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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Claude Harmon. I guess this week is one of the

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Speaker 1: bright stars on the PGA Tour, Max Homa. He's a

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Speaker 1: big fan favorite. I thought he had a really good year,

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Speaker 1: got himself into contention at the Masters, but some significant

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Speaker 1: changes made the decision to leave his swing instructor, Mark Blackburn,

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Speaker 1: who I think is one of the best instructors in

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Speaker 1: the game, changed all of his equipment, leaving Titleist and

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Speaker 1: moving over to Cobra. So I got to sit down

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Speaker 1: with Max, and it's a really good talk and I

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Speaker 1: think everybody's going to enjoy listening to kind of the

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Speaker 1: decision making process. Listen, anytime players make changes, you know,

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Speaker 1: changing coaches, changing equipment, you know, there's loads of data

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Speaker 1: points that say that is successful for some players and

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Speaker 1: not for others. But I think it's a really good interview.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm a big Maxhoma fan. He's

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Speaker 1: been on the pod before. I had him on a

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Speaker 1: couple of years ago, but I got to spend some

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Speaker 1: time with him when he was at my place, the

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Speaker 1: Floridian during the Cobra Puma photo shoot. So I think

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Speaker 1: this is a good one. I think you guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna like it. It's Max Homa on the Sun of

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Speaker 1: Butch Podcast Max twenty twenty four season, twenty two events,

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Speaker 1: eighteen cuts, three top tens, almost four million had a

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Speaker 1: chance at Augusta. What great are we giving twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four for you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like a high d low CI I

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Speaker 2: i'd grade at lower, but the Masters was I got

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Speaker 2: a bit of a monkey off my back. You know,

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Speaker 2: I had never really played worth a darn and in

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Speaker 2: a major. I had one top ten prior to that,

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Speaker 2: but was never in contention. I think I lost by

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Speaker 2: twenty seven of Brian Harmon. So to be in the

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Speaker 2: mix that, I guess I gotta give it some kind

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Speaker 2: of grade. I learned a lot this year, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: I didn't have a lot of highlights. But you know

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Speaker 2: they always say you get to learn a lot when

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Speaker 2: you don't play well. I had a lot of weeks

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Speaker 2: or I learned a lot.

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Speaker 1: I think you're one of the players that you know obviously,

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Speaker 1: you know, huge fan favorite. Everybody wants to see you

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Speaker 1: do well. It was really cool this year at Augusta

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Speaker 1: to see you kind of finally get in the mix,

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Speaker 1: like really get in the mix. Like there's getting in

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Speaker 1: the mix, but then there's like, okay, we're talking like five,

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Speaker 1: six and seven on the back nine, I mean on

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Speaker 1: the front nine on Sunday at a Gusta where like, okay,

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Speaker 1: nobody knows it and everybody has been waiting for you

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Speaker 1: to get in the mix in a major to have

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Speaker 1: a legit chance. What was that experience like and was

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Speaker 1: it different than what you thought? And is it something

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Speaker 1: that maybe now that you've been there, you could maybe

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Speaker 1: access more often because you've been in that situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think golf is I think

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Speaker 2: life in general, but golf for me is so unique

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Speaker 2: because you can do things.

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Speaker 3: At a high level. But I always say, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, there's plenty of guys on tour revet one yet

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Speaker 2: and the common thing to say is, oh, he's gonna

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Speaker 2: win one. But for that person, you don't know what's

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Speaker 2: to get over that hump. And so I wasn't sure.

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Speaker 2: Even though I have won golf tournaments and play well

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Speaker 2: in the team events, you know, high pressure situations, I

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Speaker 2: didn't know what being around the lead in a major

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Speaker 3: On a Saturday or a Sunday.

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Speaker 2: And so I guess what I took from the Masters

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Speaker 2: know what I have, what's inside me to win when

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Speaker 2: I still need to go prove I have the game

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Speaker 2: to do it. But it was cool, you know, in

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Speaker 2: that you know the pressure I played with Tiger Thursday Friday,

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Speaker 2: that was a lot. I was final group on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: of killed my chances. Looking the way Scotty finished around,

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Speaker 2: I'm not so sure I was gonna catch him. But

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Speaker 2: I just was very proud that I learned that the

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Speaker 2: same stuff I feel like I've shown in regular tour

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Speaker 2: you know, I guess have the moxie and the sack

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Speaker 2: had that again at the Masters, and I just wasn't

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Speaker 2: prepared for all, like the media attention and the phone

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Speaker 2: blowing up and just really having that. Was fortunately changed

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Speaker 2: that stuff is what I learned about it. So I

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Speaker 2: think taking that going forward can be quite helpful. But

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Speaker 2: I also, yeah, I look back on that and I

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Speaker 2: wasted a lot of shots here and there and still

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Speaker 2: you riise, you don't need to be perfect to you know,

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Speaker 1: How much of getting in the hunt and having a

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Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of people think, Okay, my

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Speaker 1: technique has to be good to get there. But I

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Speaker 1: think what you're saying is maybe it wasn't so much

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Speaker 1: about the technique, it's just when you get into those situations.

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Speaker 1: I always say to players here, trying to win a

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Speaker 1: major championship is like trying to climb Mount Everest and Sunday.

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Speaker 1: If you're in one of the last couple of groups,

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Speaker 1: it's the death zone on Everest, right, everybody's I'll be

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Speaker 1: fine up there, I'll make good decisions. But when you

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Speaker 1: Did you notice a different feeling that you hadn't felt before,

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Speaker 1: because obviously you've won tournaments before, You've won tournaments on

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Speaker 1: big time golf courses too. That's one of the things

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Speaker 1: I love about your game, Quail Hollow. Major championships are

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Speaker 1: played there. You can't fake it around there. Riv obviously

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Speaker 1: you being from California, you can't fake it around those

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Speaker 4: Different than you thought it would be? And was it

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Speaker 1: Easier than you thought it was going to be?

