1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing position and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode forty two. We're going 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: to be talking about getting through challenging times. We've all 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: had those crazy busy stretches or difficult stretches, and we 13 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: want to talk about how we can cope, what we 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: can learn from them, what we can do differently make 15 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: life doable. And this was sort of triggered because we 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: were originally planning on doing this episode on planning makeovers, 17 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: and Sarah is in the process of doing planning makeovers 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: and hopefully eventually making a longer project about her approach 19 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: to planning. And I know I cannot wait to read 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: that when she does it. But in the meantime, have 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: we mentioned that she's working at a very difficult job. 22 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: She is a five month old baby, So why don't 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: you talk about that, Sarah. Yeah, so it's funny you 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: mentioned the planning makeovers. I did do four planning makeovers. 25 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: I did like thirty minute sessions via Skype with some 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: people I selected, and we'll talk more about in the future. 27 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: But really that project has had to hit the back burner, 28 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: as things do sometimes, because life has been a little 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: full lately and it's been challenging. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. 30 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: There have been many frantic texts sent to my husband 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: like oh my god, I can't do this, and you 32 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: know I can do this, and there have been things 33 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: that worked and things that haven't. But I figured that 34 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: might be a more appropriate thing to talk about right now, 35 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: since I'm really going in the thick of it. Yeah, yeah, 36 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: I mean we always start with a lighter, banter opener. 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: I guess we're going to get to that in a minute. 38 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: I was like, already diving right in. You were diving 39 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: right in. The school year is also winding down, yes, 40 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: which is good. Maybe that will help with some of 41 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 1: those challenging times because did you ever notice at the 42 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: end of the year seems to come with like fifty 43 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: different costumes you have to purchase and things that you 44 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: have to add, And yeah, it's kind of nuts because 45 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: you guys have what you have, like the ballet. Yeah, 46 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,679 Speaker 1: well we just finished our last ballet performance, maybe ever, 47 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: so that was exciting. We have a gymnastic show coming up, 48 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah maybe ever Genevieve will want to do it and 49 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 1: then see, you'll be right back in so you're probably right. 50 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: And you know what, we already have a uniforms and bags, 51 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: so there you go. That'll be a little easier. No, 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: so we'd had the ballet show, we have a drama show, 53 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: we have gymnastics show. It definitely. You know, people always 54 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: talk about how bigger kids, bigger problems, et cetera. And 55 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: I laugh at that, but it is true. Bigger kids, 56 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: more scheduled events. That is true. That is true. So 57 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't. Oh, the school year's kind of come into 58 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: a head and I've started to think about things I 59 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: would like to do differently for the next school year. 60 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: I've already come up with a few things, like I 61 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: think that next year I want to schedule a family 62 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: trip for spring break, because this year that kind of 63 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: came around and it was like, oh, and the truth is, 64 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: I actually didn't. You had a three month old at 65 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: that time. I had a three month old and I 66 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: had no paid leave left, so actually, yeah, exactly. It 67 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: wasn't like I forgot exactly, but I was also sort 68 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: of sad, like it felt a little anti climactic for Annabelle, 69 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: especially all of her classmates seem to be headed on 70 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: these fun adventures and I was just, you know, going 71 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: to work. And I did send her to like a 72 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: day art camp for a couple of days, but nothing elaborate. 73 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: So this year, I want to really plan ahead and 74 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: we're thinking about some options. And then the other thing, 75 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: well two things. I do not want to have so 76 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: many kid activities on the weekend, which is one reason 77 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 1: I really thrilled the ballet is over because it was 78 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: every Saturday at ten thirty. But it's really hard to 79 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: park there, so basically it ate up the entire morning 80 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: from creating her bun frantically finding a parking space in 81 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: South Beach to taking there, to waiting with one or 82 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: both kids, to finishing to sometimes going to lunch. It 83 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: literally like Saturday morning was gone, which sometimes that's a 84 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 1: good thing, but it was a little much, so less 85 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: stuff on the weekends. And then finally, if everyone remembers, 86 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: I lamented about the lack of a school supply box 87 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,919 Speaker 1: last year, Well, this year I ordered the school supply box. 88 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: Already got mad checked out of anything for first grade 89 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: I've done. I ordered it in one click. I don't 90 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: care if it costs like ten to twenty percent more 91 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: or whatever. It probably doesn't. Honestly, it's a watch. So 92 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled it would take you that much time to 93 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: track all that stuff. Yeah, exactly, I'm sure it's actually 94 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: cheaper from that perspective, exactly. So what about you, anything 95 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: you want to do differently for next year? Well, we 96 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: know that stuff is gonna be a lot different next 97 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: year from a sheer logistical perspective, in that I will 98 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: have a child in middle school next year, which is 99 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: kind of nutty. Oh my goodness, yeah, it is kind Yeah, 100 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 1: so he's just talk to eleven. He's starting sixth grade 101 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: next year. But this year we had three kids in 102 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: one school, in elementary school, you know, in kindergarten, second grade, 103 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: and fifth grade. Next year we will have four children 104 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: in three different schools. So going from going school to 105 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: three schools is in and of itself an event. Because 106 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: my youngest is starting preschool next year. I actually held 107 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: him out for like a year longer than I really 108 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: needed to because of you know the reality of not, yeah, 109 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: the logistics, not wanting to have another school with all 110 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: the you know, conferences and events and all that stuff. 