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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio zaren.

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Speaker 3: I was talking to Sorry, are they good? They're good?

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Speaker 3: They were licking my hand. Oh, that sounds wrong. They

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Speaker 3: don't tell hr. No, I won't the four Legged ones,

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Speaker 3: how are we?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Because I was gonna say, like for the other ones,

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Speaker 2: for like Braiden Limb, jay Lee and Jaye. I was like,

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Speaker 2: those two, Oh my god, I don't want to give

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Speaker 2: them the college credits that they're supposed to be earning. No,

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Speaker 2: they Braiden Limb erased all the emails again again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that they've lost their car, or at

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Speaker 3: least lied to me and said that they couldn't come

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Speaker 3: into work because they lost their car. I don't know

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Speaker 3: which one it is.

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Speaker 2: No, I can't tell. I can't tell them apart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like, is that a lie or just an

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Speaker 3: ambition of your stupidity?

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Speaker 2: I know, we'll both do you know what?

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Speaker 3: It's ridiculous? I do, Elizabeth. Yeah, this is kind of

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Speaker 3: a little bit more serious and a heartfelt plea for

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Speaker 3: the world to slow down and stop changing, because I'm

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Speaker 3: not a fan of all these changes.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know you and me both, sister.

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Speaker 3: No book for real like, okay, I don't know about you.

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Speaker 3: I loved mass market paperbacks, those little books. They would

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Speaker 3: fit in your back pocket. When I was in college,

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Speaker 3: I was known to always have a book on me

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Speaker 3: because I wore big pants like junko, totally like big

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Speaker 3: sake skateboard pants.

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Speaker 2: Put like two friends in each leg.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I could put a forty in my front pockets.

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Speaker 3: I used to used to steal a pound of cheese

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Speaker 3: from the Safeway on Marcus Street and Church.

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Speaker 2: They looked like ball gowns.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was. It was insane. We used to

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Speaker 3: do so much. But one times friends we used always

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Speaker 3: amuse themselves and ask me to empty my pockets and

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Speaker 3: it would take like twenty five minutes because I had

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Speaker 3: so much in there, anything way more than what I

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Speaker 3: have now, which is like basically a pocket knife and

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Speaker 3: a couple other things like a lucky penny, a rock

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Speaker 3: or two.

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Speaker 2: Then it was like tell the truth, Tell the truth

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Speaker 2: about what you keep in the like kangaroo pouch of

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Speaker 2: your hoodie, what you have like a notebook, a pen, yeah,

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Speaker 2: an extra pair of glasses, a rock.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I still do the same thing.

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Speaker 2: There's just random I've seen you have to empty it

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Speaker 2: out to security.

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Speaker 3: If you see me going to the airport, always like sir,

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Speaker 3: could you consolidate some of this stuff? They always complained

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Speaker 3: to me at security about how much stuff out in

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Speaker 3: my pocket, or they'll wave somebody over to look at

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Speaker 3: how much stuff came out, Like I'm like a drunk kangaroo.

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Speaker 4: I'll just pulling.

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Speaker 2: Stuff seeing you like look for something. Oh no, we

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Speaker 2: were at some show and you were pulling out Okay,

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Speaker 2: my phone, some glasses, here's a rock, and pads and

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Speaker 2: a pen, and then an unopened can of sparkling water.

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Speaker 3: It's true anyway.

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Speaker 2: And that thing of trail mix, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the trail mix. A pack of a trail mix. Okay,

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Speaker 3: they get peckish. So I used to always be known

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Speaker 3: for having a mass market paperback on me, you know,

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Speaker 3: like just like a John D. McDonald mystery just whatever,

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Speaker 3: like a lot of mysteries generally. And I've learned recently

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Speaker 3: they are stopping the publication of mass market paperbacks. They're

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Speaker 3: and I don't even have a kindle. I think I've

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Speaker 3: been given a couple of gifts on never use them,

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Speaker 3: and I have to find those and dust them off,

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Speaker 3: because my favorite form of book well pocket size.

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Speaker 2: In paperback, but it's the ones that like you see

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally yeah, like yeah, all the like the Clive

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Speaker 2: And like can how that's like it keeps popping up

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Speaker 3: I'm just so bummed the end of that era. I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: come on, what about so now I have to go

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Speaker 3: to like good Wills and why.

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Speaker 2: Why people don't know how to read anymore?

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Speaker 3: That is true? Have you seen the numbers?

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Speaker 4: It's sad post post COVID.

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Speaker 3: It fell off a cliffs because before then it was

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Speaker 3: going bad and it was like all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: and then the being caught fire.

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Speaker 2: Everything, and then it burned all the way up to

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Speaker 2: the river and it set the river on fire.

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Speaker 3: Lake Erie and there's all they want. Yeah, it was ridiculous, right.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to know what else is ridiculous? I've

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Speaker 2: been hired to star in the next Marvel movie called

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Speaker 2: Hammock Woman. And if you believe that, I've got a

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Speaker 2: bridge to sell you, Yeah, this is Ridiculous Crime, a

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Speaker 2: podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's

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Speaker 2: always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: You damn right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Uh, you know. There's that old trope

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Speaker 2: that if someone's gullible, we say, well, I've got a

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Speaker 2: bridge to Celia. Oh yeah, I've heard that, and the

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Speaker 2: person is talking about the Brooklyn Bridge specifically. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: There are references to this in movies and in cartoons.

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Speaker 2: For example, the nineteen thirty seven comedy every Day is

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Speaker 2: a Holiday. In it, a bodacious babe con artist named

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Speaker 2: Peaches Oday Great Name, played by May West Yes sells.

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Speaker 2: Peaches Oday new alias sells the Brooklyn Bridge to a

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Speaker 2: guy for two hundred dollars, and the bill of sale reads,

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Speaker 2: one bridge in good condition.

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Speaker 3: Very distracted.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he was. She gets busted, she's run out

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Speaker 2: she comes back in a black wig, calling herself Mademoiselle Fifi,

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Speaker 2: and then she goes on to be elected mayor of

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Speaker 2: the city, of course, and so every day is a holiday.

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Speaker 2: Is on my watch list? Yes, my two watch list.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, there's that. In the nineteen forty nine

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Speaker 2: cartoon Bowery Bugs, Bugs sells the bridge to an old

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Speaker 2: man after charming him with the story. And so there

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Speaker 2: was a time when everyone knew this phrase. If you

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Speaker 2: believe that I've got a bridge that I want to

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Speaker 2: sell you. Oh and so it had to come from somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Where did it come from?