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Speaker 2: But also, you know, I journal a lot, and I'm

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Speaker 2: writing a lot of notes in there just about like

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Speaker 2: So those types of things, like they still feel like

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Speaker 2: not enjoyable. You want it to get to be twelve

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Speaker 2: Saturday's round, it was still very, very windy, and the

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Speaker 2: greens had gotten like absurdly fast. They were the fastest

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Speaker 2: everyone's mindset was, Hey, we're going to get off and

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Speaker 2: I don't think I had I think I was only

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Speaker 2: telling me, you know, you don't have that one. And

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Speaker 2: he asked me on thirteen, He goes, is it time

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Speaker 2: I says, no, It's like not the time, Like we're

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Speaker 2: not we're not playing ourselves out of a golf tourment

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Speaker 2: by taking on a shot that I mean, they're hitting

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Speaker 3: So I just was proud of that.

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Speaker 2: There are some things maybe on Sunday wish maybe would

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Speaker 2: have a lot to look back on and think, man,

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Speaker 2: I think that's why I have been successful on Sundays

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Speaker 2: very good job of just being myself and playing how

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Speaker 2: I learned is I have like what's inside me to

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Speaker 2: actual golf clubs too, so that's a whole other thing.

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Speaker 3: But I was cool, happy with the.

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Speaker 2: Experience, and I do think I have a lot to

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Speaker 1: When you came out of cal and turn pro in fourteen,

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Speaker 1: did you know that decisions that you were going to

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Speaker 1: make like that on the back nine on Sunday even

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Speaker 1: existed right now? Like you're in that situation at Augusta

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Speaker 1: Nashville thirteen and is it time to go?

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Speaker 4: Would you have made that.

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Speaker 1: Decision coming out of college or have you learned now

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Speaker 1: having been.

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Speaker 4: On tour and been in.

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Speaker 1: These situations and gotten yourself in the hunt having won,

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Speaker 1: you know, six times? Is that different than the way

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Speaker 1: you would have thought coming out of college.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I remember I got great advice from a great friend

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Speaker 2: of mine right before I on my first event at

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Speaker 1: You're caddy Jo Grinder. I think you guys are one

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Speaker 1: You know, we say all the time that you know,

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Speaker 2: nothing good right, and I'm really nervous and I'm you know,

436
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Speaker 2: I'm not talking very much. And Joe walked over and

437
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Speaker 2: this is his first time ever caddying for me, and

438
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Speaker 2: he walked over. Uh, he said, he said, you're good,

439
00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,960
Speaker 2: and I said, I'm pretty nervous, Joe, and he goes,

440
00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,040
Speaker 2: he goes, he was always a guy. You know, good rhythm,

441
00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,520
Speaker 2: good rhythm, good rhythm, that's all you usually say. And

442
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Speaker 2: he handed me the three and he goes, hit the

443
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Speaker 2: fucking shit out of it. And I swear, it's the

444
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Speaker 2: best that you could have said. I seed as hard

445
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Speaker 2: as I could. I sent it down the fairway, but

446
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Speaker 2: my favorite. I think this says the most about why

447
00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,600
Speaker 2: I do think Joe in the mix is just the best.

448
00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,400
Speaker 2: But at the Ryder Cup a year ago on eighteen,

449
00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,359
Speaker 2: I got an unfortunate break on my second shot. We

450
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Speaker 2: needed to get up and down to win our match

451
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Speaker 2: to not lose the Ryder Cup, and I got this

452
00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,080
Speaker 2: awful lie and I didn't know what to do, and

453
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Speaker 2: my brain was on kind of maybe swing really hard

454
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Speaker 2: and send it back up the faaraway and try to

455
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Speaker 2: pitch up and make a par And he's so calmly

456
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Speaker 2: and not only had the wherewith all the think of this,

457
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Speaker 2: but how he said it was, Hey, we're gonna take

458
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Speaker 2: it unplayable, you're gonna drop right here, you're gonna chip

459
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Speaker 2: it up and you're gonna make the putt and we're

460
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Speaker 2: gonna win the match. And the way he said it,

461
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Speaker 2: I was like, that's a great plan. And again, just

462
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Speaker 2: to be able to process that we were going to

463
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Speaker 2: do that, I think it's harder than people think. And

464
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Speaker 2: then second to just say it so matter of fact, I.

465
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Speaker 4: Was ready for it that moment. Yeah, it's so huge.

466
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Speaker 2: I didn't feel like a penalty drop. It just felt like, Okay,

467
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Speaker 2: if I get up and down from right here, I

468
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Speaker 2: win my match. And that's what it felt. And it

469
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Speaker 2: turned it into this like I want. I was very

470
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Speaker 2: frustrated with where my ball ended up. It felt like

471
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Speaker 2: it should have been in a lot better spot and

472
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Speaker 2: I dropped it, chipped it up, made the butt and

473
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Speaker 2: it was just it was cool.

474
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Speaker 3: So he does stuff like.

475
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Speaker 2: That a lot.

476
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Speaker 1: You mentioned the Ryder Cup. Every time the Ryder Cup happens,

477
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Speaker 1: both on the euro side but on the American side,

478
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Speaker 1: there will be someone that you know doesn't have a

479
00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:16,000
Speaker 1: history that balls out.

480
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Speaker 4: You did that.

481
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Speaker 1: What was it about that week? Because you you said

482
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Speaker 1: earlier the most pressure you've ever felt is that And

483
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Speaker 1: the stands are getting bigger and bigger. I was there

484
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Speaker 1: the crowds on you know, the on the first hole.

485
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Speaker 2: You know the.

486
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Speaker 1: Amount of people around that first hole in Rome, that

487
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Speaker 1: atmosphere was electric. Does that make you when it's like that?

488
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Speaker 1: And I think the Ryder Cup I remember in Paris

489
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Speaker 1: was the first time they built that big giant stand

490
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Speaker 1: and we were all standing there beforehand and Michael Jordan

491
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Speaker 1: and his crew, Jay and the boys all came down

492
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Speaker 1: and they were talking everybody and you know, high vivan

493
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Speaker 1: and the noise they were singing, And I'll remember Michael said,

494
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Speaker 1: so the first time I've been in a golf tournament

495
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Speaker 1: where I feel like I'm in a sporting so that

496
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Speaker 1: atmosphere on the first hole at at the Ryder Cup,

497
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Speaker 1: it feels like not a golf of that, it feels

498
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Speaker 1: like something different.