111 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 1: So but that has to end at some point. So 112 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: three schools next year. The middle school will obviously have 113 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: different hours than the elementary school, so we'll have to 114 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: sort that out, you know, I would like to. I 115 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: think the activities thing has been challenging this year and 116 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: it's just going to be worse because the kids have 117 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,799 Speaker 1: stuff they love to do. I mean that's just you know, kids, 118 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: and it seems like the older kids get the time 119 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: commitment for each activity tends to go up. I mean, 120 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: of course there's some control over that, like you can 121 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: decide whether to do this super intense travel team or not, 122 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: but to some extent, some things do go from like 123 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: one practice a week to two and that's just yeah. 124 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: So I mean, well, we'll have to think about that. 125 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: I know, there may need to be extra driving help. 126 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: And because I don't think that I will be able 127 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: to do it all or that our nanny will be 128 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 1: able to do it all. And if I'm not here, 129 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: then you know, we need another person. And even when 130 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: I am here sometimes the fact that I can't schedule 131 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: anything between like four and six thirty at night kind 132 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: of limits my my calendar a bit. So you know, 133 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: So there's that we're thinking through the trip stuff too. 134 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: We had we had a really cool spring break trip, 135 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: so that was good. But I think we have a 136 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: couple of sort of winter options of long weekends that 137 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 1: when you're in this part of the country, getting away 138 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 1: from this part of the country is an awesome thing 139 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: to do during that time of year. So we're actually 140 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: looking at doing a Disney trip in February since we 141 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 1: have like a four and a half day President's Day weekend. Right, 142 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: I will say we went that particular weekend on Cameron's 143 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: birthday in twenty seventeen. It is a crowded weekend. Throwing 144 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: that out right out there. Okay, well, actually, to be honest, 145 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: all the parks are fine, except Magic Kingdom was like 146 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: a zoos So maybe if you strategical there that day. 147 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: So we'll go on this Thursday Friday, which we will 148 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: have that other people don't have. I mean people have Monday, Yes, 149 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: people don't have Thursday and Friday. So that's my we're 150 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: gonna go, I think to the Magic Kingdom on that 151 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: and then but that's all getting started out with the 152 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: travel agent because I don't want to do it. That 153 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 1: is a great time Weatherwi it's to go. Oh my goodness, 154 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So you know, I don't know, I think 155 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: I've there's been a lot of stuff with figuring out 156 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: in terms of the sixth grade transition. Maybe we'll have 157 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: to talk more about this later, but yeah, I think 158 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 1: we need like a tween episode. We did wind up 159 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: getting him the phone now has a phone to talk 160 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: about all that. Uh So no, that's its own separate 161 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: episode probably the uh but just I mean, I remember 162 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: middle school as being tough on many dimensions, and I 163 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: had not a great middle school experience for my seventh 164 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: and eighth grade years. In particular, sixth grade was great, 165 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: but I went to a different school. We moved for 166 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: seventh and night. It's hard to tease out like what 167 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: was because we moved and what was just that it 168 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: was a crappy school, like I mean I hated middle 169 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: school too. I hated you know, like what can you 170 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, But my son's middle school. I mean, 171 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: we've heard mixed things about it, but we have we 172 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: have done some serious put He's now in several programs 173 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: that I'm more excited about. So we we really like 174 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,479 Speaker 1: worked on the maths. So he's now on the accelerated 175 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: math program, so that's good. He's doing this like art 176 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: program that is actually a multidisciplinary program that's multiple periods 177 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 1: per day, so he's with the same lands for like 178 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: four of the periods per day and with two teachers 179 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: who are really like excited about the program. So you know, 180 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: it's like that took an application too. So yeah, but 181 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: I have a theory that it's actually cool to be 182 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: nerdier now than it was when we were kids, So 183 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: our kids might do better, that's true, well in general 184 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: than I am as well, So who knows. But yeah, 185 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 1: I am just hoping he has a good experience. I'm 186 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: I have other kids I'm less concerned about with that 187 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: sort of thing. This My oldest is a bit more sensitive, 188 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: So I'm really happy that all that stuff came out. 189 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, oh my goodness, well to the extent that 190 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: you were able to share. And it's true as your 191 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: kids become older, the less it feels cool to, you know, detail, 192 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 1: going to detail about them. But I'm sure people will 193 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: be interested on how it's going, at least on a 194 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: general level. Of course. Well I'll go to that kids 195 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: in different different ends of the spectr. Yeah, we need 196 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: a tween episode and then and now we should talk 197 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: about life. Life. No really, I mean, okay, I will 198 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,120 Speaker 1: step back and just say the last two months have 199 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: been really, really challenging, and I was analyzing that this morning, 200 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: and I think there's been kind of a number of 201 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: factors and many of which are going to get better. 202 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: So when I put it onto paper, it made me 203 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: realize that this really is a phase and certain things 204 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: are going to improve, and certain things I probably need 205 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: to take more charge over, or maybe I've already done 206 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: that in the last couple of weeks. So Genevieve is 207 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: five months and a few days old, and she is 208 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: so cute. She's a big little chunker with big cheeks, 209 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: and she's super smiling and she's rolling. She still is 210 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: not one of those magical sleepers that you hear about 211 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: those mythical babies. I actually have a friend who we 212 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: text all the time, and her baby is almost too much. 213 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: It's younger than Genevieve, and her baby is always doing 214 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: like you know, going to bed at seven and then 215 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: eating once and then waking up at like eight am. 216 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I was like, this friend was sent 217 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: just to torment you. I think I think she might 218 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: have and I love her, but oh my god. So 219 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: you know, Genevieve a good night like last night was awesome, 220 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: which means I put her about at like seven seven 221 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: fifteen or so. She woke up at ten thirty. I 222 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 1: gave her the passy and she slept until one thirty, 223 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my, like that's amazing for her. 224 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: She woke up at five thirty, she ate at one thirty, 225 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: she ate at five thirty, and then she was up 226 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: at six forty five. Like that was a fantastic night. 227 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: So if that gives you a baseline, so it's you know, 228 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: it's tiring. I'm still doing the pumping thing. I've oddly 229 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: not stressed about it as much. And I'd love to say, 230 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: oh that's because I came to some zen acceptance place, 231 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: but it's actually just because it's going better. I guess 232 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: she's eating a little bit more. It seems like I'm 233 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 1: keeping up. She seems happy, so that has not taken 234 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: up as much mental space, just because you know, when 235 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: it works, okay, I don't have to think about it 236 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 1: that much, So I'm just I'm trying not to think 237 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: about it. I'm sort of like every day, one day 238 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: at a time, pumping at it. Right, so you're only 239 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: pumping at work? Oh yes, I quit pumping at five am. 240 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that was huge. So I just pump 241 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: at work and then sometimes I pump at nine pm 242 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: because I realized I don't actually find that so horrible. 