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Speaker 1: we inched closer to Week sixteen and a rematcher the
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Speaker 1: Episode one of the Bears, Etcetera podcast. We're brought to
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Speaker 1: winning Bears guard. I'm Jeff Joniac. Coming up on the show.
Speaker 1: Lomas Brown, the outstanding left tackle in Lyon's history, one
Speaker 1: of them will join us. He is the radio analyst
Speaker 1: and a good friend of ours. Also a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame semi finalist this year, and we'll discuss how the
Speaker 1: Lions look with all their injuries. Tom As you look
Speaker 1: at the tape and we'll get into the Bears in
Speaker 1: a minute. But when you look at the tape. The
Speaker 1: thing that sticks out to me. Yeah, they got a
Speaker 1: lot of new defensive players and their defense has regressed some,
Speaker 1: but it's still a dangerous team. When you got an
Speaker 1: offense that could put up so many points at any
Speaker 1: given time.
Speaker 4: Well, you know.
Speaker 3: They have new pieces in place, but it's still the
Speaker 3: same game. And it's a defense that's led by Aaron
Speaker 3: Glenn and how he evaluates coverage against his opponents, and
Speaker 3: how he wants to see the rush up front. What
Speaker 3: type of atmosphere is he playing in. Who does that
Speaker 3: give the advantage to There's a lot that goes into it.
Speaker 3: It's almost like the Bears first game against the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 4: It's the tale of two halves.
Speaker 3: One that was a slow starter and one that was
Speaker 3: super aggressive. So the Bears somehow have to figure out
Speaker 3: a way to take that aggressiveness that they learned of
Speaker 3: in the second half and use it in the entirety
Speaker 3: of this game that's going to be played at Soldier Field.
Speaker 3: And to me, I'm not going to have a woe's
Speaker 3: me approach to this game. I'm going to take the
Speaker 3: approach to the game that we should beat the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 3: This is our home. This is our atmosphere. The conditions
Speaker 3: are in our favor. So now let's go out there
Speaker 3: and have a positive, positive attitude that starts in the
Speaker 3: locker room and bring it to the field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing in your favor is this is only
Speaker 1: their second outdoor game. Now, I may not bother them.
Speaker 1: They did do a nice job up in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: But as a as a former player who when he
Speaker 1: went to indoor games, there weren't weren't many I'm sure
Speaker 1: in your career, But did it make a difference for
Speaker 1: a visiting team to play indoors versus outdoors?
Speaker 3: It did, especially if you had a super supportive crowd,
Speaker 3: because when that time, at that era that when we
Speaker 3: played in Minnesota, the crowd was still on behalf of
Speaker 3: the Minnesota Vikings. You know, it wasn't like StubHub and
Speaker 3: everything was in existence back then where you could sell
Speaker 3: your tickets to the opponents of the fans. When we
Speaker 3: went to play in Detroit when the Bears had the
Speaker 3: upper hand, it was more of a Bear supportive crowd
Speaker 3: than it was a crowd on the behalf of the
Speaker 3: Detroit Lions. So, you know, it's a different atmosphere depending
Speaker 3: upon where you played in the majority of the stadiums,
Speaker 3: as you mentioned, when I played were outdoors and you
Speaker 3: could come across that crowd noise always in Green Bay
Speaker 3: and stuff that was always difficult to play in. But
Speaker 3: you know, I want the Bears players to come out
Speaker 3: of the locker room and earn the respect of the
Speaker 3: Bears fans, so they show their appreciation by the cheering
Speaker 3: and the noise. That could really benefit the Bears, especially
Speaker 3: on defense.
Speaker 1: Play loose, play with reckless, evandon, play with fire, play.
Speaker 3: Hard, play aggressive, play with your head up, and play
Speaker 3: with meaning. And just like all the adjectives that we
Speaker 3: just used to describe what we want to see out
Speaker 3: of the Bears, that's exactly how I feel about it.
Speaker 3: Noon Sunday, and I mean, I'm going to go out
Speaker 3: on a limbit. I'm gonna say I think the Bears
Speaker 3: can win this game. I think they will win the game.
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Speaker 1: your why?
Speaker 3: You know because I talk about a lot of the
Speaker 3: different pieces in place for the Detroit Lions, even though
Speaker 3: they're going to play the same style of game. But
Speaker 3: now you have to see if these guys are they're
Speaker 3: going to have a lot more reps put upon them.
Speaker 3: Are they first ball, are in they in condition? Do
Speaker 3: they have the desire and the fight in them to
Speaker 3: play sixty snaps instead of twenty five snaps? Do they
Speaker 3: have the production out of the positions that is so
Speaker 3: important to their offense? For example, they run a lot
Speaker 3: of play action passing. Are you going to get the
Speaker 3: same deception out of whomever's playing behind Jamar Gibbs that
Speaker 3: you would out of Gibbs and Montgomery? When you look
Speaker 3: at the defensive line, they've already lost Hutchinson, Now they
Speaker 3: lost McNeil, who is one of their best defensive players.
