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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to another episode of Wide Open with

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Speaker 1: Ashland Harris. I am here with Clarissa Shields, the one

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Speaker 1: and only incredible boxer who is paving the way for

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Speaker 1: women in your sport in this country. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: You have accomplished so much I cannot wait to dive

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Speaker 1: into it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm excited to see

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Speaker 2: what you want to ask me.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, I am a long time follower of your career.

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Speaker 1: It has been absolutely incredible to see the success and

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Speaker 1: the attention you have brought to such an incredible sport.

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Speaker 1: I said this before you got here. If I could

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Speaker 1: pick any sport as someone who lived a beautiful career

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Speaker 1: in soccer, I would have definitely picked boxing. I mean,

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Speaker 1: first off, you're insanely beautiful, So that just tells me

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Speaker 1: exactly how good you are at your craft, because you

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Speaker 1: ain't getting your face bashed in honey, you look flawless

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Speaker 1: as always.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: But you were the first to do so many things,

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Speaker 1: and I really want to talk about that because being

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Speaker 1: the first is so special, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 1: women in sports. In twenty twelve, you you went to

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Speaker 1: the London Olympics. It was the first time they had

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Speaker 1: women's boxing in the Olympic Games.

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Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, And I can't believe it's been so long ago.

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Speaker 3: You were six Turkey, you was christ That is crazy,

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Speaker 3: and you won, and you won, and then you came

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Speaker 3: back and you say, not only am I gonna win,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna win back to back and I'm going to

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Speaker 3: do something that's never been done before.

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Speaker 1: And both of us were at the Rio Olympics. You

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Speaker 1: were such a force of nature. And what I hated

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Speaker 1: most is no one knew about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I can say that at the

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Speaker 2: Olympic village, all the athletes knew about it. NBA players, yes,

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Speaker 2: a few NFL guys reached out, and all of US

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Speaker 2: Olympic athletes knew. But it was like they look at

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Speaker 2: sports so different in America. Oh gosh, you know, like

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Speaker 2: you have to have a certain look and have to

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Speaker 2: talk a certain way and have to be a certain way.

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Speaker 2: And then with women's boxing, there is no way to look.

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Speaker 2: I think I look fine as hell.

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Speaker 1: You look good, you look good.

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Speaker 2: To others, I look aggressive and mean and powerful, right,

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Speaker 2: And I don't I think that the world back then,

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Speaker 2: and even some now, it's like they haven't really grasped

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Speaker 2: onto that yet. So for me, it was like, so

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Speaker 2: what do you do just because the just because the

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Speaker 2: world isn't ready for you, do you stop being as

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Speaker 2: great as you are? It was like, nah, I guess

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Speaker 2: you're going to be. And that's kind of how how

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Speaker 2: I've taken it. Like, you know, I'm just gonna continue

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Speaker 2: to win, continue to fight, continue to build my brand,

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Speaker 2: continue to show that. Look, I'm a beast in the ring,

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Speaker 2: but a beauty outside of the ring just kind of

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Speaker 2: just roll with the punches more than anything. And if

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Speaker 2: they don't give you what you want, you kind of

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Speaker 2: have to either create, create what you want or sometimes

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Speaker 2: you gotta kick the door down right how you do?

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Speaker 1: But it's like how you do?

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Speaker 2: It's like I don't know. I think I realized that

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Speaker 2: some rooms that are not in maybe those rooms don't

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Speaker 2: deserve to have me in them.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And you know what I love about you? You

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Speaker 1: always say stay true to you, yes and your roots,

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Speaker 1: and you won't compromise that for anything. And I can.

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Speaker 1: I can sit here as a woman who moved very

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Speaker 1: differently in her own sport, who looked very differently covered

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Speaker 1: in tattoos, queer woman. That is one thing I want sacrifice.

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Speaker 1: That is one boundary I'm not willing to give up

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Speaker 1: is to be what other people want me to be,

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Speaker 1: To sell my soul to the devil, I fucking won't

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: You ever see all these celebrities, some of them are depressed, suicidal,

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Speaker 2: because they're trying to please people who don't give a

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Speaker 2: and be a certain way, and they're changing their whole

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Speaker 2: lives and then they're still not accepted.

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Speaker 1: To fit in a box that doesn't exist, that does

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Speaker 1: not exist there you can preach, Amen, And I love

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Speaker 1: that so much about your story. There's no coincidence that

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Speaker 1: there has been a movie made about your life because

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Speaker 1: your story outside of your boxing, Because I do think

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Speaker 1: and this show Wide Open is so much more about

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Speaker 1: who we are than what we do. You are a

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Speaker 1: testament of that. Yes, your story, how you've made it

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Speaker 1: your power and your strength, and you have held on

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Speaker 1: to that for so many years. And you were such

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Speaker 1: a great icon at such an early age, and you

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Speaker 1: started boxing at eleven years old, And for anyone who

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Speaker 1: at sixteen at an Olympics and only had five years

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Speaker 1: of training. That I mean, that just doesn't happen. No,

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Speaker 1: it does not happen. Like I was a prodigy in

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Speaker 1: my sport and I started at three, You started at eleven,

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Speaker 1: picked up a pair of boxing gloves and you were like, yep,

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Speaker 1: this is for me. I'm going to chase change the landscape. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and it's exactly what you did.

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Speaker 2: I believe that I was chosen to be a woman boxer.

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Speaker 2: M you know, I was chosen because a lot of

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Speaker 2: people when they talk about women's boxing, right, they say, oh,

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Speaker 2: that they've been discriminated against, and they were never accepted

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Speaker 2: and they were talked down upon. I never experienced that,

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Speaker 2: not in the amateurs and the amateurs when I when

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Speaker 2: when I was fighting, even up to the Olympics, men

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Speaker 2: were the most respectful to me, my my, my peers

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Speaker 2: and coaches. Everybody knew I was special. It just was

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Speaker 2: like when I turned pro it's when all the stuff

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Speaker 2: started changing. Now it's like women boxes aren't as good

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Speaker 2: the men, and we don't get to fight on TV

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Speaker 2: and we don't get equal opportunity, we don't get five

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Speaker 2: pay per view, And I was like, okay, this is new.

