1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: Armstrong and get Take Armstrong and Getty Strong and. 4 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 3: Welcome to you had another fine hour of the Armstrong 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: in Getty Show. 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: We're on vacation, but be not dismayed. Some of our 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 2: finest moments have been preserved on tape. Yes, we call 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 2: this the Armstrong and Getty Replay. Well you listen, you 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: can stop by the Armstrong and Getty Superstar, grab t 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 2: shirt whatever. Just got to Armstrong and Getty dot com. 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 2: Now back to the A and G replay. Oh you 12 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: have no interest in getting in. You know, podcasting conflicts 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: with anybody. I number one, I don't care, and you 14 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: know number two is just unproductive. But I've got to 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 2: admit I am fascinated by a couple of different media 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: twist offs. Tucker number one, because I thought so highly 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: of Tucker as a writer. Everybody did a thinker. Oh yeah, 18 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: my goodness, so so good. But he's turned toward this 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: Groyd Ferry anti semitism that I find very, very troubling. 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: And it's a shame. 21 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 3: And why because he was already ungodly wealthy. 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he actually believes what he's pitching. 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: Now did he always believe that? And he was keeping quiet? 24 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 3: Certain didn't seem like it, no idea, No, no, it didn't. 25 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: This seems to be some sort of change. 26 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 2: The idea of fawning over Vladimir Putin and what a 27 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 2: wonderful place Rush is is just that is so looney tunes. 28 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: It's difficult to explain by. I mean, it's either mental 29 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: illness or an ideological capture of some sort. But the 30 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: other character that fascinates me in a weird way is 31 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: Candace Owens, who we met once. We did an event 32 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: with her, extremely articulate and confident. I think it was 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: Rich International Review and we'll touch on this in a minute. 34 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:09,519 Speaker 2: Points out that confidence to the point of just being way, way, 35 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 2: way over the top. 36 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: Well, we were in a green room with her for 37 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: forty five minutes quite a while, and it was just Joe, 38 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: me her and like her assistant. 39 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 2: I think it's like four of us in the room. 40 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 3: She was incredibly stand offish, like just not willing to 41 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 3: engage in any conversation whatsoever, and one in the phone. 42 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: But now I know she's a complete weirdo. I mean, 43 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 3: she's a very strange person. So here are a couple 44 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: of examples. 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: I don't remember what's in the audio that we're about 46 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 2: to play you, which is entitled all the Questions Candice 47 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 2: owns is just asking, which if you're not hip to 48 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: this is a way that people can say things that 49 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 2: are they know will be greeted as horrifying, but they 50 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: just say, I'm just asking the questions. It's it's just 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 2: it's transparent once you become aware of it, whether it's 52 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 2: a fake historian claiming the Hitler was really a good 53 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: guy and didn't mean for a few Jews to die 54 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: or whatever. But like Kansas lately, if you're not familiar 55 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 2: with her act is said, and I quote, I'm starting 56 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: to think that the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something 57 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 2: akin to a regi aside, right, the assassination of a 58 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: king to install a new ruler who the king would 59 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 2: never have approved of. And the new ruler of Turning 60 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: Point USA turns out to be Kirk's widow, Erica Kirk, 61 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: and Owens has argued the Turning Point is covering up 62 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 2: its involvement in Kirk's assassination and that Erica Kirk knows everything. 63 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: She also then she says, but it's a vile smear 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: to suggest she's implicated Erica Kirk and her husband's assassination. 65 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: But she's just asking questions. Why don't we go ahead 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: and play this audio and then we'll follow up? Go ahead, 67 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: Michael twelve. 68 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 4: They and other influencers will invoke Erica as the reason 69 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: that it's not appropriate to ask questions. It's just not 70 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 4: appropriate while Erica is still morning for you guys to 71 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: ask ask any questions. And I'm just going to come 72 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 4: back at you with some common sense. What sort of 73 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 4: widow wouldn't want people to investigate the assassination of their husband. 74 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: Every day that goes on, it feels to me like 75 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: Turning Point is engaged in a cover up, So criticism 76 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 4: is pertaining to anything at Turning Point USA that are being. 77 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 2: Directed at Erica are fair. Obviously they are fair. 78 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 4: You are recognizing that the people around Charlie are not 79 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 4: acting in the way that they should be acting, that 80 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: their emotionality is not needing the moment of violence that 81 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 4: we all witnessed. 82 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: Nothing and Charlie's life is real. 83 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 4: It's just something that keeps me up at night. 