243 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: And she usually reliably sleeps until midnight or so now, 244 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: so for me to like strap that thing on and 245 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: watch a show and eat gelato at the same time 246 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: is not like the worst thing in the world. So pumping, yeah, 247 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: because trying to keep up your freezer supply so well, 248 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: not even just a freezer, but like if she eats 249 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: like eleven or twelve ounces during the day and I 250 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: come home from work with nine and a half, and 251 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: I know those sound really low, but honestly, I think 252 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: she just makes up for tonight then I can, you know, 253 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: get up to eleven or twelve and have enough for 254 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: the next day and not even have to worry about 255 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: the freezer or worry that I'm gradually falling behind just 256 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: by doing that extra couple of ounces. And because I 257 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: don't find that nearly as unpleasant as getting up at 258 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: five am, it's been a good compromise. Now I don't 259 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: get the yield that I would get at five am, 260 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: but like I don't care. I'm over it. Yeah whatever, 261 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: So I guess I have reached a little bit more 262 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: of an acceptance place, but it's hard to know if 263 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: that's just because it's it's working out okay, So that's 264 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: still challenging, and fitting that in at work is hard, 265 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: and work has gotten really ramped up, and that's I 266 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: think for three reasons. Number one, there's a backlog, Like 267 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: there's all these patients that kind of like stretched out 268 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: their appointment because they didn't want to see my NP, 269 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,839 Speaker 1: which is okay, it's not because they didn't want to 270 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:22,200 Speaker 1: see me NP. They just want to see me because 271 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: they know me and it's easier. But then they're kind 272 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: of there and they've got like all the stuff. So 273 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: the appointments take longer, but I have less time for 274 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: them because I want And so it's just work is 275 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: very busy. Our residency starts in a month, like our 276 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: residents are actually going to be here in five weeks, 277 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: so there's just so much more to do for that 278 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: and less time to do it. So it's those two 279 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: things plus the pumping at work kind of taking away hours, 280 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: so that means I just end up with more that 281 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: overflows onto the weekends, et cetera. And that's just been 282 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 1: how do you build in the pumping to the day, 283 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: So will you schedule what I scheduled my patients around 284 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: my pumping, So I put the same number of patients, 285 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 1: which is honestly a mistake. I should have just said 286 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: to my manager, Listen, can I be slight slacker over 287 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: the next you know, five months or something, and can 288 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: you just forgive me and handle it? And it probably 289 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: would have been fine, but I didn't. I was sort 290 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: of like, I'm going to see just as many or 291 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: more patients with my pumping schedule, so I kind of 292 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: regret that visit, but I me, yeah, isn't that interesting? 293 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: So I just kind of see like one or three 294 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: patients and then I pump, and I see like four 295 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: more and then I pump, So I kind of just 296 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: build it in. But the thing is that was time 297 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 1: I used to spend doing the notes, and now half 298 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 1: the time I can't get the notes done. So then 299 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: I end up with like, right now I have like 300 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: ten notes I have to do on my day off, 301 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: or I'll have to do it on the weekend. So 302 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: just kind of like builds like that's been a big pressure, 303 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 1: and that's one reason that eventually losing the pumping will 304 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: make things easier. Yeah, do you have a target for 305 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: that or I can't. I'm moving it because I don't know. 306 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: Like I was going to say six months, and now 307 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, well that's only a month away and it's 308 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: going okay. So I'm just at this point, honestly, I'm 309 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: taking it one day at a time, and there's going 310 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: to become a breaking point when I'm like, you know what, 311 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: or maybe I'll just go from like three pumps to 312 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: two pumps or something like that. But things are a 313 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: little bit better now, and I guess the reason for 314 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: that is that I've just well I got rid of 315 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: the five am pump, which helps I've decided what was 316 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: non negotiable, and for me, that is exercise, Like I 317 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: have to do something, and I've found some more efficient 318 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: ways to exercise. It's this podcast. I really like. It's 319 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: a priority for me. I don't. It doesn't take that 320 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: much time and it adds so much. It's just really 321 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: fun and it's going somewhere, and it's I don't want 322 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: to lose that. And things that are not priorities like 323 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: I've gotten rid of. We're not tracking our budget as 324 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: much anymore. We haven't been going on date nights, which 325 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: sounds really bad, but it's not that we haven't been 326 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: spending the time. It's just that we haven't done these 327 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: like elaborate things where you go out to dinner and 328 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: spend a couple hours. Instead, it's like, you know what, 329 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: I'd rather have childcare during the day so I can 330 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: catch up on my notes and then like watch a 331 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: TV show after the kids are in bed and hang 332 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: out a little bit and that is almost as good 333 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: and actually cheaper than going out to fancy dinner with 334 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 1: a baby. Not tracking the budget, but you're not spending 335 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: the money either, So it's all so I guess they've 336 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 1: found some checks and balances a little bit. I have 337 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: not been blogging as much and I miss that, but 338 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: it's okay. And I think about the fact that the 339 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: blogs I love most, I don't care when they disappear 340 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: for a little bit. I'm just happy when they come back, 341 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: and I don't stop reading. And most people read on 342 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: feeds anyway, so it's not like they're gonna give up 343 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: clicking and forget about me. They won't. I keep I 344 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: keep clicking over to see if there's any We're technologically stupid, like, 345 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some way where i'd get alerted when 346 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: you put up something new, and then I could go 347 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: a check. But I'm like, oh, well, maybe should Well 348 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: if anybody listening is not using a feed reader like 349 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: feed Lee, that does definitely help you to call together 350 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: the blogs that you love. So maybe that'll have to 351 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: be a Love of the Week someday. Once I figured 352 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: that out, putting this same card in my son's phone 353 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: was like the extent of what I can take on 354 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: in the next month. No, that's absolutely that's that's that's 355 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: pretty good. A SIM card in your sound's phone. I see, 356 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: I just learned that there was a SIM card. Like 357 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: a month ago. I was like, there's this little thing 358 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: that goes into your Yeah, so I'm just as bad. 359 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess I've just been sort of prioritizing, 360 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: deciding what needs to happen and what doesn't, occasionally screeching 361 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: to my husband, who then tells like he's the one 362 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: who was like, why don't you just stop tracking the budget? 