Speaker 3: Now is that player that's going to be put in
Speaker 3: that place? Is he up to the physical demands of
Speaker 3: the game, especially in an outdoor, cold atmosphere. And again,
Speaker 3: I think the Bears, if they can come forth and
Speaker 3: put together the effort out of the defensive line that
Speaker 3: supports the back end of the defense. Get after be
Speaker 3: better athletes at the defensive line than Jared goff Is
Speaker 3: dropping back as a quarterback on the natural surface.
Speaker 1: Our Geico gives you more football stat of the week.
Speaker 1: Twenty two is the number. That's the stat. Twenty two
Speaker 1: players on injured reserve for the Detroit Lions. Few are
Speaker 1: even close in that ballpark. As a comparison, the Bears
Speaker 1: have nine, so it's a massive amount. Let me throw
Speaker 1: some names on defense. Alex Angeloni, Jalen Reeves, maybe an
Speaker 1: outstanding special teams player, Derek Barnes linebacker, John Kaminski in
Speaker 1: the rotation up front, Marcus Davenport edge rusher, Aiden Hutchinson
Speaker 1: of course, Ennis Rakestrawn Junior the rookie corner. If he
Speaker 1: got to Melafonu, he's getting his way back to win
Speaker 1: to return its safety Bud, he's not back yet. Carlton
Speaker 1: Davis the starting corner. They're starting return man, Nickel corner,
Speaker 1: Khalil Dorsey. He gets some action. Alee McNeil, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: mkay Wingo also up front. Wow, I have not seen
Speaker 1: a defense this decimated in a long time.
Speaker 3: You know, Jeff, if you take that group of guys
Speaker 3: and you put them on the field as a starting defense,
Speaker 3: you have one of the better defenses in.
Speaker 4: All the league.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So now you take them off of the Detroit Lions,
Speaker 3: and now they have to start investing abilities in their backups.
Speaker 3: And so I want to see the Bears come out
Speaker 3: there with a confident Thomas Brown call in the plays
Speaker 3: for Caleb Williams, Caleb taking the offensive assets he has
Speaker 3: at his disposal, and use them repeatedly, efficiently and effectively
Speaker 3: and get into the end zone.
Speaker 1: Well, the first thing is they still play hard and
Speaker 1: they are thinking championship. They are not thinking about anything
Speaker 1: other than trying to get to the Super Bowl, as
Speaker 1: they got close a year ago. Right now, they are
Speaker 1: the number one scoring defense in the second quarter, allowing
Speaker 1: just sixty points. So they're still doing well. They're ten
Speaker 1: play drives, They've given up the fewest points in the
Speaker 1: NFL fifty six, fewest touchdowns five. There's plenty good on
Speaker 1: third down they're fourth in the NFL and third down
Speaker 1: yards allowed. So you know, you gotta win situational football.
Speaker 1: All things that are necessary to try and complete this
Speaker 1: thing get a win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, a lot of those analytics, a lot
Speaker 3: of those stats, a lot of those numbers are associated
Speaker 3: to the first half, first three quarters of the season
Speaker 3: when the only in climate game that they played in
Speaker 3: was up in Lambeau.
Speaker 4: And I know they came out and they won the game.
Speaker 4: And the point, the preach point after.
Speaker 3: The game was Dan Campbell anytime, anywhere, any conditions. And
Speaker 3: so now when you look at the amount of guys
Speaker 3: that you have on injured reserve and where Caleb can
Speaker 3: go with this offense and the weapons he has, I
Speaker 3: think it's time for the Bears to break out and
Speaker 3: have one of those games that we've been expecting out
Speaker 3: of them all season long.
Speaker 1: All right, let's discuss further in voting the loss of
Speaker 1: David Montgomery from Alliance perspective. Here's our good friend. Let's
Speaker 1: go to left tackle, the veteran and radio analyst for
Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions radio network. Let's listening to Lomas Brown.
Speaker 1: He was a legendary figure in the NFL with the
Speaker 1: Detroit Lions at left tackle, the one and only Lomas
Speaker 1: Brown and Tom Tayer, and I enjoy the conversations. He's beaming.
Speaker 1: Tom that's what happens when you win twelve games.
Speaker 2: It is, it really is.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's been unbelievable, unbelievable for us, the city,
Speaker 5: just everything, and this winning streat unfortunately ended with Buffalo.
Speaker 5: But to be sitting here at twelve and two with
Speaker 5: three games left in the season, with a chance at
Speaker 5: the number one seed, you couldn't ask for anything more
Speaker 5: other than us being healthy. But you know, you just
Speaker 5: roll with the punches.
Speaker 3: Well almost. I got a question kind of on that accord.
Speaker 3: Does Detroit know how to win? And I don't mean
Speaker 3: just winning regular season games because now it's coming down
Speaker 3: to crunch time and then the ultimate is the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Do the Detroit Lions know how to win?
Speaker 5: That's a great question, Tom, great question I would say. Now,
Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, you talked to me last year.
