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Speaker 1: Well we're back here on the show. Brian Alvarez here
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Speaker 1: and old filthy Tom Lawler is here. We got a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about today, and uh, I done got
Speaker 1: set off, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna fight,
Speaker 1: not gonna fight today, So we'll just talk about other
Speaker 1: stuff for a while. Oh no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no, I'm not doing it right now. We've got
Speaker 1: bigger things to talk about, like, uh, Tom, I hear
Speaker 1: your your h What are you now now that you've
Speaker 1: teamed with all? I mean, are you part of the
Speaker 1: bullet club?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 1: What are you now? You team with? You teamed and
Speaker 1: faced Hakoo King hack Coo this weekend.
Speaker 8: Yes, I did. I w wrestling Saturday night in Akron, Ohio.
Speaker 8: I was set to face King Haku. We were gonna
Speaker 8: find out who the toughest man in wrestling history really is.
Speaker 8: And I got in there with him, and unfortunately, some
Speaker 8: scrubs Tyson ready.
Speaker 1: I mean unfortunately this sounds like fortunately.
Speaker 8: Well it was pretty cool too, but after about a
Speaker 8: minute we were interrupted and we were challenged. We were challenged.
Speaker 8: They said you know what the guy said? He said,
Speaker 8: who booked Suzuki Butterbean two.
Speaker 1: Wow, wow.
Speaker 8: If you guys, so, you guys should take me and
Speaker 8: my partner on if you're mad enough. And me and
Speaker 8: King Haku were like, oh boy, are we ever.
Speaker 1: See who booked this?
Speaker 2: John Thorn?
Speaker 8: John Thorn, Yes of AIW Wrestling, Hi w.
Speaker 1: John, Listen, if you're listening to me, you made a
Speaker 1: big mistake, brother, because like when they when they said
Speaker 1: that who booked Butterbean versus Zuki two? And then they
Speaker 1: challenged Haku and Filthy Tom to a match under no
Speaker 1: circumstances should that have happened the same night that should
Speaker 1: have been booked for the next show in the main event.
Speaker 1: I literally would have bought a ticket. I would have
Speaker 1: flown there to watch it.
Speaker 8: Like god, Oh, Haku and I beat up, took out, destroyed, decimated, annihilated, Tyson,
Speaker 8: Riggs and Kaplan once again a caplin falls at the hands. Yes,
Speaker 8: and then King Hakou and I put up the fingers.
Speaker 8: We gave each other the too sweet to signify that
Speaker 8: not only is nWo for life, so was the Bullet Club.
Speaker 8: And then I threw up the one.
Speaker 9: Wow we go.
Speaker 8: Three factions in one night?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Handle well the one the one was for Jimmy Hart's
Speaker 8: first family.
Speaker 9: Was that those family? I got it?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 2: I got it all four?
Speaker 10: How about that?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, I wish I'd been there for that, Tom, I
Speaker 1: wish I'd been there, But you know you and I man,
Speaker 1: we got a big date coming up for a podcast
Speaker 1: with with Kurt Angle, don't we?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Live show with Kurd Angle, Spokane, Washington at the Northern
Speaker 8: Quest Casino, May seventeenth, I believe, just two days after
Speaker 8: my upcoming forty second birthday.
Speaker 9: Wow, what yeah?
Speaker 8: What a better way to spend it than hanging out
Speaker 8: with Brian Alvarez, the esteemed Brian Alvarez and gold medalist
Speaker 8: who won it with a broken freaking neck her Angle.
Speaker 10: It's gonna be awesome and it is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, anyway, that sounds really exciting, and we do have
Speaker 1: to talk about since I know Mike of course has
Speaker 1: a big audio nightmare, Tom is on the stardom beat,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about the end of the crewer.
Speaker 1: Don't think you can say that, Well, we haven't for
Speaker 1: a while, but for a while we did the the
Speaker 1: end of Tam Knockano's career.
Speaker 8: Tom, Yes, sad I guess. I mean these Joe, She's
Speaker 8: seem to have a shorter life span as far as
Speaker 8: their inn ring time goes than most of the other
Speaker 8: styles and competitors around the world. So it's not, you know,
Speaker 8: uncharacteristic for somebody to go out while they're relatively at
Speaker 8: the top. But you know, tam Knockano has been around
Speaker 8: for a while, and you know, now's the time. Now's
Speaker 8: the time for her to leave. She's retired. But I
Speaker 8: mean she's not the only person gone from stardom. Oh oh,
Speaker 8: there's a lot. So I mean Tam Knockao, sure, she's
Speaker 8: gone from the wrestling world, but Stardom also fired the
Speaker 8: Toxic Spider, Thekla.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then who's going to be doing some dates
Speaker 1: in America?