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Speaker 2: That was the thing that kind of, you know, it

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Speaker 2: was a little shaky, but I but I came. But

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Speaker 2: when I turned pro, it wasn't a landscape. It wasn't

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Speaker 2: a blueprint. So how do you become a multi millionaire? Women?

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Speaker 2: And women's boxing wasn't a blueprint? No, even Leila Ali

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Speaker 2: wasn't able to crack the coat. So it was like

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Speaker 2: that got yeah, yeah, you know, and I have to

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Speaker 2: figure out how to do this? But how do you

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Speaker 1: But it's it is an uphill battle because we are

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Speaker 1: told our whole life we are not enough, that we

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Speaker 1: aren't worthy of the same things that our male counterparts are.

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Speaker 1: And I can't imagine in a sport like boxing that

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Speaker 1: people are like, oh, you know, I watched the movie

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Speaker 1: The Fire Inside, and you know, I can't say how

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Speaker 1: accurate it was to what you went through, but I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty damn sure it's it's pretty close. But yeah, but

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Speaker 1: people to say, oh, this is too rough around the edges,

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Speaker 1: like these are two women getting, you know, in a

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Speaker 1: in a fistfight. And how are we supposed to bring

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Speaker 1: sponsorship and eyes to that. That's not pretty enough, that's

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Speaker 1: not delicate enough. We need very feminine attribute and sexiness

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Speaker 1: and the whole. I mean, we all get it, we

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Speaker 1: all get it. We're not enough, We're not this, We're

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Speaker 1: not that, We're not sexy enough, we don't fit. I

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Speaker 1: was never the girl next door. And I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: anyone in boxiness like that's you're not sitting, not mold,

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Speaker 1: you are showing what power looks like for your sport.

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Speaker 2: Power and passion. Yes, I think that that's where they

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Speaker 2: get this stuff wrong. Gas. It's like, look, my job

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Speaker 2: is my job. You can't expect the cook to go

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Speaker 2: she is cooking. Yeah, it's flour involved.

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Speaker 1: It's butter, grease, absolutely a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of stuff involved in cooking. So when it comes to

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Speaker 2: me cooking and camp, I got work. I can't come

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Speaker 2: in there looking like listen, if I wanted to, I

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Speaker 2: can have a nice slim slim, slim body, and I

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Speaker 2: can have a six pack all year round and I

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Speaker 2: can be very skinny and patigue. But for the sport

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Speaker 2: that I'm doing, it is required that I have muscles. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that I be strong and have stamina and have good

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Speaker 2: You have to be great in everything in box. You

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Speaker 2: have to have good, great IQ. You have to be

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Speaker 2: great mentally. You have to be stronger your legs, strong

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Speaker 2: in your back, stronger your neck. I got the biggest

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Speaker 2: traps I've ever seen in my life, you know, so

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Speaker 2: it's like like my my traps are bigger than some men.

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Speaker 2: I love it and it's cute to me. It's attractive

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Speaker 2: to me. But the other peop's like, oh, she's too strong,

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Speaker 2: and it's like, look, let me be beat, let me

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Speaker 2: be passionate about my job. But also no, outside of

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Speaker 2: the ring, it's a different mold of me. And I

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Speaker 2: think that when people haven't realized that you can't judge

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Speaker 2: a person off their job outside of the ring. I'm

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Speaker 2: still a human being and I'm a woman first, So

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Speaker 2: and you know, stay and stay under. You didn't stay undefeated.

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Speaker 2: This is what it requires. I'm not gonna be in

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Speaker 2: the ring with makeup on and lashes and lipstick. I'm sorry. Listen,

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Speaker 2: there are there are some girls who are badass enough

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Speaker 2: to wear lashes inside the ring.

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Speaker 1: And you will knock them off.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what burns more a punch to the

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Speaker 2: my god, I don't know what. That's so good. So

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Speaker 2: I'm like to be inside the ring knowing that punches

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Speaker 2: want me to smile, and you guys want me to

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Speaker 2: wear makeup and wear lashes and be cute inside the ring.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: It's never gonna happen. I'm gonna braid my hair up.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking the edge crol, I'm taking the edge control off.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking the eyelashes off. No makeup at all. All

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Speaker 2: I got is bare face. That's something that's fighting here.

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Speaker 2: After every fight, I gotta ice my face for two days,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, because it's poofy here. It's poofy there.

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Speaker 1: You look great. You wouldn't know that's what happens when

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Speaker 1: you win.

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Speaker 2: I take great care of myself. But after the fight,

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Speaker 2: I tell everybody just leave me alone. Yeah yeah, let

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Speaker 2: me recover around. I just went through something. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've made it look easy, but homegirl caught me with

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't know much about it. My extent is rumble boxing,

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Speaker 1: which I lasted. Okay, this is like Barry's class, but boxing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I have to talk to you about that. I have

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Speaker 1: to talk to you about this. This very off This

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Speaker 1: is very off script. I'm gonna tell you this. I

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Speaker 1: retired three years ago now, and I said, fuck, what

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Speaker 1: am I gonna do with my time? But I want

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Speaker 1: to stay active, I want to stay hungry. And people

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Speaker 1: were like, you are too intense and too aggressive to

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Speaker 1: not take up boxing. So I got a trainer. Shout

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Speaker 1: out Lloyd. I got this trainer, I started boxing. I

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Speaker 1: was like, this is the hardest fucking thing I've ever done.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, I could just start by saying that it

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Speaker 2: So I started speaking about what I went through because

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, for me, I just wanted to let

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Speaker 2: There you go. It had to make him feel like crap.

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Speaker 2: You raped a five year old girl, a child, and

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Speaker 2: And I went through stuff. I went through stuff I

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. We'll be right back. There's no coincidence.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get this wrong. You are the

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Speaker 1: have always thought, oh, you're too competitive or too rough

434
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 1: around the edges, you're too angry, you have anger issues.

435
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,160
Speaker 1: You have this, you have that. People have no idea

436
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: what people have walked through until you're in their shoes.

