Speaker 1: Al Zone Media.
Speaker 2: Garrison takes a puff of their clove cigarette as slow
Speaker 2: jazz plays in the background. These sites say what they
Speaker 2: used to be. I've been digging into liberal conspiracy theories.
Speaker 2: That is, they're all the rage where the sky is
Speaker 2: blue and the book is face. These libs think old
Speaker 2: Donnie Jay's close call in Pennsylvania was a false flag,
Speaker 2: that the South African Musk stole the election, and that
Speaker 2: the Park Service has gone rogue, waging an insurgent information
Speaker 2: warfare against this corrupt administration, sending out coded messages on
Speaker 2: social media. It's called blue and on dohal and it's
Speaker 2: been making me blue. This is it could happen here.
Speaker 2: I'm Davis. I'm joined by Mio Wong for our blue
Speaker 2: on on episode Finally.
Speaker 3: I never thought. I never thought I would have been
Speaker 3: nostalgic for the days where I was arguing with isis
Speaker 3: on Twitter. But increasingly increasingly I am looking back at
Speaker 3: that as the golden age the Internet. We were merely dealing.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's only gotten.
Speaker 4: More stupid right wing terroristualization.
Speaker 2: It's it's only gonna get more stupid from here.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, this is this is the least stupid.
Speaker 3: It's going to be for at least fifty years.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing that I realized what doing
Speaker 2: my research for this bloon On episode, is that usually
Speaker 2: conspiracy research is kind of fun. I have a good
Speaker 2: time looking into conspiracy theories. I like going to conspiracy conventions.
Speaker 2: I get joy out of this, almost no joy. Looking
Speaker 2: into liberal conspiracy theories really boring and kind of sad.
Speaker 3: So that's the intro for this episode, Garrison, can I
Speaker 3: interest you in some of the bespoke shit, none of
Speaker 3: none of the none of this twenty twenty four elections stolen?
Speaker 3: Can I Can I interest you in some two thousand
Speaker 3: and four Iowa vote total?
Speaker 2: Stay? Oh yeah, absolutely, We'll get to that much. We'll
Speaker 2: get to that in our last section. Because yeah, there
Speaker 2: has been liberal election done out in the past, not
Speaker 2: at the same I think scale it exists at now,
Speaker 2: but yes, it certainly has existed before. And you know,
Speaker 2: for a while, conspiracy theories were like a bipartisan or
Speaker 2: at least like a by directional political pastime, like old
Speaker 2: conspiracy magazines were not as partisan as conspiracy theories has
Speaker 2: seemed today. Think of like you know, JFK. Everyone gets
Speaker 2: to have fun with JFK except for me. I don't
Speaker 2: have any fun with that. And conspiracy culture used to
Speaker 2: like crossover between hippie environmentalism, anti semitism, anti corporatism, anti authoritarianism.
Speaker 2: All these things exist both on the far right and
Speaker 2: the far left. There was a lot of meshing between
Speaker 2: different different polarities of conspiracy theory. And I think politics
Speaker 2: on the fringe are slightly more susceptible to conspiratorial thinking.
Speaker 2: And if if you spend an amount of time and like,
Speaker 2: you know, the communist left, you'll see that they have
Speaker 2: their fair share of conspiracy theories or even just a
Speaker 2: conspiratorial way of understanding the world.
Speaker 4: They all think that we work for the CIA.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stuff about the CIA and NATO, all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: And though like anti vaccine and nine to eleven trutherism
Speaker 2: were initially more liberal aligned conspiracy theories, in the Obama years,
Speaker 2: conspiracy culture coalesced around the growing far right. Look at
Speaker 2: people like Glenn Beck and the slide of Alex Jones
Speaker 2: into the fascist right. Case in point Obama, Birtherism and
Speaker 2: all this stuff leads to Donald Trump and QAnon. As
Speaker 2: of late, liberals have had a conception that as the
Speaker 2: more rational of the two political alignments, they were almost
Speaker 2: naturally immune to conspiratorial thinking. Meanwhile, attacks on consensus, reality,
Speaker 2: fractured information streams, and any larger collective sense of what's
Speaker 2: real and what isn't started to slip away from everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your camera's flashing.
Speaker 4: They're trying to silence me. They're trying to I'm getting
Speaker 4: too close to the truth.
Speaker 3: He legitimately looked like a fucking like you're being taken
Speaker 3: off the air in a cyberpunk pirate radios taken my.
Speaker 4: Cat started to unflug my camera rehit.
Speaker 2: Although my cat is named Theodore Katzinski and Kazinsky was
Speaker 2: a CIA operative who got mk ultra, so you never know.
Speaker 2: The right wings trailblazing of political unreality allowed space for
Speaker 2: liberals to dip their toes into the conspiratorial mindset again,
Speaker 2: but maybe without even realizing that's what they were doing.
Speaker 2: Exaggerations of Russia Gate was one of the first Trump
Speaker 2: era liberal experiments with conspiracy theories, the idea that Russia
Speaker 2: not only engaged in hacking on a social media disformation
Speaker 2: campaign to influence the twenty sixteen election, but that Donald
Speaker 2: Trump himself colluded with Russia to get himself elected and
Speaker 2: might even be a Russian asset. And even though those
Speaker 2: allegations were investigated and not concretely proven, the conspiratorial churn continued,
Speaker 2: emboldened by the media environment that the right has created.
Speaker 2: As QAnon accelerated during the second half of Trump's first term,
Speaker 2: so did the decline of American consensus reality, culminating in
Speaker 2: the Stop the Steel movement in January sixth, which were
Speaker 2: explosive manifestations of Internet conspiracism which erupted in the physical world.
Speaker 2: A severe fracturing of reality took place. Any conception of
Speaker 2: a shared political reality seemed so far gone, and the
Speaker 2: effects of this loss aren't just contained to Republicans, but
Speaker 2: this also enables liberals and people on the left by
Speaker 2: opening up space for small reality tunnels to form regardless
Speaker 2: of political ideology. The siloing of information channels makes it
Speaker 2: almost impossible to actually form a consensus reality as the
Speaker 2: United States has embraced its political cafe. As everything gets
Speaker 2: more absurd, what loses is political mundanity. Liberals and the
Speaker 2: left were almost destined to become more conspiratorial in this
Speaker 2: current moment, and you can even look at how newsome
Speaker 2: is like copying Trump's posting strategies, and even how people
Speaker 2: like me memify and replicate Trump phrases. Many such cases,
Speaker 2: we were all going to be pulled into this at
Speaker 2: a certain point because it's just more interesting. I'm going
Speaker 2: to quote from one of MIA's favorite books, the CCRU
Speaker 2: quote God.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Conspiracy fictions are spun out of an all encompassing narrative
Speaker 2: that can't possibly be falsified, because they want you to
Speaker 2: believe in their non existence. To attempt to refute such
Speaker 2: narratives is to be drawn into a tedious double game.