Speaker 5: I think the experience we got last year, I really
Speaker 5: think it's gonna help this year and help push us
Speaker 5: through this year getting to the NFC Championship game. I
Speaker 5: think the way we lost that game to bed Up
Speaker 5: is by seventeen points in the first half and then
Speaker 5: losing a game like that.
Speaker 2: I think we learned a lot from that game.
Speaker 5: The number one thing we learned was that we got
Speaker 5: to have home field advantage. Everything needs to run through Detroit,
Speaker 5: so that meant getting the number one seed. So yes,
Speaker 5: I think if we get this number one seed and
Speaker 5: the games are here in Detroit all regardless on the road,
Speaker 5: I think this team has learned how to win those
Speaker 5: tight games and the in this opponents.
Speaker 2: That was our biggest thing, finishing opponents last night.
Speaker 3: Kind of a weird similarity in nineteen eighty four of
Speaker 3: the Bears get beat in the NFC Championship game out
Speaker 3: in San Francisco. They have a big talk on the
Speaker 3: flight home. They realize the importance of winning to get
Speaker 3: the home field advantage, and then eighty five took care
Speaker 3: of itself. So, you know, back in our memory banks
Speaker 3: because they go back so long in the NFL, I
Speaker 3: think about Detroit as it pertains to learning how to win,
Speaker 3: and it seems like, you know, you got guys like
Speaker 3: Jared Goff and Campbell. They're no bigger personality than Campbell.
Speaker 3: They have some great leadership on this team.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know with the I think what gets
Speaker 5: lost in the midst to Tom is the assistant coaches.
Speaker 2: I mean, think about it. We got all the X
Speaker 2: Pro players that we have as an assistant coaches.
Speaker 5: When we talk about Randall, Al talk about Hank Freiley,
Speaker 5: Calvin Shephard, Scottie Montgomery, you know Dan Campbell himself.
Speaker 2: And I know I'm forgetting a couple. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's just unbelievable when you got those type
Speaker 5: of guys that you could come off the field if
Speaker 5: you're having a tough time and be able to talk
Speaker 5: to those guys who've been there, done That.
Speaker 1: Was that intentional by Dan when he put the staff together.
Speaker 5: You know, I think so, I really think so. I
Speaker 5: really really think so. And now I'm starting to see
Speaker 5: and that. You know, that's the first thing I do
Speaker 5: when I get an opponent's sheet, I look to see
Speaker 5: who's on the coaching staff. How many you know, X
Speaker 5: players do they have on their coaching staff because I
Speaker 5: know the value in that, I know what these guys
Speaker 5: could bring to the table. And yes, I do think
Speaker 5: Dan Campbell did that surround himself with good assistant coaches
Speaker 5: that used to play in this league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, uh, that's a great exercise to do.
Speaker 1: I occasionally do it. I don't do it every time,
Speaker 1: but I think players who are affect the past, and
Speaker 1: a guy who knows how to coach, because you can
Speaker 1: be an ex player and not know how to coach
Speaker 1: and just tell him what you think. But to teach
Speaker 1: him is the key, right, Yes, who is your offensive
Speaker 1: line coach? Most of year?
Speaker 5: Bill Muir brought me into the league. He drafted me
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty five. And you know, my last coach
Speaker 5: was Bill Muir. So he was on the front end
Speaker 5: of my career and he made sure he got me
Speaker 5: on the tail and in Tampa Bay when I was
Speaker 5: able to win the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: So he was a guy for me that And of
Speaker 2: course I had.
Speaker 5: Some great guys in between, George Warhop, Carl malt I
Speaker 5: had some great guys in between there too.
Speaker 1: Karl Market. Now that was that was that was an
Speaker 1: angry man work.
Speaker 2: That's a piece of work. That man used to tell us. Tom.
Speaker 2: It was so funny when a guy in the room
Speaker 2: and say you a.
Speaker 5: Guy, borderline guy that maybe couldn't cut he was, and
Speaker 5: that he was.
Speaker 2: He was like, son, you know, you.
Speaker 5: Were one step from becoming a petroleum engineer. You know
Speaker 5: what that is? That's a gas station at Oh my goodness, man, he.
Speaker 3: Is he's the John tierlink of offensive line coaches, where
Speaker 3: he's going to tell you like it is and he's
Speaker 3: either going to inspire you or open the door for you.
Speaker 1: Well wait first, first, in an offensive line time, you
Speaker 1: know that. You know Tom's offensive line coach was do you.
Speaker 3: So last week in the in the locker room when
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell was bent over talking to Skipper about throwing up.
Speaker 3: If you look right above his head, it's the name
Speaker 3: of Dick Stanfeld, one of the greatest offensive linemen in
Speaker 3: the history of the Detroit Lions. Was my offensive line
Speaker 3: coach from start to finish. Oh wow, and one of
Speaker 3: the most incredible coaches that could coach every single position,
Speaker 3: every single step against everying defense from the time you
Speaker 3: got in your stance to the time you made your
Speaker 3: collision or what your required assignment on the on the play.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's awesome. Now, yeah, I know the name.
