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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number one six

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Speaker 1: nine and to the show. We're answering listener questions and

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Speaker 1: we're covering topics such as the timing of the rut, decoin,

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Speaker 1: white tails, trail camera setups, mock scrapes, using grunt calls,

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Speaker 1: recommended reading, and much much more. All Right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sitka Gear.

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Speaker 1: And say in the show, we have got a whole

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Speaker 1: slew of different topics that we're gonna be covering, because

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Speaker 1: over the next hour or two we're gonna be one

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Speaker 1: of those episodes where we tackle listener questions. Um. I

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Speaker 1: mentioned before, but I get hundreds of emails and messages

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Speaker 1: like this today is that we can answer some of

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Speaker 1: just help one single person, but that can help a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of different people that might be curious about

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Speaker 1: the same thing. So we've got questions we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: and all sorts of stuff related to the rut, things

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Speaker 1: related to mock scrapes, trail cameras, book recommendations, and all

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Speaker 1: So lots of good stuff. But before we get to

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Speaker 1: all that, we've got a couple of things. We have

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Speaker 1: some interesting updates, some interesting news. But that's gonna wait

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Speaker 1: for one more a few more minutes, because in addition

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Speaker 1: to Dan and I, we've got another member of the

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt team with us today. You've heard his silky,

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Speaker 1: smooth baritone voice each week during our during our six

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Speaker 1: Stories and our White Tailed Properties segments. This is our

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Speaker 1: one and only producer, Mr Spencer new Hearth. Welcome the show. Spencer, Hey,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me. But now I'm really nervous about

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Speaker 1: what hazing might take place that kind of intro. You're screwed, buddy.

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Speaker 1: But but Spencer, I wanted you to join us today

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Speaker 1: because this week, as you know, and as some people

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Speaker 1: might already know, we have launched our first RUT Radio

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Speaker 1: episode of two thousand seventeen. And for some of you listening,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you're familiar with RUT Radio from last year.

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Speaker 1: But basically, this is a mini series that we're running

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Speaker 1: through Wired to Hunt during the season, and Spencer here

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Speaker 1: what is it all about? What are we doing well?

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Speaker 1: For starters? The episodes are short, so you're not going

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Speaker 1: during regular episodes. These only ago. These only go like

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Speaker 1: thirty minutes, UM, and within that thirty minutes I will

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Speaker 1: So the information that you're getting, uh is super up

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Speaker 1: you on team uh yeah, Mark, that's probably a good

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00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 1: idea you should. You should let a buck like that walk.

427
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: I was for killing him, like I could understand if

428
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: he just had like one encountered where he's like, oh no,

429
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let him go. But like I mean, you

430
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: encountered him over and over where you passed on killing him.

431
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: That correct, Right? Well, I only had two actual shots

432
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: at him last year. One of them I passed because

433
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: a little bit too dark, and then one of them

434
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 1: I just didn't. That was after I decided I didn't

435
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: want to shoot him. Um, so there's only one point

436
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,400
Speaker 1: didn't In gun season, you would have had opportunities at him, yes,

437
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 1: and gun season and gun seasons when I could have

438
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: shot him, and I probably could have kept going in

439
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: and getting shots at him because he showed up over

440
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: and over and over in his spot. I could easily hunt,

441
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,919
Speaker 1: and I just didn't. That's where I was like, just

442
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: give in and kill him. Yeah, I hear you, I

443
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: hear you. I was chatting. Yeah, I mean, I've heard

444
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: it from. I've heard all different angles on this one.

445
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: Some people see where I was coming from. Some people

446
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: think I'm an idiot. I've heard other people who say,

447
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 1: how could you kill him? Now? You should there, there's

448
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 1: no way you used to shoot him out after you've

449
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: seen him so many times. So I don't know. But

450
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: but if if I'm like Julius Caesar and then in

451
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,719
Speaker 1: the movie The Gladiator, you know, at this point the

452
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 1: thumb is going down, it's the end for Holy Field,

453
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: the fact, and if I can make it happen, there's

454
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 1: no question, no matter what, If I can matter. Yeah,

455
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 1: there's he comes in with half his rack busted off,

456
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 1: you're passing him now that that would be h I

457
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: didn't think about that, did you, buddy? No, I didn't

458
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: think about that. But that gets into all sorts of

459
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 1: weird questions then for me, because it's like, because it's

460
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: not all about the antlers for me, like, of course

461
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: there's this whole experience and the history you just had

462
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: like a question there, it changes everything even though it's

463
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: not about the rack for you. You're right there, You're

464
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 1: just like, well that kind of changes some things. I know.

465
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying to myself is like, I'm I

466
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: don't even know how to answer that in my own head.

467
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: And I realized I'm like being hypocritical or something, because

468
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: you're right, like I would, I would say that it's

469
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: not all about the antlers, but but you're right. I

470
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: paused there and I was like, huh, I don't know

471
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: your thought. What I'm I'm wondering the same thing, Like

472
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 1: if there were any dear uh that would take priority,

473
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 1: you know over holy Field, Say a buck you haven't

474
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: seen since came in, uh, you know, just blew you away.

475
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 1: I think you would change your mind then, right, Ah, well,

476
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 1: if he has the broken rack, or if we're just

477
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: saying he's fully normal, great health, and then this new

478
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: buck shows up, which one of those yeah, like like

479
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: he has his whole rack? Are there any dear, you

480
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: think they could change your mind on him. I don't

481
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: think so. I think that I think that what would

482
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: happen is if let's say a random new bucks showed

483
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: up that's like a giant, a giant buck that could

484
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: be from Iowa, Like if Dan, if Dan let one

485
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: of his Iowa bucks come on over to Michigan and

486
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 1: it showed up on my property, and like it'd be

487
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: like the biggest buck I've ever seen in Michigan. I'm

488
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: shooting that buck. But I will then break my typical rule.

489
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 1: My typical rule on this property where this is all happening, specifically,

490
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: is that I would only take one buck off that

491
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: a year because there's just not a lot of mature

492
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: bucks out there. But if for some reason it's like

493
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime opportunity that okay, yeah, I

494
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 1: would never get another chance to buck like this. Yes,

495
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: I will probably shoot that buck, but then I will

496
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: continue to hunt holy Field after that. Um holy Field

497
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: is on a He's on the list this year, no

498
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: questions asked, I would be. I would have weird feelings

499
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: if he showed up with like missing his rack or

500
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: half his rack, because like I don't know I don't

501
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: know how to articulate that or how to make sense

502
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: of that even in my own mind why that would matter.

503
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: But it would feel like if I'm gonna kill holy Field,

504
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: it should be like the right it should be like

505
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: the right way. It should be the whole thing it

506
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: should be. Um. It's not even like he's got that

507
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: big of a rack. So it's not like I'm doing

508
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: this because i want like some amazing trophy that I'm

509
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: going to measure and put in the record books or

510
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: something like that. His rack is not going to excite

511
00:26:53,960 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 1: many people. Um, but it's still representative maybe of like

512
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: this really cool animal that I've been able to observe

513
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: and interact with, and like it would I don't, I

514
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: don't know. I would have to like chew on that.

515
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,919
Speaker 1: For a while, I thought it was a bit of

516
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: got you journalism by Dann and either yeah it really was,

517
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: you guys stumped me. Um, I hope I don't need

518
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: to now I'll tell you if he like breaks off

519
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: part of his main beam like it did last year. Um. See,

520
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: that's so weird to me, Like even as I'm saying

521
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: these things, for some reason in my head, like if

522
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: he busts off a time or part of his main

523
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: beam or something. If he still looks like holy Field

524
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: to me, I think I shoot him. If like it's

525
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: not the holy Field that's in my head. If like

526
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: he busts off a whole side or something, then I

527
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: don't know, for some reason, that changes it in my mind.

528
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 1: I can't explain why. Um, But I'm not saying I

529
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't shoot him, but I'm saying it makes me think

530
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: about it. Um. I have no good answer at this point.

531
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: Hopefully I don't need to deal with that. Hopefully he's

532
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: just a big old slab of a of a mature buck.

533
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: And he shows up opening night or second night or

534
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 1: third night or whatever it is when I go out

535
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: there and he just decides, you know what, I've lived

536
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: a good long life. I'm sick of this guy stalking

537
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: me and looking at me all the time. I'm just

538
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: gonna let it end. And we just wrapped this sucker

539
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: up real nice and tidy. So that's that's the game plan. Okay,

540
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 1: on to the next one. The next one probably won't happen,

541
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: but but next week's episode we can talk in more

542
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: depth about my plan. Um. But we we've kind of

543
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: we've kind of talked about this random stuff quite a

544
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: bit here, Dan, did you have any up I know

545
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: you mentioned you've got a couple of bucks maybe that

546
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: are back that we've heard about in the past. Is

547
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: that true? Yeah? Man, Um, there are for sure one

548
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: buck I called dork right. He is probably a seven

549
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: or eight year old buck this year. He is a

550
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: He is a holy Field type of buck where the

551
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: rack has never been gigantic, but his body is freaking huge.

552
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: Like he's that buck that looks like he could push

553
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: three pounds on the hoof. Um, he's just a stud

554
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: I've got nothing. But in the past, let's see, I

555
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: got four years worth the trail camera pictures of this buck. Um.

556
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: Other than adding mass, this buck has really done nothing

557
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: in the last year. He had a way bigger act

558
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 1: than he did this year. But um, just a nocturnal buck.

559
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: I have a strong feeling that he lives to the

560
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: north of the farm that I have permission to hunt,

561
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: and he only comes through a handful of times a year.

562
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: I just so happened to have a trail camera that

563
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: is where he comes through. All nocturnal picks other than

564
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: one daylight like September, some September day, late September. He

565
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: comes through and it was a daylight pick on the

566
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: tail end of a cold front. Um, I have I

567
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: want to make sure I didn't miss this. Um, you

568
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in personal right, I've never seen this buck.

569
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: I might have, I might have seen him on the hoof,

570
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: but it was really dark. It was not last year,

571
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: but the year before. A couple of does came just

572
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: barreling through the timber and there was a big buck

573
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: chasing him, but he was further away behind like a

574
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: pine thicket. I could see a big body in a rack.

575
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: It looked like the characteristics, but by the time I

576
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: got my binoculars up, it was just kind of like

577
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: a and then it was over. Had of deal. So

578
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: I never could very I never could verify it. Um.

579
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: The last time I went to check trail cameras. Uh,

580
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: you know this Gordon Bombay buck right, yeah, big, the

581
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: big boy right wide, probably plus inside. Man, he's wider

582
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: than that. I'd say, even closer to seven inches inside,

583
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: which is really sounds ridiculous. Beau. Yeah. Um, so I'll

584
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: keep this short, this story very short. Um. I was

585
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: out checking trail cameras and A and I checked the

586
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: weather and it was just like this quick rainstorm and

587
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: I I thought that's what it was. But then I

588
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: mean lightning started crashing hitting the ground all around me,

589
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,400
Speaker 1: heavy heavy rain. I jumped down and I was soaking wet.

590
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 1: I jumped down in this crack and I just like,

591
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: I gotta get back to my truck as soon as possible,

592
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 1: because I was literally scared. So I ended up cutting

593
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: through a piece of property. I got caught on trail

594
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: camera by because I took a shortcut through a piece

595
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: of property on a two track. There was a trail

596
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: camera on this two track. So I went to the

597
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: landowner's house that I took a shortcut through, knocked on

598
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: his door. I said, hey man, I just had to

599
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: get out of this storm. Lightning was cracking all around me. Um,

600
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: I walked through your property and I got caught on

601
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: one of your trail came risk and he's like, hey man,

602
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: no big deal, thanks for coming forward and telling me. Well.

603
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: While I was there, I asked him, hey you uh,

604
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: you got any trail camera pictures this year of the

605
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: big wide buck. Um? And he's like, not this year.

606
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: But I hit him in the shoulder last year and

607
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: never recovered him. So yeah, last year, Gordon Bombay got

608
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: hit but not not recovered. And the trail camera that

609
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: I had soaking literally for three months without touching, no

610
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: pictures of Gordon Bombay. So um, who knows he could

611
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 1: still be alive. He could be a pile of bones.

612
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: I hope not. I hope he shows back up late

613
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: October like he always does, um in that area, or

614
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: that could have spooked him and he just jumped to

615
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: a different property altogether. Man. Yeah. Other than that, I got,

616
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: I got a couple other four year olds that are back.

617
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: Uh and uh one or two five and one five

618
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: and one six year old better back again. These these

619
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: deer tend to shift this time of year. Um. I

620
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: don't know if they're gonna shift this year because of

621
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: the acorn crop that could keep them around, But once

622
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: the crops come out, there's a huge transition in this property.

623
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of time. The next time

624
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: I go and check trail cameras, we'll see who's stuck around.

625
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: It's exciting to see. I uh, I took whenever you

626
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: you you talk through this kind of stuff that I

627
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: just like silently curse you because like I got a

628
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: couple of four year olds, got a five year old,

629
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: got a six year old. Like, man, I've got one

630
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: I think five year old that I got pictures of twice.

631
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: And that's all I had the entire summer. Right, I

632
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: talked this, But remember again, we're talking about trail cameras, right,

633
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: trail cameras. You know, I could give a guy who

634
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: knows nothing about how to hunt deer a trail camera,

635
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: say hey, go put it somewhere. He puts it out.

636
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: And in Iowa, there's a chance you get a picture

637
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: of a giant buck. Hunting that animal is a completely

638
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: different story. And you know, you also know my circumstances.

639
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't hunt a private farm. I hunt, I hunt.

640
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean I hunt a private farm. But I have

641
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: other hunters that hunt it with me. Um, so there's

642
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: pressure there. Um. And then we all know that the

643
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: properties to the north, to the south, and to the

644
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: northwest are all highly managed properties where once the crops

645
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: come out on my farm, guess where they go to

646
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: a place where the crops don't come out ever. So well,

647
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: I think you're still gonna get it done. Yeah, that's

648
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:38,919
Speaker 1: my goal. Anyway, I think so. All right, Well, next week, yeah,

649
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: next week, let's talk a little more about our early

650
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: season plan or maybe what we can talk about you're

651
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: October plan. I'll talk about my early season plan. Um,

652
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: but we got some questions to answer. So, Spencer, are

653
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: you cool hanging around and helping us answer some of

654
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: these questions? I can do that. And uh, here's another

655
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Speaker 1: reason to listen to about radio and the time you've

656
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: heard us three talk about nothing. You could listen to

657
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Speaker 1: the entire podcast Radio the consummate Marketer. It's very good, Spencer.

658
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. I'll keep selling. That's good. That's

659
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: very good. Your spot on with much more value in

660
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Speaker 1: the radio episode than what you just heard here. Okay, first,

661
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: let's get to something that's helpful. First question. But but

662
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: actually before that first question, let's take a second to

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Speaker 1: think our partners at sick Gear and to listen to

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Speaker 1: today's sick of story, which our pale Spencer has got

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Speaker 1: for you. Next. For this week's sick of Story, we're

666
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Speaker 1: joined by Hunt terror founder Ben Harshein, who tells us

667
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Speaker 1: about a New Year's Eve hunt where everything came together

668
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: as planned. So from Thanksgiving on to Christmas. I'm very

669
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 1: very busy with my business and I don't get much

670
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: time to hunt. So what I did is I kind

671
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: of reset cameras um after after Thanksgiving and and really

672
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: let them soak for a while. And I ended up

673
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: patterning a buck uh that came onto the farm late,

674
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: and I thought maybe he was just a transient scooting

675
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: through in late November early December. But what ended up

676
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: happening is he uh, he became really comfortable visiting one

677
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: of my central plots on the farm that I hunt,

678
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: and Uh, what I did is I came back after

679
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 1: Christmas time and you kind of regrouped and checked all

680
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: my cameras and I was able to really establish a

681
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: pretty consistent pattern with this buck on a on a

682
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: on a west wind and anything that had a north

683
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Speaker 1: to it as well. Um, so the plan was actually

684
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: pretty simple, just kind of wait and that that wind

685
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: happened to be on uh New Year's Eve has when

686
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: I slipped in on him, and uh, it was it

687
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: was a pretty cold night, but thankfully what I was wearing,

688
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: I was really comfortable, and I just waited him out

689
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Speaker 1: and he ended up actually coming out really early. I mean,

690
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: he was coming out probably an hour before dark. That's

691
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: how comfortable he was. And uh I was able to

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Speaker 1: put him down pretty pretty quick there with the muzzle

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Speaker 1: a year dot com. Okay, first, let's get to something

701
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Speaker 1: that's helpful. First question is from Josh D and John.