Speaker 2: One either has to embrace an arbitrary and outrageous cosmic
Speaker 2: plot in which everything is being run by Jews, Masons,
Speaker 2: the Illuminati, the CIA, Microsoft, or Satan, or alternatively advocate
Speaker 2: submission to the most mundane construction of quotidian reality, dismissing
Speaker 2: the hyperstitional chaos that operates behind the screens. This is
Speaker 2: why atheism is usually so boring. Both conspiracy and common
Speaker 2: sense the normal reality script depend on the dialectical side
Speaker 2: of the double game, on reflective twins belief and unbelief,
Speaker 2: but disbelief is merely the negative complement of belief. Unquote,
Speaker 2: belief is so much stronger because disbelief is so much
Speaker 2: more boring. It only exists in comparison to belief in something.
Speaker 2: I think this is why everyone has this urge to
Speaker 2: get more conspiratorial. And like American specifically, our whole country
Speaker 2: is based on conspiracy theory, like the Masons are such
Speaker 2: a core part of our national identity.
Speaker 3: I fucking went down that tunnle. I went down the
Speaker 3: like if you asked me to start talking about politics
Speaker 3: in late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties Italy, I could
Speaker 3: start talking about how Italy was run by a rogue
Speaker 3: Masonic lodge. So that actually is true. If you google
Speaker 3: propaganda due you will you will find out this was
Speaker 3: actually This was on the front page of the New
Speaker 3: York Times. It was to be fair to the basis,
Speaker 3: this was a rogue Masonic lodge. They had been expelled
Speaker 3: from the Masons for being assholes.
Speaker 4: But this is true.
Speaker 3: All conspiracies are true, but only about nineteen seventies Italy.
Speaker 3: But it's more interesting, right, like it it's so much
Speaker 3: more interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is more interesting, and it makes it really
Speaker 2: hard to disprove conspiracy theories. When the act of disproving.
Speaker 2: It makes it feel like you're submitting to some all
Speaker 2: controlling authority, and people people feel like they're losing, like
Speaker 2: they're they And that idea of submission is why people
Speaker 2: get so pulled into conspiracy theories because they think that
Speaker 2: believing in conspiracy theories is itself almost a form of
Speaker 2: resistance against you know, quote unquote them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is which which is very funny because the
Speaker 3: actual operation of conspiracy is precisely the other way around.
Speaker 3: Like conspiracies had been encouraged by the government, by governments
Speaker 3: for ever, Like the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
Speaker 3: were like an op by the fucking czars, like like
Speaker 3: this is this, like this this, this is this was
Speaker 3: this was literally a Russian police operation, right, But all
Speaker 3: of these people now believe that they're like, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: like the anti systemic person because I fell for this
Speaker 3: like anti Semitic police operation. But it's yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: really powerful force.
Speaker 2: The US government has intentionally stoked UFO conspiracy theories for
Speaker 2: eighty years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it covers up the thing. You know, if
Speaker 3: you want to go conspiratory about it, is because it
Speaker 3: covers up the thing they're actually doing, which is like
Speaker 3: mundane but horrifying weapons testing shit.
Speaker 2: Like Now, the CCRU proposes that quote unquote, unbelief might
Speaker 2: be the way out of this cycle by building a
Speaker 2: plane of potentiality where the annihilation of judgment converges with
Speaker 2: real cosmic indeterminacy. I myself try to embrace an unbelief
Speaker 2: viewpoint for a lot of things, but I think that
Speaker 2: only gets you so far, and might also encourage some
Speaker 2: of these same problems in a larger scale. Because America
Speaker 2: has now gotten to the point of unbelief, especially in
Speaker 2: regards to QAnon, We've outgrown the need for QAnon because
Speaker 2: everything is QAnon Now. Politics are about determining who is
Speaker 2: and isn't a pedophile. Immigrants are trafficking children. Donald Trump
Speaker 2: is on the Epstein List, which both doesn't exist and
Speaker 2: was invented by Democrats. Historical events are staged. Every election
Speaker 2: was now stolen by the side who won. DHS is
Speaker 2: posting coded messages on the Internet. The FBI and police
Speaker 2: are faking crime statistics. Everything Trump does is a distraction
Speaker 2: from whatever the previous thing Trump did, which itself was
Speaker 2: a distraction from whatever the previous thing Trump did. So
Speaker 2: on and so forth. This is just what American politics
Speaker 2: are now. And while Trump's numerous connections to Epstein are
Speaker 2: long documented and he appears in Epstein FBI investigation files,
Speaker 2: discussions around it can feel very the storm is coming.
Speaker 2: The pedu elite are always just about to be arrested
Speaker 2: and removed from office. I like to see old Donnie J.
Speaker 2: Wiggle's way out of this jam. The logic of QAnon
Speaker 2: has perforated almost every aspect of American politics. On Blue Sky,
Speaker 2: there is this conspiratorial mantra gaining traction among liberals. But
Speaker 2: he wasn't shot, he didn't win. He's on the list.
Speaker 3: Don't like that.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's what they believe. Do you know what
Speaker 2: isn't a conspiracy theory? Maya that advertisement is designed to
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Speaker 2: to these ads. All right, we're back. As QAnon itself
Speaker 2: became a uber conspiracy theory overtime liking together a large
Speaker 2: collection of historical and contemporary conspiracy theories into one overarching story.
Speaker 2: Bluin On does not just refer to a single conspiracy theory,
Speaker 2: but rather as a label that can be applied to
Speaker 2: a general assortment of theories or conspiratorial thinking held by
Speaker 2: contemporary liberals and Democratic voters. I myself used a version
Speaker 2: of this term all the way back in January of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one for a since removed YouTube video due
Speaker 2: to threats of violence, in which I used the word
Speaker 2: blue QAnon to describe Portland liberals who believed that Russia
Speaker 2: was staging Antifa protests to make liberals look bad after
Speaker 2: Biden's election victory, and some of the banners used in
Speaker 2: this video apparently had threats to the president of the
Speaker 2: United States, so YouTube took down the video. Unfortunately, even
Speaker 2: though the video was just outlining liberal conspiracy theories about
Speaker 2: this protest, thinking that you know, Russia probably made this banner, the.
Speaker 3: Censorship regime continues apace.
