WEBVTT - Catching Up With Friends: Rebecca Wisocky (S3 E16 "Frenemies") 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:09.800 you a Charlotte? 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:12.680 Hi? Everyone, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? 0:00:12.680 --> 0:00:14.920 Today we have a fun episode of Catching Up with 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:18.800 Friends with the fantastic Rebecca Osaki, who plays one of 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:24.480 my sorority sisters in the wonderful episode of Frenemies from 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:29.840 two thousands, season three, episode sixteen, and you. I'm sure 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:33.280 we'll recognize her. She's incredibly gorgeous. She's currently on a 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:36.960 CBS show called Ghosts, and it's really fun to catch 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.599 up with her. So please join me in catching up 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:40.680 with Rebecca. 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.479 Oh, how are you? 0:00:44.000 --> 0:00:46.839 I'm very good. I'm so excited to be doing this 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:47.239 with you. 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.440 Oh, thank you so much for doing it. 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.280 We love to have our little segment called catching up 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:56.720 with Friends because it's fun because everyone has such different memories, 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:03.160 and I'm just so curious what your I have very 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:06.919 little memories. I remember being so stressed when we filmed 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:07.560 that scene. 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:12.240 Yes, okay, so late nineties. Everyone in New York wanted 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:15.199 to be on your show, and it was a very 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:15.800 small part. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:17.520 I don't know if you even can recall it. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:19.880 Yes again, I just rewatched it. 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:21.640 It was my very first job. 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:28.360 Because I was working deep downtown theater, dance theater, and 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.240 it was so It's notable for me in many ways, 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.959 my very first, my very first real job. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:38.000 Was it scary? I mean, you know, yeah, sure it 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:39.160 was nice, lovely. 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:40.880 I don't know if you well you say you remember 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:42.440 being stressed, but you were very nice. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:43.520 I'm so glad, thank you. 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.119 Good Ava Kabakappa. Ladies did bond and we stayed friends after. 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:50.400 I haven't talked to either of them in years, but 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:55.320 both very talented actors. You had many great you know, 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.120 downtown theater actors on that show. 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.480 Yeah, we really made an effort, and I think that's 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.320 what help make the show what it was. People might 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:04.960 not have known that who are watching it, but you know, 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:09.680 we knew and like the level you know of I 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:13.080 think Michael Patrick also like very you know, he wants 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.160 everyone to be like just on it, you know, in 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:15.799 a way. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.760 That theater actors are just already prepared to be. You 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:20.840 don't have to explain it, you know. 0:02:21.000 --> 0:02:23.320 Yeah, And I think that's part of what made this 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.760 show so rich, is that, like all, even a technically 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:30.160 small part, people were just so super talented and ready. 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:34.320 You know, people still stop me. People actually still recognize 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.600 me and text me about it. I saw you on 0:02:36.680 --> 0:02:39.440 the Pathetic, Yeah, I mean you know this whoa. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.800 But it was such an important moment in television, and 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:48.200 it was such an iconic group of women that we 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:50.240 were so dying to see. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.760 So this angle of your podcast is also very, very smart. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.239 So thank you, thank you. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.160 I enjoyed doing it, and part of what's fun is 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.800 getting to hear other people's perspective of what it was like. 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.639 So take us back, like, how did you get the part? 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:07.480 I mean again, I was making the rounds, so somewhat 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.760 fresh out of school, out of acting school, doing a 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:14.000 lot of theater, and I actually auditioned for the pilot, 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:20.639 which part for Samantha Probaly in a million years I 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.040 would have ever gotten. But that's how I was perceived 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:29.400 in that moment, probably probably how I perceived myself in 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:34.160 my twenties. Turns out I'm not at all a Samantha, 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:36.800 much more like a charlottecause you know, I ended up 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:38.600 marrying the good guy after my. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.880 Bigs, you know, got it. So yeah, I mean it 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:44.080 was an audition, like you know. 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:45.880 Of course, right what. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:47.680 It was over twenty five years. 0:03:47.480 --> 0:03:49.320 Ago I'm aware. 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.360 It's crazy, right, it's crazy to think about. 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.240 So you auditioned and then did you so you're aware 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:55.760 of the show and you were like, yes, yes, I 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:57.200 want to be on it. I don't care if it's 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.160 you know, this part of that part or whatever. Right, 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:00.119 like you were gay. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.520 Yeah, Downtown Theater actor. There was no part that was 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.600 too small. I was just so and it was just 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:07.800 such a I mean, it was such a sexy credit 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.240 and it was just was such a fun thing to 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.800 be a part of, even just for a scene and 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:15.120 a very notable episode. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.800 You guys coined that. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.159 Term friend of me is yes. 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:24.680 I mean, look, I always feel very nervous about saying 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.359 that we coined anything because I just feel like it 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.320 seems like maybe it might not be true. 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:30.560 Right. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:33.599 It's really hard to get to the actual origins of 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:35.600 a new word, do you know what I mean? But 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:40.080 it was certainly a big introduction of the world, to 0:04:40.160 --> 0:04:42.800 the culture, to the popular culture, you know what I'm 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.400 saying too, because and also the concept the name and 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.760 the concept of like what does frenemies mean? And I 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:52.080 think it's such a great, great episode that really stands up, 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.200 you know, so beautifully. Now when I rewatched it, I 0:04:55.240 --> 0:04:58.240 was like, wow, you know, that's really really good. There's 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.240 so many different angles, you know, two frenemies and what 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:05.200 it means, and I had I only vaguely remember this 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.080 because Charlotte had so many kind of interesting different you know, 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.320 she's so unexpected at times, and this is one of 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.800 those kind of unexpected things that now is a meme 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.840 that's super embarrassing, but whatever, it's cool. The thing that 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.599 I mostly remember about that, I remember feeling excited that 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:27.200 I got to go backwards, you know, that Charlotte's like, oh, 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:28.880 I need to be with my you know, with my 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.600 normal girlfriends or whatever, and that I wear this sweater 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.080 over my shoulders, and that had been something that I 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.800 hated to do. Like every part I've ever played in 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.120 my life, I feel like some costume designer tries to 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.040 put a shoulder through the girl. 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.599 Oh yes, And I just hate it because it's so preppy. 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:46.440 And I grew up in the South where like it's 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.120 you know, Preppyville, and I was like, it's just too 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.200 on the nose, right, But for that scene, it was 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.320 perfection that that's what Charlotte would do going back to 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:57.200 see her college girlfriends. But I remember being stressed because 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.480 I had to get drunk and say the crazy like. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:01.800 Don't you e or just want to you know? 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:04.599 And then I remember I had to throw that money 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.920 back like it was a physically challenging thing to do, 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:09.960 like I had to get up and store them off 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.880 and then throw the money and then it landed in 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:13.480 the glass. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.800 Do you remember this, I doe. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:19.000 You didn't seem to be it didn't seem to be 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:21.520 anything that was that complicated for you. 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:25.599 You did it. Yeah, that's that acrobatic. But maybe you 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:26.480 made it look easy. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.040 That's so funny to me that you because I obviously, 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:32.280 first of all, thank you for the opportunity to deep dive, 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.599 because I, like everyone else in America watched the show. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.640 Well not everyone, most women watch that show every damn week, 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:42.919 but I have not seen it in many years, and 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:44.520 so I took a little deep dive and I couldn't 0:06:44.520 --> 0:06:46.479 stop watching, and I binged a bunch of them again. 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.839 But I'm surprised to hear you say that in the 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.599 front of Me's episode, that was anything you were concerned 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:57.360 about because you had when you stand in your bedroom. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.479 Oh yeah, oh I was concerned about that. 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:04.880 You I mean that was such a beautiful scene, no vulnerable, 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:08.400 important scene for that character, and I had forgotten about 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.840 that part of the episode, you know, Yeah, I mean 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:13.320 that that scene specifically happens, so. 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.600 I forgot that that was in the same episode. And 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.120 that's one thing I do think when I rewatch is 0:07:19.240 --> 0:07:22.120 the writing is just so good that there's there's so 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:27.760 many like interesting, emotional, kind of important moments that happen 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.160 for all the characters. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.040 And division between them too. 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.720 Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's really so much. And in 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.800 my mind, those two those two storyline, that those are 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.920 separate storylines right in my head, so I don't even 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:44.880 put them still after rewatching in the same one like. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.240 For me, you guys. And also I think it's because of. 