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Speaker 1: You are listening to Ruthie's Table four in partnership with Montclair.

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Speaker 1: In September, the River Cafe will be thirty six years old,

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Speaker 1: and one of the great joys of having a restaurant

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Speaker 1: for so long is watching the second generation and now

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Speaker 1: even a third generation of her early customers grow up.

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Speaker 1: Adwa's parents, Charles Boa and Camilla Luther, have been part

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Speaker 1: of the River Cafe family since reopened, and ad was

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Speaker 1: gone from being a young child ordering pasta, butter and

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Speaker 1: cheese and then playing in the garden space outside with

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Speaker 1: her friends to a formidable woman focused on the political

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Speaker 1: and social issues relevant today. After her own struggles with

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Speaker 1: mental health and to support young women's well being, she

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Speaker 1: founded the organization Girls Talk, providing a safe space for

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Speaker 1: girls to access resources, share experiences, create community, and feel

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Speaker 1: less alone, a place to escape the chaos of the

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Speaker 1: every day. I think a beautiful phrase today. Ad was

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Speaker 1: just come from the kitchen grilling scallops and frying zucchini,

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Speaker 1: and she's going to tell us what she learned and

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Speaker 1: read the recipe so you can cook this at home.

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Speaker 1: It's both moving and exciting for me to have d

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Speaker 1: we're here, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Oh so nice.

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Speaker 1: So you've been in the kitchen then in the River

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Speaker 1: Cafe kitchen, which do you remember coming here all.

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Speaker 2: The time all the time Ronnie and Johnathan? Yeah, they

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Speaker 2: used to take us all the time.

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Speaker 1: And you've just been in the kitchen, and so you

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Speaker 1: watched your request for the recipe with scallops grilled scallops

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Speaker 1: with chili and zucchini.

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Speaker 3: My name's Adriana and I'm a chepher at the River

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Speaker 3: Cafe and today I'm cooking some scallops on the grilling.

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Speaker 2: That now, Joan, I'm not cooking anything. You can cook

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Speaker 2: it with me if you want to. Okay, cool.

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Speaker 3: We put them in the center of the grill because

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Speaker 3: that's the hardest place.

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Speaker 2: How long do you have to leave them on?

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Speaker 3: Not very long at all. So you just keep them,

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Speaker 3: don't move them around, keep them where they are, and

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Speaker 2: Kind of coming off.

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Speaker 3: You can kind of look at the bottom and see

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Speaker 3: how they're cooking, because if you move them too quickly

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Speaker 3: then they'll stick.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, and.

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Speaker 3: Then we're gonna get some pretty may I think, Harry,

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Speaker 3: you're doing pretty right? Can you drop some pretty for us?

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Speaker 1: So we have two recipes. One I think it's really

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Speaker 1: for the batter for the zucchini, and then quite simple the.

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Speaker 2: Scales, scallops and zucchini pretty four firm ripe zucchini, one

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Speaker 2: litera sunflower oil for the batter. One cup all purpose flour,

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Speaker 2: three tablespoons extra virgin olive oil. I get always get

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Speaker 2: really confus use that the tablespoon and teaspoon.

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Speaker 1: There is a different.

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Speaker 2: Like the way it's written.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's tablespoon tsp.

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Speaker 2: Isp three tablespoons extra virgin olive oil, three tablespoons warm water,

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Speaker 2: three egg whites, scallops, sixteen shelled sea scallops, two lemons

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Speaker 2: extra virgin olival Cut the zucchini into ovals, then into

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Speaker 2: thick matchsticks for the batter. Sift the flour into a bowl,

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Speaker 2: warm water to make a batter the consistency of heavy cream.

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Speaker 2: Leave for thirty minutes. Heat the oil in a high

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Speaker 2: sided pan to three hundred and seventy five degrees. Beat

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Speaker 2: the egg whites until stiff and fold into the batter.