Speaker 2: Around this time twenty twenty one, the term blew and
Speaker 2: on was mostly used to refer to Trump Russia conspiracy theories,
Speaker 2: but there were a whole bunch of other liberal conspiracy
Speaker 2: theories in this era, like how palettes of bricks were
Speaker 2: being mysteriously dropped off at protests, and though I will
Speaker 2: say this conspiracy theory was used by both people on
Speaker 2: the right as well as some centrist liberals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think this is actually you know, you
Speaker 3: were talking about how there is this like QAnon, like
Speaker 3: this sort of moment of break with consensus reality, And
Speaker 3: I think the twenty twenty uprising was one of the
Speaker 3: most the single most important events in this entire process massively. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: because the twenty twenty uprising was a systemic challenge to
Speaker 3: both the liberal and the Republican establishment right because if
Speaker 3: its central premise is true that the United States is
Speaker 3: a structurally racist state, right, that is, is based on
Speaker 3: the oppression of black people, then you can't continue to
Speaker 3: maintain the state. And also simultaneously, the thing that was
Speaker 3: incredibly threatening was that people were actually willing to go
Speaker 3: out and fight the police over this. And on the right,
Speaker 3: this obviously causes massive reality fraction because they have to
Speaker 3: grapple with the fact that like most of the country
Speaker 3: was fine with burning a police stationed down or were
Speaker 3: they right? Yeah, this is like oh no, there was
Speaker 3: this was this was act. This whole thing was actually
Speaker 3: like a plan by like Antifa democrats and like Pritzker's billionaire,
Speaker 3: like the Jewish billionaire soorro Jewish billionaires.
Speaker 2: It was actually the Boogaloo Boys who planned the whole
Speaker 2: thing and burned down the Third Precinct.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is this is a very very common
Speaker 3: This became the liberal main line on the birding of
Speaker 3: the Third Precinct was that it was a false flag
Speaker 3: by like the Boogloo Boy People don't remember the Boogloo.
Speaker 2: Bar right, Boogaloo Boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like they were like this very very
Speaker 3: weird race war fashion trying to encourage a new civil
Speaker 3: yes a word weird fascist group, but like that became
Speaker 3: the liberal main line because they had to find a
Speaker 3: way to explain the fact that the people who were
Speaker 3: you know, like a lot of people who are normally
Speaker 3: supposed to be their base decided instead of doing their
Speaker 3: sort of just like vote for the president and like
Speaker 3: vote for the Democratic president and like non violently and
Speaker 3: passively do nothing, people went and fought the police from
Speaker 3: of a year and this caused this massive fracturing where
Speaker 3: people had to believe it instead of there just being
Speaker 3: construction sites and people taking bricks from construction sites, as
Speaker 3: people have been doing for literally since the first brick
Speaker 3: was made, people have been taking them and throwing them
Speaker 3: at enemy authorities, right.
Speaker 2: Like stone Wall was a false flag.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, because the actual power of that uprising was
Speaker 3: so dangerous to the fundamental liberal conceptions of reality in
Speaker 3: the world, and that like the marginalized and oppressed people
Speaker 3: who who they sort of planned to represent, would take
Speaker 3: it into their own hands. The idea that yeah, the
Speaker 3: state is structurally racist and so it has to be resisted.
Speaker 3: That caused people to just have to create these like
Speaker 3: just pure reality tunnels of like, oh no, actually, any
Speaker 3: attempt to fight the police is a false flag that
Speaker 3: the police want to do. Or the burning of the
Speaker 3: Third Precinct was actually like the fascist attempting to provoke people,
Speaker 3: and that the state actually wants you to fight it
Speaker 3: because if you fight the state, then the state wins.
Speaker 3: And like this is one of the earth reality tunnels
Speaker 3: that creates the sort of conspiratorial mindset. We're like the
Speaker 3: Boglue boys at the Third Preacing. That's not just a
Speaker 3: thing from like you know, online posters. That became the
Speaker 3: main line of the Democratic Party because they also had
Speaker 3: to contain the uprising and from there and once once
Speaker 3: that's the accepted narrative of like the Democrats. Then this
Speaker 3: peer reality tunnel conspiracy shit is now just baked in
Speaker 3: to the very core of liberalism as it attempts to
Speaker 3: recuperate and defeat the energies that were unleashed by twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: And that's how we're here, that's a large part of it.
Speaker 2: Flash Forwarding a few years during the first half of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, especially in and around Biden's disastrous debate performance,
Speaker 2: the blue and on term begun being used to refer
Speaker 2: to a collection of theories that a secret cabal of
Speaker 2: deep state elites, the news media, high ranking Democrats, and
Speaker 2: Republicans were targeting Biden to sabotage his presidency to make
Speaker 2: him lose the election.
Speaker 3: There's no such thing as getting old. There is simply
Speaker 3: being sabotaged by q cards and camera lighting positions.
Speaker 2: Now, the bluenon term here is sort of a misnomer
Speaker 2: because like at this point, like Russia Gate and QAnon
Speaker 2: had very little in common. Like one viewed Trump as
Speaker 2: the Messiah, the other viewed him as basically, you know,
Speaker 2: an anti christ slash Russian asset. In the wake of
Speaker 2: the Trump assassination, Philip Bump penned a Washington Post article
Speaker 2: declaring quote QAnon and blue and on rhyme. The similarities
Speaker 2: end there, and I have sympathies for this viewpoint, especially
Speaker 2: in the wake of like January sixth, Right, Blunon doesn't
Speaker 2: have satanic wayfair child trafficking, Yeah, but maybe it doesn't
Speaker 2: need to. No, In conspiracy theories, it's not just about
Speaker 2: the substance of the beliefs held, but the function and
Speaker 2: methodology of the beliefs. In the past year, Blunon's function
Speaker 2: and methodology have started to parallel q Andon's more and more,
Speaker 2: which leads us to the event that really opened up
Speaker 2: operating space for the mainstreaming of the liberal conspiracy theories,
Speaker 2: the attempted assassination of one Donald Trump. Americans are particularly
Speaker 2: susceptible to assassination conspiracy theories. It has kind of been
Speaker 2: woven into our national identity now. Of course, Republicans, including
Speaker 2: elected representatives, developed their own fair share of theories about
Speaker 2: the attempted assassination of Donald Trump. But that's another episode.
Speaker 2: Here's a viral Facebook video, Remember Facebook, No.
Speaker 4: It's not that bad.
Speaker 5: Take a look at what happened.
Speaker 6: Fake a shit man stage, fake a shit bo ain't
Speaker 6: no bullets plying in that. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: wan thing about a shootout. Soon a shootout, you will
Speaker 6: see bullets, class stuff getting piled though Oh I ain't
Speaker 6: never going on, never getting hit, nothing getting piled though
Speaker 6: he definitely ain't get hit. He faked it all. The
Speaker 6: whole dang is fake stage when grid bro just I
Speaker 6: didn't play, y'all, They gonna make y'all vote on now
Speaker 6: if the dump you feel me? Oh, y'all, oh he oh,
Speaker 6: he been shot in they'll all going on to vote
Speaker 6: on y'all.