499
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Speaker 4: Are you conscious of that?

500
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Speaker 1: And does that heighten kind of everything to make you

501
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,479
Speaker 1: kind of go okay?

502
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Speaker 4: Not only am I wearing the American.

503
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Speaker 1: Flag on my chest and I've got a team, and

504
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Speaker 1: I've got all these people, all the guys that didn't

505
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Speaker 1: play there watching, does it make it just yeah, I'm

506
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Speaker 1: gonna do it. And then if you get off to

507
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Speaker 1: a good store, did you just ride a wave of

508
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Speaker 1: good momentum and just was it just did it snowball

509
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 1: or were you conscious of it all?

510
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Speaker 2: No, at for sure snowballed. I mean I got out there,

511
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 2: I was first very fortunate. I had great partners. I

512
00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,880
Speaker 2: got to play with Windham and Brian and they both

513
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:46,399
Speaker 2: played great. We just had like fun and I just

514
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 2: felt like I really enjoyed the environment and I really

515
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Speaker 2: really do like playing away. I like making it's fun.

516
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Speaker 2: I remember I got in the bus on Sunday. We

517
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Speaker 2: obviously lost, But I got in the bus on Sunday,

518
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Speaker 2: and I know I'm older now, I'm thirty three, about

519
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Speaker 2: to be thirty four. And I told, I told, but

520
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Speaker 2: nowadays that's you know, it's hard to keep making teams,

521
00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 2: you know, And I told my I looked at my

522
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Speaker 2: wife when I got on the bus. I said, I

523
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 2: have to somehow keep my workload up and stay feeling okay,

524
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Speaker 2: because I said, I want to do this again away

525
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: in four years. Like I'm super stoked have an opportunity

526
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 2: at beth Page next year, and that will be, you know,

527
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: a cool thing if I get to do it. But

528
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Speaker 2: the away ones are something else. Obviously they've been very

529
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Speaker 2: difficult in Ryder Cups, but getting getting the crowd to

530
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Speaker 2: shut up is a very good feeling. And that getting

531
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Speaker 2: those moments was cool. But it did snowball, and I

532
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 2: was lucky. The captain's made me feel good about myself

533
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Speaker 2: by giving me five chances. I got to play all

534
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Speaker 2: five matches. We weren't supposed to do that, but you know,

535
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: they saw I was playing well, and it did snowball.

536
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Speaker 2: Just as the days went on, I felt more and

537
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 2: more comfortable. My game felt better and better, and again

538
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Speaker 2: it kind of goes to the to the masters. This

539
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 2: year was when I did get in those moments and

540
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Speaker 2: the club was in my hand, I felt I felt

541
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Speaker 2: like me, and I think that was that was the

542
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Speaker 2: most important part.

543
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Speaker 1: One of my favorite things about the Ryder Cups that

544
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Speaker 1: I've been lucky enough to be a part of are

545
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Speaker 1: those late matches where both of the teams, Yeah, you've

546
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Speaker 1: got all. You've got the Americans and the carts and

547
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 1: the teams going down one side, You've got the Euros

548
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Speaker 1: and there's always those matches, and you know, when you

549
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Speaker 1: are away you do feel like that kind of siege mentality,

550
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: and you make one and you turn back and all

551
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Speaker 1: the teams are down.

552
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Speaker 4: You know, normally it's like those iconic months. The sun's going.

553
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Speaker 1: Down, it's getting colder, and you do something and the

554
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: only roars aren't the big or because in Europe, I mean,

555
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Speaker 1: they're wow there.

556
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Speaker 4: And when you know, when Rory and Shane and those.

557
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Speaker 1: Boys get going, I mean, it gets really really loud.

558
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 1: But if you have an opportunity to make one on them,

559
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Speaker 1: it just must feel so amazing to do that, and

560
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Speaker 1: then to look back at the team and everybody's going crazy.

561
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Speaker 1: I mean, that just must be an amazing experience.

562
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was nothing more fun. I know I got

563
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Speaker 2: a bit contentious. But Saturday night at that last Ryder Cup,

564
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Speaker 2: Pat Birdie's the last, we win the match one out

565
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Speaker 2: there is a bit.

566
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Speaker 4: Of it felt home. It really feels it felt like

567
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Speaker 4: they're some hope.

568
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 2: He gave us so much hope and we're all waving

569
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Speaker 2: the hats and it's just us and I mean, yeah,

570
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Speaker 2: it got quiet out there, but we were screaming so

571
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Speaker 2: loud you want to notice. And the camaraderie and and

572
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 2: everybody getting I think, to band together.

573
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Speaker 3: It's so rare in our sport.

574
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Speaker 2: But everyone getting a band together and and and rally

575
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Speaker 2: around each other and go crazy. I mean, there's truly

576
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Speaker 2: nothing like it.

577
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask this question not to put you on

578
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Speaker 1: the spot, but it's a question that I don't get

579
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Speaker 1: to ask because my dad always told me the number

580
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Speaker 1: one thing you need to know when you work for

581
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Speaker 1: a tour player is the only certainty is you will

582
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Speaker 1: get fired. You've made the decision to let Mark Blackburn go.

583
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Speaker 4: And the reason why I ask, I.

584
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Speaker 1: Know that's not an easy decision as a plan and

585
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Speaker 1: as an instructor, I don't get to when I when

586
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Speaker 1: I get let go by players, I never really get

587
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Speaker 1: to ask them why. They'll tell you, hey, man, you

588
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: know it's just you know, it's tough. But that decision

589
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Speaker 1: and that process. Obviously, you and Mark had a really

590
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Speaker 1: good run. I know you care about him as a

591
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Speaker 1: person as well. I was just with them at the

592
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Speaker 1: TPI conference a couple of weeks ago and we were

593
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Speaker 1: talking about it, and you know, we spend more time

594
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Speaker 1: with you guys and we spend with our families. Right,

595
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: I've met more time around tour players than I've spent

596
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Speaker 1: around my wife and my daughter. So that environment is

597
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Speaker 1: I don't think people realize how intense that environment is.