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.240 The memes, because memes rule our lives now right in 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:53.320 a weird way. And because I do this podcast. My 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:56.080 phone shows me so much sex and the city content. 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:59.040 Oh my good lord, I didn't really know before I 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.040 started this podcast how much was out there. 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:01.920 People. 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.960 It's so fascinating. It's amazing. 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.840 It's it's truly amazing and continually amazing. But I do 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.520 think again that there's just so many different reasons for that, 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.080 and I think A lot of it was the writing. 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.440 I think the writing was just so brave and deep 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:19.680 and funny, and it's hard to be deep and funny 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.440 at the same time, and also unlike anything else, as 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.200 you mentioned. But then also just the actors, like so 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.520 many incredible actors joined us, like yourself, and then you've 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:42.439 gone on to have these great careers. Take me back 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.520 to your thoughts, like, Okay, it's your first TV job. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:47.160 Yeah, you'd been. 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:49.800 Theater, theater or theater, and when you got there, did 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.320 you think like, wow, this is wacky or did you think, wow, 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:53.120 this is great? 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:54.560 What did you think of the day? 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.920 I'll be one honest with you, because back then and 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:00.720 this is what the Law and Order and the sopranos 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:04.000 and all this other stuff was for theater, especially Downtown 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:09.800 Theater paid absolutely zero dollars, so I we had I 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:11.920 think you guys ran over the first day we were 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:15.000 scheduled to do the scene ways and it was on 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:18.839 a Friday, and so me and Vivian Benish and Sherry 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.199 Parker Lee, who were the Kapa Kapa kappas, we had 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.360 to go home, not shoot the scene, and come back 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:26.319 like four days later, which means we got. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.000 Paid more money. Great, I have to say back there 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.959 in the day, like that was that was the first 0:09:31.960 --> 0:09:34.480 thing that was like, okay, great. 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.360 You of course, and you were always like, she's fantastic, 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:40.559 this is lovely. 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:41.040 You know. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:43.480 I'm glad. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:46.520 Did it take forever when we did finally film it? 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:48.959 Not to my recollection, no, I did. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:50.960 Oh well, that's amazing. 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.920 One of the reasons might have been I looked back 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:56.439 and I noticed that your director was Michael Spiller. 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.719 Who was your DP right most of the season, right right. 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:02.640 He might have been a little faster. I don't know. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.400 I mean, yeah, maybe he was. I don't really remember 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:06.480 him being faster. 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:10.839 I don't remember anyone being faster really, because we would 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:12.800 just film all night long until the sun came up 0:10:12.880 --> 0:10:16.319 so many days, and I remember just being just delirious 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.600 half the time, you know, and trying to be like, oh. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.440 Get what's that you got to act? 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:26.920 You know, And especially especially once third season is really 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.200 in my mind, when everything kind of like amped up 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:32.760 in terms of the response and award shows and all 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.160 that extra stuff you know, that you're doing on top 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.080 of the show. And then fourth season I've just started 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.600 watching and I have like no memories, which I just 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.520 think I at some point got kind of overwhelmed, you know, 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:48.320 in a way. Yeah, but I in a good way, right, 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.960 in a positive way. I was loving everything and just 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.439 trying to function through it, like how can I do 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.320 this the best I can do it? But also I 0:10:56.400 --> 0:11:00.000 need to go to sleep and fully emerge. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:02.760 You know. We do twenty two episodes a season, and 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.240 on the show that I'm doing, no way wrapped our 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:12.120 fifth season fully don't recall a lot, and we shoot 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.000 on location in Montreal too, so it really feels like 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:21.200 we're you know, it's another life that completely takes. 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.679 Over, because it is. It is another life that takes over. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.560 But also I'm so thrilled they're doing twenty two like 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:27.320 the olden days. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.319 That's amazing, I know, I know, I feel. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.559 Really really lucky. I know how lucky I am, especially. 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.000 In this point now, to have a job that I love, 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.960 that people are enjoying watching, and most importantly the company 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:42.560 of actors that they have because it's a big main 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:45.439 past and we all really really love each other. We're 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.280 all of us are most of us at least come 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.440 from the theater, so everyone knows what it means to 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.840 be an ensemble which is so important. 