437
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: And what I always you know, in every interview, I

438
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: always said this was servile for me. There was no

439
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: plan B, there was no backup plan. And when I

440
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: read so much about the people who are so harsh

441
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 1: on the way you show up, they're women of color

442
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: and a position of privilege, which drives me nuts. And

443
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: the way you move is a circumstance of the life

444
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: you've lived, and no one will understand that, but you

445
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: and there is no second chance, There is no backup

446
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 1: plan there. You fight every fucking time you're in training

447
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: and against your opponent. You're fighting for survival. You're fighting

448
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: for that little five year old that people will never understand.

449
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 1: And how dare them have any criticism on the way

450
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: you show up and the way you hold yourself and

451
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: the way you are so unapologetic about the way you

452
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: move in this world? And good for you, because they

453
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,439
Speaker 1: not enough women do it.

454
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: Not enough women do it. And you know what, none

455
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: of women love themselves, have learned to love themselves because

456
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: it's hard to love yourself when people have not loved

457
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 2: you correctly. So when you learn how to love yourself,

458
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: then you can love other people.

459
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: I love that.

460
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: So a lot of people who are giving us criticism

461
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: about how we show up is because they have never

462
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:34,239
Speaker 2: shown up. They are still living in the shadows of

463
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: what happened to them, and they are angry and mad

464
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 2: and they want to make you feel like that, you know.

465
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,400
Speaker 2: So for me, it's like I always I've been telling

466
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,400
Speaker 2: myself this is the past few days. Focus on the positive,

467
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 2: Focus on the positive. It's so much, so many positive

468
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 2: things happening in my life, so many great things, and

469
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: sometimes I still get triggered by certain comments from people

470
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: who haven't accomplished it. Yeah, haven't done nothing. They don't

471
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: got no money. They just all they got to an

472
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 2: Instagram account or Facebook and they're just jealous. And I'm like,

473
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: you know what, don't let this person anger. You block them,

474
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: and going about to day, keep pushing block them, and

475
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, look, you got millions some followers.

476
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 2: Block them, they're just one. You get them out the way.

477
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: And so it's hard to do that. But a lot

478
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: of listen, a lot of these people who are who

479
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: are in power, and they're so judgmental. It's not nobody

480
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: placed in this world to judge nobody but God. It

481
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: literally says that in the Bible and also the the

482
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: the the thief of all joy is comparison. So I

483
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 2: don't compare myself to nobody.

484
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: Say that again, Clarissa, there you go.

485
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: It was was it? The thief of all joy is comparison.

486
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: And that's what we do in this society, especially with

487
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: social media.

488
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 2: Because everybody life is perfect on everybody's rich.

489
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: Everybody influencer traveling to this place, not placebo.

490
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 2: Everybody here is perfect, their clothes is perfect. There's not

491
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: a thing out of and you can edit. I can

492
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 2: go take a picture right now with no makeup one

493
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: and I can edit make up on my face and

494
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 2: I can look you know, I can enhance my looks

495
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: like you can enhance your body now. You can make

496
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: your waist be two inches small but be forty five.

497
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just it's a crazy world to me.

498
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 2: We really are.

499
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: And the only people that is hurting in our society

500
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: is the young women being raised in this current climate

501
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: because it's telling them constantly to change themselves, to change themselves,

502
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: and they are not enough, yep. And that that is

503
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: something where we resist, which I love, because we show

504
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: up exactly who the fuck.

505
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: We want to be every day.

506
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: And if you don't like it, unsubscribe. It's not my problem.

507
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: Like I have a platform and what I choose to

508
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: do with it and how I choose to show up

509
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: is my business. And I am not gonna live it

510
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: through filtered lens. Yes, preach, and I'm not gonna ask

511
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: someone who is raising, you know, a black daughter, I

512
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:15,959
Speaker 1: will not allow her to penetrate what culture tells her

513
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: every single day.

514
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 2: I tell everybody like, don't be afraid to be different,

515
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: you know, don't be afraid to be different. Everybody wanted

516
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 2: to try to put you in this box. It's like

517
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: a box, like you said, that doesn't even exist, exists exist?

518
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: What does it mean nothing? Because they were saying that

519
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: when I turn pro women boxes don't talk trash. Oh

520
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: you have to grow talk trash. Oh you need to

521
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: be nicer.

522
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: And I was just like, Nope, whether I wear kitten

523
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: hills a tight little mini skirt does not matter how

524
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: much I'm gonna whoop ass when I step into.

525
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: That doesn't make a difference.

526
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: That feel that core that nothing. I will whoop some

527
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: asks no matter what I look like. And and you

528
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: you went through it because in the in the film,

529
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: you struggled with endorsement deals by saying true to yourself.

530
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that also too, So I think I struggled

531
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 2: for two reasons, of course, being true to myself and

532
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: not knowing that the world had a problem with a

533
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: certain kind of black woman. Yeah, I mean, had I

534
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: had They told me, Hey, okay, we all do stuff

535
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 2: for money.

536
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: Right, hell yeah, so we gotta pay. We were not

537
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: making that kind of money in women's sports.

538
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: Right, So I was like, Okay, they would have told me, hey,

539
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, not how you talk matters, but how you

540
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: look matters, or you need to look nicer inside the ring.

541
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 2: If they would have told me that, I would have like,

542
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 2: I would have looked them like, I would have been

543
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: really confused because growing up up in Flint, Michigan, and

544
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: I'm the only girl in the gym with twenty other guys,

545
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: and I've been sparring these guys since i was a kid.

546
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: And now I'm fifteen sparing against grown men and who

547
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: are twenty five and thirty. Wow, we're not we I was.