Speaker 8: And then also it was announced Mayu Iwaitani, who fell
Speaker 8: to shury the greatest female wrestler of all time, lost
Speaker 8: the IWGP Woman's title to her. And now we'll be
Speaker 8: departing stardom as well. She's been there since the very
Speaker 8: first show in boy, can we fact check this twenty eleven? Maybe?
Speaker 10: And uh now now she'll be gone, Mike A.
Speaker 9: NAT's it's an end of an era in a lot
Speaker 9: of ways. It's gonna be interesting to see what Mayui
Speaker 9: Watani does. Obviously she's got a relationship with rossi Ogawa
Speaker 9: in the Mari Gold promotion, but it's going to be
Speaker 9: interesting to see if she has gotten all of branches
Speaker 9: extended from the United States. There's been talk about her
Speaker 9: following Kyrie saying and in Eo Sharai to WWE AW
Speaker 9: I would be sure would have some interest in her
Speaker 9: as well. The most interesting name to me though, is
Speaker 9: Thekla because no offense to the other women, but she's
Speaker 9: got a lot less miles on her career right now.
Speaker 9: She's got a unique style, a unique look, and probably
Speaker 9: is somebody who is going to be in demand down
Speaker 9: the line. If these indie dates go well here in
Speaker 9: the States that AWWWE wouldn't be looking at her because
Speaker 9: she seems perfect for them.
Speaker 1: You know, last night Dave said that Mautani might end
Speaker 1: up in WE or AW and a lot of people
Speaker 1: got mad. I don't know it's going to be Mary Gold.
Speaker 1: It could be Mary Gold. It could but you know what,
Speaker 1: WWE and AW are paying a lot of money right now,
Speaker 1: a lot of money, and they would both want her,
Speaker 1: and I do not think that that is out of
Speaker 1: the question at.
Speaker 8: All, Brian, if I were a company trying to make
Speaker 8: inroads into other areas like it seems like WWE is
Speaker 8: willing to do at this point. You know, they've already
Speaker 8: worked with Marigold in the past, so you know, would
Speaker 8: it really be out of you know, out of character
Speaker 8: for my Ewaitani to be working for WWE but also
Speaker 8: beyond these big Marigold shows, And the same could be
Speaker 8: said for Decla Dekla is oh boy, Hungarian. Maybe she's
Speaker 8: from somewhere in Europe. I probably screw that one up,
Speaker 8: but I got the I got the stardom debut date right,
Speaker 8: so maybe I did on that one as well.
Speaker 9: But from Madan is where she's from.
Speaker 8: Mike, That's not a real place. I know there's a
Speaker 8: lot of former Eastern Bloc countries with bizarre names, but
Speaker 8: that is not a real place. She's European of some nature.
Speaker 9: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 1: God, I know what did you all the time? He
Speaker 1: has a stickler for facts.
Speaker 9: God, sorry to throw you off. Good start today, guys, Tom, you.
Speaker 1: Don't even know where she's from.
Speaker 10: You guess from she's from Europe?
Speaker 1: God? Anyway, what's your point.
Speaker 10: Well, they're they're trying to get it to Europe as well.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, sure Austrian.
Speaker 10: Sorry Austrian. Had they used to be the same country,
Speaker 10: My bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, supports. As Maya was mentioned in the past, she
Speaker 1: dealt with homesickness in the past when she visited the US. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure she did. But you know you mentioned, you
Speaker 1: mentioned Austria. You know who else is from Austria? Gunther
Speaker 1: and uh and for years when he was Walter, he
Speaker 1: also was homesick and said he would never he would
Speaker 1: never move and uh and then one day he did
Speaker 1: and that was the end of that. So things change, guys,
Speaker 1: Things change. We shall see where everybody ends up. But
Speaker 1: do not rule anything out, especially now with like you know,
Speaker 1: both AW and WWE. I mean, they're heavy in recruiting
Speaker 1: mode and they got a lot of money.
Speaker 9: So yeah, it gonna be a lot disappointed Japanese wrestling fans.
Speaker 9: And I'm sure Adam and I when we do the
Speaker 9: big Audio Nightmare tomorrow and talk about this. I brought
Speaker 9: this up before about guys coming over here where you know,
Speaker 9: it feels like Japanese baseball and American baseball now because
Speaker 9: America can pay so much, to such a ridiculous degree
Speaker 9: that there's gonna be a lot of people who end
Speaker 9: up leaving New Japan and all of these other promotions,
Speaker 9: maybe a lot earlier than their fans really want them to.
Speaker 9: But you got to take the opportunities when they're there.
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Speaker 1: Trying to hold in my frustration.