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you there were actually a lot of

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Speaker 2: swindlers who tried to sell people the Brooklyn Bridge.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just like one famous incident.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: let's learn a little about the thing. The Brooklyn Bridge

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Speaker 2: is one of the most important engineering landmarks in American history.

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Speaker 3: It is a good looking bridge.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know it was this big of a deal.

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Speaker 2: So it connects Manhattan and Brooklyn over the East River.

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Speaker 2: It was the first steel wire suspension bridge ever completed,

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Speaker 2: and at the time of its opening, it was one

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Speaker 2: of the longest suspension bridges in the world. So before

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Speaker 2: the bridge, if you wanted to get between Brooklyn in

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Speaker 2: New York City, you had to take the ferry. Construction

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Speaker 2: I was doing all my research. So John A. Roebling,

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Speaker 2: he was the mastermind behind the bridge. Yeah, he was

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Speaker 2: like this genius engineer. But in eighteen sixty nine, while

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Speaker 3: Oh lord, from a ferry accident. A couple He.

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Speaker 2: Smashed his foot and that's f E R R y

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sprite, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it's you know, could happen. So, yeah, tetanus and

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Speaker 2: when they're digging the giant chambers that are sunk into

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Speaker 2: decompression sickness, and so they'd be like they'd get joint pain, paralysis,

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Speaker 3: So is she kind of doing like the Edith Wilson

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Speaker 3: Woodrow Wilson thing was like I'll take this to him

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Speaker 3: and then comes that just.

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Speaker 2: Comes back he said this, Yes, okay, she was calling

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Speaker 2: the shots. So those are some fun facts. Yeah, it's fine,

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Speaker 2: which is cool, buddy. So the bridge officially opened May

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Speaker 2: Opening day major celebration US President Chester A. Arthur was there,

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Speaker 3: and kind of hanky.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Emily Robling, she got the first ceremonial ride

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Speaker 3: That is a scientist.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. And then everyone's like, oh crap, Well, if

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Speaker 2: the elephants can do.

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Speaker 3: It, we can take a parade of elephant. Fine. You

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Speaker 2: And Grandpa was on there. Really yeah, he was in

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Speaker 2: the navy and this ship was docked and they marched

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Speaker 2: them all across and he tells it bounced.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like the boat. They gave its boat on an

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Speaker 3: inverted way, like convex and they went concave right.

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Speaker 2: So many people. So it happens with these things. The

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Speaker 2: eleve they did, they needed more elephants. So when immigrants

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Speaker 2: arrived in New York via boat, they saw two things,

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Speaker 2: the Statue of Liberty and the Brooklyn Bridge. And the

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Speaker 2: was a symbol of the feeling of endless possibility.

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Speaker 3: The New World industry.

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Speaker 2: Those who were already here saw it as this marvel

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Speaker 2: Twenty three years before the bridge opened in eighteen sixty,

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Speaker 2: a boy child was born. His parents, Irish immigrants, named

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Speaker 2: So he has this big Irish family. It's like a

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Speaker 2: true American story. Seven kids, some of them even got

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Speaker 3: Wow, it's a big thing. Then, yes, back then.

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Speaker 2: And to make an even truer American story, George liked

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Speaker 3: Nice, good for you, George.

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Speaker 2: He was super charming. He's like a pretty good looking guy,

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Speaker 3: I think all those we talk about pre war buildings, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Right now exactly.

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Speaker 2: By the eighteen eighties and the eighteen nineties, Parker was

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Speaker 2: already operating confidence tricks in New York City. Yes, and

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Speaker 3: In okay go the stamp well Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Unlike short con street swindlers, the three card monte men

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Speaker 2: He would draw up forged deeds, permits, ownership papers, like

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Speaker 2: it was a huge protection. Yes, and despite his own parents'

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, he got to go with what you know.

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Speaker 2: Some out of towners as well, but like they were

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Speaker 2: they knew that this is the land of opportunity. Anything's possible,

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Speaker 2: like the laws are different, it's more open here when

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Speaker 3: And oh yeah than the landlords of old. Right.

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Speaker 2: It was intoxicating, and Parker was there to pour him

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Speaker 3: It was all right where you can look at the

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and it wasn't as centralized, so document fraud was

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Speaker 2: So Parker and all these like similar con artists, they

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Speaker 3: And did not have access to a lawyer.

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Speaker 2: No, so he had inside on site who would point

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Speaker 2: So he started selling office buildings to immigrants who thought

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Speaker 2: it's steady revenue. People go back and forth between Manhattan

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Speaker 2: And so he's thrown around all these terms. He had forged,

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Speaker 3: That's what they're looking for.

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Speaker 2: So all these victims reportedly attempted to set up toll

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Speaker 3: You don't get to charge a toll for this poor suckers.

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Speaker 3: I know, but Parker, the paint's not even dry.

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Speaker 2: The Parker was back, like he bribed the captains at

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Speaker 2: So he told new arrivals that Ulysses S. Grant was

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Speaker 2: But he didn't have the cash on hand to do it,

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Speaker 2: so he needed investors. Would they like to buy into

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Speaker 3: Won the Civil War, and they knew America.

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Speaker 2: They're like coming in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He also made a go at selling a piece of

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Speaker 4: Museum of Arts, of course names and.

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Speaker 2: Then also the most American of all landmarks, the Statue

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Speaker 2: of Liberty of course, you know, mother of exiles. Give

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Speaker 2: me you're tired, you're poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe, free,

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Speaker 2: homeless tempest tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside

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Speaker 2: the golden door. That one. That's the one.

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Speaker 3: So it's such a great phrase.

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Speaker 2: So he's just going along selling things that aren't his

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Speaker 2: to sell. There are reports that he sold the bridge

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Speaker 3: How is he finding that many buyers?

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Speaker 2: It seems like an exaggeration, but he did pull it

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Speaker 3: It seems like people like talk would get around or

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Speaker 2: But they're new, you're right off the boat.

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Speaker 2: You can only pull it off so many times and

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Speaker 3: I think it also because in the immigrant community this

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Speaker 2: I think. Well. And he did get arrested for either

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Speaker 2: And he would do a little spell inside and then

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Speaker 4: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: But then in nineteen twenty eight things got a little sticky.

