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Speaker 1: I was getting excited last night. Hey, go going to

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Speaker 2: Stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 2: That's funny you said that. Nor's like, what are you

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Speaker 1: I mean in seasons comming up or down bank sums on.

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Speaker 2: I love my black car covered yellow dust every morning.

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Speaker 5: I thought it was just an l Triple P podcast

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Speaker 5: beat Spart but throwing some pollen.

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Speaker 2: Rodni, We're giving away pollen at the live show, A

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Speaker 2: So anyway, go get your tickets. That link is in

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Speaker 2: Only four games on last night, but some entertaining games.

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Speaker 2: The game of the night was that Pacers Bucks game.

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Speaker 2: Pacers needing a three pointer to tie the Bucks in

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Speaker 2: He elevates while he's fading into the corner over Yannis

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, twenty one lead changes, twenty two ties. These

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Speaker 4: Two seasons now. They got another one coming up this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Played what eleven times last season because they played five

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Speaker 4: So always fun games.

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Speaker 2: The brilliance of that spread offense football like play for

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Speaker 4: What a shot?

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the Bucks are also Look where they're lined up.

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Speaker 2: So you're now you're literally trying to play defense as

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Speaker 5: Giannis went to the free throw line. Naw, that didn't

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Speaker 2: Bucks have a super tough part of their schedules coming

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Speaker 4: So it's yeah, they got a tough stre.

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Speaker 1: One of the best teams in the league with one

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Speaker 1: You get backloaded schedules, so you have to play really,

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Speaker 4: The Bucks just made too.

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Speaker 1: Many mistakes in this game, fifteen turnovers, allowed to pay

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Speaker 2: It seemed like, Yeah, Eric name Bucks athletic beat writer.

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Speaker 2: Giannis scoring thirty one points per game, they have Dean

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Speaker 4: And it's not.

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Speaker 2: And that I was like, wow, that is perplexing because

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Speaker 2: defensively they're somehow better than they are offensively despite all

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Speaker 1: I just hit you with Eric name was cooking. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: They're gonna They're gonna be a weird one though, right

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Speaker 2: Sure I could see it, but you know, they could

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Speaker 2: When you get into playoff games and you could see,

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Speaker 4: If not further. So yeah, I don't know goes across

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Speaker 1: It is. It's true.

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Speaker 5: I would take the Bucks in a series against the

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Speaker 5: Indiana Pacers. It's easy to say that looking zooming out

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Speaker 1: Do you say that?

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Speaker 5: I think they have what it takes here in this

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Speaker 5: many mistakes. That's what this game came down to. The

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Speaker 5: the Damian Lillard pocket passes or just not good passes, yeah, sloppy, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: fourth quarter. Well, Brooke came through five shots, five for

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Speaker 5: five in that fourth quarter. It was monstrous. That being said,

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Speaker 5: I just said those names as the award and you

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Speaker 2: It was just the fifth regular season instance of a

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Speaker 4: This is rare that we saw that last night.

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Speaker 2: Hell was shot. Let's keep it going. Cavaliers beat the

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Speaker 2: Nets one O nine, one O four for their second

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Calves care about being great. You know. I

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Speaker 1: three long win streaks. They got a fifteen to fifteen

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Speaker 1: at it. I was watching the Nets broadcast somehow, even

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Speaker 1: Johnson just kind of fell asleep here. So yeah, a

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Speaker 1: couple of mistakes down the stretch for the Nets Epps,

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Speaker 1: but that's a good tank loss for them, and nice

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Speaker 1: stuff for the Cavs. They really, I mean, they're the

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Speaker 1: to be able to clinch their division on March eleventh.

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Speaker 1: This is the fifth best start in NBA history. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: What a start they can They finish fifteen and two

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Speaker 2: and win seventy games.

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Speaker 4: It's in play very much.

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Speaker 2: It might now it might get a little weird at

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Speaker 4: Not that it matters sometimes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they have a pretty deep team, but I

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Speaker 4: But it's insane that we're even like debating that.

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Speaker 2: Like good, I guess.

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Speaker 5: I heard Jared Allen say he wants to play eighty

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Speaker 5: fun to watch it out. It's been an incredible start

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Speaker 5: and then Darius Garland plays all twelve minutes of that

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Speaker 5: showing what he's got. That skip across the lane on

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Speaker 1: He is clutch.

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Speaker 5: That's clutch stats fifty eight point seven percent in clutch.

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Speaker 5: That is freaking amazing. It's better than Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 1: That bikes set.

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Speaker 5: Jalen Brunson is the guy for New York with, which

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Speaker 5: But that being said, it's just great to see Garland

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Speaker 5: looks damn good. He took over that fourth quarter, ten shots,

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Speaker 1: He won it.