Speaker 9: All right, give me at least a genre. What has.
Speaker 1: It's uh, but I'm moving on here. I don't want
Speaker 1: to get in this fight. It's wasting my time. It
Speaker 1: makes people mad.
Speaker 2: So what else do we got?
Speaker 9: Hey?
Speaker 1: Raw is tonight, Rhea Ripley versus Roxanne Perez. We got
Speaker 1: Seth Paul and Braun Breaker appearing as part of their
Speaker 1: new faction. Pad McPhee will address the attack by Gunther,
Speaker 1: which I presume sets of a match, and Becky Lynch
Speaker 1: will address the attack on Lyra Valcy as I like
Speaker 1: to call her. That's coming up tonight, and then tomorrow
Speaker 1: is NXT with Ricky Saints versus Lexus King for the
Speaker 1: North American title, Hank and Tank versus Briggs and Ina Mura,
Speaker 1: which actually should be quite a slobber knocker. That's for
Speaker 1: the tag team titles, and Tony D and Stacks have
Speaker 1: a face to face.
Speaker 9: I hope Hank and Tank are ready because they're going
Speaker 9: to get hit really hard.
Speaker 1: Oh, they're ready. You don't think they're gonna hit, They're
Speaker 1: gonna hit.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll tell you what does it hit? According to Stacks,
Speaker 8: and that's Tony D's mom's risotto.
Speaker 9: Oh that's fighting words.
Speaker 1: That of my Wednesday has got Hangman Page versus Kyle
Speaker 1: Fletcher and the Owenehart Foundation Tournament's semifinals, which should be great.
Speaker 1: We got Every time I read this all star eight
Speaker 1: man tag I immediately think of like nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 1: Survivor series. We got Kenny Omega, Speedball, Mark Brisco and
Speaker 1: Kevin Knight against the Young Bucks, Okada and Ricochet.
Speaker 9: If we had to give these teams and names, what
Speaker 9: would they be?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I have to think about that for you.
Speaker 9: Omega's onslaught against you know, the Bucks.
Speaker 1: Versus the speed Balls. Don't know, Tony Storm will less
Speaker 1: you a title eliminator open challenge. I can't imagine who
Speaker 1: might accept that. Hurt Syndicate will appear live and MGF
Speaker 1: will appear live, probably together. But they've listened that as
Speaker 1: two different segments. So that's the lineup for the next
Speaker 1: couple of days.
Speaker 9: There, Ramis, that's what sticked you off.
Speaker 1: No, it's nothing like that. Okay, it's people arguing with
Speaker 1: me about common sense. Okay, I'm trying not to lose
Speaker 1: it here. God alright, I'm trying to just like talk
Speaker 1: about something else, So I forget about it, Okay. Raymonds
Speaker 1: sterio surgery to repair the injury that force and miss
Speaker 1: Mania forty one. So I thought it was as groin.
Speaker 1: It was actually as abductor, which is near your groin.
Speaker 1: I've been told. So he tore it. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: out for a while. It was when he got yanked
Speaker 1: out of the ring, just a normal bump, nothing weird
Speaker 1: about it, and hurt himself. And by the way, I
Speaker 1: don't really have an update on Leon Slater. If you
Speaker 1: guys watched the TNA pay per view last night. Lord,
Speaker 1: this guy did a cent on four p fifty onto
Speaker 1: about six guys, didn't hit one, not one of them,
Speaker 1: and splat on the ground. I thought he was dead
Speaker 1: on a door nail. And he got right back up
Speaker 1: and kept working. But the impression that I got is
Speaker 1: he definitely woke up sore, no kidding, I guess to
Speaker 1: put it mildly.
Speaker 9: Well, we now know why aj Francis played defensive line
Speaker 9: at the University of Maryland instead of a tight end
Speaker 9: because he's the biggest guy in the middle of that
Speaker 9: pile of men who was supposed to catch him and
Speaker 9: oops a little seven ten split there. I'm gonna ask
Speaker 9: both of because Brian, I know you have kind of
Speaker 9: pushed back against this in the past, but dives from
Speaker 9: a certain height, especially coming down doing four fifties on
Speaker 9: top of somebody. Cody Hall, Scott Hall's son did get
Speaker 9: injured while he was working with All Japan. I believe
Speaker 9: that it was when somebody did a dive and he
Speaker 9: didn't he was in the wrong position. But at some point,
Speaker 9: I mean, aren't you putting guys necks and backs on
Speaker 9: the line way too much? Because one slip of somebody
Speaker 9: trying to get up to help you catch somebody, and
Speaker 9: they push you over.
Speaker 1: Okay, listen, I'll explain this.
