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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: We've got a great program for you tonight. Baby Carmichael

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Speaker 2: with us, author of the Prayer of Freedom and a

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Speaker 2: long time entrepreneur who has spent years studying the spiritual

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Speaker 2: laws found in ancient Biblical texts and how they relate

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Speaker 2: to persistent emotional, rational, and physical struggles, including the role

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Speaker 2: of demonic influence and recurring destructive patterns. Through his work

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Speaker 2: with more than a thousand people, he has developed a

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Speaker 2: practical framework for identifying those patterns and understanding the spiritual

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Speaker 2: forces that may be driving them. Baby, welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: Good to have you with us.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, George. Great to be here.

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Speaker 2: How did this all start for you?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: God, sorry, putting on my heart to go pray for

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Speaker 4: people for healing. I had no idea what that was

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Speaker 4: all about. I started to do it, people started to

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Speaker 4: get healed. Then he started to take me in and

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Speaker 4: casting demons out. And one step led to another, and

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Speaker 4: here I am. It's just kind of a kind of

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Speaker 4: a weird story. I can go deeper, but that's kind

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Speaker 4: of the thumbnail sketch of it.

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Speaker 2: Tell us the weird part. I'd love to hear it.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know the.

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Speaker 4: Weird part, the weird part. I grew up as a cessationist.

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Speaker 4: My church said, none of that stuff happens. God doesn't

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Speaker 4: want people healed. And then God prompted me one day

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Speaker 4: to just go out. I prayed for eighteen people. I

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Speaker 4: look for people that were in pain. Six of them

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Speaker 4: were instantly healed RSD, which is a neuropathy, chronic pain,

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Speaker 4: all kinds of things like that. Within a year, ninety

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Speaker 4: percent of the people that I was praying for were

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Speaker 4: being healed. I'm seeing blind eyes open, deaf ears open,

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Speaker 4: all kinds of sciatica and joint pain and back pain

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Speaker 4: and surgery wounds, macular degeneration, gla coma, all those type

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Speaker 4: of things reversed. During that time, God started to create

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Speaker 4: a real interest in my heart to get involved with deliverance.

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Speaker 4: I didn't understand it, but this is kind of funny.

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Speaker 4: I would stay up at night, you know, you go

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Speaker 4: to bed. Most people kind of wind down watching something easier,

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Speaker 4: reading a magazine.

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Speaker 2: Listening to the show right.

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Speaker 4: Listening to this show exactly, and I stayed up in

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Speaker 4: bed thirty minutes to wind down watching deliverance sessions on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: You know, the demons going like that and the.

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Speaker 4: Pastor going get out in Jesus' name, and my wife

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Speaker 4: hated it.

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Speaker 3: I loved it and put me to sleep.

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Speaker 4: And then my first deliverance, this lady called me up

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Speaker 4: and someone that I'd pray for over at Walmart earlier,

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Speaker 4: and she said, can you come over and help me?

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Speaker 4: I have demons And I said, yeah, I can do that.

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Speaker 4: So we went over there and this was a full

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Speaker 4: on manifestation, you know, where the demon actually takes over

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Speaker 4: the person's body. It starts to the eyes change, the

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Speaker 4: voice changes. Uh, the person goes into a trance and uh,

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Speaker 4: and it's just me and the demons. And it was

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Speaker 4: kind of an interesting experience, you know, throw throw me

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Speaker 4: in on the deep end on the first time. So

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Speaker 4: that's how I got here and uh and the rest

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Speaker 4: is history.

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Speaker 2: How did your spirituality develop? Did your parents help you

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Speaker 2: out there?

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Speaker 3: You know, I grew up going to church.

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Speaker 4: I started to recognize that Jesus was real in high school.

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Speaker 4: I gave my life to him, kind of committed my

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Speaker 4: life that direction. But it really wasn't until college was

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Speaker 4: the next phase, getting out into the workforce, and I

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Speaker 4: just kept pressing in there's something about God, something about

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Speaker 4: just about faith and seeing him work in my life.