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Speaker 2: This is how good Ty Jerome has been this season.

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Speaker 2: I accidentally mistake, mistook him for Evan Mobley. Mobley played

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Evan Mobley in the fourth quarter when he knocked

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, off work pop.

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Speaker 5: From yeah yeah yeah yeah. No Jerome no, Jeandre Hunter

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Speaker 5: nod Anthony Melton A but Donovan Mitchell wearing that hockey jersey,

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Speaker 5: They supposed to call it, I guess, but what I

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Speaker 4: So far, so good, seventy wins.

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Speaker 5: Other than that thing on the score bug that we

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Speaker 5: When it's a tie game.

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Speaker 1: That's weird.

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Speaker 4: Just get rid of it. At that point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 4: I did. Hear left Goo making fun of it a

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Speaker 1: You really need it in a close game too. Great

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Speaker 1: stuff from Donovan Mitchell eating his popcorn on the sideline

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Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: It's like a trailer for his own prank on a rookie. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love each other man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Eli, Speaking of pranks, did anybody ever watch that

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Speaker 1: No, it's a noe for me.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen a single thing about it.

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Speaker 5: Call that came out on All Star Week. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: I saw the promo.

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Speaker 4: I haven't watched it.

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Speaker 1: Dipped in.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about Kid Cunningham leading the Pistons past

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Speaker 2: the NBA worst Wizards one twenty three, one to oh three.

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Speaker 4: Physical game. Things got chippy early in this.

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Speaker 2: We had Keishaw George shoving Cunningham, who then shoved back

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Speaker 2: later in the game, Washington's were Shawn Holmes, He's ejected

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Speaker 2: old big man thing like I'm just gonna swing here

439
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,439
Speaker 2: because he had sort of two guys on him and

440
00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,399
Speaker 2: one of them caught Thompson. He got ejected for that.

441
00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 2: And then a few minutes later Marcus Smart he got

442
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,320
Speaker 2: assessed a flagger at one foul for elbowing Tim Hardaway Junior.

443
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,760
Speaker 2: So yeah, some sparks here between Piston's Wizards.

444
00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 1: They were fighting the first six minutes of this game.

445
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,359
Speaker 1: That was pretty sick. If we invited all of the

446
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 1: Washington Wizards to our live show in Atlanta, I would

447
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,240
Speaker 1: say up or down on Ludacris, and they would say

448
00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,199
Speaker 1: up because they throw them bows. But I mean, honestly,

449
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,920
Speaker 1: you put Isaiah Stewart and Marcus Smart on the same courty,

450
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 1: are gonna fight Isaiah Stewart, big bodied Marcus Smart on

451
00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 1: a layup, Smart gets up, He's like, I'm not the one.

452
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm not the guy to be doing that too. There

453
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 1: was the moment where Poole pushes Jalen Durham, Jalen Jury

454
00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,960
Speaker 1: just points at him. That was amazing, Duran said at halftime.

455
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 1: The chippiness makes us better. A lot of teams aren't

456
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 1: ready to play the way we're playing with that energy.

457
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 1: It's like, Stuart, have you seen a basketball highlight of

458
00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 1: this guy? All he does is block shots and getting fights.

459
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 1: Ron Holland, all he does is gets it and fights

460
00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 1: as well. Then you got Malik Beasley out there, he

461
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 1: hits threes and then shimmy's right in your face. Has

462
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: to be infuriating. And honestly, the Wizards are playing with

463
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,400
Speaker 1: a little chip on their shoulder too, since Marcus Smart came,

464
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,399
Speaker 1: since Chris Middleton came. Chris Middleton pushing guys around, I know,

465
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,359
Speaker 1: but it like they're showing a little toughness here. I

466
00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 1: really I saw in the Raptors game is like at

467
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,640
Speaker 1: the end of the half, it was like bub Carrington

468
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 1: was going up to R. D. Barrett like touching his

469
00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,560
Speaker 1: own cheek, like here, hit me in the face if

470
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: you want to. That's how chippy the Wizards are. Amazingly,

471
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,159
Speaker 1: these two teams play again on Thursday. That's gonna be

472
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 1: a dud, that's not gonna be under control. But wish else.

473
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: That's fun to watch him. Man Jalen Duran was awesome

474
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,679
Speaker 1: and this one as well. It felt like in the

475
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 1: first half every one of his plays with a massive

476
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 1: alley dunk and Cade was just the man. They didn't

477
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: really have an answer for him. He was setting the table,

478
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 1: get into his spots when he needed to. The calm

479
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Speaker 1: presence I suppose on the pistons.