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Speaker 2: Let's take a break and when we come back, I've

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Speaker 2: got some complicating factors. Oo zaren So I was telling

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Speaker 2: He's credited as the guy who originally inspired the whole.

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Speaker 2: If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell

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Speaker 2: you mine. And there are all sorts of articles about

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Speaker 2: him and his exploits. He's mentioned in books. He has

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Speaker 3: Did he have the actual mustache? Described it?

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Speaker 2: He totally did. Yeah. And on that page there's a

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Speaker 2: one run of articles from nineteen twenty eight. Some had

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Speaker 3: Was he well worn? He written?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, But in those articles they list George C.

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Speaker 2: Parker as an alias of William mclowndey, and mclowndey's criminal

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Speaker 2: history and legal woes line up with those of Parker. WHOA,

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Speaker 2: so were they the same guy?

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Speaker 3: Parker go through a couple of rough years of hard drinking.

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Speaker 2: The photos, I mean it's not even close to the face.

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, not at all, not at all.

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Speaker 2: He has like a totally different face, different sized body, everything.

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Speaker 2: The photos argue against them being the same guy. But

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Speaker 2: set of nineteen twenty eight news articles. None of them

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so mclowndey articles, those are from July of nineteen

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Speaker 2: twenty eight. So mclowndey's listed as sixty eight years old

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Speaker 2: and Parker is listed for the most part as fifty

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Speaker 3: Let me read you.

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Speaker 2: A short article about George Parker from a December eighteenth,

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Speaker 2: nineteen twenty eight wire story. Man who sold Brooklyn Bridge

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Speaker 2: gets life term. His hands trembling beneath the frayed cuffs

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Speaker 2: of his wrinkled coat. George C. Parker fifty eight, one

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Speaker 2: time king of the confidence Men, was sentenced to life

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Speaker 2: dollars check. Parker, famous in the Naughty nineties as the

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Speaker 2: biggest of big time confidence men, is the city slicker

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Speaker 2: who first sold the Brooklyn Bridge to what was then

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Speaker 2: of New York, starting his first day in office. Altogether,

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Speaker 2: Parker was arrested twelve times and sentenced seven times. As

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Speaker 2: is usual, his first conviction started him on the downward

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Speaker 2: today under Baum's Law, which makes mandatory on a judge

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Speaker 2: the life sentencing of a fourth offender against criminal laws.

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Speaker 2: In his prime, Parker was known as the best dressed

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Speaker 2: grafter in New York. His clothes today were threadbare, and

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Speaker 2: he seemed broken after his long duel of wits with society.

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Speaker 3: So this is twenty eight. He got famous in the

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Speaker 3: yeah later, and he's still like the talk of the

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Speaker 2: He's the king of the con men.

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Speaker 3: But he's fallen off and say hard.

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Speaker 2: Times, and he's not all over the paper in those years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's crazy. So it's kind of like a throwback like, oh,

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Speaker 3: this guy got caught. Yeah, yeah, ask your parents about it.

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Speaker 2: Gets pinched for a check for one hundred and fifty.

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00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: Bucks and why locked up for life?

441
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 2: But then I'll get to that. But so then in

442
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Daily Times five months earlier, there was the

443
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 2: story about William mclowndy. He's listed as sixty eight years

444
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: old and living at three forty nine Third Avenue, Asbury Park,

445
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: New Jersey, and they mentioned him selling the Brooklyn Bridge

446
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: and other properties, and they say he spent twenty years

447
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 2: in prison. So he's pulled from New Jersey into New

448
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 2: York because a guy named Max Schmeier said mclowndey sold

449
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: him ten lots on Highland Boulevard and the problem was

450
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 2: that mclowney didn't own them. So in the article they

451
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: list off all of mclowndey's aliases, I owe you O'Brien.

452
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: Get out of town. I owe you a bra that's

453
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 3: a hell. The street name Captain George C.

454
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 2: Parker.

455
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's when he wheres his uniform.

456
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: Warden James Kennedy. Smart, But see that overlaps with Parker's

457
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 2: thing of that he dressed like the police chief to escape.

458
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: So apparently he'd been passing himself off as quote, captain

459
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 2: of a large ocean liner and also warden of the

460
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 2: city prison. When he sold the bogus lots to Schmeyer,

461
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: he was calling himself Albert Merch and said he was

462
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: a real estate man. So the article says mcclowndy first

463
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 2: sold the Brooklyn Bridge in nineteen oh one, and he

464
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: was arrested for that and did two years and six

465
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: months in sing Sing prison for it. Then in nineteen

466
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 2: eleven he sold interests in city Hall and that got

467
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: him another two years in sing Sing. Once out, he

468
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: gets busted for forgery, does another four years and five

469
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: months in sing Sing. According to the article quote. He

470
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: served ten days in the King's County Jail in nineteen

471
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: oh seven on a grand larceny conviction. Other terms included

472
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 2: nineteen fourteen impersonating a police officer, six months in city prison,

473
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: nineteen fifteen, one year in penitentiary for four day, nineteen

474
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: twenty three, six months city prison, attempted grand larceny, nineteen

475
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: twenty three grand larceny, Boston, Massachusetts. No disposition. So there's

476
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: an article in the Brooklyn Eagle the next day that

477
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 2: has even more detail, but a little different. There's no

478
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 2: mention of Schmeyer in it. They do talk about the

479
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 2: extradition from New Jersey, but it has a little.

480
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 4: More juice to it.

481
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: Zaren, close your eyes. Oh, I want you to picture it.

482
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 2: You are a New York City Police detective fellow by

483
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: the name of Benny Drisco. It's July sixth, nineteen twenty eight,

484
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: and you're working a string of cons that goes back decades.

485
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 2: You've been chasing this Purp all over. He tried to

486
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: sell the Brooklyn Bridge, if you can believe it, and

487
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: city Hall, and he's constantly passing bad checks and swindling

488
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: folks out of their hard earned cash. But this afternoon

489
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: this stops. You and your partner have driven over to

490
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: Asbury Park, New Jersey. It was a real drive your

491
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: future great grandkids will be able to zip through the

492
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 2: same trip driving a little over an hour on smooth

493
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: paved roads and sleek cars with power steering and anti

494
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: lock brakes and suspension systems and air conditioning and radios

495
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 2: and touchscreens and heated steering wheels. You though, are chugging

496
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: along down rutted roads and under construction highways in a

497
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: brand new Ford Model A. You are an impatient driver.