363 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, point. And he's been I 364 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: mean I've been asking specifically for help from him and 365 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: he absolutely does it. Like I asked him to go 366 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: to the ATM and he went to the you know, 367 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: little things like that. Like I think he's made a 368 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: special point that if I ask him to do something 369 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: once like I haven't had to remind him, he does it. 370 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: He's taken on lots of little things that have been helpful. 371 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,679 Speaker 1: So that's that's good. Yeah, I mean, well, you know, 372 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: you're feeding a human being, I know, your own stuff. 373 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: That's the one thing I can't outsource. And I think 374 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: it is true. I have to keep reminding him. He's like, 375 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: why don't you take a whole day at a coffee shop. 376 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, with a punk like that, you know 377 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: there's that that's there is that it just doesn't go 378 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: away until I decide it's time, which I don't know that, 379 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 1: which yeah, I mean that's a choice as well, and 380 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 1: it is it is, but I feel like my blog 381 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: will be there, and again, like the it's not like 382 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: I have to give that up completely and the balances 383 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: it's about right right now, I think even if it's hard, 384 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: Well'm glad that the podcast hasn't disappeared her we would 385 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: have been getting a lot of solo Laura episodes through 386 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: to no. I really really, I really like doing it. 387 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm so excited for some of the upcoming episodes we 388 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: have with some of the guests we have planned and 389 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: even some of the just discussions we have. And we're 390 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: going to talk about your book next week, which, by 391 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: the way, everyone, now I've gotten a chance to read it. 392 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: It's so good, Like I'm not just saying that. And 393 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: I was worried. I was worried I'd have to go 394 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: on here and say that I loved it when I didn't. 395 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: But like, I really really really loved it, like you should. 396 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 1: Like I was sending emails to my husband like, oh 397 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: my god, Laura's book, Like I love it seriously, it 398 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 1: has another dimension to it than the things that Laura 399 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: writes about on her blog and that we talk about. 400 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: There's a lot more kind of examples. There's a deeper 401 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: aspect to it, Like I feel like, you know, we're 402 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: going to talk about it in more detail in an 403 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: upcoming episode, but I think a lot of our listeners 404 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: will find it kind of inspiring to just make the 405 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 1: most of their time in a not not just in 406 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: that concrete like timesaver hack kind of a way, but 407 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: more in how you're thinking about time. So I highly 408 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: suggest if you're listening to this when we're recording it, 409 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: you can actually go ahead and pre order it and 410 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,399 Speaker 1: then you'll get it, by the way, yes, off the clock, 411 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: and it's definitely available in multiple venues. I got I 412 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: actually Laura sent me a copy, but I also pre 413 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: ordered one on Amazon, and I pre ordered a gift 414 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: from my mom on Amazon because the pre orders do help, 415 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: and then you'll get it the day it comes out. 416 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: So well, thank you. I'm glad. I'm glad you like it, 417 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: like honestly, honestly over at me if you want, I'll 418 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: be willing to take that. But no, it was it 419 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: was a fun one to write, and yeah, a little 420 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,920 Speaker 1: bit different from from the others, but I mean got 421 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: to at some point because you can only write the 422 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: same topics. No, it's got concrete stuff in it, but 423 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: I feel like it's less its a it has a more, 424 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: it's a little deeper, and I think that's really cool. Yeah, yeah, 425 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: but you're still you're reading some other things too, write like, yeah, 426 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: so I was gonna say, and this kind of does 427 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: link to some things you said in my book. But 428 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: I am trying to kind of focus on the things 429 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: even if I feel overwhelmed, I'm focusing on I'm trying 430 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: to really as I'm doing one activity, I'm trying not 431 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: to think of everything else, and I'm trying to focus 432 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: on the fact that I am getting to enjoy certain things. 433 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: And as I sat down to write this, this included reading, 434 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: which while I'm not reading like the seventeen books I 435 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: read during from January to March, I read six books 436 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: since I went back to work, which is like three 437 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: a month, which is not terrible. Four novels and two nonfiction. 438 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: I'm about to start my seventh because I have a 439 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: book club coming up, and you know, I'm trying to 440 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 1: make that pumping time more pleasant by reading as I've 441 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: talked about, it can't work very well because I need 442 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: my hands, but I don't really need my hands to read, 443 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: even though I need them to chart. So it's been 444 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: that's nice. I have been exercising, and I've been trying 445 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: to like just really focus on the workouts while I'm 446 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: doing them, so that I am not, you know, thinking 447 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 1: about the five things I could be doing, but instead 448 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: like just be in that exercise. And I've just been 449 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: putting a few fun things in the calendar so I 450 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: have little things to look forward to, and tried not 451 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: to think about the charts that are hanging there while 452 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing them, because I do think some of this 453 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: is mindset, and the more I can just be in 454 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: each thing I'm doing and not think about what may 455 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: not be happening, the better off I am during this time. 456 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: So I think that's been one of my kind of 457 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: survival tactics. Yeah, and you've been you said you're asking 458 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: for more help on the on the home front, and 459 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: then also some at work too, right, I mean that 460 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 1: they're yes, Yeah, I mean it's we're supposed to be 461 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: invincible as doctors, but I think times are changing and 462 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: we're allowed to admit that we're struggling a little more, 463 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: and I definitely kind of let my staff know, like 464 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: I'm really having trouble keeping up with the phone calls. 465 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: I need to be able to batch the phone calls. 466 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: And you know, one of the nurses yesterday was even 467 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,400 Speaker 1: like I think she sensed a little bit of discord. 