Speaker 3: Some fucking clowns.
Speaker 5: Buh.
Speaker 2: The word staged spiked in use by almost four thousand
Speaker 2: percent on Twitter, according to the misinformation tracker NewsGuard, appearing
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand times the day of and after the shooting.
Speaker 2: The term inside job also rose on social media, up
Speaker 2: by over three thousand percent, with bots and inauthentic accounts
Speaker 2: adding to this. Chaos and Israeli disinfo tech firm Cybra
Speaker 2: found that forty five percent of accounts using hashtags like
Speaker 2: fake assassination and staged shooting were inauthentic. Within a day,
Speaker 2: a post on x questioning the authenticity of the event
Speaker 2: a gained over fifty thousand likes. Quote, great camera angle,
Speaker 2: great quality. No Secret Service agent in front of his
Speaker 2: head covering the wound, conveniently placed US flag unquote. Another
Speaker 2: got nearly fifty thousand likes, asking users to quote, raise
Speaker 2: your hand and repost if you think this was staged.
Speaker 2: There was a flood of posts, earning thousands of likes
Speaker 2: and millions of alleged views, which questioned why Trump was
Speaker 2: able to or allowed to stand above the crowd after
Speaker 2: being shot, yelling fight, fight, fight, risking getting shot again.
Speaker 2: And while it could have been possible that there was
Speaker 2: a second shooter, Trump was only able to stand back
Speaker 2: up after it was confirmed that Crooks was killed. You
Speaker 2: can hear it in the video Shoot her Down, Shoot
Speaker 2: Her Down. Secret Service was already aware of Crook's position
Speaker 2: prior to the shooting and had not located any other
Speaker 2: possible shooters. But reality does not matter here. I'm going
Speaker 2: to play a short clip from a YouTube video which
Speaker 2: was uploaded just a month ago with over eighty five
Speaker 2: thousand views, explaining why someone feels it really easy to
Speaker 2: believe in this conspiracy.
Speaker 7: Now, ladies and gentlemen, I normally don't go down conspiracy holes.
Speaker 7: I don't, but we know MAGA does. MAGA has gone
Speaker 7: down so many conspiracy holes and brought it to science
Speaker 7: that We've got people not giving their kids vaccine. We've
Speaker 7: seen measles rising in Texas. We had people not wanting
Speaker 7: to get into COVID. We had quarterbacks telling people to
Speaker 7: take ivermectin. We had people saying take fucking horse traink
Speaker 7: orizers to get rid of COVID. And so now I
Speaker 7: think I've earned opportunity to go down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 7: This video was someone who was right there at the
Speaker 7: Trump rally, and there can tending that this whole thing
Speaker 7: is made up, which a lot of us felt like
Speaker 7: it was anyway, because we do know that Trump he's
Speaker 7: not afraid to fool around and shall we say reality
Speaker 7: or entertainment TV. We know he's not afraid to do that.
Speaker 7: And I'll show you an example of that in a minute.
Speaker 2: What example do you think he's going to show a
Speaker 2: WWE thing? It is a WWE thing.
Speaker 3: I remember there was so much WWE like tying shit
Speaker 3: with this.
Speaker 2: Well we'll get to that in this sect. But I
Speaker 2: find this explanation of why this person feels almost allowed
Speaker 2: to believe the conspiracy theory is now super interesting. It
Speaker 2: is specifically because the right has been so willing to
Speaker 2: embrace conspiracism that now it feels like it's fair game
Speaker 2: for liberals to do it as well. And this guy
Speaker 2: is just almost almost acknowledging this fact. He's kind of
Speaker 2: like working his way to by an entire thesis here
Speaker 2: with maybe without realizing it.
Speaker 3: This guy sponsored by an AI company, just just to
Speaker 3: make this absolutely perfect. Great stuff, great stuff happening in
Speaker 3: this in the sphere of our political discourse. We love
Speaker 3: to see it.
Speaker 2: But yes, based on the blood severed across Trump's face
Speaker 2: after he went on the ground, people postulated that Trump
Speaker 2: was hiding a razor blade in his sleeve w w
Speaker 2: E style to purposefully cut his face to make it
Speaker 2: look like he was shot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Donald Trump bladed himself. What are we doing here?
Speaker 7: So should we believe that faking getting shot is beyond them?
Speaker 7: Why would we believe that when this is still Trump
Speaker 7: that once was trained by the ww whatn't those some
Speaker 7: convincing ass right hands he just gave vincement Man, No, those.
Speaker 8: Were the least convincing right hands I've ever seen, and
Speaker 8: I have throw a button not for me.
Speaker 2: You know what, I think We've saw this whole assassination
Speaker 2: thing right here. I'm like, this stuff doesn't even warrant debunking.
Speaker 2: Debunking is useless, right Yeah. All of these conspiracy theories
Speaker 2: rest on the fact that rally attendees were hospitalized with
Speaker 2: gunshot wounds and two people died as a sacrifice to
Speaker 2: sell this event, and that the Biden era Secret Service
Speaker 2: helped facilitate this whole operation. I watched YouTube videos explaining
Speaker 2: that even if bullets were fired and people at the
Speaker 2: rally were hitt and killed, though just not Trump, the
Speaker 2: actual footage of the shooting is actually ai because the
Speaker 2: number of targets hit don't match the number of shots
Speaker 2: heard in the video, and people in the crowd suddenly
Speaker 2: disappear once shots are fired, as in people get down
Speaker 2: low on the ground to avoid getting hit. As for
Speaker 2: the number of shots hit versus shots fired, these videos
Speaker 2: seem to not realize that bullets travel through t objects,
Speaker 2: like say Donald Trump's.
Speaker 3: Ear being the point of a bullet.
Speaker 2: Also, this was actually Trump loyalist police firing into the
Speaker 2: crowd as a part of this stage operation, not not
Speaker 2: Thomas Crooks. After the shooting, a political advisor to Democratic
Speaker 2: donor and LinkedIn founder Reid Hoffman named Dimitri Melhorn sent
Speaker 2: an email proposing that the shooting may have been quote
Speaker 2: encouraged and maybe even staged so Trump could get the
Speaker 2: photos and benefit from the backlash unquote. The next day,
Speaker 2: Melhorn regretted and apologized for sending the email, and think
Speaker 2: about it. While one person was lined up perfectly to
Speaker 2: get the now historic photo, think of how many other
Speaker 2: professional photographers at the rally weren't so lucky. There's not
Speaker 2: just one photographer at the event, there's lots, and yeah,
Speaker 2: one person got a really compelling shot.