84 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: Just nothing in his life. 85 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 4: Was real, And it just so happened that Charlie Kirk 86 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 4: kept notebooks and diaries. He was so diligent that he 87 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 4: roped down his succession plan featuring who he wanted to 88 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 4: take over for the organization in the event of his 89 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 4: untimely death, Like you know, just in the third notebook, 90 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 4: he was like, oh, and if I accidentally get shot 91 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 4: on campus, here's what you should do. Call Airicub and 92 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 4: then after you call Araica, come find this notebook. Oh 93 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 4: but wait, Charlie, wasn't it like a boy genius, for 94 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 4: he's a pretty bright kid. Wouldn't he have maybe formalized 95 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 4: that succession plan outside of like a diary, But no, 96 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 4: he wanted to put it in these notebooks. And then 97 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 4: the plan was to guilt us, I think, to try 98 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 4: to haunt us with the ghost of Charlie's notebooks that 99 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 4: were never going to be allowed to read. Yeah, I'm 100 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 4: putting the fire here right at the feet of turning 101 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 4: Point because I am disgusted. 102 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 2: I am genuinely disgusted. 103 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 4: I am looking around and wondering whether Charlie's entire life 104 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 4: was the Truman Show. But I'm starting to think that 105 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:41,280 Speaker 4: the assassination of Charlie Kirk was something akin to a regicide, right, 106 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 4: the assassination of a king to install a new ruler who. 107 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 2: The king would have never approved of. Right. 108 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 3: So she suggesting that these diaries journals that he kept 109 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 3: are fake. I guess that his wife faked him up. 110 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: So see he wrote it down here, You wanted me 111 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 3: to be in charge if something happened to him, exactly. 112 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 2: T'sal a little too pad, isn't it a little too things. 113 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 3: That she was involved in having him killed because. 114 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 2: She wanted When you say, wait a minute, are you 115 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: hinting that she was involved in having him killed? You say, 116 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: that's despicable? How dare you question me? Yeah, it's crazy. 117 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: As Rich Lowry writes, when Alex Jones was at his 118 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: height and he hasn't gone away, it felt as though 119 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: he was in it for the entertainment. He was like 120 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: the WWE announcer who knows the wrestling is fake and 121 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: knows that we know the wrestling is fake, but impuse 122 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: his play by play with a sense of great import 123 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: all the time. True, I would agree he was despicable, 124 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: but that was the vibe. Owens is different to be 125 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 2: sure she's entertaining too, and he gives some examples. But 126 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: Owens is more alluring and sinister than Alex Jones. She 127 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: wants followers not just to sell them the equivalent of supplements, 128 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 2: but to gain influence and turn mega in a direction 129 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 2: hostile to israel, Jews and Judaism. Now it is true 130 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 2: that Owens is ignorant of basic things and makes him 131 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 2: embarrassing elementary factual mistakes all the time. Yet she's very glib, 132 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 2: and her credibility as a talker is bolstered by the 133 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: near sociopathic self confidence of someone who believes her saying 134 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: something must make it true. And then her riff about 135 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: the moon landings being faked is characteristic. She kind of 136 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: knows something about the Van Allen radiation belt, which is 137 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: more than most people can say, but overstates its potential 138 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: as an obstacle, and she misunderstands how temperature works in space, 139 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 2: among other things. Or her contention that dinosaurs are fake 140 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 2: and gay. This apparently stems from her wholly erroneous belief 141 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 2: that only paleontologists have ever found dinosaur bones, so there 142 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: must be conspiracy among them to fabricate fossils to undermine 143 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: faith in God, clearly true, and that Jews have a 144 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: special place in her conspiracies. Harvard is a Masad base, 145 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: which Rich writes highly convenient. One assumes if Israel wanted 146 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 2: to carry out an operation against Tufts or Bodouin, Israel 147 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: was involved in the September eleventh the tacks the Holocaust 148 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: has exaggerated her fake ili Weissel is a liar. The 149 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: Jews carried out the Bolshevik Revolution in order to exterminate Christians. 150 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,239 Speaker 2: The Jews killed jfk And for some reason, also Michael 151 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 2: Jackson Stalin was a secret Jew, and so is At 152 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: a Turk. Jeffrey Epstein, of course, was doing Israel's bidding. 153 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: She hasn't accused the Jews of poisoning the wells, but 154 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 2: give it time. 155 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: And she's portraying. I'm reading her Twitter posts from today. 156 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 3: She's portraying it is like she and Charlie were really close. 157 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 3: She and Charlie Kirk heartbreaking. They really killed my friend. 