548
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 2: I was taught to every time I step into the ring,

549
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: it's my job to dog you. It's my job to

550
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 2: beat you down. I'm already inside the ring with men

551
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: who are older and stronger and bigger than me. I'm

552
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: not getting here to mess around. So when I get

553
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: in there with the with a woman, my mindset doesn't

554
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: doesn't change. My only goal is to win, to dominate,

555
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: to destroy you. Yeah, you know, like I'll bite your

556
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: fucking air like this was God, It's going like up

557
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 2: and up inside the ring is going down. So at

558
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 2: the age of seventeen had they told me, well, they

559
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: did tell me to start stop saying I like beating

560
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: girls up and making them cry. But at the time

561
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: it was like I do, oh yeah, wow. It was

562
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: like it's a competitive sport, you know. And then I

563
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: feel like if a girl was to beat me ship,

564
00:30:55,760 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: she'll go ship brag about it. She talk about because

565
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm hot stuff. Yeah. So it's like I'm supposed to

566
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: be the girl and.

567
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: Be like, I'm gonna be humble in this moment.

568
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 2: No, no, not, I'm gonna throw me your face every

569
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: second I get I mean, I dropped you, God me

570
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 2: with this, I hit you with that. Like so, I

571
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: think that I just wasn't aware that these things existed

572
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 2: in the world of if you want to get indorses

573
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: and sponsorship, you have.

574
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: To have.

575
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: You gotta have a hair person, a make a person,

576
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 2: a soylad, a pr crazy. I didn't know that this

577
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: stuff even exists. Now I'm turning thirty and since I

578
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: was twenty six, I can say I've had a publicist,

579
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: a stylist, a hairstylist, a makeup artist. I got all

580
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 2: this stuff now, but it's because I'm leveling up and

581
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: I'm doing different things, but don't ever get it messed up.

582
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna whoop your ass.

583
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: Box is still maddens first. And when I and when

584
00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: I listen, I'll show up to the way in and

585
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: my little fur, my little bikini, and I have my

586
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 2: little wig on with my cute hair, my makeup on.

587
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: But when it gets time for the fight, the makeup

588
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: in the in the in the wig is coming off. Yeah,

589
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: and I'm ready to fight, and I'm gonna give you

590
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: the best fight that you've ever seen. And I don't know,

591
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: like there is no compromise with that. So I don't

592
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: know with these companies or these endorsers on like what

593
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: they want me to compromise. But I never I see

594
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: the guys get endorsement all the time with them being dominant, strong, outspoken,

595
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: and rewarded for it. They get rewarded for it. So

596
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: it's like, why can't I get rewarded for it? Because

597
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: I'm showing you that I'm this inside the ring, and

598
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: then outside the ring, I'm giving you this so you

599
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: see that I'm pretty, You see that i'm a good

600
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: looking woman. You see that I'm well spoken, that I'm

601
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: very strong minded, and i'm very inspirational, motivational, with the

602
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: biopicing it like you see the woman that I am,

603
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: but then inside the ring you see a beast. So

604
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: it's like, how is that hard to market? Yeah? I

605
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: think I think it's a home one.

606
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I totally agree.

607
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: And I love.

608
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 1: The letter you wrote in twenty ten. It's twenty ten,

609
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: players Tribune to your grandmother.

610
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 2: Whoel was two thousand. I feel like he was sixteen.

611
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: I read that letter you wrote to your grandmother, and

612
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: she had passed by then twenty ten. Yeah, it was beautiful.

613
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful message that I related to a

614
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: lot as someone who was raised by a very very

615
00:33:52,760 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: strong grandmother who taught me so much in my life,

616
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: who I admire so much, who is not here anymore,

617
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 1: that I carry her with me and everything I do,

618
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: and I see her everywhere I go when I need it.

619
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: You have been on this pursuit of excellence and you

620
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: have broken barriers at every level. Did your grandmother have

621
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: a big, big part of the way you move in

622
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: this world?

623
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: Listen, my grandmother, I am a spinning image of her,

624
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: and I also like a spinning spirit of her. My

625
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 2: grandmother was so nice. Oh, she cooked, she said, care

626
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 2: of me. When I was growing up, they thought, well,

627
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 2: I have like less hearing in one ear, so everybody

628
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 2: thought I was deaf. My grandma taught me sign language,

629
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: taught me how to taught me how to communicate and talk.

630
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 2: I to study really bad. And my grandma took her

631
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: time with me. And when I live with her from

632
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: the age of five to ten, my grandma taught me

633
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: how to cook, how to clean, how to communicate. My

634
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 2: grandma wrote poems, my grandma wrote songs. But let me

635
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: tell you something. My grandmother, Joanne, did not play. My

636
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: grandmother was five ten in height, but you would think

637
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,919
Speaker 2: she was six two six giant. She had a aura

638
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: about her to where you knew she was not to

639
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: be to be played with. You don't disrespect Joanne and

640
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 2: I am the same way. I come from a line

641
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: of strong women, and my grandmother just I don't know.

642
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: She gave me so many great tips in my life

643
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: and something the things that I didn't understand, what stand

644
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: that I didn't understand that what she was saying when

645
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: I was younger, and then I and then I hear

646
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: it now and I'd be like she was and starcastic

647
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: she's being funny. You know. I think I was fourteen.

648
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 2: I had a boyfriend and she said, Cocle, I'm gonna

649
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: get you a belt to keep your pants up. And

650
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,479
Speaker 2: I was like, what does that means? Because my pants

651
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: were so tight that I had like, what are you

652
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,320
Speaker 2: talking about, Grandma? And she was like mm hmm, And

653
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: I was like and then I don't know. I turned,

654
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: I don't know, nineteen and twenty, I'm like, it comes

655
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 2: to my head. Like she said, I'm gonna get your

656
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: bell to keep your pants. I'm like, oh, she knew

657
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: what on h But it was funny because I didn't

658
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: understand it because I was a virgin until I was

659
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: seventeen and a half. So I'm like, okay you. But

660
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: also she said, you know, a do what makes you happy.

661
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: And my grandma let me let me play basketball and

662
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 2: football with the guys on the street. She cook for

663
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: the whole block. My grandma threw fundraisers for me to

664
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: have money to go to these amateur tournaments. She used

665
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: to hang my robot and robe out in front of

666
00:36:57,760 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: her house so everybody can see that. I said, Chris,

667
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: to see rex. She was on the back when when

668
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: they rode past the big old flecky rope. My grandma was.