498
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: An old Gelopi pulls out in front of you around

499
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: perth Amboy and creeps along, slowing your progress. You hit

500
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: the switch for the growler siren and it slowly comes

501
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: to life to turn on the red lights. The truck

502
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: pulls over to the side a bit, and when the

503
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: driver sees the emblem of NYPD on the side of

504
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: your car, he shakes his fist at you out the

505
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: open window and yell something you can't make out. After

506
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 2: what feels like an eternity, you arrive in Asbury Park.

507
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: Your partner draws his finger along the map and his

508
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: lap and directs you to a house. It's a few

509
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: blocks from the beach. People still have American flag bunting

510
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 2: up on their porches from the fourth of July. It's

511
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: a hot day, but there's a lovely breeze coming off

512
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: the water. You pull up in front of a small

513
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: clapboard house and stop the car. Some kids come stare

514
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 2: in awe at the cop car from New York City.

515
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: You get out and you reach into the back seat

516
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: for your hat and your suit jacket. You fan yourself

517
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: with your hat before propping it on your head and

518
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: donning your light jacket, your shirt sticking to your back

519
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 2: with sweat. What are you doing here, mister? A brave

520
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: kid shouts at you from across the street. Your partner

521
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: tells him to beat it, and you both head for

522
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: the door of the house. You step onto the porch

523
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 2: and knock. No answer. You hear a cough coming from

524
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: behind the house, so you nod at your partner and

525
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: the two of you make your way to the backyard.

526
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 2: You peek over the fence and see a man. He's

527
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: a short, squat fellow with small eyes and tiny round glasses.

528
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: He wears a straw pork pie hat with a blue

529
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: and red stripe ribbon around the bottom of the crown.

530
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 2: He has a measuring tape in one hand and the

531
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: other hand on his hip. He looks up and spots

532
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 2: you and your partner. Can I help you Fellas he calls,

533
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 2: smile on his face William mcclowndey. You ask, uh, sure,

534
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: who's asking? He replies, Detective Benny Drisco. You announce come

535
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: out from back there. The man's face falls and he

536
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: begins a slow trudge toward you. He opens the gate

537
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 2: and looks up at you. You tell him he's under arrest.

538
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: Then you list off the litany of crimes that got

539
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: him there, and you hold out a judge's order directing

540
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: his extradition to New York. Just then, a man approaches.

541
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 3: Hey, what's the big idea?

542
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: He booms. You tell him to mind his own business,

543
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: and he tells you to get out of his yard.

544
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: Your yard.

545
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: You ask yeah, He tells you this is his house.

546
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: You stare at William mclowndey. He looks sheepish. Your partner

547
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 2: grabs a tape measure from his hand and slaps cuffs

548
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 2: on him. You start marching mclowndy toward the back seat

549
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: of your forge. You tell the homeowner that you'll be

550
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: out of his hair now, but he shouldn't be surprised

551
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 2: if someone else shows up. Saying they just bought this place.

552
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: If so, call the cops. You tell him. He looks confused.

553
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: With mclowndey in the back seat. You get the cargoing

554
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: and the engine wars to life. Shame you picked me

555
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: up when you did. Mclowndey tells you, why is that

556
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: size of that lot? I could have sold that place

557
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: for seventeen thousand dollars. You shake your head and pull

558
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: out into the road. The kids from across the street

559
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: chasing after you, the long drive ahead of you, and

560
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: a real wise acre in the seat behind you.

561
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 3: So are people just paying like full cash for these properties?

562
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, and he draws up a fake deed and

563
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: then so.

564
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 3: They're basically like doing like a loan in their immigrant community,

565
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: with somebody getting the money cash on the barrel, had.

566
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Even all at once. He's saying, you can do it

567
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: on a payment plan.

568
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 3: Sure, but that'd be sure he gets the chunk. Payment

569
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: plan is like in not forty years or thirty years. No, No,

570
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 3: it's it's like ten payments or something exactly. So if

571
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 3: he can get just a couple of them, seriously. Love Also,

572
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 3: by the way, that mclowndy was selling like it's like

573
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: pieces of city Hall because it's like, you know, the people,

574
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: the powers that be, that's their job. They sell the

575
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: city Hall. They're going to be real, Maddie.

576
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: We already own it.

577
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

578
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 2: So back to that article. The article said that he

579
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: sold the Brooklyn Bridge for fifty thousand dollars in eighteen

580
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: eighty five, so that's about like one point seven million.

581
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 3: Thank you for the conversion.

582
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: No problem for that sale, though he served two years

583
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 2: and six months in sing sing And the article says

584
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: that mclowndey was selling to visitors from quote the West,

585
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: not immigrants coming from Europe or the East.

586
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: So are we thinking the West means like Ohio? Or

587
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: do you think West means like Oregon, California?

588
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: I have no idea. They just keep calling it the West.

589
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: And here's the overlap. The article, this one that I

590
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 2: was talking about, unlike the other one, says that the

591
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: indictment against mclowndey was for a bad check for one

592
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars that he tried to pass to

593
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: missus Emma Ramsey of fifteen twenty six Kimball Street. That

594
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty dollars check, that's like Parker. They

595
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 2: also mentioned that quote. Six months ago, he gained the

596
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: confidence of Missus George B. Titus, widow of a police inspector,

597
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: and obtained from her a diamond ring valued at five thousand.

598
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: Dollars widow of a police inspector.

599
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: Right, he told Missus Titus he would take it to

600
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: Tiffany's to have it fixed. The police expect to locate

601
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: other victims of mclowndey's wily ways, many of whom have

602
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: kept quiet because of a distaste for publicity.

603
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: Oh, rub yeah, so that one.

604
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen in any of the Parker stuff. The

605
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: article continues quote mclowndey, whose favorite alias is Warren Kennedy,

606
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,959
Speaker 2: pretending to be the warden of a jail, talked freely

607
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 2: about his various arrests with the inspector and mentioned the

608
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 2: earlier ones quote. They were in the good old days

609
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: before the police became so systematic, he told the inspector

610
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: in court. Maclowndey said he did not have funds to

611
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: employ counsel, and David Melbourne was assigned to defend him.

