Speaker 1: whole thing. But I'm glad. Look, I'm glad if if

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Speaker 1: the fact that she holds this record at some point,

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Speaker 1: if that encourages i don't know, all of the stories

475
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Speaker 1: written about it, all the attention she's getting for it,

476
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Speaker 1: If it encourages another young girl who's growing up right

477
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Speaker 1: now watching Iowa basketball to go out and get to

478
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Speaker 1: the driveway and shoot hoops and then maybe one day

479
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Speaker 1: she'll take the record, that'll make me happy, because that's

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Speaker 1: what this is all about, is like inspiring people to

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Speaker 1: be better than they thought they could be. So we'll see.

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Speaker 6: And I just kind of like, why does it We're

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Speaker 6: not comparing, We're just I'm looking at it as, oh, yeah,

484
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Speaker 6: she's gonna get more points than him, Like it's to me,

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Speaker 6: it's just not a comparison. I don't think it's a disservice.

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Speaker 6: I hear what you're both saying, and I just think

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Speaker 6: in a way, like we could all be right, you.

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Speaker 2: Know what I mean, we are. I mean, like I said,

489
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Speaker 2: my interest and why you've even been talking about this

490
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Speaker 2: is I have been around women's sports a long, long, long,

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Speaker 2: long time, and Anne Myers is one of my dearest friends,

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Speaker 2: and I respect what pioneers in this court on the

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Speaker 2: women's side did to create this, And like I said,

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Speaker 2: I just feel like she doesn't have to draw any comparison.

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Speaker 5: She does it.

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Speaker 2: She is a star. She is, as we call it, star,

497
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Speaker 2: the Taylor Swift. She is women's basketball the biggest star

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Speaker 2: going perhaps ever in this sport.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, not a real record, but let's just

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Speaker 6: say she's nine points away from him right now as

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Speaker 6: Iowa is being in Ohio State twenty one, twenty three,

502
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Speaker 6: eight minutes to go in the first half. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: she's nine points away from that record that doesn't really exist.

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Speaker 6: But people are, you know, mentioning it like we are

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Speaker 6: right now. But she is a star regardless and it

506
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Speaker 6: shouldn't matter.

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Speaker 5: But you guys, go what, I just don't think it's

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Speaker 5: a disservice.

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Speaker 6: We do have a basketball game on on the men's side,

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Speaker 6: Top twenty five, number three Yukon extending their lead over

511
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Speaker 6: Seaton Hall seventy two to forty nine less.

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Speaker 5: Than ten minutes to go in the game.

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Speaker 6: In the NBA, Yes, Lebron James last night hit forty

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Speaker 6: thousand career points. Right now, though the Philadelphia seventy six

515
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Speaker 6: ers have the lead against the Dallas Mavericks thirty to

516
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Speaker 6: twenty one, ninety seconds ish to go in the first quarter.

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Speaker 6: In the NFL, Dolphins are unlikely to use a franchise

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Speaker 6: tag on defensive tackle Christen Wilkins. He would become an

519
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Speaker 6: unrestricted free agent, and he's coming off a career high

520
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 6: nine sacks in twenty twenty three. Tiger Woods is supposedly

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Speaker 6: going to play in Florida this month. He's actually going

522
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Speaker 6: to participate at the Seminole Pro Member Tournament is going

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Speaker 6: to happen in Juno Beach in Florida. It would be

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Speaker 6: his first appearance at this event, and it's also the

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Speaker 6: second year in a row that this field does not

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Speaker 6: include live Golf league players.

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Speaker 5: The drama continues there back to you guys.

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Speaker 2: All right, Monzie, thank you very much. Once again, this

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Speaker 2: is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and Rich Armberger with you.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if we're really going to just continue

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Speaker 2: to make up stats and records and everything else, if

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Speaker 2: you look at college basketball, not just Division one, but

533
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Speaker 2: all college basketball, the record for points in a career

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Speaker 2: by a man is a guy named John Pierce. He

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Speaker 2: played at Lipscomb University on the women's side, the record

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Speaker 2: is held by pearl More. She's actually in the Basketball

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame. She was inducted a few years ago.

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Speaker 2: She is the all time leading collegiate scorer. She played

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Speaker 2: her college years at Francis Marion and her record will

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Speaker 2: not be broken. Caitlin Clark will not break her Eckert.

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Speaker 2: So that's women's basketball at all levels, and that's the

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Speaker 2: record holder. Her name is pearl More. She played in

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Speaker 2: the late seventies, and her record is still going to

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Speaker 2: hold up even under the pressure of Caitlin Clark. So

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Speaker 2: again you could yeah, and this is coming from the

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Speaker 2: ultimate stats guy, right, And I'm rich I've said this

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Speaker 2: to you many times. Here's the here's the thing about

548
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Speaker 2: knowing stats. You can manipulate stats any way you want, yep,

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Speaker 2: anyway you want. We get this in polls all the time,

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Speaker 2: you know, political polls, and they spin it in a

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Speaker 2: way to make it say what they wanted to say, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean they can they can sort of nitpick and say, well,

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Speaker 2: this stat and whatever works for me, that's the number

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Speaker 2: I'm going to use.

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Speaker 1: And like like I said to MANSI and and I

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Speaker 1: mean this, and I promise you I know what this

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Speaker 1: game is. I know the game that we're playing. We

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Speaker 1: live in an attention economy, right Like, So okay, what

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Speaker 1: what would what would be the purpose sir by highlighting

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Speaker 1: that there's still another record that's reachable yet to fall

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Speaker 1: at the hands of Caitlin Clark. Well, it's promotion. Life

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00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: is just one big promotion, right. So, Ohio State and

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Speaker 1: Iowa are on the court right now, and you're stirring

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Speaker 1: the interests of the public by creating a statistical category

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Speaker 1: that doesn't exist and creating a record that may be

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Speaker 1: broken that actually cannot be broken because they played two

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Speaker 1: different sports. But it makes it more important to people

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Speaker 1: because they buy the promotion. If promotion didn't work, nobody

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Speaker 1: would do it. But this is an important aspect of sport.

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00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: Look Don King the reason why his name will forever

571
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Speaker 1: be synonymous with boxing. He never threw a punch, well,

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Speaker 1: at least not inside the ring. But Don King was

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Speaker 1: one of the most incredible promoters. He was a carnival barker,

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Speaker 1: had the wild hair and he would come out waving

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Speaker 1: them there plag and my fighter is the best fighter.

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Speaker 1: And I you know, honestly, for all the bad things

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Speaker 1: that people said about Don King. I was a boxing fan,

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Speaker 1: part and parcel because Don King was really good at

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Speaker 1: what he did. He got you interested in the heavyweight class.

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Speaker 1: There was this lull for years, and all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden it exploded again because he was good at what

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Speaker 1: he did. He got people's eyes, he got their attention.

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Speaker 1: Dana White, with the UFC controversial character, says whatever's on

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Speaker 1: his mind. But guess what you can't argue with the promotion.

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Speaker 1: The guy does a great job as an ambassador of

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Speaker 1: his league, getting eyeballs to these fighters who many people

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Speaker 1: considered these uncivilized brutes, you know, fighting in a blood

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Speaker 1: sport inside of a cage with eight sides. How dare

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Speaker 1: anybody watch this disgustingness. Well now it's mainstream. Now it's mainstream,

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Speaker 1: and it's all thanks to the promotion vehicle that is

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Speaker 1: Dana White. So trust me when I tell you I

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Speaker 1: respect the game. I don't have to love the way

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Speaker 1: they promote all the time, but I respect what they're

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Speaker 1: doing with the spin around Kaitlyn Clark. And again what

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Speaker 1: I said to Mansy is if this encourages one young

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Speaker 1: girl who's watching Caitlin Clark today and inspired by her

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Speaker 1: performance on the court against Ohio State and downing this

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Speaker 1: Maravich record and that leads to the next best basketball

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Speaker 1: player to hit the court and to do special things

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Speaker 1: later in her life, well, then so be it. Then

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Speaker 1: I guess a great end was served. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if we're going to really talk about whether or not

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Speaker 1: this is an actual record that she can actually take down,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's not. And that's okay because that's

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Speaker 1: my opinion and it doesn't have to be shared by everybody.

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Speaker 2: To me, the big test as far as the star

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Speaker 2: power of Caitlin Clark is the WNBA. The fact of

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Speaker 2: matter is during the nineteen nineties, as the WNBA was introduced,

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Speaker 2: attendance then was greater than it is now. It's been

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Speaker 2: on the steady decline. There was a remak obviously after

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Speaker 2: the COVID year, but the numbers are not where it

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Speaker 2: was twenty years ago. Despite the fact that they've had

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Speaker 2: many star players named players that we get to know

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Speaker 2: in their collegiate days, it is not translated into star

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Speaker 2: power in the WNBA. Will Caitlin Clark change that? Is

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Speaker 2: she of a star of such magnitude? You know, we

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Speaker 2: talk about Messi's arrival right in the MLS and all

618
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, everybody wants to see Messi because he's

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Speaker 2: the biggest soccer star on the planet and it's been

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Speaker 2: a boom for the entire Major League Soccer? Can she

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Speaker 2: do that for the WNBA? Is her star power so

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Speaker 2: great that arenas across WNBA landscapele starts selling out every

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Speaker 2: time she's on the court. If she can do that?

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Speaker 2: Because I remember when Candice Parker left Tennessee to come

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Speaker 2: to the WNBA. I'm thinking, this girl checks every box.

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Speaker 2: She's the best player, She's got the full package if

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Speaker 2: she If she can't create a buzz in the WNB,

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Speaker 2: no one can. And she was Rookie of the Year

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Speaker 2: NMVP or Rookie season. Didn't move the needle. Didn't move

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Speaker 2: the needle. So that is my big question moving forward.

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Speaker 2: We talk about Kaitlin Clark, but we've talked about a

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Speaker 2: number of women's basketball players over the years on their

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Speaker 2: collegiate stage. Will it translate into the WNBA. We'll find out,

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Speaker 2: all right. Coming up on the other side, start of

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Speaker 2: Lost In all this hoopla about Kaitlin Clark is another

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00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: sport similar with no star power, and yet it's still

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Speaker 2: as popular as ever. We'll explain. This is Fox Sports Sunday,

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Speaker 2: Steve Harvin and or Ritch Omerger. Here Fox Sports Sunday.

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Speaker 2: We're live from the tay Iraqi dot Com studios. So rich,

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Speaker 2: I think we both agree that star power, whether it's

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Speaker 2: a star team, star individual, is good for any sport.

642
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Speaker 2: But there is one sport that has shown over for

643
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: the better part of a decade that you can be

644
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: completely void of star power and be more popular than ever,

645
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: and that's men's collegiate basketball. You know, I'm looking here

646
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: at a list of the twenty five finalists for the

647
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 2: Wooden Award for this year's National Player of the Year,

648
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: and I'm comparing that list to mock drafts of what

649
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: we're going to see in the draft, like there are

650
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: very few names at matchup. I mean, let me put

651
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: it this way. A year ago this time, Drew Timmy

652
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 2: at Gonzaga was having his third consecutive All American season,

653
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: was dominating during the postseason. I know, when Gonzaga knocked

654
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 2: out my UCLA Bruins, he was unbelievable. Not only did

655
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 2: Drew Timmy not get drafted in the NBA, he signed

656
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 2: with a g League team and got waved. He got

657
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: waved out of the G League. So when you talk

658
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 2: about these incredible stars that we see at the collegiate

659
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: level and it never translates to the NBA, you would

660
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: think this would be to the detriment of college basketball.

661
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: But the uniqueness of Mark Schmandness, the fact that an

662
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: entire country, even if they don't watch a single game

663
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: of college basketball, finds themselves involved with the March madness

664
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: with their brackets and everything else. It's a very unique situation.

665
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: It's honestly, it's not like any other sport because as

666
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 2: I go back over Final four MPs dating back to

667
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: when Anthony Davis l like Kentucky to the championship in

668
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, it's literally a who's who of who's that.

669
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: We're talking about names that, even if you recognize them,

670
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: would be barely scratching the end of the bench in

671
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 2: the NBA. And yet it doesn't matter the popularity of

672
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 2: this sport. The magnitude of March madness never diminishes. Even

673
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: when you have a Final Four like last year where

674
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: you got Florida Atlantic Miami of Florida Football School Yukon,

675
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: who hadn't been in the spotlight for years and dare

676
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: I say San Diego State did not matter. It's such

677
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 2: a unique and special event it transcends any individual's crazy.

678
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm so glad you mentioned San Diego State or

679
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: a team like FAU the OWLS Final four teams that

680
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: came out of relative obscurity for many people and roads

681
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: to national prominence. I can't tell you how many people.

682
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: Because I've live in the city of San Diego, It's

683
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 1: where I make my home. We're checking in with me, like, Hey,

684
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: did you make it to any games this year? And yeah,

685
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about this next round?

686
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen? What do you think about the Final four?

687
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: Are they going to make it to the championship game? Like,

688
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: there's so much intrigue around this sport, especially this time

689
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: of year, because they really have cornered the market in

690
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: a perfect postseason. The NFL is probably the closest second.

691
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: But in terms of interest, and I'm talking about broad

692
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: general interest when you can actually print out a bracket

693
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: right or have something tangible on a fantasy app where

694
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: you can go back and look and be like, oh

695
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: my gosh. And by the way, it's all a game

696
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: of chance. Right, you know you're picking from sixty fourteen teams.

697
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: You you don't know many of these. You're just circling

698
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: names you like. Maybe that's how you do it, or

699
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: you watched a March preview show and you think you've

700
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: got an edge. Whatever it may be, it just draws

701
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: people in. And then once you get the hook sunk in,

702
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: when you yank back on the rod, that's that's when

703
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: you really start reeling in some fish. During March Menace,

704
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: you start following some of these teams like the UNBC

705
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: that knocked off top ranked Virginia or or the Loyola

706
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: Chicago who goes on a deep run with the sister

707
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: in the stands. I mean, it was fun having a

708
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: nun watch.

709
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: Offf loved it.

710
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: I love it.

711
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: I love it. It's hard this year because u c

712
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: l A ninety nine point nine percent will not be

713
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: in this tournament unless they pull a miracle in the

714
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 2: pack to all tournament. It doesn't diminish. Maybe my anticipations

715
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: different because my school's not there. But once the tournament begins,

716
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: as we're all staring at those brackets on those Thursday

717
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: and Friday, which by the way, it should be national holidays,

718
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: no one's getting work done. I'm hooked. Every year does

719
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: not matter, and I start learning the names now, I'll

720
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: forget them as soon as it's over. But during those

721
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: few weeks, I'm all in and we're gonna have the

722
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: exact same situation this year. So yeah, don't don't worry

723
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: about the lack of star power. It does not matter.

724
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 2: The NCAA basketball tournament has no peer all Right. Coming

725
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 2: up on the other side, Rich, we're gonna get into

726
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: the combine and what purpose it serves, How has it changed.

727
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna break down the biggest news out of the combine.

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736
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: well entrenched in spring training right now, a lot of

737
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: baseball news out there to get to, but right now, Rich,

738
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: let's talk about the combine, which has been going on

739
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 2: again in Indianapolis. Yesterday Adam Kaplan, our Fox Sports Radio

740
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 2: NFL insider joined us.

741
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: He was there.

742
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 2: Obviously, he's been covering this for twenty three years, Rich,

743
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: so he's done it for a lot of years. I

744
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: asked him this, have things change with the combine with

745
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: NIL transfer portal, the completely altered state that is college football?

746
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 2: Has it changed the dynamic at the combine? And his

747
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 2: response was, It's funny you would ask that because I've

748
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: been asking people the same question, you know, football people.

749
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: Has it changed? And in some circumstances it has. I

750
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: mean Caleb Williams would be a prime example of that.

751
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: We reported last night here on LA TV. It has

752
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: now been determined that these last two years at USC,

753
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: the Caleb Williams has made more than ten million dollars

754
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: through NIL and endorsements. He has made in excess, well

755
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 2: in excess of ten million dollars in his two years

756
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 2: at USC. So his mindset coming into the combine is

757
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: not only am I not going to do any workout

758
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: for you guys. I'm not even gonna submit my medical records.

759
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: I will only do that on an individual basis to

760
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: teams that I deem could possibly actually draft my services

761
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 2: and then I will share those numbers with them. So

762
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: let me ask you this, because we've said this many times.

763
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 2: The two main purposes of the combine is nothing that

764
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: we all this stuff that we see on the field,

765
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: the forty yard dash of jail. This is all just

766
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: so you have something to watch. It's about the medical

767
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: reports and it's about the interviews. Those are the two

768
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: main takeaways from the combine. But if you start a

769
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Speaker 2: limiting eliminating that and athletes don't even submit that, are

770
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 2: we getting to the point where possibly the combine becomes obsolete.

771
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 1: Nope, and I'll tell you why, because the combine, whatever

772
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: it was used for in the past, has transformed into

773
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: something very different now. The combine used to be used

774
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: as an analytical tool to get an idea of how

775
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: these players perform athletically under pressure. And if you could

776
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: even ring a little bit of more information out of

777
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: these players in terms of interviews with them, you know,

778
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: getting to know them a little bit more personally, what

779
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: time you have with them. From that standpoint, there there's

780
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: an edge you could get. Also, let's be honest, that

781
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: had that sort of mutated into, Hey, all these guys,

782
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 1: we're going to get up close and personal medical on them.

783
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: That's a very important aspect to see the medical history,

784
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: to see if it checks out with what was reported

785
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: coming out of college. And it's sort of, you know,

786
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: merged into now what it is today. Less important to

787
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: see them test in terms of running the forty, or

788
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: how high or far they could jump, or how agile

789
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: they are running the cones, because all that is kind

790
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: of superfluous. Players are players between the white lines. You

791
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: don't really need to see how they test on a

792
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: field wearing you know, spandex to understand whether or not

793
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: they can play football. You have film, you send your

794
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 1: scouts to these games. You know, that's how these determinations

795
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 1: are made, or the best of teams determine who are

796
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: the best of the players. But what it's transformed into now, Steve,

797
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 1: is another marketing arm of the NFL. This is pure marketing.

798
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 1: This is just another little poke to the ribs of

799
00:44:57,560 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: the people who care about the sports to say, you who,

800
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: we're still over here at the NFL. Yeah, I know,

801
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: we you know. Super Bowl was a couple of weeks ago,

802
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: but we're right here, We're right back at We're right

803
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: back And guess what in a month are you listening? Yeah,

804
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: in a month, we're going to be doing the draft.

805
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: And guess what the draft may be coming to your city.

806
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: Are you an NFL fan? You may be able to

807
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: go to the draft. Did you see? So it's just

808
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: become something else, Steve, it's become it's become another marketing

809
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: arm of the NFL to keep people engaged with the sport,

810
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: and very smartly, many of these players they're starting to

811
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: understand that they can angle to get themselves pre draft sponsorships,

812
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: they can angle to get themselves, especially if they're expecting

813
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 1: to run a super fast forty or jump really high

814
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: or break some combine record. If if they're on pace

815
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: for any of that type of stuff, you know, they

816
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: can get in front of the public one more time

817
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,720
Speaker 1: before they are drafted, and they can spin that into

818
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: a successful ad campaign. So all of these things that

819
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: used to be way more important for these teams and

820
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: for these players in the past in terms of maybe

821
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: being able to boost your draft stock. And I'm not

822
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: saying it's impossible to boost your draft stock now at

823
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: the combine I'm sure it happens every year, but that's

824
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 1: becoming more rare. What's becoming more obvious is that this

825
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 1: is being used as an opportunity to propel yourself in

826
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: front of the nation one more time before you are drafted.

827
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Speaker 2: Now, as far as what's happening on the field, and

828
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: by the way, I think he makes some excellent points

829
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 2: there across the board. Rich in terms of what it is.

830
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: It is another marketing tool for the NFL, and no

831
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: sport comes close to their ability to market and make

832
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: something out of nothing, and that's exactly what they're doing

833
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: with the combine. So Xavier Worthy, the wide receiver out

834
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 2: of Texas, broke the combine record in the forty yard

835
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: dash right a four point two one. So it was

836
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: funny because I was thinking, all right, I'm remembering he

837
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 2: wasn't on any All American teams. It was interesting because

838
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: this past year at Texas he had seventy five receptions,

839
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: he only had five touchdowns, and you're thinking, well, this

840
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: guy has that kind of speed, why wouldn't he get

841
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: in the end zone more? And I'm reminded by our

842
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 2: dear friend TJ. Huschman Zada, a Pro Bowl wide receiver

843
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 2: in his days with the Cincinnati Bengals, and he said

844
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 2: something always sticks with me. He goes, as a wide receiver,

845
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: it's not how fast you run, it's how fast you stop,

846
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: because because if you're if you're a let's say a

847
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: wide receiver running four to two, and you're going up

848
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: against the corner that runs a four to three or

849
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 2: four to four, you're not getting a lot of separation

850
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: that way. Where you get the separation, which is the

851
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 2: key to being a wide receiver separation is your ability

852
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 2: to stop on a dime and create separation that way.

853
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 2: So that's what TJ would tell me. He goes again,

854
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: as far as running straight, you know, first of all,

855
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 2: you're never going to be in shorts on a track

856
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 2: with no one around you running a straight line for

857
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 2: forty yards, so that that doesn't have any relevance. But

858
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: even if you're running a straight fly pattern, that corner

859
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: you're going against, he's as fast as you are. I mean,

860
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: the difference between a tenth of a second isn't going

861
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 2: to make a whole lot of difference. What makes the

862
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 2: difference is a receiver who can stop on a dime.

863
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: And if you watch the great Ones, that's exactly what

864
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: you see. They go down the field, they push the receiver,

865
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: they pushed the defensive back, booms to stop. Turn around,

866
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 2: there's the ball and they got separation. So again, this

867
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 2: is a it's a great mate for TV thing, these

868
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 2: forty yard dashes and guys running and it's like, wow,

869
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,439
Speaker 2: I mean this, Xavier Worthy just broke the record four

870
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: point two to one. Is that going to translate into success? Well,

871
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: the guy that held the record before him, John Ross,

872
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 2: who wasn't all American at Washington, he shot up the draft,

873
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: was a top ten pick, couldn't stay healthy, and he

874
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: completely flamed out in the NFL. So I'll be anxious

875
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: to see how this works. I hope for this kid's

876
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: sake that this traslate it into an increased position in

877
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: the draft and maybe he becomes a Hall of Fame

878
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: wide receiver. But again, this is this is sort of

879
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: just it's made for TV stuff and nothing more than that.