158 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: But justice will be served, and that she's being attacked 159 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: for trying to get the truth out about who killed 160 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: her friend. Right today, on the show We Go Max, 161 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 3: we find irrefutable proof that turning point knows more than 162 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 3: they're telling us. Charlie was right, he knew I would 163 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: be the one to defend him after death. Join us Live, 164 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 3: blah blah blah. She's got seven point four million followers 165 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 3: on I don't know how much money that makes you 166 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: A lot. 167 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 2: Quite a bit money. Yeah, I got a bunch of 168 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: examples of there were actually two shots. The rifle shot 169 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: was used only to cover up another shot from an 170 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 2: unknown assassin at close range that would be difficult to 171 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: coordinate Robinson. The actual shooter's role was to drive around 172 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 2: campus assisting in costume changes. Let's see she heard that 173 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 2: Robinson is bewildered by the idea that he carved messages 174 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: and bullet casings. She also doubts the authenticity of his 175 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 2: text messages with his trans boyfriend. She believes the text 176 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 2: aren't credible because there's no way Robinson would use a 177 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: fancy word like vehicle instead of car rich Wright's not 178 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 2: only his vehicle not a particularly uncommon word. Owens messes 179 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: up what she considers to be evidence that senches the 180 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 2: point in sleuth mode. She says that police bodycam footage 181 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 2: of Robinson after the car accident shows him using the 182 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 2: word car instead of vehicle, but in the course of 183 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 2: that very tape he also says vehicle and. 184 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 3: Pretty slim no matter what I mean. 185 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah yeah. 186 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: And this goes on for a long time about the Jews, 187 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: especially about the Jews. 188 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 2: There's a couple of pages of this, but that's enough 189 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: of that. So the broader point that I find really 190 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 2: interesting and compelling is how these conspiracy theories work and 191 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: how do they get people? And I remember when QAnon 192 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 2: was big, I read an absolutely fantastic description of how 193 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: that works. What are the various triggers that the perpetrator 194 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 2: of these hoaxes use? And I wish I could find 195 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: it because it's very straightforward and easy to understand. 196 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 3: I got. I gotta admit, if my conscience would allow me, 197 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: it'd be pretty fun to do the canvas thing where 198 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: you just make stuff up and kind of ride this 199 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 3: wave of nonsense and keep people pulling pulling people along 200 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 3: and come up with new wacky ideas. It'd be pretty fun. 201 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, It's great mental exercise. You get to know 202 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: the four or five tools of your craft, and then 203 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: you have to react quickly and make new stuff up. 204 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: It's it's almost like a creative writing exercise in a way. 205 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: But anyway, I came across this by Claire Layman, and 206 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: we'll take a break and come back with it the 207 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: New Medievals. The bones of conspiracy theories haven't changed through 208 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: the centuries, though the details are different. How conspiracy theories 209 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 2: are right out of the Middle Ages. Thought this was intriguing. 210 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 2: Hope you enjoyed it. 211 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 3: And then there's also the other end of it is 212 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 3: that certain people that really, really really want these I 213 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 3: don't want them, but some people do. It makes them 214 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: feel better. That's its own interesting. 215 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: Thank you Jack Armstrong and Joe Gretty the Armstrong and 216 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: Getty Show. 217 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: And listen to this. 218 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 3: Trump just threatened to raise tariffs on Mexico by five 219 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 3: percent if they don't send more water to the US. 220 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: Smart. 221 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 3: If there's one thing, I feel totally confident in water 222 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 3: from Mexico. Remember when we learned several years ago that 223 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 3: that whole uh don't drink the water thing is pretty 224 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 3: much true anywhere you go in the world, just because 225 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 3: your body has become accustomed to water here or wherever 226 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: you live, and when you travel to someplace else, their 227 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 3: water is different. And often upset your stomach. And it's 228 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 3: not just Mexico. It can be any first world country 229 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 3: where that happens. I'd say I didn't I miss that 230 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: or didn't know it or something. I mean, because in 231 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: Mexico you'll be very, very sick, But it can happen 232 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: anywhere just because you're not used to Like the people 233 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: who Mexico don't get sick from drinking the water because 234 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: their bodies have accustomed to it. 235 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 2: Is the theory. I don't know. I didn't do the science. 236 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 2: I didn't do the scrink water and a lot of 237 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: places around the world and done fine. But true, although 238 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: I have drink water. 239 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 3: Mexico and done fine. So uh So I was talking 240 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: about Isaac Newton in alchemy like we always do on Wednesdays. 241 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 3: So I was on this Isaac Newton cake about a 242 00:12:57,640 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 3: year ago or whatever, and read a couple books about 243 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 3: any understudied absolutely fascinating dude. And I got pulled into 244 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: it actually by this secret stuff we learned about him 245 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 3: not that many years ago. Isaac Newton, father of mathematics 246 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: and in ventor of all these physical principles, you know, 247 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 3: laws of motion and all these different things. But his 248 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: main thing that he had to hide there in England 249 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: in the lateeen sixteen hundreds because the religious climate was religion. 