669
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: She was my everything. So I carry her in my spirit,

670
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 2: you know. But she taught me a lot. She and

671
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: she in one thing, it's so many things. She taught

672
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: me so many different things. But she just taught me,

673
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: like not to tolerate disrespect. She said, respect goes way

674
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: longer than gifts. Yes, you know, people just giving you stuff,

675
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: people being being faked or do She said, respect. Don't

676
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 2: let nobody disrespect you belittle you. Always be true to yourself,

677
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 2: be strong and who you are. And my grandma accepted me,

678
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 2: you know. She never was like, oh, you shouldn't do this,

679
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: you shouldn't do that. My grandma loved the fact that

680
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: I was boxing. She loved it. She hated when I

681
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: used to get up, when I used to get upset

682
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: and cry I had a bad day at the gym.

683
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 2: But she would just be like, you do Coco, just

684
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 2: go back tomorrow. Yeah, and you do better tomorrow.

685
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: And what I will say, as I have interviewed some

686
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: of the greatest athletes of all time, Billy Jean King

687
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: just said that.

688
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 2: Yes.

689
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: And she is an absolute icon and a woman who

690
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: is so incredibly wise. She spoke about the way you

691
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: know her father was her mentor, and there was no

692
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: coincidence on the way all of us successful athletes have

693
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: been raised about knowing our way in the world and

694
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: knowing exactly who the fuck we are and not compromising

695
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: or not trying to fit in, or not minimizing or

696
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: belittling ourselves to make other people happy. We will not

697
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: sacrifice ourself and our worth and minimize art who we

698
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: are for other people to to accept us. And I

699
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: think it is really interesting that we have all had

700
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: really strong figures in our lives who believed in our

701
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: gifts before we believed in them ourselves. And I do

702
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: think that that has a lot to do with the

703
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: secret Sauce. I always ask this question, and for a

704
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: woman who has lived through so many seasons, this podcast

705
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: is really about the unraveling and being very wide open

706
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: and vulnerable talking about the things that made us who

707
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: we are today outside of what we do, and it's

708
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: a really important question to ask, and for someone who's

709
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: so open and sharing their scars in your journey, what

710
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: is the one moment in your life that really split

711
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 1: you wide open, that changed everything for you, either personally

712
00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: or professionally, like, what was that defining moment that changed

713
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 1: at all?

714
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 2: You know what, It's two defining moments. The first was

715
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: I was fifteen best boxer in the gym. Out of

716
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: all the men and the women, I was the only

717
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 2: girl in the gym. And I had a bad day

718
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: at the gym. And when I used to have bet

719
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: at the gym, I used to start screaming and cursing

720
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 2: and throwing stuff, and I mean I would have a fit.

721
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: And when I say I bet at the gym, somebody

722
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: kicked my ass that day, because I'm used to kicking ass,

723
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 2: I got my ass kick right. Yeah. And when I

724
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: went to somebody in the gym, a lot of times

725
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 2: I didn't talk trash to him. But but but it depends.

726
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 2: So one day a guy, Darion, he got off on

727
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 2: me good this day, so pissed.

728
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: You never forget he got off on me so good.

729
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 2: It had probably been years since he had beat me

730
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: inside the gym. We smart all the time, but I

731
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: don't know. He caught me lack in this day. He

732
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: pieced me up. And I remember getting off the ring,

733
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: he would talk trashing me. Yeah, I got your ass today,

734
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: I beat you today, And I just was. I was

735
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 2: so mad, and I get out the ring and I'm

736
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: trying to hit him with a chair. Oh and I'm

737
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: trying to throw a glove at I'm yelling and screaming,

738
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 2: and Jason like, rest, get your ass off the gym,

739
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: get out, and I go in the hallway. I'm just like,

740
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: I'm just crying and screaming, and He's like, just go

741
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: over there and do that, because he knew it was

742
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: gonna happen. And I remember a coach named Jean Yea

743
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: walking up to me at the gym after all this.

744
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 2: He said, can you guys tell you try to talk

745
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: to me earlier when I was mad? I probably I

746
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: probably said, someone probably said shut up talking to me,

747
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,959
Speaker 2: leave me on something. And then he said, he said,

748
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: once I calmed down, he said, rest. You got all

749
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: that talent and use a hell of a fighter. But

750
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: he said, if you don't change your attitude, you ain't

751
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 2: gonna get nowhere. He said, you ain't gonna do nothing.

752
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: He said, your attitude thinks. He said, you gotta. When

753
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: you get mad, you talk to people any any type

754
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: of way. You yelling and you screaming. You can't control

755
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: your anger, he said, you got everything it takes to

756
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 2: be the best in the world and get everything that

757
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: you want off this world, but bad people don't get it.

758
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: He said, you got to be a better person than

759
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: you are a fighter. And when he told me that,

760
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: something hit me in my chest.

761
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: And said, he right, there's truth to that.

762
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 2: I gotta be a better person. I gotta learn how

763
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: to control my anger. Just because I'm a great fighter

764
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 2: don't mean that I can be this way. And it's

765
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: not nobody fault that I'm so angry, Like, okay, it's

766
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 2: somebody fought, but it is my job to change it.

767
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: And I'm also a Christian, so like it's my job

768
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 2: to be a better person anyway to bring more people

769
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 2: to Christ. And like, how you gonna do that? And

770
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: you got a bad attitude, and you think when you

771
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 2: get mad, just everything goes. You can say what you want,

772
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: do what you want, disrespect everybody, dispect your elders. And

773
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: when he said us to me, it really just it

774
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: just it's like somebody punched me in the chest and

775
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: said that's real. That's somebody that really cared about you

776
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 2: telling you this. So from that day I start working

777
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: on my attitude. And I said you know what. And

778
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 2: you know, when you're working on your attitude, you're working

779
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: on something, all types of stuff starts happening. Hell yeah,

780
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: the ego stuff starts happening. You like, ooh, the old

781
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: me would do this, but the new me have So

782
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: I always like, be the new you. Be the new you,

783
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 2: Be the new you, and so many things would happen,

784
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: and people were talking to me crazy, disrespecting me. I was.