Speaker 8: It's a campaign event. There's paid photographers there. This is
Speaker 8: what I get paid event is Oh my god.
Speaker 3: There was a flag that was stayed because it was
Speaker 3: a campaign event.
Speaker 4: Going insane.
Speaker 2: According to a pull from Morning Consult, roughly one in
Speaker 2: five voters said that they found it credible that the
Speaker 2: shooting was staged and not intended to kill Trump, including
Speaker 2: one third of at the time Biden's supporters, thirty three
Speaker 2: percent of Biden supporters, and twelve percent of those who
Speaker 2: back Trump, which is really funny to me.
Speaker 3: That's actually really funny.
Speaker 4: It was an inside job. Good job, guys, good job.
Speaker 2: The mega Trump assassination. Truthers of the majority of voters,
Speaker 2: though sixty two percent, said that the unsubstantiated notion is
Speaker 2: not credible. A statement I've seen from both the conspiratorial
Speaker 2: left and the right is that we know all about
Speaker 2: say Luigi Mangioni or this latest school shooter, but still
Speaker 2: know nothing about the Trump assassination. And this just isn't true.
Speaker 2: We actually know a lot about Thomas Crooks. Now, just
Speaker 2: because you haven't read about it doesn't mean that we
Speaker 2: don't know. I'll link to a recent New York Times
Speaker 2: article looking into his online footprint. We know a lot
Speaker 2: about this guy, yep. But based on the conception that
Speaker 2: this failed assassination attempt would in the end helped Trump
Speaker 2: get elected, some people chose to just reject the event entirely.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was surreal, a warped manifestation of millions
Speaker 2: of people's dream And when things happen that challenge expectations
Speaker 2: or are just plain weird, some people reject that reality
Speaker 2: and substitute to their own alternate realities, which make more
Speaker 2: sense to them. If a near miss event like this
Speaker 2: would help Trump, then it must be Trump's doing. Do
Speaker 2: you know what Trump has no control over?
Speaker 3: It's so not true that he doesn't have control of
Speaker 3: these products and services. We have good report I got
Speaker 3: is his Increasingly.
Speaker 2: The tariffs aren't real, be a. I won't believe the
Speaker 2: tariffs until I see them with my own two eyes.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm going to walk you to the port
Speaker 3: of LA. Are gonna go look at the tariffs together?
Speaker 3: Why inside?
Speaker 2: So here's the ads. All right, we're back. You can't
Speaker 2: talk about liberal conspiracy theories without the most blatant example
Speaker 2: of some libs taking a page right out of the megaplaybook.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty four election denial God another instance of Trump
Speaker 2: and QAnon trailblazing something that used to be on the
Speaker 2: political fringe and normalizing it as acceptable political discourse. Early on,
Speaker 2: after Trump was declared the projected winner, liberals questioned why
Speaker 2: there were seemingly twenty million missing Democratic votes from the
Speaker 2: expected twenty twenty four totals, pointing to the higher numbers
Speaker 2: than twenty twenty forgetting that vote totals were still being
Speaker 2: counted and in the end, there were only three million
Speaker 2: fewer votes this election, which is extremely reasonable for an election.
Speaker 2: According to NewsGuard by Wednesday morning after the election, Trump
Speaker 2: cheated was trending on Twitter with nearly one hundred thousand
Speaker 2: mentions since midnight. I'll read a few of these viral
Speaker 2: tweets quote, I hold a master's degree in political science.
Speaker 2: I don't yet understand these results, and I don't pretend to.
Speaker 2: I'm not into conspiracy, but I'd like to know. Did
Speaker 2: millions across Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan really split their vote? Did
Speaker 2: millions of Democratic voters really stay home? And the answer
Speaker 2: is yes, yes they did.
Speaker 4: That is what happened. You figured it out.
Speaker 2: People did split their vote, and yeah, lots of people
Speaker 2: were not compelled to vote for Harris and stayed home. Congratulations,
Speaker 2: you stumbled across the reality.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Another person remarked, quote, I hold a master's again. I
Speaker 2: love all these people prefacing this by saying that they
Speaker 2: have degrees.
Speaker 3: And I want to say two things about the degree thing.
Speaker 3: One eighty percent of the time when someone starts doing
Speaker 3: what are these things, you can go back and find
Speaker 3: different degrees they pretended have. Two. I have been around
Speaker 3: people who get master's degrees in political science. We are
Speaker 3: not talking about the cream of the intellectual crop here like,
Speaker 3: this is a discipline that is like economics for people
Speaker 3: who like or even worse at the chain rule than economists.
Speaker 3: Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 4: Quote?
Speaker 2: I hold a master's and political science with a minor
Speaker 2: in statistics, and I can't make sense of this. Human
Speaker 2: nature had to completely upend itself for this to happen.
Speaker 2: Swing states voting straight blue down the ballot except for
Speaker 2: the top. Nah, that's not what people do, and yet
Speaker 2: it is what happened.
Speaker 4: Average political science. This is hinged for them, so very quickly.
Speaker 2: Liberals demanded recounts and court challenges, begging that Kamala Harris
Speaker 2: take this to court, with misinformation spreading that she was
Speaker 2: planning said court challenges. Others alleged that Elon Musk hacked
Speaker 2: voting machines. According to a report from the University of Washington,
Speaker 2: over a five day period, there were hundreds of thousands
Speaker 2: of tweets and retweets about how Elon Musk, working with
Speaker 2: Trump and sometimes with Putin, used Starlink satellites to steal
Speaker 2: the election, perhaps by intercepting then changing vote totals through
Speaker 2: the Internet. Despite most voting machines not being connected to
Speaker 2: the Internet.
Speaker 3: No, and the actual thing that he did was like
Speaker 3: going to places and saying, I'll give you a million
Speaker 3: dollars if you vote for this election, one of you
Speaker 3: will win. Like that's like the actual thing that he did,
Speaker 3: which is so blatantly obvious.
Speaker 2: And like basic, like ground game targeting and swing states, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they mobilized a shit ton of money. Quote I'm hearing
Speaker 2: today that Elon's software Starship is the software that handled
Speaker 2: all the swing state ballots. If indeed this is true,
Speaker 2: this is clearly a conflict of interest and another reason
Speaker 2: why swing states need investigations. Well, good news, this isn't
Speaker 2: indeed true.
Speaker 4: You made this up.
Speaker 2: This is fake.
Speaker 4: It's not just Twitter though.