250 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 3: He was a very, very devout religious person, but his 251 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: particular view of the relationship between Jesus and the Church 252 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: and all these different things wasn't what was in favor 253 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 3: at the time, and he would have gotten thrown in 254 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 3: jail if his thinking in writings had been out loud. 255 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 3: So he was really into alchemy, which we were taught 256 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 3: in school was all about turning lead into gold, which 257 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: it often was, but that was not primarily the reason 258 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: for alchemy, and I kind of wonder why books didn't 259 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 3: tell us this at the time. 260 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 2: I think there's maybe a reason. It was mostly a 261 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 2: religious thing it was about. 262 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 3: It had to do with the way human beings can change, 263 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 3: and blood into water, and all these different sorts of 264 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 3: things fitting in with the Bible and their theological beliefs. 265 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: It wasn't just purely we could take lead, which is 266 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 3: easy to find and turned into gold and become rich. 267 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 3: It was way more a god thing, and I think 268 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 3: they wanted to downplay that for some reason. Anyway, Isaac Newton, 269 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 3: one of the greatest scientists of all time was super 270 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: into it. He wrote more about this than he did 271 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 3: about anything about gravity or anything else. He wrote more 272 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: about this, but it was hidden and nobody saw the 273 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 3: papers until the nineteen thirties. Isaac Newton's papers went up 274 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: for auction in the nineteen thirties and because the famous 275 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: economist Keynes of England, that Keynes is in Knsian economics, 276 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 3: he John Maynard Keynes, he bid on them, won the 277 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 3: Isaac Newton papers and discovered all these writings about all 278 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 3: of his theological spiritual stuff about alchemy. Nobody knew that 279 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: Isaac Newton had this. 280 00:14:59,200 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: Side to him. 281 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: So Keenes, the economist, bought these papers and then wrote 282 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 3: a couple of books about it and revealed it to 283 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 3: the world. He was more a theologian than he was 284 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: a into physics, but he had to hide one from everyone. Wow, wow, 285 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 3: how interesting. Brilliant guy. Obviously one of the more balance 286 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 3: spare times. Maybe I'll go ahead and invent modern mathematics. 287 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: One of the more brilliant people that have ever lived. 288 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: And the fact that he had to hide all that 289 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 3: from everybody, and it just fairly recently got discovered by 290 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 3: a famous economist, which, yeah. 291 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 2: All of history is grossly oversimplified, partly because you almost 292 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: have to. Although I just ran into a great unmasking 293 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: of the idiot sixteen nineteen project in the notion that 294 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: American slavery was so much worse than we and we 295 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: really invented slavery in the United States, Oh my god, 296 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: saying so much worse than other slavery in other parts 297 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: of the world, and this obsession with self hatred, and 298 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: it's just not based on fact at all. But if 299 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: somebody with an authoritative sounding title tells a bunch of 300 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: youngsters that that's the truth, they believe it, and you 301 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: can't believe. You can't blame him, really, And it's troubling 302 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: because we've got a couple of generations and people with 303 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: really perverse beliefs about this country, and they're one hundred 304 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: percent certain that they're right. What are you gonna do, 305 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 2: do a better job of policing what's going on in schools? 306 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: For one thing, No freaking kidd, there's a decent chance 307 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 2: that book is being taught in your kid's school. Oh yeah, absolutely, 308 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: particularly in Blue States. Yes, it's absolutely obscene, and it's horsees. 309 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: It comes out of the south side of a northbound horse. 310 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 2: Yes it does. I mean, for one thing, the incredibly 311 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: tiny percentage of the Atlantic slave trade that ended up 312 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: in the continental United States. I mean it's a tiny percentage. 313 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: The vast majority of the slaves were sent to Central 314 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: and South America, and there's well, what time is it now? 315 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 2: We don't have time for this, but uh, maybe we'll 316 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: get onto that another time. But that many, many, many, 317 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 2: many more slaves survived in the territory that became the US, 318 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: or in the US than in South America, which is 319 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: why they have a lot of descendants here. Because if 320 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: you were sent to the to clear the jungles of Brazil, 321 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: you were gonna die. 322 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show or John your Shoe Podcasts 323 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: and our Hot Lakes. 324 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 5: Maxwell House Coffee temporarily changed its name to Maxwell Apartment 325 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 5: to better reflect current times. No, it's much better than 326 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 5: their first choice. 327 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: So Early. 328 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 3: Maxwell, what the hell, ah boy, what do we got 329 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 3: coming up? 330 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 2: Joe coming up? 331 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 3: The young lady at the center of the Matt Gates allegations. 