880
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: It's me and trust me, the scouts know that here's

881
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: the thing. If you don't know how to stop and

882
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: restart quickly, if you don't have that suddenness, that quick

883
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: burst out of a break, you're not going to threaten

884
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: any defender, because I'm telling you right now, the most

885
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: important part of being a defender covering any any position,

886
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,879
Speaker 1: whether it's running back, tight end, wide, receiver, it's how

887
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: quick can you adjust when a players coming into his

888
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: breaking out of his break right? You know? How quickly

889
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: can you flip your hips? How quickly can you stop

890
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: your backpedal and charge on a route? You know? That's

891
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: that's what skate looking at on the defensive side of

892
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: the ball is how quickly can you transition to guard

893
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: these routes? And so if you're Xavier worthy, I'm impressed.

894
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: There's no question at the athleticism being able to run

895
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 1: a four to two one and break the combine record.

896
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: But most importantly is how can you threaten a defender?

897
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: Like you just said, running a straight line doesn't threaten anybody,

898
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: but it's even the idea that a receiver could go

899
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: into a break like Sometimes all it takes is a

900
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: head fake and you can stop a defensive backs feet

901
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: if he's threatened by your change of direction skills. If

902
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: he's not, then he knows he has time to recover

903
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: against you, and it's not going to matter. You're not

904
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: going to fool him that way. I'll give you an

905
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: example of a great of a great receiver at the

906
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: NFL level who ran a trash forty yard dash okay

907
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: out of cow back. In twenty thirteen, there was a

908
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: little known receiver by the name of Keenan Allen. Keenan

909
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: Allen ended up getting drafted in the third round, and

910
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 1: a lot of people suspect it was because he ran

911
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 1: a four to seven to one at his pro day. Pitiful,

912
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 1: you know, especially when you compare it to NFL wide

913
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: receiver numbers. Pitiful four to seven one. Are you kidding me?

914
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: That's like a lineman keen.

915
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, That's like a real, like a real fast

916
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: offensive lineman is a four to seven. That's what like

917
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: Lane Johnson ran at the combine. Okay, just to give

918
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: you a comparison, So four to seven one. He comes

919
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: to the Chargers as a third round draft pick and

920
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: in his ten years in the NFL has absolutely roasted

921
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:24,200
Speaker 1: and demolished defensive backs over and over and over again.

922
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: How has he done it? With his ability to change direction,

923
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: his ability to assert his leverage on defenders. The forty

924
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 1: times doesn't mean squad I know, it's a fun number.

925
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,280
Speaker 1: I know everybody loves that number. I know everybody thinks

926
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: it matters, it doesn't. I'll add something to what TJ.

927
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: Huschmann Zada said to you. He says, it's how fast

928
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: you can stop. Yeah, that's true, But it's also how

929
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: fast you can run and still catch the football. Because

930
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm impressed if you can run a four to two one,

931
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: like I said, just from an athleticism standpoint, that's amazing.

932
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: You're a track star. Can you catch a football running

933
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: four two one? Can you do it consistently? Like if

934
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: I throw you ten footballs and you're running at that

935
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: top speed, how many of those footballs can you actually

936
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: catch at that top speed. That's a part of it too.

937
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's great when you can run and you're

938
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: looking forward and you got your chin down and you

939
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: know your relaxed and you got your hands open and

940
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: you're but can you leap then and take the football

941
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 1: away from a defender on an underthrown ball sixty yards

942
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: down the field, Because that's what we're gonna need you

943
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 1: to do. That's why Tyreek Hill is going to the

944
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. People. It's not because he's really fast,

945
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: it's because at five foot eleven or five foot ten,

946
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: whatever he is. He has this ability to leap and

947
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: catch contested balls over defenders. He's done at time time again.

948
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: He is one of the shorter receivers that you can

949
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: throw a fade route to consistently because he can elevate

950
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: and catch the ball at its highest point. It's unbelievable

951
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,399
Speaker 1: how athletic he is on a football field. I don't

952
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: even know what forty time he ran. I don't care

953
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: because it doesn't really matter. How fast can you stop

954
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: and start? Can you catch the ball at top speed?

955
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: And are you an athlete enough to go up there

956
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: and win off the rim like a rebounder. Those are

957
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: the things that matter at the wide receiver position.

958
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 2: Quarterback's always in the spotlight of the combine, no more

959
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 2: so than my guy Sam Hartman with that flowing hair.

960
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: Did you see that? With the forty yard dash and

961
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: those flowing locks, It's not gonna help him. He's going

962
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 2: to be a third day draft pick. But on the

963
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 2: other side, the dynamic of what's going on with the

964
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: quarterback in this draft is ever changing. We got the

965
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: latest news for you. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey,

966
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 2: Rich Hornberger Fox Sports Sunday, we are live from the

967
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 2: tire racket dot Com studios. Well, it's that time to

968
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 2: talk about one of our favorite subject matters, so we

969
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 2: talk about it nauseum. That's quarterbacks in the National Football League.

970
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 2: By the way, there's a reason for that because they

971
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: are arguably the most spotlighted and signifigant individuals in any sport.

972
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 2: I don't know any sport where that has a position

973
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: comparable to quarterback. I mean in basketball, you could say

974
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 2: point guard now, or in baseball a pitcher. I mean,

975
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 2: these are important ingredients if you're going to have a

976
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,439
Speaker 2: successful team, no question about that. But when we talk

977
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 2: about a spotlight and again it's pointed out the fact

978
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: that if you go to Football Reference, the only position

979
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 2: that has a one loss record next to their name

980
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 2: is quarterback. I don't know why. I mean, other guys play.

981
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: Do you know what your one loss record was in

982
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 2: the NFL? I'd have to add it up, but there's

983
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: no listing of you know, Rich Ormberger's one loss record

984
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: in the National Football League, But your former teammate, career

985
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,240
Speaker 2: backup Brian Hoyer's got one of those on his resume.

986
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, quarterbacks are extremely relevant. Before we get to

987
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 2: the changing dynamic of what's coming out of the combine

988
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,359
Speaker 2: and the draft and everything else, I want to ask

989
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 2: you about one specific guy. So remember last week I

990
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: was going on and on and on about the fact that,

991
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 2: in my opinion, there's only one actual franchise quarterback currently

992
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 2: playing in the NFL, and that's Patrick Mahomes. I pointed

993
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 2: out the fact there are two other starting quarterbacks that

994
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: actually have won a Super Bowl, current starting quarterbacks. I

995
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: mentioned Matthew Stafford, I mentioned Aaron Rodgers. And somebody is like,

996
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 2: what about Russell Wilson. He won a Super Bowl, I said,

997
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 2: a current starting quarterback. He was benched at the end

998
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: of the year, and now it appears the Denver Broncos

999
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 2: are about to unload him and they're going to eat

1000
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: a lot. But you know, the Walton family is the

1001
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: richest family in America, so they're not going to quibble.

1002
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 2: If that's what Sean Payton wants, he'll get what he

1003
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,959
Speaker 2: wants and they will release Russell Wilson. So let's try

1004
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: to figure out a home for Russell Wilson, who, by

1005
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: the way, had pretty good numbers this year twenty six touchdowns,

1006
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,919
Speaker 2: only eight interceptions, sixty six percent completion, a passer rating

1007
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 2: of near one hundred. This is a guy who in

1008
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 2: his first nine years in the NFL had at least

1009
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 2: ten wins in eight of those nine years, no losing seasons,

1010
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 2: by the way, started every game in his first nine

1011
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 2: years in the league, led his team to two super Bowls,

1012
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: should have won two super Bowls except for one really

1013
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 2: bad decision. So he's got a pretty impressive resume and

1014
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: it's not like he's pushing forty yet. So where do

1015
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: you think, or give me a couple of possibilities where

1016
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 2: a Russell Wilson would fit as a starting quarterback if

1017
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: he could attain that level in twenty twenty four.

1018
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: Who look, you know what's interesting is the best fit

1019
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: for quarterback most likely is always the system he's currently in.

1020
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 1: You know, to anybody who was paying attention, Russell Wilson

1021
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: probably wasn't the Denver Broncos' biggest issue a year ago.

1022
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: You know, you could argue that if his receivers bailed

1023
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: him out a little bit more. A lot of those

1024
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: guys underperformed who they were supposed to be this year

1025
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: and maybe even over their careers in the NFL. That

1026
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 1: defense certainly left something to be desired, especially early in

1027
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: the season and actually later on in the season as well.

1028
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: That was in a particularly competitive team, and I don't

1029
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: want to place an undue amount of blame on Russell

1030
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: Wilson for it. It was also Sean Payton's first year

1031
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: as the head coach who got glowing marks When the

1032
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: NFLPA surveyed the players in Denver. He got an A

1033
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: grade in terms of being a head coach in the

1034
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: National Football League, which is hard to do because players

1035
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: are critical of coaches, and that is a completely anonymous

1036
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,280
Speaker 1: survey that players take seriously. So you look at some

1037
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: of the factors in that Denver locker room and how

1038
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: and why it didn't work. Even though even though it

1039
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 1: would be the greatest fit, I don't think it's where

1040
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: he's gonna end up. I think they are going to

1041
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: try to move on from him. So where else would

1042
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: he fit? You know, Look, if Minnesota loses Kirk Cousin

1043
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: in free agency, I could potentially see a Russell Wilson

1044
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: working out there. I mean they have the cap space

1045
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: to I mean they were paying Kirk a pretty good

1046
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 1: amount of money, so you know, he transitions over to Minnesota,

1047
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: if especially if Justin Jefferson gets moved on from I'm saying,

1048
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to think of an offensive coach. I

1049
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: think you would need a very talented, potentially younger offensive

1050
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: coach who could look at this this situation and say,

1051
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: how can we shift this paradigm? And Kevin O'Connell might

1052
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: be a fit for him in Minnesota if things work

1053
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: out where they need a starting quarterback and that's it

1054
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: team who I think really probably overperformed at times what

1055
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,959
Speaker 1: people thought they were going to be this season. So yeah,

1056
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: I think the Vikings would be a fit. I don't

1057
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 1: think he's a great fit in Pittsburgh, even though I

1058
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 1: heard some people saying that might be a spot for him.

1059
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: And plus they've got some things that they have to

1060
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: sort out as well as quarterback with Kenny Pickett, What

1061
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: do you do there? How do you move on from him?

1062
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: Kenny trade? Can you trade him? Is he tradable? You

1063
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: look at the New England Patriots who may move on

1064
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: from mac Jones, but then do you want to inherit

1065
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: a potential problem at quarterback with Russell Wilson, or do

1066
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: you want to buy yourself some time and go into

1067
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: the draft. Since you have a high draft pick this year,

1068
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, so there are some spots that make sense.

1069
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: But oddly with a player with a Super Bowl pass

1070
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: like Russell Wilson, there's a lot more knows than there

1071
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: are yes is out there on the market.

1072
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 2: Quarterback Evaluating quarterbacks, especially veteran quarterbacks, has become very complicated

1073
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: because of the Tom Brady factor. I don't know if

1074
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: NFL general managers have finally figured out that you cannot

1075
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 2: include what Tom Brady did in the conversation. He was

1076
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: a complete anomaly. There is no quarterback like that. In

1077
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 2: other words, you would look at guys who had success

1078
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 2: later in their careers, like a Brett Favre, like a

1079
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning, but when they fell off the cliff, it

1080
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 2: was a nosedive their last seasons like it just ended

1081
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 2: and they were out. You mentioned a guy like Kirk Cousins.

1082
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 2: This is a thirty five year old quarterback who is

1083
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 2: coming off a blown achilles. Now, in the in this

1084
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: modern science, you know, people are like, well, you know,

1085
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 2: it's they can fix it. Achilles injuries are very challenging

1086
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: and by the way, the list of athletes across the

1087
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: board that have comeback one percent successfully from a blown

1088
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: achilles is a very very short list, very short. So

1089
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: I'm very well when I'm not saying coming back, I'm

1090
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 2: saying coming back one hundred percent. Yeah, that that and so.

1091
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 2: And Kirk Cousins again, I would say that he's more

1092
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: than a serviceable quarterback. Maybe I'm a little more of

1093
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: a Kirk Cousin fan Cousins fan than not. I don't

1094
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: consider him a franchise quarterback. He's a guy that can

1095
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 2: do things, go throw the football effectively. I'm just curious

1096
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: how much interest there's going to be in Kirk Cousins

1097
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: on the free agent market. I keep hearing him like

1098
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: Atlanta could be a destination for Kirk Cousins. Okay, well,

1099
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: they've got some weapons there, maybe underutilized weapons because they

1100
01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: haven't really had very good quarterbacks since Matt Ryan left,

1101
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: so there's some possibilities there. I just I'm enamored by,

1102
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 2: you know, these veterans before we even get to you

1103
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 2: the draft and you know, like what's going to happen

1104
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: with the Bears at number one? Overall? You got these

1105
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 2: veteran quarterbacks that may not have the stain power that

1106
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: you think they have said, well, that's not old anymore.

1107
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: Thirty five Tom Brady was forty five and he was

1108
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 2: still setting or leave him out of the conversation.

1109
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 7: Do you guys think I think he can kind of

1110
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 7: make the argument that Russell Wilson might be the most

1111
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 7: cost effective player on the market this year because if

1112
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 7: he's if he's in the right system, he's going to

1113
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 7: play for the minimum. You don't have to pay him

1114
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 7: forty million dollars.

1115
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 2: Are you sure about that?

1116
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 7: That's what I'm seeing.

1117
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: I mean, I know that the Broncos have to eat

1118
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,240
Speaker 2: a lot, but again, their ownership is in a position.

1119
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 7: Where you can do Russell Wilson for a million dollars.

1120
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 7: I think that might be the way to go. If

1121
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 7: you're like that, I don't know.

1122
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 2: You might know this obviously better than us rich I mean,

1123
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 2: is that all if he signs as a free age

1124
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:49,560
Speaker 2: or if he gets traded somewhere, it'd be a trade obviously. Yeah,

1125
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 2: that the team that trades for him is only on

1126
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 2: the hook for like minimum wage, and that Blancos have

1127
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 2: to pick up the.

1128
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 7: Entire salary to get cut. So what I'm reading is

1129
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 7: if they cut him as a post June first designation,

1130
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 7: So he's going to get paid money anyway.

1131
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: Right right, Well, see that's the thing. So, okay, if

1132
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: he gets traded, his contract is traded with him, LUs

1133
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,959
Speaker 1: the two clubs work out a deal where the Denver

1134
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: Broncos are willing to onboard some of his salary that

1135
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: should typically be shifted to the new club, you know,

1136
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: in the trade, you know, to basically make the trade

1137
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more palatable or or tolerable for the

1138
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: team you're trading him to. That can be worked out

1139
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: between two front offices. If they cut him, though, that's

1140
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: a different situation. If they cut him, they still owe

1141
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: him whatever guaranteed monies that are owed to him on

1142
01:03:44,120 --> 01:03:46,040
Speaker 1: that contract, and there will be a cap hit for

1143
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. And there afterward, if anybody signs him,

1144
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: they can sign him to whatever contract they think the

1145
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 1: market deems acceptable. So, you know, if he's got two

1146
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: teams interested in him, and both of them are interested

1147
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: in him for a VET minimum deal, well maybe one

1148
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: team offers a slightly higher signing bonus, and it could

1149
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 1: be something embarrassing compared to the contract he just signed

1150
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: with the Denver Broncos. Kind of like a prove it deal,

1151
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: a one year deal. I'll lah Baker Mayfield with the

1152
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers this past season. Then yeah, the new

1153
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 1: team after being released would only be on the hook

1154
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: for a very small vet minimum contract.

1155
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 2: Thirty five years old, just like Kirk Cousins. Russell Wilson's

1156
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: thirty five years old. And so again when he say ooh,

1157
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 2: thirty five, that's young, I mean Brady was forty five. No,

1158
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 2: thirty five is beginning to push it. And so you know,

1159
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: how much of a future if you signed Russell Wilson

1160
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 2: are you looking at? Is it a short term? I mean,

1161
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 2: if you have already made team like I mean the

1162
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers, right, you could say, well, the Steelers, I

1163
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: mean they're already a playoff team with subpar quarterback play.

1164
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,439
Speaker 2: So if you anything they've had since and this would

1165
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,959
Speaker 2: probably include the last few years a big Ben since

1166
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: they've really had a top level quarterback. So if he

1167
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: brought into Russell Wilson short term does I mean that's

1168
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 2: a tough division though, And that's that's the whole problem.

1169
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,600
Speaker 2: And you have to see the thing. My impression of

1170
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson and I'm a fan of him as a player,

1171
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 2: is he's a prima donna? And the question, and it

1172
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 2: was sort of exposed in Denver because you remember they

1173
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: had this new coach, Hacket, and they said, well, no

1174
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 2: problem because Russell Wilson he's a leader. I mean, he's

1175
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 2: the veteran leader. He'll he'll take over. He's not that

1176
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: kind of player, he says not. He's not that guy

1177
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 2: that walks into a locker room and takes control. It's

1178
01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 2: not in his personality. And it was exposed with the

1179
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 2: Hacket situation. He didn't have that problem with Sean Payton

1180
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 2: because pullying me. Sean Payton's in firm control of that

1181
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 2: locker room. Doesn't have to worry about his quarterback. But

1182
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: that's okay. Maybe if you'd say, well, I don't need that.

1183
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Mike Tomlin's like, well, I'm in charge of

1184
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 2: the locker room. I just need better play out of

1185
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 2: the quarter back. If he could leave them alone, then

1186
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 2: maybe Russell Wilson would be a fit in Pittsburgh.

1187
01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: I look at Russell Wilson as a one of the

1188
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 1: more compliment complicated characters in the NFL right now. He's

1189
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: just he's one of those players who probably shouldn't be

1190
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: polarizing based on his history in this league, what he's

1191
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: done for teams he's played for. But the truth is

1192
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 1: he is because of the locker room stuff. It's a

1193
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: really odd dynamic. He's a really talented quarterback. Even the

1194
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: past two seasons, if you look at him in Denver

1195
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: with Nathaniel Hackett, there were issues, but again I don't

1196
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: think that Russell Wilson's play was the biggest of those issues.

1197
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: You look at his twenty twenty three stats this past

1198
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: season with Denver with Sean Payton. Now again statistically and

1199
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: from an output standpoint, offensively, I don't think he was

1200
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: your biggest problem on the offense. I not by a

1201
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: long stretch. But the problem is the in between times.

1202
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: You know, what happens on game day is not the

1203
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: whole story. With a quarterback, that position is also inherently

1204
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: a leadership position. And if you don't have buy in

1205
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: from your teammates, if your teammates don't like you, and

1206
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm not saying his teammates in Denver don't, but if

1207
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,919
Speaker 1: they don't trust you as a leader, if they don't

1208
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: believe in you, if they believe that Also the team

1209
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:25,040
Speaker 1: is interested in moving off of you, which has been

1210
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: the rumor in Denver basically since his career started there.

1211
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: It's very hard for a locker room to rally around

1212
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: a guy like that, and it's a difficult situation for

1213
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: us too. Look, they're no good options for Denver. Here's

1214
01:07:39,640 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 1: the problem. They painted themselves into a corner with this contract.

1215
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: They guaranteed him, at the time, the second most money

1216
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: they've ever guaranteed in NFL history to any player, and

1217
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 1: that leads to a lot of dead money, especially with

1218
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: the double option contract that he signed, where you have

1219
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:00,439
Speaker 1: these dates that if you don't cut him before hand,

1220
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna owe him more guaranteed because they're of the

1221
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: roster bonuses and such. So they're stuck between a rock

1222
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: and a hard place. My guess is Russ is gonna

1223
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,959
Speaker 1: get cut. I doubt there's gonna be a team that's

1224
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: looking to onboard the immense salary that he's owed to

1225
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,360
Speaker 1: get a guy who, again, for whatever reason, it just

1226
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,919
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be clicking with the locker room anymore.

1227
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: And and somebody's gonna sign him though. I mean, if

1228
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 1: he's an available free agent quarterback, somebody will sign him

1229
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:30,280
Speaker 1: and take a flyer on him.

1230
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 2: All right, we'll get much more into who is up

1231
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: the charts who's down the charts in terms of the draft,

1232
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 2: but first let's find out what is trending right now.

1233
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,800
Speaker 2: And well, Richie missed out yesterday. So I did something

1234
01:08:42,800 --> 01:08:45,960
Speaker 2: i'ven't done in a long time. I actually asked Moncie,

1235
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 2: as we are doing our show together a couple of

1236
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:53,839
Speaker 2: weeks ago, about what is her favorite cookie? Yes, and

1237
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 2: she says why, I just like a good chocolate chip cookie. Correct,

1238
01:08:57,560 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 2: So I had Denise her not just regular chocolate chip cookie.

1239
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 2: These were sort of what I call smashed chocolate chip cookies,

1240
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:12,439
Speaker 2: much larger, flattened, and they were vegan, and so I

1241
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,799
Speaker 2: brought in two boxes for Moncey. I would say, Moncey,

1242
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 2: it was a it was a thumbs.

1243
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: Up for you.

1244
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 5: No, no, rich it's the Patrick Mahomes of a cookie.

1245
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 6: Like it's there's no question, you know how it's like

1246
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 6: there's a there's a different tier. That's what this cookie was.

1247
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 6: It was a tear on its own.

1248
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:35,880
Speaker 2: Well, and as I said, I've seen rich eat Denise's

1249
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 2: cookies like their m and ms. Oh you know, but

1250
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 2: these were These were larger ones. They were like almost Frisbees, which.

1251
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 6: Is how I like them, flat and like thin, not

1252
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 6: you know, small and fat.

1253
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 5: You know, I was rich. I was heaven heaven, yes,

1254
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 5: And I wasn't going to share with any Did.

1255
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 2: You share with your boyfriend?

1256
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 6: I did, but I didn't want to. I don't want

1257
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 6: to share with anyone here. And I still didn't. You know, Oh,

1258
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 6: I was like, you want to.

1259
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:03,320
Speaker 1: Fair?

1260
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 6: The world is not fair, Rich, I'm Legit was like,

1261
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 6: how do I get out without having to share?

1262
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 5: How do I walk out with do boxes?

1263
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 8: Well?

1264
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: The problem was when she did share, when the same reactions.

1265
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 5: Everyone loved him, Everyone loved them, and I was like, no,

1266
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 5: you can't have more.

1267
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:18,120
Speaker 1: I gotta do this.

1268
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 2: When I see Rich again, I will definitely have to

1269
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 2: bring an updated version because the vegan you say vegan,

1270
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:26,000
Speaker 2: Oh no.

1271
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 6: You wouldn't even know, you would, You wouldn't even know

1272
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 6: they were so good. Denise is the real MVP. But

1273
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,000
Speaker 6: the real MVP today Caitlin Clark.