Speaker 5: I respect the name because you, like you say, he's
Speaker 5: one of the all time greats.
Speaker 3: So lomus looking at the injury report yesterday, you guys
Speaker 3: had nine guys DNP did not practice, but some of
Speaker 3: them are resting.
Speaker 4: Four of them were offensive linemen.
Speaker 3: Is this team mature enough to get through the course
Speaker 3: of a week without having to go through their paces
Speaker 3: and practice to come out with the confidence on Sunday.
Speaker 3: Or is just a team that Dan Campbell is instilled
Speaker 3: a certain sense of maturity in them that they can
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 5: I think they have the maturity in them if you
Speaker 5: think about it. Time we went through a tough stretch
Speaker 5: when we had four games and eighteen days.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know again, and that was tough.
Speaker 5: A lot of those games in between there was no
Speaker 5: practice in between those games because you just couldn't you
Speaker 5: couldn't have any contact, you know, so you're trying your
Speaker 5: body still trying to recover. And those were successful games,
Speaker 5: like I say, other than the Buffalo game. We lost
Speaker 5: on the tail end of it, and I do think
Speaker 5: the guys were kind of tied.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 5: They came out in that Buffalo game, the last game lethargic,
Speaker 5: you know, like we were playing and saying and you
Speaker 5: never used that as an excuse. But like I say,
Speaker 5: four games in eighteen days, that's a lot to put
Speaker 5: your body through.
Speaker 2: So I think that has something to do with it.
Speaker 5: But I do think it has the team ready and
Speaker 5: they know how to practice without having contact. They know
Speaker 5: how to practice without having the practice, if.
Speaker 2: I can dare say that. So yeah, I think it's
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 5: Of things that they've learned going through that stretch of
Speaker 5: games that they can use to help throughout the rest
Speaker 5: of the season.
Speaker 1: Lomas, David Montgomery, how big? How big is this beyond
Speaker 1: the obvious? And what has he meant inside that locker room?
Speaker 1: And you know that grit that you guys have owned
Speaker 1: as the kind of the rally cry in Detroit this
Speaker 1: year because of how you guys played it, does he
Speaker 1: exemplify that in every way?
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
Speaker 5: You know, I love David, love me some David Montgomery.
Speaker 5: In like I said before the season started, he was
Speaker 5: my offer, my MVP for this team, and he was
Speaker 5: the straw that made that drink mix, that mixed that drink.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 5: He was our call man. And it's gonna be tough
Speaker 5: now knowing that he's out. Now. The great thing about him,
Speaker 5: like I said a little earlier, was that this man
Speaker 5: here has gotten one two opinions on his knee and
Speaker 5: still going out to get a third opinion.
Speaker 2: Won't let them put him down on our r man.
Speaker 5: That's saying so much about his character and where he's
Speaker 5: at and what the love he has for this team
Speaker 5: and how he wants to be out there.
Speaker 2: He's still trying to find a way to play.
Speaker 5: That's why I said I love that guy, and that's
Speaker 5: why satan On, I'm telling you it's gonna be hard
Speaker 5: to replace him. We got Sonic back there, Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 5: We got Sonic back there, but without Knuckles. I just
Speaker 5: don't know how that's gonna look.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 5: So we're in the unknown world, and our first test
Speaker 5: really be this Sunday against Chicago. I mean, Chicago's pretty
Speaker 5: good up front defensively, so we're gonna see how our
Speaker 5: offensive line would have struggled over the last week or
Speaker 5: two couple of weeks we struggled up front. We're gonna
Speaker 5: see how we match up against that d line in Chicago.
Speaker 3: Long So the backups for McNeil and Montgomery, are they
Speaker 3: capable of absorbing another twenty reps?
Speaker 5: So I like Craig Reynolds. I like Reynolds behind him.
Speaker 5: I think he's pretty good. I think he could provide
Speaker 5: a little bit of what David Montgomery gave us between
Speaker 5: the tackles, I think, but again, it's not gonna be
Speaker 5: David Montgomery. They're talking about they probably gonna have to
Speaker 5: bring somebody in, you know. So and then you got
Speaker 5: to see only Vodke, who's a rookie. So you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying that he hadn't played a lot or
Speaker 5: touch the ball a lot. So now do you want
Speaker 5: to when the games get tough with tom as you know,
Speaker 5: and this time of the year, you got to be
Speaker 5: executing at a certain level, do you really trust the
Speaker 5: rookie back there, you know, carrying the ball seven eight,
Speaker 5: nine times a game. So it's a fine balance that
Speaker 5: we're going to have to find with this running game.
Speaker 2: And teams know that.
Speaker 5: Now that teams know that, you know, how does that
Speaker 5: change our approach?
Speaker 1: Well, the Bears and Lions they've had some tussles, so
Speaker 1: the Bears they play the Lions tough, they do. The
Speaker 1: outcomes may have not always been what we expected here
Speaker 1: in Chicago or the finish, but how do you what's
Speaker 1: your level of respect given that this team is dealing
Speaker 1: with a pretty hefty losing streak and an unknown future.