612
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 2: He said he had four children but does not know

613
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: their whereabouts, but not they're going to try and keep

614
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: it that way. So some of the details are the same,

615
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 2: some are different, different names. The most striking thing for

616
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: me is that the photos are not the same guy.

617
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: And could not be. Like it's like, oh, this guy's

618
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: five seven, this guy's six to two. This guy's got

619
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: a square face, he's got a rectangular face.

620
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so is it the same guy? I do know

621
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: there were multiple people trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge

622
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 2: to dupes, and that's why we have that trope. Did

623
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: the press get confused by all the aliases? Was it

624
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: just one guy whose crimes and identities were hard to

625
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: keep straight? The articles on both men mentioned that Bomb's Law.

626
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: So that was a New York state law enacted in

627
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: nineteen twenty six that was designed to address rising crime

628
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: rates by targeting habitual criminals or what they were calling

629
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: four time losers. Yeah. So Senator Caleb H. Baums was

630
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: the one who put this together. He wanted to curb

631
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: crime by incapacitating repeat offenders. And this is like a

632
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 2: version of three strikes.

633
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

634
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: So the law.

635
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: Removed judicial discretion for fourth time felons, so automatic life sentence.

636
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: So mandatory sentence, saying judges like, look, my hands are

637
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: taped anything about like you should kind of deal. No,

638
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: there's no deal to do before this occurs.

639
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: Like on your second or third of when you hit four,

640
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: you got a life sentence. That's it. And the felonies

641
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: didn't have to be violent.

642
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: I didn't sound like it. Yeah, it seemed like if

643
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: you go before a judge four.

644
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: Times, convin felony. Yeah. And so in addition to the

645
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 2: fourth felony rule, it introduced longer sentences for first time offenders,

646
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: and it tightened up parole restrictions. So they amended it

647
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty six to allow for a little more flexibility.

648
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: But like we said, it went on to influence three

649
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: strikes like California we got in nineteen ninety four.

650
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 3: Now do you think that was because baseball by them

651
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: was so much more popular? I think three strikes four

652
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 3: four balls, take yours.

653
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 2: Ours wasn't revised until twenty twelve to require that the

654
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: third strike be serious or violent. So anyway, this newish

655
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: law is mentioned in the pieces about both Parker and mclowndey,

656
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 2: and then that would fit if they were two men

657
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: or one just one. Either way, a lot of felonies

658
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: were committed, so we attribute the fame of selling the

659
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Bridge to Charles Parker, who may or may not

660
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: have also been William mclowndy.

661
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 3: It seems like he started the game much earlier than mclowndey's. Yeah.

662
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: Rest, but there's a dark horse out there. We got

663
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: the third option, someone I stumbled upon in the old papers.

664
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: Another big shout out to newspapers who really should become

665
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: our sponsors. I found a compelling case to move this

666
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: guy up to the top of the Brooklyn Bridge salesman list.

667
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: Really more on him when we.

668
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 2: Come back from these ads. And if there's one that's

669
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: trying to sell you the Golden Gate Bridge, it's fake.

670
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: And if there's one selling off the Washington Monument, you

671
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: may want to do a little more research.

672
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 3: What if it's trying to sell me a ballroom in Washington, DC.

673
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: It's probably legit.

674
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: Be right back, all right, Zaren Elizabeth.

675
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: So, I promised you a new guy, but I do

676
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: want to finish up the story of the other two

677
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 2: before we move.

678
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, please tie off that strand yes. So.

679
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: On December seventeenth, nineteen twenty eight, George C. Parker was

680
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 2: sentenced to life in prison for all of his crimes

681
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 2: thanks to Bomb's Law. From the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle quote,

682
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: this amazing rascal, who already has served two terms in

683
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 2: sing sing and who has been convicted seven times for

684
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 2: confidence games, is said to have sold Madison Square Garden

685
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 2: to a trustful visitor from the Southwest earlier, but the

686
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: sale of the Brooklyn Bridge for one thousand down and

687
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 2: four thousand to be paid in quarterly installments was his

688
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: most noteworthy transaction. He goes to sing sing for the

689
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: rest of his life because he was convicted of forging

690
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: a check for one hundred and fifty dollars under Bomb's

691
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: Law as a fourth offender, life sentence was mandatory.

692
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 3: So it answers my question how you get life sentence

693
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 3: out one hundred and fifty dollars for checks? And that's

694
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: it then Balm's law.

695
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 2: After the articles about mcclowndery's arrest, he never appears in

696
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: the paper again, so not even about sentence anything like that. Really,

697
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: Parker did spend the rest of his life in sing sing.

698
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: He passed away in nineteen thirty seven at the age

699
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 2: of seventy seven, which would confirm that the news articles

700
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: claiming he was fifty eight at the time of his arrest,

701
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 2: had typos and he was really sixty eight. Ok So

702
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: this new guy when we look back. The first documented

703
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 2: newspaper story describing someone trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge

704
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 2: appeared in the New York Herald in May of nineteen hundred,

705
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: and of course the article made its way to the

706
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: National Wire Service because it was like an only in

707
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: New York type story. Ah, I gotcha, and within weeks

708
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: it gets in all these papers across the US. It's

709
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: in Hawaii papers, you know.

710
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 3: So this scheme Sandwich Island Times, ex So you said

711
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 3: it was completed in eighteen ninety three, so like in

712
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 3: seven years after it's completed, we had the first person going,

713
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 3: I'll sell you that.

714
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

715
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: Okay.

716
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: So the scheme to sell the bridge was described as

717
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: a new variety of Bunco fraud.

718
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: Yes, okay.

719
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: And we've talked about Bunco in depth, and that was

720
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 2: another thing about the story that drew interest. Everybody knew

721
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: about Bunco, but no one had seen something this audacious before.

722
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: So even the attorney who received the complaint indicated that

723
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 2: he had not encountered this type of scam before. He

724
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: did what now, And so this article that's talking about it,

725
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: it's you know that the victim goes to an attorney

726
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: to make the complaint and then it goes from there.

727
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: So here's how it starts off.

728
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 3: Quote.

729
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 2: The police are looking for an Italian bunco man who

730
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: has been swindling his fellow countrymen for the past month

731
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: in a novel manner. He was first heard of when

732
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: Signor Luigi Corelli, an Italian merchant who recently landed in

733
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: New York, went to the office of lawyer Robert Racy

734
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: in the Erin's Building at the corner of Elm and

735
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 2: Franklin Streets and told a remarkable story of how he

736
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: had been fleeced by this swindler. He told his story

737
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: through an interpreter, explaining that he'd been buncoed out of

738
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars. So now I need to add here

739
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: that this is primetime yellow journalism. Everything is sensationalist and insensitive.