1274
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 9: Yes, for college basketball history.

1275
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 2: She doesn't the phone shop.

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Speaker 9: Caitlyn Clarks because the all time leading school a major

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Speaker 9: college basketball history passing kisstill peek fair of its a

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Speaker 9: record that's lasted for.

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Speaker 1: Fifty four years.

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Speaker 5: Fox TV on the call. Let me tell you what

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Speaker 5: my problem with this was. It was on a technical foul.

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Speaker 2: I saw that ball.

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Speaker 6: It was a dead ball, and I guess, like if

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Speaker 6: you bump into another player, they call a technical foul.

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Speaker 5: So I want to know. One, did she have to

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Speaker 5: shoot the ball? If you could have.

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Speaker 6: Let somebody else take that technical foul. I always should

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Speaker 6: have let somebody else take that time.

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Speaker 2: But she always shoots the technical right, But that's not.

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Speaker 5: How you want to break it.

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Speaker 6: Lebron yesterday before he reached forty thousand, he made a

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Speaker 6: shot and was felled.

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Speaker 5: He missed the end one. I say that was on

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Speaker 5: purpose because the next shot he made it and then

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Speaker 5: reached forty thousand.

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Speaker 2: When when she broke the legit record.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the one LJ.

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Speaker 2: Plum's record. She did it in style with about a

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Speaker 2: thirty five three point shot. Yes, this is not a legit.

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Speaker 2: There is no such record that was a record, that

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Speaker 2: was an actual record. She broke the women's Division one

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Speaker 2: scoring record. That's an actual record. There is no record

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Speaker 2: book that has this record that they manufactures. There's no

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Speaker 2: such record, even because there's no risk that actually exists

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Speaker 2: where it says she broke Pete Maravitch's record. This is

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01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 2: a completely made up record record.

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Speaker 6: Show the record, show me the record.

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Speaker 2: No record has such a record. None does not exist.

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Speaker 6: Apparently apparently someone called her ponytail Pete instead of pistol

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Speaker 6: pet ponytail.

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Speaker 2: Pe allright, well, she already broke the record. Yes, and

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Speaker 2: by the way, she broke Lynette Woodard's record, which was

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Speaker 2: legit ai a w. She will not break Pearl Morse record,

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Speaker 2: which is the ald time collegiate record for points by

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Speaker 2: a woman. She will not break that record. There is

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Speaker 2: no such record of her breaking Pete Marrivager's record. It

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Speaker 2: does not exist.

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Speaker 6: It does to some people, and does to some people,

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Speaker 6: even if.

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Speaker 2: It's record records as well.

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Speaker 5: Yes, no, I just said I wanted it to be

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Speaker 5: in style.

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Speaker 6: That's allay, Okay, thank you you.

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Speaker 10: Number six Iowa beating number two High State seventy three

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Speaker 10: fifty six ninety seconds to go in the third quarter.

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Speaker 10: One NBA going on seventy six are still holding onto

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Speaker 10: their lead over the Mavericks seventy six sixty five about

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Speaker 10: five minutes to go.

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Speaker 5: In the third quarter.

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Speaker 6: Luka Doncic leading the way for Dallast almost a triple

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01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 6: double twenty points, nine rebounds, seven assists, and Tobias Harris

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Speaker 6: leading the way right now for Philadelphia with twenty points himself.

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Speaker 5: A little NFL news with these new rules that.

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Speaker 6: They're trying to create, The NFL Network reports that the

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Speaker 6: new kickoff rule, crafted by NFL Special Teams coordinators would

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Speaker 6: allow teams to attempt an on side kick only when

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Speaker 6: trailing in the fourth quarter, and it would require them

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Speaker 6: to declare it in advance. Language is still being finalized

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01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 6: and must be approved by owners.

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Speaker 2: By the way I want it. It's funny because this

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01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: is on my list of things because again, rich, no

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 2: one knows what I'm going to talk about. Everything's a

1343
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,600
Speaker 2: reaction as we go. This is how we offer it

1344
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 2: full surprise, ye and I keep you on your toes

1345
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 2: right when we talk about, you know, preparing for a show,

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01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:16,680
Speaker 2: that that's the opposite.

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01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:16,840
Speaker 1: Here.

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01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 2: We just roll and everyone rolls with me and and

1349
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,200
Speaker 2: and that's why you guys are so phenomenal because you

1350
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 2: always can roll with me.

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01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: All right.

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01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 2: That's interesting. That sort of defeats the purpose of an

1353
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:30,960
Speaker 2: on side kick if you have to tell everybody it's coming,

1354
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 2: although usually it's pretty aware. All right, well, monsie, thank

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01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:36,719
Speaker 2: you very much for check in with you a little

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01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:39,840
Speaker 2: bit later on. By the way, I want to I

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01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:41,719
Speaker 2: was on my list of things I wanted to ask

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01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 2: you today, Rich, and that is it appears that it's

1359
01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 2: going to happen that the NFL is going to change

1360
01:14:48,479 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 2: their kickoff rule to copy the XFL kickoff. Now, if

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01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 2: you don't know how the XFL does kickoffs or did kickoffs,

1362
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 2: and now they have the uf AL obviously, So here's

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01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,000
Speaker 2: how you got to get a visual on this. You

1364
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:04,800
Speaker 2: can YouTube, but to actually watch it if you haven't

1365
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 2: seen it before. So the problem last year, Rich, was

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Speaker 2: only twenty two percent of kickoffs were actually returned. So

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Speaker 2: of all the kickoffs in the NFL a year ago,

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01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:19,879
Speaker 2: only twenty two percent, less than a fourth will actually

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01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 2: returned because you have a situation where you kick it

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Speaker 2: out of the end zone whatever. So the way it

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01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 2: works is this vision this for the kickoff in the NFL. Now,

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Speaker 2: so the kicker stands by himself at his own thirty

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01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 2: yard line, so he's going to kick off from his

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01:15:35,439 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 2: own thirty yard line, and then you have a single

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01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,720
Speaker 2: return guy at the goal line. Okay, so where are

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01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 2: the other twenty players. So on the receiving team, the

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01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: ten players are lined up in a line across their

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01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:55,080
Speaker 2: own thirty yard line. The opposing ten players the kickoff team,

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01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 2: those ten players are lined up in a straight line

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01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 2: five yards in front of the opposing team, so they're

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01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 2: at the thirty five yard line. Now, if you haven't

1382
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 2: seen this how this works, it's pretty unbelievable. So the

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01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 2: idea of this is they're only five yards apart, so

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01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 2: it's almost like a line of scrimmage right where you

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 2: basically block the guy in front of you, or if

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01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 2: you're on the kickoff team, you're trying to get around

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01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: the guy that's trying to block you. It reduces the

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01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 2: idea of full scale run down the field collisions that

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01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:31,520
Speaker 2: can be obviously very dangerous for players, so that's completely eliminated.

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Speaker 2: What it does create is an interesting return situation most

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01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 2: of the time, unless this guy can kick the ball

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01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,679
Speaker 2: eighty yards in the air, because to clear it out

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01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,160
Speaker 2: of the end zone, he would have to kick it

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01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 2: eighty yards in the air. Not a lot of kickers

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01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,879
Speaker 2: can do that, So you're going to get a return.

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01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 2: But when you have twenty guys bunched up in front

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01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 2: of you. The way it works is if you can

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01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 2: pick the right hole, you're gone because you literally go

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01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 2: right through all twenty guys and then the only guy

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01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,760
Speaker 2: left is the kicker and he ain't gonna get you.

1401
01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:07,000
Speaker 2: So this, I mean, we just had Devin Hester elected

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01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 2: to the Pro Football Hall of Fame setting all these

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01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 2: kick return records. If indeed they adopt this kickoff rule,

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01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,800
Speaker 2: which I think is going to happen, those records could

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01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 2: be obsolete. You could see a lot of kickoffs run

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01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,720
Speaker 2: back for touchdowns. If these guys figure out that dyna

1407
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,600
Speaker 2: a pick in that right hole to get through that

1408
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 2: massive bodies and off to the races. What do you

1409
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:27,680
Speaker 2: think of that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I actually like it. So here here's the one

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01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 1: thing that I really think is important is finding a

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Speaker 1: way to keep the kickoff in football. Yes, and I mean,

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, there is a part of my brain,

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Speaker 1: and I was explaining this earlier this week, there's a

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Speaker 1: part of my brain that still misses the days of

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01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 1: yesteryear where it's almost like it's almost like a scene

1417
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: out of Brave Heart where you've got a cow recharging

1418
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: the front lines of the wedge, and you got this

1419
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 1: group of players who are bravely going to take on

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01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: a basically a full blown forty yard Dad.

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Speaker 2: You did special or do you know what it's all about?

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01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I mean, and I was on those those

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01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: wedges on kick return in high school and college, you know,

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01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,280
Speaker 1: helping out on the kicker return team earlier in my

1425
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 1: playing career in the NFL. You know, before those those

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01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: two man surfaces, those three man surfaces were really outlawed

1427
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:32,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You would take on like a severe

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01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:36,040
Speaker 1: contact from you know, a player bombing down the field

1429
01:18:36,080 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 1: with a fifty yard head start sometimes. And so yeah,

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01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 1: I mean did it cause a lot of injuries? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And do I understand the reason why they want to

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01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: take that and legislate that out of the game. I

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01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: absolutely do, And I think it's a smart decision. But

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01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: there is a part of my brain that likes it,

1435
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 1: that likes to see it, that thinks it's important. So

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01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 1: if you find a way to still keep a return

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01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: as part of the game, so we can have those

1438
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:05,799
Speaker 1: special moments that have captivated us all when a returner

1439
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:09,600
Speaker 1: takes a kickoff to the house like that. To me,

1440
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:11,639
Speaker 1: if there's a way to keep that as a part

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01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: of the game, then you absolutely have to find a way.

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Speaker 2: All right, coming up more on the NFL in terms

1443
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 2: of the draft, we get started with that. Keep it

1444
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 2: right here. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Irvin, Rich

1445
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 2: Hornberger Fox Sports Sunday were alive from the tire rack

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Speaker 2: dot Com studios. All right, we're up against the top

1447
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,599
Speaker 2: of the hoar. We got a lot on the other side.

1448
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 2: Quick question for you to sort of kick off the

1449
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: conversation about the upcoming draft and the quarterbacks in this draft, Rich,

1450
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 2: do you believe in any way Caleb Williams hurt himself

1451
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 2: by not submitting his physicals, his medical records to every

1452
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 2: team in the NFL. Has he jeopardized the possibility of

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01:19:48,560 --> 01:19:50,040
Speaker 2: being the number one pick in the draft?

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01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 1: No, not in any way. All it takes is one

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01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: team wanting to do business with Caleb, and he's going

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01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,040
Speaker 1: to have that one team that he's looking for. I

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01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 1: don't think it matters at all.

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Speaker 2: Is it a possibility that the Bears keep the pick

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01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 2: and pick someone other than Kayleib Williams.

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Speaker 1: It's a possibility. I would say it's more remote because

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Speaker 1: it's the safest pick. There's no question being the consensus

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01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 1: off the board overall first overall pick. I mean, that's

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01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,240
Speaker 1: what everybody's saying. Still and Ryan Poles wants to keep

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01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:24,639
Speaker 1: his job as general manager.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And by the way, if they don't want to

1466
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 2: get they get trade down on spot or two get

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01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,599
Speaker 2: who they want and still get a premium pick. We'll

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Speaker 2: continue on about in the NFL Draft. This is Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports Sunday having fun as we do every single Sunday.

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Speaker 2: JP's gonna be Johnny's Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider lots

1477
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: to talk about with spring training going on right now,

1478
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 2: by the way, very quickly before we get back to

1479
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Speaker 2: the NFL Draft and what's came out of the combine

1480
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Speaker 2: as far as quarterbacks are concerned. I asked this a

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01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:19,439
Speaker 2: Monsi yesterday, but I'm asking you as well, because you

1482
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: are a married man. So it came out that show

1483
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 2: hey Otani without telling anybody got married, which is great.

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01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 2: He described his wife as just an ordinary person. Now,

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01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 2: I'm thinking to myself, if you were to describe your

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Speaker 2: wife as just ordinary or normal, this would be really offensive.

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Speaker 2: I mean because I'm thinking now something might be getting

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Speaker 2: lost in translation here, because he could have said something

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Speaker 2: along the lines of, look, I married the most amazing

1490
01:22:00,120 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 2: woman I've ever met. She's an incredibly beautiful woman. No,

1491
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 2: she's not a celebrity, but in my world she is extraordinary.

1492
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:13,519
Speaker 2: I mean, that would be the normal thing you would

1493
01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:16,519
Speaker 2: do in announcing that this is the woman that you've

1494
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 2: chosen to share the rest of your life with. But

1495
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 2: instead he dismissed her as just a normal, ordinary person.

1496
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,280
Speaker 2: I don't know if that went well with her. I'm

1497
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 2: just guessing. I mean, I don't know. I mean, if

1498
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 2: you you know, if you go, so, who did you marry? Well, see,

1499
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:40,200
Speaker 2: just an ordinary girl, normal, you know, just regular. Yeah,

1500
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 2: I don't think that really goes over well. So maybe

1501
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,519
Speaker 2: again he needs to work on his English to get

1502
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:49,879
Speaker 2: a true sentiment out in English without the translator. Somehow,

1503
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 2: dismissing it because I just don't think that goes over well.

1504
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,280
Speaker 2: And by the way, he is by far the biggest

1505
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 2: celebrity in Japan across the board at any level. There's

1506
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 2: no one more famous than than show Hey Otani. And

1507
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:05,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if the women of Japan would be

1508
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 2: happy at him by describing his wife as just a

1509
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: normal person ordinary well.

1510
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't know either. And that's the interesting thing about

1511
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 1: learning about each other's cultures, like, because the reality of

1512
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:25,160
Speaker 1: the situation is maybe that is a compliment, you know,

1513
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 1: maybe in some ways that's that's what that that is

1514
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: something that's that's considered exceptional in that culture. I don't know.

1515
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,719
Speaker 1: I can't speak on it. And also I also don't

1516
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: know how certain words translate from Japanese to English, yes

1517
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: to where, you know, to where? Honestly, like, something I

1518
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: may say in English as a turn of phrase to

1519
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:53,360
Speaker 1: describe somebody might come off as horribly offensive to somebody

1520
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: in a different culture when translated to their language, you know.

1521
01:23:56,680 --> 01:23:59,600
Speaker 1: And it could be a respectful thing to say in

1522
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 1: any language, but culturally it has implications like in this case,

1523
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: that would be considered an affront, you know. So, I mean,

1524
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 1: we don't know what we don't know, So I'm not

1525
01:24:11,439 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 1: going to care to speculate.

1526
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 2: I just wonder if there's a like the actual words,

1527
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:21,519
Speaker 2: as the translator said, she is a normal Japanese woman.

1528
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,640
Speaker 2: Now is there a normal Japanese woman? I mean, I

1529
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:28,760
Speaker 2: don't know, dude as opposed to normal Japanese woman.

1530
01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:33,439
Speaker 1: Or but but again, things can be Context is everything

1531
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: in this world, especially when we're talking about when things

1532
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: are being translated from language to language, if you're missing

1533
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: some really key or valuable context that's hidden within the language,

1534
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:48,799
Speaker 1: Like so many things in the English language that wouldn't

1535
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 1: be understand understood by a foreigner who just stepped off

1536
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: a boat or a plane and it was day one

1537
01:24:54,360 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 1: in America, even if they understood language, but they couldn't

1538
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: understood stand Uh, but they weren't yet adept in a

1539
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: cultural contextual understanding of language in our country, things can

1540
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: be missed, Things can be quite literally lost in translation.

1541
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 11: I also think that in our own culture, we in

1542
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 11: American culture, we've come to view normal as a negative.

1543
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,040
Speaker 11: Everyone wants to be special. We want to think of

1544
01:25:19,080 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 11: these guys as extraordinary. Sometimes normal is not only fine,

1545
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:27,679
Speaker 11: it's positive, it's some other Yeah, it's like a virtue.

1546
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 2: Well you think that. I just don't know a lot

1547
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: of women that are happy with the label normal American.

1548
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 2: Here's what as an ordinary? Ordinary?

1549
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:39,879
Speaker 7: Normal?

1550
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:40,840
Speaker 1: Yes?

1551
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 2: I mean, rich tell us about what actually just a

1552
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,720
Speaker 2: normal woman? You know, just an ordinary one? Well, you

1553
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 2: know it's better being called well, okay, so let.

1554
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 5: Me tell you. Yesterday Richie asked me would you be

1555
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 5: of fective if you recalled mom? I was like, I

1556
01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:59,760
Speaker 5: don't think so, because I was like, it's better than

1557
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 5: being called crazy or a bunch of other parts.

1558
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:06,800
Speaker 2: How about ordinary? Does ordinary play for you? Again?

1559
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 8: It is.

1560
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: Normal or bad? We think vanilla is bad, Vanilla is

1561
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:15,480
Speaker 2: a wonderful favor, Vanilla chocolate any day.

1562
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 5: Vanilla as a negative as boring? Actually, if vanilla is.

1563
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 12: Boring, well see, and there in lies maybe there lies

1564
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 12: the problem.

1565
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,760
Speaker 1: Maybe we're all looking for, like you know, like like

1566
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 1: America's next extreme relationship, Like I.

1567
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 2: Mean, who cares by too many women to expect to

1568
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 2: have normal or ordinary as not the vocabulary in describing

1569
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 2: thom Maybe my experience women's a little bit different, So I'll.

1570
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 1: Tell I'll tell you right now. Also different parts of

1571
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:50,040
Speaker 1: our own country, you know, normalcy might be considered a virtue,

1572
01:26:50,080 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 1: like everybody has their own what do you want to

1573
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:57,840
Speaker 1: call it, like their own desired personality trait. Now, don't

1574
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: get me wrong, I have no idea, uh if she's

1575
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: going to be offended by this statement or not. But

1576
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 1: what I find more fascinating is why this statement was released,

1577
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,719
Speaker 1: Like why did all of a sudden like was it

1578
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,960
Speaker 1: was it like a a what was the impetus? Was

1579
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: it because the marriage has I mean just recently.

1580
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 2: Well he did he just revealed that this was a

1581
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:21,599
Speaker 2: shock to the Dodgers. They had no clue.

1582
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: I don't know why.

1583
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 2: It matters. By the way, there well, there are no

1584
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 2: pictures of this woman. Now if you actually, if you

1585
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 2: type in show hey Otani white, there is a picture

1586
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,679
Speaker 2: of him with a woman who used to date several

1587
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 2: years ago. It's not his wife.

1588
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 1: Can I ask a question, like a real honest question. Yeah,

1589
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 1: And and again, We've had superstar Japanese players play in

1590
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: Major League baseball.

1591
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 2: This is is the biggest superstar player until.

1592
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm very curious about the person like sho he Otani

1593
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: is an unstoppable force on a baseball field, but I'm

1594
01:27:57,640 --> 01:27:59,759
Speaker 1: very curious, like what why? What?

1595
01:27:59,760 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 13: What?

1596
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: What was See. This is the intrigue that I have

1597
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: with certain international players that I'll never have the backstory

1598
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 1: for because again, something is lost in translation. I don't know.

1599
01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,800
Speaker 1: I'll never know or have a real attachment to his

1600
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: hometown because I don't know anything about Japan. I mean,

1601
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: if you told me he was from Yonkers, Queens, or

1602
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: if you told me he was from San Francisco, California,

1603
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 1: if you told me he was from Boone, Iowa, I

1604
01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: can paint a little bit of an illustration as to

1605
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:31,960
Speaker 1: what his hometown, what is upbringing might have been, Like

1606
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, But I mean, tell me

1607
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 1: the name of his hometown in Japan. I won't be

1608
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 1: able to have any reference point. So how did this guy,

1609
01:28:41,200 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: who is the most incredible baseball player I've ever seen

1610
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 1: play baseball become who he's become? What's so frustrating about

1611
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,320
Speaker 1: being an Otani fan? And I am I think he's,

1612
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,400
Speaker 1: like I just said, the best baseball player I've ever

1613
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 1: laid eyes on. It's so frustrating to be a fan

1614
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 1: of his because I don't know who he is and

1615
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 1: I have zero reference points, So I'm learning just like

1616
01:29:04,080 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: everybody else, Like this veiled weird Instagram post about his marriage, like,

1617
01:29:10,280 --> 01:29:12,080
Speaker 1: why can't we know who your wife is?

1618
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 2: Why is that important to you?

1619
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: I want to know more about this guy, not less.

1620
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:17,720
Speaker 2: I want to pick up on this a little bit

1621
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 2: because we were talking about this about the Caitlin Clark

1622
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:25,719
Speaker 2: situation of being a star as opposed to the best player,

1623
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 2: and we say this in sports all the time. The

1624
01:29:28,520 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 2: reason that Derek Jeter, who was not as good a

1625
01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,799
Speaker 2: player as a Rod but he was the bigger star,

1626
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 2: was not just what he did on the baseball field,

1627
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 2: but what he did off the field. I mean, Jeter

1628
01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 2: lived what we perceive in this country to be the

1629
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 2: star life, as he's dating all these beautiful women and

1630
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 2: everything else, you know, one after another, on top of

1631
01:29:51,200 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 2: being the shortstop of the New York Yankees. That's what

1632
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 2: makes you a star. I'm still trying to figure out,

1633
01:29:57,439 --> 01:30:02,759
Speaker 2: because I don't think stars can be manufactured. I think

1634
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 2: you either have what it takes to be a star

1635
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: or you don't. And it's hard to explain why was

1636
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 2: Humphrey Bogart such a star. He wasn't the best looking

1637
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,360
Speaker 2: actor in Hollywood. I mean he had he was unique

1638
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 2: in a certain way, but something about him, elevated him

1639
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:25,960
Speaker 2: to superstart him in the movies. Wh's hard to explain.

1640
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 1: So it's it's a mixture. It's a mixture.

1641
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 2: Does show hey Otani if we don't know anything about

1642
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:35,479
Speaker 2: his personal life or or he lives a very low

1643
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 2: key existence, which basically he has. It's not like he

1644
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 2: just showed up. This is his seventh major league season

1645
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 2: coming up, regardless of his exploits on the field. From

1646
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:50,320
Speaker 2: a from a star standpoint, I know baseball's desperate for

1647
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,599
Speaker 2: a star, and I'm just wanting because Mike Trout basically

1648
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 2: made it clear to everybody I have no interest in

1649
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 2: doing that. And he's not a star. He's one of

1650
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 2: the great players of all time, but he's not a star.