Speaker 1: How do you respect how they're playing and how they're
Speaker 1: coming out there?
Speaker 2: So this would be my question.
Speaker 5: I throw back at you two guys, because before he
Speaker 5: got the job, Thomas Brown, I heard some of his
Speaker 5: press conferences and I was like.
Speaker 2: Man, this dude here, and then he got the job.
Speaker 5: My question to you guys is how has the team
Speaker 5: responded to him?
Speaker 2: Because he even said hisself he could.
Speaker 5: Be a little rough around the edges because he going
Speaker 5: to tell the guys, you know, what they need to hear,
Speaker 5: and it may not always come out roses what he says.
Speaker 2: So how has the team responded to him?
Speaker 5: You know, have they have you all you guys seen
Speaker 5: a remark uptick in the team?
Speaker 3: Well, I would say against San Francisco, I was a
Speaker 3: little disappointed in what happened out there, but there was
Speaker 3: that was the great unknown with Thomas Brown being in
Speaker 3: control of the first week. But I think they responded
Speaker 3: better the other night in Minnesota. The defensive line played better,
Speaker 3: they played him, had a more physical approach on defense.
Speaker 3: And you know, you got a guy like Caleb Williams,
Speaker 3: Lomas the guy is gonna be something special from the
Speaker 3: beginning and throughout his career. So he always gives you
Speaker 3: that opportunity to stay involved in the game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would say, uh, yeah, all you gotta
Speaker 1: do is look at how they performed. Uh, you know
Speaker 1: they they're not starting quickly. Obviously they haven't done it
Speaker 1: but once all season long, if they scored in the
Speaker 1: first quarter or just gone up, I should say, excuse me,
Speaker 1: let me rephrase that. The only time they've had to
Speaker 1: lead in the first quarter was Minnesota the first game
Speaker 1: seven nothing. So it's been a challenge, but there's no quit.
Speaker 1: They keep grinding so that you got to you know,
Speaker 1: and that was the case before too, in my opinion.
Speaker 1: But I do like he's very open about Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: a direct guy, and it's that whole thing of players.
Speaker 1: You tell them what they need to hear, not what
Speaker 1: they want to hear, right, I think that's the delineation.
Speaker 1: But I do like his and he's he's very open
Speaker 1: about how he looks at things and how you know,
Speaker 1: some of his own decisions. And everybody's looking to be
Speaker 1: pretty accountable here. So I do like his attitude. I've
Speaker 1: had a chance now sit down with him one on
Speaker 1: one several times, and he's delightful. I love his raw
Speaker 1: approach to the game for sure. All right, before we
Speaker 1: let you go, got to ask you this question. Well,
Speaker 1: two questions, Actually, this will only be the second outdoor
Speaker 1: game of the year for the Lions. Does that worry
Speaker 1: you at all come playoff time in the NFC, when
Speaker 1: you're talking if you don't get that home field advantage
Speaker 1: or is it not a factor?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a fact.
Speaker 5: That they proved to me when we went to Green
Speaker 5: Bay in that game where it was I ain't in it,
Speaker 5: it's kind of cold there.
Speaker 2: They proved to me that the elements doesn't bother them.
Speaker 5: That they really take into what Dan Campbell said, We'll
Speaker 5: play you in the parking lot, We'll play you on dirt,
Speaker 5: it just doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: We'll play you anywhere.
Speaker 5: And they've taken that, taken it the hard, and especially
Speaker 5: Jared Golf because a lot of the questions have been
Speaker 5: about him, how.
Speaker 2: Would he handle it? And Jared has handled it like
Speaker 2: a champ.
Speaker 5: So the rest of the team I don't have I
Speaker 5: don't think they'll have a problem with following suit. So no,
Speaker 5: I don't see any reason to have concerned about the
Speaker 5: outdoor weather.
Speaker 1: Lastly, time, there's three pictures behind Lomas in his office
Speaker 1: of him blocking that middle one. It looks to be
Speaker 1: a bear.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's the great Wilbert Marshall, my ex teammate
Speaker 5: at the University of Florida. I'm my good friends and yeah,
Speaker 5: you're right about that, And yeah, I just happen to.
Speaker 2: Have those up there.
Speaker 5: Man. Man, I hadn't talked to Wilbur in so long. Man,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys have talked to him,
Speaker 5: But man, just a great, dear friend of mine, and
Speaker 5: you know, just just loved the guy to death. Man,
Speaker 5: will Kitty, we used to call him back in college.
Speaker 3: One of the most one of the most naturally physically
Speaker 3: gifted guys I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Tom, without a doubt, Man, I have to I
Speaker 5: used to have to block that guy, of course in
Speaker 5: practice at Florida, and then when I got to the league,
Speaker 5: and you're right, I'm telling you just a quick he
Speaker 5: was the only guy after we played USC and you
Speaker 5: know he was.