332 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: What actually happened in that story? 333 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 3: Nobody ends up looking great, really glaciousness Florida style. So 334 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: my son was on a boy scout hiking trip over 335 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 3: the weekend. As I've talked about a lot since he 336 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 3: joined Boy Scouts last March, I am so impressed with 337 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:18,919 Speaker 3: that organization in particular, I'm Payton particularly. I'm excited about 338 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: having an organization out there that's helping young men the 339 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 3: way it clearly is, because man, the whole young men 340 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 3: landscape thing, for all kinds of different reasons that we've 341 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 3: been talking about for years is a little scary. The 342 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 3: fact that being a boy is considered a disease in school, 343 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: and the concept of toxic masculinity when you're just being 344 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 3: a dude, and just all those different things really weird 345 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: me out. 346 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 2: Well, especially if you have had the misfortune to be 347 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: born white, then you're seen as the center of all evil, 348 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: as taught in your local elementary school and on up 349 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: through the chain of miseducation. 350 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 3: So Friday night, on his HBO show, Bill Maher had 351 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: this podcaster or NYE You, professor Matt Galloway on, and 352 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: they started talking about men in America and some of 353 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: the stats around it that are horrifying. 354 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 2: The number of men I didn't realize this is a 355 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: percentage who live at home, still live with their parents. 356 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 2: What are those numbers. 357 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 6: It's about thirty percent of men under the age of 358 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 6: twenty five, one and three are still at home. One 359 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 6: in five are still at home by the age of thirty. 360 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 3: One in five at home at age thirty. 361 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: Yipes. He goes on, is that economic or emotional or both? 362 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 6: I mean, effectively, what you have is they're up against 363 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 6: this indomitable anime. Forty percent of the SMP is now 364 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 6: ten companies whose primary mission is to get you is 365 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 6: glued to a screen for as long as possible, any minute. 366 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 6: They can keep you on a screen longer as billions 367 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 6: of dollars, and a young man's brain, which prefrontal cortex 368 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,199 Speaker 6: is less mature, is more susceptible to that need for DOPA. 369 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 6: So what we've literally done, Bill is unwittingly built an 370 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 6: economy which is dependent upon our ability to evolve a 371 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 6: new species of eight social asexual males. And what you 372 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 6: have is big tech, who is not our friend, is 373 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 6: trying to sequester people, especially young people, especially young men, 374 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 6: from the most important thing in our life, and that 375 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 6: is relationships. 376 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: I've been trying to say that for years, but not 377 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 2: as eloquently as he just did. The greatest minds of 378 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 2: our time are trying to addict us to screens for 379 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 2: their own nefarious purposes. 380 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 3: Well, i'd never heard that before, though. I didn't know, 381 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: because we all know about the dopamine hits that we 382 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 3: get from ding a new text, a new headline, a 383 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 3: new whatever. I didn't know that young men were more 384 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 3: susceptible to the dopamine hit than the rest of us. 385 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 2: WHOA, Well, yeah, it's thrill seeking. That's that's what thrill 386 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 2: seeking is. And whether it's online thrills, you know. I'm 387 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 2: not sure I've ever been so disgusted by an advertisement 388 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: as I was, And I wish I had the quote 389 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: in front of me, But it was one of your 390 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: shooting people in war video games and it was dead serious. 391 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 3: Be a hero, a real hero, Call of Warfare three 392 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 3: or whatever. 393 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: Like that's the opposite of what you freaking are. You're 394 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 2: living at your parents' home just play acting being a hero. 395 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 3: Oh, you wouldn't think there'd be anything at the beginning 396 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 3: of this pre internet, if you just started out. We're 397 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 3: going to develop a product that'll make young men care 398 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 3: about this product more than they care about getting laid. Yeah, 399 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,359 Speaker 3: good luck, I'd have said that's impossible. There's nothing that 400 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 3: matters more to young men than And it turns out 401 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 3: you came up with something. 402 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, unless your project is oxygen, it's gonna fail. 403 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 3: But they came up with this whole dopamine clicks thingy 404 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 3: that is anyway, he goes on. 405 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 2: Make sure you guys do not miss this stat So 406 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 2: here we go. 407 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 6: Okay, Forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four 408 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 6: have never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three 409 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 6: percent of men under the age of thirty are not 410 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 6: even pursuing a relationship. 411 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 2: And if you think of. 412 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 3: Stop it, because I want you to start that again 413 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 3: so I can pay closer attention. 