598
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Speaker 1: And I think the work that you guys put in

599
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Speaker 1: was very intense. I mean I watched you guys grind

600
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Speaker 1: and stuff the decision to do that. I know the

601
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Speaker 1: type of person you are, I know how much you

602
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Speaker 1: care about your team and the people on your team.

603
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Speaker 1: That's not an easy decision to make. So when you

604
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Speaker 1: do make that decision, or did make that decision, it

605
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Speaker 1: was born out of what and in an effort to

606
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Speaker 1: do what.

607
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a multitude of things. It's hard to do, I

608
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: think because you are so appreciative where someone has taken you.

609
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Speaker 2: I mean, he took me from a good player to

610
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Speaker 2: a very good player. We want a bunch, had a

611
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Speaker 2: lot of really high moments, and I really do care

612
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Speaker 2: for him and think the world of him. Coach Younger

613
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Speaker 2: in My Life, Les Johnson says something interesting. He's like,

614
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Speaker 2: I can say the most perfect thing, but if you

615
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: don't hear how I'm saying it, it is, it doesn't work.

616
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Speaker 2: And I I think basically we just had about an

617
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Speaker 2: eleven month run of the same issue over and over again,

618
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Speaker 2: and it felt like we were both kind of just

619
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Speaker 2: throwing mud at the wall, and I felt like I

620
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: wasn't helping and that I'd get an idea and that

621
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Speaker 2: might step on his toes at times. So I don't

622
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Speaker 2: think I was like I was kind of stunting the process.

623
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Speaker 2: And I do believe if we were together forever we

624
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Speaker 2: would figure it out, I mean eventually, but it felt

625
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Speaker 2: like I just wasn't hearing it anymore.

626
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Speaker 1: And I always say that, you know, when I got

627
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: let by let go by Brooks and somebody said, you

628
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: know why, and I said, our job, I think his

629
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 1: instructors is we kind of have a.

630
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Speaker 4: Clear idea of what, yeah, makes you good.

631
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Speaker 1: And I always say this, we always get fired as

632
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: instructors for the same reason we get hired. We come

633
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Speaker 1: in and we tell you something someone hasn't or maybe

634
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Speaker 1: we we have. We come up with a concept or

635
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 1: a theory, and you think, Okay, I haven't heard that before.

636
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: In our head, we're just going to keep telling you

637
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: the same thing because it works. But eventually it's always.

638
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 4: The same thing.

639
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 1: You just get I think you as guys as players,

640
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: which I understand it's tough for us on our side

641
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: of the aisle versus you guys, but sometimes you're just like, yeah,

642
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't want to hear that anymore.

643
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

644
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: And that's always frustrating from our side, from the coaching side,

645
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: because we're like, yeah, but we know that's what made

646
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: you a good player. Yeah, and I know that those

647
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: decisions aren't taken lightly. Where do you want to try

648
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,360
Speaker 1: and go with your golf swing now? Because I liked

649
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: the work that you guys did. I mean, I think

650
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 1: you're one of the golf swings that when people ask

651
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,360
Speaker 1: me whose golf swings.

652
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 4: I like you are always one of the three or four.

653
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Speaker 1: Guys that I will say, because you know, when I

654
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Speaker 1: think about golf swings, I look at style and function,

655
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: and I think you have a really good combo of both,

656
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: and you're someone if I'm waiting on the driving range,

657
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: you're a guy that I will sit back and watch

658
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: you hit golf balls because I like the movement and

659
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: the way it looks. So in an effort now to

660
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: try and go in a different direction, and an effort

661
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: now to try.

662
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: And get better. It took me a long time to

663
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 4: realize that.

664
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: You know, you do get hurt when you get let go,

665
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 1: But my dad said, listen, they're just trying to get better. Yeah,

666
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: and maybe they have to go in that direction. So yeah,

667
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: the direction that you've been in with your golf swing

668
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: and the direction that you're looking to go in now,

669
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: is it a big change?

670
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everything you know, when you've been doing

671
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 2: something a while, it's a big change. But I think,

672
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: first and foremost, I want to take more ownership of

673
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: what I do in my swing because I think what

674
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: you just spoke on is interesting and very very accurate.

675
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 2: You guys have amazing eyes and you see the big picture.

676
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: But again they're hitting the shots and we can't get.

677
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: And I get zoned in on a one thing, and

678
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: so like there's a video I have from back in

679
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: like January. I found that basically was the same problem

680
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: I've had since whenever I've heard things, I've had, you know,

681
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: times where I would go to work on something. Now

682
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: in the last month, I'm like, oh, you know, that's

683
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 2: kind of what Mark was getting at, but like I

684
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 2: just didn't see it, and.

685
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: So I kind of have the big picture. I can

686
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: see it now.

687
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: For me, it's just I've had that and I've had

688
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: the same kind of running issue for my whole life.

689
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 2: I would say everyone has their little idiosyncracies. But I

690
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: struggle with some weight shift stuff and I tilt and

691
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 2: my club gets stuck as it gets longer. So this

692
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 2: year I still wedged it really really well. I think

693
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: I was still like top tenish and like inside one

694
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five yards, but as the club got longer,

695
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: club gets more and more stuck. So getting to see

696
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: and finally understand I guess now why that was happening.

697
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: And again, like gu's what's so funny is like Joe

698
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: and I were talking about it a month or so later,

699
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, as we're talking about I'm like, oh,

700
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 2: that's exactly what Mark was saying. I just didn't Again,

701
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: that's what's so hard is I didn't hear it the

702
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: right way. And so yeah, it's just a lot of

703
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: like I just need to get off the ball a

704
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: little bit better so I have somewhere to more for

705
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: my chest to go and so I don't have to

706
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: hang back and kind of flip it. So I've never

707
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: been a world class driver of the ball, but when

708
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: I have been playing well in you know, twenty two

709
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 2: and twenty three, I've driven the ball well enough and

710
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: then relied on my iron. So just kind of getting

711
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: back to having a bit more of a consistent delivery

712
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: with the driver.