740
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: So in convey in conveying what the translator says, the

741
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: newspaper makes sure to give the best stereotypical Italian accent

742
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: written oh yeah, oh yeah, so can I read to

743
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: you transcripts? How did the bunco man get it, asked

744
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: Lawyer Racy. He's sella the Brooklyn Bridge to my friend,

745
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: explained the interpreter. Sold the Brooklyn Bridge to your friend, sure,

746
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 2: answered the interpreter. Only not all the bridge, only New

747
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: York Aside. He'd tell him, my friend of Mayor van

748
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: Week own a durest. He'd tell him, I a friend,

749
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Bridge do much a business. He maya friend,

750
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: just so soon does ship come in? He find out

751
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: his name? Sure, pretty soon he say hello, Signor Correlli,

752
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: and he's shake the hand. My friend think he know

753
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: him in the old country. But forget the name all right.

754
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: He say he's sella my friend one piece New York

755
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 2: Aside for a week. And then he liked by all

756
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 2: Brooklyn side two for ten tous dollar. Very cheap for

757
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn side of the bridge, remarked lawyer Racy. I'd

758
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: give that much myself for it, my friend by a

759
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: Central Park bear two and two stores, continued the interpreter.

760
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: So the article goes on to talk about all the

761
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: others who got scammed by some Italian guy, and then

762
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: the lawyer tells Signor Correlli that he'll report the matter

763
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: to the police. Here we go back, you know, catching

764
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: him today, asked the interpreter, And when the lawyer said no,

765
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: the signor threw out his chest, tugged at the end

766
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: of his mustache and exclaimed, Lucina, no man, my friend

767
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: very bad, explained the interpreter. It's like Bora, I know,

768
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: he say when mister Bunco no bay at the bridge.

769
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: Back he kill a mister Bunco tomorrow, goodbye, and off

770
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: they went.

771
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: You don't fix it today, my friend here.

772
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: He's gonna kill mister Bunco.

773
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 3: Can you imagine coming over here with like your steak

774
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: to start a new life. Yeah, you meet a guy

775
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 3: who thinks from the old country. You're like, oh, this

776
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: will be my first business. And he's like, you're just

777
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 3: like buying a butcher shop. You're imagine it would be

778
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 3: great for.

779
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: Your family, and it's a money maker.

780
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: It's a bridge, it's you know. And he does it

781
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: and he's like, what I don't He loses his whole

782
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: nut and then he's like the only thing I got

783
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 3: left is a mike pissed though, but okay, thank you.

784
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: And so the fugitive Italian confidence man remained anonymous, but

785
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: not for long. Eventually his identity was discovered.

786
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 3: Edward Basso.

787
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so his name came out during a hearing in

788
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: federal court on a separate immigration fraud case. There were

789
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 2: witnesses there that were like, oh, yeah, I was conned

790
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: into buying the Brooklyn Bridge by that guy. Oh yeah,

791
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: I know him. There was a man named Frank Madaline.

792
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: He was the son of an Italian saloon keeper. He'd

793
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: been arrested for quote making a false statement in his

794
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: application for citizenship papers. So during his confession he said

795
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 2: that he had been hoodwinked by someone claiming to be

796
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: his cousin and who gave his name as James Madaline.

797
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 3: So this is Frank.

798
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: James is like, oh, I have the same last name.

799
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 2: We're and he said, you know what, I can help

800
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: make you a full fledged citizen. I can get you

801
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: in the door. And so a witness that the hearing

802
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: testified that this James had also sold the Brooklyn Bridge

803
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 2: to two other Italians. If they chip in.

804
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: Five dollars five dollars, I got.

805
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: Five on it. I've got yeah. So they did, and

806
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: the Italians went looking for this new property of theirs,

807
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: and they found the bridge, but they couldn't find the seller,

808
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: and so but they track him down. James Madelene gets

809
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 2: identified as Edward Basso. Several months later, a federal grand

810
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: jury formally charged him with impersonation connected to the acquisition

811
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 2: of naturalization documents. And so then he faces prosecution again

812
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: for providing counterfeit citizenship papers to this time a guy

813
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: Antonio Petrillo in exchange for twenty b oh. Yeah, and

814
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: that's like seven hundred dollars today. So Basso explained himself

815
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: to the court and was like, okay, no, no, there's

816
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 2: a huge misunderstanding.

817
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear this.

818
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 2: I am a United States Court interpreter and I'm working

819
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: with the Secret Service to uncover forged naturalization records. So

820
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:25,839
Speaker 2: I'm deep undercover right now, thanks guys. Yeah. Wow. And

821
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 2: so nineteen oh four he got arrested.

822
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 3: Did they let him out on deep cover?

823
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen oh four he gets arrested and then jailed

824
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: for all these fraud schemes tied to immigration. He had

825
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: arrangements with lawyers who would like solicit newly arrived immigrants

826
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 2: at Ellis Island. There was an operation where Italian travelers

827
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: were headed up to Canada and he sold them all

828
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: these worthless railroad ticket vouchers. Oh, and so this is

829
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: all the stuff that he did came to light because

830
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: people started complaining to the Society for the Protection of

831
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 2: Italian Immigrants.

832
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: Oh, it's like the Society of Italian Opera Lovers, but

833
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: the real version of Anciety for.

834
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: The Protection of Italian Immigrants.

835
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 3: They must have been getting worked over, baby. Yeah, you

836
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: can see why the mafia had to come about and like, look,

837
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: we'll take care of.

838
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: Every So during the prosecution, he agreed to cooperate with

839
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: authorities and testify against the attorneys who had paid him

840
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 2: for steering vulnerable immigrants to their offices, and so that

841
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 2: everyone's indicted, Bosso cooperates and he acknowledged that, like, yeah,

842
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 2: I totally did this. I would pick people off the boats,

843
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 2: send them to these lawyers, and then I got half

844
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: the fees. He said he referred more than fifty cases

845
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: and most of them didn't need any legal representation whatsoever. Yeah,

846
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: and he's like yeah, and then about the railroad tickets, Yeah,

847
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: I was in on that. I got a cut, I

848
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 2: got a third of it. And so you know, it's

849
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: not clear like he made that deal what kind of

850
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: deal that got him. That was in nineteen oh four,

851
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: nineteen oh five, he's back at it though. That year

852
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 2: he got sentenced to a year in jail for selling

853
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: Ellis Island visitor passes for ten dollars apiece. And the

854
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: problem is that Ellis Island visitor passes were free.