414 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: Holy crap. Okay, here we go. 415 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 6: Forty five percent of men eighteen to twenty four have 416 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 6: never asked a woman out in person. Sixty three percent 417 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 6: of men under the age of thirty are not even 418 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 6: pursuing a relationship. And if you think about the most 419 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 6: rewarding things in your life, I mean, the things that 420 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 6: really matter, they are essentially relationships. What do they all 421 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 6: have in common? They're really damn hard. And unfortunately, big tech, 422 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 6: the most deep pocketed godlike technology in the world, is 423 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 6: trying to convince young men that they can have a 424 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 6: reasonable facsimilay of life online. 425 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 2: Why go through the. 426 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 6: Pecking order of trying to establish friendships? And you got 427 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 6: readed in discord. Why put on a tie and navigate 428 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 6: the corporate world when you can trade crypto or stocks 429 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 6: on Robinhood or coinbase. 430 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 2: And why would you go through the effort. 431 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 6: The expense, and the potential rejection and humiliation of establishing 432 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 6: a romantic relationship when you have porn? I believe slowly 433 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 6: but surely, we're going to start to see fewer and 434 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 6: fewer young men out in the wild. Is they're going 435 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 6: to decide to sequest her? And if I could say 436 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 6: anything to young men, is that the anxiety and depression 437 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 6: you will eventually feel in your basement sequestered from other 438 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 6: mammals is far greater than the fear of anything that 439 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 6: lays outside of that room for you. 440 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that argument's gonna work, but that stat 441 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 3: I'm glad he brought up the p word porn. 442 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 2: I was wondering, is he be going to bring that up? 443 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: He did. 444 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 3: Two thirds of men under thirty are not pursuing a relationship, 445 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 3: completely unheard of when I was a young man. Just 446 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 3: absolutely impossible that there would have been one person I 447 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: would have ever run into a guy my age who 448 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: wasn't pursuing a relationship. 449 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 2: And just under half of eighteen to twenty four year 450 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: olds had never asked a woman to go do anything. 451 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 2: That's stunning. What's this? Galloway's first name, Mike Scott, that 452 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 2: is Scott Galloway. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna follow him. And 453 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 2: I like the cut of his jim. He's talking, he's 454 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 2: spitting truth as they say. Wow, this is how many 455 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 2: times have we said this? If this was a different 456 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: species than Homo sapiens, the scientific world would be on 457 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 2: fire talking about it. Right, half of half. 458 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,920 Speaker 3: Of all alligators no longer want to be in swamps. 459 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: What right, man, They're walking wrong along on hind legs 460 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 2: and trying to mate with beavers. I mean, this is 461 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: an astonishing change in the natural most deeply embedded behaviors 462 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: in a species happens to be humans. 463 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: Maybe the flip side to look at it is the 464 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 3: only thing that was getting us out of the house. 465 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 3: Was this needing a little and we wanted it so 466 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 3: much we freaking threw on a tie. We left our home. 467 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: We went out there got an edgemacation if we did 468 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 3: all these different things just because we needed it so bad, 469 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: and once you eliminate that need, ah, I'm just gonna 470 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 3: stay in my parents' basement in sweats for the rest 471 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 3: of my life. 472 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 2: That's sad, though it's. 473 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 3: Of course it's sad, And obviously he's right, at the 474 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,439 Speaker 3: end of the road, you'll be much sadder than you 475 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 3: would be with the pursuit and failure and all the 476 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 3: ups and downs of life. But I don't think that 477 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 3: your argument's going to work on young people. Just to 478 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 3: see your time horizon when you're young just doesn't work well. 479 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: Back to the impulsiveness of young people, particularly young men, 480 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: although let's not let the crazy angry militancy of young 481 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 2: women go without being remarked on in this discussion as well. 482 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 2: That's but I've got a couple of teens that. 483 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 3: Aloys different syndrome, but still a significant one. But like 484 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 3: my high schooler, we spent a lot of time together 485 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 3: over the weekend because his brother was on a camping 486 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 3: trip and he's going to be sixteen here in a 487 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: couple of months, and he has the same attitude every 488 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 3: sixteen year old has or I had. 489 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: He talks about when I talk about you. 490 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 3: When you're thirty. When I'm thirty, I don't mean, I 491 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 3: don't even care if I'm alive. When I'm thirty, who 492 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 3: cares about being thirty? I mean, thirty is so far 493 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 3: off when you're sixteen you can't even imagine it. You know, 494 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 3: we'll be flying around in cars and all kinds of 495 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 3: stuff by the time you're thirty. So so pitching to 496 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 3: young people the idea, I mean, I do this. I've 497 