713
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: But the other part of this.

714
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: Is I'm not trying to be as good as I

715
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: was in twenty two and three, Like I'm trying to

716
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: be significantly better than that. So it's taking all of

717
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: that that I've learned in that time and using it

718
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 2: to get better than I was. But in the in

719
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: the process, you're just kind of you just always e

720
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: been and flowing man. You're just it's not like you know,

721
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 2: I'm not just trying to get back like I don't

722
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: think about it like, oh, I'm just trying to get

723
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: better than I was today tomorrow and then just add

724
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: that on up for hopefully the you know, next twenty

725
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: or so years.

726
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: You like the way your golf swing looks at some

727
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: days because I asked that because I worked.

728
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 4: I worked with Trevor and Woman and you know, kind

729
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 4: of and I hated it.

730
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: Trevor hated his golf swing, and Adam Scott and Tiger

731
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: used to go, man the way Scotty sween is. And

732
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: then in four, you know, I've got some video in

733
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: four when Trevor was they were defending champions. Uh he

734
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: and Rory Sabatine and they're defending champions the World Cup.

735
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: We're in Seville and Trevor was hitting golf balls and

736
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: he was just and I quit that week because I said.

737
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 4: I just can't take it anymore. And he was like,

738
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 4: my golf swing's terrible.

739
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: And like four or five years ago when when I

740
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: was still working with Trevor before you started working with Como,

741
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, man, you got any old swings you know,

742
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: back in the day, And I sent him the swing

743
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: the day I quit, he was like, I give anything

744
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: swing it like that. I'm like, bro, you fired. I

745
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: quit that day because you said it was awful. So

746
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 1: what do you like about your golf swing and what

747
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: do you not like about your golf look wise?

748
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny you say that.

749
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: The the best I've ever hit in a golf turn

750
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 2: is at Tory Pines. Uh, when I won and I

751
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: was doing something in the golf so and I didn't

752
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: like my arms kind of shifted out and I didn't

753
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: like that. And uh about two months ago, three months ago,

754
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 2: whenever I kind of left Mark, I went back and

755
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 2: just like compile on my best you know, hitting performances

756
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: from YouTube, and I'm looking at this swing. The best

757
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: shot I ever here was this four iron on sixteen

758
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 2: there and uh on, I guess it was Saturday in

759
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: final round and I'm looking at this and I just like,

760
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: I'd give anything to have that back. And then I'm

761
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: thinking to myself, I hated that my arms move, So

762
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 2: I actually do like that. What I like about my

763
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: golf swing the most. My rhythm's very good. I think

764
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: sometimes actually when I hate my swing and I feel

765
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: like I'm nitpicking it. I'll put my phone and watch

766
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: it from like this far away, because you kind of

767
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: see more big picture less little things when you when

768
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: you when.

769
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 4: You're up close everything.

770
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: When you zoom in and you slow mo, you see

771
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: every little thing you do, uh, and it drives you nuts.

772
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: You know.

773
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: Rory and I have talked about this. He's like, I

774
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: love that you do this in your swing, and he goes,

775
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: I hate how I do a lot of things. But

776
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: he made the point. He goes, I think you probably

777
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,719
Speaker 2: like some things I do in my swing. Like I

778
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: like most of what you do in your swing man like,

779
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: but we're all psycho so uh yeah. What I don't

780
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 2: like in my swing again is just like I slide

781
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: a lot, I tilt a lot.

782
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Uh.

783
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: Club just has to like have a lot of play

784
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: at the bottom. It's why, Uh it just is gets

785
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 2: some more inconsistent down there. But I do think that

786
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 2: I have my we always said it. Rhythm is is

787
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 2: the glue to a lot of golf swings. There's there's

788
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: a lot of swings that have you know, Louis uses

789
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: and has the probably the prettiest golf swing of all time.

790
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: But if you slow it down, there's some things I

791
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: would change. It's a little bit on the edge. Yeah yeah,

792
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: five years yeah, another beautiful hell yeah. But watching it

793
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: in real time is gorgeous, and that holds a lot

794
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 2: of maybe not perfect things together. But there's I mean,

795
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: there's probably one perfect golf swing of all time at

796
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: Tiger in two thousand. I mean that's the closest thing

797
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 2: you get to a robot. But everybody else has something

798
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: going on that if if it was my swing, I

799
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: could maybe get in there and say, oh, this isn't exactly.

800
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: What I would do. Uh.

801
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: So it's like it's just an impossible game. So I

802
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: I'm trying again in this new like what I'm gonna

803
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: call my next phase of golf life, I would I'm

804
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot less picky and look at the

805
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: things I do. Like I like when I cover the

806
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: golf ball. I like when it looks like I'm turning

807
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: through the shot.

808
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: Uh.

809
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: And I like when my rhythm is nice and clean.

810
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna focus more on that and

811
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: not like that my thumb is forty degrees instead of

812
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: forty three degrees. You know, I'm not going to freak

813
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: out of all the little things.

814
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: So what's a win for you in twenty twenty five,

815
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: with not only the season, but with where you're trying

816
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: to go with your golf swing.

817
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, more in the hunt in the majors. Yeah, I

818
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 5: I for your goals. I've never really looked at it

819
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 5: exactly like that. I mean, I would just like to

820
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 5: get the control back of the ball. I've seen a

821
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 5: lot of good improvements President's Cup and.

822
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: Zozo I drove the ball a lot better.

823
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: I think when I drive the ball, well, I've just

824
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: always figured out the irons. Even when it doesn't feel good,

825
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 2: I'll figure them out. So yeah, I mean I love,

826
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: always love getting to the Tour Championship. I think that's

827
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: a that that means you've had an elite season.

828
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: Adam Scott used to tell me that in his mind,

829
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: getting to the Tour Championship was a prerequisite.

830
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you want to be thought of as one

831
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 4: of the best players.

832
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: Sitting home after the BMW and not making it just

833
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: you just don't feel like you're a part of much

834
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: anything elite. So that's a tough one.

835
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: God, time you get to Eastlake, you kind of separate

836
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: yourself from everybody else.