702
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do like the first letter of the

703
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: last name, just in case. Like Josh is embarrassed that

704
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: he's asking this question. He thought he was asking privately,

705
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: and now his butters and like, oh my gosh, Josh,

706
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: you didn't know about decoys. Uh So Josh D asks

707
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on decoys? Buck or doe or

708
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: combo bucking dough? What situation do you use them in?

709
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: How do you orient them to your hunting location? Is

710
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: morning or evening better or both? So we got a

711
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: bunch of little questions related decoying. There. Um, I've got

712
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: some thoughts on this. I had my first decoy success

713
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: last year, so I can talk touch on that. But

714
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: Spencer or Dan, either one of you guys have an

715
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: opinion on this topic. I'm going to differ as I

716
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: very rarely ever use decoys just because of the locations

717
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: that I hunt. Spencer, Yeah, I'm this. I'm the same way.

718
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: I rarely feel like I have the opportunity to use

719
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: a decoy because that time of year when a decoy

720
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: would be relevant. Um, I'm hunting a little bit thicker

721
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: stuff where you can get by with the illusion of

722
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: a grunt or a rattle, you know, and you don't

723
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: need to have something that's you know, visibly there. So no,

724
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: I don't do much decoying. Okay, So so I don't

725
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: do much decoin either, Um, but I just use it

726
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: occasionally in certain circumstances. So the circumstances when I would

727
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: use a decoy would be if I'm hunting in an

728
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: area during the rut, like peak running activity, So that

729
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: would be like, you know, the week or two before

730
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: peak breeding. Maybe in a lot of places that's gonna

731
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: be the first weekend I've ever or the second week

732
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: in November, maybe when there's a lot of bucks cruising around.

733
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Speaker 1: Um So, if it's during that time frame, and if

734
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm for some reason not able to hunt in tight cover,

735
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: like if I've been hunting a near betting air, have

736
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: been hunting in the funnel a bunch and it's just

737
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: not working out for some reason, I need to hunt

738
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: in a more open location, and I need to have

739
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: something that might bring them in a little closer. That's

740
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: when I would use a decoy. Um So the situation

741
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: where I use a decoy last year in this Ohio

742
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: property that I hunt, uh, just over fifty of it

743
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: is wide open field, and even the stuff that's covered,

744
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: you're still close to an edge no matter where you

745
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: go because it's just two tiny little fingers that cover

746
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 1: that come out into this big field. So in general,

747
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: you're hunting in relatively open areas. Um. But we've hunted

748
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: some of the cover the first few days, three or four,

749
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 1: five days of my rut hunt down there, and it

750
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: just wasn't happening. So it was like day five or six,

751
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly, and I was like, screw it.

752
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: This stuff hasn't been working. I need to try a

753
00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: different area. I need to see what's going on on

754
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: this far I'll their side of the property. The issue

755
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 1: is at the far other side of the property. We

756
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: have almost no cover at all. It's basically just a

757
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: fence row and then one little like nugget, like a

758
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: little linema being of cover that pops out. So I said,

759
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: had we have a stand in that little line of being,

760
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: And I thought, well, I can sit here, I can

761
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: at least see some new country. I'm gonna bring the

762
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: decoy just in case I see something. Maybe I can

763
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: call it in and that will be what brings it

764
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: in that final distance. So that's kind of snarrow when

765
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: I would use one. Now as far as how I

766
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: would set it up. The setup that I've learned that

767
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: I took from a lot of guys that do this

768
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 1: much more often than me, Guys like John Dudley. He

769
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: was one of the guys that was um the offer.

770
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: The most helpful advice to me was that you want

771
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: to set that buck. I use a buck decoy. Single

772
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: buck decoy. I had take one of the antlers off.

773
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: And the theory being there is that it's not intimidating.

774
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: If it's just half rack, it's enough that a buck

775
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: will come in and want to kick its butt, but

776
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: not so much of a challenge that it's going to

777
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: scare away a buck. And then I want that buck.

778
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 1: I want to be in a situation where the in

779
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: is blowing from the decoy to me, because if a

780
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: buck sees the decoy and it's gonna come in, the

781
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: first thing is gonna want to do. He's gonna want

782
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: to get down wind of it. He wants to smell it,

783
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: and then he wants to approach that buck head on

784
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: and challenge it. So what do we do is you

785
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 1: put that buck in between you and the wind, so

786
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: the winds blowing hits the decoy hits towards you. So

787
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: buck that's gonna circle down windo that has to come

788
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: in between you and the decoy. And then I set

789
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: that buck angling kind of quartering towards me, not pointed

790
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: right at me, not like he's looking right at me,

791
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: but he's kind of looking off to my right or

792
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 1: off to my left. And then what's going to happen

793
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: in the scenario that would you know typically play out

794
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,320
Speaker 1: is if a buck hears you, you know, grunting or

795
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: rattling or something, or just spots the decoy. He comes

796
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: in and he approaches towards the front of the decoy

797
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: and circles downwind of him, giving you a perfect broadside

798
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: or broad set or quartering away shot. And he's never

799
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: gonna be, you know, looking at you, so you can

800
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: draw your bow or whatever you're doing. If you're hunting

801
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: with a gun, you can get settled, um when he's

802
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: looking at that buck head on. So that's this situation,

803
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: that's the set up. As far as the time, um,

804
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: I think evenings, I think any time of day could

805
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: work as far as like when it would be useful.

806
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: The tricky thing is that if you're going in the morning, Um,

807
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: if you're hunting with a decoy, most often that means

808
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: you're hunting a wide open area and it's difficult to

809
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: get into a wide open field type set up in

810
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: many cases if it's a food source during the morning,

811
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: because there's probably gonna be deer feeding out there. So

812
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, if if you can get

813
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: in there without spooking deer, sure do it in the morning.

814
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, there aren't going to be deer

815
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: there because maybe it's like a short grassy field or

816
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: something that they don't come through. Then yeah, I think

817
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: that could work fine in the morning. Um, but at

818
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: least in my experience, setting up these decoys is kind

819
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: of clunky. The one I have is kind of a

820
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: loud because like holloplastic, So I usually just use in

821
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: the evening because I can get in there, but deer

822
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: most likely aren't going to be moving. I can get

823
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: it set up without worrying about spooking deer, and then

824
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: that last hour or two, hopefully when there's gonna be

825
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 1: more activity, then it's there, it's set up, and I'm

826
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: able to, you know, hopefully have a good hunt. So

827
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: in my case last year, I did all those things

828
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: and then like an hour before daylight, I saw a

829
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: buck following a dough across this wide open field, maybe

830
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: a couple hundred yards away, and I grunted at him

831
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: several times, gave him a snort. We'se that was enough

832
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: to get his attention. He looked towards that sound and

833
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: he saw this little one antler buck, and man, just

834
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: like in the movies, that guy, that guy puffed up

835
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: pin back his ears and he came in two hundred

836
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: yards on a string right to it. It was one

837
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 1: of the coolest things I've ever seen. So, um, you know,

838
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 1: it's really cool in a situation like that. Um. But

839
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: I'll preface with one other thing. I would only use

840
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: a decoy in a situation like this where you've got

841
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: relatively low hunting pressure, um, and where you've got a

842
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: lot of mature bucks. Because in a situation like in Michigan,

843
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: where there's tons of other hunters and there's not a

844
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: lot of mature bucks, I think you're more likely to

845
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: spook dear. And you're also going to be spooking a

846
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: lot of doughs because lots of times when you've got

847
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: a bunch of doughs coming out into a field or

848
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: wherever and they see this decoy, that's gonna make them

849
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable. So another thing I should mention is that

850
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: it might not be the best idea to use this

851
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: in an area where there's gonna be lots of deer

852
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: coming up close to that decoy, because those does start

853
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: getting concerned, they start blowing. Then of you that situation

854
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: where any deer coming into the area is getting spooked

855
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: by the decoy before you even get a chance for

856
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: mature buck to see it. So an ideal situation is

857
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: like a low dear density area where these deer are

858
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: going to be passing in the open long ways away,

859
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 1: and you just call to that mature buck when you

860
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: see him, and then he travels towards you and you

861
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: can use a decoy that way. That's that's kind of

862
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: an ideal setup. So I don't use a decoy in Michigan.

863
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: I've used them in Ohio in Iowa though, you know

864
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: when I've got that different set of circumstances. So that's

865
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: my two cents on decoys. Is that that I'll make

866
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: sense to you guys? It did cool? Sounded sounded great,

867
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: all right? Question Question number two comes from John Z.

868
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: John Z says listening to your trips West has inspired

869
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: me to hunt new areas of public land. I'm planning

870
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: a backpack whitetail rut hunt and I had a few

871
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: questions for you. Number one, how do you keep your

872
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: weight down for packing in when you're carrying in a

873
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: stand and sticks and a tent and camping gear. Um?

874
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 1: And then he asked if I've got a standard gear

875
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: list for a three night trip um, and he just

876
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: says he's not a backpack RSIs is all kind of

877
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: new to me. Doesn't want to leave out any essentials,

878
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: but I also don't want to pack anything unnecessary. Um,

879
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: so Dan, you do a lot of packing in with

880
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: your standing sticks. I don't know if you want to

881
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: give me a few thoughts on how do you keep

882
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: your weight down? From that standpoint, um, But but then

883
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: we can also talk about the camping gear side of

884
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: things too, but from I don't know, I mean high level.

885
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: Do you have any thoughts on that day? Yeah, I mean,

886
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: and then I will I'll stick to the gear for

887
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: the actual hunt, not the camping type of stuff. But

888
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: for me, I mean, you hear a lot of people talk, um.

889
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: I I follow um a YouTube guy he has a

890
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: podcast now, but the the d I Y Sportsman, right

891
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: he talks all the time about how to you know,

892
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: lighten your gear load and um make it easier for

893
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: you on on these public land running gun hunts. And

894
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: but for me, like even walking in a mile with

895
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: a very heavy pack, is I'm okay with that? Uh?

896
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: If because I have the right gear, so like I

897
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: have a lone Wolf tree stand and four lone Wolf sticks.

898
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: And then if it's cold out. I have overalls and

899
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: typically a grunt tube and um uh my my rattling

900
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: alers right so close stand and then the stuff that

901
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: goes along with that. Now, I'm not too concerned with weight.

902
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 1: If you are concerned with the way, there's a ton

903
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 1: of different options to to reduce your weight as far

904
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: as gear. Um, you know, I wouldn't sacrifice on the

905
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 1: tree stand and uh part of it only because um,

906
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, certain tree stands are really good for running

907
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: guns setups. Like I always say this, and Mark, I

908
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: know you you use them too, not all the time,

909
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: but the Lone Wolf Man, it's just like it's lightweight.

910
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: It's one of the best stands for a running gun

911
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: type hunt. It's very light. But they also make these

912
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: tree saddles, and I don't know if any of you

913
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: guys have um any experience with those. I know I

914
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: don't personally, But it's basically alignman's belt that an arborist

915
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: would use, and you basically sit down in this sling

916
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: for the entire hunt, and you stand either on your

917
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: top step or on a very small platform. Uh. There's

918
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 1: there's a variety of options like that. Uh. You can

919
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: make alterations to your sticks where you can um puts

920
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: some some rope to extend the sticks, so you're taking

921
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: less sticks with you, but you're still able to gain

922
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: the height of let's say, like four sticks or screwing steps,

923
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 1: um options like that. For me, I don't film my hunts,

924
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: so I am no longer taking in a camera arm.

925
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm no longer taking in a video camera. Maybe again,

926
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: maybe someday that will change, but as of right now,

927
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: that's like ten extra pounds of gear that I'm not

928
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: having to take in because I don't I don't film

929
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: my hunts anymore. Um. You know, although I am a

930
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: huge believer in osonics, so I'm taking that piece of

931
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: equipment with me instead. I mean, it just it just

932
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: is a matter of how far you're gonna be going

933
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: for me in additional ten pounds for having the right

934
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: gear or bringing in some something that makes me more

935
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: makes setting up and tearing down more comfortable. I'm okay

936
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: with adding an additional ten ten fift pounds. Okay, yeah,

937
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: I mean agree when it comes to bring it. If

938
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: you're gonna do a hanging hunt type stand or type

939
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: situation like this, I do highly recommend a high quality

940
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: lightweight stand like I buy super cheap, crappy stands for

941
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: like all of my spots that I'm just setting up

942
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: in the spring or somewhere and leaving up, you know,

943
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: for the year. Like I buy the fourty dollar stands.

944
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 1: I'm that guy that only spends forty bucks on the

945
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: stand for those. But when it comes to my hangings,

946
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 1: my hanging hunt setups, yeah, I'm spending like two hue

947
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: hundred bucks for stand two hundred bucks or sticks or

948
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. So yeah, I've liked the Lone

949
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: Wolf Assault. UM, I've used a muddy outfitter that I've liked. UM.

950
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 1: I've got a new stand I'm gonna try this year,

951
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: the Hawk Helium UM that I'm gonna give a try

952
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: as you know, kind of adding that into the mix.

953
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's good to have a lightweight stand. A

954
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: lightweight stand, I think in my book most of them,

955
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: like twelve pounds eleven pounds something around there or less

956
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: is pretty darn light fir stand. That's what the Lone

957
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: Wolf Assault comes in at. UM. I know the xop

958
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 1: stands are similar. Um you can get their small one

959
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: that's right around eleven pounds. UM. I can't remember what

960
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: this helium ways, but I think it's somewhere around that. Um,

961
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: there's a millennium stand that's super lightweight that I remember

962
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: seeing an a t A. So, so look into some

963
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: kind of option like that, I'd recommend, because if you're

964
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: backpacking in with not only all of your hunting gear,

965
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: but then also gear to sleep with, um, that is

966
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: going to be a heavy pack. I thought about doing

967
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: a backpack whitetail hunt. UM. I was actually thinking about

968
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: like next year maybe like going out west backing backpacking

969
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: in and doing this kind of thing. I mean, that

970
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: would be a really cool hunt, but it would be,

971
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: uh man, a lot of crap to take in there,

972
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: because then imagine if you shoot a buck, then you

973
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta pack the buck out, just like get

974
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 1: an elk or something, and then you gotta go back

975
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: in and get all your other gear. You know. It's

976
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: just like an elk hunt or a mule deer hunt,

977
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: except where you're adding all your tree stand type set

978
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: up stuff with it too. So, um, Spencer, do you

979
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: have any thoughts on that? Yeah, I guess like if

980
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: you're doing a backpack trip hunt like that. Obviously the

981
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: three most crucial things to to kill a deer's your

982
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 1: bow arrow and release and like the easiest of those

983
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: to break or lose as you release, So just have

984
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: an extra one with you, Like I found that. I'll

985
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: even forget it just on my haunts around here. Um.

986
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: And I mean it could just ruin at night, because

987
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do about it. So I just

988
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: have like a release I keep in my backpack all

989
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,439
Speaker 1: the time. Um. And that I could save a guy

990
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: a real headache if you were going to backpack in

991
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: somewhere for like four or five days and that breaks

992
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: down on you. Good suck. A good point. That's a

993
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: very good point. And that I was actually gonna say,

994
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: you know, my my next piece of advice was gonna

995
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: be don't bring anything that's not absolutely necessary. But you're right,

996
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: there's a few pieces that are like easily that could

997
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: easily break, um, that might not be worth having a backup. Um.