Speaker 2: He won uh College Defensive Player of the Year that war.
Speaker 5: John Robinson after the game came in our locker room,
Speaker 5: stood in front.
Speaker 2: Our whole team and told Wilbur in front the whole team,
Speaker 2: that was the greatest.
Speaker 5: Defensive performance I've ever seen on the collegiate level. And
Speaker 5: it was just unbelievable to see John Robinson walking our
Speaker 5: locker room after defeat and Tail.
Speaker 2: Wilble that man.
Speaker 5: So you're right, Tom, one of the greatest players I've
Speaker 5: ever played with.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a great story that you don't hear every day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's when you think of guys like Chip Banks
Speaker 3: or Ronnie Lott or some of the other greats of
Speaker 3: the greats that John Robinson got to be around and
Speaker 3: coming to an opponent's locker room and just congratulating for
Speaker 3: an effort like that, something that probably stick with you
Speaker 3: the rest of your life.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely one.
Speaker 1: Of the greats as you are. And I know the disappointment.
Speaker 1: I'm sure Hall of Fame you made, you made uh
Speaker 1: deep in there, so it's common. I mean, how do
Speaker 1: you how do you how do you how are you
Speaker 1: accepting and handling it?
Speaker 2: So another bear story I just told you guys.
Speaker 5: I was with Jimbo Covert, uh probably about two months
Speaker 5: ago maybe yeah, about two months ago.
Speaker 2: And man, the words that that man gave me. Man
Speaker 2: the encouraging word he said to me.
Speaker 5: You know, after how long it took him to get
Speaker 5: in there, what he had to go through.
Speaker 2: Man, he made me feel so good just.
Speaker 5: Talking to Jimbo Man, so one of the great guys
Speaker 5: that ever played the game. And look, it's no shame
Speaker 5: when you see guys that you played against, that were
Speaker 5: right in your division go to the Hall of Fame
Speaker 5: that played the same position you play that Let just
Speaker 5: lets me know the competition I went up against.
Speaker 2: Think about it. You got jimbo Kovid, you got Gary Zimmerman.
Speaker 2: You know guys that played around our era. The you know,
Speaker 2: they're in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5: And we got other guys competing in that same area
Speaker 5: the get era to get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5: So Richmond, well he just got to be one of
Speaker 5: the finalists. He's been waiting a long time. So it
Speaker 5: ain't no shame because it was so many great offensive linemen,
Speaker 5: especially tackles back in my era when I played, so Man, kudos.
Speaker 2: But Jim Man, that's my guy. Man love, big fellow.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to hear that. And uh, the day will come,
Speaker 1: The day will come, Lomas, the day is gonna come.
Speaker 1: I know those are trite words when you when you
Speaker 1: have your hearts. I appreciate it, you know it it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Hey, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, and we'll see you on Sunday.
Speaker 2: Absolutely looking forward to.
Speaker 3: He almost come in for some hot coffee because we'll
Speaker 3: have it in our booth.
Speaker 2: I'm will because I'm gonna be dress long. Take care.
Speaker 1: Discuss that David Montgomery aspect of things, Tom. I like
Speaker 1: when he walks down Memory Lane with you, fellow offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: and and and you know the disappointment he must feel.
Speaker 1: But the encouragement from Jimbo about the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I thought that was a cool story.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: You know what's weird about Lomus. One quick story is
Speaker 3: is saying hi and goodbye to him.
Speaker 1: After the Detroup fun time.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 3: But you know, we always had the upper hand on
Speaker 3: those guys back then, and so you kind of always
Speaker 3: out for Lomas because he is such a good quality
Speaker 3: guy and he's such a good football player, and he
Speaker 3: was the type of guy at that time along with
Speaker 3: your Calvin Johnson and your Barry Sanders and the good
Speaker 3: players that they've had through Damkasou throughout the Detroit career
Speaker 3: that they never really got surrounded by great players, so
Speaker 3: they didn't have the success that we are having. And
Speaker 3: now I feel really fortunate to get the chance to
Speaker 3: talk to him on this.
Speaker 4: End of it, and they all understand what.
Speaker 3: David Montgomery missing time means to this offense. And he
Speaker 3: was saying that David Montgomery is not giving up, that
Speaker 3: he's going to multi, multiple visits to doctors to see
Speaker 3: if he can maybe get back on the field. And
Speaker 3: I don't want David Montgomery to do something that's not
Speaker 3: beneficial for the long term of his career. But I've
Speaker 3: always known David as a guy, especially when he was
Speaker 3: with the Bears, how he was determined, how much he
Speaker 3: was determined to get back on the field after any
Speaker 3: type of injury setback.