837
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: The bigger sample size you've proven yourself for a year,

838
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 2: I don't care how you did it. If you make

839
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: it there, you've had a hell of a season. So

840
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: doing that is always my goal. Getting in the high majors,

841
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: of course, is a goal, but those things can be fickle,

842
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: so I don't like to just have a hard stop

843
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: on that. But of course, I mean be lying if

844
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: I was sitting here and I didn't say I want

845
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: to win a major, and I may. I want to

846
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: win every golf tourn I play, so but I know

847
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 2: that if I keep just checking off the boxes and

848
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: getting back to having some control of the golf ball

849
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: with the longer stuff, everything else is good. I was

850
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,479
Speaker 2: really pleased with this season. I got it really good

851
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 2: at a lot of things I had not been good

852
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 2: at because I was forced to. And I'm really looking

853
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: forward to now that I'm hitting the ball a lot

854
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 2: better kind of taking those things I have gotten better

855
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: at and then using the stuff that I've always been

856
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: pretty good at then combining them into hopefully a lot

857
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: more success.

858
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: I mentioned that I love looking at your golf swing,

859
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: but one of the things I love about your game

860
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: is you win golf tournaments on big time tory riv

861
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: Quail Hollow, What about really difficult hard golf course because

862
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: there are guys that can win on golf courses like that,

863
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: and then there are guys that feel much more comfortable Scottsdale. Yeah,

864
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: thirty under those type of golf tournaments eight to six to.

865
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 4: Maybe eleven are gonna win.

866
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go to RIV and shoot twenty five under.

867
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go to Tory and shoot you know

868
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 1: you four rounds in the sixties.

869
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 4: If you do, you're gonna win by a million.

870
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, waku did it at RIV when you're in one

871
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 2: by about twelve.

872
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 4: Quail Hollow, you won there twice.

873
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: But those type of championship, big boy golf course. What

874
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: do you like about that challenge?

875
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: I do believe I have when my mine's in the

876
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: right spot, I've got a lot of grit. I can,

877
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 2: I can? I can? I can? You know, do eighteen

878
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: rounds with a golf course when it's when it's hard.

879
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: I like, especially when you do get in the mix,

880
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: you know things are gonna go poorly at times. The

881
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: golf course is gonna come up and bite you. So

882
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: I do like that challenge. I like knowing that some

883
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: people are going to get frustrated with it, so I

884
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: get in my little bubble.

885
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: But I think it really does.

886
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: Stem stem down to I. I have typically had a

887
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: pretty well rounded game. I don't think I stand out

888
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: in one area over the course of a season too often.

889
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: But in general, I think that you know, I chipped

890
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 2: the ball well, I typically put it pretty well, iron

891
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: it well. You know I'm driving in the fairway. Like

892
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: I just feel like I can almost like lull hard

893
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: golf courses to sleep at times because of just having

894
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: kind of like an even like an even circle around

895
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: the grid. But yeah, I don't know. I also just

896
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: think I do think that part of it is just

897
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 2: having what's inside you. And I've had an interesting career.

898
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: My my path has absolutely not been linear, and I

899
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: think maybe I just have some some some moxie or something.

900
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: At least I'm going to keep telling myself that.

901
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: You've made the decision to move to Cobra Golf, welcome

902
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: to the fans.

903
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 2: Thank you, Yeah, thank you.

904
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: That process changing equipment, I mean, I think there's three

905
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: things in in in your professional on the golf course

906
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: game that are going to be big game changers when

907
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: you make decision to change caddies. You make the decision

908
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: to change coaches and then the decision to change equipment.

909
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: Why Cobra, what do you like about it? How's the

910
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 1: testing process been getting in all their new equipment.

911
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. I never thought i'd leave. I never

912
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: thought i'd switch, But I know we did have a

913
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: tough year. And Joe says something interesting. He said, hey,

914
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 2: if we could learn one thing at the end of

915
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 2: this year, because it was you know, we knew it

916
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: was our contract year. He's like, we know, you know,

917
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: the golf clubs don't always make the ball go straight

918
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: like you make the ball go straight. So at least

919
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 2: we learned that. So he said, you might as well

920
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: at least go look and just see if there's something

921
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,240
Speaker 2: else you like. And I was never going to chase

922
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: a dollar. I was never going to change something to

923
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: give up even a half a tick of a stroke,

924
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,479
Speaker 2: because the thing that makes me the happiest is playing

925
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: great golf. So but once I have my mindset on, like, hey,

926
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: at least we'll go shop around and see what everybody's got.

927
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: I haven't hit a different golf club in twenty years maybe,

928
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: so it's like I was like, Okay, I'll go see

929
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: at least like that basically got my foot in the

930
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 2: door to think about, dream about going somewhere else. I

931
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: will say three years ago, I always love you know,

932
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: I love the culture of this company. I've gotten to

933
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: know some people over the years. Ricky and Gary are

934
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: good friends of mine, so getting to be around them

935
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: a lot. I've always liked the look of their clubs,

936
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: and I have never hit one. So I remember three

937
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 2: years ago I told Joe. I was like, man, it'd

938
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: be kind of cool to do the Cobra thing. At

939
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: some point. I get to play my golf ball, like

940
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: you know, just dream and messing around. So when we

941
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: did have the opportunity to test these clubs, I was

942
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 2: amazed immediately at the irons. I love irons. I love

943
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: looking at them, I love hitting them. So when I

944
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: hit their seven, I remember I was like, damn, this

945
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: is this is really good and it felt really good.

946
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: Numbers were great, and then we got further up the

947
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: bag and I was like, man, I really like this

948
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: four and five iron, Like this fits. And then we

949
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 2: got to obviously the driver, and the driver's awesome. The

950
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 2: sound of it is amazing, and then all of a sudden,

951
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: I was like, man, maybe this.

952
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 3: Like I really could do this.

953
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 4: It looks cool.

954
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 3: It looks cool, like when you set it down.

955
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: I always say, you know, the way this new driver

956
00:38:59,040 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: looks looks fast.

957
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 4: I love the way you sleek.

958
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: It looks it's very cool. So I was like, man,

959
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: and then you start to think about it and you're like.