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Speaker 4: He started to do a lot of not miraculous things,

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Speaker 4: but things that would prove his existence. Like you know,

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Speaker 4: we were I was. I was an unemployed dad, We

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Speaker 4: had a baby in diapers. My wife was a stay

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Speaker 4: at home mom. We were she was pregnant with our

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Speaker 4: second child. I had no income that year, and God

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Speaker 4: started to just produce money for us to cover all

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Speaker 4: of our bills and we It was just interesting. But

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Speaker 4: He started to take me over the year, step by

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Speaker 4: step and understanding that his word in the Bible is true,

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Speaker 4: that you can count on it. And then as he

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Speaker 4: started to move me in this direction, working with healing,

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Speaker 4: working with demons and things of that sort. Most of

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Speaker 4: the source material of what I do is straight from

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Speaker 4: the Bible, just applying it, and so that's that's kind

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Speaker 4: of how it happened. It started, I guess, with mom

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Speaker 4: it became real progressively since high school.

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Speaker 2: Baby tell us, in your opinion, what a demon might be.

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Speaker 4: So real interesting in the Living Bible, Paul tells us

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Speaker 4: it's in Ephesian six twelve. It says that we do

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Speaker 4: not battle against people of flesh and blood, but persons

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Speaker 4: without bodies. So if you think about a human, we're

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Speaker 4: technically you know, essentially, we're a soul in a body. Okay,

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Speaker 4: we have a spirit, but just looking at the soul

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Speaker 4: and body, the soul is who we are. The body

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Speaker 4: is this physical thing that we operate in the earth.

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Speaker 4: When we die, our soul still lives. So you know

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Speaker 4: your grandmother is still alive in their soul. A demon

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Speaker 4: is almost like the soul. It's not a person, it's

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Speaker 4: not like a deceased person, but it's a spiritual entity.

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Speaker 4: It's God, a mind, will emotions, it thinks, it remembers.

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Speaker 4: It just doesn't have a human body. And then they

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Speaker 4: like to inhabit humans and live out their urges. If

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Speaker 4: you go a little bit deeper, you can basically define

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Speaker 4: a demon as a person of pure sin. There's no

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Speaker 4: good in it, like addiction. It is a demon spirit.

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Speaker 4: Anxiety usually a demon spirit. So you have these things,

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Speaker 4: and all they do is they manifest these problems, but

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Speaker 4: they're one hundred percent sin, very evil and they're very crafty.

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Speaker 5: But I know you're going to want some them after

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Speaker 5: hearing this. This is an amazing story. We've got Stephen

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Speaker 5: and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand. Now I understand

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Speaker 5: that Malachi, who's eight almost nine years old now, was

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Speaker 5: suffering with not just one or two warts, but I

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Speaker 5: mean as significant outbreak of warts all over his body,

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Speaker 5: so significant it impacted his ability to really function.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pencil to

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Speaker 7: right tis book.

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Speaker 6: Actually that got me thinking about it. I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 5: It is an amazing immuno modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 5: see that it would work. And so at what point

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Speaker 5: did you see that there was actually improvement It's really

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Speaker 5: going to work.

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Speaker 7: Well, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 7: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller,

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Speaker 7: and then going down to the wh just little red marks.

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Speaker 7: The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 7: you know one the size of the warner. I thought,

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Speaker 7: no way, that's gonna wow. It's just been miraculous to

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Speaker 7: see them get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 6: It's great to see him so happy and yeah.

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Speaker 5: Compident, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 6: Friends that have seen it that is blown away. TI,

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Speaker 6: this is awesome, Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: Should we fear demons?

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Speaker 4: Now, that's a good question. If you are if you

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Speaker 4: have no legal rights, no open doors.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: But if you have and we get into this, but

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Speaker 4: if you have a bundan, if you have open doors, yes,

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Speaker 4: because they're the ones that, like I teach at a

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Speaker 4: women's addiction Recovery center is the largest one in America

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Speaker 4: except we house five hundred women. So they're dealing with addictions,

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Speaker 4: mental illnesses, chronic pains, and almost all of that is demonic.

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Speaker 4: They've opened doors, those things have come in and destroyed

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Speaker 4: their lives. I guide them how to close those doors,

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Speaker 4: and in thirty days, most of those women are completely

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Speaker 3: So you don't have to fear them.

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Speaker 4: But you have to be you know. They say what

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Speaker 4: you don't know won't hurt you. Well, when you're talking

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Speaker 4: about spiritual warfare and demons, what you don't know will

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Speaker 2: There's the old book called about Doctor Faustus where he

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Speaker 2: sold his soul to the devil and then when the

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Speaker 2: time came to give it up, he didn't want to

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Speaker 2: do that. Do some people do that?