998
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: Sometimes I do a lot of backpacking. I do a

999
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: lot of stuff like this, and I'm always a minimalist,

1000
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: and that I try to take as little as I

1001
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: possibly can, because if you start taking everything, we're like,

1002
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,520
Speaker 1: I might need it. Oh, that'd be nice to have

1003
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: if you do that, if you make that decision for

1004
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 1: like five or six or seven different things to start

1005
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: adding up, all of a sudden, you've got pounds and

1006
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: pounds and pounds of extra weight, and it does make

1007
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: a big difference. Um. But like last summer, we're going

1008
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 1: on a backpacking trip, and usually I just bring one layer,

1009
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: one set of clothes. My wife and I. You know,

1010
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: it's just you wear what you're walking with. You don't

1011
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: bring anything else. You bring additional layers for colder weather,

1012
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: but that's it. So she brought only one pair of pants,

1013
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,760
Speaker 1: and we go hiking way up into this big alpine

1014
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: basin in Wyoming, and we crossed a river, a creek

1015
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: type deal stream, I guess kind of it's in between.

1016
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: And my wife fell off of a rock, crashed into

1017
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: the stream and got completely soaked. And it was almost

1018
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: dark and there was snow everywhere. It was really cold

1019
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: up there, and it was gonna be like a freezing

1020
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: cold night, and she had just soaked her entire lower half. Um,

1021
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: and she didn't have any extra clothes at all. So

1022
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 1: if she didn't have anything extra, she would have had

1023
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: a really miserable rest of the night. But luckily, one

1024
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: of our friends was with us and she was more

1025
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: new to backpacking, and she ignored my advice to only

1026
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: bring one set of clothes, and she had brought extras.

1027
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: And in that case we were very glad she brought

1028
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,799
Speaker 1: extras because now my wife had a dry pair closes

1029
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: to where that night instead of freezing soaking wet in

1030
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: her sleeping bag that night. So sometimes it does pay

1031
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: to have some extra stuff. I would still recommend in general,

1032
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: try to be as minimalless as possible when doing something

1033
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:21,400
Speaker 1: like this. Um. You know, when it comes to backpacking gear,

1034
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: stuff can be expensive, but paying to get lower weight stuff,

1035
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, lighter weight things, it does in the end

1036
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: pay off if you're going to do enough of this

1037
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. So if you're going in one time,

1038
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to spend thousands of dollars on

1039
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 1: new backpacking gear. Maybe try to rent something. A lot

1040
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: of sporting goods stores rent some of the stuff, or

1041
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: borrow something from friends. But if you're gonna be doing

1042
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: backpacking trips like this often every year, I'm a big

1043
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: believer now that I've been doing it for so long

1044
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: to you know, suck it up. If you can save

1045
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: a little money or invest in nice things over time.

1046
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: So this year, no, you're gonna have a heavy tent,

1047
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have a nice lightweight sleeping bag or

1048
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: something like that, and slowly make your way to you

1049
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: can afford to have some of these things. But a

1050
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: good quality lightweight sleeping bag, a good quality lightweight tent,

1051
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: a good quality lightweight sleeping pad, a few things like

1052
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: that are worth spending money on. In my opinion, it's

1053
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 1: gonna make it a lot more enjoyable because if you're

1054
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: living out there, those things really make the difference, especially

1055
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: when you get in early weather. I mean, Dan, you

1056
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: know what happens when you don't have a high quality

1057
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: tent in gnarly weather on a backpacking hunt, right, You

1058
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: get to know one of your best friends really well,

1059
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: really well, Hey, Mark, can I sleep in here with

1060
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: you tonight? Yeah? Um so so that would be my recommendation.

1061
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: I Um, I could run through a whole list of

1062
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: different gear. Um that would take too much time. So

1063
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: maybe I'll try to fol up on this with a

1064
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: little bit more. But I actually do have a blog

1065
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: post that I wrote up for Wired Hunt in this

1066
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: past spring, I think, which listed all the gear I

1067
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: use for a d I y out of state white

1068
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: tent hunt, like a camping hunt. And I listed some

1069
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: of the things, um that you could do for backpacking hunt.

1070
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: So you want like a good lightweight backpacking stove like

1071
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: I use the MSR Pocket Rocket. I use ri I

1072
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: half dome uh plus tent that's a pretty decent, relatively

1073
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: affordable backpacking tent I use. I got a new sleeping

1074
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: bag this year that I love. It's a Mormot Never Summer.

1075
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: Got my first down sleeping bag and man worth the money.

1076
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: It's like luxuriously nice. I use a therm Arrest Neo

1077
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: Light Neo air x Light sleeping pad again, super lightweight,

1078
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 1: super small. Um. It took me time to get these

1079
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: nicer pieces. But something to think about. And if you've

1080
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 1: got more gear questions, feel free to shoot me a note.

1081
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: I will try to answer those more specifically, but I

1082
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: don't want to don't want to dwell too much on

1083
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: all that. But man, I think it's a cool idea.

1084
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: I think John's in for a super fun hunt. Um.

1085
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: I would definitely like to do somebody that in the future.

1086
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: Do you guys want the next question? Paula Paula has

1087
00:55:54,680 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: a question. Paula and is a avid female hunter, and

1088
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: she watched one of the wild podcasts that I do

1089
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: with Matt Jury and Terry Jury, and we were talking

1090
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: about making mock mock scrapes, and she says she's anxious

1091
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: to try using mox scrapes and see what it brings in.

1092
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: But one thing that we didn't touch on is if

1093
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: we use any attractance in our mock scrapes, and if so,

1094
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: how many should you use? Um? And how many scrapes

1095
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: should actually make in a certain area in a large

1096
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: or small area. Do either you guys use mox scrapes.

1097
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 1: I think you do a little bit, Dan, Right, Yeah, man,

1098
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: I just I'm kind of fading out of all that stuff.

1099
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: I feel. UM, mock scrapes I think might be good

1100
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: if you do it right for trail getting maybe something

1101
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 1: in front of a trail camera. But there's a lot

1102
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: of risk to doing that, especially if the way I

1103
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,720
Speaker 1: look at it is a lot of these people are

1104
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the people who are using mock scrapes.

1105
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: Let's say you're going into hunt that day, then you're walking.

1106
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: Let's say you're gonna hunt over a scrape, so you're

1107
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: walking over there to freshen it up right before, or

1108
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: hanging something off the licking branch, or sprinkling something in

1109
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: the scrape itself. You're running the risk of contaminating that

1110
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: area with your scent, right. So it's it's it's like

1111
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: a it's risk. It's a it's a risk that I

1112
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: don't know if it's it's worth it for me anyway,

1113
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: I've done it in the past. I've had a lot

1114
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: of you know, your three year old and younger's come

1115
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: through and and investigate. But I'll be honest, I've never

1116
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 1: had a mature buck, a big mature buck investigate a

1117
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: a mock scrape that I've made. Let's say that day,

1118
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: um come investigate right in front of my trees day

1119
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: and I've got him on trail camera doing it. But

1120
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: it's nothing that's ever helped me seal the deal, um,

1121
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: towards that, you know, for actually getting the shot. Most

1122
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: of it, you know, comes down to tree stand position

1123
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: and whether or not you're in the right location. Yeah, yeah,

1124
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: I tend to agree with you on a lot of that. UM.

1125
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: I really only look at mock scrapes for two reasons. One,

1126
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: I use them to get trail camera inventory. So you

1127
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: know we've talked about this before, but like on my

1128
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: on the properties that I can plant food plots. So

1129
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: I've gotten now two properties of Michigan where have food plots.

1130
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 1: I've got a Southern Michigan property I have permission on,

1131
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: and then i have a Northern Michigan property that's been

1132
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: in my family. And both of those and now we've

1133
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: been able to plant plots in those situations, I either

1134
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: create a mock scrape on a tree that's along the

1135
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: edge of it or so I've done that on the

1136
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: Northern Michigan properties and on the Southern Michigan property, I

1137
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: put a fake scrape tree actually out in the middle

1138
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: of the plot because those are bigger plots, and I'm

1139
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: using that to a help me get pictures of bucks

1140
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: that are coming into that food plot. I'm giving them

1141
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: a piece of structure to come to, which very often

1142
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: they do, and that allows me to more consistently get

1143
00:58:58,040 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: pictures of the deer that come through there. But then

1144
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: also it does give me a little bit, maybe a

1145
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: couple of percentage points more of a chance that buck

1146
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: might come to within shooting range when he enters that

1147
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: food plot. And or that he stops for a shot,

1148
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: so I put those in all my food plots. Um.

1149
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: And then the only other situation where I'm using the

1150
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: mock scrape would be I do this sometimes not all

1151
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: the time, but I'm never going in there often like

1152
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: re setting it up or anything like that. The only

1153
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: other situation is I have mock scrapes over trail camera locations,

1154
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: different places scattered throughout the property. And then sometimes with

1155
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: tree stands sites, I will clear out a mock scrape

1156
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: like right when if I'm setting that stand up maybe

1157
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: um before the season, even lots of times those will

1158
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: continue to get used even if you set it up

1159
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: in August or September or something like that. Um And

1160
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: just as like a little sweetener, So there's a reason

1161
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: maybe for a buck to stop for a few seconds

1162
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 1: as he's already passing through, and that will give me

1163
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: the shot. So it's not like I'm using that to

1164
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: draw in a deer from some far off location and

1165
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: like that's why I'm hunting here. I'm hunting in a

1166
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: specific location for many different reasons. That mock scrape there

1167
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 1: is just hopefully maybe a little thing that makes him

1168
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: stop for a second or that makes him come three

1169
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: yards closer, giving me a better shot. Um. That's how

1170
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm using it as far as sense. Um, that was

1171
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 1: kind of her main question. Do I use the attractants?

1172
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: I don't use a bunch of attractings and mock scrapes.

1173
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: I've tried, you know, back in the day, I tried,

1174
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, the doin estra stuff. I tried the drippers. Um.

1175
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: This year, all I've used, and I've only done this

1176
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: for my trail camera setups on a couple of spots,

1177
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: I've tried preorbital gland scent. So this is the scent

1178
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: that comes from the preorbital gland, that's the gland up

1179
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: around the eye forehead on a buck. On a deer, um,

1180
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: and they tend to rub this this Uh, this stuff

1181
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: gets on the licking branch of a scrape when a

1182
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: when a deer's in their nosing around looking around up

1183
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: on those scrape those liking branches. UM. So I've heard

1184
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people talk about how

1185
01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: you put this preorbital gland scent on a linking branch.

1186
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: A lot of bucks in the area will come in

1187
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: and check get out. Um, it'll be more likely to

1188
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: come in and check it out. So far, I have

1189
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: not seen any kind of like incredible difference in the

1190
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: trail camera patrires I'm getting on those mock scrapes using

1191
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: the scent um. So at this point I'm not a

1192
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: huge believer. But that's just anecdotal. It's only been on

1193
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: set of experiences so far, so I want to continue

1194
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: trying to use it in these couple setups about the

1195
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,600
Speaker 1: rest of the year. When I go to those trail

1196
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: caramel locations, I'll add a little more sent in just

1197
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: in case. Because I'm only going there in very specific cases.

1198
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: I'm not going very often, but when I do, I

1199
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: will dab it a little more in there and see

1200
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: what happens. Um. But up to you know, otherwise, I

1201
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: just take a piss in it. I take a p

1202
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: in the scrape, and that's been enough for me. Research

1203
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 1: has proven that doesn't spook dear After a little bit.

1204
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: It smells no different than you know, a dear yearine

1205
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: in there. So that's my take on it, Spencer, anything

1206
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 1: else you'd add, I agree with you guys on that

1207
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: it's like a really good way to get you know,

1208
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: buck inventory. But as far as hunting, there's just not

1209
01:01:58,120 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: a ton of value there. Um, But trailer cameras, I

1210
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: love hanging trail cameras on ox scrapes. You go over

1211
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 1: a rubber or something and you're gonna get really blurry

1212
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: pictures and then it's like very seasonal, whereas like scrapes,

1213
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: you know, pretty much the whole month of October and

1214
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: put it on food you're gonna get you know, enviromints

1215
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: and doughs and stuff like that. Um. So that's why

1216
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: I think scrapes are great for trail cameras. But like

1217
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: I said, not a ton of hunting value. Yeah. Well,

1218
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,880
Speaker 1: let's let's take for a second and talk about like

1219
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: statistics and remember that where are you going to find

1220
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: a majority of scrapes. They're going to be on a

1221
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 1: field edge setting. When do big bucks come and visit

1222
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: field edge type settings? Typically after dark? So it's not

1223
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,720
Speaker 1: gonna help you any to use some kind of scent

1224
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: in a scrape if where you're actually hunting, isn't a

1225
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: scenario that a big buck is gonna come visit, um

1226
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 1: in that in shooting hours so to speak. Yeah, yeah, definitely, Yeah,

1227
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean I think a lot of those big field

1228
01:03:05,640 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: age type situations. For sure, that's just you're gonna see

1229
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: those scrapes mock scrapes or real scrapes, and people get

1230
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: all excited about them. But yeah, lots of times if

1231
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: it's why in the wide opencent the time that's getting

1232
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 1: hit after dark and and big bucks aren't using scrapes

1233
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 1: the entire rut they break off, they're not scraping when

1234
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 1: they're tending a dough. So so again that time frame

1235
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 1: during the rut when most people are hunting is it's

1236
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,280
Speaker 1: almost like, yeah, it's good early season and and hopefully

1237
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: maybe there's a buck visiting a scrape. But in the rut,

1238
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, the let's say the ruts two weeks long

1239
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: or three weeks long, Uh, they're breeding doughs in that,

1240
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: and so they're not hitting that scrape every day. They

1241
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 1: might uh while they're looking for does, but when when

1242
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: they hit that, So that just more time that a

1243
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 1: buck's not using its great. Yeah, I think I think

1244
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: that the the research I've seen has shown that scraping

1245
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: behavior kind of slowly starts ramping up through October, and

1246
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: it peaks around that last week of October, like the

1247
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: twenty three through somewhere around there, tends to be the

1248
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 1: peak of actual visiting scrapes purposely and and working them

1249
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,439
Speaker 1: for bucks um, and then it tends a tail off

1250
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: after that, like you said, during the rut. I think

1251
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: the one situation, and it's the one we've been talking about,

1252
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: is like if a buck is already coming through an

1253
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 1: area already because he's looking for doze or whatever it

1254
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: might be, and he happens to be walking near a

1255
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: licking branch in a scrape, many times he'll he'll he'll

1256
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:43,080
Speaker 1: move four yards closer to get a quick whiff of

1257
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 1: that and smell it, or he'll circle down wind of

1258
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: it to get a whiff of it um. Because that's

1259
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: kind of a you know, it's a it's a community

1260
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: like signpost of ways. There's lots of deer that do

1261
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 1: pass through. They're leaving their scent, leaving some kind of message.

1262
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: So I think it can be valuable to have a

1263
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: mock scrape near your setup that maybe you just maybe

1264
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 1: you made sure there's a lick branch available in the summer,

1265
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: when you've set up the tree standing and you just say, okay,

1266
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: you know, maybe deer will start making a scrape here

1267
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: and then lo and behold if that ends up happening

1268
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: and you sort of created this mock scrape set up

1269
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: that deer start touching on and you've got a buck

1270
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: that comes through the little pinch point that you're sitting

1271
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: and you happen to have that licking branch there, and

1272
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 1: that's where he stops for two seconds, puts his head

1273
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: up to take a whiff. Whack. There's your shot. So um,

1274
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: it's it can be a nice little sweeteners sometimes, but

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01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 1: you make a great point about the fact that you

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01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: I don't think in most cases you should be centering

1277
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: your whole hunt around something like that. Um. The one

1278
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: situation where some guys like to do this is you

1279
01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 1: hear like a John Eberhart type and and some people

1280
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: like that who who focus on what they call primary

1281
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: scrape areas. So these aren't necessarily mock scrapes. These are

1282
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: areas back and cover where there's a a saturated area

1283
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: of scrapes, so a thick cover area that's kind of

1284
01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: an area of transition though that a lot of deer

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01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 1: passing through. You help a staging are exactly, um, where

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01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: there's numerous scrapes popping up in a small area. Some

1287
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:05,960
Speaker 1: guys swear by that type of spot being a good

1288
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: place to set up. UM. But again, this isn't one

1289
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: of those wide open field type situations where most guys

1290
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: try hunting scrapes. It's a different type scenario. So, uh,

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01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: that's that's that's mark scrapes for We did talk about

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01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,160
Speaker 1: trail cameras though there you were talking Spencer about how

1293
01:06:24,240 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: much we we all kind of talked about it, um.