785
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: I had another bad y at the gym, and I

786
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: just remember, like, as I'm going through these growing pains.

787
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: By the time I turned sixteen and a half seventeen

788
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: and I'm at the Olympics, I had a whole different

789
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: mindset of how I look that spar and how I

790
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 2: looked that boxing, how I retaliated to people. That conversation

791
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: there changed my life. And then it's one more. I

792
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: used to I take up donations at Burston field House

793
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 2: to get money to go to tournaments and people to

794
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: give five dollars, give a dollar, fifty cent whatever. But

795
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: this particular tournament, I was probably fourteen, and a lady

796
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 2: who was a drug addict. She used to call me

797
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: Miss Shields, likes to rump past her every morning, run

798
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: down North Sacon. Whenever I seen her, she'd be like, hey,

799
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: Michelle's keep it up, keep it up, miss Shields. I

800
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: believe in you. And she was on drugs, a drug addict, right,

801
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,919
Speaker 2: And so I seen her and she was like, Chris,

802
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 2: to come here. I knew she I thought she didna

803
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 2: give me some money, but I'm like, okay, whatever. I

804
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 2: walked up to her, I'm like, hey, how much you

805
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: gonna donate to me to go to this tournament? And

806
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: she said, Claris, I don't have I don't have any

807
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: money for you. But she was like, well I got

808
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: something else. And I said my mom being like, what's

809
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: better than money? What you got, you know? And she

810
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 2: grabbed my hands. She said, I want to pray with you,

811
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: and she just prayed that I just stay strong and

812
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 2: I get on the money that I need to go

813
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 2: to the tournament, and that God protects me my family.

814
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: You know.

815
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 2: And after she prayed for me, she said, even though

816
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 2: even though I'm going through what I'm going through, you

817
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: give me strength that I can beat this addiction. And

818
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: that is probably the two most defining. That moment there

819
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: defines so much for me because it was like, what

820
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: is more powerful than money prayer. She couldn't give me anything,

821
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: she prayed for me, and I feel like her prayer

822
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: stills with me to this day. It's one of the

823
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: most moving things that's ever happened to me.

824
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 1: Well chose, You're the chosen one. You were the chosen one.

825
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: You were the sign of hope.

826
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: I want to call my son that when I have the.

827
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: Chosen stay tuned. I'll be back in just a moment

828
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: after that. And this brief message from our sponsors. You

829
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: were the sign of hope for people who felt hopeless. Yes,

830
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: And to see you out on those streets, running every

831
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: single day to make yourself better in some small way

832
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: made them better, made them want to be better people.

833
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: And I think we can never underestimate where we come

834
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: from and how we turn hope into action by just

835
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: showing up, that's what you did, and I think that

836
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: is a very very special gift. And for you to

837
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: hold that with you and cherish that moment and talk

838
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: about it is really special because Flint, Michigan is not

839
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: a place someone like you should come out of, and

840
00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,280
Speaker 1: all odds against you, you are now showing younger girls

841
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: who look like you what's possible, and that to me,

842
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to answer for you. Feels like

843
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: a damn good legacy to leave behind.

844
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a great legacy to leave behind. And also too,

845
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 2: I'm still human. I still go back to my city

846
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 2: of Flint, Michigan, and I'm so humble and so nice.

847
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 2: Everybody in Flint, Detroit, wherever I go, they feel like, Hey,

848
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 2: you're my sister, your mine, you're you're my cousin, you're

849
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 2: my auntie. It's a few kids that call me their mom.

850
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: So it's like kids, I have a kids gravitate towards me.

851
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: People people gravitate toward me people in general, but kids,

852
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: they just gravitate toward me really easy. And I can

853
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 2: get through to them because I speak the real I

854
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,720
Speaker 2: actually know how it is to grow up without without

855
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: certain things that you know some I think, I'm not

856
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: gonna say privileged kids have. But if you a kid

857
00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: and you're a teenager and you got a mom that

858
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 2: I care about you, a dad, they care about you,

859
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: and they make sure you eat, they clothe you, they

860
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: pay all the bills, and you only have to go

861
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: without heat and water. I'm sorry, you are a privileged

862
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: kid and you are damned with because everybody is not

863
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: everybody is not does not have that privilege.

864
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: No, and watching the movie that you just told me

865
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 1: is ninety eight percent very accurate of your life. To

866
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: watch your story was very humbling, and it was very

867
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: eye opening. And I suggest everyone watched the fire inside

868
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: because what you have walked and where you have gone

869
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: is a testament to who you are inside and the

870
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: way you move in this world.

871
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: And I.

872
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: Am excited to show my daughter your story. I'm excited

873
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: to show my daughter your strength and your wisdom and

874
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: your power. And I'm grateful for your story because I

875
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: do think in this unique world we live in, especially

876
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,760
Speaker 1: right now with women actually having a movement and sport,

877
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: we have to tell our story and we have to

878
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: allow people in. And I think too often we think

879
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: there's only room for one of us, and we rather

880
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: stand on the neck of another woman than on their shoulders.

881
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: H dear, oh you preaching?

882
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And my hope is you know I was a

883
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: part of the equal pay movement and US soccer. I

884
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: know you were a part of fighting for equal pay,

885
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: and I love that you have decided this movement goes

886
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 1: far beyond just putting the boxing gloves on This is

887
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: the legacy you want to leave behind. This is what

888
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: you want young children who don't have the same access

889
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: can aspire to be with very little like it's hope

890
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: is an action for me, and you are the action.

891
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: You are the living proof of what's possible. And the

892
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: more you're willing to tell your story, the more people

893
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: are willing to stand outside of their circumstance. Which that

894
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: is power, that is strength, that is the movement, and

895
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: that is what I'm grateful for. And I'm so excited

896
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: I got to meet you in person because you you

897
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: are an exceptional athlete, but you're an incredible human and

898
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 1: not enough people give you enough credit. And I hope

899
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: that in this movement of women's sports that you get

900
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 1: what you deserve.

901
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: Its coming.