1651
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 1: A star I've been I've been saying this to you

1652
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: for years. In fact, this is something that I think

1653
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 1: I had to convince you of for a while, talking

1654
01:31:12,040 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: about how there is a huge designation between these two things.

1655
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you finally come around and you've adopted

1656
01:31:19,160 --> 01:31:20,400
Speaker 1: this opinion, because.

1657
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 2: It's between defining a star and a great player, there

1658
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,680
Speaker 2: exactly be two. Sometimes they go hand in hand, like

1659
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,240
Speaker 2: a George Michael Right.

1660
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard is a great player. He is not a star, right,

1661
01:31:35,560 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: he is not. I agree with Kobe Bryant was a star.

1662
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 1: Lebron James is a star. Steph Curry.

1663
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:48,080
Speaker 2: Outside of Steph Curry and Lebron James, who's a star

1664
01:31:48,120 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 2: in the NBA? To those two guys are stars? Who

1665
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,559
Speaker 2: else in the NBA is a star?

1666
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 1: Like? You could make the argument that that that Jannie

1667
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,839
Speaker 1: is trying to be but he's in a much smaller market.

1668
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:06,480
Speaker 1: It's it's tough because it also takes sometimes your environment

1669
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: to help a booster.

1670
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 2: He's a player, He's like Jokic. I mean, Jokic's great player.

1671
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:14,719
Speaker 2: I mean, we can go down a list of great

1672
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 2: you know.

1673
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:19,679
Speaker 1: Don junk was a great player, not a star. Right.

1674
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 1: And by the way, some of some of these guys

1675
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: want to be stars. Some of these guys they're trying

1676
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 1: to be stars and they don't know how to quite

1677
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: put all the ingredients together to get there. I mean,

1678
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:32,559
Speaker 1: in baseball, you mentioned two of them show Heytani Mike

1679
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:36,320
Speaker 1: Trout inarguably two of the greatest baseball players to ever

1680
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 1: go to the MLB. They are not stars. They're just

1681
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,400
Speaker 1: not Bryce Harper, He's a star. Bryce Harper is a star.

1682
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 1: You know, love him or hate him. Trevor Bauer was

1683
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,839
Speaker 1: a star like he was a guy who welcomed the creditor.

1684
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: A star. Oh, there's no doubt. Go go to his

1685
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: YouTube and see how popular his uh the media, the

1686
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:02,439
Speaker 1: media that he pumps out independently. I mean he's still

1687
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 1: in terms of you know, the media profile turning himself

1688
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 1: into something. It's that now. Obviously it was basically blacklisted

1689
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:15,519
Speaker 1: by Baseball and the story that came out against him.

1690
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:18,839
Speaker 1: But you could be a star with controversy. Dennis Rodman's

1691
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: a perfect example, another great star, absolutely a star star star.

1692
01:33:24,479 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: So my so, my point is there is a big

1693
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 1: differentiation between being a great player and being a star player.

1694
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, I don't get this way. If

1695
01:33:33,960 --> 01:33:36,000
Speaker 2: you if you want to actually be a star, the

1696
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 2: one thing you have to have in your resume is

1697
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,320
Speaker 2: you attended East Meadow High School. If you don't have

1698
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 2: that on your resume. Uh and outside of you and

1699
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:47,880
Speaker 2: Frank Viola, I don't, I don't know anybody.

1700
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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's.

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01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's been well and and my my one,

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01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:56,880
Speaker 1: my one, I wouldn't say it's criticism I wouldn't say

1704
01:33:56,920 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 1: it's criticism at all. My one my one commentary on

1705
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,320
Speaker 1: the difference between being great out of sport and starring

1706
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:08,960
Speaker 1: in a sport is I do feel like it's more

1707
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:12,799
Speaker 1: difficult to star ye when the world's press is knocking

1708
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 1: at your door, when they are surrounding you in a

1709
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: locker room or a clubhouse, and you answer every question

1710
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: and you take every media request, and you become an

1711
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 1: ambassador for the game that you play, and you're the

1712
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:27,120
Speaker 1: poster on the wall of every single player who's grown

1713
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,240
Speaker 1: up and wants to be like Mike, or wants to

1714
01:34:29,240 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: be like Steph, or wants to be like like Bryce

1715
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: in baseball, wants to be like Lebron Lebron like that

1716
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 1: that they're there within that that that stardom. You carry,

1717
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,480
Speaker 1: this great responsibility, and it's one that show hey Otani

1718
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:49,760
Speaker 1: doesn't have to carry because he makes himself virtually invisible

1719
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 1: to the press and any little morsel or tidbit or

1720
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: vista into his lifestyle or his personality. I mean, it's

1721
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 1: exaggerated tenfold because because it's all we get, we get

1722
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 1: these tiny little breadcrumbs to try to piece together the character,

1723
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:08,559
Speaker 1: the profile on this guy. We still, like you said,

1724
01:35:08,600 --> 01:35:12,200
Speaker 1: after seven Major League baseball seasons, have no idea who

1725
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:14,120
Speaker 1: this guy is? All right, don't know them.

1726
01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,160
Speaker 2: On the other side, we're getting to know these quarterbacks

1727
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 2: in the upcoming NFL Draft, but evaluating them in terms

1728
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 2: of their future is more complicated than ever. Why we'll

1729
01:35:26,439 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 2: tell you this is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvin and

1730
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:32,799
Speaker 2: Rich Tornberger Fox Sports Sunday. We're live from the tirag

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01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:33,759
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Speaker 1: Now.

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01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:36,160
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1734
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1736
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1738
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Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. You'll see this show posted

1739
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,040
Speaker 2: right after we get off the air. By the way,

1740
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:55,960
Speaker 2: quick note here, talking to our esteemed producer, Bo, Bo

1741
01:35:56,160 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 2: told me that he considers Kyrie Irving a star. But

1742
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,800
Speaker 2: then he said that Peyton Manning is not a star.

1743
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 7: This topic has fractured the show here.

1744
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're Kyrie Herving is a star, but Peyton

1745
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 2: Manning is not a star.

1746
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 7: The knives are out there, we go.

1747
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:16,439
Speaker 2: I mean what the hell is going on here?

1748
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 1: I I get where his head's at, but there is

1749
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:27,200
Speaker 1: an undeniable charisma and attention paid to Peyton Manning, so

1750
01:36:27,320 --> 01:36:30,880
Speaker 1: much so that, I mean, this guy has found it,

1751
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 1: deemed it necessary, almost like begged to start his own

1752
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:38,719
Speaker 1: production company because people couldn't get enough of the guy,

1753
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,439
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he's he's for crying out loud,

1754
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:44,719
Speaker 1: He's running a Monday night football simulcast with his brother

1755
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: from their basements respectively.

1756
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, even Eli Manning is a star. Yeah,

1757
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you can make a serious argument that he

1758
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 2: has no place in the Pro Football Hall of Fame,

1759
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 2: but you can't deny that Eli Manning is not a star.

1760
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got more place on the walk of him.

1761
01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 2: Even if he has no charisma, his lack of charisma

1762
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:12,439
Speaker 2: creates his stardom well, or even if it's his connection

1763
01:37:12,520 --> 01:37:15,720
Speaker 2: with his brother Peyton. The fact is Eli Manning is

1764
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:16,920
Speaker 2: now a star.

1765
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:22,000
Speaker 1: I will never, though, like, condemn somebody for an opinion,

1766
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:23,880
Speaker 1: even if I think it's a bad one.

1767
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 7: Bo I mean, so look, I just I'm saying all

1768
01:37:27,880 --> 01:37:29,920
Speaker 7: we could talk about last summer was Kyrie Irving and

1769
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:31,720
Speaker 7: Kyrie Irving this and kyrievn that I don't care why

1770
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 7: we were talking about him, but he was in the news.

1771
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 1: No, it's true. And and like I said, you could

1772
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: be a controversial star. I mean I mentioned Trevor Bauer,

1773
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:43,679
Speaker 1: I mentioned Dennis Rodman. Guys who were or are great

1774
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:47,840
Speaker 1: out of sport who draw in negative criticism and they

1775
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 1: keep their name extremely relevant. Now it's it's been toned

1776
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:55,640
Speaker 1: down for Kyrie Irving, you know, since joining the Mavericks,

1777
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:57,920
Speaker 1: I you know, we haven't heard as much from him.

1778
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:00,120
Speaker 1: But but yeah, no, I mean.

1779
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:02,080
Speaker 2: Look in the day, back in the day, Yeah, te

1780
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:06,719
Speaker 2: O was a star. Jo Jo Sinco was a star

1781
01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:08,480
Speaker 2: at one.

1782
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,320
Speaker 1: Well he still is, you know, he's still still out

1783
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: there in the podcast world.

1784
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:14,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So yeah.

1785
01:38:14,840 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 7: I'm just very confused as to what the overall definition

1786
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:18,120
Speaker 7: of star here.

1787
01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:19,640
Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's subjective.

1788
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:22,200
Speaker 5: There's yeah, but there's an X factor involved.

1789
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:23,760
Speaker 6: I think what we should do is go to this

1790
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 6: yoga studio and just ask random people names, do you know?

1791
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:31,880
Speaker 11: Yeah, because and then we'll see who actually know. This

1792
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 11: is what me and Monci were trying to get out.

1793
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 11: We were trying to find the right word. It's kind

1794
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:37,400
Speaker 11: of like there's a star and a celebrity, but not

1795
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:41,679
Speaker 11: if we're getting there but not quite there if we pop.

1796
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,160
Speaker 2: I see the distinction, Chris, of what you're saying out there.

1797
01:38:45,960 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 2: By the way, Uh, I guess on our X accounts,

1798
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 2: which I rarely look at, but only when I The

1799
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,400
Speaker 2: only reason anyone responds on mine is because it's connected

1800
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 2: to yours. Months that's usually where I get my uh.

1801
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:03,479
Speaker 2: But I mean I I to me, it's pretty much

1802
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,680
Speaker 2: like I say, with a hall of fame, if I

1803
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:07,640
Speaker 2: give you a name and I ask you, is he

1804
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:09,599
Speaker 2: a hall of famer? And you have to think about it,

1805
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,840
Speaker 2: He's not a hall of famer. If you got to say, well, no,

1806
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 2: I give you a name, you're like, of course that's yes,

1807
01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 2: absolutely yeah. And that's the way the same thing with

1808
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 2: a star, you know, Taylor Swift. I use the Swift

1809
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:27,559
Speaker 2: analogy because she is neither the best singer out there

1810
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 2: or the best songwriter, but she is by far the

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01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 2: biggest start. And now we're going to get a lot

1812
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:34,599
Speaker 2: more replies on X for what you just said. Okay,

1813
01:39:34,640 --> 01:39:35,320
Speaker 2: well there you go.

1814
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 1: Here's here's also the thing, like I'll give you an

1815
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 1: example of of you know, two guys who are in

1816
01:39:43,040 --> 01:39:47,519
Speaker 1: the same sport, one's a star, one of them's are

1817
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:52,760
Speaker 1: just just a great boxer. How about Terrence Crawford or

1818
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:58,719
Speaker 1: Jake Paul Exactly, Jake Paul's the star. Terrence is a great,

1819
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 1: is a great box He's a great. But guess what

1820
01:40:01,920 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: Jake Paul's a star?

1821
01:40:03,200 --> 01:40:03,559
Speaker 2: Correct?

1822
01:40:03,560 --> 01:40:08,519
Speaker 1: I mean, now, don't get me wrong, but his box.

1823
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:13,080
Speaker 1: I guess stardom, but that's part of his stardom. Look,

1824
01:40:13,160 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 1: Lebron James isn't only a basketball player, He's also an actor.

1825
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 1: He's also he's also a not a podcaster, but a

1826
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:23,880
Speaker 1: television show producer, and he stars on the show The Shop.

1827
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:27,480
Speaker 1: Like you know, so like, I guess, my point is stardom.

1828
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,599
Speaker 1: And don't get me wrong, it's it's very opinion based,

1829
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 1: and obviously it's a sliding scale, and certain people can

1830
01:40:33,439 --> 01:40:36,200
Speaker 1: fall out of favor or the limelight could diminish on

1831
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 1: them post career or even during their career, and it

1832
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:42,519
Speaker 1: can pop at different times. But there is a big

1833
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,200
Speaker 1: difference between being great out of sport and being a

1834
01:40:45,240 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 1: star in a sport. I guess. I guess probably the

1835
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 1: easiest reach for me is if we're talking about specifically

1836
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:55,320
Speaker 1: sports stars. To me, a star is a name that

1837
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:59,800
Speaker 1: irrefutably anybody who pays attention to the sport knows the

1838
01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:01,400
Speaker 1: name without questions.

1839
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 2: Well, but they also have to jump off the page,

1840
01:41:04,200 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 2: because again, there are stars within their sport, right. But

1841
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:11,400
Speaker 2: I mean, for instance, I mean, I'll go old school basketball,

1842
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,679
Speaker 2: the big old Oscar Robertson. Oscar Robertson was the best

1843
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 2: basketball player in the NBA. You know, inch for inch, right,

1844
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:20,719
Speaker 2: he was you know, dominant, But he wasn't a star,

1845
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:23,719
Speaker 2: you know. In other words, in terms that the people

1846
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:27,479
Speaker 2: beyond basketball know who Oscar Robertson is. People know who

1847
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:31,160
Speaker 2: Larry Bird is, people know who Magic Johnson is, Michael Jordan,

1848
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:34,800
Speaker 2: Lebron James, Steph Curry. These that to me is you know,

1849
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:40,240
Speaker 2: a tiger with These are the people whose fame goes

1850
01:41:40,280 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 2: beyond just the inner circle of their individual sport. That's

1851
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 2: how you become a star.

1852
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:47,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair thing.

1853
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,240
Speaker 2: I mean, Shack is a star, Charles Barkley is a star.

1854
01:41:50,400 --> 01:41:51,720
Speaker 2: These are stars.

1855
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's important to realize that.

1856
01:41:56,520 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 2: Karl Maloney's star, Carl Malone's one of the great player

1857
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 2: is Tim Duncan one of the great players in them.

1858
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 2: Are they stars? No they're not. No, No, they're not.

1859
01:42:05,040 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 1: No, they're not they're not. I mean, in fact, you

1860
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:11,599
Speaker 1: could you could argue there are many lesser players than

1861
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 1: both of those names.

1862
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:18,519
Speaker 2: That you Dennis Rodman a far bigger star than Karl Malone. Oh,

1863
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,800
Speaker 2: even though he couldn't. He wasn't the fraction of the

1864
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 2: player the Malone was.

1865
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 1: Blake Griffin is a bigger star than Karl Malone ever was.

1866
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 1: I mean, is he going to the Natsmith Hall of Fame?

1867
01:42:30,240 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 2: Borderline? Borderline?

1868
01:42:31,720 --> 01:42:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. But I'm saying like

1869
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,400
Speaker 1: one is a lock. I mean, there was no question.

1870
01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 1: So that's my point. It's it's it's look and again

1871
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 1: it's a sliding scale and and you'll have big moments

1872
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:45,160
Speaker 1: and you have smaller moments in terms of your stardom

1873
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:47,240
Speaker 1: over the course of a career. But I do agree

1874
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 1: with you. I do think it does have to transcend

1875
01:42:50,120 --> 01:42:53,439
Speaker 1: what you're originally known for. You know, your stardom and

1876
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 1: by the way, your stardom could just be due to promotion.

1877
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,000
Speaker 2: Of course, promotion.

1878
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:01,719
Speaker 7: I have figured out the perfect measurement for this, Uh,

1879
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:06,960
Speaker 7: this conversation. We're gonna use Instagram followers really, okay? Shoe

1880
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:11,759
Speaker 7: Hao Tani has seven point six million Instagram followers. Peyton

1881
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 7: Manning has seven hundred and twenty nine thousand, So.

1882
01:43:13,960 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 2: Okay, how many of those million? How many are based

1883
01:43:16,840 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 2: in Japan?

1884
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:19,639
Speaker 7: Shoe star Peyton Manning not a star.

1885
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 2: Look at Yao Ming. You know when Yao Ming? When

1886
01:43:24,040 --> 01:43:25,960
Speaker 2: Yao Ming was in the NBA, did you know that

1887
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 2: Yao Ming was voted the starting center every single year

1888
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:31,280
Speaker 2: he laid in the league, in the All Star Game,

1889
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:34,639
Speaker 2: and several of the years he beat out Shack Yao Ming.

1890
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:38,559
Speaker 2: Why because it was an open ballot and in China

1891
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 2: they flooded the ballots and Yao Ming was voted the starter.

1892
01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:44,360
Speaker 7: Why in America?

1893
01:43:44,400 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 11: Why is it just because we're Americans?

1894
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:51,240
Speaker 7: Jake Kall has twenty six million followers on Instagram.

1895
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:53,759
Speaker 2: If you guys were curious, yes, okay, now do Lionel Messi.

1896
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 1: That's a that's a big star, all right, But.

1897
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:59,839
Speaker 2: Again, how many how many followers in this country?

1898
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:00,320
Speaker 1: Show?

1899
01:44:00,320 --> 01:44:02,080
Speaker 2: Hey tany does that have a breakdown?

1900
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:02,280
Speaker 8: No?

1901
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:03,840
Speaker 7: It doesn't of course a lot?

1902
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,439
Speaker 11: Okay, just because it's internet like again, just sell bunch

1903
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 11: is a bigger person like star internationally than Tom Brady.

1904
01:44:10,320 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 11: But we're just gonna ignore billions of other people in

1905
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 11: their opinions and thoughts just because.

1906
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 2: Like USA, USA, us A, us A numbers until you

1907
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:27,799
Speaker 2: don't want numbers on these guys numbers.

1908
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:33,599
Speaker 1: I what what I am going to do is lend

1909
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 1: fuel to the fire. You use your numbers to twist

1910
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: them in your this little game you play. Chris Perfeto

1911
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 1: bents Well, I said, people are some people are beyond

1912
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: the numbers, like our very own Monty.

1913
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 2: I was gonna tell us what's trending right now. Of

1914
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 2: course she's been chiming in with Jimmy Butler.

1915
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm wearing a Jimmy Butler. Sure, he's a star.

1916
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 5: He's a star.

1917
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Speaker 2: He's a star, thank you.

1918
01:44:56,840 --> 01:44:59,439
Speaker 6: And I think it's a good example because he hasn't won,

1919
01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:00,400
Speaker 6: you know what I mean.

1920
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:02,920
Speaker 5: Like, but he's a star, he is a star. And

1921
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 5: I love Jimmy Butler a.

1922
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,120
Speaker 2: Bigger star than Damian Lillard.

1923
01:45:07,479 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 5: I would say yes, yes, And.

1924
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: I'll say this about Jimmy Butler was about to drop

1925
01:45:14,880 --> 01:45:17,240
Speaker 1: He's about to drop a country album. And then I

1926
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:21,519
Speaker 1: wait with baited breaths this album and you.

1927
01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:23,479
Speaker 5: Know what I love about Jimmy Butler. He doesn't have

1928
01:45:23,479 --> 01:45:26,519
Speaker 5: a stupid podcast. Thank you, Jimmy.

1929
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Speaker 2: Who's a bigger star Taylor Swift for Beyonce?

1930
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Speaker 5: I think right now it's Taylor Swift. I think if

1931
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Speaker 5: you would isn't so well?

1932
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Speaker 2: Jay Z, we saw that at the Grammy, Well, you know.

1933
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Speaker 5: What are you gonna be about that?

1934
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Speaker 6: I think if you would have asked, maybe even just

1935
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Speaker 6: maybe five years ago, you could argue Beyonce, you know,

1936
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Speaker 6: but right now I think it's Taylor Swift.

1937
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Speaker 5: We were just tweeted at Fellas.

1938
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:53,160
Speaker 6: Really lmaoh listening to you and Steve talking about show

1939
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:57,479
Speaker 6: Hay's wife normal in quotations is a good comment in Japan,

1940
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:00,320
Speaker 6: I just told my wife about you guys, that about

1941
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:02,080
Speaker 6: you guys lost on what show?

1942
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:02,679
Speaker 5: Says?

1943
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Speaker 6: She said, Yeah, it's good. What's the problem. I guess

1944
01:46:06,120 --> 01:46:09,800
Speaker 6: she's from Japan. It means she's not a celebrity and

1945
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:14,120
Speaker 6: a subtle message to just leave her alone paparazzi in parentheses.

1946
01:46:14,160 --> 01:46:16,280
Speaker 2: He could have said, he could have said this, she's

1947
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Speaker 2: the most extraordinary woman I've ever met, but she's not

1948
01:46:20,280 --> 01:46:25,000
Speaker 2: a celebrity. That would have checked both.

1949
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Speaker 5: Boxes at all.

1950
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Speaker 6: Because that's not that that's defeating the.

1951
01:46:29,400 --> 01:46:30,080
Speaker 5: Purpose of it.

1952
01:46:30,479 --> 01:46:32,599
Speaker 6: He's just trying to make it like it's not a thing.

1953
01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 5: Guys, don't worry about my wife.

1954
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 2: Well, normal is ordinary, and I don't think anyone wants

1955
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:40,040
Speaker 2: to be described as.

1956
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:44,719
Speaker 1: Organ maybe but maybe, but again, yeah, it's better than crazy,

1957
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 1: says Manzi. And I think I agree because I don't

1958
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,000
Speaker 1: think I've ever called my wife crazy.

1959
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Speaker 13: And to my ordinary wife, well, to Steve's point, I've

1960
01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 13: never been like, hi, guys doing oh my gosh, you

1961
01:47:01,400 --> 01:47:02,360
Speaker 13: haven't met Annie.

1962
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Speaker 7: She's very normal.

1963
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Speaker 2: She's very ordinary, very normal, I know.

1964
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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, very ordinary wife.

1965
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Speaker 5: There's a bit of.

1966
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Speaker 6: A language barrier here, like it's just different.

1967
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Speaker 5: I was telling Steve yesterday.

1968
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Speaker 2: Hege to work on his English, y'all. Momotos speaks better English,

1969
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 2: by the way, than Otani, and he's much younger.

1970
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Speaker 5: No, he does not. Otani speaks pretty good English.

1971
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Speaker 2: Really, I've never heard it, whereas he just.

1972
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Speaker 6: Did a speech, didn't he in English?

1973
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Speaker 1: Both.

1974
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 7: I think Otani just doesn't want to speak English. I

1975
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:28,920
Speaker 7: don't think, because then.

1976
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Speaker 5: This happens, right, I agree. There's also there's also a

1977
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 5: video that came out not too long ago.