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01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: But our next We've got another question about trail cameras

1295
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: that I think would be a good one to jump

1296
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: over to. It's from Ben and Ben uh he asks,

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01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm curious about what kind of settings you recommend using

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01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: for trail cameras. I've got five out and I usually

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01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: have a minute delay, but I've actually missed a few bucks,

1300
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: so I was thinking about going down to thirty seconds

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01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: or less. Curious about what your thoughts are on that.

1302
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,600
Speaker 1: And you just have one more question related trail cameras.

1303
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: But let's tackle that first. One time recommendations delay for

1304
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: trail cameras. Uh, Spencer, what's your trail camera you typical

1305
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:02,320
Speaker 1: set up? So almost all of mine are like a

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01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: three shot burst for fifteen seconds, and I don't see

1307
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,520
Speaker 1: any reason to go up to thirty seconds or a minute,

1308
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: unless you're not confident that like your battery life is

1309
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: gonna make it, or that your worried your memory card

1310
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: will fill up. Um, if you don't think those two

1311
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,840
Speaker 1: things are an issue, then I don't think there's a

1312
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: good reason to, you know, not knock it down to

1313
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen second delays. Interesting, All right, what and

1314
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: then see that you do through a three picture burst?

1315
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 1: He said, yes, yep. Do you ever do like a

1316
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: plot scanner mode or you know, the time lapse type

1317
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 1: mode on any of your cameras? Uh No, But that's

1318
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: also just because I don't hunt much for like food

1319
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: plots and stuff like that. Okay, what about you, Dan, Yeah,

1320
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm probably right at that thirty second mark for

1321
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 1: hunting right now if I'm over a mineral station or

1322
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: let's say, like a field edge where I I know,

1323
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: uh so, really, the only scenario that we're talking about

1324
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 1: here is a dough coming through or a line of

1325
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:07,040
Speaker 1: deer coming through, and you're missing the last one. You're missing.

1326
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: What happens whatever time frame from the time that first

1327
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: deer triggers your camera to the you know, let's say

1328
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,599
Speaker 1: the scenario is a dough chasing or a buck chasing

1329
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: a dough. Right, you don't know what buck is chasing

1330
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: that dough through because the dough triggers the camera, and

1331
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: maybe there's a line of bucks or a buck cruising

1332
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: right behind her. So when it comes to at the

1333
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: actual hunting season, I dropped mind down to probably somewhere

1334
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:39,679
Speaker 1: around thirty seconds. Um. But again, placement of how you're

1335
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: placing your trail camera has a lot to do with

1336
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: with that. If you're if all the deer are coming

1337
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: by you broadside, you're going to miss shots no matter

1338
01:08:50,439 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: how fast you have that set, because a deer can

1339
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: walk in long ways and even five seconds right, it

1340
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 1: can walk out of the It can walk out of

1341
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 1: the are the scope of your your trail camera, So

1342
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: be sure to have that trail camera angled down that

1343
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: trail wherever you think that they're going, so you're catching

1344
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: everything at an angle in in a way a bigger area. Right.

1345
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: That's good. You can see what's what, you can see

1346
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: what's behind the dough. That's true. I um, you know,

1347
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: I think that the one situation where I do the

1348
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: minute long delay is in the summer on a place

1349
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: where I can run trail cameras, like you said, Dan

1350
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 1: over bait or mineral. So yeah, I usually do a

1351
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 1: three picture burst one minute delay, because what I get

1352
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 1: lots of times in a situation like that is you

1353
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:43,560
Speaker 1: have the same dough and two fawns sit there for

1354
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: an hour and they use up all your card, all

1355
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 1: your battery um or like in Michigan. Right now you

1356
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: can put a small amount of food or bait out

1357
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:55,160
Speaker 1: and so I will use that like right now to

1358
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,920
Speaker 1: try to get inventory of the bucks. So I put

1359
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: out a little bit of corn in front of these

1360
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: trail cameras to hopefully get a picture of holy Field

1361
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: or whoever when they come in. I'm not going in

1362
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: there more often than that because I don't want the pressure.

1363
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: But in a situation like that, got deer that sit

1364
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: in front of the trail camera for a long time.

1365
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: So right now I've got the long delay and the

1366
01:10:15,120 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 1: three shot burst. I'm gonna switch that down though on

1367
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: these sealt cameras once that's gone and now, because now

1368
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 1: I'm just looking for movement that comes to the food

1369
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: plot or hits the scrape tree. So then I'll move

1370
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: down to a thirty second delay. And to your point, Spencer,

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01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: I think if you're if you've got a trail camera

1372
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: set up, you know, in a transition area or something,

1373
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 1: we're deer gonna be passing through and out of it

1374
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,639
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. I agree a fifteen second delay or something

1375
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 1: like that should be fine to give you a better

1376
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: chance of getting more pictures, because you're right, there's not

1377
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: gonna be any deer that's sit there for forever chewing

1378
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 1: up all your battery. Um. So I think, Ben, I

1379
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: think you can definitely move down to less than a

1380
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,840
Speaker 1: minute delay in a situation, as long as it's not

1381
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: on a food like a you know, pile of corn

1382
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: or mineral or something like that, that it's gonna hold

1383
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: deer for a super long time. Now, his his next

1384
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: question is foul up question. He says, Since I've got you,

1385
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 1: I'll ask one more. Yeah, oh, Ben, he said, And

1386
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:13,200
Speaker 1: this was in August three, he said this, So this

1387
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 1: is a very timely response. In Mark Kenyon world, he's

1388
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 1: getting a month delay. That's pretty good. Um. He says

1389
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: that he checked his cameras about two and a half

1390
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:24,919
Speaker 1: weeks ago, so in mid August he checked these cameras

1391
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: and all of his buck sightings were in the morning.

1392
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: He thought that was sort of unusual. Some were located

1393
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,960
Speaker 1: on mineral sites on a food plot, and some were

1394
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 1: just mineral sites on trails. His question was, what do

1395
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: you think about that? And then should that, you know,

1396
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: impact tom hunting when the season opens. My thoughts are,

1397
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: you know, whatever you're seeing in mid August doesn't really

1398
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: matter for your hunting season. You know, if let's say

1399
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: right now, he's listening to this now, at this point,

1400
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:54,920
Speaker 1: he's not hunting, you know, until late September or early

1401
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: octoberd depending on when his season opened. I can't remember where.

1402
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if he told me what state he

1403
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: was in. UM, So I wouldn't I wouldn't read too

1404
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: much into that because patterns in mid August are very

1405
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,360
Speaker 1: different than patterns in late September or early October. So

1406
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,240
Speaker 1: you need to reassess what those deer during the are

1407
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: doing during the fall. Um. We've had the debate many

1408
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: times between me and Dan about that, the efficacy of

1409
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: hunting a morning hunt versus an evening hunt in the

1410
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: early season. UM, that's a debate we can have again

1411
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: maybe at some other point. But UM, but I think

1412
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't read too much into it. Reassess now, be

1413
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 1: very careful with trying to If you want to hunt

1414
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: in the morning, be very, very very careful about it

1415
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 1: because it's tough to get in there before bucks. Do

1416
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: make sure you're not spooking deer when you're heading in

1417
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: ah Dan, would you add anything else to that, Well,

1418
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: I don't know. Worry um worry hunts, but uh, be

1419
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 1: careful where your mineral stations are in relationship to your

1420
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: tree stands. I don't know why that that just popped

1421
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,759
Speaker 1: into my hand. In Iowa, they can't really even be close.

1422
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: So or if a trail leads from the from let's

1423
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: say a field edge to where your mineral station is

1424
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 1: and leads back to a tree stand, you can't You

1425
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: can't have that in Iowa, So be careful with that.

1426
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 1: But as far as where the deer are now or

1427
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: were will they be there in a month? For me,

1428
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 1: there is a huge shift. And I can only speak

1429
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: for the properties that I hunt right now this time

1430
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: in September, probably a week ago. There is a huge shift.

1431
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 1: Once that the antlers are hard and they start to

1432
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: break away from their bachelor groups, there's a huge shift

1433
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 1: in where the deer are going not so much with

1434
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: the does, which is good because when the rut hits,

1435
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: you're you know where the dope groups are, and that's

1436
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: where where you want to at least start. But for

1437
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,439
Speaker 1: for individual bucks man, it's hard to tell what it's

1438
01:13:56,439 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: even gonna be on my property because the the antlers,

1439
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: the antlers become hard. It's time to establish dominance, who

1440
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: get who gets what area of the farm, because that's

1441
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,880
Speaker 1: what that's the first thing that happens. Once the bucks

1442
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: shed their velvet, they established dominance, whether that's fighting or

1443
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: whether that is just showing aggression and posture. The buxer

1444
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: are changing based off of a hierarchy, you know, a

1445
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 1: hierarchy of who's the most badass. Yeah, they're establishing that

1446
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:34,920
Speaker 1: hierarchy now for sure. And that that shift is pretty universal, Um,

1447
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 1: pretty universal across the country. That happens when that when

1448
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: velvet sheds, you get that September shift. Um. How far

1449
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: those deer shift can very oftentimes vary. It can vary

1450
01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: based on habitat. You know, some places they need to

1451
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: move much further. Some places it's it's more of us

1452
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 1: an individual deer. Some bucks some bucks do stay. I

1453
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: don't know anecdotally, I feel like I've not seen what

1454
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: the actual numbers if there's research that shows this, But anecdotally,

1455
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: I feel like forty percent, maybe almost fifty of bucks

1456
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: that I've got on trail camera in the summer will

1457
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,560
Speaker 1: probably disappear in September and move somewhere different. Um it

1458
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: might be more. Yeah, so you're gonna get a You're

1459
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 1: gonna get a big change. And that's a good point

1460
01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: because it does depend on the habitat you have. Like

1461
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 1: if you've got a property it's premost summer habitat, but

1462
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: you don't have good fall cover or fall food that

1463
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 1: could also influence how much of a shift you see. Um.

1464
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:30,320
Speaker 1: So that's that's all. That's all great stuff, Spencer, What

1465
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: do you think anything different? No, I'm already move on perfect. Well,

1466
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,679
Speaker 1: then I've got a perfect question for you, because we've

1467
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: got a question from Kevin b who is rapidly trying

1468
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: to catch up on all of our Michigan related podcasts,

1469
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: but he can't seem to find one that talks about

1470
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: tips to get a dead white tail off of public

1471
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: land without the use of motorized vehicles. So he's wondering

1472
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 1: if we can point in the right direction of a

1473
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 1: podcast where we've talked about that, or if we can

1474
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: just answer it. And I think we just answer it.

1475
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: He's wondering if we just drey I got out a

1476
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: deer off public land, or do we quarter them like

1477
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: out West. I know you do some of this kind

1478
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 1: of stuff, Spencer, what do you do typically? I'm not

1479
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 1: hunting anything that's like super huge for him. I'm backpacking

1480
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: anything like that. And so what we do a lot

1481
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 1: around here is we have those big deer cards UM

1482
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: and Hawk makes a really good one, has four wheels,

1483
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 1: and that makes getting your deer out super easy. The

1484
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,519
Speaker 1: problem is it's all the way back at the truck UM,

1485
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: so you're making an extra trip, but you know, it

1486
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,599
Speaker 1: makes getting that deer out a lot easier. Now, there

1487
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 1: can sometimes be problems with that in that Like in

1488
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: South Dakota, we have some pieces of public ground that

1489
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,880
Speaker 1: are called w I a walk in area UM, and

1490
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: they are very literal about that, meaning I talked to

1491
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 1: a game one one time about potentially biking in on

1492
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: a piece of ground to haunt a little bit deeper,

1493
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:52,160
Speaker 1: and he said, well, technically walking area means foot traffic only.

1494
01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: And he's so he said, is that legal? No? Whatever,

1495
01:16:56,400 --> 01:16:59,800
Speaker 1: write you a ticket? No. And so I think this

1496
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:02,480
Speaker 1: anything kind of goes with that. If those wheeled carts

1497
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: are allowed in your area and you're not hunting anything

1498
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,120
Speaker 1: that's like super dramatic topography. Uh, those are a really

1499
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 1: good option for getting a deer out. Have you used

1500
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 1: that hawk one yet? Because I just saw like a

1501
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,600
Speaker 1: video of it and it looked pretty cool. Um, but

1502
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 1: I haven't used it. I have not used that one yet. Um.

1503
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: I've used other ones in the past, like Cabella's makes

1504
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:25,439
Speaker 1: one and stuff, and they just work really nice as

1505
01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: long as you're not like rolling over dead timber all

1506
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: the time or you know, trying to get out of

1507
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: like a deep drainage. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't used one

1508
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: of the carts, um, but I have used growing up,

1509
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: we hunted. So so I've talked in the past about

1510
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 1: this little piece of property that my grandpa bought thirty

1511
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: some years ago that I grew up learning the deer

1512
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 1: hunt on, and that little piece of private that my

1513
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 1: family owned owns um is adjacent to a bunch of

1514
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: public lands, so I grew up. Actually I've really talked

1515
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,080
Speaker 1: about this, but really most of the hunting I did

1516
01:17:56,120 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: there actually wasn't even on our private land. Most of

1517
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 1: it was on the public land all around there. I

1518
01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: just never like thought anything about it. I just thought

1519
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,840
Speaker 1: this was just where we hunted. I never really processed

1520
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:06,799
Speaker 1: the fact that this was something special. This is public

1521
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: land and all that, um that was available to us

1522
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: for free. But um so, we used to go way

1523
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 1: deep into this public stuff and we just used to

1524
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,720
Speaker 1: take whenever someone shot a buck back there, we just

1525
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: had an old plastic like toboggan like sled and you

1526
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 1: would just take that sled in there, and then that

1527
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: would make things a little bit easier getting out because

1528
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 1: this was like swampy stuff, so it's pretty slick, wet

1529
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,840
Speaker 1: ground grass, and you could slide, you know, a deer

1530
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:34,640
Speaker 1: on that sled a lot easier than if you were

1531
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,400
Speaker 1: dragging him. Um So that worked well for us back

1532
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:40,320
Speaker 1: then and now today. What I bought last year when

1533
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: I went out to Montana, because I knew I could

1534
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: potentially have a really long haul to get a buck out,

1535
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: I bought this thing that's called the deer So I

1536
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: was just gonna buy a sled. I was gonna do

1537
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: the old sledge trick. So I just looked for sled

1538
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: or something like that online and then I end up

1539
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 1: somehow getting suggested something called the deer sligh or like

1540
01:18:57,080 --> 01:18:58,799
Speaker 1: the deer slayer. I think it's what it was called.

1541
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: And it was basically a sled specifically made for this situation.

1542
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: And really, when I say sled, it's not really sled,

1543
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: it's it's like a I talked about this maybe last year. Dan,

1544
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,240
Speaker 1: you might remember I referred to it as like a

1545
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: deer burrito. It is. It's basically the rolled up piece

1546
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: of thick plastic sheeting, really thick plastic sheeting that has

1547
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: grommels on the like imagine like a hot dog bun

1548
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: kind of like, so we're talking long ways hot dog bun.

1549
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,920
Speaker 1: There's grommels along the long side so that you can

1550
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: lay a deer lengthwise in the burrito. Then you fold

1551
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: a burrito up around it, and then you tie you know,

1552
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: para cord through those gramats to tighten them in there.

1553
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: And then there's a big piece of cord on the

1554
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: front that you can drag that deer out with um

1555
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:40,519
Speaker 1: and that worked pretty darn good. It's a lightweight to

1556
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:43,680
Speaker 1: walk in there with. It gives you know, deals with

1557
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: that friction, so it's a lot easier to slide them through.

1558
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:47,720
Speaker 1: That helped out. The one thing that sucked about it

1559
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 1: was the handle. It was just a piece of rope

1560
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 1: and that really dug into your hands. So in a

1561
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: perfect world, I would I meant to fix this this year.