Speaker 9: Tell me why this is not insane.
Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you it is insane a minute. But
Speaker 1: I spent too much time on Bryan and Vinnie last
Speaker 1: night because I was formulating these things in my head.
Speaker 1: I have a much easier way to explain it now.
Speaker 9: Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: If you're jumping off something high, okay, where there's an
Speaker 1: added danger to it because of the height, all right,
Speaker 1: you cannot do a vertical dive onto people standing vertically, Okay,
Speaker 1: because what happened is it's just like you know whatever
Speaker 1: now I'm seeing now I'm making.
Speaker 10: It too force.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's you're you're facing the same direction that
Speaker 1: everyone else is facing, so you can just slide right
Speaker 1: through them. It happens on Moon Salts, it happens on
Speaker 1: as i Ez, It happens on Fourth. Anytime where you're
Speaker 1: rotating on the vertical plane and people are standing vertically,
Speaker 1: you can like you can miss them. If you want
Speaker 1: to jump off something really high, you need to dive
Speaker 1: horizontally onto people standing vertically. Then it's impossible to not
Speaker 1: catch you. Okay, Like there was a dive last night
Speaker 1: when it was in that uh the street fight and
Speaker 1: who was it? Thing on all my notes right here,
Speaker 1: it was Mustafa Ali went up onto like the second
Speaker 1: level and he dove off onto Mike Santana and a
Speaker 1: bunch of Ali's seconds. Okay, Well he did a high
Speaker 1: cross and so like everybody caught him to the point
Speaker 1: where nobody budged when they caught him, and then they
Speaker 1: all had to fall down, and it was it was silly,
Speaker 1: but it was safe. So going like vertically on a
Speaker 1: vertical dude's fifteen feet in the air. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just it's too dangerous. He should have done a high
Speaker 1: cross or like a torneo, a vertical torneo or something
Speaker 1: where like you can't not be caught. But like Charlotte
Speaker 1: does the moon salt off the post. You know, people
Speaker 1: miss her hangman.
Speaker 9: More than ever. Now people hit that moon salt and
Speaker 9: split people.
Speaker 1: Well they land on their feet now because they know
Speaker 1: they're not going to be caught, right because it's really
Speaker 1: hard to catch that way.
Speaker 8: So anyway, well, also the angle he was going at
Speaker 8: was not conducive to catching anybody. No, staying safe. No,
Speaker 8: as well. You know, like if you're jumping off of
Speaker 8: a structure, you're not going straight down. You're usually running
Speaker 8: and jumping, you know what I mean. So you're clearing
Speaker 8: a greater distance and you're not coming at somebody from
Speaker 8: the top at the top of their head. You're coming
Speaker 8: at them where you could.
Speaker 10: See the person.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 8: This was just dangerous on all all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the easiest catch makes it sick. Yeah. The easiest
Speaker 1: catch is when you and your opponent are at ninety
Speaker 1: degree angles, so you're vertical they come at you horizontally,
Speaker 1: or you're horizontal and they come at you vertically or whatever.
Speaker 1: You never see a splash where like one guy's feet
Speaker 1: are facing the turnbuckles and then you jump off and
Speaker 1: you squish them like this. You would never see that
Speaker 1: be stupid.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't want to give too much away, but
Speaker 8: a lot of times, if I'm gonna catch somebody on
Speaker 8: a moon salt, you know, I'll ask this person where
Speaker 8: do you want me to be? Do you want me
Speaker 8: to catch you or do you want me to like
Speaker 8: shoot underneath you so that you land over the top
Speaker 8: of me and like smack on my shoulders. And it
Speaker 8: seems as if nowadays that's the preferred method because people
Speaker 8: cannot you know, you can't rely on somebody else to
Speaker 8: catch you.
Speaker 1: Well, think about what the old moon salt even used
Speaker 1: to be. It used to be you would stand facing
Speaker 1: away from your opponent and when you jumped, you would
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, if they were gonna catch
Speaker 1: you standing, you would jump and twist and would kind
Speaker 1: of be like a high cross. It wasn't. And if
Speaker 1: you were, if you were gonna do it onto the mat,
Speaker 1: you would be you know, you would do it normal
Speaker 1: and they would be horizontal to you. But it's recent
Speaker 1: where it's like I'm gonna do a moon salt and
Speaker 1: you're gonna catch me standing, but I'm gonna still commit
Speaker 1: you vertically. So all you see your knees, there's knees
Speaker 1: flying at your face, and you know, you just get
Speaker 1: the heck out of the way and then they crash.