468 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, make a list, I'll 469 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: call your growth patients, like I can do that, I 470 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: can give bone age results like it's fine. And she 471 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 1: was right because at that particular time, she had some 472 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: time and I really didn't. So you know, even though 473 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: that's not a part of her official job description, she 474 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: felt like she could take on a little bit to 475 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: help me temporarily. And I think, you know, the fact 476 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: that our workplace, we do really like each other, and 477 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: we care about each other, and we listen to each 478 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: other and we're real with each other, has enabled it 479 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: so that she volunteered to do that, Whereas I think 480 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: if everyone was just kind of, you know, out for themselves, 481 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: if that was more of our work culture, I'd struggle. 482 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: But luckily, yeah, I was able to get that help. 483 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: And the daytime babysitting on a couple of weekends has 484 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: been incredibly helpful. Notes done too, right, Yeah, I can 485 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: get some of notes done. I can let Josh work 486 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: guilt free while I'm working. You know that neither of 487 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: us have to worry that we're dumping on the other. 488 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: It's enabled me to do things one on one with 489 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: some of the kids, which is which is nice because 490 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: I really feel like they've needed that, especially Cameron lately. 491 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: And as I said, it's so funny. I was thinking 492 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: about the cost of it, and if you add up 493 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: the cost of a fancy dinner plus babysitting for that dinner, 494 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: it far exceeds the cost of like eight hours of 495 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: daytime babysitting. And this was like, I mean far, cause 496 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: if you're I mean using real numbers, if you're paying 497 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: somebody twenty dollars an hour, if you go out to 498 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: a really really nice dinner and it's one hundred and 499 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: fifty or even I mean, this is Miami Beach, it's 500 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 1: not going to be cheap. So let's say it's one 501 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty or two hundred plus maybe five hours 502 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 1: of babysitting. That's another one hundred. That's three hundred versus 503 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: eight hours of twenty dollars an hour babysitting is one 504 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty and then you can do Netflix with 505 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: your husband, put the kids to bed, have a nice 506 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: dinner with the kids at home. Even adding the price 507 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: of takeout to that, you still come out ahead. So 508 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: I guess I'm sort of challenging some assumptions as to 509 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 1: what's worth it and what's not. No, it's definitely having 510 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 1: that extra help and at a time when you don't 511 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: normally have it. I think it's just this mental shift 512 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: is key, because yeah, it would be stressful if like 513 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: he's on call and you're like I still have work 514 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: to do too, Like why is he working and I'm not, 515 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: and you know, I have this stuff to get done, 516 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: and it can be a very big source of tension 517 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: as well, exactly. So throw money at the money problem 518 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: and then just don't do your budget app for a while, 519 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: and honestly, I think it would come out Okay, I 520 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: really do things. Things are going to balance out in 521 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: the long run. And as I mentioned, you know what, 522 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: in ten years, I probably will almost never need any childcare, 523 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: and Laura, in just a few years, you may not 524 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: have much childcare think about, and you may have an 525 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: extra driver in your house in about five years. You know, 526 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: the teenage drivers are their own separate issue. I don't 527 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: know if anyone who I mean, we we are these 528 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: at different times when we record him, but I know 529 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,959 Speaker 1: some of our listeners also read the Frugal Girls blog. 530 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: She's got a very popular Blog's her poor, So it's 531 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: not his fault. This is the worst thing. I mean, 532 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: it was nice. You always think of these, like, you know, 533 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: teenage boy drivers, like the oh terrible cosingal sorts of pump. 534 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: It's not he He was in an act andident. They 535 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: got insurance money to get a new like the car 536 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: was totaled. He got a new or not new, but 537 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 1: a new used car. He was parked in their like house, 538 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: like not on the street, and a school bus ran 539 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: into his car and like totaled it again. So I'm 540 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: just like, oh my gosh, unreal. Well, animal has asked 541 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 1: me if she will learn to drive or if there 542 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: will be self driving cars by the time she turned sixteen. 543 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: Entirely different thing. I hadn't even thought about that it 544 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: could happen by the time, but it could actually happen. 545 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: We got ten years it could happen. It'd probably be saying, yeah, yeah, 546 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: well that's uh, that's something to think about in terms 547 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: of helping us in these these crunched times. And you know, 548 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: I mean i've you you asked if I had had 549 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: any of these you know, challenges. Yeah, what have been 550 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: your challenging times? Aside from middle school, which we discussed. 551 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: You know, I think that the sort of crazed counting 552 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: minutes like do I have minutes to do X, Y 553 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: or Z. I mean I've had a few periods of 554 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: life where I felt that way. One was long before kids. 555 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: It was actually the fall of my senior year of 556 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: high school, just because I had so many activities going on. 557 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: I had a lot of really challenging courses I had 558 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: after being in a school district that was not that great. 559 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: By the way, I wound up going away for my 560 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: second my last two years of high school to a 561 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: boarding school. So it was like a very different phenomenon 562 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 1: for in terms of like challenge and everything else. And 563 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: you know, I also wound up applying to what seven colleges, 564 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: and this was before like the common app was being 565 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: used places. It was so seven like individual applications, and 566 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: I was doing all this other stuff like with newspaper 567 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: and dance and whatever else. And you know, it was 568 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: just I remember being like, you know, counting hours I 569 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: would minimally need to sleep, Like if I got up 570 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: at X time, could have studied for another hour for 571 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: a test that was you know, two days from now 572 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: to get that extra hour in. Plus you know, using 573 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: time I would have been eating for doing a project. 