902
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: It's coming.

903
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: I say that everything is God's timing. I'm so happy God,

904
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 2: and give me one million.

905
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: I was seventeen, God, what would happen?

906
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 2: Thank you God, because I'd be broken right now I

907
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 2: think that. And now me me turning thirty, I have

908
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 2: coming to the person that I know. I know who

909
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 2: I am, I know what I stand for, I know

910
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: what I don't stand for. I have control of my brand,

911
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 2: I know what my brand is and what it's not.

912
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: Some some stuff that I just don't align with, but

913
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 2: some things I do. And I just see that now

914
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: I can read better. Everybody's not out to get me. Gods,

915
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 2: some good people in the world, and I have to

916
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 2: be and I'm open enough now to accept those good people.

917
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: At first, it was like everybody's bad. I can't do it.

918
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 2: So I'm just happy now that I've come into this

919
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: space and that I mean, it is okay to be

920
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 2: happy with yourself. I'm happy with how I look, my hair,

921
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: my body, my face, my hands.

922
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: You know, happy with everything you're winning, You're dating life good,

923
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: life is good. Life is good, and sometimes like we

924
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: have to enjoy the good and not dwell always on

925
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: the bad. And I love that you're in such a

926
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: good place, and congratulations on your latest victory and fight.

927
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 1: You are really dominating in every aspect of the word.

928
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: But I love that you're also happy outside of sport. Yes,

929
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: because what people don't know about what we do and

930
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: the things we sacrifice, we don't open ourselves up often

931
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: for joy. No, a lot of isolation, Yes, isolation. We

932
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: feel more at ease and struggle and the pain because

933
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 1: that's all we've known, that's all we can allow ourselves

934
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 1: to be. And what you're doing right now is showing

935
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: I can be this incredible, bad ass boxer who is

936
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: checking every fucking box out there and winning everything I

937
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: want and every weight class. But I'm also choosing joy

938
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: outside of it because I deserve it. Yes, and you

939
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: do deserve it, And I'm really happy for you.

940
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: Thank you?

941
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: And what's next? Tell everyone? I mean, for someone who's

942
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: ticking every damn box out there, what is next for you? Clarissa.

943
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: I want to have two more fights this year and

944
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: then next year. I want to have a baby. I

945
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: want to have my own I want to have my

946
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: own kids. I have taken care of so many kids

947
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: in my family. My little sister Brianna has three kids, Suki,

948
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: Gemini and Fededdi, and I raise all three of them. Okay,

949
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 2: my nephew, fed Eddie's eleven, Gemini six, and Suki is four.

950
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 2: And when I tell you, these kids like money, Suki

951
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 2: calls me every day, you know he Ley's voice, memos,

952
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: Hey can I come over to your house where you're at?

953
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 2: And I've always like my sister kids are like my kids.

954
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 2: But I want to have my own kids. So not

955
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 2: that they won't be my kids no more, but I

956
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 2: want to just I want to have my own kids.

957
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: I want to have four kids total, but I will

958
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 2: be okay if I get two or them. Good for

959
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: you too.

960
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what. There are a handful.

961
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: I've heard they are a handful.

962
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 1: But it is important for us, as women who are

963
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: paving the way for change, to show what's possible. And

964
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: that is part of it because so often when I

965
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: was in my sport, I was told it's impossible to

966
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: balance a professional career and a personal life of raising children.

967
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: And I said, watch me, so I think you can

968
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: do both. I know you can do both. And what

969
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: an incredible gift to show everyone. Not only are you

970
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: the powerful woman you are in the boxing ring, but

971
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: you're also the powerful woman you want to be outside

972
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 1: of it. And I encourage that because my children are

973
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 1: the greatest gift that I've ever had, and they bring

974
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,359
Speaker 1: so much perspective and joy to my life. I would

975
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 1: have been a better player if I had them earlier,

976
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: if I wasn't so scared based on what people told me.

977
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: Wasn't it possible for me? I'm happy, I kind of waited.

978
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 2: You know, I'm happy about that because, well, even after

979
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 2: I have my first kid or my second kid, I

980
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 2: want to come back to boxing and Boxhimore. I'm not

981
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna retire from boxington. I'm thirty eight, so

982
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 2: I got a good, strong nine eight years in the game.

983
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's do it.

984
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: I got some time.

985
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be following you all all in the entire way,

986
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna tell you that I need to train

987
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: with you.

988
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 2: You gotta let me in.

989
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: You gotta let me into train with you while you

990
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,719
Speaker 1: gotta come the only ruler. You can't hit me in

991
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: the face, you anywhere. I tell all my friends it's like, listen,

992
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: I love hard.

993
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,879
Speaker 2: I do not want to have to fight against any

994
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: of my friends, even in boxing, like like like like,

995
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 2: I have friends and I'll be telling them like, please

996
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 2: don't call me out because my competitive spirit is gonna

997
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:54,800
Speaker 2: make me. Fuck you.

998
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

999
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 2: I want I want to. I want to hug my

1000
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,719
Speaker 2: friends and laugh my friends. But some of these girls

1001
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: friends with in boxing, they they have caught me out

1002
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 2: for fights, and I'm like, my girl, I'm different. Yeah,

1003
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 2: do you know what?

1004
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 3: I love you?

1005
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: This is what I for the people who don't know.

1006
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: After Mike Tyson fought what was it?

1007
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:19,240
Speaker 2: Jake Paul.

1008
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: Was a few months ago, absolutely worst fight we've ever watched.

1009
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: I love what that. You chimed in and were like, oh,

1010
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: let me know when you're ready to box, like Jake Paul,

1011
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: I'll fight you. I don't like Paul almost sell out.

1012
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 2: Of my skin.

1013
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, yes, he needs to his ass whopped.

1014
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 2: He does stuff to piss off the whole world. He's

1015
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: gonna piss the whole world off. Listen. I said, you

1016
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 2: don't even have to fight me. Spar with me.

1017
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: Come on, get it training with us. This is an

1018
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: open invite.

1019
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: Listen.

1020
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 1: I will bite fucking ankles, I will buckle a knee.