1978
01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 6: They also got her none this who is now with

1979
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 6: the Dodgers, and he's doing like a selfie video and

1980
01:47:40,160 --> 01:47:42,920
Speaker 6: he's like, show Hay say in Spanish, and he tells

1981
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 6: him he says, good morning fans, when.

1982
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 5: Does thees fanaticos And.

1983
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:48,679
Speaker 6: He makes show Hay say it, and jo Hay says

1984
01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 6: it almost perfectly in Spanish. Then he goes to Yamamoto

1985
01:47:52,400 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 6: and Yamoto's like, when, like you could tell like he's

1986
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:58,760
Speaker 6: never said Spanish one time. I think show hayes learning Spanish.

1987
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:01,240
Speaker 2: I saw that we played this on the TV news.

1988
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 2: He did it was amazing, it was very good, good.

1989
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 5: He had a great accent. I was so surprised to

1990
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:09,840
Speaker 5: see that. So I just I think he's been sneaky, guys,

1991
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:10,519
Speaker 5: is what I'm saying.

1992
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry except for being complimentary.

1993
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:21,280
Speaker 2: That is Steve's normal. He's normal, all right.

1994
01:48:21,880 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 6: In the NBA, Fellows, we're checking in because we.

1995
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:26,200
Speaker 5: Are going down to the wire right now.

1996
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,480
Speaker 6: Kyrie Irving just hit a three for the Mavericks.

1997
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:30,080
Speaker 1: He's a star.

1998
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 5: Bring them within three.

1999
01:48:33,040 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 6: Uh seventy six ers do have the ball. They are

2000
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,519
Speaker 6: taking some free throws, so there's five seconds left.

2001
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:40,240
Speaker 5: Billy up by three.

2002
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:43,880
Speaker 6: They're shooting free throws, so we'll see what happens. Uh,

2003
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:47,559
Speaker 6: there was a play where Luca Dontu slipped really gross.

2004
01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 5: I thought he was gonna be come out of the game.

2005
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 6: So I'm saying this just in case we hear later

2006
01:48:51,320 --> 01:48:53,960
Speaker 6: later today that maybe you know, he's questionable for the

2007
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:56,599
Speaker 6: next game. He had a nasty little slip and fall

2008
01:48:56,600 --> 01:48:58,000
Speaker 6: and it looked like his knee.

2009
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:59,439
Speaker 5: And his ankle both went out.

2010
01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:03,400
Speaker 6: So yeah, free throw made it probably over at this

2011
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:07,879
Speaker 6: point five seconds left, Philly up miss free throw and

2012
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:09,639
Speaker 6: we're going down to the wire here, but they're.

2013
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 5: Down by four. So anyway, Kayline.

2014
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Speaker 6: Clark dropped thirty five points today became the men and

2015
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:16,640
Speaker 6: women's all time NCAA leading scorer. Somebody also tweeted at

2016
01:49:16,680 --> 01:49:19,320
Speaker 6: US one person agreeing with U, s one person agreeing

2017
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 6: with me. Number six Iowa defeated number two Ohio State

2018
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Speaker 6: and also South Carolina.

2019
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Speaker 5: Number one.

2020
01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:30,840
Speaker 6: South Carolina completed its second straight perfect regular season with

2021
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 6: the seventy six to sixty victory over Tennessee. South Carolina

2022
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 6: is the first team to enter the SEC Tournament undefeated

2023
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:38,639
Speaker 6: multiple times.

2024
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:39,799
Speaker 5: That's pretty awesome.

2025
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:42,840
Speaker 6: In the NFL, the new kickoff rule crafted by NFL

2026
01:49:42,920 --> 01:49:45,880
Speaker 6: special teams coordinators would allow teams to attack to attempt

2027
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,040
Speaker 6: an on side kick only when trailing.

2028
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:50,400
Speaker 5: In the fourth quarter. They would have to declare it

2029
01:49:50,439 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 5: in advance as well.

2030
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:54,640
Speaker 6: Language is still being finalized and owners must approve this,

2031
01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 6: according to the NFL Network.

2032
01:49:56,200 --> 01:49:59,120
Speaker 5: And I'm sure you guys saw this yesterday, but did

2033
01:49:59,160 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 5: you see that? Clutch Sports CEO Rich.

2034
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:06,200
Speaker 6: Paul told ESPN that Bronnie James is expected to weigh

2035
01:50:06,280 --> 01:50:08,639
Speaker 6: in on his entry into the twenty twenty four NBA

2036
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 6: Draft based on a specific team interest, not draft position.

2037
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:16,200
Speaker 2: Well, right now, there is no draft position for him.

2038
01:50:16,240 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 2: There's not a single mock draft that has his name listed.

2039
01:50:19,040 --> 01:50:22,360
Speaker 2: So unless there's a pre arranged in that situation with

2040
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:25,800
Speaker 2: a team saying that we are not going to draft him,

2041
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:29,960
Speaker 2: but we're gonna sign him, then that's fine. I mean,

2042
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:30,960
Speaker 2: is that fine?

2043
01:50:31,479 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 5: Is that fine?

2044
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:33,880
Speaker 2: Is that a lot of guys? There are a lot

2045
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:36,920
Speaker 2: of guys that come out. Look at he's averaging five

2046
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:40,120
Speaker 2: points and three rebounds a game and to assist, So

2047
01:50:40,160 --> 01:50:43,360
Speaker 2: there's hundreds and hundreds of players that have very similar numbers.

2048
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 2: He's shooting thirty six percent from the field, twenty seven

2049
01:50:46,320 --> 01:50:49,639
Speaker 2: percent from the three point line. So there's nothing about

2050
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:52,960
Speaker 2: Bronnie James in his freshman year at USC that stands out.

2051
01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:57,120
Speaker 1: Yis, But if there's a team that wants tapped except

2052
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of room for improvement.

2053
01:50:58,920 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 2: You guys, well, okay, and you say that about hundreds

2054
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:02,600
Speaker 2: and hundreds of players.

2055
01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:04,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, but I'm just saying that is the thing

2056
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 1: you can say, and it's a positive because I mean,

2057
01:51:07,800 --> 01:51:11,240
Speaker 1: let's put it this way. I mean, am I am

2058
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:15,639
Speaker 1: I cheerleading anybody getting a job based on nepotism alone. No,

2059
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:18,240
Speaker 1: But if you look at the body of work and

2060
01:51:18,280 --> 01:51:20,599
Speaker 1: you think about whether or not he's a fit for

2061
01:51:20,640 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 1: the NBA, I say yeah, I say yeah.

2062
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 2: I mean I guess anybody could play in the NBA.

2063
01:51:28,640 --> 01:51:31,160
Speaker 2: I can play in the NBA. I mean could I

2064
01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 2: actually could I actually run onto a court in an

2065
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:36,280
Speaker 2: NBA game if somebody wanted me to do it, Hey,

2066
01:51:36,280 --> 01:51:36,840
Speaker 2: I could do that.

2067
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:39,360
Speaker 1: All it takes, all it takes is one team. All

2068
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:42,960
Speaker 1: it takes is one team. But the only way that

2069
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:46,000
Speaker 1: is our guy. So I'm saying, if there's a team

2070
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 1: out there, and my guess is it could be the

2071
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers, completely unrelated to where's dead plays. It

2072
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:55,640
Speaker 1: could be though, where they say, hey, we're going to

2073
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 1: take a flyer on this guy who's averaging five points

2074
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:01,320
Speaker 1: a game. I think that's screat I think, and I

2075
01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:02,200
Speaker 1: think that's fair.

2076
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but do not expect a team to use a

2077
01:52:06,200 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 2: draft deck. Right, But if he wants to sign.

2078
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:10,679
Speaker 1: Up pree agent with a team, no, he'll declare himself

2079
01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:13,160
Speaker 1: eligible for the draft. He won't be drafted, and then

2080
01:52:13,479 --> 01:52:17,639
Speaker 1: he'll be an undrafted free agent to a team, right, A.

2081
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:20,599
Speaker 2: Team now, by the way, By the way, Lebron actually

2082
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:23,639
Speaker 2: came out and talked about this whole situation, saying that

2083
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:25,720
Speaker 2: he wants his son to stand on his own.

2084
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:29,200
Speaker 5: Doesn't seem like it, well, I mean that's.

2085
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 2: What he's publicly saying.

2086
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:32,760
Speaker 6: So anyway, he has publicly said other things and then

2087
01:52:32,800 --> 01:52:33,679
Speaker 6: deleted tweets.

2088
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:36,040
Speaker 2: Yes he has. But he's still a star, all right.

2089
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:39,519
Speaker 2: By the way, let's let's say again, just yes, for

2090
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 2: the record, on Caitlyn Clark passing Pete Marivitch on the

2091
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 2: all time scoring list. This is her one and thirtieth

2092
01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 2: collegiate game. Pistol pe played eighty star eighty three, So

2093
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:56,640
Speaker 2: that's that's a big difference eighty three games versus one

2094
01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:57,639
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty games.

2095
01:52:57,640 --> 01:52:59,080
Speaker 5: But I also read that he took a lot more

2096
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:00,719
Speaker 5: shots than she did. Is that accurate?

2097
01:53:00,920 --> 01:53:02,880
Speaker 2: He did, he took a lot of shots, but he

2098
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:05,559
Speaker 2: didn't have any three point shots because there was three

2099
01:53:05,600 --> 01:53:11,160
Speaker 2: point shots concasso. Somebody, somebody actually calculated in his final game,

2100
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,720
Speaker 2: if there have been a three point shot in his

2101
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:17,519
Speaker 2: day and a shot clock that forty four points, the

2102
01:53:17,560 --> 01:53:19,599
Speaker 2: game would be way over fifty a game.

2103
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:22,920
Speaker 1: Well, well, waybody actually went and did the math, because

2104
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,160
Speaker 1: he took shots at range. Also, wasn't all.

2105
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:28,160
Speaker 2: Just well within the all over the place, so he would.

2106
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,680
Speaker 1: Score at range. They said, if if they had a

2107
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 1: three point line back then yeah, you know, I don't

2108
01:53:33,320 --> 01:53:36,360
Speaker 1: look and I don't know who did this this metric. Yes,

2109
01:53:36,439 --> 01:53:38,960
Speaker 1: but they went back and reviewed some of the film,

2110
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 1: if not all of it, and they said he would

2111
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:44,559
Speaker 1: have fifteen hundred more points right based on the shots

2112
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 1: that he made at that range. Correct.

2113
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,439
Speaker 2: So, and by the way, and the shot clock would

2114
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 2: also be a factor because of possessions of the basketball.

2115
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 2: It is a much slower game back in those days.

2116
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 2: So anyway, uh, again, none of this takes away from

2117
01:53:57,240 --> 01:54:01,760
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark, it's just a ridiculous comparison. Like you say,

2118
01:54:01,840 --> 01:54:04,360
Speaker 2: she now holds the men's and women's records, and she

2119
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:06,760
Speaker 2: doesn't hold the men's record. The man's record is held

2120
01:54:06,760 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 2: by Pete Maravich. She holds the women's.

2121
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:12,200
Speaker 5: Record, and there happens more than Pete's.

2122
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:15,679
Speaker 2: But it's there's no such combined record. Give me show

2123
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:19,160
Speaker 2: me any record book that actually has this record anywhere,

2124
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:22,280
Speaker 2: and there is no such record, but it's manufacturers all good.

2125
01:54:22,360 --> 01:54:25,080
Speaker 1: Are you saying hang on, hang on like like Bronni

2126
01:54:25,240 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 1: James Monty. Are you saying Caitlin Clark too should join

2127
01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:29,640
Speaker 1: the NBA?

2128
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 6: Is that mean like I feel that we will eventually

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Speaker 6: see a woman play in the NBA.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I feel like that will happen.

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Speaker 2: You you do know that people have Who was it

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01:54:40,240 --> 01:54:42,960
Speaker 2: was that Clay Travis? What do you offered a million

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Speaker 2: dollars for a top high school boys team to play

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Speaker 2: the w NBA Champions and see if the WB Vegas

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Speaker 2: could beat a top level high school boys team. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and they didn't take him up on it.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean the way NBA is going where you

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01:55:02,120 --> 01:55:04,240
Speaker 6: don't even play defense anymore? Come on, Bellas, there's gonna

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Speaker 6: be a lady shooting threes there real soon.

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Speaker 5: You don't even play defense anymore. It's not even physical anymore.

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Speaker 1: I mean that I won't disagree with that. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of teams that like they legitimately open the gate

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Speaker 1: and give a lane to the basket because the thought

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01:55:19,040 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 1: process is the sooner they score, the sooner we can

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Speaker 1: get the the or sooner they score two points, the

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Speaker 1: sooner we could get the ball back and go score

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Speaker 1: three points on the opposite side of the fall.

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you very quickly? I mean, the conversation

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01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:33,840
Speaker 2: is going to be more ridiculous by the second. I'll

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Speaker 2: just add to that. But if you would like to say,

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Speaker 2: like a top level w NBA start to get an

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01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:42,320
Speaker 2: opportunity to play in the NBA, would you afford the

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01:55:42,360 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 2: same opportunity for an NBA player to play in the

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Speaker 2: w NBA.

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Speaker 5: That's an interesting That is an interesting question.

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Speaker 2: Let's say you're sitting at the end of the bench

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01:55:52,120 --> 01:55:54,400
Speaker 2: on an NBA team and you say, you know what,

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01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 2: I really want to play in the w NBA. Can

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Speaker 2: I do that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we're breaking down barriers up. Okay, I say,

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Speaker 1: why not, I say, why not?

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01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:07,280
Speaker 2: And then our guy comes in and all of a sudden,

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01:56:07,280 --> 01:56:10,160
Speaker 2: he was an ordinary player in the NBA and he's

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01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 2: like scoring forty points a night in the WNBA. Would

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Speaker 2: you have a problem with that?

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Speaker 1: You don't know until you try. This reminds me of

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01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:20,360
Speaker 1: This reminds me of my first time having sushi. I

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01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:22,960
Speaker 1: told people I didn't like it, I had never tried it.

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01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:25,320
Speaker 1: And then guess what, Steve, Now I love it.

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Speaker 2: I've seen you down it like there's no tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: On the other side, at some point, I want to

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Speaker 2: get to this draft and what has changed in terms

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Speaker 2: of trying to evaluate quarterbacks and their future in the

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Speaker 2: Shield League. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvin and

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Speaker 2: Rich Harberger, Fox Sports Sunday Live from the tai Iraq

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Speaker 2: dot Com studios. All right, this show's con completely sideways,

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Speaker 2: but that's okay, just having some fun kicking around some ideas.

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Speaker 2: I did want to get toe into this upcoming NFL draft,

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01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:04,840
Speaker 2: specific quarterbacks and why it's becoming more and more of

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01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:10,080
Speaker 2: a challenge to evaluate talent and part of the job

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Speaker 2: of an NFL scout, general manager, coach and evaluating talent

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01:57:14,440 --> 01:57:16,880
Speaker 2: is not where they are now, it's where they're going

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Speaker 2: to be two, three, four, five years down the road.

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Speaker 2: In other words, what is their ceiling potential? And so

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Speaker 2: we have all these quarterbacks. You had Michael Pennix junior,

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Speaker 2: who played at Indiana for four years than two at Washington.

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Speaker 2: You had Boat Nicks who was at Auburn for three

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Speaker 2: years and then two at Oregon. You had Jaden Daniels

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Speaker 2: who was at Arizona State for three years and then

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Speaker 2: two years at LSU. Let me throw you another name,

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Speaker 2: Spencer Rattler. He was at Oklahoma for three years and

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Speaker 2: then two years at South Carolina. So you look at

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Speaker 2: these quarterbacks that have just this wealth of experience at

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Speaker 2: the collegiate level, and then the question becomes have they

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Speaker 2: already reached their peak? I mean, they've had such an

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Speaker 2: extended stay at the college level, and these guys have

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Speaker 2: progressed over that period of time, have gotten better. But

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Speaker 2: trying to say, all right, five years of college, six

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Speaker 2: years of college, they're here, now, let's go five more

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Speaker 2: years down the road in the NFL, where are they?

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Speaker 2: I think that is really difficult to try to figure out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Look, here's the thing about the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: It is inarguably the most difficult position in all of

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Speaker 1: sports to try to project at the next level because

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01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:47,720
Speaker 1: it's just such an inaccurate science. How guys are going

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Speaker 1: to handle the pressure at the next level, how guys

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01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:51,840
Speaker 1: are going to handle the playbook at the next level.

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Speaker 1: The teams and the coaches that they're exposed to has

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Speaker 1: a big impact on how successful they're going to be

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Speaker 1: early in their career. System fit all of those things,

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Speaker 1: you know, the creativity of the coaching staff, of the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, the quarterback coach who works the works with

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Speaker 1: the player on a daily basis. All that stuff factors in.

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Speaker 1: And so yeah, like you said, sometimes it's talent over experience,

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Speaker 1: and talent wins. Sometimes in the case of like a

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Speaker 1: Brock Purty out of Iowa State, who is a four

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Speaker 1: year starter, it's experience over talent, and experience wins. Because

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Speaker 1: I don't think you put him in the conversation as

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Speaker 1: one of the most talented quarterbacks in the NFL, but

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Speaker 1: you certainly put him in the conversation as one of

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Speaker 1: the most experienced college athletes who entered the NFL and

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Speaker 1: had success based on how he could handle a system

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Speaker 1: and make throws when he needed to, and he was

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Speaker 1: a clutch player the whole way for San Francisco throughout

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Speaker 1: the course of his time as a starter. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's buddy. We're getting into that time where a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams are going to make a lot of great

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Speaker 1: decisions and a lot of teams are going to make

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Speaker 1: a lot of poor decisions, and there's almost no way

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Speaker 1: to help them because it is the most difficult, like

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Speaker 1: I said, in all of sports, the most difficult decision to.

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Speaker 2: Make, it is and I remember, going all the way

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Speaker 2: back to the Peyton Manning versus Ryan Leaf. The going

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Speaker 2: into the draft, people said, because Manny had been a

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Speaker 2: four year started Tennessee, short term, he's the right guy.

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Speaker 2: But if you're looking at long term potential, Ryan Leaf

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Speaker 2: has more. That was the argument in that draft. The

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Speaker 2: Colts made the right decision, the Chargers did not. All right,

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Speaker 2: we roll on. We got a lot more NBA news

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Speaker 2: coming up. This is Fox Sports Sunday, rolling along here

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Speaker 2: tire buying should be. Hey, one quick note, Rich, because

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Speaker 2: you and I both live in the state of Calia.

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Speaker 2: So on Tuesday, they're having the primary election, which I

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Speaker 2: think less than ten percent of registered voters are actually

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Speaker 2: expected to participate in. You know, we'll be there in November, right,

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Speaker 2: That's usually the case. But the reason I mentioned this

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Speaker 2: is there is a very prominent sports name that's going

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Speaker 2: to do something that no one could possibly have envisioned.

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Speaker 2: And that is one of my favorite people in sports.

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Speaker 2: I've known him since he played for the Dodgers. He

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Speaker 2: played for the San Diego Padres, and that's Steve Garvey,

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Speaker 2: someone you and I have interviewed over the years. Steve Garvey,

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Speaker 2: who is now seventy five years old and played his

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Speaker 2: last game with the Podres in nineteen eighty seven, threw

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Speaker 2: his name into the ring for the United States Senate.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I mean, it's all right, that's sort

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Speaker 2: of weird. Seventy five year old Steve Garvey running for

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Speaker 2: the Senate. He was at one percent of the vote,

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Speaker 2: two percent whatever. Well, on Tuesday, he's actually expect to

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Speaker 2: come out on top. And why this is happening is

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Speaker 2: and by the way, he hasn't spent one dime out

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Speaker 2: of his own pocket on advertising, not one cent. But

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Speaker 2: you and I see his picture on TV constantly, and

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Speaker 2: that's because Adam Schiff has played the game. Adam shift course,

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Speaker 2: a longtime congressman from the Bay Area, is running for

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Speaker 2: the Senate, and he calculated that if I can identify

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Speaker 2: him as the biggest threat to our democracy, then I

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Speaker 2: could get the people that believe in that side of

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Speaker 2: the aisle politically to back him up. And the top

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Speaker 2: two vot getters have a face off in what is

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Speaker 2: a one party state, which is the state of California.

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Speaker 2: And his other rivals have been very upset about this,

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Speaker 2: but it was brilliant. And so here's Steve Garvey who

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Speaker 2: just basically sitting. He hasn't been out on the road,

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Speaker 2: he's not doing any campaign, he's not anything. He'll actually

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Speaker 2: win on Tuesday. Now the general election, it will be

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Speaker 2: a much different story. But welcome to the world of politics.

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Speaker 2: I would love to hear an interview with him, like

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Speaker 2: any reaction to this, but it's it's just amazing to

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Speaker 2: me that this is going to happen on Tuesday, and

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Speaker 2: really one of the great baseball legends in the state

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Speaker 2: of California, both the Dodgers and the Podres Steve Garvey.

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Speaker 2: But I just find it interesting having known him for Wow,

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Speaker 2: I've known it for over forty years. For this to

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Speaker 2: happen at this point, it's almost comical. But it's politics.

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Speaker 2: It's how the game's played.

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Speaker 1: It's how the game's played. And I mean, look, they

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Speaker 1: they're all aware of the the whatever you want to

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Speaker 1: call it, the game they signed up for. Yeah, you know, politicians,

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Speaker 1: it's a popularity contest. It's written into law. If you

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Speaker 1: are a popular candidate, you will want win office outside

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Speaker 1: of the general with the electoral College. Just how this works.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a democratic voting system. And this is

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Speaker 1: and look, you know, to sports show. So to spin

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Speaker 1: it back toward where these beginnings came for Steve Garvey, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was as a Dodger champion. It's as somebody who

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Speaker 1: you know, really riveted fans for years and rose to

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Speaker 1: acclaim and had moments that saved seasons and we'll be

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Speaker 1: forever remembered for that. And then you can obviously parlay

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Speaker 1: theme into any direction you'd like to do it if

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Speaker 1: you do it well enough. And he did it in

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Speaker 1: this case, at least for the primary sake, well enough

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Speaker 1: to win a seat, you know, a seat at the

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Speaker 1: table to be voted upon for office.

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Speaker 2: So without any effort on his own part. I mean, basically,

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Speaker 2: he was manufactured by an opposing candidate who feels like,

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Speaker 2: that's my best opportunity to win in November if I'm

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Speaker 2: faced off against that guy. And so with Garvey doing nothing,

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Speaker 2: somehow he got propelled all the way into the situation.