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Speaker 2: Dip zucchini, then fry in batch in hot oil until

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Speaker 2: golden and crisp. Serve immediately scallops. Heat the grill. Season

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Speaker 2: the scallops very generously on both sides with salt and pepper.

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Speaker 2: Actually she said only salt and then pepper at the end.

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Speaker 1: Don't put the pepper on, Yeah, don't, Okay.

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Speaker 2: It burns quickly, so put the pepper on after place

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Speaker 2: on the grill until lightly brown and crisp. Then turn

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Speaker 2: over the grill. On the other side. The scallop should

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Speaker 2: be tender on the inside and crisp on the surface.

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Speaker 2: Serve with lemon and a drizzle of olive oil. And

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Speaker 2: I had some chili online. So do you have to

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Speaker 3: That's the really fun part about working here is that

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Speaker 3: you get to plate all of your.

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Speaker 2: Food because where who would usually do that?

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Speaker 3: Like Anton, so you bring it up to the past

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Speaker 3: and maybe someone on the pass would play it, but

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Speaker 3: I mean, for me, it's really satisfying.

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Speaker 1: God wos.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm coming here for dinner.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about going to Vogue with Edward, because we did.

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Speaker 1: When Edward Nfl became the editor, we did the party.

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Speaker 1: Remember that we had a party for him That was

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Speaker 1: a great party. You were the cover for his first year.

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Speaker 2: That was mad, that Vogue party. I remember that like

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Speaker 2: it was yesterday. I remember us driving here and I,

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Speaker 2: you know, Edward, and I still laugh about it now.

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Speaker 2: It's like it wasn't naivety. I think it was just

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Speaker 2: to both of us. It was like this, we were

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Speaker 2: embarking on this new journey, and it wasn't necessarily that

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Speaker 2: like my mom and dad and system. We pulled up

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Speaker 2: the Shepherd's Bush roundabout and it was projected on Shepherd's

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Speaker 2: I looked on my phone and it was just like

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Speaker 2: going mad and I actually like broke out into hives.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, this is so much.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know how to deal with this situation.

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Speaker 2: I pulled up the River Cafe and Edwin and I

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Speaker 2: just giggled. We could not stop laughing. I think we

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Speaker 2: were both so overwhelmed by what had happened that we

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Speaker 2: kind of just like could not stop laughing. It was mad.

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Speaker 2: It still feels really mad.

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Speaker 1: We all had ravioli. We had this long discussion before

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Speaker 1: whether all the Vogue people, the models and the actresses

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Speaker 1: and the young beauties of today would actually have gluten carbs,

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Speaker 1: cheese butter, and whether we would serve it. We did,

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Speaker 1: and bo was actually really cool because we said, do

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Speaker 1: you want to find out what people whyn't you? They get?

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Speaker 1: Now we're done with that. We're done with you know,

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Speaker 1: if you have a food preference, we're just going to

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Speaker 1: do the menu and what they eat. They did, and

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Speaker 1: everybody had Reveali and everybody. A lot of people had

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Speaker 1: seconds of viali. And yet the whole issue with the

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Speaker 2: I think I don't remember being worried. I think there

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Speaker 2: I lived in a house full of women, so sometimes

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Speaker 2: when someone would get a bit like weird with food

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Speaker 2: bleeds into everyone else within the community, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. We see that all the time. And I

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Speaker 2: think when I started modeling, I don't again remember feeling

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Speaker 2: that pressured about it. I think I just felt like

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Speaker 2: wasn't necessarily like kind of weight related. I think there's

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Speaker 2: always been like parts of my body that I haven't

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Speaker 1: Are you the kind of person that can eat but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've always done lots and lots of sports.