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 3: done this with my own kids, and it seems to 498 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,320 Speaker 3: be working so far. But pitching the you know by 499 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 3: the time you're forty, ultimately you'll be sad. 500 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 2: If you do this. I hope that works. Yeah, you know, 501 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 2: it's funny. I was reminiscing with a couple of buddies 502 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 2: that it had been eleven years since we played our 503 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: last show as a rock and roll band, and I thought, 504 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 2: good lord, eleven years. Then I thought, that's all of 505 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: high school, all of college in the first three years 506 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: of your career, which is enormously impactful and is forever 507 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 2: in youthful years, you know, to your point, when I'm 508 00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 2: thirty telling a sixteen year old that please right, no, right, no, yeah, yeah. 509 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: If you if you continue down this path when you're thirty, 510 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: you're going to be unhappy with your choices. 511 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: I've done a lot of people. There will soon be. 512 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: A religion, a philosophy, and it will be popular. 513 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 2: It will be very, very popular. It might be a 514 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 2: smallish minority of humans, but it will be an anti 515 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 2: tech religion slash ethos that people will latch onto. I 516 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 2: think it is building. How widespread it is, I don't know. 517 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: I am prepared to be your leader. I will not 518 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 2: be sexing up your younger women, at least at first 519 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 2: that appeas to you, because every one of these like 520 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 2: insular cult like organizations ends up with the leaders sexing 521 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: up the young women. So I just figured. 522 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 3: So to the point that half of young adult men 523 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 3: have never asked a girl out, and two thirds of 524 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 3: men under thirty are not looking for a relationship at all. 525 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 2: Imagine being a young woman. 526 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 3: Good lord, You're a twenty six year old getting your 527 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 3: act together, thinking of having a family someday, woman, and 528 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: two thirds of dudes out there are not even thinking 529 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 3: about looking for a relationship. Holy crap, No wonder you're 530 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 3: holding hands with a girl you got no choice and this. 531 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 2: Wow, and this came out of nowhere. Okay, this came 532 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 2: on so quickly societally. But there's so much money being made. 533 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: It's propping up the stock market, for instance, tech in general. 534 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: This sort of thing is not being said nearly as 535 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: much as it should be. 536 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,959 Speaker 3: Man, Michael, you promised our minds would be blown by 537 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 3: those stats. You were successful. That is some troubling, troubling stuff. 538 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 3: You did not lie the Armstrong and Getty show. 539 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, your show, podcasts and our hot lakes. 540 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 2: Here, what is that you're wondering. That's a bunch of idiots. 541 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 3: It's a bunch of hurlds off cliffs, A bunch of 542 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 3: idiots that should be hurled off cliffs and make those noises. 543 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 3: That's a bunch of idiots in Portland who get together 544 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: every week and scream it out how much they hate Trump. 545 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,080 Speaker 3: Have some kids, and you won't have time for this crap. 546 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 2: I don't even have the energy to respond to that. 547 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: How Portland does that? Oh? And look how enlightened you are. 548 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 2: You're screaming about Trump? Why because you don't like him? 549 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: And you probably think what he's the new hitler. That's intriguing, 550 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: good Lord, I don't even have the energy. 551 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 3: So Elon Musk did an interview yesterday and he was 552 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 3: asked about DOGE. He gets asked about lots of things, 553 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 3: because he does lots of things as a world's richest man. 554 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 3: He's no longer convinced his crusade to clean up government 555 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,479 Speaker 3: waste through the Apartment of Government Efficiency better known as DOGE, 556 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 3: was worth the chaos at unleashed. I can see why 557 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 3: he would think that. He's deeply unsure whether his high 558 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: profile stint running Washington's most memorable agency actually worked, says 559 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: a New York Post. In a wide ranging and at 560 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 3: times philosophical interview on some podcast I had never heard of, 561 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: he said there was like probably one hundred maybe two 562 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 3: hundred billion dollars worth of zombie payments per year, he said, 563 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 3: noting DOGE shut down only a fraction of it. Those 564 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: are their payments that are go out for things that 565 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 3: either don't exist or shouldn't exist, and everybody knows they 566 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 3: shouldn't exist, haven't been closed down officially yet or whatever, 567 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: And they got about a a tiny percentage of it 568 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 3: shut down, he said. Cutting off even that much cash 569 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 3: came with serious blowback. If you stop money going to 570 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 3: political corruption, they will lash out big time. 571 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: They really want to keep the money flowing, he said. 572 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 3: He said, I wouldn't say I was super illusioned to 573 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 3: begin with. He was asking if he was disillusion I 574 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 3: wouldn't say I was super illusioned to begin with, he shrugged, 575 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 3: before launching into a blistering critique of government spending. Despite 576 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 3: the heavy political talk, the X owner frequently veered into 577 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 3: the personal. He confessed that AI nightmares still jolt him 578 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 3: awake many days in a row. 579 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 2: Wow. 580 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 3: Well, if you're twenty percent convinced that something you're building 581 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 3: is going to destroy humankind, which he is, I could 582 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 3: see why maybe you'd wake up worried about that. I 583 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 3: have not had an AI nightmare as yet. I had 584 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,880 Speaker 3: a radio nightmare last night. What was it was, Oh, 585 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 3: trying to hook up some equipment or something like that, 586 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 3: trying to get the microphones work on the show and 587 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 3: I couldn't or whatever. 