574 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: It was just like a fairly intense time until that 575 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: all got done. And at that age, did you have 576 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: good coping strategies, because well, I hadn't developed them. I mean, 577 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, there were probably some some unhealthy coping strategies too, 578 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: because you're a teenager. But it was when I transferred 579 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,880 Speaker 1: to that high school. I had a really bad first 580 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: semester in terms of grades and things like that, because 581 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to study and I didn't know 582 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: how to plan my time, and so I had to 583 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: learn that. And you know, fortunately, I'm the kind of 584 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: person who I don't like the fact that my my 585 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: grades weren't where I wanted them to be. So I said, well, 586 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: I have me to figure this out. And so then 587 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 1: the next semester I got straight a's and was able 588 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: to maintain the straight a's again. And fortunately, you know, 589 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: the colleges I were I was applying to were willing 590 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,439 Speaker 1: to overlook one semester of not great grades, you know, 591 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: so that was good. I don't know if they'd do 592 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: it now, but everyone's more selective now. They probably would have. 593 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: You had a good narrative around it, you know. I 594 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: came from this lesson her school and I had to 595 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: learn how to do it, and I pulled myself up 596 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: by that might look actually better because you have something 597 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: to say about youlling that. Yeah, I don't know, so 598 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 1: I did that. But then in this sort of post kid, 599 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: I've had a you know, a couple like book launches 600 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: like while I've had very young kids, and I think 601 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: that's always been a little bit, you know, trying to 602 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: plan a lot of things. And I remember when I 603 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: Know How She does It came out three years ago, 604 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: Alex was five four months old. Five months old, so 605 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: there was, you know, just the whole thing of fitting 606 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: in the feedings, around all the calls and everything else. 607 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: And I remember at one point I needed to get 608 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: my hair cut because I was going on TV and 609 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: it looked like crap, and because I hadn't gotten it cut, 610 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: and whenever, you know, because I had a baby and 611 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: I told it on a Saturday and my husband went 612 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: to go pick up our oldest at a birthday party, 613 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: and I total, I mentally, I have my haircut. I 614 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: think he'd forgotten. And then you know, our kid was 615 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: like having fun at the party, so he wasn't coming 616 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: back and it was like running through my hair appointment, 617 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: and like he wasn't picking up the phone, like it 618 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: was just like, you know, forty five minutes late from 619 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: when he was supposed to come home from this party. 620 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: And I'm just like standing there in the driveway like 621 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: yelling like I can't you know, they I need my haircut, 622 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: Like I can't go on National TV with my hair 623 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: looking like this, and you just blew through my appointment, 624 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 1: like and you know, I don't know what that is, 625 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: so so stressful, I wound up racing over to there. 626 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: She she basically because I've been going to her for 627 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: several years. She like slow walked to the person next 628 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: to me through their their haircut, basically like they had 629 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: a very very long conditioning treatment so that you could 630 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: get like she didn't do anything else, but she at 631 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: least cut it, and which is fine, Like I didn't 632 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: need to be blown out at that point. I wasn't 633 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: going immediately on TV afterwards, so it was like the 634 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: next day. So yeah, it was just one of those moments. 635 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: But the thing about my life though, and I totally 636 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: appreciate this, you know, with what you've been talking about. 637 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, working from home and working for myself are 638 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: two things that just provide some give in a schedule 639 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: in a way that having to be at an office 640 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: at a certain point does not. So A I could 641 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: feed the baby, you know, like I sort of had 642 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,480 Speaker 1: a list which is so yeah, so much more efficient, Like, 643 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: you know, I had a list of like people I 644 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: can be on the phone with while feeding a baby, 645 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: people I cannot be on a phone with wall feeding 646 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: a baby. You know, I try and schedule the feedings 647 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: during the times with people who were okay to be 648 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,959 Speaker 1: on you know, have baby noise in the background. But 649 00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: not having the commute, you know, I had trips maybe 650 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: every once or twice a week or something like you know, 651 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: take the train into New York, but like not every 652 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: day just removes that ninety minutes of lost time, which 653 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: is also just more efficient or you know, not having 654 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: to necessarily look decent at a certain time. So if 655 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: I needed to say sleep, you know, I could, And 656 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: I was thinking about that. I was like, she could 657 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: take it in a nap. If you don't, I don't. 658 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: But if it happened, like I would look at my 659 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: schedule and say, like, I have you know, an hour 660 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: between calls here. I thought I was going to do X, 661 00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: but now I'm just going to go sleep. And that 662 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: would be a way to get some of the spillover 663 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: the self care things that are harder to do when 664 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: you're in office. So you know, it's it's it's great, 665 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: and I you know, we have people listening who are 666 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what what do I ask for? 667 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: What do I negotiate for in terms of my schedule. 668 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: I think if you can figure out a way that 669 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: your office might be willing to let you sort of 670 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: transition back into your time of Yeah, if I could 671 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 1: have done something different, I would have made some sort 672 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: of like, you know, my job is about units of 673 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: service to some extent, right, that's what our views are, 674 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: That's what seeing a patient is. But I would have 675 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: probably said, you know, you value me, I value you. 676 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: Let's set a slightly lower target for these few months. 677 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: Can you forgive me for that? I'll try to make 678 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: up for it later by being awesome in some fashion. 679 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: I didn't do that passion. But you know, if you 680 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: have the kind of place where you know people occasionally 681 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: work from home, like if you need to come back 682 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 1: at three months after you know, having your baby, if 683 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: you can negotiate to mostly work from home from three 684 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: to six months, for instance, like you're still back at work, 685 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: but you're able to, say, feed the baby during the 686 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,479 Speaker 1: day not lose that commuting time. That can be a 687 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: major plus. Like, yes, you still need childcare, Like, don't 688 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: think that you necessarily can do all your work well 689 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,720 Speaker 1: caring for a small child as well, But at least 690 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: the pumping doesn't necessarily come up, and you don't lose 691 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: that commuting time. And that could be a way to 692 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: ease back in into as a way to sort of 693 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: lessen some of that really crunch time. Feeling yes, well, 694 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: the third trimester's fifth trimester, third time, mister, fifth trimester's 695 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: almost over. It's gonna get better, and I do keep 696 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 1: thinking about Hey, in twenty nineteen, my life will not 697 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: be divided no matter what into increments of three hours 698 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 1: of when someone needs to eat for me, and I 699 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: have all kinds of you know, that's going to be soon. 700 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: Like the truth is, like people are already selling twenty 701 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: nineteen planners. So it's not the face. It's a phase. 