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Speaker 1: But were other models that you were with? What did

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Speaker 2: I got weird with food for a period of time

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Speaker 2: actually when I got sober, and they call it that transference,

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Speaker 2: like aware of like dropping way. I think. I've always

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Speaker 2: So my body has changed, like you know, over the

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Speaker 2: kind of within the industry. And yes, it has changed

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Speaker 1: Playing, and I almost find it painful. I haven't been

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Speaker 1: but there is something as a woman to see women

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Speaker 2: Bit yeah, And also when you know that someone's like

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Speaker 2: When you know someone's kind of suffering with and you know,

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Speaker 1: Were you born here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very much. So it was always something that we did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah? She cooked, and then she had a woman who

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Speaker 2: Like, it's amazing. I mean, you've got the joll Off rice,

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Speaker 2: We'd stay for like two weeks. I have some cousins

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Speaker 1: Was it like growing up in your house? You have

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Speaker 2: My house has always been a place that is kind

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Speaker 2: My mum has always been like an entertainer, my dad

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Speaker 1: But were you kids part of it? Yeah, you kind of.

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Speaker 1: Would you go out a lot? Would you go out? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: We do such amazing things, you know what. That's the

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Speaker 2: We weren't allowed, but we'd like sneak it in and

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Speaker 2: On Fridays we were allowed like to order in Indian

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Speaker 2: it wasn't that bad.

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Speaker 1: How old were you thirteen to eighteen five years? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: then you'd come back weekends or would youday?

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Speaker 2: Well, you were only allowed what do they call it?

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Speaker 1: Then from Millfield you went to university, went to what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where is Brunel? That's an Oxbridge. I mean I

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Speaker 2: I can't remember which one it was. Because you realize

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we were talking about whether university matters.

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Speaker 1: So what was that like?

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Speaker 2: Obviously wanted to save money, so lived at home.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had the best time because I think it

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Speaker 2: I was back. It was more it was predominantly I mean,

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Speaker 2: It was like I'd grown up completely different to a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So living at home, did it come back? Did

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Speaker 2: It was very weird. I wouldn't say it was a

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Speaker 2: you know, I think they thought sending me to Boiling

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Speaker 2: was honest and I've you know, I've spoken to about

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Speaker 2: this anyway, I think coming back home after five years,

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Speaker 2: I was a bit like, you can't really tell me

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Speaker 2: what to do, do you know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 2: we haven't lived together for five years, so I think

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Speaker 2: that dynamic was quite hard on our relationship. I think

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Speaker 2: I probably regressed. I think I wasn't used to the

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Speaker 2: fact that I was back living under their roof, and

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Speaker 2: I was like very much a different person.

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Speaker 1: I remember once saying to my father. I might have

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Speaker 1: said this one before, saying to my father when I

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Speaker 1: was thirty or twenty eight or whatever, and I've been

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Speaker 1: living in London and working, and my parents lived in

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Speaker 1: the upstate New York and would start and I once

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Speaker 1: went home and I was said to my dad, Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to leave the baby and going to New

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Speaker 1: York tomorrow. And he said, I don't think you should

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Speaker 1: do that. And I said, you know what, I live

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Speaker 1: in London and I work and I don't have to

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Speaker 1: ask anybody's you know, nice way said provision. But it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that when you know, I go home, I don't

457
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Speaker 1: know whether I'm a child or I'm an adult. And

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Speaker 1: he said, I'll make it really easy for you with

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Speaker 1: you the minute you walk in that door, you're a child.

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Speaker 1: And it was actually quite nice because I thought, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of why I like going home, you know, is

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Speaker 1: it suddenly somebody's saying, you know, no one you stay

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Speaker 1: here or whatever. It was just interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's like a dance, isn't it. You have to learn

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Speaker 2: how to live with each other again.

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Speaker 1: The River Cafe Cafe are all day space and just

467
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Speaker 1: steps away from the restaurant. Is now open in the

468
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Speaker 1: morning an Italian breakfast with cornetti, chiambella and cristata from

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Speaker 1: our pastry kitchen. In the afternoon, ice creamed coops and

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Speaker 1: River Cafe classic desserts. We have sharing plates Salumi, misty mozzarella, brisqueto,

471
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Speaker 1: red and yellow peppers for Tello, tonato and more. Come

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Speaker 1: in the evening for cocktails with our resident pianist in

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Speaker 1: the bar. No need to book. See you here when

474
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Speaker 1: you went to Brune. What were you think of majoring?