Speaker 1: So anyway, how do we even get into that? Oh,
Speaker 1: Leon Slater, Leon Slater was hurting this morning. God, that's
Speaker 1: what's That's why it's nice to be twenty. Ryan Danielson
Speaker 1: is not twenty. He's forty three, and he was asked
Speaker 1: about rustling again and he said, no inclination, no desire.
Speaker 1: He said, six months leading my last match were so hard.
Speaker 9: My was so bad.
Speaker 1: There's things I couldn't do, he said. Is One of
Speaker 1: his final matches was Okada on October tewod Dynamite. The
Speaker 1: rules were Ocatta's Continental championship was on the line for
Speaker 1: just the first twenty minutes. He said, the story should
Speaker 1: be I'm pushing, pushing, pushing, trying to get the fall
Speaker 1: downe in the first twenty minutes, but my legs couldn't
Speaker 1: do it. So that was the point where I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm not physically able to do some of the things
Speaker 1: I should that this story requires me to do. He
Speaker 1: has not gotten next surgery. He's he's trying stem cells.
Speaker 1: He still may need surgery, but he wants to avoid it.
Speaker 1: So I would not even expecting a lot of Brian
Speaker 1: Danielson matches down the road here. What about you, Tom?
Speaker 1: What about you? And like stem cells or something. You're
Speaker 1: very crooked.
Speaker 10: More whysically, emotionally, You're a little.
Speaker 1: Crooked in a lot of ways. But I mean, golly,
Speaker 1: when we were hanging out in Vegas, I was like,
Speaker 1: this guy looks like he's hurting.
Speaker 9: He needs to go. What's the person you go to?
Speaker 1: It's not a chiro, Well he should start with just
Speaker 1: a chiropractor and just try to like get straight.
Speaker 10: And then you've seen the witch doctor before, No, you haven't.
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Speaker 9: At this point?
Speaker 1: I could talk about this for hours. Okay. First off,
Speaker 1: it's probably like a podcast or something. There's no way
Speaker 1: they're trying to start a wrestling promotion, like it's just
Speaker 1: number one, you know, Come on, Houlkin and Bischoff starting
Speaker 1: a wrestling promotion. The very idea is preposterous. But I
Speaker 1: mean even if, like even if they had Vince McMahon
Speaker 1: along with him and he had all this money, It's like,
Speaker 1: where are you gonna get talent? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Like all of the best talent, for the most part
Speaker 1: is like signed somewhere, and like if you're not signed
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Speaker 2: You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: Here on the show, Brian Alvarez here, Oh, I see
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Tom doesn't want me to make any mention of anything,
Speaker 1: so uh, I won't. All right, We're back here on
Speaker 1: the show, Brian, Mike Simpervie. There's always there's always what's
Speaker 1: the mystery?
Speaker 8: Oh, people don't want to talk about anything, do they?
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about some stuff, but I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna maybe maybe later this week. Maybe later this week.
Speaker 9: You know, you know what it is, Go ahead, you
Speaker 9: know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's like I really want AW to succeed, and like
Speaker 1: I see these things that happen all the time, and
Speaker 1: like they're little things that add up. But I always
Speaker 1: bang heads with these absolute hardcore AW fans who want
Speaker 1: like nothing to change, Like everything is fine and everything
Speaker 1: is good, and why do we need this is a
Speaker 1: big one. Why do we need video packages? It's okay
Speaker 1: for the announcer to just say something, I don't want
Speaker 1: video package. I don't want to be a hammer. It's
Speaker 1: just like, God, come on, man, Like this is basic
Speaker 1: common sense business to like have video packages on all
Speaker 1: your shows in case people missed it. Okay, I know
Speaker 1: you who are arguing with me. Never misses a show.
Speaker 1: I know you who are arguing with me. If you
Speaker 1: do miss a show, you find some way to go back.
Speaker 1: And okay, that's not everybody, and that's not even most people.
Speaker 1: Do you understand this guy today? Now I'm off? He
Speaker 1: says to me, are you ready?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, because I was arguing about why we needed
Speaker 1: video packages for like, you know, RAPONGI Vice apparently like
Speaker 1: they reunited and turned heel and like, I missed one show.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what's going on? And he says,
Speaker 1: for God's sake, use your TV time to reward your
Speaker 1: viewers who are watching, not to catch up the people
Speaker 1: who I may have missed the show because it was
Speaker 1: WrestleMania week. Okay, bro, come on listen. First off, that's
Speaker 1: that's passive aggressive behavior. Okay, So the promotion is to
Speaker 1: be like, oh, you skipped our show for another show,
Speaker 1: Well screw you, We're not gonna We're not gonna tell
Speaker 1: you what happened. You know you should have watched our show.