702 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean one should be like miserable during 703 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: a phase. I mean some some things can be changed. 704 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: But if there are things that can be changed, obviously, 705 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: like do what you can to change them, to make 706 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,000 Speaker 1: them better, to like, you know, make us not feel 707 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: like we're sort of wishing time away, because that's of 708 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: course a really difficult feeling too that can be sort 709 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,800 Speaker 1: of psychologically rough, which we will talk about more on 710 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: our more I'm not wishing time away, all right, Well, 711 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: do you want to get through our Q and A yeah, 712 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: you know, because okay, yeah, it's totally really bad. Yeah 713 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: you want to from a woman, she says, I'm a 714 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: working mom with a wonderful two year old son and 715 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: a wonderful thirty two year old husband. I love that. 716 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: She added that put his age. My job is about 717 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: forty five minutes away from home, much like Sarah's, without 718 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: a lot of traffic. When there is traffic, it adds 719 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,600 Speaker 1: a lot of time. To a commute. She says she 720 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: just finished listening to the episode featuring Meredith Monday SHORTZ. 721 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: That was a great episode. By the way, people, if 722 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: you haven't heard that, sorry, this is Laura talking, not 723 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: our listener, although she enjoyed it too, she said, talking 724 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: about the idea of telecommuting, I love the idea and 725 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 1: have thought about approaching my boss about the possibility. However, 726 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,800 Speaker 1: I know that she has been burned in the past 727 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: when she has given the option to her employees. I 728 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: believe that was a few years ago, at least before 729 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: I started working here five years ago. My question is, 730 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: how do I approach her with the possibility of allowing 731 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: employees to telecomute at least one day a month or 732 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,959 Speaker 1: when she already has a bad taste in her mouth 733 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: about it. I currently have an idea in my head 734 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: of just allowing employees to telecommute one day a month 735 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 1: because our jobs require more in person communication and availability. However, 736 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,880 Speaker 1: not all days necessarily require that we were in the office. 737 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: Because I know she's been burned in the past, the 738 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: ideal or proposal I would bring up would have to 739 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,240 Speaker 1: include certain stipulations, such as communicating with supervisor's prior approval, 740 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: restricted privileges, whatever it is. But what do you suggest 741 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: as I attempt to approach this subject with my boss, Well, 742 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: make her listen. Man, I thought we could all just 743 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: go listen to this episode. Yet I don't know how 744 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: one subtly listens to a podcast with somebody put it 745 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: on the background. No, but seriously, I do think there's 746 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: a lot in that episode about how Meredith made it 747 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: successful in her company that could potentially be applied to 748 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: this scenario. Like if people haven't listened to it. Meredith 749 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: wasn't talking about it from like asking your boss for 750 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,000 Speaker 1: She was like, approach it from the boss who she 751 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 1: was the boss, and she was super cautious about it, 752 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: you know. She I think really didn't want to be 753 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: burned by some of these things, and so her approach 754 00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: was not like, oh, just dive in and let everyone 755 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: do what they want, but like a really careful, graduated approach. 756 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, I really do think the 757 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: more I work and get older, whatever, the more I 758 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: think just being honest with your advisor's help. So I mean, 759 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: talk to that person about why you think it could work, 760 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: Why do you think it would be helpful and motive exactly. 761 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: She needs to make her numbers, like your boss needs 762 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: to make her numbers. Like if you keep that in mind, 763 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 1: like how is this going to help your boss make 764 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 1: her numbers? That it will actually help both of you exactly, 765 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: And then I mean talk about a graduate approach, so 766 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be I mean she's talking about 767 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: at least one. I mean, is the boss really going 768 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: to say no to one day a month? I would 769 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: be kind of surprised. I don't think that many bosses 770 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: would be. You know, if you're asking for a little bit, 771 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: I think actually that's almost that's little exactly, and that'd 772 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: be like, well, how about twice a month? Yeah, how 773 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: about two a month? Exactly? So, but I do think 774 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 1: asking for a graduated approach is helpful, and then specifically 775 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: mentioning let's do this for X amount of time and 776 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,040 Speaker 1: then review how productive I've been so we can see 777 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,319 Speaker 1: if this has been good. And then you got to 778 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,480 Speaker 1: convince her. You've got to show her exactly what you're saying. 779 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: So if what you're saying is true that you'll be 780 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,799 Speaker 1: able to get done without interruptions, without the commute night, 781 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,240 Speaker 1: that that is true, you'll be able to have actual 782 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: hard data to show her and that may be able 783 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: to escalate it. The other thing is, I don't necessarily 784 00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: know that you need to go You talked about allowing employees, 785 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: but I mean, you don't need to have her allow employees. 786 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: You just have her need to allow you. So I 787 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: don't know that you need to work on changing company policy. 788 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: But maybe you could suggest that you would be the 789 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: guinea pig and that by very carefully tracking data that 790 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: it would actually be useful. And then they could decide 791 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: whether this is something they would be helpful to extend 792 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: to others or not. And then finally, remember how Meredith 793 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: talked about some really cool virtual office software so that 794 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: you could actually physically like see you when someone's at 795 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: their desks. You could talk about how, you know, it 796 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't like be that you're out in the ether, but 797 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: it would be that from x hour to x hour 798 00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: you are one hundred percent reachable, and you could actually 799 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,240 Speaker 1: see it as an icon or avatar via Slack or whatever. 