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Speaker 1: What was your theata?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I finished, That's why I majored it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Did you eat out a lot? Did you party?

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Speaker 2: Did you? Yeah? I went out all the time, all

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Speaker 2: the time. I mean we were so here was this?

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Speaker 2: I was eighteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we were born in nineteen nineteen ninety two. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So what did I finish school twenty ten? Yeah? Yeah,

483
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Speaker 2: we had the best time. I worked as soon as

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Speaker 2: I kind of finished school, mardeling. There were bits and modeling,

485
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Speaker 2: but it wasn't there was like a different time, do

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean? So I worked in the shop,

487
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: I worked as a nanny. But we were so we

488
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 2: had so much fun, do you know what I mean?

489
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Speaker 2: We was like I don't know how it is for you, Pearl,

490
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 2: but we just we were so carefree and mad and

491
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: doing our thing and we yeah, and we all pile

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Speaker 2: our money. Yeah, I mean just but I just mean

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Speaker 2: being young, do you know what I mean? It's like

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Speaker 2: we weren't bothered about kind of what clothes we were

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Speaker 2: wearing or anything like that. We didn't have the pressure

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Speaker 2: of like social media or anything like that. It was

497
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Speaker 2: just about being in a gang, do you know what

498
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Speaker 2: I mean, and roaming the streets and.

499
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Speaker 1: Most was it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, mostly I've always been a girls girl. And we'd

501
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Speaker 2: all put our money together and like share one meal,

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Speaker 2: like poor restaurants where we'd just sit for hours and

503
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Speaker 2: hours and hours outside kind of coffee shop, sharing one

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Speaker 2: coffee between like five of us, and they're like, can

505
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Speaker 2: you leave? If you're not going to buy anything, can

506
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Speaker 2: you leave? Or we'd go to like kind of my

507
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Speaker 2: friend Josh Delissa, who might as well be my brother,

508
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Speaker 2: he had a restaurant called Boomberger. We'd go in there

509
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Speaker 2: get cheap prices. We had some Mexican restaurants around the area,

510
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Speaker 2: and we'd all put our money together to share like

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Speaker 2: kind of one plate of food. Because I mean we

512
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Speaker 2: were quite naughty. We were spending our money on like alcohol,

513
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Speaker 2: going out, so we didn't really have a massive interest

514
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Speaker 2: in spending our money on food.

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Speaker 1: So modeling, when did that happen? I mean, how did

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Speaker 1: that happen?

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Speaker 2: I mean I've been modeling on and off since I

518
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Speaker 2: was probably since I left school. So since I was

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00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: eighteen now, I did a few bits and pieces like before,

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Speaker 2: but my mom was very strict about and my dad

521
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Speaker 2: as well about finishing school. Modeling kind of took quite

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Speaker 2: a long time to kind of take off. So that's

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Speaker 2: why I kind of worked.

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Speaker 1: Did you enjoy it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've learned to like it more. I

526
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Speaker 2: learned to like it when I it's cheesy. Is this

527
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 2: sounds when I started to like myself, to be quite honest,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, that's when it became more fun.