1562
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: I didn't do it, but I would have liked to

1563
01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:58,599
Speaker 1: put like a water ski handle on it or something,

1564
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,519
Speaker 1: so you've got a nice comfortable handle to pull with

1565
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: while you're hauling the deer out with. But um, that's

1566
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: what I'm using. I haven't had a quarter a white

1567
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,519
Speaker 1: tail up um yet, I haven't done a trip that

1568
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,280
Speaker 1: far in but like we talked about earlier, that would

1569
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 1: be pretty cool, So at some point that might be

1570
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: the case. But I think if you've got like less

1571
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,080
Speaker 1: than a couple of mile haul out, I think something

1572
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:21,040
Speaker 1: like the deer burrito or game cards a good way

1573
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 1: to go. So um they have those. It's like a

1574
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:29,120
Speaker 1: it's almost like a harness that you wear and then

1575
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 1: it has a couple of care beaners on the back,

1576
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 1: and then you wrap it around a deer's head or

1577
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: his antlers and it's almost like you're pulling it yep,

1578
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: like a like a horse. Lay, have you tried one

1579
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 1: of those? No, we um my buddy, we we know

1580
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:49,080
Speaker 1: the man by the name of Further, My buddy, further

1581
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: bought one of those. And so I killed the buck

1582
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: a few years ago in our Ohio property and he

1583
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,400
Speaker 1: brought that and so let's try this out. And it

1584
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: just the one we use. It just wasn't well made.

1585
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,560
Speaker 1: I think it was really flimsy and still like the

1586
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: straps just dug into you like crazy, into your shoulders,

1587
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:10,559
Speaker 1: and the line that goes back to the deer wasn't,

1588
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, at the good length. So either it was

1589
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,479
Speaker 1: too close to you so the antlers are jabbing in

1590
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 1: the back of your legs, or so long that just

1591
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 1: the way the weight pulled on you it was super uncomfortable.

1592
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 1: So we're dragging across this field and then like halfway

1593
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: across the property, I all of a sudden, and this

1594
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 1: is how much of an idiot we are. I all

1595
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,240
Speaker 1: of a sudden realized, you know, we could just talk

1596
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 1: to the landowner and probably drive our trucks out here

1597
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: because there's a cut bean field, there's nothing out there, Like,

1598
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 1: why the heck aren't we just driving our truck out

1599
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: to get it, so we we call the landowner. He's like,

1600
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:43,000
Speaker 1: oh yeah, just drive right on back. So lesson learned

1601
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 1: there different obviously on public land. I'm I'm what you

1602
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: would call a badass, So I typically just throw the

1603
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:55,559
Speaker 1: deer ungutted over my shoulders and then just walk out

1604
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 1: of the timber normally. Yeah, I can totally see that

1605
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: being what you would do. That's that seems like a

1606
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,919
Speaker 1: smart move for sure. Of course I would take selfies

1607
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:07,720
Speaker 1: the entire time to prove that as well. Instagram. Man,

1608
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: gotta gotta make that Instagram. I've cut the sleeves off

1609
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 1: of my shirt before I did that. Stand on top

1610
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,839
Speaker 1: of the mountain, make the picture happen, alright, Next question,

1611
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 1: Next question is from next question? What the heck is

1612
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 1: this gonna say? This guy's from Josh. This is Josh D.

1613
01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:29,000
Speaker 1: Not to be confused with Josh further Um. Josh D

1614
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: says that his buddy and him are making their first

1615
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: trip to Kansas this year. They're gonna be up there

1616
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 1: in November five th eleven. They're super excited about it,

1617
01:22:37,960 --> 01:22:41,799
Speaker 1: but they are very uneducated on hunting Midwest style because

1618
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:45,680
Speaker 1: they are from Alabama. They're hunting hardwood drawls as he

1619
01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:49,360
Speaker 1: calls them in pine ridges, And he's wondering about a

1620
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: few things. Number one, what types of cold weather gear

1621
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: should he have in his arsenal for November five through

1622
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 1: eleventh hunt in Kansas? Number two? What kinds of train

1623
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,679
Speaker 1: features should he be targeting Kansas that time of year?

1624
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: And then number three, we had a whole lot going here.

1625
01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:06,679
Speaker 1: Number three. He says that there's gonna be a full

1626
01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: moon on November four, so he's wondering how that's gonna

1627
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:14,440
Speaker 1: affect his hunting. Should he be focusing just on mornings um?

1628
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 1: Or does that not mean the morning is gonna be

1629
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,400
Speaker 1: so good? He also has some questions about using decoys.

1630
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:21,479
Speaker 1: We already covered that, so we won't go anymore on

1631
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: the on the decoy questions. So I guess number one

1632
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 1: cold weather gear for out there. Number two terrain features.

1633
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: Number three, let's talk about the timing of the rut

1634
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 1: and if the moon impacts it at all? All right,

1635
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 1: that's what we're going with your guys. While I got you, Yeah,

1636
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 1: while I got you exactly? Uh, anyone wanted to tackle

1637
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 1: the cold weather gear? Any any thoughts there? I think

1638
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: you're the expert, aren't you? Mark? Well, I can offer

1639
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 1: a few thoughts. Um, this is this is the way

1640
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: you enter a sick good commercial, right. I think all

1641
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: three of us are are rocking the sick of gear,

1642
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: so we have some experience there and and yes they

1643
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: are our sponsor, but I really do think they've got

1644
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 1: some incredible stuff. But what we'll just keep it general.

1645
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 1: Whatever kind of clothing brand you would like to use,

1646
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: we use sick un We love it. But whatever you're

1647
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,759
Speaker 1: gonna use. Number one, make sure you have a good

1648
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: synthetic or wool bass layer. Do not wear a cotton

1649
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: bass layer because that's you're gonna sweat no matter what.

1650
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: When you're walking in there in the morning or in

1651
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 1: the evening, you're probably gonna get sweaty. If you get sweaty,

1652
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 1: that means you're getting wet. And if you're getting wet,

1653
01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: you're not able to stay warm. So where a base layer,

1654
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna wick away that moisture. That's number one. Number

1655
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: two I would recommend some kind of easily packable insulation layer.

1656
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,799
Speaker 1: So when you're walking in the morning of the evening,

1657
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:42,400
Speaker 1: you want to be wearing as little as you possibly

1658
01:24:42,439 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: can so you reduce how much you sweat. So you

1659
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: want to pack in whatever your warm layer is, So

1660
01:24:48,360 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: that could be like a some type of puffy vest

1661
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 1: or puffy jacket or whatever it might be. Try to

1662
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 1: have something that you can put in your backpack or

1663
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: throw over your shoulder and it's not like this huge

1664
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: thing you got to carry around with you. Make search

1665
01:25:00,280 --> 01:25:02,920
Speaker 1: something that's gonna be nice and insulated. So so for me,

1666
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 1: like a cold weather rutt hunt, that is going to

1667
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: be for me like a fanatic vest or a fanatic jacket,

1668
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 1: um bicycle. And then finally I would recommend some type

1669
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 1: of wind stopping outer layer, so something's gonna cut the wind,

1670
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of what we're getting when

1671
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: it comes to being cold and uncomfortable out there, especially

1672
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:23,960
Speaker 1: in Kansas. Kansas is notoriously windy, so you're definitely gonna

1673
01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 1: want to have something that's gonna cut the wind. Um.

1674
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 1: So again being a sick of guy, we have layers

1675
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: that have gore wind stopper. It's a specific um fabric

1676
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 1: layer in there that stops wind that pretty much completely

1677
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: stops the wind. It's it's terrific. So something like a

1678
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: fanatic jacket or the stratus jacket, something like that, stops

1679
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: that wind. So whatever brand it might be for you,

1680
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 1: try to have a piece like that. Those would be

1681
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 1: a three things I would mention. Um, there's a lot

1682
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: more to keep in mind, but I'll let you guys

1683
01:25:53,960 --> 01:25:57,840
Speaker 1: offer a few thoughts too. Well. Unlike you, Mark, I'll

1684
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: be a company man and say that I love Sitka's

1685
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 1: Incinerator hand muff. Um. Yeah, like for cold weather stuff.

1686
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 1: I absolutely love it for archery specifically because I don't

1687
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,760
Speaker 1: have to wear big bulky gloves and um and keep

1688
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: my hands in there. And it also has like a

1689
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: nice pocket that I inevitably fill up with stuff I

1690
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 1: don't need. Um, Like, I know I'll be hunting this

1691
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: November and find like a turkey call in there or something.

1692
01:26:22,360 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, for cold weather hunts, like I think that's

1693
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:27,800
Speaker 1: a must have. Is is some kind of you know,

1694
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: handwarming system like that. I agree, I've really liked. I

1695
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,720
Speaker 1: don't have the muff, but Further has got one of

1696
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,080
Speaker 1: those muffs and he loves that and um, and I

1697
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 1: wear the Fanac jacket or the Fanac vest and so

1698
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: both of those have that handwarmer pocket like the kangaroo

1699
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,600
Speaker 1: pocket there on your belly. And I've really come to

1700
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 1: like that, So dann any other cold weather suggestions, Dude,

1701
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 1: I am a huge fan of the Calvin Light vest,

1702
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: right that it's it's the I have the ultra light.

1703
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: And I know they make a regular one, and they

1704
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,360
Speaker 1: make a hoodie and they make a jacket, but I

1705
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 1: just have the vest. And that is something that almost instantly,

1706
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 1: you know, you walk into the timber, you got your

1707
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:12,759
Speaker 1: wool or synthetic base layer on your sweating. That wool

1708
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:15,720
Speaker 1: or the synthetic drives you up fairly quick. You're in

1709
01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: your stand. Um, I'll throw on my fanatic coodie and

1710
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:22,760
Speaker 1: then over top of that, I will throw on my

1711
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,760
Speaker 1: uh my ultra light vests and that's I think it's

1712
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 1: down in there. And then um, and then I put

1713
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: my jacket over top of that, and uh, you're good

1714
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 1: to go. I mean, I just that piece, that piece

1715
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 1: particular for me, just works so well and keeps me warm. Um.

1716
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:46,559
Speaker 1: Other than that, a good old fashioned stock and cap. Yeah,

1717
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:48,560
Speaker 1: make sure you've got a good hat, make sure you

1718
01:27:48,640 --> 01:27:54,800
Speaker 1: got good gloves, bring some handwarmers, um, and throw must

1719
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 1: full of coffee. Yeah that might make you poop, but

1720
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's why I don't drink coffee during hunting season.

1721
01:28:04,479 --> 01:28:06,680
Speaker 1: Although although I know that, Dan, you're known to just

1722
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,720
Speaker 1: lean over the side of the stand, even when you

1723
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: have a friend in the tree with you, and just

1724
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: drop a deuce. So shout out, shout out, Ryan Iberg.

1725
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 1: He had to watch this for like a handful of years.

1726
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't a one time deal. It was like like

1727
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: once a week. Oh man, that's one of my favorite.

1728
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: There's there's a few like Dan Johnson is ums or

1729
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,599
Speaker 1: like experiences that never cease to like amaze me, Like

1730
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,719
Speaker 1: I love the poop and story, I love the time

1731
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 1: then you brought the tent that didn't have waterproofness and

1732
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,880
Speaker 1: had to sleep in mind. Um, there's a handful of

1733
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 1: others I can't think of right now, but like, whenever

1734
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: it comes up, it's always worth re sharing because it

1735
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 1: just makes me smile. It just makes me smile out.

1736
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 1: So I'm what you might call it dipshit. Yeah you might,

1737
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 1: you might call that. It's true. So so this guy

1738
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:55,960
Speaker 1: had a couple other questions though, that we should get to. Uh.

1739
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: He said, what terrain features should I be targeting in Kansas?

1740
01:28:59,800 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 1: I will say I've never hunted Kansas, but the one

1741
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: thing I consistently hear about Kansas is that what's supposed

1742
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: to be super cool about hunting out there is that

1743
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 1: in a lot of areas there's relatively minimal cover. There's

1744
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 1: not a lot of cover. It's a lot of open

1745
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: crp or crop fields or different things like that. Because

1746
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: of that, all the cover, the only available cover is

1747
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:23,040
Speaker 1: along little creeks and drainages. So you've got big, wide

1748
01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 1: open fields, rolling hills, and then you've got these drainages

1749
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,000
Speaker 1: that I have the only timber in the area. So

1750
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 1: you've got these little fingers of timber running through these

1751
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 1: big areas. And what I understand, what I hear is

1752
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,559
Speaker 1: that that funnels deer in a really really predictable, easy

1753
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,280
Speaker 1: to figure out way. So so many guys I know

1754
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 1: go out there and you know during the rut that

1755
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 1: they're gonna be running those drainages because that's the only

1756
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 1: cover available, and so it's pretty simple to know where

1757
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 1: to set up. You've got pinch points everywhere. Um, so

1758
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 1: that would be again this is just from hearsay, this

1759
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: is what I hear, but that's something I hear that's

1760
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: just like a dynamite way to get on them during

1761
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 1: the rut. You guys have any thoughts, well, I'll tell you.

1762
01:30:02,920 --> 01:30:06,840
Speaker 1: Um we had a podcast with Andy May remember the

1763
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: he's a he's a big buck killer and my uncle

1764
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: who also lives in Kansas. This is what he's told me. Now,

1765
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 1: because there's not a lot of trees, that doesn't mean

1766
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 1: deer are following these fence lines and these wherever there

1767
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: is a quote unquote field edge where there's these fingers,

1768
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: a timber or these river bottoms, they're using low the

1769
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,439
Speaker 1: lowest possible point, let's say in a flat field to

1770
01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 1: cross as well. So wherever that low spot meets the timber,

1771
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,880
Speaker 1: that might be a good place to set up because

1772
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 1: they'll come in and out of that timber or from

1773
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 1: across the field that you might not be able to

1774
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: see from a road or from um, let's say on

1775
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 1: the opposite side of it, along the along the timber edge,

1776
01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to you know, you find this

1777
01:30:55,680 --> 01:30:58,559
Speaker 1: low spot where they're coming in and out of set up.

1778
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: There another and one way to find that is depending

1779
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,680
Speaker 1: on where you're actually hunting. If you're hunting like a

1780
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:08,879
Speaker 1: big crp um, it might be harder if you're hunting

1781
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,759
Speaker 1: a crop field or a cattle pasture. But if it's

1782
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 1: let's say, like a CRP field, zoom in as close

1783
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:18,519
Speaker 1: as you can on the CRP fields from like Google

1784
01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 1: maps or some other map application digital map application, and

1785
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 1: you will be able to see the trails that these

1786
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,880
Speaker 1: deer are leaving. And um, that would be a good

1787
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:33,320
Speaker 1: place to start. It's a great point. I've done that myself.

1788
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:34,920
Speaker 1: I did that last week while I was in Montana.

1789
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 1: I was trying to you know, hunt new places and

1790
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,439
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where might be it's about to start.

1791
01:31:39,479 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 1: And when you've got those grassy type areas or marshy

1792
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,920
Speaker 1: type of areas where you can see those trails even

1793
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 1: from the maps way up in satellite view. So great point, uh,

1794
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: Mr Newhart. I know he addresses like the full moon

1795
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:57,559
Speaker 1: and and that stuff that time of year, but I

1796
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: guess I wouldn't let that affect his plans to much. UM.

1797
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:03,880
Speaker 1: I think hunting in that range of time, you could

1798
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: just be confident that the deer are going to be moving. Um.

1799
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:10,400
Speaker 1: And like I recently did an article for real for

1800
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: real tree um and talk to like ten white tail

1801
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 1: personalities and very well respected about what specifically is their

1802
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,600
Speaker 1: favorite day of the rut, and I had seven of

1803
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: the ten people pick November five through November ten a

1804
01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:25,000
Speaker 1: date in there. Um. So I I guess I'm just

1805
01:32:25,040 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 1: making a point that I wouldn't worry too much about

1806
01:32:27,360 --> 01:32:30,160
Speaker 1: the full moon because that's as good as it gets

1807
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:33,880
Speaker 1: during that time frame. So don't let that, you know,

1808
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:37,719
Speaker 1: change your mind about where you're gonna hunt. Yeah, especially

1809
01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,760
Speaker 1: the only other option. I mean, even if we were

1810
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: to say, hey man, you know, don't hunt that full

1811
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 1: moon or whatever. What's he gonna do when he's coming

1812
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 1: from Alabama to Kansas? Not hunt? That's not an option.