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Speaker 2: So this is is gonna be a national story obviously

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Speaker 2: because it's California and everyone's going to say, wow, Steve

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Speaker 2: Garvey is in the final too. He's running for the

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Speaker 2: United States Senate. But it really had nothing to do

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Speaker 2: with Garvey. It had to do with an opponent that

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Speaker 2: wanted to elevate Garvey and it and it worked.

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Speaker 1: So and also think of it is very crazy. Think

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Speaker 1: of it from this standpoint. Also, I look, we obviously

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Speaker 1: have had a celebrity in the Oval office recently. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think it's not going to be the last.

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan was an actor. Ronald Reagan was an actor,

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Speaker 2: it became a politics.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't exactly it wasn't the first and won't be

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Speaker 1: the last. Like we're going to this is and and

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Speaker 1: there have been people who have actually asked former athletes

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Speaker 1: to run for office. Solute Rady, Peyton Manning has been asked.

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Speaker 2: The Steve Largent was a congressman, the Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: wide receiver for the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Lynn Lynn Swann.

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Speaker 2: Lynn Swan ran for governor of Pennsylvania. Was the nominee

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Speaker 2: for the Republican Party for governor. We see it all

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Speaker 2: the time. We see it all the time. Heck, we

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Speaker 2: had doctor Oz running for the Senate, you know. So No,

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Speaker 2: there's no rhyme or reason into your background or who

2340
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:08,800
Speaker 2: you are or where you came from to run for

2341
02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:12,000
Speaker 2: political office. I think that's the beauty of our political

2342
02:06:12,040 --> 02:06:17,000
Speaker 2: system is that anybody can do it. Anybody, literally, anybody.

2343
02:06:16,680 --> 02:06:19,600
Speaker 1: Who's I'm blanking on the name, But who's the football

2344
02:06:19,640 --> 02:06:21,720
Speaker 1: coach who won office in the South?

2345
02:06:21,960 --> 02:06:25,400
Speaker 2: Well, Tommy Turberville. He's a senator in Alabama. He was

2346
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:30,280
Speaker 2: the coach at Auburn football coach Tommy Tuberville. Tuberville, Uh yeah,

2347
02:06:30,360 --> 02:06:32,640
Speaker 2: I mean he was a coach of college football coach

2348
02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:35,200
Speaker 2: and now he's the United States Center. Jim Bunny was

2349
02:06:35,200 --> 02:06:38,640
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame pitcher. He became a senator. Tom

2350
02:06:38,640 --> 02:06:42,080
Speaker 2: Osborne the Nebraska coach, he became a congressman. I mean

2351
02:06:42,120 --> 02:06:43,000
Speaker 2: anybody can do it.

2352
02:06:43,080 --> 02:06:49,240
Speaker 1: Which is Jesse the body Ventura, governor of Minnesota, Governor

2353
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Speaker 1: of Minnesota, Governor of Minnesota.

2354
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean it's.

2355
02:06:54,280 --> 02:06:58,680
Speaker 1: You know, ran for office. I think, when are you?

2356
02:06:58,760 --> 02:07:00,840
Speaker 2: When are you announcing you candidacy?

2357
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:01,200
Speaker 1: Rich?

2358
02:07:01,280 --> 02:07:04,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you would be such a popular candidate. I mean,

2359
02:07:04,400 --> 02:07:06,880
Speaker 2: I just everyone loves you. And I mean it's like, well.

2360
02:07:06,760 --> 02:07:10,400
Speaker 1: Because common sense, guy, I run on morals.

2361
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:13,760
Speaker 2: But can you be bought? We had Arnold Schwarzenegger as

2362
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:19,400
Speaker 2: our government absolutely our governor, the governa.

2363
02:07:20,240 --> 02:07:23,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can be bought. And it's not gonna I'll

2364
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 1: tell you date as it turns out. You know, you

2365
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:29,480
Speaker 1: can really knock my socks off with a you know,

2366
02:07:29,520 --> 02:07:32,120
Speaker 1: a couple of cheeseburgers, maybe a nice cold beer.

2367
02:07:32,400 --> 02:07:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2368
02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:33,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2369
02:07:33,320 --> 02:07:37,360
Speaker 2: So anyway, Steve, look for the name Steve Garvey to

2370
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:41,600
Speaker 2: hit the news on Tuesday. It'll be pretty unbelievable. Ah,

2371
02:07:41,640 --> 02:07:43,800
Speaker 2: But that's the way it is in the world. Of politics.

2372
02:07:43,800 --> 02:07:45,760
Speaker 2: All right, I want to get to a little NBA

2373
02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:49,120
Speaker 2: right now. So we're coming down the stretch, by the way, Rich.

2374
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:52,280
Speaker 2: On Wednesday, this past Wednesday, my son Garrett, who you

2375
02:07:52,280 --> 02:07:55,200
Speaker 2: know is a diehard Lakers fan, went to the Lakers

2376
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:58,760
Speaker 2: Clippers game and he had a friend of his. It

2377
02:07:58,760 --> 02:08:02,760
Speaker 2: was a Clippers home game, and I was home with

2378
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:05,360
Speaker 2: his brother, Drake, and we were sort of monitoring the

2379
02:08:05,360 --> 02:08:07,080
Speaker 2: game and it was not going well for the Lakers.

2380
02:08:07,080 --> 02:08:09,920
Speaker 2: They were down nineteen to start the fourth quarter. It

2381
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:12,840
Speaker 2: quickly became twenty one. I had turned off the game.

2382
02:08:12,960 --> 02:08:14,440
Speaker 2: We're watching a movie, and then all of a sudden,

2383
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:17,000
Speaker 2: I look at my phone. I go wow, the Lakers

2384
02:08:17,000 --> 02:08:20,000
Speaker 2: have cut the lead of five, and I turned off

2385
02:08:20,040 --> 02:08:21,760
Speaker 2: the phone. I look back at the movie. I come

2386
02:08:21,800 --> 02:08:24,000
Speaker 2: back and the Lakers win the game. It was the

2387
02:08:24,040 --> 02:08:29,040
Speaker 2: biggest fourth quarter comeback of Lebron James's twenty one year

2388
02:08:29,200 --> 02:08:32,440
Speaker 2: NBA career. And a few hours later he comes Garrett

2389
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:33,480
Speaker 2: bursting through the door.

2390
02:08:33,960 --> 02:08:35,240
Speaker 1: He saw the greatest game.

2391
02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:41,240
Speaker 2: I get excited when a kid has that experience. But

2392
02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:44,760
Speaker 2: as far as the NBA is concerned, Rich, you know,

2393
02:08:44,760 --> 02:08:46,720
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the league right now. We got about

2394
02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:50,120
Speaker 2: twenty games left in the regular season and then we

2395
02:08:50,160 --> 02:08:53,720
Speaker 2: get to the endless playoffs. Now, you and I remember

2396
02:08:53,960 --> 02:08:57,440
Speaker 2: the days of the Warriors and Lebron. I wouldn't even

2397
02:08:57,440 --> 02:09:01,120
Speaker 2: say Cavaliers. It was Lebron versus the Warriors, and it

2398
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:04,640
Speaker 2: happened four straight years. It was inevitable all four of

2399
02:09:04,640 --> 02:09:07,520
Speaker 2: those years, Like there was no real suspense, Like everything

2400
02:09:07,560 --> 02:09:09,200
Speaker 2: that led up to that was just like, can we

2401
02:09:09,240 --> 02:09:11,320
Speaker 2: get through these rounds so we can get to that,

2402
02:09:11,800 --> 02:09:15,800
Speaker 2: And those NBA Finals put up big numbers. Now this

2403
02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:25,040
Speaker 2: is pre obviously COVID shutdown. Do you think this league?

2404
02:09:25,720 --> 02:09:28,680
Speaker 2: I mean, we're getting a revolving door of winners.

2405
02:09:28,760 --> 02:09:29,000
Speaker 1: Now.

2406
02:09:29,080 --> 02:09:31,600
Speaker 2: You know, we had the Lakers, and you had the Bucks,

2407
02:09:32,960 --> 02:09:36,960
Speaker 2: you had Golden State come back for some that in

2408
02:09:37,000 --> 02:09:39,520
Speaker 2: retrospect was in a miracle run that the Warriors were

2409
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:43,280
Speaker 2: able to somehow regain their magic and get another title

2410
02:09:43,320 --> 02:09:45,640
Speaker 2: in and then, of course last year, the Denver Nuggets.

2411
02:09:46,280 --> 02:09:50,400
Speaker 2: Would it be better for the NBA when this season

2412
02:09:50,520 --> 02:09:53,880
Speaker 2: ends with the Nuggets being crowned back to back champions

2413
02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:59,560
Speaker 2: as opposed to another team like Minnesota or OKC or

2414
02:09:59,600 --> 02:10:04,840
Speaker 2: even Boston emerging as an NBA champion, Would it be

2415
02:10:04,840 --> 02:10:09,760
Speaker 2: better for the League moving forward, if Milwaukee made it, well,

2416
02:10:09,840 --> 02:10:12,760
Speaker 2: if Milwaukee won the I mean, is it better to

2417
02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:15,440
Speaker 2: have a repeat champion like Denver in.

2418
02:10:15,480 --> 02:10:16,560
Speaker 1: Terms of gotcha?

2419
02:10:16,640 --> 02:10:20,200
Speaker 2: Gotcha as opposed to another team coming out of nowhere,

2420
02:10:20,280 --> 02:10:22,280
Speaker 2: Like let's say, I mean, right now, the number one

2421
02:10:22,280 --> 02:10:24,440
Speaker 2: scene in the West is the Minnesota Timberwolves.

2422
02:10:25,280 --> 02:10:29,240
Speaker 1: I get it. Here's the reality that people do not

2423
02:10:29,520 --> 02:10:34,360
Speaker 1: like to face. Sports are star driven. And even though

2424
02:10:34,400 --> 02:10:37,560
Speaker 1: everybody is starting to turn on the Kansas City Chiefs

2425
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:43,280
Speaker 1: because they're dynastic run now in these twenty twenties with

2426
02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:48,520
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and Andy Reid, people love

2427
02:10:48,600 --> 02:10:50,880
Speaker 1: to root against them or love to root for them.

2428
02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:55,320
Speaker 1: It becomes polarizing. It becomes more fun when things are polarized.

2429
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:58,840
Speaker 1: When it doesn't matter. We were just talking about transitioning

2430
02:10:58,880 --> 02:11:00,760
Speaker 1: to politics, and there's a lot lot of mixed feelings

2431
02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:03,440
Speaker 1: about politics. There are a lot of mixed feelings about

2432
02:11:03,480 --> 02:11:06,400
Speaker 1: sports too. But at the end of the day, everybody

2433
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:10,840
Speaker 1: overall agrees that sports don't really matter. The outcomes of

2434
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:13,960
Speaker 1: these games don't really matter. This is a hobby of ours.

2435
02:11:14,040 --> 02:11:16,960
Speaker 1: This is something we do for fun. So, you know,

2436
02:11:17,160 --> 02:11:20,480
Speaker 1: just like losing, you know, in a pickup tennis game

2437
02:11:20,720 --> 02:11:22,840
Speaker 1: to your your buddy who's a little bit of a

2438
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:25,360
Speaker 1: trash talker. Yeah, you're gonna hear it for a week,

2439
02:11:25,480 --> 02:11:27,240
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to wait till the next time

2440
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:29,800
Speaker 1: you get out to the country club or pick up

2441
02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:33,920
Speaker 1: basketball with a coworker. You know. Yeah, it's gonna annoy

2442
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:35,920
Speaker 1: you if you lose, But it's not everything to you.

2443
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:38,640
Speaker 1: It's not like losing your job. It's not like your

2444
02:11:38,720 --> 02:11:43,480
Speaker 1: candidate losing a race politically speaking, So I think we

2445
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:46,360
Speaker 1: all put it into the appropriate box. But it still

2446
02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:50,120
Speaker 1: does polarize us. We still do feel passionate about it.

2447
02:11:50,160 --> 02:11:53,480
Speaker 1: We still do want our champions to remain champions or

2448
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:57,720
Speaker 1: are foes to be diminished somehow. And so the Golden

2449
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:02,720
Speaker 1: State Warriors, or the Lebron Lakers, or the Tatum and

2450
02:12:02,760 --> 02:12:07,080
Speaker 1: Brown led Celtics, like you want to have the stars

2451
02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:10,200
Speaker 1: in the big markets, if you're a league, have success

2452
02:12:10,280 --> 02:12:15,440
Speaker 1: because it drives people to television sets, it drives polarization,

2453
02:12:15,600 --> 02:12:20,440
Speaker 1: and polarization increases ratings. And whether anybody disagrees with me

2454
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:22,960
Speaker 1: or not, whether you believe in it or not, the

2455
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:25,480
Speaker 1: numbers bear out that that works best for all of

2456
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:26,040
Speaker 1: these leagues.

2457
02:12:26,120 --> 02:12:28,360
Speaker 2: And by the way, sometimes a team comes along out

2458
02:12:28,400 --> 02:12:30,640
Speaker 2: of the blue. Let's go back to the Golden State Warriors,

2459
02:12:30,640 --> 02:12:32,480
Speaker 2: and they were sort of like warm and fuzzy, and

2460
02:12:32,520 --> 02:12:35,760
Speaker 2: they were cute and people were totally into them. Didn't

2461
02:12:35,800 --> 02:12:37,920
Speaker 2: let it take long for people to turn against them.

2462
02:12:38,160 --> 02:12:40,560
Speaker 2: Same thing else happening with the Kansas City Chiefs, Like

2463
02:12:40,600 --> 02:12:42,120
Speaker 2: you know, they're a warm and fuzzy and they're not

2464
02:12:42,280 --> 02:12:45,560
Speaker 2: led anymore the Patriots, you know, in the beginning, Tom

2465
02:12:45,560 --> 02:12:47,320
Speaker 2: Bardy warton, No, no, so.

2466
02:12:47,520 --> 02:12:51,360
Speaker 12: The Nuggets secrets for were lifetime losers, but exactly, and

2467
02:12:51,400 --> 02:12:53,680
Speaker 12: so it was a great story. I think I still

2468
02:12:53,680 --> 02:12:55,200
Speaker 12: think the Nuggets are the team to be. I was

2469
02:12:55,240 --> 02:12:57,960
Speaker 12: watching them last night against the Lakers when they want

2470
02:12:58,000 --> 02:13:01,120
Speaker 12: to play. I mean, Jokic is just I mean, he's

2471
02:13:01,160 --> 02:13:04,160
Speaker 12: just unfreaking real how dominant he can be.

2472
02:13:04,200 --> 02:13:05,920
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna switch gears. Coming up on the

2473
02:13:05,920 --> 02:13:08,440
Speaker 2: other side, we're gonna get a little baseball talk, and

2474
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:11,320
Speaker 2: we're well into spring training right now, and our Fox

2475
02:13:11,360 --> 02:13:15,520
Speaker 2: Sports Radio MLB insider John Paul Morosi will join us.

2476
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:19,160
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday. Steve Harvey, Rich Arnberger here,

2477
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:22,200
Speaker 2: this is Fox Sports Sunday, and we are live from

2478
02:13:22,280 --> 02:13:25,320
Speaker 2: the tai Iraq dot Com studios. Well, this is the

2479
02:13:25,400 --> 02:13:28,480
Speaker 2: highlight of our sundays, without question, when we get an

2480
02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:31,920
Speaker 2: opportunity to talk with one of the giants in the industry,

2481
02:13:31,960 --> 02:13:34,720
Speaker 2: a man that wears so many different hats but graces

2482
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:38,880
Speaker 2: us every single Sunday with his inside thoughts on Major

2483
02:13:38,960 --> 02:13:42,720
Speaker 2: League Baseball. Our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider John Paul

2484
02:13:42,840 --> 02:13:45,560
Speaker 2: Morosi is joining us right now.

2485
02:13:45,720 --> 02:13:46,000
Speaker 1: JP.

2486
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:49,240
Speaker 2: Where are you today? I mean, we You're everywhere, so

2487
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:51,440
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out are you hanging out in

2488
02:13:51,480 --> 02:13:54,000
Speaker 2: spring training? Are you home? Where are you today?

2489
02:13:54,320 --> 02:13:57,920
Speaker 8: Steven Rich, Good afternoon. I am home at the moment,

2490
02:13:58,080 --> 02:14:02,400
Speaker 8: but eagerly preparing for my journey in a couple weeks,

2491
02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:05,600
Speaker 8: time to cover the Dodgers and Padres in Soeoul, South

2492
02:14:05,720 --> 02:14:09,080
Speaker 8: Korea for the Soul Series. So I am yes, watching

2493
02:14:09,200 --> 02:14:13,520
Speaker 8: very closely today the Dodgers and Rockies playing and shoey

2494
02:14:13,560 --> 02:14:17,680
Speaker 8: Otani and RBI triple off the wall. That ball is

2495
02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:21,000
Speaker 8: still rattling around somewhere. It was a Titanic shot, So

2496
02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:24,360
Speaker 8: he is, I believe, living up to the billing early

2497
02:14:24,400 --> 02:14:26,000
Speaker 8: on in Dodgers camp this spring.

2498
02:14:26,080 --> 02:14:28,480
Speaker 2: All right, I want to follow up quickly here on

2499
02:14:28,640 --> 02:14:31,840
Speaker 2: someone that I think at least this season is going

2500
02:14:31,880 --> 02:14:34,879
Speaker 2: to be far more important as far as the Dodger success,

2501
02:14:34,920 --> 02:14:39,120
Speaker 2: and that's Yamamoto. The picture that if you don't again

2502
02:14:39,200 --> 02:14:41,280
Speaker 2: know what he did in Japan, he not only won

2503
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:45,000
Speaker 2: three consecutive the equivalent of Cy Young Awards, he also

2504
02:14:45,080 --> 02:14:48,000
Speaker 2: was the MVP. Imagine a major league pitcher in three

2505
02:14:48,080 --> 02:14:51,840
Speaker 2: consecutive years, winning both Cy Young Award and MVP. That's

2506
02:14:51,880 --> 02:14:55,280
Speaker 2: what Yamamoto did. This guy was a converted bullpen guy.

2507
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:58,760
Speaker 2: Not the biggest in stature, but with just filthy stuff.

2508
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:00,400
Speaker 2: I saw him the other day with the Dog Rodgers.

2509
02:15:00,960 --> 02:15:04,600
Speaker 2: It was unreal. I mean, I think he threw nineteen pitches,

2510
02:15:04,640 --> 02:15:08,680
Speaker 2: sixteen strikes. He was getting check swings all over the place.

2511
02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:12,160
Speaker 2: What's your projected? I mean, he's already the highest paid

2512
02:15:12,200 --> 02:15:16,200
Speaker 2: pitcher in baseball. Is this guy? Is it possible that

2513
02:15:16,280 --> 02:15:19,160
Speaker 2: he could even exceed expectations?

2514
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:23,960
Speaker 8: I think it is. He's being paid like Garrett Cole

2515
02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:27,400
Speaker 8: despite obviously to this point not throwing an inning in

2516
02:15:27,440 --> 02:15:30,720
Speaker 8: the major leagues in the regular season. And there's a

2517
02:15:30,720 --> 02:15:33,000
Speaker 8: reason why is because he's only twenty five years of

2518
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:36,400
Speaker 8: age and he's already shown at the highest levels of

2519
02:15:36,440 --> 02:15:40,120
Speaker 8: international baseball, and that includes the World Baseball Classic, high

2520
02:15:40,240 --> 02:15:43,880
Speaker 8: level international tournaments. That he is the elite of the

2521
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:48,280
Speaker 8: elite in global baseball. And again you think about the

2522
02:15:48,920 --> 02:15:53,560
Speaker 8: trajectory and the path of so many notable pitchers who

2523
02:15:53,560 --> 02:15:58,760
Speaker 8: have come over from Japan, whether it's Otani, Darvish, Dice

2524
02:15:58,840 --> 02:16:03,320
Speaker 8: came out, Touzakakodadeo Nomo, you go down the list and

2525
02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:06,800
Speaker 8: you said it. He has done something in terms of

2526
02:16:06,800 --> 02:16:11,920
Speaker 8: winning the consecutive Salamura Awards and MVPs that no one

2527
02:16:11,960 --> 02:16:16,200
Speaker 8: else had done in Japan for basically sixty years. So

2528
02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:20,520
Speaker 8: when you consider the combination of track record being better

2529
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:23,640
Speaker 8: than other pitchers who have come over and then the

2530
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:28,760
Speaker 8: pure stuff being unique, not just overpowering, but his command

2531
02:16:28,840 --> 02:16:32,560
Speaker 8: ability to manipulate the baseball stands out in just in

2532
02:16:32,640 --> 02:16:35,680
Speaker 8: terms of his pitch making and command, the delivery is unique.

2533
02:16:35,720 --> 02:16:39,360
Speaker 8: The way that he trains is truly singular. Steven Rich

2534
02:16:39,520 --> 02:16:43,480
Speaker 8: he throws javelins, javelins to get ready.

2535
02:16:43,240 --> 02:16:44,160
Speaker 1: For baseball season.

2536
02:16:44,280 --> 02:16:48,879
Speaker 8: So everything about what he does is truly one of one.

2537
02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:52,680
Speaker 8: And so the question of expectations, it certainly it's going

2538
02:16:52,720 --> 02:16:56,280
Speaker 8: to be difficult to exceed expectations based on the amount

2539
02:16:56,280 --> 02:16:59,760
Speaker 8: of money that he's being paid. But I will say this,

2540
02:17:00,400 --> 02:17:03,800
Speaker 8: I expect he'll be an All Star this year. And

2541
02:17:03,800 --> 02:17:06,320
Speaker 8: for me to say that about any rookie pitcher who's

2542
02:17:06,360 --> 02:17:09,600
Speaker 8: twenty five is a strong statement. But that, to me

2543
02:17:09,720 --> 02:17:13,560
Speaker 8: is where the floor is for the season of Yoshinobu

2544
02:17:13,600 --> 02:17:15,480
Speaker 8: Yamamoto in twenty twenty four.

2545
02:17:15,760 --> 02:17:18,680
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, I mean and listen, if there's one thing

2546
02:17:18,720 --> 02:17:22,760
Speaker 1: that we've learned about JP, he's measured with both criticism

2547
02:17:22,879 --> 02:17:26,680
Speaker 1: and praise. So that's significant, JP Morosi joining us Fox

2548
02:17:26,680 --> 02:17:30,760
Speaker 1: Sports Radio. JP. So you mentioned expectation, and I think

2549
02:17:30,800 --> 02:17:34,560
Speaker 1: when we look at baseball overall, it's more regional than

2550
02:17:34,600 --> 02:17:37,400
Speaker 1: most sports. So depending on what coast you live closer to,

2551
02:17:37,800 --> 02:17:39,400
Speaker 1: if you're in the middle of this country, you may

2552
02:17:39,440 --> 02:17:42,200
Speaker 1: have a differing opinion on this. But what team is

2553
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:45,240
Speaker 1: under the most scrutiny to win a championship this year?