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Speaker 2: And yes, there are days when I'm on my period

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Speaker 2: or I'm a bit exhausted, when I'm like, this is

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Speaker 2: literally the last thing I want to do, you know

532
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Speaker 2: what I mean. There's be like kind of showcased in

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Speaker 2: front of a bunch of people, and then kind of

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Speaker 2: it's like Instagram have to kind of and then I

535
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Speaker 2: start picking apart my kind of who I am, you

536
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Speaker 2: know what I mean, face value, not who I am

537
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Speaker 2: as a person actually, But I can ask questions what

538
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: made you want to do a podcast? I think it

539
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: goes back to this this idea of storytelling, I think,

540
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Speaker 2: and the information out there on what lived experience does

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Speaker 2: in regards to stigma reduction and suicide reduction, and so

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Speaker 2: I couldn't think of a better place. There's something about

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Speaker 2: an honest conversation and honest chat. Yeah, there's so much

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Speaker 2: like intimacy within that and to just listen to some

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Speaker 2: And I think it really was that it's like to

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Speaker 2: talk to someone, to hear their side of a story,

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Speaker 2: to hear where they've come from and where they're at

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Speaker 2: and where they hope to be. I think that's definitely

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Speaker 2: the essence of having the podcast, is that idea that

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Speaker 2: when we hear someone else's story, we're going to feel

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Speaker 2: less alone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you will be talking about Girls Talk. Tell

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Speaker 1: me when the next series that you're so excited about

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Speaker 1: is coming out?

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Speaker 2: So podcast, I'd say, just keep a lookout. It will

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Speaker 2: be towards the end of the year. Keep a lookout

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Speaker 2: for September. How do we look for it? Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: just our Instagram handles Girls Talk and My Girls Talk,

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Speaker 2: gu are Ls Talk.

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Speaker 1: Do you listen to Girls Talk?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I but to you, like, I love listening to things

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Speaker 4: that say, like you know, I lovely things. It's just like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: that so should be said, that should be spoken about more,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? People sphere of speaking out

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Speaker 4: stops them from strengths like saying the truth, you know,

567
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Speaker 4: as I really like about it, you know, like speaking

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Speaker 4: about grievouses or trauma or like mental health, like all

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Speaker 4: those type of things are just not talked about enough.

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Speaker 2: And I think I can't wait for the new season

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Speaker 2: to come out. I feel more grown up and even

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Speaker 2: more opinionated and even more confident. I find, and I

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Speaker 2: don't know if this is because of social media or

574
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Speaker 2: cancel culture, that sometimes we're quite agreeable with each other,

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Speaker 2: and I want to have conversations that aren't always with

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Speaker 2: people that I agree with. I want to also learn

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Speaker 2: about things that I have no idea about, and I

578
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Speaker 2: want to sometimes have those uncomfortable conversations where I'm not

579
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Speaker 2: only kind of not necessarily agreeing with the other person,

580
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Speaker 2: but I'm also being checked about what I don't know

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Speaker 2: and the ways that I think about things. Do you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean? And so we've kind of changed

583
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Speaker 2: that and it's going to be really cool. We've got

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Speaker 2: some megapeople on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love hearing people's stories, you know. I love meeting people,

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00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: you know who I like different backgrounds exactly.

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Speaker 1: Everybody comes in with a story. Look around it. I've

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Speaker 1: had people come in and say, ah, you know, look

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Speaker 1: at how this fabulous restaurant and I've had such a

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Speaker 1: hard time lately, And like if you went to every table,

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Speaker 1: everybody would have a story a story about Yeah. But

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Speaker 1: you know people, you know, we all think that you

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Speaker 1: see all these people and their lives are perfect, and

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Speaker 1: then you find out one that's just been divorced, or

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Speaker 1: they've had a kid with addiction, or they have everybody.

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Speaker 2: Has a story.

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Speaker 1: And so those smiling, happy faces, whether you see them

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Speaker 1: on Instagram or hear you know that that everybody has

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Speaker 1: a story. And as you say, I love walking around

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Speaker 1: and just hearing a bit of the story saying hello.

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Speaker 1: Do you think peril that? Do you think that's when?

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Speaker 1: When Daware talked about social media pressure, do you think

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Speaker 1: that exists now a lot?