1813
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,560
Speaker 1: That's not an option if you're if you're doing a

1814
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: trip like that will, at least as far as I'm concerned,

1815
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:57,760
Speaker 1: November one through fifteen, you should be in the tree

1816
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 1: the entire day if you possibly can, or as much

1817
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: as you possibly can. Whatever it is, like, there's not

1818
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 1: a bad time. Um. Now, since he brings up the

1819
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: full moon and the rut, I thought it might be

1820
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: worth just giving like the one oh one on what

1821
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 1: does impact the timing of the rut? Um, So I'll

1822
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:19,479
Speaker 1: give my two cents on it. You guys can tell

1823
01:33:19,479 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 1: me if you agree or disagree. Um, But if you're

1824
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,000
Speaker 1: not familiar. This is something we've talked about a lot.

1825
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:26,000
Speaker 1: So if you're a long time a long time listener,

1826
01:33:26,040 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 1: first time caller, this might not be news to you,

1827
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:33,880
Speaker 1: but um right, the timing of the rut when peak

1828
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 1: breeding occurs, research has shown the biologists continued to contend

1829
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: that it is influenced and only impacted by photo period.

1830
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 1: Photo period is the amount of daylight in twenty four

1831
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: hour period and that changes throughout the year at a

1832
01:33:49,600 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: consistent rate. So as photo period changes as daylight reduces,

1833
01:33:55,400 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: you know, declines throughout the year, testosterone levels increase, and

1834
01:34:00,680 --> 01:34:04,360
Speaker 1: estrogen levels and does increase in correlation to that changing

1835
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 1: photo period. And so this is a consistent thing across

1836
01:34:07,120 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 1: the vast majority of the white Tail range in North

1837
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: America that results in a relatively consistent peak breeding date

1838
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:17,400
Speaker 1: year in, year out. Research has shown the biologists have

1839
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 1: gone in and they do fetal measurement studies where they

1840
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 1: go and they check road killed, does they take the

1841
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:25,719
Speaker 1: fetuses out of those killed? Does or they measure does

1842
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,640
Speaker 1: you know, whatever might be. They when they can get

1843
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 1: their hands on a fetus, they can measure that fetus

1844
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 1: and there's a way they can effectively backdate when that

1845
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: deer was conceived, so they can see when that date

1846
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:40,920
Speaker 1: of conception was. So then you can graph all these

1847
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: conception dates out and year in and year out, over

1848
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,880
Speaker 1: and over and over again. It's relatively consistent per area,

1849
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,639
Speaker 1: you've got a bell curve. So for most places, that's

1850
01:34:49,680 --> 01:34:52,559
Speaker 1: somewhere in that mid November time frame that your peak

1851
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:54,920
Speaker 1: breeding data curse. In Michigan, I think it's somewhere around

1852
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,639
Speaker 1: like the fifteenth, give or take, and then it's gonna

1853
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 1: be slightly less as you go down on either side.

1854
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: So then a decent number of deer bread on the

1855
01:35:03,479 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: four or the sixteenth, and then a few less on

1856
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 1: the or the seventeenth, and a few less on the

1857
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 1: twelfth and the eighteenth. If you can envision that that

1858
01:35:11,840 --> 01:35:17,240
Speaker 1: you know upside down you So what that means is

1859
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people that talk about how

1860
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:23,280
Speaker 1: the timing of the full moon supposed we can influence

1861
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 1: the rut. Because a lot of people would say, like

1862
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,519
Speaker 1: a full moon or whatever might influence the timing of

1863
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 1: the rut. Most of the science says that it does

1864
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:35,120
Speaker 1: not impact the timing of breeding. What it might influence

1865
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 1: what I what actually I personally have not decided whether

1866
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 1: or not it does or not, but a lot of

1867
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 1: people think it does. Is that it might impact how

1868
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: much daylight running activity we see. So it's not changing

1869
01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:47,679
Speaker 1: when they're actually breeding, but maybe it has a little

1870
01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:51,840
Speaker 1: bit of influence on how much actual daylight activity we're

1871
01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:55,040
Speaker 1: seeing related to that. So, you know, we've talked about

1872
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: different moon theories, you know, whether it be moon rising

1873
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,080
Speaker 1: or in the evening or setting late in the morning,

1874
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:04,040
Speaker 1: or some people talk about like Mark Jor is a

1875
01:36:04,040 --> 01:36:06,720
Speaker 1: big believer and that that that full moon does illuminate

1876
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:08,920
Speaker 1: a certain portion of the rut, so he is a

1877
01:36:08,960 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 1: big believer. If I remember correctly that the full moon,

1878
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 1: the three or four days leading up to the full moon,

1879
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,920
Speaker 1: you're gonna have better afternoon hunts, and the three or

1880
01:36:16,960 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 1: four days after the full moon you're gonna have better

1881
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,680
Speaker 1: morning hunts. There's a lot of theories around in and

1882
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:24,000
Speaker 1: around that kind of thing. Um Or that you might

1883
01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,559
Speaker 1: get a little bit earlier movement in the afternoon if

1884
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: you've got a moon that's starting to rise during that

1885
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 1: last hour of daylight. Stuff like that. Um But again

1886
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 1: to your point, Dan Or Spencer, whoever said this, I

1887
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: think um, when it's during this time period, during this

1888
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, first and second week of November, or the

1889
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 1: last week of October, even the last few days of October,

1890
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: right writing behaviors happening in most of the country. Be

1891
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:49,719
Speaker 1: in the tree. If you can be in the tree,

1892
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 1: be in the tree. Um. Now, it's it's a crapshoot

1893
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 1: in certain parts of the South. It's just for whatever reason,

1894
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 1: it's really wonky down there. And there's some weird anomalies

1895
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:00,759
Speaker 1: that I can't even speak to. I can't planet. There's

1896
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:05,799
Speaker 1: theories that it's related to um deer, that we're transport

1897
01:37:05,880 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: from different parts of the countries, and weird genetic things.

1898
01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 1: I can't speak to that. But for most of the country,

1899
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: if you're in the middle of the country, North, and

1900
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,599
Speaker 1: even most places elsewhere, basically what I just said there

1901
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,400
Speaker 1: is going to be the case. Um. Anything I said

1902
01:37:19,400 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: that you guys would disagree with, no, all right, I'll

1903
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:32,080
Speaker 1: take silence as a resounding yes that I'm correct or

1904
01:37:32,080 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 1: in some way it makes sense. I mean, I wouldn't

1905
01:37:35,040 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 1: even take the moon into consideration at all. I mean,

1906
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 1: just remember where a lot of this research is coming from,

1907
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 1: or a lot of whatever people are talking about the moon.

1908
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 1: These are people who are hunting big food plots, right,

1909
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:56,320
Speaker 1: So it's revolving around food, which means that, um, you know,

1910
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:00,519
Speaker 1: there they have a different view of what's really happening

1911
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: as opposed to what I have a feeling this guy

1912
01:38:04,800 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 1: is gonna witness. He's probably not hunting large food plots

1913
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:13,640
Speaker 1: where the deer herd is conditioned to, you know, be

1914
01:38:13,760 --> 01:38:17,559
Speaker 1: on this awesome pattern back and forth where hey, maybe

1915
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,400
Speaker 1: this moon would affect something. I don't think it's gonna

1916
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: be enough to where it would it's gonna make a

1917
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 1: difference at all if you're if you're and I'm only

1918
01:38:28,280 --> 01:38:32,040
Speaker 1: speaking for myself in the situations that I have where

1919
01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the moon. I don't take

1920
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 1: the moon into consideration when I'm planing my hunt. Yeah,

1921
01:38:38,640 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things that I that I

1922
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,599
Speaker 1: continue to be on the fence about two. There's a man,

1923
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 1: there's a lot of really good deer hunters who swear

1924
01:38:44,600 --> 01:38:48,640
Speaker 1: by it. Um. I I continue to to to to

1925
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 1: look at it and think about it and and just see.

1926
01:38:51,800 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 1: Um So I'll go on a hunt and I'll just

1927
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 1: see if does any of this increase activity correlate to

1928
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:59,240
Speaker 1: one of these moon things that people talk about, And

1929
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:01,680
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna still continue to accumulate data there and

1930
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:06,760
Speaker 1: see if I can't make any um conclusions off of that.

1931
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:09,920
Speaker 1: But the research and the science out there that has

1932
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 1: been done so far has not found any kind of

1933
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 1: conclusive connection. So that's all there is as far as

1934
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: I know when it comes to the moon and the

1935
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:23,120
Speaker 1: rut But man guys continue to swear by and and

1936
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 1: people are always intrigued in Elsheimer's theories and some of

1937
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:27,880
Speaker 1: these other things. I worked on a big outdoor life

1938
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:30,439
Speaker 1: store this year that's gonna be coming out here probably

1939
01:39:30,479 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 1: the next month or two um, where we took a

1940
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:34,400
Speaker 1: look at all these different theories. We took a look

1941
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,000
Speaker 1: at the theories related to the moon. We took a

1942
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 1: look at theories related to photo period, theories related to

1943
01:39:40,160 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: how weather cold friends might impact it. Theories how just

1944
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:46,479
Speaker 1: understanding like local patterns might influence how you hunt the

1945
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 1: rut um. It's all super interesting, but I think, you know,

1946
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 1: it's interesting and it could be helpful, But in the end,

1947
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:55,720
Speaker 1: I think it comes right down to it being the

1948
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:57,840
Speaker 1: tree as much as it can during November, no matter

1949
01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 1: what and that's going to be your best number one strategy.

1950
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 1: All Right, we are going to take a quick break

1951
01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 1: here for some insight from our friends at White Tailed Properties,

1952
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: and Spencer will take it from here. This week with

1953
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 1: White Tail Properties, we are joined by Neil Hagger, a

1954
01:40:15,960 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 1: land specialist out of Wisconsin, and Neil is going to

1955
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 1: be telling us about red flags that buyers should be

1956
01:40:21,439 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 1: alerted to when looking at a property. Well, the typical

1957
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:29,639
Speaker 1: answer for that is, you know, the neighborhood is always important.

1958
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,840
Speaker 1: If you have a poor neighborhood, that's not going to

1959
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:35,600
Speaker 1: be good. But secondly, I might add in there, you

1960
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:37,880
Speaker 1: know the numbers is your are your goals in line

1961
01:40:37,920 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 1: with the number of deer that are there? If you're

1962
01:40:40,479 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 1: a trophy hunter or not? Are you looking for numbers?

1963
01:40:43,160 --> 01:40:44,680
Speaker 1: You're just looking to have a good time hunting. So

1964
01:40:44,720 --> 01:40:46,960
Speaker 1: those are two important things that you can do your

1965
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,400
Speaker 1: research and basically just find the data and if the

1966
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:52,559
Speaker 1: data says, you know, tells the story of what you're

1967
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,120
Speaker 1: looking for, then you would buy it. If not, you

1968
01:40:54,160 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 1: wouldn't buy it. But two things that people might not

1969
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 1: think about that I come across on a fairly regular basis,

1970
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:03,640
Speaker 1: or mental rights and perhaps abandoned septics, privs, which are

1971
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 1: outhouses in northern Wisconsin, abandoned wells. These are hazards or

1972
01:41:08,920 --> 01:41:11,800
Speaker 1: potential hazards that are kind of hidden from the average guy.

1973
01:41:11,960 --> 01:41:14,400
Speaker 1: If you don't look into it, you might have yourself

1974
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 1: a bill to remove those. So if you don't have

1975
01:41:18,360 --> 01:41:21,720
Speaker 1: a budget to take care of the hazards, then it

1976
01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:24,640
Speaker 1: would be wise maybe to not buy that property. And

1977
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:26,560
Speaker 1: those are some things I definitely would look for for

1978
01:41:26,640 --> 01:41:29,640
Speaker 1: reasons not to buy a property. If you'd like to

1979
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 1: learn more and to see the properties that Neil currently

1980
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Speaker 1: has listed for sale, visit white tail properties dot com.

1981
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Speaker 1: Backslash Hogger that's h A U G E R. Moving on.

1982
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: Jesse A has a question he or she Jesse is

1983
01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 1: one of those names. I'm not sure. Um. Could you

1984
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 1: address your opinions and findings on how using a vehicle

1985
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:55,559
Speaker 1: to get close to your hunting spot could affect or

1986
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,400
Speaker 1: possibly push dear away from that area. I've got a

1987
01:41:58,439 --> 01:42:01,240
Speaker 1: small property twenty acres that is over a half mile

1988
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 1: from the road, but I do have access by lane

1989
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:06,040
Speaker 1: to get very close to my property. I share this

1990
01:42:06,080 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 1: property with my sixty seven year old dad that is

1991
01:42:08,360 --> 01:42:12,080
Speaker 1: not interested in walking too much? Um? Okay, So how

1992
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:14,559
Speaker 1: could a vehicle being driven in close to your hunting

1993
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 1: spot possibly affect Dear Spencer? Any thoughts on that one? Well,

1994
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 1: I would say, under no circumstances, is you know it

1995
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:27,120
Speaker 1: going to help you? It's certainly not going to help you.

1996
01:42:27,160 --> 01:42:30,040
Speaker 1: I guess the only ways I could see that you know,

1997
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:33,080
Speaker 1: you could feel comfortable like driving driving a vehicle close

1998
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 1: would be if there's like other farm implements there that

1999
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:38,320
Speaker 1: you could you know, hide this thing amongst a combine

2000
01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,519
Speaker 1: and you know, some broken down pickups or something like that.

2001
01:42:40,640 --> 01:42:43,559
Speaker 1: Or if there's like a really low spot um where

2002
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 1: you know you could park a vehicle and you know,

2003
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 1: be a hundred yards away and not know what's there.

2004
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:51,599
Speaker 1: But I guess there may be looking for acceptance to

2005
01:42:51,600 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 1: to take a vehicle in and it's probably just not

2006
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, beneficial as far as hunting wise, and too

2007
01:42:57,080 --> 01:43:00,200
Speaker 1: many circumstances. Danny, I don't I don't think I heard

2008
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:01,640
Speaker 1: of you ever doing anything like that. But do you

2009
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 1: have any thoughts? Well, here's my thoughts, um, depending on

2010
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:08,599
Speaker 1: what's on this twenty acres, how they're hunting it. Let's

2011
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,840
Speaker 1: say they're hunting a food source and they want to

2012
01:43:10,920 --> 01:43:13,280
Speaker 1: drive in close to the morning, they're gonna bump deer

2013
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:15,040
Speaker 1: off the food source, which means they're just gonna go

2014
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 1: back to bed earlier. Probably not beneficial. Now where I

2015
01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:22,120
Speaker 1: can see it being beneficial is if it is a

2016
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 1: farm type setting where there's a lot of vehicles traveling

2017
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:28,280
Speaker 1: around the area. You have a four wheeler or a

2018
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,439
Speaker 1: car drive you directly to your tree stand, You get up,

2019
01:43:31,439 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: and and then then someone drives that four wheeler away.