Speaker 2: On Meta's Twitter alternative threads, there was a hotbed of
Speaker 2: election denile, with posts like this spreading on the platform
Speaker 2: and beyond to places like Reddit. Quote Trump cheats at
Speaker 2: everything in life. Putin interfered in the past three elections.
Speaker 2: Musk and Trump talked to Putin a lot. Musk's Starlink
Speaker 2: uploaded votes in swing states. Swing state voters went DEM
Speaker 2: down ballot, but Trump at the top. Unlikely Starlink satellites explode,
Speaker 2: destroying evidence quote. This is referencing a conspiracy theory from
Speaker 2: the time that based on an event on November tenth
Speaker 2: where a Starlink satellite re entered orbit and blew up,
Speaker 2: as Elon Musk's technology is known to do. This was
Speaker 2: itself proof that he was blowing up his satellites on
Speaker 2: purpose to conceal evidence that Starlink was used to alter
Speaker 2: election results. SpaceX regularly retires satellites which then slowly fall
Speaker 2: to Earth and blow up.
Speaker 4: This is ordinary practice.
Speaker 2: This particular satellite, which exploded on November tenth was decommissioned
Speaker 2: back in August. This has nothing to do with the election. Still,
Speaker 2: there were viral tweets calling for a quote unquote forensic
Speaker 2: investigation and accounts like your n on News, an account
Speaker 2: pretending to be affiliated with the hacker group Anonymous, which
Speaker 2: is a real vector point of left wing conspiratorial thinking.
Speaker 3: I'm going to put a note here, Butz says that
Speaker 3: the history of relationship if your n on News is
Speaker 3: very compl this is not. This is not a definitive
Speaker 3: statement on it. Please don't get mad at us. It's
Speaker 3: a it's a fucking mess. It's a fucking mess. That's
Speaker 3: that's what I'm gonna say about it, that guy sucks shit.
Speaker 2: They've been spreading a lot of election misinformation news, especially
Speaker 2: in November.
Speaker 4: Quote.
Speaker 2: Some strange statements from Trump and Elon have fueled doubts
Speaker 2: about election integrity. You can just change one line of code,
Speaker 2: Elon stated about the code on electronic voting machines. I
Speaker 2: don't need more votes. I already have votes, Trump stated repeatedly,
Speaker 2: So why not take a look.
Speaker 3: Unquote.
Speaker 2: This alleged quote from Elon cannot be sourced at all.
Speaker 2: The full version of it is quote if you want
Speaker 2: to steal an election, all you have to do is
Speaker 2: change one line of code unquote. I have tried so
Speaker 2: hard to find the original source for this quote. I cannot.
Speaker 2: It is just liberals saying Elon said this. It may
Speaker 2: have been something said, I cannot find it. Even if
Speaker 2: it is something he said. There's not evidence that he
Speaker 2: stole the election, no at all.
Speaker 4: He does this like that.
Speaker 3: There's there's a whole conspiracy on the left that thinks
Speaker 3: that Elon Musk was behind the coup in Bolivia, which
Speaker 3: was like something I was accepted by Evo back when
Speaker 3: he was in the NIS. Like in Bolivia, because it
Speaker 3: was like politically convenient for everyone involved to believe that
Speaker 3: like Elon Musk did this coup in Bolivia over like
Speaker 3: lithium prices, when the actual reality was it was done
Speaker 3: by a bunch of Bolivia agrobarons. But people just believe
Speaker 3: this shit, and and and and Elon will just play
Speaker 3: into it, even like because I don't he probably didn't
Speaker 3: say that, but like even if he did, like he
Speaker 3: did say the ship that he did the coup in Bolivia,
Speaker 3: but like he didn't, he objectively didn't LOLXD like I
Speaker 3: I okay, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: get into the price history of of lithium here and
Speaker 3: how there was a fucking market glut at that point,
Speaker 3: which is the exact opposite thing you would want there
Speaker 3: to be if you're trying to steal lithius.
Speaker 4: Like it's nonsense.
Speaker 3: So people just leave this ship because it fits, it
Speaker 3: fits their version of reality. And the right is really
Speaker 3: happy to sort of play into this because they just
Speaker 3: play around with conspiracies.
Speaker 2: And this line from Trump is just breaking about having
Speaker 2: a lot of projected votes already, That's all it is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the day before Inauguration day, people alleged that Trump may
Speaker 2: have accidentally admitted to stealing the election in one of
Speaker 2: his speeches.
Speaker 3: Oh my fucking god, let's take a look.
Speaker 2: Trump just told them himself.
Speaker 9: He just credited Elon Musk's knowledge of how voting machines
Speaker 9: work for his victory in Pennsylvania. He said this during
Speaker 9: his victory rally in Washington, d C. The night before
Speaker 9: the alleged inauguration. Let's listen to the audio.
Speaker 3: And then he.
Speaker 5: Journeyed to Pennsylvania, where he spent like a month and
Speaker 5: a half campaigning for me in Pennsylvania. And he's a
Speaker 5: popular guy, and he was very effective, and he knows
Speaker 5: those computers better than anybody, all those computers, those vote
Speaker 5: counting computers, and we ended up Pennsylvania like in a landslide,
Speaker 5: so that it was pretty good.
Speaker 2: He was pretty good.
Speaker 7: So thank you to Elon.
Speaker 2: That is from a very popular TikToker. This particular video
Speaker 2: has twenty thousand likes. I can't even find how many
Speaker 2: views it has, but there's hundreds of comments talking about
Speaker 2: how the election was stolen. The same video was spread
Speaker 2: by people like a friend of the pod Brooklyn Dad Defiant.
Speaker 3: Oh literally, God fucking Okay, I need to spend five seconds.
Speaker 2: No, we don't have time.
Speaker 3: He's literally paid by a Democratic party. He used to
Speaker 3: be Yeah, he used to be literally paid a Democratic party.
Speaker 3: He was a fucking oil guy. Fuck god, damn it. Sorry, Okay,
Speaker 3: but he said quote. Is that a fucking confession?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Twenty three thousand likes? Oh?
Speaker 4: Which?