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Speaker 4: I think, especially hearing about what you were saying about

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Speaker 4: how when you were a kids and used to like

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Speaker 4: it's to be much different to its now because you

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Speaker 4: have social media. I think ever really affects more how

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Speaker 4: people look at themselves because your Instagram and you've got TikTok,

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Speaker 4: and you've got all these things, and if you don't

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Speaker 4: have it, you're like not in with the times. But

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Speaker 4: if you do, then you're just making yourself feel worse

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Speaker 4: by yourself. But you can't be like like for example,

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Speaker 4: and people are like, oh, I don't want social media.

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Speaker 1: It's bad.

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Speaker 2: People are down.

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Speaker 1: On you for it.

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Speaker 4: But maality, it's much better if you didn't have it,

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Speaker 4: Like for you're probably happier in those times than that

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Speaker 4: kids are now, oh one.

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Speaker 2: Hundred percent, because it's there's one thing, you know, getting

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Speaker 2: to know yourself and figuring out who you are over

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Speaker 2: those like thirteen to eighteen and then onwards, do you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean? It was like such a confusing

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Speaker 2: time and that that's already like you know, I was

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Speaker 2: talking to these girls the other day, like thirteen to fourteen,

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Speaker 2: and that was a question like what would you say

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Speaker 2: to your younger self? And I would be like, I

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Speaker 2: used to scrutinize every single thing I did, the shoes

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Speaker 2: I wore, the way I wore my eyeliner, the way

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Speaker 2: my hair was, the way I carried my bag, the

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Speaker 2: way I walked, you know what I mean. I was

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Speaker 2: like always on my case about every single movement. And

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Speaker 2: I think I would tell everyone that you don't need

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Speaker 2: to do that. I wish I'd stop putting so much

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Speaker 2: pressure on myself because you realize when your world gets

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Speaker 2: bigger than none of them truly matters, do you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? And I think to add in the

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Speaker 2: pressure of having to kind of be perceived by other people,

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Speaker 2: it's like I already was kind of self conscious, so

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Speaker 2: to then have to kind of portray a person that

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Speaker 2: I maybe wasn't hadn't become yet, do you know. I

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Speaker 2: mean something that was maybe just kind of performative would

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Speaker 2: have been like an added pressure at that time.

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Speaker 1: And you know what happens at any age, you know,

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Speaker 1: I can, you know, for talking women's My husband died

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Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, and sometimes I just

648
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Speaker 1: look on Instagram and go, you know, another happy family,

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Speaker 1: you know, and the beach resorder, another grandparents with their grandear.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have that life, but you know, it's

651
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Speaker 1: very You can look at it in terms of whether

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Speaker 1: you're thin enough, whether you're you know, whether your hair

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Speaker 1: is as beautiful, whether you're a certain type with the

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Speaker 1: clothes you're wearing, the way you carry a handbag, or

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Speaker 1: you can look at it families and you can see

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Speaker 1: you know, it just feels that there's I really I

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Speaker 1: never post from a vacation. I really knew that a

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Speaker 1: long time. But there's nothing worse than a day like

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Speaker 1: today working and then you see somebody on there you know.

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Speaker 2: It's I do it.

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Speaker 1: There's a Is it acting what you wanted to do

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Speaker 1: when you went to Brunel?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what. From thirteen until eighteen, I did that

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Speaker 2: at school and then I went on to study that

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Speaker 2: at Brunel and then kind of life took a different direction,

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Speaker 2: not only kind of personally, and then it became something

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Speaker 2: you know, then I kind of fell into modeling and

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00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: that started taking over. So I kind of jumped on

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Speaker 2: that bandwagon and that led me to where I am now.

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Speaker 2: And then I think just before COVID, I made a

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Speaker 2: kind of decision that I wanted to give it another go,

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Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to put one in it and

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Speaker 2: see where it would take me, because I think when

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Speaker 2: I first left university had a different head of my

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Speaker 2: shoulders and my priorities were warped and I wasn't a

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Speaker 2: very happy person. So I didn't, you know, have the

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Speaker 2: the capability to give it one hundred percent. So that's

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Speaker 2: where I'm at now, I'm I'm on that journey and

679
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Speaker 2: I absolutely love it. It's just ridiculously hard. Respect to Allah.