2554
02:17:45,640 --> 02:17:47,879
Speaker 1: Is it the Dodgers? It feels like that's the answer,

2555
02:17:47,920 --> 02:17:50,240
Speaker 1: But we're here on the West coast, so who is it?

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02:17:50,280 --> 02:17:53,280
Speaker 8: In your opinion, that's a great question. I do think

2557
02:17:53,320 --> 02:17:57,359
Speaker 8: the Dodgers are facing a high level of scrutiny because

2558
02:17:57,920 --> 02:18:02,040
Speaker 8: they made the two biggest splashes of anybody in baseball

2559
02:18:02,120 --> 02:18:06,240
Speaker 8: this offseason in Otani and Yamamoto. I suppose Juan Soto

2560
02:18:06,320 --> 02:18:09,240
Speaker 8: going to the Yankees is somewhere in that conversation too.

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02:18:09,760 --> 02:18:12,320
Speaker 8: The Yankees are also a team that I think have

2562
02:18:12,440 --> 02:18:14,720
Speaker 8: high expectations. There's a lot of pressure on them to

2563
02:18:14,760 --> 02:18:17,680
Speaker 8: win because it's the one year that they've got Sodo.

2564
02:18:18,160 --> 02:18:22,000
Speaker 8: It's interesting. Maybe I will amend that response a little

2565
02:18:22,040 --> 02:18:25,520
Speaker 8: bit by saying, if the Dodgers don't win the World

2566
02:18:25,560 --> 02:18:28,320
Speaker 8: Series this year, the reaction will be, well, they didn't

2567
02:18:28,320 --> 02:18:31,280
Speaker 8: win the World Series this year, but in twenty five

2568
02:18:31,480 --> 02:18:35,279
Speaker 8: they expect to have Otani and they'll still have Yamamoto.

2569
02:18:35,800 --> 02:18:39,080
Speaker 8: If the Yankees don't win the World Series, the response

2570
02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:42,040
Speaker 8: will be, oh, my gosh, they not only did they

2571
02:18:42,040 --> 02:18:44,680
Speaker 8: not win the World Series, but Juan Soto is now

2572
02:18:44,680 --> 02:18:47,720
Speaker 8: a free agent and they gave up all these pitchers

2573
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:52,000
Speaker 8: to get them. Now what. So I think the Dodgers

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02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:55,440
Speaker 8: faced the greater secrety for the next five to ten years,

2575
02:18:55,480 --> 02:18:57,359
Speaker 8: if you want to look at it over the long sweep,

2576
02:18:57,760 --> 02:19:01,680
Speaker 8: but for this year right now, the Yankees might have

2577
02:19:01,800 --> 02:19:05,560
Speaker 8: even higher expectations or pressure to win. I would also

2578
02:19:05,720 --> 02:19:08,680
Speaker 8: add over the next two years, and certainly this year

2579
02:19:08,720 --> 02:19:11,040
Speaker 8: is a huge part of this. The Toronto Blue Jays

2580
02:19:11,080 --> 02:19:13,840
Speaker 8: actually face a ton of pressure to win because they

2581
02:19:13,840 --> 02:19:17,160
Speaker 8: have only two years left of Vladimir Guerrero Junior and

2582
02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:19,960
Speaker 8: Bobachett before they become free agents, and if this year

2583
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:22,720
Speaker 8: doesn't go well in the first half, a lot of

2584
02:19:22,720 --> 02:19:25,960
Speaker 8: pressure on manager John Schneider, a lot of conversation about

2585
02:19:25,959 --> 02:19:29,160
Speaker 8: potentially moving one of them in the trade deadline if

2586
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:31,959
Speaker 8: the first half does not go well. So there are

2587
02:19:32,040 --> 02:19:35,400
Speaker 8: some teams that face probably higher expectations. I think when

2588
02:19:35,440 --> 02:19:38,000
Speaker 8: we had this conversation a year ago, we said it

2589
02:19:38,040 --> 02:19:41,040
Speaker 8: was the Angels because of Otani, and I think on

2590
02:19:41,040 --> 02:19:42,959
Speaker 8: some level that was born out to be true. They

2591
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:46,000
Speaker 8: made a calculus midway to the season that they probably

2592
02:19:46,040 --> 02:19:48,320
Speaker 8: shouldn't have because they were so leveraged to try to

2593
02:19:48,360 --> 02:19:51,039
Speaker 8: win with Otani on the roster. But I really think

2594
02:19:51,120 --> 02:19:54,080
Speaker 8: right now for twenty twenty four, I'll say the Yankees,

2595
02:19:54,720 --> 02:19:58,080
Speaker 8: but the Dodgers have the greater pressure to win not

2596
02:19:58,240 --> 02:20:01,640
Speaker 8: just one title, but titles over the next decade.

2597
02:20:02,560 --> 02:20:06,640
Speaker 2: I remember a conversation I had with a baseball executive

2598
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:11,039
Speaker 2: years ago. In fact, it was when Kevin Brown left

2599
02:20:11,080 --> 02:20:14,120
Speaker 2: the Padres after the run to the series in ninety

2600
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:17,480
Speaker 2: eight and signed a big deal with the Dodgers. And

2601
02:20:18,360 --> 02:20:21,280
Speaker 2: I'll tell you it was. It was Larry Lakeino and

2602
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:24,520
Speaker 2: he was talking about Scott Boris and he said, you know,

2603
02:20:24,600 --> 02:20:28,320
Speaker 2: this guy is quite an operator because what he does

2604
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:32,920
Speaker 2: he will throw out numbers of what other teams are

2605
02:20:32,959 --> 02:20:37,240
Speaker 2: offering that are lies in order to get his client

2606
02:20:37,360 --> 02:20:41,400
Speaker 2: the biggest contract. And there's nothing wrong with that if

2607
02:20:41,440 --> 02:20:43,360
Speaker 2: you can get away with it. And Scott Borris has

2608
02:20:43,360 --> 02:20:46,560
Speaker 2: been getting away with that with for years, but this

2609
02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:49,959
Speaker 2: year it doesn't seem to be working. The Bellinger deal

2610
02:20:50,120 --> 02:20:53,039
Speaker 2: was a fraction of what I'm sure Cody Bellinger was

2611
02:20:53,120 --> 02:20:55,360
Speaker 2: told he was going to get. And you still have

2612
02:20:55,480 --> 02:20:59,160
Speaker 2: someone like Blake Snell who's not signed right now. And

2613
02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:01,840
Speaker 2: the buzz is that instead of thirty million a year,

2614
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:05,440
Speaker 2: he could get twenty million a year. As Scott Boris

2615
02:21:05,560 --> 02:21:09,160
Speaker 2: lost his fastball, is he as relevant in terms of

2616
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:12,959
Speaker 2: being the guy that can just guarantee max dollars for

2617
02:21:13,000 --> 02:21:15,160
Speaker 2: his clients? Are those days over?

2618
02:21:15,920 --> 02:21:20,920
Speaker 8: He has run into a very ill timed market and

2619
02:21:21,400 --> 02:21:25,440
Speaker 8: he did not have in this In this case, Blake

2620
02:21:25,480 --> 02:21:30,480
Speaker 8: Snell is not Garrett Cole Blake Snell is not others,

2621
02:21:30,640 --> 02:21:32,959
Speaker 8: at least from a resume standpoint. He does not have

2622
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:36,199
Speaker 8: the resume that even the Steven Strasburg had in terms

2623
02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:39,200
Speaker 8: of the willingness of Strasburgh's original team to sign him back.

2624
02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:41,920
Speaker 8: I'm just going back over the history of Boris clients

2625
02:21:41,959 --> 02:21:45,400
Speaker 8: who have been able to make it big. This year,

2626
02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:51,840
Speaker 8: because of the media rights complexities, fewer teams were seriously

2627
02:21:51,920 --> 02:21:56,039
Speaker 8: involved in high dollar players, so that is part of

2628
02:21:56,080 --> 02:21:59,320
Speaker 8: the reason. So there is there were three things that

2629
02:21:59,360 --> 02:22:03,880
Speaker 8: probably were against Scott this offseason. He did not have

2630
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:07,880
Speaker 8: the most famous player on the free agent market, that

2631
02:22:08,240 --> 02:22:11,840
Speaker 8: being Otani, nor did he have the most famous pitcher

2632
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:16,400
Speaker 8: only that being Yamamoto, and the two of them really

2633
02:22:16,440 --> 02:22:19,920
Speaker 8: took up the entire amount of oxygen in November and

2634
02:22:19,959 --> 02:22:24,160
Speaker 8: December among the superstar level of player, so that was

2635
02:22:24,200 --> 02:22:28,000
Speaker 8: a disadvantage. The second part was there were some flaws

2636
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:30,880
Speaker 8: with the guys that he has. Bellinger had one big year,

2637
02:22:30,959 --> 02:22:35,920
Speaker 8: he was non tendered effectively a year previous to that. Snell,

2638
02:22:36,200 --> 02:22:39,400
Speaker 8: for all of his amazing triumphs, also led the league

2639
02:22:39,400 --> 02:22:42,000
Speaker 8: in walks the year ago. There's some concern about that.

2640
02:22:42,160 --> 02:22:45,520
Speaker 8: So he did not have perfect clients. He did not

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02:22:45,680 --> 02:22:48,200
Speaker 8: have an ideal market in terms of the number of

2642
02:22:48,240 --> 02:22:50,880
Speaker 8: teams that were worried about what their revenues would be.

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02:22:51,240 --> 02:22:56,400
Speaker 8: And we can argue if the teams should be really

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02:22:56,440 --> 02:23:00,480
Speaker 8: adjusting their business model based on not knowing their media

2645
02:23:00,480 --> 02:23:03,400
Speaker 8: revenues are from a local stample. We can argue what

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02:23:03,480 --> 02:23:06,039
Speaker 8: owners should do, or we could point out the teams

2647
02:23:06,480 --> 02:23:10,320
Speaker 8: like the Royals or the Phillies who have been aggressive,

2648
02:23:10,320 --> 02:23:12,959
Speaker 8: the Phillies of course signing Aaron Nola. So teams have

2649
02:23:13,000 --> 02:23:17,000
Speaker 8: been able to navigate the uncertainty in ways that have

2650
02:23:17,040 --> 02:23:20,840
Speaker 8: allowed them to transcend the frictional issues that exist right

2651
02:23:20,879 --> 02:23:23,480
Speaker 8: now in the marketplace. But this, to me was a

2652
02:23:23,560 --> 02:23:26,280
Speaker 8: case of Scott's playbook that's worked for a long time

2653
02:23:26,879 --> 02:23:30,160
Speaker 8: not working. And the reason for that is not that

2654
02:23:30,240 --> 02:23:32,440
Speaker 8: he's lost his staff ball. It's just that this was

2655
02:23:32,480 --> 02:23:35,360
Speaker 8: not a favorable market to try the old playbook. Now,

2656
02:23:35,360 --> 02:23:37,920
Speaker 8: if we're still having this conversation a year ago, and

2657
02:23:38,000 --> 02:23:41,800
Speaker 8: if Juan Soto, after a great year, is signing a

2658
02:23:41,879 --> 02:23:45,320
Speaker 8: three year deal worth twenty five million dollars a year

2659
02:23:45,360 --> 02:23:49,160
Speaker 8: with opt outs because the market wasn't there, then I

2660
02:23:49,240 --> 02:23:51,360
Speaker 8: will say that we've got big issues. But We're not

2661
02:23:51,520 --> 02:23:52,439
Speaker 8: there yet.

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02:23:53,840 --> 02:23:57,520
Speaker 1: One Soto. I remember when he was traded to San Diego,

2663
02:23:58,200 --> 02:24:01,520
Speaker 1: he was being regarded as as the next Ted Williams

2664
02:24:01,520 --> 02:24:06,520
Speaker 1: of baseball. Has any of that, I guess legacy building

2665
02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:09,200
Speaker 1: been affected over the past couple of seasons. Or is

2666
02:24:09,240 --> 02:24:13,200
Speaker 1: he still on pace to have a career that rivals

2667
02:24:13,320 --> 02:24:16,480
Speaker 1: or overtakes that of a legend of the game like

2668
02:24:16,480 --> 02:24:17,360
Speaker 1: a Ted Williams.

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02:24:17,560 --> 02:24:19,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, Richard, It's an interesting question because I still look

2670
02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:23,320
Speaker 8: at Juan Soto as a Hall of Famer in progress.

2671
02:24:23,800 --> 02:24:26,880
Speaker 8: It's not always linear to get there to Cooper's town.

2672
02:24:26,920 --> 02:24:30,120
Speaker 8: There are always years that might be a little disruptions

2673
02:24:30,120 --> 02:24:32,640
Speaker 8: here and there. But I look at him and I

2674
02:24:32,720 --> 02:24:35,720
Speaker 8: still see his knowledge of the strike zone as being

2675
02:24:35,800 --> 02:24:38,720
Speaker 8: And Garrit Cola said this himself, one of the best

2676
02:24:38,920 --> 02:24:42,440
Speaker 8: that we've ever seen in baseball. And when you still

2677
02:24:42,480 --> 02:24:45,720
Speaker 8: have the ability to do damage. And now the guy

2678
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:49,560
Speaker 8: who it's behind you is named Aaron Judge. And where's

2679
02:24:49,640 --> 02:24:52,960
Speaker 8: number ninety nine in the Bronx. His numbers, I believe

2680
02:24:53,000 --> 02:24:55,680
Speaker 8: are going to skyrocket. It would not surprise me in

2681
02:24:55,800 --> 02:25:00,440
Speaker 8: the least if Juan Soto puts up triple cro type

2682
02:25:00,480 --> 02:25:03,920
Speaker 8: numbers this season. I think it's entirely possible. And and

2683
02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:07,600
Speaker 8: as much as we're talking about Otani, I check the

2684
02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:10,120
Speaker 8: numbers at the end of the year. I think there's

2685
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:14,160
Speaker 8: a very real chance that Sodo has a better overall

2686
02:25:14,200 --> 02:25:19,400
Speaker 8: offensive performance than Otani does this season. I'm just telling

2687
02:25:19,440 --> 02:25:22,480
Speaker 8: you because look at the ball park. Look at the

2688
02:25:22,520 --> 02:25:25,440
Speaker 8: ball park, and look at the guy's batting behind him.

2689
02:25:25,680 --> 02:25:28,960
Speaker 8: And if Aaron Judge has a healthy season, and obviously

2690
02:25:29,040 --> 02:25:32,160
Speaker 8: health is the big variable for everybody, but if Juan

2691
02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:36,040
Speaker 8: Soto starts one hundred and forty five games this season

2692
02:25:36,520 --> 02:25:39,600
Speaker 8: with Number ninety nine hitting behind him, he's going to

2693
02:25:39,640 --> 02:25:44,760
Speaker 8: have a special, special year. And whether that's fifty homers,

2694
02:25:45,360 --> 02:25:47,400
Speaker 8: one hundred and twenty runs scored, I don't know what

2695
02:25:47,480 --> 02:25:49,879
Speaker 8: the numbers end up looking like, but he is going

2696
02:25:49,959 --> 02:25:52,520
Speaker 8: to have a season for the ages because the Yankees

2697
02:25:52,560 --> 02:25:56,680
Speaker 8: have not had someone like him as a true left

2698
02:25:56,720 --> 02:26:00,800
Speaker 8: handed wizard with the bat and the prime of his

2699
02:26:00,840 --> 02:26:04,240
Speaker 8: career for a long long time.

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02:26:04,440 --> 02:26:06,440
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, they haven't.

2701
02:26:06,680 --> 02:26:09,760
Speaker 2: No, they haven't. There's and I'm trying to rack my brain.

2702
02:26:09,800 --> 02:26:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, where's Joe Peppintone when you need him? It's

2703
02:26:12,120 --> 02:26:15,800
Speaker 2: been a long time for the Yankees. Uh Okay, well,

2704
02:26:15,800 --> 02:26:17,680
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, JP. I know you're resting up

2705
02:26:17,720 --> 02:26:19,440
Speaker 2: for your big trip in a couple of weeks. We

2706
02:26:19,520 --> 02:26:22,560
Speaker 2: expect to get more from you next week. We always

2707
02:26:22,600 --> 02:26:25,600
Speaker 2: appreciate the time. Just what's our appetite for start of

2708
02:26:25,640 --> 02:26:29,320
Speaker 2: a baseball season that's coming real, real soon. Thanks JP,

2709
02:26:29,920 --> 02:26:30,760
Speaker 2: My pleasure.

2710
02:26:30,440 --> 02:26:32,600
Speaker 8: To my friends. I reported this conversation every week, and

2711
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:35,640
Speaker 8: we'll have to maybe adjust. I'll have to work with

2712
02:26:36,040 --> 02:26:38,960
Speaker 8: the timing on this about what time in Korea I

2713
02:26:39,240 --> 02:26:41,480
Speaker 8: join the show vice versa. I'm gonna have to really

2714
02:26:41,480 --> 02:26:43,800
Speaker 8: get to be an expert about changing time zone, so

2715
02:26:44,200 --> 02:26:45,200
Speaker 8: we'll make that happen too.

2716
02:26:45,360 --> 02:26:48,200
Speaker 2: That'll be unbelievable when you talk to us in the

2717
02:26:48,200 --> 02:26:49,680
Speaker 2: middle of the night. Thank you, JP.

2718
02:26:50,360 --> 02:26:51,320
Speaker 8: Thanks guys all the best.

2719
02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:54,720
Speaker 2: That's John Paul Morosi our Fox Sports Radio MLB inside.

2720
02:26:54,760 --> 02:26:57,000
Speaker 2: That'd be sort of cool, Rich if he joins us

2721
02:26:57,000 --> 02:27:00,440
Speaker 2: from Korea, you know, we'll have to check the you

2722
02:27:00,480 --> 02:27:02,000
Speaker 2: know what time he has to get up for that, but.

2723
02:27:02,440 --> 02:27:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't. We won't drag him out of bed,

2724
02:27:05,440 --> 02:27:07,240
Speaker 1: but we will drag him out of the.

2725
02:27:07,320 --> 02:27:10,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. All right, let's find out what is trending

2726
02:27:10,480 --> 02:27:14,360
Speaker 2: right now, and Monsy's been sitting by, are you I'm

2727
02:27:14,400 --> 02:27:17,800
Speaker 2: really excited about I said this before. I love the

2728
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:20,520
Speaker 2: changes baseball made with the clock a year ago. I

2729
02:27:20,520 --> 02:27:23,960
Speaker 2: mean they cut off on average twenty five minutes per game.

2730
02:27:24,360 --> 02:27:27,600
Speaker 2: I went to a few Dodgers games last day last year,

2731
02:27:27,720 --> 02:27:30,280
Speaker 2: you know, midday games, and they were done in two

2732
02:27:30,320 --> 02:27:32,640
Speaker 2: and a half hours. It was great. So I'm really

2733
02:27:32,680 --> 02:27:34,240
Speaker 2: looking for this baseball season.

2734
02:27:35,720 --> 02:27:39,040
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I think they did a great job.

2735
02:27:40,200 --> 02:27:45,080
Speaker 1: Like thing when you when you take baseball and you

2736
02:27:45,280 --> 02:27:49,720
Speaker 1: make it a faster product, like like almost like NBA games, Mancia,

2737
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:51,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're an NBA fan.

2738
02:27:51,240 --> 02:27:51,560
Speaker 6: I am.

2739
02:27:52,040 --> 02:27:55,760
Speaker 1: It makes it makes it entirely more tolerable because the

2740
02:27:55,800 --> 02:27:58,760
Speaker 1: biggest complaint about baseball is you could be signing up

2741
02:27:58,800 --> 02:28:02,000
Speaker 1: for a two two hour fifteen minute game, or you

2742
02:28:02,000 --> 02:28:04,560
Speaker 1: could be signing up for a four hour, fifteen minute game.

2743
02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:05,680
Speaker 1: You have no idea.

2744
02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:07,560
Speaker 6: It's I know, it doesn't make it a little bit

2745
02:28:07,560 --> 02:28:09,960
Speaker 6: more exciting that way, right, even though here in La

2746
02:28:10,120 --> 02:28:13,200
Speaker 6: it's harsher because my friends would like, come meet me

2747
02:28:13,240 --> 02:28:15,680
Speaker 6: for a Dodger game and they would be like, all right,

2748
02:28:15,720 --> 02:28:18,119
Speaker 6: you know, we'll be about thirty forty five minutes late, and.

2749
02:28:18,080 --> 02:28:19,560
Speaker 5: It's only like one inning.

2750
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:22,360
Speaker 6: Now they're thirty forty five minutes late and it's like

2751
02:28:22,440 --> 02:28:24,879
Speaker 6: inning five, and so now you can't leave if you

2752
02:28:24,879 --> 02:28:26,280
Speaker 6: need to go to the restroom. You better need to

2753
02:28:26,360 --> 02:28:28,120
Speaker 6: use the restroom because you might miss three innings.

2754
02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:30,640
Speaker 2: I would sell. Yeah, I mean it blew me away.

2755
02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:33,039
Speaker 2: The difference was I used to go in the long lines.

2756
02:28:33,080 --> 02:28:36,240
Speaker 2: I miss half an inning. Yeah, yeah, now you've now you.

2757
02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:40,280
Speaker 6: Missed four itna yes, but it makes it exciting, that's true.

2758
02:28:40,480 --> 02:28:43,959
Speaker 6: The NASCAR Cup Series continues from Las Vegas, Fellas. It

2759
02:28:44,040 --> 02:28:47,039
Speaker 6: is still stage one of this race, but Daniez Swats

2760
02:28:47,080 --> 02:28:47,360
Speaker 6: is in.

2761
02:28:47,360 --> 02:28:50,120
Speaker 5: The lead after thirty eight laps.

2762
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:52,039
Speaker 6: But again, it's just stage one, so there's a lot

2763
02:28:52,080 --> 02:28:54,400
Speaker 6: of laps to go, two hundred and something to go,

2764
02:28:54,440 --> 02:28:57,879
Speaker 6: but Daniez Swattas is currently in the lead. In the NBA,

2765
02:28:58,320 --> 02:29:00,880
Speaker 6: my Clippers have taken the lead over the Timberwolves.

2766
02:29:00,879 --> 02:29:01,360
Speaker 5: Forty nine.

