WEBVTT - Max Homa 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:03.440 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host, 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:06.240 Claude Harmon. I guess this week is one of the 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:09.600 bright stars on the PGA Tour, Max Homa. He's a 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.720 big fan favorite. I thought he had a really good year, 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.440 got himself into contention at the Masters, but some significant 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:20.760 changes made the decision to leave his swing instructor, Mark Blackburn, 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:22.479 who I think is one of the best instructors in 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.200 the game, changed all of his equipment, leaving Titleist and 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.640 moving over to Cobra. So I got to sit down 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:29.800 with Max, and it's a really good talk and I 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.080 think everybody's going to enjoy listening to kind of the 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.159 decision making process. Listen, anytime players make changes, you know, 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.680 changing coaches, changing equipment, you know, there's loads of data 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.440 points that say that is successful for some players and 0:00:42.479 --> 0:00:44.920 not for others. But I think it's a really good interview. 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:46.800 And like I said, I'm a big Maxhoma fan. He's 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:48.120 been on the pod before. I had him on a 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.360 couple of years ago, but I got to spend some 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:52.400 time with him when he was at my place, the 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.480 Floridian during the Cobra Puma photo shoot. So I think 0:00:56.480 --> 0:00:57.520 this is a good one. I think you guys are 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:00.840 gonna like it. It's Max Homa on the Sun of 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.160 Butch Podcast Max twenty twenty four season, twenty two events, 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.800 eighteen cuts, three top tens, almost four million had a 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:12.240 chance at Augusta. What great are we giving twenty twenty 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:12.720 four for you? 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.479 Yeah, I mean like a high d low CI I 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:19.680 i'd grade at lower, but the Masters was I got 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:21.200 a bit of a monkey off my back. You know, 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:23.800 I had never really played worth a darn and in 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.280 a major. I had one top ten prior to that, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.080 but was never in contention. I think I lost by 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.039 twenty seven of Brian Harmon. So to be in the 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:32.840 mix that, I guess I gotta give it some kind 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:34.600 of grade. I learned a lot this year, but yeah, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.160 I didn't have a lot of highlights. But you know 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.119 they always say you get to learn a lot when 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:40.399 you don't play well. I had a lot of weeks 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:41.240 or I learned a lot. 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.000 I think you're one of the players that you know obviously, 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.080 you know, huge fan favorite. Everybody wants to see you 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.200 do well. It was really cool this year at Augusta 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.160 to see you kind of finally get in the mix, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.520 like really get in the mix. Like there's getting in 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.400 the mix, but then there's like, okay, we're talking like five, 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.480 six and seven on the back nine, I mean on 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.160 the front nine on Sunday at a Gusta where like, okay, 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:05.920 nobody knows it and everybody has been waiting for you 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.400 to get in the mix in a major to have 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:14.440 a legit chance. What was that experience like and was 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.000 it different than what you thought? And is it something 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:20.519 that maybe now that you've been there, you could maybe 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:23.680 access more often because you've been in that situation. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:25.880 Yeah, I think so. I think golf is I think 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.800 life in general, but golf for me is so unique 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.400 because you can do things. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.280 At a high level. But I always say, you. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.200 Know, there's plenty of guys on tour revet one yet 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.680 and the common thing to say is, oh, he's gonna 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:41.200 win one. But for that person, you don't know what's 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.040 inside you until you do win one, Like you have 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.200 to get over that hump. And so I wasn't sure. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.280 Even though I have won golf tournaments and play well 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.000 in the team events, you know, high pressure situations, I 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.120 didn't know what being around the lead in a major 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:53.680 would feel like. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.120 On a Saturday or a Sunday. 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.360 And so I guess what I took from the Masters 0:02:58.400 --> 0:02:59.959 this year was I know I can win one. I 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:02.120 know what I have, what's inside me to win when 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:03.680 I still need to go prove I have the game 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.480 to do it. But it was cool, you know, in 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.960 that you know the pressure I played with Tiger Thursday Friday, 0:03:08.960 --> 0:03:11.520 that was a lot. I was final group on Saturday, 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:13.800 and then you know, while my ball was in the 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.840 air on off the twelve t, while I was flying 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.440 towards the green, that was you know, I had done 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.600 everything I needed to do. I love the shot, and 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.320 while it's in the air, I thought to myself, you know, 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.240 in a way romanticizing this