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Speaker 3: They do?

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Speaker 4: The interesting thing is is Satan will lie, So while

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Speaker 4: he makes a deal with you, the question is does

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Speaker 4: he have the authority to carry out that deal. As

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Speaker 4: long as you believe it, he's got the authority. But

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Speaker 4: and then they become Christians. They've turned to Christ and

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Speaker 4: gotten free of all that. So it's not permanent. But

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Speaker 2: Baby, what creates the demon in the first place?

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Speaker 4: You know, no one really knows. But one of the

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Speaker 4: top Catholic extressiest describes demons as part of the fallen angels,

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Speaker 4: say they're probably the fallen angels. So you know, this

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Speaker 4: goes back when Lucifer was before Satan. He was Lucifer,

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Speaker 4: he had a lot of authority in God's kingdom, and

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Speaker 4: became demons. That's what I think is going on.

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Speaker 2: Are demons free to do whatever they want or are

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Speaker 2: they somewhat controllable?

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Speaker 4: They are not free. They are probably one of the

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Speaker 4: most highly restricted and governed entities you have in the

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Speaker 4: spiritual realm. But they appear to be free to do

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Speaker 4: what they want against us because we don't understand the

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Speaker 4: by God. In fact, if you look at just kind

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Speaker 4: of what the Bible describes, Jesus says that all authority

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Speaker 4: Satans and the demons are subsurd that authority, so they're

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Speaker 4: highly restricted. I remember one guy was sharing a story.

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Speaker 4: He was interrogating this demon and It was kind of

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Speaker 4: a funny thing for him because most of the demons

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Speaker 4: that he deals with, they're highly they're they're possessing the

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Speaker 4: person's motor controls and controlling them. But this particular one

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Speaker 4: was just creating pain in this person's lower back. And

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Speaker 4: he was interrogating the demon, said why are you there,

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Speaker 4: and the demon kind of in a very frustrated response, said,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Christ told me to be right here.

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Speaker 4: I hate it, but I have to do this one thing.

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Speaker 3: So they're very regulated.

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Speaker 4: They are regulated by the laws and by the authority

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Speaker 4: of God, but they they create chaos freely in our

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Speaker 4: chaos ensues and we just go, oh, my gosh, I

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Speaker 4: just had bad luck. But it's actually that demon that

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Speaker 2: Are the ambassadors of the Devil pretty much.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's all underneath Satan's control, you know. So

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Speaker 4: if you call the devil Satan, Satan is kind of

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Speaker 4: like the hierarchy of it, and they all.

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Speaker 3: Are underneath his authority.

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Speaker 2: What is their goal. What's their mission being?

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Speaker 4: To steal, kill, and destroy. They hate God, they hate

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Speaker 4: and the number one item of that creation is humans.

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Speaker 4: So most of their activity is simply to destroy mankind.

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Speaker 4: They love to go after the Jewish nation. They love

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Speaker 4: of what you see in the Bible, kind of like

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Speaker 4: But they destroy anyone that they can. Their whole goal

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Speaker 4: interrogated or I've watched the deliverances they're being interrogated is, uh,

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Speaker 4: they are assigned people to actually torment and they've got

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Speaker 4: it's really bad for them because Satan there's a whole

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Speaker 4: demons that bother us, they're kind of the runts. You know,

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Speaker 4: if you're looking at military establishment, they're the privates. You know,

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Speaker 4: they just get the dirty jobs.

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Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, what what is their mission in terms

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Speaker 2: of with individuals who are evil, serial killers, thugs, bad people.

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Speaker 2: What do they think of them?

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Speaker 3: Uh, they're the ones driving that. So this is the thing.

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Speaker 4: That is doing extreme violence, it's not them as much

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Speaker 4: not them. There's a spirit, of demonic spirit that's in

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Speaker 4: And so what you know, what happens is when a

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Speaker 4: then the demon goes down, the person comes back up

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Speaker 4: have any recall. They said, you know, I don't know

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Speaker 4: guy's got this bloody knife in his hand, and he

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Speaker 4: doesn't know what happened because whatever occurred was a demon

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Speaker 4: he was disengaged from his being, and then when it

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