960
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: The other thing Joe said was is you know he

961
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: plays a lot at home and he buys new golf

962
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 2: club every damn week, and he's like, hey, you never

963
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 2: changed clubs. You don't get to make it exciting, like

964
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: it's it's fun to get a new golf club.

965
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 4: It's the testing process been fun.

966
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it honestly has. I mean, I I don't know.

967
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: I'm not a gearhead. I know very little. Joe is

968
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: much more on the like he knows the spin and

969
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 2: all this stuff. And we've used obviously Showman quite a

970
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 2: bit to help us, and that Before I actually get

971
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 2: past that, I will say that that was a big

972
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: part of what I was looking for. Is what I

973
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 2: learned at Titleists with JJ and Arundill. Two people like

974
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: that I just think are brilliant. I on the on

975
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 2: this process. I was interviewing like fitters a lot, and

976
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: I think they play such a massive role in what

977
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: we do. Again, as someone who doesn't know loads about

978
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: a golf club and how it works, you can it's

979
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 2: just like coaching. If they're not seeing what you're feeling,

980
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 2: or they're not able to translate what I I'm saying,

981
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter.

982
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: They could build a.

983
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 2: Golf club that's a beautiful golf club, but it's wrong

984
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: for me. And so Ben did such a great job

985
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 2: and yeah, I don't know. I again, I'm much more

986
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: feel So I went to looking at you know, how

987
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 2: they felt, what the windows they come out of. Does

988
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: a shot that feels it's a little pole? Is it

989
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: a little pole? I love when those matchups. So it

990
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: has been fun because getting it. I mean even just

991
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: this week. You know, I've still been testing quite a bit.

992
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 2: I've got the irons figured out.

993
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: But the driver you're looking at getting in ds adapt

994
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: which bottle do you like?

995
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 3: So we had I had left Scott still.

996
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: I just got these clubs like five I mean, I've

997
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: been hitting them, but I just got them at my

998
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: house now for like five days. So I got here

999
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: and the driver's been fine. The good wins have been phenomenal,

1000
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: but I've been missing the middle a lot so randomly.

1001
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: You know, We've been trying to test as much as

1002
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,720
Speaker 2: we can in the downtime you have in these shoots,

1003
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 2: and I was over on doing the commercial thing. They

1004
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: had a nine degree head instead of my ten and

1005
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 2: a half, and I was actually hitting that one better

1006
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: then I had anticipated. I struggled with low loft and

1007
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: so I asked them today. They built me nine head,

1008
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: but tweaked the loft way up and that thing I've

1009
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: been hitting great. So I have the I have the

1010
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: nine head. I forget what's setting. There's thirty three of them.

1011
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, the future. Yeah, how do you think that?

1012
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of movement in there. And I think

1013
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: that's really good for you as a player, both at

1014
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: the amateur level but at the elite level, because the

1015
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: amateur the lie the lie change, I think, yeah, that's massive. Yeah,

1016
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: But for you guys at the level that you're at,

1017
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 1: I think this new hozzle is going to be almost

1018
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: allow the driver to be like a Formula one.

1019
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 3: Race for Harris.

1020
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: Let's just take a little tweak out, yeah, and make

1021
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: small incremental changes because there are so many different options.

1022
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 2: Exactly I think that's exactly right because I think like today,

1023
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,120
Speaker 2: when we got the new or different head, the middle

1024
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 2: started to be hit a lot more often. I got

1025
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,479
Speaker 2: it back up in the face that was a little

1026
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: less low on the face, so the ball was flying great.

1027
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: So I think the benefit is the head. We got

1028
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 2: the head and the heads figured out, but now you

1029
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 2: know little things. I was kind of leaning maybe a

1030
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 2: shade more on the toe today than the heel. So

1031
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 2: that's where I think all the options come in. That

1032
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: is such a benefit is I know I have the head. Now,

1033
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: we just have to find the setting that's dead nuts perfect.

1034
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: But if I had to go play with that thing

1035
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: I've got right now tomorrow, I'd be very very comfortable

1036
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: with it. So I think that's the uniqueness and the benefit.

1037
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: If you get a little off, as you know better

1038
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: than anybody, when we're a little bit off, it can

1039
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: look worse than it really is. But maybe we're just

1040
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: a little more steep than normal, or shafts a little

1041
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 2: bit lower than normal, or handle so it's like, hey,

1042
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: now we can just tweak it with the driver. We

1043
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 2: don't need to build a whole new thing and then

1044
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: try eight different times. We can taake the same driver

1045
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: and just make a little little adjustment, and you can

1046
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: look at the same thing you've been looking at. You

1047
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: know how it works, you know the shaft, you know

1048
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: all those things, and then just go right into golf

1049
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: mode because you know there's a lot of options to

1050
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: make you better really quickly. And I think that's a

1051
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: big thing, because building a new driver and trying to

1052
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: get used to that is tricky. When you could just

1053
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 2: tweak it with the hozzle, it's a whole different world

1054
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: than thirty three options. If I can figure out in

1055
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 2: thirty three that's a me problem.

1056
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 1: Iron Wise, the new three D printing that Kobe's doing,

1057
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: I think is going to be a game.

1058
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, surely.

1059
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 1: I love the way that that limited with the three D. Yeah,

1060
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: I love the way it looks. It's a combo of

1061
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: like a player's looking iron, but it's a little bit

1062
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: more forgiveness. What have you liked about the feel of that?

1063
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was surprised.

1064
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: It is I don't know the exact word to use,

1065
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 2: but it feels almost like there's a bit more behind

1066
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 2: it with the metal, So it feels like the good

1067
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: ones are great. They feel like there's like a maybe

1068
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: a shade more hit on them. But what I was

1069
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,399
Speaker 2: fascinated by is I caught one low on the face

1070
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: the first day. I hit him and I looked up

1071
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 2: and it flew just fine. And I looked over to

1072
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: Joe and Ben and I was like, would that fly?