Speaker 1: So the crazy thing about this division, and I'm with
Speaker 1: you hundred percent on David for sure, and I think
Speaker 1: they'll have it. You know, there's a different attitude the
Speaker 1: way he runs the football that you know, when he
Speaker 1: started that game, it was David Montgomery pounded away, you know,
Speaker 1: and he sets the tone.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 3: You know, Jamar Gibbs a super fortunate since he's coming
Speaker 3: to the NFL that he's had that guy in front
Speaker 3: of him that he can reach out to and he
Speaker 3: could try to catch up to and he could be
Speaker 3: influenced by now. When you're the main key of a
Speaker 3: position and you got to do all those things that
Speaker 3: David Montgomery has already put on display. That is challenging
Speaker 3: and it is a test. And when you get up
Speaker 3: at six o'clock Sunday morning and you walk over the
Speaker 3: Soldier Field and it's twenty something degrees with possible gust
Speaker 3: up to twenty six miles an hour, it's a whole
Speaker 3: different feeling.
Speaker 4: Man, when you walk out in that field.
Speaker 1: It's not a podcast without Tom Thaer's weather report. It
Speaker 1: really isn't. Well, I don't even look anymore because I
Speaker 1: know I'm I'm not gonna hear from.
Speaker 3: You when the three to eleven miles an hour with
Speaker 3: gust up to twenty six.
Speaker 1: So you've been pretty much right on the money all
Speaker 1: year long, all year long. You know, the Lions have
Speaker 1: not lost a road game. I know have not lost
Speaker 1: a road game.
Speaker 4: Can you can you do you have the schedule in
Speaker 4: front of you?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Can you can you say? Their road games?
Speaker 1: So the Detroit Lions. Lions have played at Dallas and
Speaker 1: at Minnesota to start the year. They won forty seven
Speaker 1: nine and thirty one, twenty nine at at Green Bay
Speaker 1: twenty four to fourteen November three, Right, okay, Uh, they
Speaker 1: played at Houston, won by a field goal in door
Speaker 1: one at Indy twenty four to six and door and
Speaker 1: here we are at Chicago at San Francisco next week
Speaker 1: and then they wrap against Minnesota. They're four to zero
Speaker 1: division unbeaten on the road. Two things that help you
Speaker 1: get to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3: And you know that was when I asked Lomas Brown,
Speaker 3: does this team know how win? Because winning throughout the
Speaker 3: course of the season and winning one it counts at
Speaker 3: the end of the season and into the playoffs. That's
Speaker 3: really judgment day in terms of does this team know
Speaker 3: how to win? And so I think they still have
Speaker 3: a lot on the line. But I do think the
Speaker 3: conditions on Sunday will be some of the most difficult
Speaker 3: that they'll play in up until this point, even though
Speaker 3: we talked about their rainy conditions in Green Bay.
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Speaker 1: all right. The day's News on Thursday heard from the coordinators,
Speaker 1: as we always do. Let's start with the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: Chris Beatty looking at things from his perspective of first
Speaker 1: game against Detroit, felt that they made great adjustments at
Speaker 1: halftime and again still pounding that rock on, starting faster
Speaker 1: Tom and they he said it, no hole digging, be aggressive,
Speaker 1: come up with the right way to attack the defensive
Speaker 1: personnel and adjust to that along the way, and I
Speaker 1: feel it will it will make a completely different look
Speaker 1: to the game, in a different feel for this team.
Speaker 1: If the Bears can grab the momentum early and ride
Speaker 1: that wave, you want to grab that crowd in light
Speaker 1: of the circumstances as soon as possible on Sunday.
Speaker 4: I agree one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And you know I'm not giving advice, but my only
Speaker 3: thought about after watching the tape, if you were going
Speaker 3: to go for it on fourth down, you'd have to
Speaker 3: explore every option that you have given to you at
Speaker 3: that point, and a difficult fourth down to try to
Speaker 3: to make up that first play that first fourth down
Speaker 3: they went for, because I do think both fourth downs
Speaker 3: in that third down that was a fumble cause and
Speaker 3: they gained possession of him. I do think those three
Speaker 3: plays alone factored in what could have been a different
Speaker 3: outcome in the game.
Speaker 4: On last Monday night.
Speaker 1: All right, I walked through on the first two days
Speaker 1: of the week's practice tom no goal for Tevin Jenkins,
Speaker 1: calf still no Gervon Dexter, Ryan Bates arrest day from
Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis. On the upside, an upgrade to a full
Speaker 1: participation after missing a game with a concussion for Braxton
Speaker 1: Jones and Roshan Johnson who's missed He got hurt in
Speaker 1: the Detroit game and had not been back since. But
Speaker 1: I saw him in shoulder pads yesterday at Hallis Hall.
Speaker 1: And then Darryl Taylor also a full return. So those
Speaker 1: are some things, you know. Roshan, you know, he's got
Speaker 1: six rushing touchdowns. He's been the hammer to DeAndre Swift,
Speaker 1: the one two punch in the backfield, and he and
Speaker 1: Keenan now with the team high six touchdowns. Obviously, Keenan's
Speaker 1: through the air and a Bracson return looks promising.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one thing about Rochean.
Speaker 3: If I'm throwing a pass and I need max protection,
Speaker 3: he's the back that I want it in there. I
Speaker 3: think he's technically the soundest of all the backs in
Speaker 3: terms of that kind of fundamentals. Braxton, I'm glad he's there,
Speaker 3: give competitives to the position, and I'm not saying here
Speaker 3: that I would put him right back in the lineup.