800 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: You know, the software that merridith you something that makes 801 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: it a little bit more defined, because probably what's making 802 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: this person nervous is the idea that you would just 803 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: sort of be out there doing your own thing. And 804 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: I think that, you know, with the tech tools we 805 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 1: have today, that remote work doesn't have to be like that, 806 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: So you could, you could, certainly, Yeah, it'd be interesting 807 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,160 Speaker 1: to try and get a little intelligence on what exactly 808 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: burned her on this. You know, this this mythical bad 809 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: employee somewhere who burned her on the telecommuting thing years 810 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: ago is a long time I mean not they probably 811 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: didn't have the same players back then anyway. I mean 812 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,759 Speaker 1: the asd with like, you know, people abuse all sorts 813 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: of situations, and and it's always easy to assign it 814 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: to the thing that seems new and weird and that 815 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: you're uncomfortable with anyway. So it's like, oh, we had 816 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: a problem with this employee, and it's because she was 817 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: telecommuting that it was a problem. Well maybe not. I mean, 818 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,799 Speaker 1: maybe it's that you had a bad employee and like 819 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: that person could have done what. You know, it's we 820 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: don't assign things that happen into the in the office 821 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: as being a problem with the office. Like if somebody 822 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 1: was stealing from your employee stock room, we'd be like, oh, 823 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,720 Speaker 1: everyone has to work from home from now on because 824 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: like somebody was stealing from the employee stock room. We 825 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: can't have employees in the office. Well, no, that's not 826 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,160 Speaker 1: how people react. So it's it's just because it's this 827 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: new thing that that people get a little bit weirded 828 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: out by it. So you know, I think, yes, approaching 829 00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 1: it as a as a trial period, but also just 830 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,480 Speaker 1: kind of exploring this idea of like, you know, are 831 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: you a good employee, Like are you going above and 832 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: beyond to showing you know, getting your stuff done? Like 833 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,400 Speaker 1: would she have any reason not to trust you? And 834 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,359 Speaker 1: if not, then then I don't think this is really 835 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: a huge ask. Yeah, please let us know, write us 836 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:54,879 Speaker 1: back and let us know if you've asked and whether 837 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:56,959 Speaker 1: it worked all right. So this brings us to Love 838 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: of the Week. So Sarah was saying she's been getting 839 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 1: back into exercising yay, And I've recommitted like five different 840 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: exercise problem in this podcast because I've I've been schizophrenic 841 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: with this and that's okay, because I think I started 842 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: with DIA after I had the baby, and that was 843 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: kind of helpful, was really not very intense, but it 844 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: was what I needed. Then I tried Mama Strong, which 845 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:20,319 Speaker 1: was good but she was a little too quirky to 846 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: be honest for me, and I didn't feel like those workouts, 847 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 1: like I didn't feel like I had like a nice 848 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: objective way to tell if I was getting better. But 849 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: if you remember from the Rachel Hunger episode, Rachel is 850 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: obsessed with beach Body and specifically Autumn CALIBRISI. So I 851 00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: was like, finally, Okay, I'm gonna try it, Rachel. I'm 852 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,839 Speaker 1: just gonna do it, and it's kind of awesome. So 853 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: that's my new love of the week is that I'm 854 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: doing the twenty one day fixed workouts. I'm not doing 855 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 1: any of the like nutritional stuff because nah, who cares, 856 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm breastfeeding. I don't care right now. But no, the 857 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: workouts are really good and they're a little more structured, 858 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 1: which I like because I like having like a specific schedule, 859 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: and I like the repetition because I can like see 860 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: the progress a little better. Like I'm literally only ten 861 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: days in, but I've done the arm workout twice now, 862 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: for example, and I'm like, oh, this time, I could 863 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,160 Speaker 1: do more push ups, not on my knees, not very many, 864 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: by the way, but anyway, they're they're really cool. So 865 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: I am not selling Beach Body. I'm never going to 866 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: sell Beach Body. I know that's a thing. I just 867 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,080 Speaker 1: bought the thing online, and but I really like the workouts. 868 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: I'll good to be back the week. It's just like mental, 869 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. For me, it's such a mental I 870 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,720 Speaker 1: need it exactly. I was gonna do a weightlifting one, 871 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: which I've said, as you know, probably ten different years 872 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,680 Speaker 1: that I'm like, I'm gonna lift weights this year that 873 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: I really just don't and probably is that, you know, 874 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: I love running, and I you know, feel like my 875 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,000 Speaker 1: exercise time is running time, and then I just don't 876 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: feel like doing anything else. But one easy way to 877 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,840 Speaker 1: get into it is that I've been using the weights 878 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: in hotel gyms, and so if I'm in a hotel gym, 879 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, they usually have them and just do 880 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,720 Speaker 1: a little bit of something there, and so that winds 881 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: up being, you know, like once a week that I 882 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 1: put in a weightlifting work on. I think I'm okay 883 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: with that for now. I will hopefully, at some point 884 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,239 Speaker 1: in my life add more to it, because I know 885 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: it would be very good for me, especially as I 886 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,160 Speaker 1: enter my forties in the next year or so that 887 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: you know, you always hear about muscle, muscle strength or 888 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: whatever declining, whatever it is that that happens, whatever horrible 889 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:27,840 Speaker 1: things start to happen to us. So it's a forty 890 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: four zero like that's it's every by the way. So 891 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm just doing it sort of once a week for 892 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: now when I'm in a hotel job, because that's a trigger, right, 893 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:42,080 Speaker 1: like you need something at huge though. Yeah, that's once 894 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 1: is a lot more than zero, and then you never 895 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: know that could turn into twice and then maybe I'll 896 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: get you to try these workouts that I like. I 897 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: don't like internet fitness people talking to me to do stuff. 898 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:59,400 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Yeah, you have to not mind that. I 899 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 1: really don't mind that. I mean, she's nicer than like 900 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: Jillian Michael's, but I've never even minded her. I kind 901 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: of like the yeah, the subordination. We'll just end on 902 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,360 Speaker 1: that note. Don't tell me I don't want to do 903 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:17,640 Speaker 1: something interesting. The upholder hasn't it. We're both upholders. But 904 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: that is an inner revel Okay, well, yeah I would. 905 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,880 Speaker 1: I would love to hear Grutchen's take on that. But 906 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: I'm excited that you're doing it because I think I 907 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: thank You're all right? Well, I'm gonna throw in one 908 00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: more reminder for everyone that again, the book is out 909 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: in Vane. Laura won't say it herself, but yes, off 910 00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,560 Speaker 1: the clock. You can pre order on any of the 911 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: various internet venues, including Amazon, and if you were going 912 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: to get it anyway, you might as well just do 913 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: it down, all right. This has been Best of Both 914 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,120 Speaker 1: Worlds Episode forty two. We've been talking about getting through 915 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,360 Speaker 1: difficult times mostly also a little bit about tele telecommuting 916 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,919 Speaker 1: and how to ask your boss about that. And we'll 917 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: be back next week with more on making work and 918 00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: life fit together. Thanks for listening. You can find me 919 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,840 Speaker 1: Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the Underscore 920 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,879 Speaker 1: Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura at 921 00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the Best of 922 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,919 Speaker 1: Both Worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for more 923 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,120 Speaker 1: on making work and life work together.