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Speaker 2: I would love to do theater one day, but at

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Speaker 2: the moment it's it's TV infel. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And now you're living in your own apartment. How is that? Oh?

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Speaker 2: It's really nice.

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Speaker 1: Do you have an open kitchen as well? What's it like?

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Speaker 2: Kitchen? It's my kitchen's yellow, blue and white tiles, I mean,

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Speaker 2: describe it. It's very much open, and I've got an

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Speaker 2: island in the middle that has like a kind of

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Speaker 2: heart boner engraved in it that my friend Jeff did.

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Speaker 2: It's got a massive, big, like kind of teak table

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Speaker 2: with matching chairs that I've polstered in like leopard brint.

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Speaker 1: How you like your parents? Do you like people coming

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Speaker 1: to you instead of you going to that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I love it. I mean I think to a

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Speaker 2: certain extent. I grew up in an African household, so

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Speaker 2: the idea that we were going to spend the night

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Speaker 2: at other people's houses was like something that was like

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Speaker 2: my dad just did not understand. He's like, you have

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Speaker 2: a bed, you have a house, Like, why do you

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Speaker 2: need to go and stay at someone else's house. There

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Speaker 2: were certain people that we went to, but like eating

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Speaker 2: at home and sleeping at home has always been like

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Speaker 2: a kind of a priority with a house, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was talking to Pearl about it. Actually, I mean

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Speaker 2: I actually eat in a lot. I now spend a

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Speaker 2: lot of time between London and la And when I

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Speaker 2: was working before COVID, I didn't really have the time

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Speaker 2: to cook. It wasn't necessarily a priority of mine. So

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Speaker 2: I used to order a lot of takeaway. And I

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Speaker 2: think after COVID, I started really prioritizing what was important,

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Speaker 2: so I did have more time. And so my boyfriend's

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Speaker 2: are really good cook My sister lives with me and

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Speaker 2: she's an amazing cook. I like cooking if it's like

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Speaker 2: family or people who are really close to me. I

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Speaker 2: don't feel the pressure. I'm not the idea of cooking

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Speaker 2: for like ten people or something that doesn't excite me.

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Speaker 2: If I'm cooking for myself, it's like simple things like

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Speaker 2: fish and vegetables or eggs, soup, you know, stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: No I don't eat eat No, No, I haven't eaten.

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Speaker 2: You're not weirdly, I've started like I think I've just

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Speaker 2: been listening to my body a bit more, and so

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Speaker 2: like if it's the time of the month or something

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Speaker 2: like that, I'm like, oh, I kind of really feel

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Speaker 2: like some met and I've never had that before. So

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Speaker 2: I kind of am listening to my body a bit more.

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Speaker 2: But it's still very much like kind of in when

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Speaker 2: I'm cooking at home, especially in LA. We have like

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Speaker 2: a tiny, tiny kitchen, so we're not gonna cook fish

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Speaker 2: because it would just make the whole house smile, like

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Speaker 2: fish the little flat we have. So we cook a

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Speaker 2: lot of vegetarian stuff in LA, and then at home,

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Speaker 2: you know, I have more space and so we cook

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Speaker 2: lots of different things and have people around. I wish

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Speaker 2: I I've grown up in a household full of amazing cooks.

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Speaker 2: My cousin's amazing cook, my aunt and my uncle everyone.

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Speaker 2: You know, they have recipes that were handwritten by my

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Speaker 2: grandma about certain things. Yeah. That and I think I

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Speaker 2: remember my mum always say my mom's mom. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: always remember my mom, Like I mean, there were there

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Speaker 2: are many things that were kind of sad when her

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Speaker 2: mom died. But I think she always thinks about, you know,

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Speaker 2: when she needs on on certain recipes. She always thinks

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Speaker 2: about the idea of calling my grandma, and my dad

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Speaker 2: is an amazing cook as well, and so I should

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Speaker 2: be more interested in it.