a bit, but I was like, man, 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.600 I'm gonna have six holes around the lead here to 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:31.240 finish off Augusta and I got a very bad bounce 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.880 and jumped in the ivy and made double and kind 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.160 of killed my chances. Looking the way Scotty finished around, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:37.640 I'm not so sure I was gonna catch him. But 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.080 I just was very proud that I learned that the 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.200 same stuff I feel like I've shown in regular tour 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:45.200 events and the team events of just being able to 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.480 you know, I guess have the moxie and the sack 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:50.360 to do it. For lack of a better term. I 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:54.160 had that again at the Masters, and I just wasn't 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:57.000 prepared for all, like the media attention and the phone 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.520 blowing up and just really having that. Was fortunately changed 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:02.960 my phone like a month before because even with people 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:04.320 not having it, I got a lot of tech. So 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.120 that stuff is what I learned about it. So I 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:08.720 think taking that going forward can be quite helpful. But 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:10.640 I also, yeah, I look back on that and I 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.440 wasted a lot of shots here and there and still 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.640 had a chance on Sunday. So I think, like anything 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.240 you riise, you don't need to be perfect to you know, 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:19.600 kind of accomplish something great in this game. 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.400 How much of getting in the hunt and having a 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.520 chance to win a major was different than you thought? 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:27.479 Because I think a lot of people think, Okay, my 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.279 technique has to be good to get there. But I 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.000 think what you're saying is maybe it wasn't so much 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.760 about the technique, it's just when you get into those situations. 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:37.719 I always say to players here, trying to win a 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:41.880 major championship is like trying to climb Mount Everest and Sunday. 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:44.159 If you're in one of the last couple of groups, 0:04:44.200 --> 0:04:46.839 it's the death zone on Everest, right, everybody's I'll be 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.600 fine up there, I'll make good decisions. But when you 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:52.680 get up there, things kind of change and stuff like that. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:56.159 Did you notice a different feeling that you hadn't felt before, 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:59.880 because obviously you've won tournaments before, You've won tournaments on 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.200 big time golf courses too. That's one of the things 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.240 I love about your game, Quail Hollow. Major championships are 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.120 played there. You can't fake it around there. Riv obviously 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.280 you being from California, you can't fake it around those 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.359 are but back nine in the mix on Sunday in 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:16.920 a major championship, but also the one that everybody wants 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:18.360 to win. Augusta, Was it. 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:20.479 Different than you thought it would be? And was it 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:21.880 harder or. 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:23.479 Easier than you thought it was going to be? 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.400 Yeah, I would say, I mean, it's a great question. 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:28.360 I would say, like the the harder than I thought 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.039 it would be is the mornings again with just the 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.800 attention and you know, we get a off at three o'clock. 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:35.839 I mean, it was those are the longest. That was 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:38.279 the grind Saturday and Sunday. It was a lot of 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:42.400 time kind of spent, you know, trying to distract myself. 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:44.080 But also, you know, I journal a lot, and I'm 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:45.839 writing a lot of notes in there just about like 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:47.880 what I want to accomplish and what I'm proud of 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.920 and things of that nature. But like I've always said 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:52.880 about myself and I think a lot of guys, is 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:54.440 when I get to the golf course and I get 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:56.400 my hands finally on a golf club, I just feel 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.719 like at home again. So I think that part was 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:03.640 easier than I thought. It's nerve wracking, it scary, but 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:05.720 I mean, I'll say, like the first tea at the 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.200 Ryder Cups, the last scarier than pretty much anything else. 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.560 So those types of things, like they still feel like 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.240 home and they're fun. The mornings are not fun. They're 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:16.160 not enjoyable. You want it to get to be twelve 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:17.800 o'clock as fast you can. I was going to the 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.240 course early to go work out, to just shake off 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.719 some butterflies and get back. But as far as the 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.360 decision making, when I was pretty proud. It was actually 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.279 Saturday's round, it was still very, very windy, and the 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.360 greens had gotten like absurdly fast. They were the fastest 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.320 screens I've ever put on, and you know, we were 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:35.160 supposed to get an easier day Saturday, so I think 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.360 everyone's mindset was, Hey, we're going to get off and 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:41.120 start making some birdies. And