Speaker 1: That to me, as a fan, makes me feel like, dude, really,
Speaker 1: like there was a lot of shows that weekend. I
Speaker 1: had other stuff. I'm not cheating on you because there's
Speaker 1: other stuff that I had to watch, dude, like if
Speaker 1: the angle's important, like do a replay or whatever. And
Speaker 1: then the other thing is here's the thing about. Yes,
Speaker 1: you should reward your fans. You should you know your
Speaker 1: loyal fans or loyal fans and everything like that. But
Speaker 1: let me tell you, this isn't wrestling, guys. This is business. Okay.
Speaker 1: You own a business and X number of customers visit
Speaker 1: your business regularly. Okay, they're regular customers. Okay, no matter
Speaker 1: how well you treat them. If you have five hundred customers, okay,
Speaker 1: regular customers, over the course of five years, you will
Speaker 1: not have those same five hundred customers anymore. Okay. Some
Speaker 1: of them are going to die, some of them are
Speaker 1: going to move. Some of them, no matter how loyal
Speaker 1: they are, they're going to find another store nearby. And so,
Speaker 1: no matter what business you have, no matter how many
Speaker 1: customers or clients or whatever you have, you will always
Speaker 1: slowly be losing them. And if you do not replace
Speaker 1: them with new customers, you will go out of business.
Speaker 1: You will slowly trickle down and your business will die.
Speaker 1: There's one at the bottom of the hill. It's called
Speaker 1: Right Aid. Okay, the same people have been going to
Speaker 1: this Right Aid for seventy five years. I wandered in
Speaker 1: there the other day. There's no one there under the
Speaker 1: age of seventy five. They're all the same old people.
Speaker 1: Right Aid is not getting new young people to go
Speaker 1: to their store. They're and you know what, the show
Speaker 1: will The store will remain in business until tragically those
Speaker 1: people die, and then they will have no other customers. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't care how much you like aw You are
Speaker 1: slowly going to lose viewers, and if you don't replace
Speaker 1: them with new viewers, the show will trickle into death. Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: how do you get new viewers to watch the show? Well,
Speaker 1: if they miss a show, you help bring them up
Speaker 1: to speed. If they miss an angle, you help bring
Speaker 1: them up to speed. You don't punish them for missing
Speaker 1: a show. You don't say you know what, you should
Speaker 1: have watched over Mania weekend, or you should have flown
Speaker 1: home on Tuesday and found a way to watch collisions
Speaker 1: so you know what happens. You don't act passive aggressive
Speaker 1: to the people who are not the die hard fans. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you're a hardcore fan, you can like give them
Speaker 1: a little extra or whatever, you know, treat them right.
Speaker 1: But you must create a new audience. You must presume
Speaker 1: every show your goal is to create a new fan.
Speaker 9: That's it.
Speaker 1: Why is this even an argument. There's a reason that
Speaker 1: WWE now is significantly larger than they were in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: They didn't just please the fans they had in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen, they were losing fans hand over fist.
Speaker 1: So they found a way to not only replace the
Speaker 1: fans that they lost, but also create new fans on
Speaker 1: top of that. So if they had one thousand fans
Speaker 1: I'm just using an easy number, and they've lost five
Speaker 1: hundred of them over the last six years, they not
Speaker 1: only have got five hundred new fans to replace those people,
Speaker 1: but they've created another five hundred new fans on top
Speaker 1: of that, because now they have fifteen hundred fans. Okay,
Speaker 1: so how did they do that? Well, every show you're
Speaker 1: led by the hand because you may be a new
Speaker 1: viewer on any given day. I miss a show here
Speaker 1: and there, like I missed I think I missed this
Speaker 1: week's n XT. I think I missed a show, but like,
Speaker 1: I have no question what's going on because they told
Speaker 1: me everything when I tuned in on the next show.
Speaker 1: Unlike aw were oftentimes I miss one show, not even
Speaker 1: Dynamite a collision. I miss one show, and then next
Speaker 1: time I watched the show, I'm like, Trent's back, he's
Speaker 1: a heel. No, it's not enough to say Trent and
Speaker 1: Rocky reunited. They did. I even asked tamout, like I said,
Speaker 1: what happened? He goes? They they got involved in a
Speaker 1: match afterwards. I was like, against who he goes? I
Speaker 1: don't remember it was against Uh, He's like trying to
Speaker 1: remember what happened. They could have just showed just what happened,
Speaker 1: unless it's not important, in which case don't. Okay, but
Speaker 1: I'd like to think that Raponkivice reuniting and Trent coming
Speaker 1: back and being healthy enough to wrestle, and in Rocky
Speaker 1: turning heel and being a new tag team. Now, I
Speaker 1: like to think that's important. So like, show me what happened.