Speaker 2: Now this line from Trump gets referenced a lot in
Speaker 2: liberal stolen election theories. Trump is not saying he won
Speaker 2: because Elon knows the vote counting computers. Those two statements
Speaker 2: can be separate statements that are just right next to
Speaker 2: each other. More, it could be easily interpreted as saying
Speaker 2: that Elon Musk's computer knowledge helped prevent fraud, ensuring that
Speaker 2: if Dems tried to steal the election again, Elon would
Speaker 2: have caught them. As twenty twenty Republican election denile focused
Speaker 2: heavily on voting machines. In terms of numbers on how
Speaker 2: many Democrats don't think the election was legitimate, we do
Speaker 2: have some statistics. In twenty twenty, eighty eight percent of
Speaker 2: Democrats thought the election was legitimate and accurate. In twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four, it was only sixty three percent, with nine
Speaker 2: percent saying it was the result of illegal voting or
Speaker 2: election rigging, and twenty nine percent saying they don't know
Speaker 2: if it was legitimate or accurate. Of course, the Republicans
Speaker 2: found this election was extremely legitimate as compared to the
Speaker 2: last one, in which a majority of Republicans thought it
Speaker 2: was the result of illegal voting or election rigging. But
Speaker 2: still twenty nine percent of Democrats in twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: not knowing if the election is accurate pretty pretty damage,
Speaker 2: And obviously a lack of trust and election systems is
Speaker 2: an extremely damaging thing to the functioning of democracy. The
Speaker 2: reason why I decided to finally do this episode after
Speaker 2: pulling little research bits over the course of the past year,
Speaker 2: is a tweet from August twentieth quote two whistleblowers have
Speaker 2: now confirmed that the NSSA conducted an election audit and
Speaker 2: Harris was the winner. Don't fucking ignore this. One hundred
Speaker 2: and forty six thousand likes, almost thirty thousand retweets, five
Speaker 2: point five million quote unquote views. This went super viral,
Speaker 2: one of the biggest instances I've seen in recent election denial.
Speaker 2: This viral tweet links to a substack with over fifty
Speaker 2: one thousand subscribers and three million views. The focus of
Speaker 2: the blog is showing how Kamala Harris really won the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four election. The recent post cover how a
Speaker 2: former CIA operative has confirmed that, based on an NSA
Speaker 2: audit of the twenty twenty four election, Kamala actually won.
Speaker 2: This was a quote covert compartmentalized forensic audit unquote.
Speaker 4: It's literally just stop the steal. They did this same thing.
Speaker 2: It was completed in December twenty twenty four, and based
Speaker 2: on the findings, the NSSA and CIA recommended a hand recount,
Speaker 2: but the recount was unable to take place before the
Speaker 2: January sixth election certification, and since then the findings of
Speaker 2: the audit proving a KAMMLA victory have been covered up
Speaker 2: by Tulci, Gabbard and the Trump administration. This blog claims
Speaker 2: the election was stolen by hijacking voting machines and quote
Speaker 2: illegally copied software, decades of vulnerabilities, and the installation of
Speaker 2: a back door through a last minute change order right
Speaker 2: before the election unquote. Now there's a few problems with
Speaker 2: this theory, the first at which being that the NSSA
Speaker 2: does an audit election no.
Speaker 5: What.
Speaker 2: This substacker also operates a still growing TikTok account to
Speaker 2: prevent being suppressed from misinformation. The user talks in coded phrases,
Speaker 2: calling elections baking contests. State election results are either red
Speaker 2: cakes or blue cakes.
Speaker 3: Boats are ingredients.
Speaker 2: Christ In her most popular video with about seventy five
Speaker 2: thousand views, she claims that Trump isn't giving red swing
Speaker 2: states FEMA AID because he knows that these states actually
Speaker 2: voted for Kamala Harris and so Trump is punishing them
Speaker 2: by withholding aid. This is her second most popular video
Speaker 2: with fifty thousand views, talking about North Carolina and how
Speaker 2: Elon Musk and Peter Thiel worked together to alter election results.
Speaker 10: Hey y'all, quick update on the baking contest in North
Speaker 10: Kakilaki and the cake is in fact who We were
Speaker 10: able to identify about one hundred and ninety seven thousand
Speaker 10: ingredients that were swapped out by the space baker, So
Speaker 10: he and his friend whose name rhymes with seal have
Speaker 10: been up to some interesting things when it comes to
Speaker 10: these baking contests. So the surveillance Seal and the space
Speaker 10: Baker doing some doing some interesting baking. So we need
Speaker 10: you to let your media friends know and let all
Speaker 10: your let all the people know. We're going to do
Speaker 10: an email campaign next week, because that seems to be
Speaker 10: how we get this done. We do have avenues to
Speaker 10: undo this unholy mess, and just hold on to your hope.
Speaker 10: Run over to my friends at the ATE and of
Speaker 10: course the Common Coalition. Check out the report. We have
Speaker 10: more to report on all of the baking contests that
Speaker 10: we're working on. We're still digging. We got more to
Speaker 10: go and blue skies ahead, y'all.
Speaker 3: There's something specifically uniquely horrifying about the way that like
Speaker 3: just the sort of TikTok language of sewer side or
Speaker 3: whatever like that people say like that kind of shit.
Speaker 2: This stuff just makes me really sad. No, it's it's
Speaker 2: so like I can't have fun with this anymore.
Speaker 3: Oh God, damn it.
Speaker 2: The same thing when I was watching some of the
Speaker 2: trump asassination videos, when I realized this is just from
Speaker 2: people who are unwell, and I can't even have fun
Speaker 2: with this. And that is also the case with a
Speaker 2: lot of Q and on stuff. You should be really
Speaker 2: careful about how much joy you take in the suffering
Speaker 2: of people and people displaying their suffering on the Internet
Speaker 2: by engaging in this stuff. But yeah, this stuff's just
Speaker 2: really sad. Like in other videos, she's pleading with her
Speaker 2: followers to contact their state governors to convince them to
Speaker 2: change all the voting machines because they've been compromised. And
Speaker 2: I'll play one more video before we close the episode,
Speaker 2: I says over thirty two thousand views. She talks about
Speaker 2: Trump using tariffs as leverage to get countries to sign
Speaker 2: deals with Elon Musk's Starlink satellites, which will then be
Speaker 2: used to control elections worldwide. And the only way to
Speaker 2: stop this is to impeach Trump and put Kamala in
Speaker 2: the White House since she is the rightful winner of
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four election.
Speaker 10: They take from their constituents now to address the Space Cadet,
Speaker 10: And how look at what he launched last year in
Speaker 10: record time ten months, this low orbit DTC constellation. And
Speaker 10: look at what they're doing with the countries around the world.
Speaker 10: To get your tariffs removed, you have to sign a
Speaker 10: contract with the Space Cadet. Hello, this is not about
Speaker 10: any kind of like you know, internet in the rural areas,
Speaker 10: blah blah blah, nothing about this is to be nice. No,
Speaker 10: it is to control future contests. The US was not
Speaker 10: the endgame. It was the litmus test. So we can
Speaker 10: get out of this. We have constitutional avenues to get
Speaker 10: out of this situation, but we need Congress to act,
Speaker 10: and Congress won't act until the American people know what happened.