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:55.840 That's so great, that's so great. 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.040 I'm so happy to hear that, because you just don't 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.880 know these days, it's just so rare, few and far 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.360 between that that's the situation. So I'm so happy for you. 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:08.959 That's amazing. Five seasons. Also, like whoa never happens these days? 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:12.360 I know, I know in Montreal incredible. 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:16.120 Have you been to Montreal never? You should visit. It's 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:17.040 really pretty. 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:18.079 People love it. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.600 A little Paris in the Old Town area. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.800 Yeah, I've worked in every other Canadian city but that one. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.959 Yeah, yeah, yeah, well you should come beyond ghosts. I 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.320 can tell them to call me Rebecca. I'll do it. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:33.200 I'll do it. 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:38.559 Our whole crew are Francophons, so the whole crew speaks French. 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.679 Every business. If you call any business there, they are 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.920 actually mandated by law to answer the phone initially in French. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:49.360 Wow. Cool, we're in a foreign country. I love that 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:51.600 very beautiful food town. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:56.160 Oh my god, incredible. Okay, so take me back. Let's 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.240 go back to Sextant City many many years ago. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.480 It airs. What was response like, how did you feel 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:02.240 when you watched it? 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.720 I was thrilled, I mean, first of all, to be 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.800 able to tell my parents that they could see my 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:13.000 work in a way that didn't require them to take 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.520 a train to New York on. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:16.560 The Lower East Side. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.360 That was thrilling, and it just was exciting. It was, 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:22.880 like I said, it was the show everyone wanted to 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:23.160 be on. 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:24.840 Oh sweet? 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.280 Did you feel as a theater actor? I know, like 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.640 for me, I was trained in the theater. I never 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.960 really thought i'd be on TV. And I did a 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.240 bunch of commercials, I did other things, but like, whenever 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.800 I would watch myself, I'd just be like, what, like 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.720 it was so odd on camera? 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:40.880 Yeah. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.880 Yeah, I don't love watching myself, but I think I 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.040 needed to stop being self conscious at a certain point, 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:48.880 you know for sure. 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.360 Yeah, so it wasn't traumatic. You were just like, that's cool, 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:53.800 it's good. 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.600 I mean no, I probably hated the way I looked, 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:01.840 but also I love and I have. I've been lucky 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.360 enough to be given a wide breadth of parts to play, which, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:08.040 as you well know, is not usual in this business. 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:13.200 I am often asked to play the personnickety, uptight fancy lady, 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:16.080 which so my first TV job. 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:17.600 Playing match an structure. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.680 Maybe maybe, yeah, definitely, definitely. 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.560 I mean you did a great job, like, you're so believable, 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.960 and I remember that all of you were so nice, right, 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:27.920 so I kind of felt bad that you had to 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:29.840 be like bitchy kind of or whatever. 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:31.359 But you all did it beautifully. 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:32.480 Oh it was fun. 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:33.760 Yeah, it seemed very grounded. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:35.040 Yeah. 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.040 Yeah, so when you were on and so you're still 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.480 out there, you're auditioning, you're doing all the things. And 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:42.520 then did people recognize you back at the day, Like 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:43.800 did people talk to you on the street? 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:44.400 What was it like? 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.880 I don't remember, but shortly after I booked a role 0:14:47.880 --> 0:14:51.920 in The Sopranos, and I would imagine that, you know, 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.720 being given that HBO like oh she's a probably meant 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.040 a lot, you know. I mean people don't know initially 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.400 if someone, if a young actor can handle themselves on 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:04.960 a set in any way, you know, for the you know, 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:08.520 have getting that first job for anybody is super important 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.000 and the fact that it was such a you know, 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:11.320 important show. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:12.280 Yeah. 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.760 Oh my gosh. Where did you film your Sopranos at 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.240 Silver Cuppers out in the world? 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.440 No, I don't think Silver cup existed. 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:23.320 Oh no, it existed, It exists. Yeah, that's where we were. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:24.440 That's where we were filming. 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.360 We shot our thing on location in Chelsea somewhere. 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:28.720 Oh got it? 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:28.920 Got it? 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.720 Yeah? No, we and the Sopranos were both at Silver Cup. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:34.280 No, so Sopranos. We didn't shoot silver Cup. 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:38.480 We shot someplace out in New Jersey. 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.120 Oh yeah, yeah, I got it. Your own location in Jersey. 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.920 Oh. I probably took a bus from Silver Cup. Sure. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.320 I took a bus from Silver Cup. 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.840 A bunch of the other actors, and I ate a 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:49.800 juturo and a bunch of other people to go out 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.040 and do the table read when you all you know, 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:56.920 by any table reads with everyone all in one intimidating room. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:00.040 Oh my god, the Sopranos table read. I can I 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.640 don't imagine such a big cast too, such a great, 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.240 great cast. Was it scary? 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:17.600 That was scary? 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.080 The thing that I do remember is so David Chase. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.960 So in the audition, I played in a US an attorney, 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:27.840 United States attorney that. 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:30.400 Comes Johnny away. I'll tell the story briefly as it's 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.440 not so Oh no, we love it well. So I 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:34.720 was young and dumb enough. 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:36.480 First of all, it was back in the day when 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:40.280 you know, auditions were fifty other people waiting in the 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.760 waiting room, paper thin audition room. Everyone could hear everyone 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:46.600 else's audition. I believe David Chase was in the room. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:47.560 He had to have been. 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:52.160 And so there's this long indictment that's meant to be 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:55.680 read in the Supreme court, you know, State Supreme Court. 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.640 And he's I remember him saying, that's great, Yes, I really, 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:03.680 but don't like make it really feel like you're reading it, 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.920 because it's this is a very precise legal document, you know, 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:07.920 it's this is. 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.040 Not something exemporaneous. And I said, got it. 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:14.240 So I got the job, and like a complete lunatic, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.919 I show up and I'm like, okay, so I'm just 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:17.879 not going to memorize it. 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:22.560 And it bit me in the ass because we're just. 0:17:22.480 --> 0:17:23.760 Like, yeah, you need to hold the paper just a 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:25.000 little bit further away from your face. 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:26.480 I'm just a little bit further and I'm. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.199 Like, yeah, so I just had to like but like 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:31.919 in between takes, I would just run out of the 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:34.560 room and just like try to flash memorize these things 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.879 because I didn't want to disappoint. But of course, a 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.000 really great lesson to learn in your early twenties too, 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:44.400 Like no matter what anyone says, be prepared for every 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:45.720 possible Oh. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:48.000 My god, Yes, that's terrifying. 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.640 That was really terrifying because I just did not want 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.160 to disappoint that corset. 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.040 No, you would want to be like super achame. 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.040 But I also could see as an actor why that 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.960 would have meant, don't memorize because he told me to 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.720 read right like, I can see both sides. But then 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:07.040 of course you don't know what's going to happen. But 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.160 I mean, I do feel when you're young, like you're 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.119 like like, I mean, I never did this because I 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:13.320 was already sober. But you know when people would would 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.240 have have scenes where they were supposed to be drunk, 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:16.879 they'd be like, Okay, I need to I need to 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.359 go out the night before and get drunk so that 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.520 I'm like still whatever. People do crazy things, is my point, 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.080 you know what I mean. I never did that. 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.880 But yeah, never did that. No, no, me, neither me neither. 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.600 Well. How amazing that you were on our show and 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:32.040 their show at the same time, like roughly meaning time period. 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:35.679 That's incredible. What a great, great beginning to your career. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.200 Elements was changing in such a radical way with those 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:43.000 two shows that that's you guys were both started late nineties, right. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.600 Yeah, we when we filmed our pilot was ninety seven, 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:51.240 and HBO when they sent the contract, they were like, oh, 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.280 we can't play with pay with the network's pay. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.040 We're not a real network. We're just beginning. No no, no, no no. 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:57.080 We were like, oh. 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:57.640 God, all right. 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.639 And then for our crew, we filmed our pilot I 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:04.360