Speaker 1: If I miss the show, I just feel like I
Speaker 1: argue the same thing over and over and I'm just
Speaker 1: like pushed back on. No, we don't need recaps. No,
Speaker 1: we don't need recaps. It's up to the fans. It's
Speaker 1: up to the fans to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 1: It's up to the fans to like what is going
Speaker 1: on with Jeff, Jared and the oddities. I don't have
Speaker 1: any idea. I have to make it up in my head.
Speaker 1: What's happening here.
Speaker 9: That doesn't seem ideal? And you know what, Rocky and
Speaker 9: Trend are back together. There were pong Ice. Maybe you
Speaker 9: ought to explain that to everybody who is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know how many people have never even heard
Speaker 1: of her Pongkivice.
Speaker 9: A lot look Kenny Omega and Kazuchko Okada. For a
Speaker 9: lot of people who never saw Kazuchko Okada in New Japan,
Speaker 9: they cannot look at him in his aw form and
Speaker 9: get the fact that he was one of the great
Speaker 9: wrestlers I frankly of all time. And frankly, Omega and
Speaker 9: Okada together and New Japan were did amazing things. Like
Speaker 9: you may need to explain this backstory a lot more.
Speaker 9: Otherwise it's just this guy who is a complete cartoon
Speaker 9: who drops you know, the B word constantly. It's like,
Speaker 9: you know, okay, Yeah, his reputation is there. Start showing
Speaker 9: video packages, start hyping this thing up. It's supposed to
Speaker 9: be one of the cornerstones of your WrestleMania show coming up,
Speaker 9: and Okada is still playing goofball with Hangman Page. I mean,
Speaker 9: that's something you got to drive home to people that
Speaker 9: don't know about their story to try to make them
Speaker 9: care about it.
Speaker 1: See, I watched that TNA pl e. I went live
Speaker 1: over Wrestlmingia weekend, went to TNA. I had a good
Speaker 1: time at a fun time. The next day, Joe Hendry
Speaker 1: shows up at WrestleMania and whatever you think about the
Speaker 1: whole thing, it's like, wow, you know there's a TNA
Speaker 1: World Champion on WrestleMania. And so like this week over
Speaker 1: the weekend, you know, me, Vine and Craig, all of
Speaker 1: us were like, man, let's watch that TNA pay per view. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on. I don't watch TNA. Okay. So,
Speaker 1: like I watched the pay per view, and I will
Speaker 1: say they did a pretty good job. But as a
Speaker 1: first time viewer, there were things where it's like, who
Speaker 1: is this woman running in and why? And then they
Speaker 1: like the best they did was they threw her name
Speaker 1: out and I was like, that doesn't help. Who is she?
Speaker 1: Why is she interfering? And then you know, they kind
Speaker 1: of explained it there at the end, but like they
Speaker 1: had video packages for all the matches, and I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, I largely was kind of brought up to
Speaker 1: speed by how they did things on the pay per view,
Speaker 1: but they could have done better. And yes, as a fan,
Speaker 1: it does irritate me when WWE presumes they have a
Speaker 1: new audience and Michael Cole goes into Michael Cole mode
Speaker 1: where he has to over explain everything. But you know what,
Speaker 1: if I'm really a fan of WWE, then I will
Speaker 1: accept that because the point of it is to create
Speaker 1: new fans and grow the product and the business so
Speaker 1: I can watch a show and see seventeen thousand people
Speaker 1: there going haywire for everything that's going on, It's worth
Speaker 1: it to me as a fan to suffer a little
Speaker 1: bit with something that I find a little irritating if
Speaker 1: it's for the good of the entire company. And it's
Speaker 1: the same thing with a W and TNA and everyone else. Yes,
Speaker 1: you may not like recaps, that's fine, but do you
Speaker 1: like a W because if you're a fan, you should
Speaker 1: accept those because there's a reason for them, and it's
Speaker 1: called growing your business. Golly, I'm sorry, everybody.
Speaker 9: Sorry, needed to be said. It needed to be said, boss.
Speaker 9: These people need to know.
Speaker 8: Enough said.
Speaker 1: How'd you like SmackDown, Tom? You're a Smackdow reviewer.
Speaker 8: I thought it was a really good show.
Speaker 10: I mean that main event five stars, if you ask me,
Speaker 10: that was pretty awesome.
Speaker 8: TLC match between the Street Profits DIY and MotorCity machine
Speaker 8: Guns off the charts.
Speaker 10: And no commercials, not even I will yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: Anyways, I watched it, you know, start to finish, and
Speaker 8: it was fantastic, Like I said, but it wasn't overly dangerous,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean. Sometimes some of these matches
Speaker 8: rely on stuff that is just so over the top
Speaker 8: and violent, and this was not one of those. This
Speaker 8: was creative. It hit all the right spots at the
Speaker 8: right times. And I think it's, you know, one of
Speaker 8: the god one of the best tag matches of the year.