1073
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: Because that should not have been a great shot, and

1074
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: they said it flew seven yards shorter than my normal,

1075
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 2: which is not a big you know, I was hitting

1076
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: like a big for a two and a half grooves

1077
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: low three. If I'm being honest, it was. It was

1078
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: great and again it and that's what it is. I

1079
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: just think that it's not just that necessarily. The sweet

1080
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 2: spotspaker to me feels like it's just more evenly placed

1081
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: and it's just more solid. There's more behind it, and

1082
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: so a little mishit turns out to be not so bad.

1083
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: And the good ones feel like extremely good. And I

1084
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: like how they look. I've been lucky. They they they

1085
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 2: three D printed me some that look exactly how I

1086
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 2: want them to be. I mean, they're the blades, but

1087
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 2: they they have the same top line I use. So

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00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 2: they basically just built me an iron that I want.

1089
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 2: With the metal day and everything.

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00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 4: I think that's going to be the game changer.

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00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: You know, in five years time, the consumer there could

1092
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: be a world where the consumer says, listen, want my

1093
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: driver to or I want my iron to look like this,

1094
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: and make it look like this.

1095
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 4: Order it.

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00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: It's like in a car, you know, I want this

1097
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: sense here. Yeah, so I think that it's it's it's

1098
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: going to be absolutely used the perfectly. Game changers is

1099
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 2: dead on.

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00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 4: Your new dad.

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00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: You're showing me some video before we started of your

1102
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: two year old son. What's that pro It has been

1103
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: like I'm on the other end of that spectrum.

1104
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 4: My daughter just graduated from college singrat. She's starting out.

1105
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: But as being a dad changed you at all, and

1106
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: has it been different or the same as you thought.

1107
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: No, it has changed me. I'm much more patient. But

1108
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: it has been a ten out of ten fun experience.

1109
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 2: There is some tough times, not gonna lie, but he's

1110
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 2: in a very fun age. But it's been interesting. I

1111
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 2: definitely get dad guilt being away from home. It is

1112
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: very very difficult, but I have and thankful for my

1113
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: wife for help me feel this way. But have been

1114
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 2: very motivated to do this long enough so he can

1115
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: see me, you know, with his own eyes and remember it,

1116
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: and also in that vein, I want him to very

1117
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: very badly. I want him to see that because his

1118
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,920
Speaker 2: dad did it. If you work your ass off and

1119
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: you just chase something that you really love and you

1120
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: believe in, you can make it happen. So I'm probably

1121
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: more motivated even than before having a kid to show

1122
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: him those things. And it's been it's been very, very

1123
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 2: fun to watch him grow up and get to continue

1124
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 2: to take him to the coolest places in the world.

1125
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: And I mean just this year alone, I mean he

1126
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 2: was we were running around the Green at Mirfield and

1127
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: Clumber and Dublin and I'm just dying laughing, like you

1128
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: have no idea how lucky you are get out like

1129
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: I he gets to go everywhere and anywhere. But that's

1130
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: what That's the stuff me and his mom are gonna

1131
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 2: remember forever and we're gonna have to tell him about

1132
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: like cheesy parents in the future.

1133
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 4: Your Dodgers won the World Series.

1134
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: Probably my astros did not play Hell yeah, lifelong Dodger fan.

1135
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: Just did you party? Do you celebrate?

1136
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 2: Kind? Is my son's actually second birthday, So we just

1137
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 2: unwinded by going straight to bed. It was it was awesome.

1138
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 2: I you know, got some friends on a team. I

1139
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 2: love it so much. It was fun. We were watching

1140
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: the first two or three games in Japan, which was tough,

1141
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 2: nine oh eight start times, am teen off watching on

1142
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: the phone, so it was it was a blast. But

1143
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: it's so funny, you know, it's playing a sport and

1144
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: then being a fan of a sport. I'm so different,

1145
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 2: you know. I know the boys are trying their hardest.

1146
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: I know, you know they want it as badly as,

1147
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 2: you know, as they possibly can, because I do it.

1148
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 2: And when people are like, oh, I just wish you

1149
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: practice hard's like I practice as hard as I can.

1150
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: I want this as much as anybody could ever imagine.

1151
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 2: But for the to get to watch them actually do it,

1152
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 2: for them you could feel like the relief and the excitement.

1153
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 2: But for us as fans, man, I mean they they

1154
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: they give so much entertainment to us. We're so fortunate

1155
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 2: to have a team that's good year over year, and yeah,

1156
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: I mean it was. It was just one of those

1157
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: things of the twenty twenty one. I was going to

1158
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: count until they wanted, you know, one with the fans

1159
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: because it didn't feel like the excitement they didn't get

1160
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: the parade, they didn't get all these things, so this

1161
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: one feels extra special.

1162
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 4: Max.

1163
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you. It's every time I talk

1164
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: to you. You've been on the pod before, so thanks

1165
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: for coming on. Yeah, it's so easy to see you

1166
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: are such a fan favorite. I think everybody's rooting for you,

1167
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: and I think I think this was this one as

1168
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: tough as I think you think this year was. I

1169
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: think it was a breakout year for you to finally

1170
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: realize that you're you're good enough to win a major.

1171
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: All you have to do is just get in contention. Yeah, right,

1172
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: and I think we are going to see you in

1173
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: contention more often. So thanks for Thank you.

1174
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: I appreciate you.

1175
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me so really cool talk with

1176
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: Max Homa and listen, it's easy to see why the

1177
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: fans like him, right, He's a lot of fun to

1178
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: talk with. I kind of like his approach. I like

1179
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 1: kind of how he thinks about his game. And listen,

1180
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: golf is tough. Max is trying to get better, but

1181
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: he's made some decisions that you know, we're gonna see

1182
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: if they pan out. But I really like the fact

1183
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: that he's on the Cobra team now and yeah, let's

1184
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: see what he can do. I think everybody is waiting

1185
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: to see how Max performs in the majors. It's a

1186
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: Writer Cup year. He was a huge part of the

1187
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: Writer Cup in Rome. Probably one of the best American players.

1188
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: But like I said, I'm a fan and it's fun

1189
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: to watch Max anywhere he plays.

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00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 4: I want to thank everyone for.

1191
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: Listening, rate, review, subscribe wherever you get your podcast.

1192
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,840
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