2767
02:29:01,480 --> 02:29:04,840
Speaker 6: Forty six is the score at halftime. Kawhi Leonard fifteen

2768
02:29:04,879 --> 02:29:08,560
Speaker 6: points for the Clippers, Anthony Edwards seventeen points four. Minnesota,

2769
02:29:08,720 --> 02:29:11,680
Speaker 6: the best team in the NBA, though, is pulling away

2770
02:29:11,720 --> 02:29:12,640
Speaker 6: from the Warriors.

2771
02:29:12,680 --> 02:29:16,840
Speaker 2: This game is unbelievable. Yeah, I mean, like it looks

2772
02:29:16,879 --> 02:29:18,440
Speaker 2: like a typo the score.

2773
02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:21,160
Speaker 6: It really does, especially because you know the Warriors can score.

2774
02:29:21,920 --> 02:29:24,600
Speaker 6: But no, the Celtics scored forty four points in the

2775
02:29:24,600 --> 02:29:27,720
Speaker 6: first quarter and honestly have never looked back. They are

2776
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:31,920
Speaker 6: on top seventy nine to thirty six fifty seconds least.

2777
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:35,119
Speaker 2: This is in the first half. Rich seventy nine thirty

2778
02:29:35,160 --> 02:29:36,000
Speaker 2: out thirty eight.

2779
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:39,360
Speaker 6: Yeah point Zo Nolan State.

2780
02:29:39,440 --> 02:29:43,080
Speaker 2: I was telling you know, the all time Warriors hater

2781
02:29:43,280 --> 02:29:45,880
Speaker 2: is sitting right across. That's Bo Benson, or our producer,

2782
02:29:45,959 --> 02:29:48,120
Speaker 2: because he's such a Laker guy, and I was telling

2783
02:29:48,160 --> 02:29:50,920
Speaker 2: him that if the Lakers have to play at Golden

2784
02:29:50,959 --> 02:29:53,520
Speaker 2: State in a playing game, the Lakers are going home

2785
02:29:55,160 --> 02:29:58,000
Speaker 2: watching this Warriors team. I told you, I think I'll

2786
02:29:58,040 --> 02:29:59,039
Speaker 2: adjust that thought.

2787
02:29:59,240 --> 02:30:02,560
Speaker 5: I know, right, I was with you on that no defense.

2788
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:05,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know if I would have used the

2789
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:07,840
Speaker 7: term pulling away in this game. I think they probably

2790
02:30:07,879 --> 02:30:09,480
Speaker 7: are like across three state lines.

2791
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:10,000
Speaker 5: Probably.

2792
02:30:10,200 --> 02:30:12,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's just I say pulling away because

2793
02:30:12,920 --> 02:30:15,199
Speaker 6: there's still a whole nother half I'm saying.

2794
02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:17,520
Speaker 2: Here in Maine right now. Well, the South they said

2795
02:30:17,600 --> 02:30:20,720
Speaker 2: just put up eighty in the first half against Golden State.

2796
02:30:20,959 --> 02:30:22,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, it's true.

2797
02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:24,560
Speaker 7: Although I will agree with Steve that I might be

2798
02:30:24,600 --> 02:30:26,680
Speaker 7: a huge Warriors hater because I did see a kid

2799
02:30:26,760 --> 02:30:29,400
Speaker 7: in the stands crying at the score Warriors gear, and

2800
02:30:29,440 --> 02:30:30,520
Speaker 7: I actually laughed about that.

2801
02:30:30,600 --> 02:30:32,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, he did.

2802
02:30:32,120 --> 02:30:32,400
Speaker 1: They did.

2803
02:30:33,080 --> 02:30:35,600
Speaker 2: They flashed some dad and his son decked out and

2804
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:36,440
Speaker 2: Warriors gear.

2805
02:30:36,959 --> 02:30:38,480
Speaker 5: Imagine traveling, Yeah.

2806
02:30:38,600 --> 02:30:41,480
Speaker 2: Imagine the cost of the tickets to go to this game.

2807
02:30:41,640 --> 02:30:44,320
Speaker 6: And oh no, this is it's eighty one points and

2808
02:30:44,360 --> 02:30:46,480
Speaker 6: there's still thirty six seconds left in the first half.

2809
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:50,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, eighty one points for bottle. No bueno. No they're

2810
02:30:50,160 --> 02:30:53,200
Speaker 5: gonna have They may reach two hundred.

2811
02:30:52,320 --> 02:30:53,800
Speaker 2: Eighty two to thirty eight.

2812
02:30:54,040 --> 02:30:56,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, no bueno. Also no bueno for the Mavericks.

2813
02:30:56,920 --> 02:30:58,840
Speaker 6: They lost at home earlier today to the seventy six

2814
02:30:58,920 --> 02:31:01,440
Speaker 6: ers one twenty to one six Luka Doncic, of course,

2815
02:31:01,480 --> 02:31:02,560
Speaker 6: a triple double low.

2816
02:31:02,879 --> 02:31:03,840
Speaker 5: In the lost.

2817
02:31:04,160 --> 02:31:06,760
Speaker 6: Caitlin Clark did drop thirty five points today, became the

2818
02:31:06,800 --> 02:31:09,120
Speaker 6: men and women's all time n cuble A leading score.

2819
02:31:09,160 --> 02:31:10,760
Speaker 5: I'm gonna keep saying it just because I know, but

2820
02:31:10,800 --> 02:31:11,280
Speaker 5: it's not.

2821
02:31:11,400 --> 02:31:12,040
Speaker 1: Men and women.

2822
02:31:12,160 --> 02:31:15,680
Speaker 2: You could say she's the all time leading score in

2823
02:31:15,800 --> 02:31:16,800
Speaker 2: Division one.

2824
02:31:17,080 --> 02:31:18,440
Speaker 5: Women's just leave it like that.

2825
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:20,240
Speaker 2: Well, not just what you could just say if you

2826
02:31:20,240 --> 02:31:22,959
Speaker 2: want to include the man to be like more than

2827
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:26,920
Speaker 2: any collegiate Division one player, okay has scored, I'll.

2828
02:31:26,800 --> 02:31:30,000
Speaker 1: Say I just man all time.

2829
02:31:30,120 --> 02:31:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you could do that.

2830
02:31:32,240 --> 02:31:37,040
Speaker 6: Number six defeated Number two iiO State ninety eight, eighty three.

2831
02:31:37,240 --> 02:31:41,400
Speaker 6: And some sad news that ESPN is reporting journalist Chris

2832
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:44,080
Speaker 6: Mortensen passed away this morning.

2833
02:31:44,160 --> 02:31:45,480
Speaker 5: At the age of seventy two.

2834
02:31:46,120 --> 02:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Wow.

2835
02:31:46,360 --> 02:31:47,280
Speaker 5: Some sad news there.

2836
02:31:49,720 --> 02:31:53,720
Speaker 2: Wow, that is that shakes me. I have a quick

2837
02:31:54,040 --> 02:31:59,000
Speaker 2: more story, long before anybody knew him at ESPN, and

2838
02:31:59,360 --> 02:32:04,000
Speaker 2: you know he had been battline cancer and bravely for

2839
02:32:04,080 --> 02:32:07,960
Speaker 2: a number of years. He had stepped down recently super

2840
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:11,320
Speaker 2: guy by the way, and you know he became a

2841
02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:17,200
Speaker 2: star at ESPN. But in nineteen eighty one, nineteen eighty one,

2842
02:32:17,240 --> 02:32:20,000
Speaker 2: it's the last day of the season for the Dodgers,

2843
02:32:20,680 --> 02:32:24,119
Speaker 2: and I am with my mentor at the time, Bud Forrillo,

2844
02:32:24,280 --> 02:32:26,680
Speaker 2: sitting in the press box at Dodger Staves the last

2845
02:32:26,720 --> 02:32:30,200
Speaker 2: game of the regular season. Mort was a local writer

2846
02:32:30,520 --> 02:32:34,280
Speaker 2: in LA covering Dodger baseball, and he had a vote

2847
02:32:34,320 --> 02:32:38,879
Speaker 2: for Cy Young Award and that was Fernando's Rookie season,

2848
02:32:39,560 --> 02:32:42,160
Speaker 2: so he had of cast his ballot that day. That's

2849
02:32:42,200 --> 02:32:44,720
Speaker 2: the day that they fill out all their ballots the

2850
02:32:44,760 --> 02:32:47,800
Speaker 2: Baseball writers, on the final day of the regular season.

2851
02:32:48,160 --> 02:32:51,360
Speaker 2: So he went to Bud my Mentor to ask him

2852
02:32:51,440 --> 02:32:55,280
Speaker 2: about He was torn between Fernando, who had had the

2853
02:32:55,320 --> 02:32:58,200
Speaker 2: hot start of the season, and Tom Seaver, who was

2854
02:32:58,240 --> 02:33:00,640
Speaker 2: pitching with the Reds that year, who had a hot finish.

2855
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:05,000
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting there anonymously next to but and I

2856
02:33:05,160 --> 02:33:07,360
Speaker 2: chimed in. I didn't know more, but I chimed in,

2857
02:33:07,560 --> 02:33:11,080
Speaker 2: starting to rattle off why I thought Fernando deserved the award.

2858
02:33:12,280 --> 02:33:14,560
Speaker 2: And he looked at me like, well, I don't know

2859
02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:17,320
Speaker 2: who this kid is, but he's making some sense with

2860
02:33:17,400 --> 02:33:20,360
Speaker 2: some of these stats. So he filled out his ballot.

2861
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:23,200
Speaker 2: He had Fernando first, he had sever second. When the

2862
02:33:23,240 --> 02:33:28,360
Speaker 2: award was announced, Fernando won by three votes. Had he

2863
02:33:28,480 --> 02:33:32,120
Speaker 2: reversed his vote, sever would have won by one vote.

2864
02:33:32,360 --> 02:33:32,840
Speaker 1: Wow.

2865
02:33:32,959 --> 02:33:35,520
Speaker 2: Now, I would love to say I take claim to

2866
02:33:35,640 --> 02:33:37,959
Speaker 2: the fact that Fernando to this day is still the

2867
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:40,440
Speaker 2: only rookie pitcher ever to win the Cy Young Award.

2868
02:33:41,000 --> 02:33:43,560
Speaker 2: But it was really Mort's vote. I mean, I gave

2869
02:33:43,640 --> 02:33:46,280
Speaker 2: him a reason why to vote for Fernando, but I

2870
02:33:46,560 --> 02:33:50,560
Speaker 2: will never forget that, And that's a major loss because Mort.

2871
02:33:50,640 --> 02:33:53,199
Speaker 2: You know, when you think of football rich and everything,

2872
02:33:53,280 --> 02:33:56,560
Speaker 2: you know before Schefter, obviously it was Mort and he

2873
02:33:56,640 --> 02:33:59,280
Speaker 2: did it for years. He'd been battling his help the

2874
02:33:59,320 --> 02:34:02,480
Speaker 2: last several years Mort Report and everything else. So that's

2875
02:34:02,600 --> 02:34:04,600
Speaker 2: very sad because it's.

2876
02:34:04,480 --> 02:34:08,960
Speaker 1: You know, there are yeah, I agree, there are losses

2877
02:34:09,200 --> 02:34:14,280
Speaker 1: that they get you in sports. I remember hearing the

2878
02:34:14,320 --> 02:34:17,640
Speaker 1: news for the first time that John Madden had passed away.

2879
02:34:18,440 --> 02:34:22,119
Speaker 1: And when you're talking about a guy who really captured

2880
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:27,039
Speaker 1: a generation of football watches or watchers with his enthusiasm

2881
02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:31,280
Speaker 1: and charisma and his ability to convey football knowledge in

2882
02:34:31,320 --> 02:34:35,880
Speaker 1: a really receivable way, he didn't. He didn't make it pretentious.

2883
02:34:36,040 --> 02:34:38,120
Speaker 1: He made it you know, he could reach you where

2884
02:34:38,200 --> 02:34:41,680
Speaker 1: you are, no matter what part of you know, your

2885
02:34:41,720 --> 02:34:45,080
Speaker 1: your your study of the game, wherever you were at,

2886
02:34:45,160 --> 02:34:49,400
Speaker 1: you understood what John Madden was saying. Mort had a

2887
02:34:49,560 --> 02:34:53,760
Speaker 1: very same vibe to him, like like he was reporting facts,

2888
02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:56,440
Speaker 1: but also he was making it. He was doing it

2889
02:34:56,480 --> 02:34:58,480
Speaker 1: in a way where you didn't feel like you were

2890
02:34:58,520 --> 02:35:02,160
Speaker 1: being spoken down to from from some platform. He wasn't

2891
02:35:02,200 --> 02:35:06,119
Speaker 1: pontificating to the masses like he had, you know, some insight.

2892
02:35:06,280 --> 02:35:08,440
Speaker 1: He was aware of his access and he was trying

2893
02:35:08,440 --> 02:35:11,080
Speaker 1: to convey that information effectively. And he did a wonderful

2894
02:35:11,160 --> 02:35:13,600
Speaker 1: job for many years and was easily one of the

2895
02:35:13,640 --> 02:35:17,959
Speaker 1: more likable personal personalities covering the game of football his

2896
02:35:18,200 --> 02:35:21,440
Speaker 1: entire career. So rest in peace. That is a sad story.

2897
02:35:21,480 --> 02:35:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear it.

2898
02:35:22,600 --> 02:35:25,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just posted just a few days ago about

2899
02:35:25,879 --> 02:35:30,279
Speaker 2: Peter King retiring after forty four years and he posted

2900
02:35:30,320 --> 02:35:33,320
Speaker 2: this less than a week ago on his ex account.

2901
02:35:33,520 --> 02:35:38,000
Speaker 2: So wow, and that that really is something all right?

2902
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:40,120
Speaker 2: Coming up on the other side, Well, take a look

2903
02:35:40,120 --> 02:35:43,279
Speaker 2: ahead of what to expect in this week in sports.

2904
02:35:43,600 --> 02:35:47,880
Speaker 2: This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and Rich Arnberger

2905
02:35:47,959 --> 02:35:50,680
Speaker 2: once again Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the

2906
02:35:50,760 --> 02:35:53,800
Speaker 2: tai iraq dot com studios. Well, if you listen to

2907
02:35:53,840 --> 02:35:57,760
Speaker 2: our show, you know this is not a two person operation.

2908
02:35:58,040 --> 02:36:04,400
Speaker 2: It's well five people on the air. Her moncey correct,

2909
02:36:04,800 --> 02:36:08,920
Speaker 2: who fills many roles here? I didn't ask you are

2910
02:36:08,920 --> 02:36:10,200
Speaker 2: there any cookies left?

2911
02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:13,440
Speaker 5: There is one left? One left, there's one left.

2912
02:36:13,800 --> 02:36:14,680
Speaker 2: You hope you hit it.

2913
02:36:15,520 --> 02:36:16,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's in my car.

2914
02:36:17,400 --> 02:36:18,400
Speaker 2: It's in your.

2915
02:36:20,959 --> 02:36:23,400
Speaker 1: Known to be extremely selfish.

2916
02:36:24,280 --> 02:36:27,280
Speaker 6: Car cookie, I don't want to share my cookies with you.

2917
02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:29,520
Speaker 2: Well, we have Bri here. She had one of these cookies.

2918
02:36:29,480 --> 02:36:32,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to take your cookies, Moncey. There is no

2919
02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:33,760
Speaker 1: question about it.

2920
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:36,879
Speaker 2: As I told you, if he was here, forget it,

2921
02:36:36,920 --> 02:36:39,560
Speaker 2: you would have you would have been finished yesterday. No,

2922
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:42,480
Speaker 2: we had Bri here yesterday, and she said it was

2923
02:36:42,600 --> 02:36:45,160
Speaker 2: literally the most delicious things she'd ever tasted.

2924
02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:48,520
Speaker 5: No, nobody disagreed. It was Patrick mahomes and cookies.

2925
02:36:48,800 --> 02:36:51,160
Speaker 2: That's a lot to say. Bo got nothing yesterday.

2926
02:36:51,600 --> 02:36:53,680
Speaker 5: He was gone here was Yeah.

2927
02:36:54,560 --> 02:36:58,560
Speaker 7: I'm just going to say it. I don't believe brikay.

2928
02:36:58,920 --> 02:37:00,640
Speaker 2: She literally did. I mamons.

2929
02:37:01,360 --> 02:37:02,560
Speaker 7: It's nothing against anybody.

2930
02:37:02,560 --> 02:37:05,960
Speaker 2: But Brice said it was the greatest thing she had

2931
02:37:06,000 --> 02:37:06,600
Speaker 2: ever eaten.

2932
02:37:06,720 --> 02:37:07,640
Speaker 7: I don't trust her ever.

2933
02:37:07,760 --> 02:37:13,640
Speaker 1: Well look look she is a known liar. You no

2934
02:37:13,800 --> 02:37:15,760
Speaker 1: listen and we're all willing to say that.

2935
02:37:15,879 --> 02:37:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we all yeah. And Chris is very understated,

2936
02:37:20,440 --> 02:37:22,440
Speaker 2: so he was never gonna ladd about it. But he

2937
02:37:22,879 --> 02:37:25,600
Speaker 2: I think he enjoyed. Could I say you enjoyed the cookie?

2938
02:37:25,720 --> 02:37:28,040
Speaker 2: I did? I will just I have to do this

2939
02:37:28,120 --> 02:37:29,600
Speaker 2: Jordan Lebron thing in that.

2940
02:37:29,720 --> 02:37:31,560
Speaker 11: I still I can't say it's the best ever because

2941
02:37:31,560 --> 02:37:34,360
Speaker 11: that would take out my mom's cookies, so she might

2942
02:37:34,400 --> 02:37:34,920
Speaker 11: be listening.

2943
02:37:35,000 --> 02:37:36,879
Speaker 7: So do we say that these cookies are stars?

2944
02:37:37,360 --> 02:37:37,920
Speaker 5: Stars?

2945
02:37:37,959 --> 02:37:44,279
Speaker 2: These are stars? There's a certain star level to that. Okay,

2946
02:37:44,280 --> 02:37:46,480
Speaker 2: this is going to be sort of a homework assignment

2947
02:37:46,560 --> 02:37:50,520
Speaker 2: for everyone until next Sunday to really think about this

2948
02:37:50,640 --> 02:37:54,400
Speaker 2: whole star argument. What actually defines a star?

2949
02:37:54,600 --> 02:37:56,560
Speaker 6: I will not be here next Sunday, So that means

2950
02:37:56,560 --> 02:37:58,520
Speaker 6: feed yourselves in the morning.

2951
02:37:58,959 --> 02:38:02,960
Speaker 5: Well, won't we have training at Dodger Stadium?

2952
02:38:03,200 --> 02:38:05,080
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, whoever comes in, they're gonna have a three

2953
02:38:05,080 --> 02:38:07,160
Speaker 7: thousand Brian.

2954
02:38:08,720 --> 02:38:10,800
Speaker 1: No, I want to say, Brian Frimlely could do it,

2955
02:38:11,000 --> 02:38:14,279
Speaker 1: or Monsie like you could just swing by on your way.

2956
02:38:14,280 --> 02:38:16,959
Speaker 5: Don't do that. I'm not swinging by.

2957
02:38:17,080 --> 02:38:18,800
Speaker 2: You're not stadium.

2958
02:38:19,000 --> 02:38:21,800
Speaker 7: Completely opposite ends of where mony going next.

2959
02:38:22,200 --> 02:38:26,240
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, okay, well listen. I mean, gas prices

2960
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:28,959
Speaker 1: have come down, I mean, and her time is value.

2961
02:38:29,000 --> 02:38:30,600
Speaker 1: But also we're going to be hungry.

2962
02:38:30,720 --> 02:38:33,720
Speaker 2: You are everywhere She's Yeah.

2963
02:38:34,200 --> 02:38:36,800
Speaker 7: Also breaking news here. Rich plans on being here next

2964
02:38:36,800 --> 02:38:38,840
Speaker 7: week apparently, so we will be seen.

2965
02:38:38,959 --> 02:38:40,240
Speaker 2: Are you gonna be here Rich next week?

2966
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure. I'm sure of.

2967
02:38:42,680 --> 02:38:47,200
Speaker 2: It right now, because I'll tell you what, if you

2968
02:38:47,680 --> 02:38:49,520
Speaker 2: show up next week, I'll play Monzi's role.

2969
02:38:49,560 --> 02:38:50,360
Speaker 7: I'll play Monzi's role.

2970
02:38:50,360 --> 02:38:53,200
Speaker 2: I'll get I will split the cost on a feast

2971
02:38:53,240 --> 02:38:56,000
Speaker 2: next week, split the cost of Rich if he's actually

2972
02:38:56,080 --> 02:38:56,720
Speaker 2: here next week.

2973
02:38:56,760 --> 02:38:59,040
Speaker 5: But I'm not here gonna split the cost on a feast.

2974
02:38:59,160 --> 02:39:00,320
Speaker 2: Okay, we're not gonna knew that.

2975
02:39:01,040 --> 02:39:03,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we can't control what we can't control mont.

2976
02:39:04,879 --> 02:39:08,680
Speaker 2: Control. First of all, the look the look on Chris's

2977
02:39:08,800 --> 02:39:10,959
Speaker 2: face when she said she would not be here with

2978
02:39:11,040 --> 02:39:14,720
Speaker 2: that breakfast. I mean, you talk about cres falling. He

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Speaker 2: loved in his chair, like like wow, dejection. No one

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Speaker 2: enjoys those bridos more than Chris. I mean fast breakfast, man,

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Speaker 2: he think about fast breakfast. He just suck that fast

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Speaker 2: food breakfast.

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Speaker 1: I mean he almost got choked up when he was

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Speaker 1: saying that. Just now.

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Speaker 2: He was, by the way, on this very somber note

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Speaker 2: of the passinger Chris Mortenson, who passed away today at

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Speaker 2: seventy two. I had to look this up. Do you

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Speaker 2: realize it was eight years ago that he was diagnosed

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Speaker 2: with stage four throat cancer. Whoa eight years ago, more

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Speaker 2: than eight years ago, it came out, and I remember

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Speaker 2: when it was announced, You're like, wow, stage four throat cancer,

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Speaker 2: never smoked and he had eight more years.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: And like I said, unless than a week ago, he

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Speaker 2: was talking about his dear friend Peter King retiring, so

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Speaker 2: you know, very much to the end. So yeah, rest

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Speaker 2: in peace.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm yeah, rest in peace. I'm glad that

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Speaker 1: his family got to spend those days with him. I'm

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Speaker 1: glad we got to spend those years with him, and

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Speaker 1: rest in peace.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Hey, keep it here. This is Fox Sports Radio.