1021
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: I don't play there, so I'm letting you know that.

1022
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 2: Now listen, I can play completely fair with Jake. I'm

1023
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 2: gonna kick his ass. Now, let's go listen Jake Paul.

1024
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:13,439
Speaker 2: First of all, I have to always say this because

1025
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 2: he's such a hater. He's like, oh, I don't care

1026
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 2: about Clarissa. She's a terrible person. She got all these

1027
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 2: great accolades, but she's a terrible person. Amanda surrounding was

1028
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: such a better person crying on every Mikey get on

1029
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: about me. But this is what I would say about

1030
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 2: Jake Paul, Right, I don't have an issue with the clown. No,

1031
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: it's just the fact that he has never given me

1032
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 2: my props. You can't come into the game of women's

1033
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 2: boxing and call somebody else to quote when I got

1034
00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 2: the most accomplishment. Yeah, I got the more bels, the

1035
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: Olympic gold medals. I fight better, I'm more dominant. You

1036
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: cannot say that somebody else is better than me. So

1037
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: then as we go off from that, it's like, bro,

1038
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: have some respect.

1039
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: Put some respect on my Yeah, put damn fucking YouTube

1040
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: influencer enough.

1041
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 2: And look, I like that about him. He's I think

1042
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 2: Jake Paul is a funny guy. I think he is,

1043
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: and he's done well for him. He's done so well.

1044
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: Jake, well done.

1045
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: We we you know what.

1046
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: Well done.

1047
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: Listen.

1048
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: You've made a life for yourself.

1049
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: May made some money, got in the ring with Mike Tyson,

1050
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 2: he knocked out basketball players, uh UFC fighters. Listen, Jake Paul,

1051
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: great job.

1052
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: Man, can't follow him on that, and he's got a

1053
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: good team around him. So who are we calling out?

1054
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: Who are gonna have the next fight again. There's some

1055
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: girls I want to cook all right, who are cooking

1056
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: on Netflix? Come on, we gotta get Netflix on board. Well,

1057
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: you know what, speaking into existence.

1058
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: So Jake Paul, he doesn't want to fight me because

1059
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: I beat him up. But he had this girl named

1060
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 2: Sadishah Green who he said she would knock out me

1061
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 2: and Franchion Cruise ring it the same day. Now French

1062
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: Tion Cruise already whoop Shadash. But she was talking trash

1063
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: to me, so I want to beat her up. To

1064
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: Jake Paul, he's your promoter, come on and make a

1065
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: fight with me. I want to beat up Hannah Gabrels.

1066
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: I want to fight Savanna Marshall again from the UK.

1067
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: She needs to bring bring, bring her but all the

1068
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 2: way to America so I can piece her up. Already

1069
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 2: beat her up in the already beat her up in

1070
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: the UK.

1071
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: So I'm calling you around everywhere.

1072
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so come so come to them America and then

1073
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 2: who else go to beat up? Well? I wanted to

1074
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: beat up Natasha Jonas, but she doesn't want to fight me,

1075
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: of course not. I want to be a police of

1076
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: momb Gardner. She's she's actually too small, but she had

1077
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 2: a lot of lip. We were a little cordial now,

1078
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: but I still feel like we gotta fight. So if

1079
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Speaker 2: we don't fight, at least we got a spark so

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Speaker 2: I can show her with a big dog.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I love this.

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Speaker 2: It's just so many people won't beat up.

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Speaker 1: We got to make it happen. Yeah. I need to

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Speaker 1: be a part of your team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Listen, I got the give the gab and the

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Speaker 2: gift the deb so it's really no appolicies that off limits.

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Speaker 2: They all can get it.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, Well, thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: You are so fun.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having Yes.

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Speaker 1: This has been I'm like tearing up because I'm laughing

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Speaker 1: my ass off because you just.

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Speaker 2: You kill me.

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Speaker 1: I love it because you know what you can. You

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Speaker 1: can talk the talk, because you can walk the walk,

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Speaker 1: and you will whoop some ass. So it's not out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere, which I respect. But I am very grateful

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Speaker 1: for our time together. I think you're an incredible human

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Speaker 1: and incredible athlete, and thank you for constantly being open

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Speaker 1: to share your story and I wish nothing but success

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Speaker 1: for you. Tell everyone watching and listening where they can

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Speaker 1: find you and follow you and support you on this

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Speaker 1: pursuit of greatness and excellence even though you continue to win.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so everybody watching you can find me on Instagram

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Speaker 2: at CLARESSA shield c l A r E s s

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Speaker 2: A Shields Shi l DS. I got one point three

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Speaker 2: million followers, get a two million. Yes, A lot of

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes content comes from my YouTube channel which

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Speaker 2: is at Cresta Shields one. I got one hundred and

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Speaker 2: forty k subscribers.

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Speaker 1: Amazing, so let's get it to you know a million too.

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Speaker 2: And then on Twitter, I think on Twitter and Facebook,

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Speaker 2: everything's at Cresta Shields. So everything with the blue check mark.

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Speaker 2: If the check mark is not blue, it's not me.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, thank you so much and good luck

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Speaker 1: with everything. And I'm still holding you to it. I'm

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Speaker 1: coming to train with you. Get my ass in shape.

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Speaker 1: I got you retiring in my the mindset I have.

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Speaker 1: I'm an athlete forever. Yes, how I move, how I

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Speaker 1: show up. Retirement doesn't make that stop. Let me be

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Speaker 1: very clear, Okay, I am an athlete through and through.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I need to get that. I mean, because I'm

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Speaker 2: just a fighter.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you guys next week on another episode of

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Speaker 1: Wide Open with Ashland Harris. Wide Open with Ashland Harris

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Speaker 1: is an iHeart women's sports production. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. Our producers are Carmen Borca Correo, Emily Maronoff,

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Speaker 1: and Lucy Jones. Production assistants from Malia Aguidello. Our executive

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Speaker 1: producers are Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder. Our

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Speaker 1: editors are Jenny Kaplan and Emily Rudder and I'm your

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Speaker 1: Host Ashlan Harris