Speaker 10: And they're not going to know what happened until our
Speaker 10: influencers and our media handle the situation. So Rachel Mattow, please,
Speaker 10: Lawrence minus touched, for heaven's sake, minus touched. You guys,
Speaker 10: four million people, you could be blasting this out and
Speaker 10: letting the American people know what happened. Do your jobs, please,
Speaker 10: so we can get the rightful people in the House
Speaker 10: that they belong in, the big white one.
Speaker 3: I think one of the things that makes me so
Speaker 3: insane about these is that, like, if you're actually, I
Speaker 3: guess Garrison, you weren't around for this. But like I've
Speaker 3: legitimately have lived through two attempts to steal an election, right,
Speaker 3: Like there was two thousand, which the Republicans just stole
Speaker 3: and then yeah, Donald Trump did try to steal the
Speaker 3: election in twenty twenty, but he did it by having
Speaker 3: people try to form mobs outside of polling places and
Speaker 3: then like his supporters did January. That's a real thing.
Speaker 3: But the thing about these conspiracies is like they they
Speaker 3: devour reality. They they they consume it and strip it
Speaker 3: for its constituent parts. Which is why you see so many,
Speaker 3: like you know, used to see so many conspiracies that
Speaker 3: would you know if if you look at their giant
Speaker 3: conspiracy charts. They're talking about like the structure of the
Speaker 3: World Bank and the IMF, and like that's that's where
Speaker 3: the Builderberg group stuff comes out of, right, they love charts.
Speaker 3: The Builder group stuff is then taking the real structure
Speaker 3: of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank and
Speaker 3: then you know, devouring that structure and spinning back out conspiracy.
Speaker 3: And that that's what these things do. They take They
Speaker 3: take real things that happen in the world and just
Speaker 3: devour them and turn them into just nothing. And it
Speaker 3: makes it harder to act because like, yeah, we do
Speaker 3: live in a world where the Republican Party has like
Speaker 3: attempted to or successfully did fel to elections, but not
Speaker 3: this one.
Speaker 2: And if this is your mode of resistance of hashtag
Speaker 2: resistance against Trump, that's useless. It's completely useless. It's not
Speaker 2: actually managing any of the effects of Trump on people
Speaker 2: like ICE, like attacks on career people. It's this fully contained,
Speaker 2: non non form of fighting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like like you see you see this, you
Speaker 3: see this too on the left of CIA stuff, where
Speaker 3: it's like everyone is convinced that like the person they're
Speaker 3: arguing with on Twitter like is the CIA, and that
Speaker 3: the way that you combat CIA influences by like spreading
Speaker 3: I don't know, posting pro asage shit. And it's like
Speaker 3: that's not actually substantively combating the influence of the CIA.
Speaker 3: It just feels like it is, and that structure of
Speaker 3: feeling is so powerful that it prevents you from doing
Speaker 3: actual action.
Speaker 2: There has been this new conspiracy theory getting traction on
Speaker 2: Blue Sky a lot that the masked people engaged in
Speaker 2: Immigration enforcement ICE aren't actually ICE agents. They're secretly quote
Speaker 2: j sixers, bounty hunters or thugs, oathkeepers, proud boys. It's
Speaker 2: a big assumption to even say they're federal agents. They're
Speaker 2: not identified. We have no idea who they are. Could
Speaker 2: be proud boys or oath keepers or three percenters unquote.
Speaker 2: This is trying to push the blame away from the
Speaker 2: US government who is engaging in this action Ice onto
Speaker 2: these non state actors, which people in their mind think
Speaker 2: are easier targets. And it's just a completely misunderstanding of power,
Speaker 2: and it's a misunderstanding of their current political situation, and
Speaker 2: it gives you no no ability to actually stop the
Speaker 2: bad things ICE are doing. But I've seen this theory
Speaker 2: gain a lot of traction online.
Speaker 3: And in the same way that QAnon is a product
Speaker 3: of the cognitive dissonance of Trump supporters having to grapple
Speaker 3: the fact that the trumpet that their god king is
Speaker 3: in power and their lives still suck. This is this
Speaker 3: specific one is a product of the cognitive dissonance of
Speaker 3: like the fact that these people all supported ICE when
Speaker 3: Biden was the Biden was the run running it, when
Speaker 3: like Biden and fucking did his executive order to shut
Speaker 3: the border down, right, but Kumboombiden was like doing consration
Speaker 3: camps in the desert. They were all pro ICE. And
Speaker 3: then they suddenly have to deal with the world where
Speaker 3: ICE is doing an ethnic cleansing and they can't process that,
Speaker 3: And so the way that they attempt to cope with
Speaker 3: it is being like, well, that's actually not the real ice.
Speaker 3: That's like J six Proud Boys.
Speaker 2: It's a groper occupied government. They're sending out coded messages
Speaker 2: on Twitter. Yeah, it's the same thing me and you
Speaker 2: did the episode about a few weeks ago in our
Speaker 2: dog Whistle Politics and the Hunt for Coded Nazi Messaging episode.
Speaker 2: But yeah, And though some Democratic voters are engaging in
Speaker 2: election denial, I think one key difference from twenty twenty
Speaker 2: Republican election denial is that liberal election officials have as
Speaker 2: of yet not been willing to participate in this rhetoric
Speaker 2: openly or pursue these baseless fraud accusations. This is still
Speaker 2: one difference, But I think it's a ticking clock. I
Speaker 2: think it's only a matter of time, especially once we
Speaker 2: see the midterms, that people running for office debt Democrats
Speaker 2: might start embracing some kind of wing nutty stuff the
Speaker 2: same way Marjora Taylor Green, Trojan Horst wing nutty politics
Speaker 2: into Congress. And now we see a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: other representatives being able to engage in conspiratorial thought on
Speaker 2: the right. There's going to be a few instances of this.
Speaker 2: I think in the next mid term election for Democrats.
Speaker 2: It's something to keep an eye out for because I
Speaker 2: think it's only a matter of time. Like what I
Speaker 2: mentioned in that CCR you quote, mundane reality is going
Speaker 2: to lose because this stuff is just more interesting. People
Speaker 2: are going to try to buy it and it requires
Speaker 2: constant pushback That doesn't for part one. But there's going
Speaker 2: to be another episode tomorrow where I talk with Jack
Speaker 2: of the Alt watcher Blue Sky account to discuss the
Speaker 2: latest evolution of blue and on and possibly the most
Speaker 2: Q and on the extension of blue and On we've
Speaker 2: seen yet the Alt National Park Service and their coded
Speaker 2: messages being sent out on Blue Sky and Facebook. So
Speaker 2: stay tuned for that tomorrow, and remember you are not
Speaker 2: immune to propaganda.
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