855
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: So wait, visitor passes is to like meet your immigrant family, Like.

856
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want to go see them, it's ten bucks.

857
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not like you've arrived in So he goes

858
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 3: and he gets a stack of free ones.

859
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me when I was a freshman

860
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 2: in high school, the seniors went around like the first

861
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: couple of weeks of school and said they were selling

862
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 2: discount pool passes for ten cents each for the march

863
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: of times and it would get you like a week's

864
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: pass at the pool. And when asked where the pool was,

865
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: they said it was on the roof. And that was

866
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: like and they would act like that's the stupidest question

867
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 2: they'd ever heard, like, where's the pool? It's the pools

868
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 2: on the roof, now, my mama and my grandmama and

869
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: raise no dummy. So I just like rolled my eyes

870
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 2: and walked away. There's no way there was a pool

871
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: on the roof, and like that's too dangerous.

872
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: The building's so old, like it's just not happening, not

873
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 3: working out.

874
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 2: But there were girls that fell for it, so much

875
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: so that the nuns had to make an announcement one

876
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: morning explaining that there was no pool on campus, not

877
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: on the roof, not in some basement under the auditorium

878
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: as others were told, and that we were not to

879
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: give anyone a dime or any other change for anything.

880
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: So basically I went to school with a bunch of

881
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: budding bossos just they just wanted change to buy chips

882
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 2: for the vending machine.

883
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 3: Oh dude. We did the same thing in high school,

884
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: which is you had students like at Jesuit, you'd have

885
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 3: to like do turns of like as you were a freshman,

886
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: because everyone knew you weren't driving, and so you would

887
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,840
Speaker 3: have to work the like for basketball games and different

888
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 3: nighttime events, basically directing people into because our school had

889
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 3: a big, long road going into where you would park,

890
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: so you'd stand at the far end and tell them

891
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: you're coming the right way, and then someone else would

892
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: guide you. So those of us who stood at the

893
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: gate would charge people money, like five dollars for parking

894
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: to come on and they're supposed to be free. So

895
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 3: we were thinking, these parents don't care. They're well off.

896
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 3: We would make like fifty bucks really quick.

897
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: I've told you I used to do that, like at bars,

898
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 2: like when there's no bouncer.

899
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, stand outside, and I.

900
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: Would stand outside and tell people is a five dollars cover?

901
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 3: Exactly?

902
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 2: Did you check?

903
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: Id's as long as you have change and you act

904
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,439
Speaker 3: like you're annoying, and we checked ideas.

905
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 2: And take money that way anyway, So Bosso we all

906
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: got at everybody a little boso in them. When the

907
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: Ellis Island Past thing came out, paper started connecting the

908
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: dots and like running stories that included information about his

909
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 2: previous scams about selling landmarks. Here's from the New York Times.

910
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 2: Edward Bosso, an Italian who once upon a time derived

911
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: a considerable income from the sale of shares of the

912
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Bridge, the custom House, and the city all to

913
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: confiding fellow countrymen just landed, was sentenced yesterday to a

914
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,439
Speaker 2: year in the penitentiary by Justice Wyatt in the Court

915
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: of Special Sessions. The charge against him was petty larceny

916
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 2: and was made by Antonio Mancuso, a Brooklyn shoemaker, who

917
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 2: said that Basso sold him a pass to Ellis Island

918
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: for ten dollars. Passes to Ellis Island are free upon

919
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: application to the steamship companies owing to the efforts of

920
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: the Society for the Protection of Italian Immigrants. Basso was

921
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: arrested last April on the charge of grand larceny. He

922
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: pleaded guilty before Judge Newberger in General Sessions, and on

923
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 2: an apparent earnest promise to reform, sentence was suspended. His

924
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: lawyer yesterday made a plea for him on the ground

925
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 2: that he had a wife and eight children to support.

926
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: Quote that's a poor reason for defrauding the wives and

927
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 2: children of hundreds of families, remarked Justice Wyatt, as he

928
00:49:54,520 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: imposed the limit allowed by the law exactly so much

929
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: like William mcclowndy, Edward Bosso faded from the public eye

930
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: after repeated incarceration. But there is a very good chance

931
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: that it was he and not George C. Parker, who

932
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 2: introduced the idea of selling the Brooklyn Bridge to the gullible.

933
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 3: So the Italians started it. The Irish picked it up

934
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 3: and ran with it. Right. This is very New York story,

935
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: isn't it.

936
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: It's so so Will Rogers deserves the last. Yes, he

937
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: is quoted as saying, they may call me a rube

938
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: and a hicic, but I'd a lot rather be the

939
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,839
Speaker 2: man who bought the Brooklyn Bridge than the man who

940
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: sold it.

941
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 3: Oh look at him there it is. That's a nice

942
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: little moral twist.

943
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 2: Right, So Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

944
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: Wow? So what was the bridge that eventually got put

945
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 3: in Arizona? Is that the London Bridge?

946
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: No, that's the Brooklyn Bridge. The actually like had people

947
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 2: sold versions of it and it got moved. Really, No

948
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:04,319
Speaker 2: London bridges in Arizona, Right, it's like Tennessee or something.

949
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:05,799
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's the other one.

950
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, London Bridge is the one that was another.

951
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: One that they were selling all the time. Right, So

952
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: what is it about bridges? I guess in the old

953
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 3: world you could put up a toll booth and so

954
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 3: really this is like a concession for how do I

955
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: make money off of other suckers? Right? So it's a

956
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 3: classic conya when.

957
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 2: You think about it. There is an Italian company that,

958
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: particularly in.

959
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,959
Speaker 3: The American Cus totally.

960
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: Goes through and builds toll roads that are.

961
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 3: Really nice attractive roads.

962
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they they for the cost of building it,

963
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 2: then they collect the tolls and.

964
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 3: So in perpetuity practically, so they're making a grip yep exactly.

965
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 3: So this is really a modern tales. What you're telling

966
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 3: it very much is piculous takeaway.