2020
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: That is where I can see it working. Yeah, that

2021
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:39,880
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I was gonna say. I think if

2022
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 1: if if it's in the scenario where deer are used

2023
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: to some kind of vehicle traffic, as long as they

2024
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 1: see it come in and then leave, I think that

2025
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:48,680
Speaker 1: can be a really good situation. But you need to

2026
01:43:48,680 --> 01:43:50,360
Speaker 1: be in a situation where someone can drop you off

2027
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,320
Speaker 1: and take you out, because if you can do that

2028
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 1: and these deer are conditioned to that kind of thing,

2029
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 1: you're able to get in and out of your stand

2030
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,719
Speaker 1: without you know, educating any deal along the way because

2031
01:43:58,760 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 1: they just think a vehicle came in, know, and you're

2032
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:03,160
Speaker 1: not leaving your scent all over the place. That all

2033
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,759
Speaker 1: can be great, UM, but not everybody has a scenario

2034
01:44:05,880 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 1: like that. UM. For me, we talked about this a

2035
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:10,600
Speaker 1: lot last year, but I was able to convince my

2036
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:14,320
Speaker 1: wife to use my four wheeler to drive onto one

2037
01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:17,000
Speaker 1: of these properties I hunt. Because it was near field edge,

2038
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:19,799
Speaker 1: I couldn't get out without spooking deer on my afternoon

2039
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:22,679
Speaker 1: hunts after dark. She'd come in with a four wheeler,

2040
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:24,960
Speaker 1: drive right up to the tree I was hunting, spook

2041
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 1: all the deer off, but spooked him with a four

2042
01:44:26,920 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: wheeler and not me climbing out of my tree and

2043
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:30,720
Speaker 1: walking out of there. And I was able to get

2044
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 1: out and hunt that spot much more often than I

2045
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 1: think I would have otherwise without having a significantly negative

2046
01:44:36,439 --> 01:44:39,320
Speaker 1: impact on those deer. So I continue to see mature

2047
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 1: bucks there even though I was, you know, hunting a

2048
01:44:42,520 --> 01:44:45,360
Speaker 1: field edge, and most other situations I would be you know,

2049
01:44:45,640 --> 01:44:48,360
Speaker 1: educating the deer. So I think in that situation, getting

2050
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: a pick up at night is a good way to

2051
01:44:50,040 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 1: do it, if you know, if the circumstances dictate anything

2052
01:44:54,920 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 1: else on that one. Otherwise, We've got a question here

2053
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:01,760
Speaker 1: from man. We gotta we gotta move here kind of quick.

2054
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:06,679
Speaker 1: We're going along all right, how about this one, um,

2055
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 1: Tyler F. He's got a few questions. Tyler F hunts

2056
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:13,760
Speaker 1: in Ohio. Sometimes the bugs can get thick in the

2057
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:16,000
Speaker 1: early season, and thinking about using the thermo cell while

2058
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 1: in the stand. My question is is that a smart

2059
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 1: idea or is it gonna spook deer? That's question number

2060
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 1: one of his questions. So let's do let's do really

2061
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:29,040
Speaker 1: quick here. Thermocell yes or no. Spencer never used one,

2062
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:36,000
Speaker 1: Dan never used one. Mark Yes. I have used them.

2063
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 1: I love them when you're in a super mosquito area.

2064
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 1: They've worked really really well for me. I've not seen

2065
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 1: a negative any I've not seen that any more negative

2066
01:45:46,680 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 1: um reaction from deer than if they just got my

2067
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 1: scent some other way. So if a deer gets down

2068
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 1: one of you and they are gonna smell you one

2069
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,599
Speaker 1: way or another in some for form of fashion, they're

2070
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:01,720
Speaker 1: also gonna smell this kind of oky thing. I have

2071
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:06,280
Speaker 1: been told that, dear, don't find it like terribly alarming. UM.

2072
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them turn inside out because of it.

2073
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:11,679
Speaker 1: So with with like me practicing my entire scent control

2074
01:46:11,800 --> 01:46:14,600
Speaker 1: regiment and using aozons machine in the tree with me

2075
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:16,559
Speaker 1: and using some nose jammer. If a deer gets down

2076
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 1: wind of me, sometimes they still win me. Or sometimes

2077
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 1: they smell something they kind of put their nose in

2078
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:22,559
Speaker 1: the air and like, I don't know what that is,

2079
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 1: and then they either just continue on their way, or

2080
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:26,519
Speaker 1: maybe they turn and go back the way they came,

2081
01:46:26,520 --> 01:46:29,559
Speaker 1: but they don't turn inside out while using a thermocell.

2082
01:46:29,640 --> 01:46:32,280
Speaker 1: Add into that equation me personally, I've just seen a

2083
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 1: similar type of reaction. Sometimes you're gonna get winded or

2084
01:46:34,920 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 1: sometimes like ah, what's this whatever, I'll keep going. But

2085
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:40,920
Speaker 1: they no doubt about it. They definitely take care of

2086
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:44,000
Speaker 1: the mosquitoes, so if you're in a supermisquito area. They

2087
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:49,200
Speaker 1: help Tyler's second question, which would you hunt first in

2088
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:52,639
Speaker 1: the early season Option A the edge of a corn field,

2089
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 1: Option B a bottom with hay and alfalfa, or options

2090
01:46:57,600 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: C in the timber where a lot of acorns are Dan,

2091
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 1: what do you think? That's just crazy? I don't I

2092
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:09,760
Speaker 1: don't need it's so vague, it's kind of hard to answer. Yeah,

2093
01:47:09,800 --> 01:47:12,679
Speaker 1: we gotta, we gotta, like, assuming all things being equal,

2094
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:16,960
Speaker 1: very basic things. If yeah, what do you go I mean,

2095
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:20,599
Speaker 1: if if the alf alpha is fresh and green and

2096
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:23,400
Speaker 1: not dried out. Then you know that might be a

2097
01:47:23,400 --> 01:47:27,640
Speaker 1: good option. But acorns, Man, right now, the deer are

2098
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 1: hitting acorns. I've been on drives the last couple of nights,

2099
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 1: and um, the deer in the fields have dropped drastically

2100
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:42,040
Speaker 1: because of the acorn drop. So I guess find find

2101
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 1: some acorns. Yep, I was gonna say. I think I

2102
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 1: think you make a good point, which is you need

2103
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,360
Speaker 1: to identify what the deer are finding most palatable at

2104
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:52,760
Speaker 1: that moment. So in some form of fashion you need

2105
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:56,160
Speaker 1: do whether it's scouting from a distance or just knowing

2106
01:47:56,200 --> 01:47:58,400
Speaker 1: what's going on, or I know some people do a

2107
01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:00,559
Speaker 1: little bit of speed scouting just before the season, like

2108
01:48:00,560 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 1: on a rainy, windy day, to do a quick walk

2109
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 1: on the edge of something to determine what the food

2110
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:08,400
Speaker 1: source of choices right now. Um, that's what i'd say.

2111
01:48:08,439 --> 01:48:11,080
Speaker 1: But I think probably in the early season, all other

2112
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 1: things being equal, more often than not, I think if

2113
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: it's a lush alf a fel field right now, that's

2114
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:19,719
Speaker 1: gonna be pretty attractive, and if acorns are on the ground,

2115
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:22,240
Speaker 1: that's gonna be pretty attractive. I think those two things

2116
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 1: in the early season typically would be more attractive than

2117
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:27,800
Speaker 1: the edge of a corn field. But again, there's so

2118
01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:30,160
Speaker 1: many other variables. Maybe the edge of a corn field

2119
01:48:30,160 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 1: that he can hunt is a transition zone to enough

2120
01:48:33,240 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 1: off a field and it's in cover, and that's where

2121
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,280
Speaker 1: this big bucks walking through every day headed to feed

2122
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 1: on the acorns or whatever. You just don't know. Um

2123
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 1: but those are a few thoughts at a high level spencer.

2124
01:48:44,520 --> 01:48:48,080
Speaker 1: Anything else you would chip in there? Yeah, I guess

2125
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 1: if he means like the actual edge of a corn field,

2126
01:48:50,360 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 1: that seems like it would be a difficult hunt early season,

2127
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 1: just for the you know, practicality of having a shooting

2128
01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:57,880
Speaker 1: lane into there. Um So, but I would agree with

2129
01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:01,000
Speaker 1: you guys at the alf alfa and acorns sounded like

2130
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 1: the best option. Yeah. Again, super super general there, but

2131
01:49:05,640 --> 01:49:09,240
Speaker 1: a few thoughts. Um Okay, I think we got time

2132
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 1: for two more questions here. Jonathan f just got a

2133
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,040
Speaker 1: deer call this year, and he's excited to use it.

2134
01:49:17,360 --> 01:49:19,639
Speaker 1: In fact, my family laughs at me because I walked

2135
01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 1: around the house grunting, snort, wheezing and making calls. If

2136
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:25,679
Speaker 1: I I even take it with me when I travel

2137
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:27,800
Speaker 1: in the car and practice calling in the car. So

2138
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: this guy is stoked about his grunt tube, which is

2139
01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 1: which is cool. His question is is it a good

2140
01:49:33,120 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 1: idea to call? Der geez? What's he trying to say here?

2141
01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,479
Speaker 1: He says that he's trying to call during fun deer

2142
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:42,599
Speaker 1: season slash post rut. Um. But I don't think that's

2143
01:49:42,600 --> 01:49:45,080
Speaker 1: what he means. And he says, I've read several mixed information,

2144
01:49:45,160 --> 01:49:49,240
Speaker 1: several bits of mixed information via forums. Okay, let's let's

2145
01:49:49,240 --> 01:49:52,240
Speaker 1: do this. I think he's asking is it a good

2146
01:49:52,240 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 1: idea to call in the early season or late season?

2147
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:59,000
Speaker 1: So of course it's a good idea, or it's understandable

2148
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:00,640
Speaker 1: to use a grunt tube are in the rut. I

2149
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:02,920
Speaker 1: think most people talk about using grunt tubes during the

2150
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:05,880
Speaker 1: pre rut or rut phases. Typically that's when it can

2151
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 1: be most effective. I think most people would agree with that.

2152
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:10,960
Speaker 1: So let's just say, yes, a grunt tube is a

2153
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:14,400
Speaker 1: decent idea during the rut phases. Um. But the question

2154
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:18,200
Speaker 1: being what about early season or late season? Um? And

2155
01:50:18,400 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 1: I guess that's my take on it. Would you guys

2156
01:50:20,920 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 1: disagree with my thoughts that sometimes it's most likely going

2157
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,400
Speaker 1: to be a good idea, possibly in the middle of

2158
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,599
Speaker 1: those rout phases Dan Spencer and then number two later

2159
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:33,559
Speaker 1: late earlier late. I think when he said fun dear season,

2160
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:37,679
Speaker 1: I think he means gone deer season, So I don't

2161
01:50:37,720 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 1: think he's asking about earlier in the year, but maybe

2162
01:50:40,280 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 1: he means fun early deer season. Okay, well then I guess, yeah,

2163
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:45,559
Speaker 1: do you want to take it that way then gun

2164
01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:48,880
Speaker 1: season and or post rout Um, I don't know. I

2165
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:51,439
Speaker 1: guess it sounds like he's really into his grunt tube

2166
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 1: and like that's kind of one of those things with

2167
01:50:55,240 --> 01:50:57,160
Speaker 1: like that that's something with age. I think when you're

2168
01:50:57,160 --> 01:50:59,800
Speaker 1: like a teenager that like when you go hunting, like

2169
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:01,920
Speaker 1: you gonna hunt every chance you get in the morning

2170
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 1: early season, when you hit the rule, you're gonna be

2171
01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:07,400
Speaker 1: calling all the time. UM. I guess posterote, if you

2172
01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:09,680
Speaker 1: feel like you have nothing to lose, UM, you know,

2173
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,880
Speaker 1: do some calls and stuff like that. But I just

2174
01:51:13,120 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't overdo it because it sounds like he's pretty

2175
01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:21,960
Speaker 1: anxious to to use his grunt tube. Yeah, and I think, um, Dan,

2176
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,280
Speaker 1: you and I have talked about some of our high

2177
01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:26,559
Speaker 1: level thoughts on using grunts a lot. And I'll just

2178
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:31,400
Speaker 1: reiterate during the rout phases. I it is a tool

2179
01:51:31,439 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: that's in my repertoire, something I will use when the

2180
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:36,720
Speaker 1: situation dictates for me. That means, if I've got a

2181
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 1: buck in the distance that I need to see, if

2182
01:51:39,240 --> 01:51:41,400
Speaker 1: I can sway his opinion to come towards me, to

2183
01:51:41,479 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 1: change the direction to come towards me, I will try

2184
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,920
Speaker 1: a grunt or two. Um, But I think the most

2185
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 1: important thing is number one. I don't like to do

2186
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,800
Speaker 1: blind me Personally, I don't like to blind grunt or

2187
01:51:51,800 --> 01:51:54,400
Speaker 1: blind call. So I'm not just willing nearly grunting all

2188
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:55,920
Speaker 1: the time to bring something in. I used to do

2189
01:51:55,960 --> 01:51:57,840
Speaker 1: that when I was younger too, the same deal. I

2190
01:51:57,880 --> 01:51:59,720
Speaker 1: was super into my grunt tube and I thought this

2191
01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 1: would be like the key to all my success. I

2192
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:04,200
Speaker 1: think many times you're just more likely to spook something,

2193
01:52:04,760 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 1: or if you do attract something but you don't know it,

2194
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 1: you might spook that deer because you're still looking around

2195
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:12,760
Speaker 1: and you don't realize this buck's coming in. So I

2196
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 1: personally only use a grunt to when I can see

2197
01:52:15,120 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 1: a deer and I need to change his direction to

2198
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:20,400
Speaker 1: come towards me, I'll try a contact grunt of some type.

2199
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: If he doesn't hear that time, I'll try it again.

2200
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,599
Speaker 1: If you definitely see that buck here, you like, he stops,

2201
01:52:25,600 --> 01:52:29,160
Speaker 1: looks at you, doesn't care, and then keeps going. I'm

2202
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:30,680
Speaker 1: not going to really try a whole lot more. I

2203
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 1: might try one snort weez and if that doesn't work,

2204
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:37,599
Speaker 1: then I personally don't like to keep grunting and making

2205
01:52:37,680 --> 01:52:40,240
Speaker 1: noise because you're probably just gonna spook that deer. Um.

2206
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:43,240
Speaker 1: The one thing, the one other thing I'll add is

2207
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:46,080
Speaker 1: that if that deer hears me and then positively reacts

2208
01:52:46,160 --> 01:52:49,880
Speaker 1: so he starts walking my way, don't start calling to anymore.

2209
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:52,320
Speaker 1: I would stop like at that point, don't ruin a

2210
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:54,880
Speaker 1: good thing. Let that deer come into his own pace.

2211
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 1: Do not keep making noise. You can only make things

2212
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:00,559
Speaker 1: worse at that point. In my opinion, for the season,

2213
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:04,320
Speaker 1: I am very conservative when it comes to calls and

2214
01:53:04,320 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 1: grunning In the early season. Um, I might just do

2215
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 1: a light contact grunt just if if it's a scenari

2216
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 1: where there's a great buck out there and he's not

2217
01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 1: coming my way, maybe there's a small chance I can

2218
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,880
Speaker 1: get him to be curious and just be wondering, what

2219
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 1: was that dear over there, So I might just give

2220
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:21,519
Speaker 1: the last rob but that's it, Like, I'm not gonna

2221
01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 1: do anything more than that. Um, And that would be

2222
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:27,360
Speaker 1: my same type of thoughts in the late season. I'm very,

2223
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:30,840
Speaker 1: very minimal when it comes to calling outside of the run, Dan,

2224
01:53:31,240 --> 01:53:35,519
Speaker 1: anything else you dead? Yeah, man, just I don't know.

2225
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:38,200
Speaker 1: Calling is almost like an art, right, you gotta be

2226
01:53:38,240 --> 01:53:40,719
Speaker 1: able to judge that. If you're calling at an animal,

2227
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:44,320
Speaker 1: blind calling, don't do it. If you're calling at an animal,

2228
01:53:44,880 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to read its body language. You

2229
01:53:47,439 --> 01:53:49,760
Speaker 1: gotta be able to say, Okay, is this buck in

2230
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 1: an aggressive uh state where he might come investigate? Or

2231
01:53:54,120 --> 01:53:59,639
Speaker 1: is he you know, really relaxed walking away not caring anything.

2232
01:54:00,040 --> 01:54:01,599
Speaker 1: It depends on what time of the year it is, right,

2233
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, if it's in the rut, yeah you might

2234
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:05,760
Speaker 1: get a response. But if it's early season and I've

2235
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:09,360
Speaker 1: I've done this several times before where I've seen a

2236
01:54:09,439 --> 01:54:11,479
Speaker 1: deer that I want to get a closer look at,

2237
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:15,240
Speaker 1: come out, um, you know, come down a different ridge,

2238
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:18,440
Speaker 1: or and I grunt and they it's like they completely

2239
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:23,000
Speaker 1: ignore it. So I don't know, it's better to call

2240
01:54:23,120 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 1: less than to call more. Yeah, I know, some guys

2241
01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 1: that like to call, even to bucks that they don't

2242
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:30,200
Speaker 1: want to shoot, like they'll called every year and a

2243
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 1: half old buck or young buck just because it's fun

2244
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:35,160
Speaker 1: to see a thing bring him in. And I would

2245
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 1: not recommend that because I feel like every time you

2246
01:54:37,640 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 1: do that, you could potentially educate a deer that a

2247
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 1: grunt that they hear in the woods is a negative thing.