Speaker 3: There's a chance that I may play on a GAJI
Speaker 3: again and see what he can offer me at home,
Speaker 3: see if he can offer what he can offer me
Speaker 3: in more favorable conditions at home, And then you know,
Speaker 3: Tevin Jenkins.
Speaker 4: I would hope to see.
Speaker 3: I would hope to think that maybe he'd be ready
Speaker 3: to play by Sunday. And I'm glad to see Darryl
Speaker 3: Taylor back because I think that Eric Washington did a
Speaker 3: really nice job of defensive lineman rotation, not only who
Speaker 3: was playing, but where they are playing. And I think
Speaker 3: they got significant pressure on to Darnold, and I think
Speaker 3: with less escapability by golf, I do think that Eric
Speaker 3: can do the same with the largest group of guys.
Speaker 1: Heck, it's even possible. I'd imagine then if if Tevin's
Speaker 1: and no Go Kuran could play left guard.
Speaker 4: Correct.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Eric Washington. You know, he
Speaker 1: was very firm at the podium, all serious, nothing, just
Speaker 1: very very serious on this day. Felt that they impacted
Speaker 1: the quarterback obviously, as you mentioned against of Sam Darnold.
Speaker 1: He thought it was a spirited performance and full effort.
Speaker 1: But the twenty one points, he says, it was related
Speaker 1: to penalties. In his mind, that's got to stop. So
Speaker 1: the penalties. Complimented Daniel Hardy on the pressure on the
Speaker 1: Stevenson interception, and it's critical in his mind, they got
Speaker 1: to defend the run better than they did it. Detroit
Speaker 1: in that first game.
Speaker 3: Well, I think they have to defend a run inside
Speaker 3: the tackles better than they in the Detroit game. I
Speaker 3: think when Detroit tried to run outside the tackles, the
Speaker 3: lateral pursuit of the Bears defense did a nice job.
Speaker 3: But I think the immediacy of point of attack inside
Speaker 3: the shoulders of each offensive tackle was hit quickly enough
Speaker 3: where guys were either still fighting off blocks or guys
Speaker 3: weren't in position to make the plays. And so that
Speaker 3: is the biggest challenge to the defense is that interior
Speaker 3: style of defense be more battle winning immediately to stop
Speaker 3: that interior run.
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Speaker 1: there have been some highlights so over the course of
Speaker 1: the season. They had some penalty issues early on in
Speaker 1: the season. That's ironed out for the most part. But
Speaker 1: you get a guy like Dominique Robinson. We discussed this
Speaker 1: in our Monday podcast, but high Tower really gave him
Speaker 1: a lot of compliments on that block punt. Rarely up
Speaker 1: Max effort on that play and others cooperate Agba Mamiga
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 4: You know Jeff.
Speaker 3: So, when you're repetitively taught on punt block and you
Speaker 3: know it's an all out block, your aiming point at
Speaker 3: all blockers is the foot of the punter and take
Speaker 3: the ball off the foot of the punter without contact.
Speaker 4: Uh huh.
Speaker 3: That was blocked by his face mask with elbow contact
Speaker 3: to the chest to the punter. And so Dominique had
Speaker 3: won his rush so quickly that he was beyond the
Speaker 3: foot in the leg of the punter long before the
Speaker 3: ball was ever being dropped to the punter's foot. And so,
Speaker 3: from the technical standpoint of a perfectly designed block, Dominique
Speaker 3: took exactly what was offered to him, and he made
Speaker 3: the most out of it. And I congratulate him on
Speaker 3: that effort and that reward.
Speaker 1: I know it's touchy because you got no it's a
Speaker 1: numbers game, But can one play like that on special
Speaker 1: teams as physical and violent as he attacked? It earn
Speaker 1: him an active spot to play more on special teams
Speaker 1: and get into that rotation up front defensively here in
Speaker 1: the final weeks.
Speaker 3: You know, I think he's got the athleticism that you
Speaker 3: wouldn't not give him a chance on any one of
Speaker 3: the special teams. Is he a willing and a capable
Speaker 3: blocking on kickoff return yes? Is he a willing and
Speaker 3: capable rusher on kickoff coverage yes? Can he block on
Speaker 3: punt coverage yes? Can he block? I mean, can he
Speaker 3: rush on punt block?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 3: So everything that you need out of him, including extra
Speaker 3: point and field goal rush, there's a place for him.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing about Dominique Robinson throughout his career.
Speaker 3: If he's not a regular in the pass rush in
Speaker 3: the past defensive line rotation, he's gonna have to be
Speaker 3: able to keep his stripes earned on special teams a
Speaker 3: lot like Israel Adonaje throughout his career and then ultimately
Speaker 3: what became of him in the aftermath as he became
Speaker 3: every down player. So to me, I just like dominic
Speaker 3: Robinson's determination to be good and to be better every day.
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