967
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: I you know, I think about we look at it

968
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 2: as this like symbol of gullibility of like you would

969
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 2: buy the Brooklyn Bridge. But I just keep you know,

970
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, these are people who have every last

971
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 2: penny to their name and their family's name, and you

972
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 2: know they're leaving. No one wants to leave their homeland,

973
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: you know, where they feel connected to and so but

974
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 2: you have to to survive or for a better life

975
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: or I mean like literally for you to run for

976
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 2: your life and oftentimes and so you come here with

977
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: this promise.

978
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 3: You know.

979
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: It's like I've talked before about how they would market

980
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: California to people if like you can walk down the

981
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 2: street and pick an orange off the tree and it's

982
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: always always sunny and you know all these things oeeople, Yeah,

983
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: or that you walk in the mountains and you scoop

984
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: the gold out of the river. And so you know,

985
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 2: there's the there are these myths that arise, and you

986
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: know there's always like some hint of truth to it.

987
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: They did find gold oranges. You can grow oranges in

988
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 2: southern California with relative ease. But if you think that,

989
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 2: like what that must be like to take that gamble,

990
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: to say I'm going to risk it and take everything

991
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: I have and go start over takes so much hope

992
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: and like the exploitation of that hope is so sickening

993
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: to me.

994
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 3: And it's so easy. It's it's so easy. You can

995
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: see it in their eyes on.

996
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: This well, and you hear all sorts of success stories,

997
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: and it could be something like, yeah, my cousin came

998
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: over and he bought a butcher shop and.

999
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: Then yeah, hit seventeen dollars.

1000
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: You think, yeah, okay, well I've got this money and

1001
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it's fine. You got five dollars on the

1002
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: Brooklyn Bridge. You know, they're like, okay, I'll scrape this

1003
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: together and then I can be in on this, and

1004
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm you know, you look around too.

1005
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 3: At that time, it was just filled with these stories.

1006
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 2: But it's also filled with incredible wealth.

1007
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1008
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: You know, you see the absolute sickening wealth all around you,

1009
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 2: and you think, like I want a piece of that.

1010
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 3: And there's also the rags to riches aspect, which is

1011
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 3: what's to stop you could become super well, Yeah, exactly.

1012
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 3: Is it's not like in the old country where only

1013
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 3: certain people had the chance to get wealthy.

1014
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 2: So it's this clash. This fascinates me because it's a

1015
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 2: clash of like the best of humanity and the worst

1016
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: of humanity. Because it's not even that they're.

1017
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: Not violent, it's just so low and petty. Yeah, it is.

1018
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 3: It's as low as like the cut purse, but it's

1019
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: preying upon a person's optimism, the hope, the best parts

1020
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:11,800
Speaker 3: of themselves.

1021
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also I just feel too, like, you know,

1022
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: it's hard enough to be an immigrant who doesn't speak

1023
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: a language and go somewhere and to have a fellow

1024
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: immigrant turn on you like that, Like that's that's slow

1025
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: as well.

1026
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 3: To get bill a butchered exactly exactly. So you told

1027
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: me your takeaway, Yeah, you did kind of. I danced

1028
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 3: around one. I think my takeaway is, to quote your nephew,

1029
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: sometimes you have to risk it for the biscuit and

1030
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 3: I respect people who do.

1031
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 2: You do something. Oh.

1032
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 3: On that note, I would like to talk back. Oh

1033
00:54:53,320 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 3: my god, I w hey's Aaron Elizabeth. My name is Chris.

1034
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 3: I'm from Bristol, Virginia. I just want to let you

1035
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 3: know that I was high for thirty one years.

1036
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: I've been sober for two and whenever I'm feeling down,

1037
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 2: whenever i'm jones into go get higher, having cravings, I

1038
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: will go to your show and it helps get me

1039
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: through each time.

1040
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: Thank you for being there, brother.

1041
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 2: We are so glad to do Chris two years congratulations,

1042
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: that's awesome.

1043
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: I respect you for that. That is awesome. As somebody

1044
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 3: who spent a lot of their life high, I totally relate,

1045
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 3: so I can say one hundred percent. I respect your

1046
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 3: ability to find a positive like a deviation from your

1047
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: typical to say, your old path of like, oh, I'll

1048
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: just do this to you know, and we're glad that

1049
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 3: we get to be that for you.

1050
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 2: Yes, as someone who's sober and the world tells you

1051
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: like you don't want to block it all out? Yeah, no,

1052
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,359
Speaker 2: you know you hold fast, You hold fast. I I'm

1053
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 2: so proud of you.

1054
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: You know.

1055
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 2: Luckily we're on call twenty four to seven if you

1056
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 2: need to listen to maybe if you want to like

1057
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: really laugh, you could listen to one of the stories

1058
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 2: I tell anyway. That's awesome, Chris, thank you for sharing

1059
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: that too.

1060
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: I like that.

1061
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 2: You know, we've said it before, like we got to

1062
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: stick together and all this, all of us, we do

1063
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 2: this for y'all.

1064
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 3: I mean, like, we're not telling each other stories, but

1065
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 3: we really what motivates us is to tell you stories

1066
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: to y'all and to know that from what we hear

1067
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: back that it means so much and it helps you

1068
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: because we would like to be helped that same way.

1069
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 3: So it's like a big circle. We're all helping each

1070
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 3: other get by.

1071
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 2: Here we are and rude Dudes, we all have each

1072
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: other's backs.

1073
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 3: When we have rough weeks. Doing that you guys are

1074
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:45,919
Speaker 3: out there, helps us.

1075
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 2: Have no idea honestly, seriously, that is it for today.

1076
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: You can find us online at Ridiculous Crime dot com.

1077
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 2: We're also at Ridiculous Crime on Blue Sky Instagram. We're

1078
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: on YouTube at Ridiculous Crime Pod. Email Ridiculous Crime at

1079
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: gmail dot com and then leave us a talkback. Rude

1080
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 2: Dudes on the iheartapp reach Out. Ridiculous Crime is hosted

1081
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett, produced and edited by Dave.

1082
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: I'm not a notary, but I play one. On TV

1083
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: Coustin starring Analice Rutger as Judith. Research is by Marissa

1084
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: There's a show about a Notary Brown and Jabbari. I

1085
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: think it's on Wednesdays on CBS. It's called NOTARYE.

1086
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 4: Davis.

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