we had a pretty conservative 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.320 outlook on how we're a strategy, on how we're going 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.479 to play the place. I rely a lot on my 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.520 caddy Joe to do that. And you know, I was 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.200 really proud because Saturday, I hit the ball really well, 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.040 couldn't get a putt to go, and I made seventeen 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:57.760 pars in a bow, yet didn't make a birdie, and 0:06:57.839 --> 0:06:59.720 I don't think I had I think I was only 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.640 two back going into Sunday. I was proud of the 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.360 thirteenth hole, had an OKT shot and had a very 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.000 difficult shot in. And I'm always the one who wants 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.480 to go for something and Joe is always the one 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.120 telling me, you know, you don't have that one. And 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:15.760 he asked me on thirteen, He goes, is it time 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:17.840 to go? And I just remember being very calm and 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:19.840 I says, no, It's like not the time, Like we're 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.560 not we're not playing ourselves out of a golf tourment 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:24.320 by taking on a shot that I mean, they're hitting 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:26.320 a seven wood or a three wood off a hanging 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.400 lie to a green that's going to be a brick anyway. 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:29.720 So I just was proud of that. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:31.800 There are some things maybe on Sunday wish maybe would 0:07:31.800 --> 0:07:34.680 have played a little more aggressive, but again I don't 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:36.520 have a lot to look back on and think, man, 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:38.840 we made poor decisions. So I was very proud of 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.160 how we kind of just played like we do. And 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.640 I think that's why I have been successful on Sundays 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:46.160 in tour events, because I feel like I do a 0:07:46.240 --> 0:07:48.240 very good job of just being myself and playing how 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:50.280 I would and letting, as you said, the death zone, 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.080 letting everybody else, you know, miss a step. I just 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.280 keep kind of plugging along. But then you do have 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:57.560 to have a great game, and I mean you look 0:07:57.600 --> 0:07:59.560 at someone like Scotty, I mean end up beating us 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.840 by a hundred. So to think I could have sat 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:05.840 there and made up that many strokes, even taken a 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:07.760 bad bounce out, I mean it would have been quite 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.240 the task. So I do think, like I said, what 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.360 I learned is I have like what's inside me to 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.040 do it. You do need to prove it with the 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.640 actual golf clubs too, so that's a whole other thing. 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.600 But I was cool, happy with the. 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.920 Experience, and I do think I have a lot to 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:23.240 take towards, like the next time I'm in that kind 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:23.720 of position. 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:27.040 When you came out of cal and turn pro in fourteen, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.960 did you know that decisions that you were going to 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.720 make like that on the back nine on Sunday even 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:37.720 existed right now? Like you're in that situation at Augusta 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.600 Nashville thirteen and is it time to go? 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:42.120 Would you have made that. 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:45.800 Decision coming out of college or have you learned now 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:47.040 having been. 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.319 On tour and been in. 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:51.400 These situations and gotten yourself in the hunt having won, 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.559 you know, six times? Is that different than the way 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:56.240 you would have thought coming out of college. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:56.839 Absolutely. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.080 I remember I got great advice from a great friend 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.679 of mine right before I on my first event at 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.400 Couil Hollow, and I basically was like Saturday night and 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:07.160 I was kind of freaking out. I texted somebody, I 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:09.199 was like, hey, what do you do? Like what is 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.000 it about? And he just gave me great device and 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.560 it kind of boils down to just be yourself and 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.599 trust that you know you're gonna get yourself across the 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:20.120 finish line. And that's taken me a long way. And 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.959 so no, in twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, I don't I 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:24.440 think I would have been trying to win a golf 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:29.280 tournament too much and instead of just trusting our strategy, 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:31.719 trusting Joe, trusting that I will hit a great golf 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:33.720 shot or make a great putt at some point and 0:09:33.720 --> 0:09:35.600 that's going to be what does it instead of trying 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.959 to be you know, I play with Bryson on Saturday, 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.400 and Bryson obviously hits it nine miles and very high, 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.600 and he can do things I can't do. And I 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.400 do think a younger me would have been trying to 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.920 keep up with what he is doing instead of looking 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.200 at myself and saying, well, what am I very good 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:52.080 at that? That's why I struggle with coming out. So 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.720 you know, you learn a lot in this game, and 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.040 I've been doing it a while now, so it would 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.280 be a completely different situation that I had. I've been 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.240 in that position as like a twenty two year old, 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:03.960 you know, dumb ass kid pretty much. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:05.679 What were you like as a junior golfer, because I 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.600 always think it's interesting to look at where players are 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:11.400 now and everybody thinks, okay, yeah, you've just had this 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:13.760 arc in this trajectory. Yeah, but when you were a 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:16.520 junior golfer, when you were thirteen, fourteen years old, when 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:18.480 you look back at what your game was like then, 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.920 what were you really good at back in the day, 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.439 when you were really young playing junior golf and high 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:25.640 school golf, What were you not good at? 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:26.439 Yeah? 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:26.880 I was. 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.400 I was always a good iron player. I was very 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:31.240 small as a kid. 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.640 So when we would play these you know, elite ish 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.320 type southern California golf tournaments, there would be players like 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:39.280 she Won Kim. He was a big old boy and 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.280 he had it nine miles and I hit it absolutely 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:43.040 nowhere and I was hitting four and alls. He's in 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.600 pitching wedgeonto what ended up happening as I got very 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.760 comfortable with a four iron. So back in junior golf, 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:50.520 going in, you know, in through high school, I was 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:53.360 always a good iron player. I drove the ball good enough. 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.200 I was never a great putter, but my short game 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:58.840 I could I could kind of make up for some 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.800 things with it. I was a grinder, but yeah, play 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.040 other sports. Yeah, I played everything up until I was 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:05.640 about I remember the day we were just talking about 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.360 this yesterday. Actually, I remember the day I went played 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:10.680 like a tournament champions for the Tour to Tour Cup 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.760 SCPGA Tour, the Southern California Junior Golf Tour, and it 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.240 was my first time getting into it. And I think 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.640 I was eleven ten or eleven and play at these 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.320 two kids, who was it, Philip Chin and somebody else, 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.200 and I remember they beat me by like fourteen and 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:25.320 it was a hard golf course. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.360 I shot like eighty four and I was like. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.080 How often do you guys practice, because at the time 0:11:29.120 --> 0:11:31.680 I'm playing flag football and playing baseball and playing basketball 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.960 and now golf on like maybe a Saturday, that was 0:11:34.000 --> 0:11:35.959 about it. And they're like, oh, we practice every day. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:37.600 And I remember I went into the car my mom 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:39.360 drove me home, and I said, I need you to 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:40.960 do me a favor and just drive me the golf 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:42.720 course every day. And that was kind of the day. 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:44.840 I remember treating this like a job, like it was 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.040 seven days a week. As often as my mom could 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:48.600 drop me off and pick me up. I was going 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:50.520 to the golf course and stopped playing all the other 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.400 sports and focused on one thing because I knew this 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:54.960 is what I love the most, and it was also 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:56.720 the best chance. I wasn't really going to make the 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.920 league in basketball or football, so I was, I guess, uh, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.680 realistic enough to know that. So yeah, really turned it 0:12:03.720 --> 0:12:06.240 into like my passion and my job, and and uh, 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:08.240 obviously it's been it's been cool to get to continue 0:12:08.280 --> 0:12:09.120 to do that for the last you. 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:11.560 Know, you played college, you played college golf at Cal. 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:15.720 That's a great school. You're playing, you know, Division one 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:20.400 college golf. The level from junior golf. I think everybody that, 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.440 all the juniors that I work with, they're trying to 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:25.160 make that jump from being a high school golfer. 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.199 To a junior golfer. 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:29.880 What were you better at when you graduated from Cal 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.160 than you were when you started? 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.640 Yeah, so that's a good one course management for sure. 0:12:35.800 --> 0:12:38.000 My roommate in college, Eric Mina, he was a couple 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.079 years older than me. He had won pack tens. I 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.000 like to joke I won Pac twelves, but he won 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.240 pack tens. Uh. He had really taught me how to 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.600 be like a pro and and think my way around 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.120 a golf course and not have it, but turned it 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:52.840 into something. He was the best at that, and he 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:54.280 taught me a lot of that, and I didn't have 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:55.480 that when I was a kid. It was like, if 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:57.280 my swing didn't feel good, I was going to play bad. 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:58.640 If I got a bad break, I was going to 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.680 play bad and get into court. Horse management really improved there. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:03.720 A short game for sure. We had a great short 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.600 game facility at CAL and all the guys that's just 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:08.520 what we would do all day. The range blew like 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:10.240 thirty miles an hour every single day off the right, 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.040 so people didn't hit a lot of golf balls. So 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:14.880 I think I left there with a better short game again, 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:16.800 in a bit more grit and grind, but just the 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.320 course management for sure, and growing up. I think for 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.120 kids that are making the lead from high school to college, 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.880 I think the hardest part your freshman year is time management. 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.400 I mean, you're going to school, you got two full 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:28.640 time jobs. You need to do well in school and 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:30.680 you need to do well in golf, so it's just hard. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.200 You get kicked in the butt a lot by the 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.080 lack of time. You do have to get great at golf, 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:38.640 so I think you learn a lot about that too. 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:39.800 You grow up very quickly. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.679 You're caddy Jo Grinder. I think you guys are one 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.679 of the best teams out there. The role that he 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:49.600 plays both on and off the golf course. Talk about 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.480 the role that he plays on the golf course, and 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.880 then talk about the role he plays off the golf course. 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:55.839 Yeah. I mean this with no disrespect to any of 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.200 their caddies. I'm friends with a lot of you guys. 0:13:57.200 --> 0:13:59.320 With Joseph, best caddy on the planet. He works his 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.920 tail off. Uh. He is a phenomenal golf for himself. 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.480 He has amazing feel. He's left handed, and I don't 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.120 think people realise, like, yeah he did. He played professional golf. 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.080 He played college golf at our junior college, then turn 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.480 pro at College of the Kannada and turn pro, played 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.679 on Canadian Tour for a little bit, then played the 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.480 Carolinas Tour now and then ended up, you know, not 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.080 playing anymore caddie for me, but being a lefty great golfer. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:22.640 I don't think people realize how hard it is for 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:25.480 him to see what I do. Like a righty draw 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.480 on a on a for a left either terminology. 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.120 I mean, I play golf I can play golf both 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:33.000 left and right handed, but sometimes because I teach so 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:37.000 much right handed, someone comes in that's left handed, even 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:40.560 though I play left handed. The terminology, yeah, I just say, 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:41.800 you know, you know, just move it a little bit 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:43.560 right to left. I'm like, no, no, sorry, just move 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:44.480 a little bit more left. 0:14:44.560 --> 0:14:47.720 Yeah, exactly, shapes are different. I never thought about that, Yeah, 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.880 he had. So he's a cutter of the ball like myself. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.360 So when we have it in off the right wing, 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.000 that's a cutter's dream. I can fade it up against it. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:56.400 It's the easiest shot. And but for him, he must 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.840 stand on that sea and feel uncomfortable, just innately. But him, 0:15:00.120 --> 0:15:01.880 you know, he just says such a great job, like, oh, 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:03.760 this tea SHOT's perfect. If sometimes I'd be like, let's 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:05.480 lay up, He'll be like, no, this is a perfect 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:07.840 left right te vault or you know, cut up against 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:08.600 the win t ball for you. 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.120 So for him to have that on the golf course, 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:11.760 it's amazing. 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:14.200 His strategy, his way of keeping me calm as best 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.000 he can is amazing. But off the golf course, I 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:19.040 mean it's a lot deeper than the work thing. I've 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:21.040 known Joe since I was six years old. He's one 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.120 of my closest friends. I mean, we just had my 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:26.200 son's second birthday party and it was all family and 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.200 then Joe and his wife Mila, so like they are 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.560 part of my family. And I've always told him, you know, 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.760 this is this is friends first. You ever don't want 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.320 to do this, It's okay. If you ever think I'm 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.160 being a baby, you tell me. And he's done a 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:38.800 lot of work. You know, we didn't have a great year, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.000 and it was it was fairly hard on me, but 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.640 it makes it a lot easier doing it with him 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.520 and him, you know, just saying kind things and hanging 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:48.680 out even sometimes. 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.800 Off the golf course, so it goes a really long way. 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.080 I tell him all the time, I appreciate it if 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.440 I am of him, but I hope, I hope he 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:56.240 truly does know. 0:15:56.200 --> 0:16:00.880 That Dolin your game with Cobra's fastest and most fittable 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:06.240 family of drivers using the new future Fit thirty three technology. 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.320 You know, we say all the time that you know, 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.720 you see players that get in the hunt. 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