Speaker 8: You don't think it's, Brian, Is this up there with
Speaker 8: your vaunted speed jet Take it on? The Young Bucks
Speaker 8: from last week were the best tag matches of the
Speaker 8: year in one week.
Speaker 1: Oh It's like, who's the speed jet?
Speaker 9: I got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a great match, that Young Bucks match.
Speaker 1: But you know what, you know, there was one difference
Speaker 1: between the the Young Bucks match and that TLC match.
Speaker 1: I like the aw commentary team a lot, but holyokes,
Speaker 1: this Joe Testitur. I told you, bro, I told you. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: people think I won't admit I was wrong. Man, I
Speaker 1: was wrong, Dude. I thought, oh my god, here we
Speaker 1: are bringing another guy from outside of wrestling. He has
Speaker 1: a sports background. They've done this countless times. They come
Speaker 1: and go. It's like, you know, but this guy is
Speaker 1: not only great, but he is the best commentator in WWE.
Speaker 1: He's better than Wade Barrett. I mean, he's better than everybody.
Speaker 1: He's better than Corey Graves. I know people love Corey Graves.
Speaker 1: Joe Testador is the best commentator in all of WWE.
Speaker 1: He is freaking awesome. He's miles better than Michael Cole.
Speaker 1: He's just great.
Speaker 10: Jiminey Christmas, you know, is this the strongest commentary team
Speaker 10: they've had.
Speaker 8: Bottom Definitely in a long time, I would say, But really.
Speaker 9: Your bench is essentially Corey Graves in NXT, who was
Speaker 9: fantastic at what he does. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 9: see where they're at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's something else, dude. And there's like no
Speaker 1: bad commentators. Some people will say Booker t but like
Speaker 1: he entertains me. He's not the sole commentator. He's he's
Speaker 1: like he's color commentary. What's color commentary supposed to be?
Speaker 1: Brings some color to the show. I got a guy
Speaker 1: calling all the moves and everything like that and telling
Speaker 1: the stories, and then you got Booker saying shucky ducky
Speaker 1: quack quack here and there. It makes me laugh, makes
Speaker 1: me mad. He brings emotion out of me much better
Speaker 1: than a robot.
Speaker 9: Which is what you want out of these guys. Like
Speaker 9: there's people that don't like Joe tessitur doing football, college
Speaker 9: football and other things, but that's Gus Johnson is another
Speaker 9: person who's a lightning rod. But you're also not going
Speaker 9: to watch the game because they're on there. Pat McAfee
Speaker 9: can be really annoying sometimes and maybe you know, it's
Speaker 9: we'll see how it goes with the gun. Third thing,
Speaker 9: maybe they should give him some time off, you know,
Speaker 9: before he comes back. But it's break time back in.
Speaker 1: A moment Observer Live.
Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
Speaker 2: and Mike simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1: In the show, Brian Albarez here Wrestling Observer Alive, Lance
Speaker 1: texta he goes, I just watched a Bosh Legacy on
Speaker 1: Amazon as a streaming series. Nobody is watching episode four
Speaker 1: without seeing episode one. However, they do a previously on
Speaker 1: recap before every episode just to remind you of important
Speaker 1: stuff on the previous show because people with a life
Speaker 1: can't remember everything.
Speaker 9: Yes, yeah, yeah, some people shade, but it's true.
Speaker 8: Guess what they do before every single fight in the
Speaker 8: UFC They show you a little recap about the guy
Speaker 8: because more than likely you don't know who the hell
Speaker 8: they are if throw on the undercard.
Speaker 10: Yeah, but it helps a lot.
Speaker 1: It does help a lot. Tom, what do you got
Speaker 1: coming up?
Speaker 9: Hello?
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Speaker 8: you don't have your tickets yet, you're probably not gonna
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Speaker 8: W title for JCW Jersey Championship Wrestling the following week
Speaker 8: aiw Wrestling at the Globe in Cleveland, and then the
Speaker 8: day after that, Brian, it's you and me and.
Speaker 10: Kurt Angle.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. We'll be plugging that more in
Speaker 1: the next couple of weeks, but if you're in the
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Speaker 1: Angle everything. I'd say it all right, We got to
Speaker 1: wrap it up, everybody, but I'll be back later on
Speaker 1: tonight with Dave, David and I were up last night
Speaker 1: and a Brian Davinian Craig show talking to TNA pay
Speaker 1: per view. Lots of up there, more coming up tonight,
Speaker 1: and that's it everybody. We'll talk to you next time
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