588 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: What does that mean? I've got a lot of loose 589 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: ends in my life right now. 590 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 3: I'm having trouble getting to work the way I want 591 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 3: them to work, family, structuring, all these different sort of things. 592 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 3: It was clearly that I just couldn't get a task accomplished. 593 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 3: The frustration of this is not coming together with the 594 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 3: way I wanted to. I think that was kind of it. Yeah, 595 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 3: or I ate spicy food. There's more of gravy than 596 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: the grave about you. 597 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: That's a quote from a Christmas carol. And the nature 598 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 2: of diet versus bad dreams. 599 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 3: There's two things interesting I thought in that Elon Musk interview. 600 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 3: One the fact that he like lots of people, like 601 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 3: lots of normal people who touch Washington, d C. And 602 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: have other things to do in their lives. They realize 603 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 3: there's no fixing this swamp. You know, there are other 604 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 3: people that go there and think I need to be 605 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 3: part of this. That's how I'm going to become rich, 606 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 3: And they do lots and lots of people. 607 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: But he's already rich, so he doesn't need to do that. 608 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 2: He just gave it a world thought. 609 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 3: Man, people go nuts when you try to cut anything, 610 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 3: including things that are completely worthless. 611 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 2: He talks about. 612 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 3: How, you know, if I hadn't done that, people wouldn't 613 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 3: be setting my cars on fire. So I kind of 614 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 3: wish I hadn't gotten involved. 615 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what's I think it's way more interesting 616 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 2: than it seems, way more significant than it seems on 617 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 2: the surface. That if I'm part of the swamp, profiting 618 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 2: from it mightily and spreading out money and enhancing my 619 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 2: own wealth and power, fiscal responsibility even over there doesn't 620 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 2: affect me directly. It's a zombie program, you know, whatever 621 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 2: you're gonna fight. It reminds me the Omni cause where 622 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: you got you know, Native American lesbians standing up for 623 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: Palestinian terrorists and whatever. You can't let anybody cut anything. Ever, Well, 624 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: it's a call for fiscal responsibility. I mean, that is 625 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,760 Speaker 2: the penicillin that would end your you know, infection in DC. Sure, 626 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 2: it's an example of they came for the payouts to 627 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: dead people social Security checks and I said nothing, right. 628 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: And the next thing, you came for the Department of 629 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 2: the Interior, whatever that does, and I said nothing exactly, yeah, 630 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: And it. 631 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 3: Came for my scam, and there was no one left 632 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: to fight for me. 633 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: It's profoundly discouraging too, Yes, it is. And I forgot 634 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: to mention this. 635 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,280 Speaker 3: So I saw this portrayed in a couple of different 636 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:14,760 Speaker 3: mainstream organizations. 637 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: Is kind of like a huh huh. He got his 638 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 2: kind of showed him exactly. We showed him. 639 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 3: Dare try to step in and cut anything out of 640 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 3: the government. What is wrong with you? 641 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another interesting question. When tribalism leads people to 642 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 2: defend the indefensible, I mean literally indefensible. You cannot with 643 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 2: a straight face in favor of government waste. 644 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 3: I don't understand how being a progressive fits in with 645 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 3: making sure dead people get their Social Security checks. 646 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 2: I don't get it, this knee jerk tribalism like I 647 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 2: was talking about. You know, I've got a really really good, thorough, interesting, 648 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: thought provoking description of what's going on with the whole 649 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 2: Obamacare subsidy debate right now, and it's the sort of 650 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: coverage you won't get anywhere else. And part of me 651 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 2: doesn't want to even bother. 652 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 3: Once again, Michael, it's number two cry for help, second 653 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,240 Speaker 3: cry for help in one show. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 654 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 3: cry for I'm through with this crap. I think we 655 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 3: got to do a wellness check. 656 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna call someone during the break, call anybody you 657 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,879 Speaker 2: want who gives a crap. It's all for not We'll 658 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 2: all be dead soon. 659 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 1: What Jack Armstrong and Joe The Armstrong and Getty Show,