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Speaker 1: Well, i'm the cleaner.

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Speaker 2: I'm the cleaner.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine. I think everybody figures out I do

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Speaker 1: the dishes.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's fine.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when it became possible for you to

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Speaker 1: go out to you to not think about how much

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Speaker 1: it cost.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good question, I think. So I

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Speaker 2: moved twenty seventeen. I moved to LA when I got sober,

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Speaker 2: But I don't I wasn't eating out that much, to

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Speaker 2: be quite honest, I didn't have the money I was.

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Speaker 2: I'd kind of taken a year off and my mum

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Speaker 2: and dad were supporting me for the first time in

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Speaker 2: a long time, which I found like kind of incredibly uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: So I kind of was under certain budget, do you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean? And I think probably maybe when

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Speaker 2: I really could just like go to the restaurants and

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Speaker 2: come here and like pay for myself. I probably was

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Speaker 2: about twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Had come from modeling or to acting.

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Speaker 2: Or yeah, modeling, Yeah, yeah, that was a big change. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: moving to New York. So I moved to New York

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Speaker 2: when I was twenty four, had my twenty fifth birthday

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Speaker 2: in New York, and that's probably when it started to change.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's when I could like order a takeaway

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Speaker 2: or like go to this restaurant called Lucy n and

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Speaker 2: like or get my friend a meal or pay.

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Speaker 1: You're not alone in that, you know that. It was

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Speaker 1: something that I was talk When I talked to David Beckham,

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Speaker 1: he said he remembered when he took Victoria and they

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Speaker 1: could actually you know, I have to completely look at

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Speaker 1: the prices on the right hand side. Or Paul McCartney

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Speaker 1: saying that he thought wine was a horrible drink because

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Speaker 1: he could only afford the cheapest, cheapest, cheapest wine because

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Speaker 1: we know it's pretty. Wine was a horrible drink until

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Speaker 1: he went out with Brian you know Epstein, who was

782
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Speaker 1: his manager, and they ordered a fantastic puddle of the

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Speaker 1: feet and oh that's what wine is.

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Speaker 2: The main thing is is I've never tried a good

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Speaker 2: glass of wine. Well never, yeah, no, But but I

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Speaker 2: got sober when I was twenty. I got sober when

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Speaker 2: I was twenty two, so I wasn't like spending the

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Speaker 2: money and like we were going to the corner shop

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Speaker 2: and getting like a Casaillio dabble, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: and like a cheap bottle of tequila with a hat

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Speaker 2: on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, and so I've never actually, you know, I've never

794
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Speaker 2: had a like stunning cocktail. I've never had a like

795
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: beautiful glass of wine. And it's fine, but it is

796
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Speaker 2: mad to think that I've never actually because and to

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Speaker 2: be honest, like that's why I could probably like go

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Speaker 2: and eat out, do you know. I mean, I've never

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Speaker 2: had the expense of having to kind of buy alcohol.

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Speaker 1: And I suppose you know, for me, that is you know,

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Speaker 1: we all have reasons why we eat the food we eat.

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00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: Food can be something you have when you're hungry, could

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Speaker 1: be something that you have when you want to cook

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00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: or you want to entertain. It can be food can

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00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: be alleviation of pain or sadness. So I suppose that

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Speaker 1: my last question to you is what would you turn

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Speaker 1: to if you needed food for comfort?

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Speaker 2: I go home, definitely. I don't know if it's anything

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Speaker 2: in particular. I think it would just be something cooked

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Speaker 2: by my mom and dad. Anything that was put in

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Speaker 2: front of me would feel comforting.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful and a beautiful wait to end a wonderful

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Speaker 1: thank you. I love you, I love you. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: love you. Pl. Thanks, thank you, Thank you for listening

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