2248
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:45,440
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you grunt in a deer

2249
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:47,000
Speaker 1: because you just want to have fun with it, and

2250
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,000
Speaker 1: then it wins you or it sees you all of

2251
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 1: a sudden, now has a very negative association with that

2252
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 1: sound you made. So in two years from now, when

2253
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:55,720
Speaker 1: he's a big, mature buck and you tried grunting to

2254
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:58,280
Speaker 1: him again, he might turn inside out and get to

2255
01:54:58,320 --> 01:55:00,840
Speaker 1: the next county because he can deal. He still has

2256
01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:05,000
Speaker 1: that connection, that negative association. Um So I to your point, Dan,

2257
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:06,680
Speaker 1: I would not call any more than I have to,

2258
01:55:07,040 --> 01:55:09,120
Speaker 1: and I wouldn't do it unless it's a scenario that

2259
01:55:09,200 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 1: I'm you know, if it's worth taking that risk, because

2260
01:55:13,240 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 1: making a grunt call is a risk. You can risk

2261
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:17,960
Speaker 1: spooking it simply from hearing you and not liking it.

2262
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:20,480
Speaker 1: Or Number two lots of times when you call to

2263
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:22,280
Speaker 1: a deer, if it hears it and if it's interested

2264
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:24,320
Speaker 1: in it, many times it's going to try to circle

2265
01:55:24,320 --> 01:55:26,360
Speaker 1: down wind of view. And so if you're if you're

2266
01:55:26,360 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 1: in a position where it can easily get down wind

2267
01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:30,600
Speaker 1: of you, you could have mucked things up because now

2268
01:55:30,640 --> 01:55:34,080
Speaker 1: he's actively trying to catch your scent um. And if

2269
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 1: you don't have a the right setup or the right

2270
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:38,760
Speaker 1: scent control or whatever it might be, now you're in

2271
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 1: trouble too. So that's another thing to keep in mind.

2272
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 1: Anything else on calls. If not, we will move on

2273
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 1: to our final question of the night. Final question is

2274
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 1: from Jason D. That's d as in Dan Johnson, and

2275
01:55:57,800 --> 01:56:00,480
Speaker 1: Jason says, I recently tore my road to r cuff

2276
01:56:00,520 --> 01:56:03,120
Speaker 1: and I'm having surgery in two weeks. I'm going to

2277
01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:07,000
Speaker 1: miss my first bow season in many years. So first off, man,

2278
01:56:07,040 --> 01:56:10,200
Speaker 1: I'm sorry Jason. That is a bummer. Um So, he's

2279
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:12,800
Speaker 1: gonna miss both season, so he's wondering to pass the time.

2280
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:16,480
Speaker 1: Could you send me some suggestions for reading material. I've

2281
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 1: already read A Hunter's Heart, so he's he thanks me

2282
01:56:20,040 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 1: for that suggestion. Um So, man, I got a lot

2283
01:56:24,280 --> 01:56:29,560
Speaker 1: of different books. I'm a book nerd um Spencer, I

2284
01:56:29,600 --> 01:56:31,040
Speaker 1: don't know. Are you much for a reader? Do you

2285
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:35,720
Speaker 1: have any book recommendations? I am h. I think typically

2286
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:38,200
Speaker 1: I'll do writing falls in like two categories. There's like

2287
01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:41,640
Speaker 1: the dry stuff and they'd be like a Dan Johnson wrote,

2288
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, ten Ways to Kill an Iowa book, and

2289
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:49,839
Speaker 1: the poetic stuff then be like, you know, Mark Kenyon's

2290
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:52,920
Speaker 1: Quest to Kill holy Field, and there's like little in

2291
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 1: the way of comedy. And who does that best? Is

2292
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:58,080
Speaker 1: Bill Heavee. I just I love his stuff and it's

2293
01:56:58,760 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 1: really entertaining and like so a nice break from everything

2294
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:03,600
Speaker 1: else that's you know, in the outdoor world as far

2295
01:57:03,640 --> 01:57:08,280
Speaker 1: as writing goes. It's a great point. Bill. Yeah. I

2296
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:10,360
Speaker 1: pick up any of his books, um, just as a

2297
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:12,720
Speaker 1: nice break from from you know, whatever else you might

2298
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:15,640
Speaker 1: be reading right now. I think I think his books

2299
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:18,200
Speaker 1: are titled if that wasn't jerky, what did I just eat?

2300
01:57:19,200 --> 01:57:22,080
Speaker 1: And then and then the other ones You're not lost

2301
01:57:22,160 --> 01:57:23,800
Speaker 1: if you can still see the truck, I think it's

2302
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 1: the other one. I agree, very funny stuff. Anything else

2303
01:57:27,800 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 1: or was that your suggestion? I guess that would be

2304
01:57:31,320 --> 01:57:36,640
Speaker 1: my suggestion. Alright, I like it Dan anything well, speaking

2305
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:39,240
Speaker 1: of humor. Uh. And I'm not one to toot my

2306
01:57:39,240 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 1: own horn. But and I and I doubt many people

2307
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:46,560
Speaker 1: get the the magazine Iowa Sportsman. But I wrote a

2308
01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:55,000
Speaker 1: article comparing digital scouting for deer like watching pornography. No,

2309
01:57:55,120 --> 01:57:58,040
Speaker 1: I'm serious, because it's like, alright, the lights are down low.

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Speaker 1: You gotta, you know, get away from the family, you know,

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Speaker 1: shut the blinds, you know, because you know the wife

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Speaker 1: sees you doing that and she's like, you're doing that again. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's a very interesting comparison. Then I like

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Speaker 1: it right right, So, yeah, I don't I I can

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Speaker 1: barely read. I know, that's all right. I wasn't gonna

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Speaker 1: have I don't have the time for it. I hear you.

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Speaker 1: Although you did like start to read a book when

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Speaker 1: we were out cutting that I've been meaning to send

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Speaker 1: to you. See, can finish it because it's a really

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Speaker 1: good book. Um. We talked about it once like two

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Speaker 1: years ago. We did a podcast where we talked about

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Speaker 1: books too. Um. And that book that you started reading

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Speaker 1: that you found interesting was called The Last Stand and

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Speaker 1: it's about George Bird Grenelle and um what he did

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Speaker 1: as he uh he founded Field and Stream was the

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Speaker 1: first I believe, or maybe it was the first editor

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Speaker 1: I can now I'm gonna get this wrong with George

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Speaker 1: burg Gernell was a very influential sportsman with what he

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Speaker 1: was able to write and Field and Stream, and then

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Speaker 1: he also was one of the guys that helped start

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Speaker 1: the Booning Rocket Club. He worked with Teddy Roosevelt to

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Speaker 1: really start instituting game laws. Um started act. He actually

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01:59:07,400 --> 01:59:09,760
Speaker 1: was able to help make sure that game wasn't being

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Speaker 1: hunted and wantonly wasted in Yellowstone National Park in the

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Speaker 1: early years. Um So The Last Stand talks about his

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Speaker 1: experiences with that and everything he did to help save

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Speaker 1: the Buffalo and Yellowstone and across the country, and what

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Speaker 1: he did with Feeling Stream in the Boone and Crocker Club.

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Speaker 1: Really interesting book. Highly recommend that one. UM I'm not

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Speaker 1: gonna go through a handful of different books that I

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Speaker 1: also like and I've talked about in the past. Um

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Speaker 1: anything by my friend Steve Ronella. I just spent a

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Speaker 1: week with him out hunting caribou, and the dude is

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01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:43,800
Speaker 1: a terrific writer. There's some of my favorite books, so

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Speaker 1: American Buffalo or The Hot guide to her shoot, What's

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01:59:49,240 --> 01:59:53,520
Speaker 1: the Scavengers Guide to Hot Cuisine and then meat either

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01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 1: three awesome books. Highly recommend those. Another book kind of

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Speaker 1: related to the history of conservation in America and wildlife

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Speaker 1: and public lands is called The Big Burn by Timothy Egan.

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Speaker 1: That is the story of Teddy Roosevelt and Gifford pin

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Speaker 1: Show and what they've done to help create the National

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Speaker 1: Forest System and all those public lands we have across

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Speaker 1: the country. And then how this huge wildfire that came

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Speaker 1: through in nineteen oh was six I think, um, how

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Speaker 1: the events surrounding that fire influenced what they're trying to

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Speaker 1: do with the National Forest Service and the people who

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02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 1: are attacking the National Force and trying to get them

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Speaker 1: get rid of them, the guys who didn't want public land.

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Speaker 1: It's a really interesting story. They're highly recommend that one. Um.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this one as well. The Sand County

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Speaker 1: Almanac by All the Leopold That should just kind of

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Speaker 1: be like required reading for anyone who's a hunter or conservationist,

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Speaker 1: especially the last section where it dives into his conservation ethic,

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Speaker 1: the land ethic. Really good to read that and chew

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Speaker 1: on that, think about that one um American Seerengetti by

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02:00:57,800 --> 02:01:01,200
Speaker 1: Dan Flores or Flori's not sure how you properly pronounced that,

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Speaker 1: But this again is about the history of um of

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Speaker 1: wildlife in North America. What we had back in like

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Speaker 1: the place I've seen era, so like ice age type

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Speaker 1: animals that were hanging around in the great plains of

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Speaker 1: North America. And then what was here two hundred years

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Speaker 1: ago when you know, Lewis and Clark and those guys

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Speaker 1: were first exploring it, and then how we then unfortunately

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Speaker 1: contributed to the decline of a lot of those animals.

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Speaker 1: And then now we've brought a lot of those species back.

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Speaker 1: So it dives into kind of the natural history of

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Speaker 1: of elk and grizzlies and wolves and pronghorn and um,

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different animals, really really interesting um.

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Speaker 1: As far as like deer hunting, if you're interested in

2380
02:01:40,320 --> 02:01:42,080
Speaker 1: reading something that's going to help you become a better

2381
02:01:42,120 --> 02:01:44,560
Speaker 1: deer hunter, some of my very favorite books are those

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Speaker 1: written by the eber Hearts. John Eberhart was on the

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Speaker 1: podcast a couple of weeks ago and his son Chris Eberhart.

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Speaker 1: Those are like some of the most influential books on

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Speaker 1: how I hunt now that I read like a decade ago.

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Speaker 1: So Precision bow Hunting, UM, Bow Hunting, White Tales, eber

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02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:05,440
Speaker 1: Hart Way, White Tail Access. Those are all really good ones. Um.

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Speaker 1: The books by Jeff Sturgis, he's another past podcast, Guess

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Speaker 1: his White Tails by Design. He's got three books in

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Speaker 1: that series. Those are really good. Steve Bartilla's books. I

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Speaker 1: especially like Big Buck Secrets. Those ones are recommended. Um.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw out two more books here. A Thousand

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Speaker 1: Deer by Rick Bass. Rick Bass is one of those

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02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:27,600
Speaker 1: little more poetic writers, a little bit deeper. Um, but

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Speaker 1: he had a book It's called A Thousand Deer that

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Speaker 1: speaks to his experiences deer hunting in the hill country

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Speaker 1: of Texas where he grew up or where he grew

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Speaker 1: up hunting, and then also in Montana where he lives now.

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Speaker 1: Really really interesting essays and stories he writes there like

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Speaker 1: that and then totally off the wall, but a super

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02:02:44,560 --> 02:02:47,040
Speaker 1: cool one if you are into wilderness and kind of

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02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:51,840
Speaker 1: the healing aspects of of nature and wilderness and uh

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Speaker 1: animals would be a book called Grizzly Years by Doug Peacock.

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02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:59,960
Speaker 1: And Doug was a Vietnam vet and he came back

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02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:02,360
Speaker 1: from the war and was was pretty messed up coming

2406
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:04,920
Speaker 1: out of that, and he finally found his kind of

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Speaker 1: way to recenter by going out into the wilderness of

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Speaker 1: Montana and Wyoming and just living out there with the grizzlies.

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Speaker 1: And he did. He would just spend hours and hours

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02:03:16,520 --> 02:03:19,839
Speaker 1: and days and days and months observing bears, learning about bears,

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02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:22,000
Speaker 1: spending time out there. So this book kind of shares

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02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:24,360
Speaker 1: his experiences out there in the wilderness and kind of

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Speaker 1: how these things helped him. And very interesting book, interesting

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Speaker 1: insight to and a grizz and I'm a big fan

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02:03:30,720 --> 02:03:34,120
Speaker 1: of grizz They're super interesting animals. So those are handful

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02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:35,640
Speaker 1: of books you can take a look at that are

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02:03:36,240 --> 02:03:40,400
Speaker 1: interesting from a hunting or conservation standpoints or just general

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02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:43,280
Speaker 1: being interest in the outdoors. Another good one, and I

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Speaker 1: could I could talk about this for too long. Um

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Speaker 1: it's called The Wild Ones, and we talked about this

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02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:51,600
Speaker 1: with Donnie Vincent like last year. But The Wild Ones

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02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:55,200
Speaker 1: is an interesting book that takes a look at kind

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Speaker 1: of where we are today with wildlife and species going

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02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:03,440
Speaker 1: extinct and what we as humans can do or what

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02:04:03,480 --> 02:04:05,640
Speaker 1: should we do, or what can we do or what

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02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:08,000
Speaker 1: should we not do or what is our what is

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Speaker 1: our relationship now with wildlife? UM, in this world now

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02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:15,280
Speaker 1: where we have made such a huge handprint on this,

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02:04:15,600 --> 02:04:18,280
Speaker 1: on this earth and everything on us. So that is

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Speaker 1: my long winded set of book recommendations. I've got a

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Speaker 1: blog post on wire hunt dot com that goes to

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Speaker 1: a whole bunch more too. You can check that out

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02:04:26,040 --> 02:04:31,440
Speaker 1: by looking up the Ultimate Recommended Reading List for Hunters UM.

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02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:33,880
Speaker 1: And and that's all I got. And I think Dan

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Speaker 1: had to drop off because of god knows what, probably

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02:04:37,480 --> 02:04:41,120
Speaker 1: something with kids. So, Spencer, anything else you want to

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Speaker 1: add or should we just wrap this? This sucker up? Uh?

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Speaker 1: We better wrap it up. This has been exhausting two hours.

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Speaker 1: I kept you for a long time. This is definitely

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Speaker 1: this is This is four RUT radio episodes right here,

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02:04:53,640 --> 02:04:58,800
Speaker 1: So I don't want I did well. Thanks for joining

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02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:01,480
Speaker 1: us for this on Spencer and UM. I'm excited to

2443
02:05:01,720 --> 02:05:03,960
Speaker 1: see what we've got going on with the rout radio episodes.

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02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:06,440
Speaker 1: And like we said earlier, make sure you listen to those.

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02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:09,240
Speaker 1: You'll see the first one in your podcast feed now

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02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:12,200
Speaker 1: and UM look for one you know, a week from now.

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02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:15,880
Speaker 1: And that's it for us. Today, guys hopefully enjoyed this one.

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Speaker 1: It was a long one, but hopefully we covered enough.

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02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:23,040
Speaker 1: Some some maybe valuable, some less valuable. But before we go,

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Speaker 1: want to give a big thank you to our partners

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Speaker 1: at Sitka Gear Yetie Cooler's Matthew's Archery may have an optics,

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Speaker 1: white Tail, Institute of North America, Trophy Ridge and hunt

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Speaker 1: Terra maps and a couple more things. If you haven't

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02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:38,160
Speaker 1: yet left a rating or review for the podcast on iTunes,

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02:05:38,360 --> 02:05:40,560
Speaker 1: that's a huge, huge, huge help, So would love it

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Speaker 1: if you could do that. And um, I think that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be it for us today. So of course, thank

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Speaker 1: you all for listening. I appreciate so much. If you're hunting,

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Speaker 1: I hope it's going well for you. Good luck out there,

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Speaker 1: and until next time, stay wired to Hunt.