480
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't think Chris Middleton had that sort of

481
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 5: fight in him, that he would be that scrappy, but

482
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 5: I did hear it Thani Saditic Goobo, his former teammate

483
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 5: with Milochey Bucks, on a podcast I don't know. It

484
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 5: was a clip of a podcast where he said, now

485
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,680
Speaker 5: he's not that chill, he could get a little feisty,

486
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 5: and he got fisty. I like seeing Keyshawn George on

487
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 5: that side being a little feisty as a young guy

488
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 5: who looks very good for them, as a point forward

489
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 5: type of guy they were lacking in the starting lineup.

490
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 5: Their bench came out and did fight, and Rashawn Holmes

491
00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 5: did fight and got out of there out of the game,

492
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 5: which was very funny. That being said, Kate was just

493
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 5: the guy in this game. He was just masterful. They

494
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,879
Speaker 5: really didn't have anybody for him. That's a period.

495
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 2: Detroit has a top ten defense now in the season,

496
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 2: best defense in the league or the last fifteen games.

497
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 2: So yeah, they are locking in on that end. You know,

498
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 2: they beat the Wizards here, so let's not get too excited.

499
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 2: But with the win and the Milwaukee loss, Pistons are

500
00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:20,439
Speaker 2: now in a virtual tie here with the Bucks and

501
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:24,240
Speaker 2: the Pacers for the fourth seat as all three teams are,

502
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,920
Speaker 2: I guess, eighteen and a half games behind the Cavaliers

503
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 2: in the East. But it's it's Milwaukee, it's Indiana, and

504
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,199
Speaker 2: it's Detroit. I think we have the standings there. But

505
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: we are going to have Detroit hosting the Wizards again

506
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 2: on Thursday, like you said, So.

507
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 4: There it is. There's the Eastern Conference standings.

508
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 1: Wow, it's crazy. The Central Division's going to send five

509
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 1: teams to the playoffs.

510
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 4: Yes, if we count the play in tournament. You're absolutely right.

511
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Speaker 1: You don't think the Balls are going to win the

512
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: play in No watch.

513
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Speaker 2: Just watching, Okay, okay, Bulls will be back in the

514
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Speaker 2: actual playoffs.

515
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a looking forward to that one to

516
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: eight match up against the Cavaliers slaying fun night if

517
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: you're a Midwesterner. Yes, like it was all every game

518
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:06,680
Speaker 1: was on at the same time.

519
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, early games last year.

520
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say about Detroit, they literally could go

521
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 5: up to fourth and host a home playoff series. Would

522
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 5: be amazing.

523
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

524
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Speaker 5: I think the team that they don't want they don't

525
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 5: want to see Yannis in the Bucks. And I'm not

526
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 5: just saying that because I'm a Yannis fan. I just

527
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 5: think they don't have a matchup for him.

528
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Speaker 4: Do you think they prefer to play the Knicks or

529
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:26,719
Speaker 4: the Pacers?

530
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Speaker 5: I think they would.

531
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Speaker 1: I think they should.

532
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Speaker 4: That's interesting. Yeah, I'm not disagreeing with it.

533
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah.

534
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Speaker 2: Do you have a preference of who you want to see?

535
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 2: Like just give your dreams sort of like I guess

536
00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 2: we're looking at three six here in four five of

537
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,399
Speaker 2: those like sort of four teams in play there. What

538
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: would you like to see in the first round?

539
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Speaker 1: I mean I do like Milwaukee in Indiana. Yeah, square

540
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: knock again, they've played, like you said, eleven times last

541
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Speaker 1: year they had a playoff series. You know, obviously Honest

542
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: was down, so things changed. But I would like to

543
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 1: see them both full strength going against each other. So

544
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Speaker 1: I guess that leaves three to six. Well, Detroit Detroit,

545
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: it would be Look, I would still probably favor New York, yeah,

546
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: in that matchup, but I think it would be a

547
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: very good test for them to handle the physicality that

548
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: the Pistons bring.

549
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Speaker 4: I think you're right. I think you're right. It could

550
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 4: be pretty fun.

551
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: Detroit maybe stealing one in Madison Square Garden game one

552
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 2: or two, and then it gets really spicy.

553
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 4: I think I could see that. But there it is

554
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 4: right now. Lots of basketball still.

555
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 2: To be played, so that'll switch up as the days

556
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 2: move on. Final game last night, Zion Williamson triple double

557
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,120
Speaker 2: to lead the Pelicans pass the Clippers one twenty seven,

558
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 2: one twenty Big win for me and my Pelicans in

559
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: the Nut Dust Bowl.

560
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 4: Huge. I think I'm in the clear. Oh yeah, I'm

561
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: pretty good.

562
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: Now that's another good win against the team that maybe

563
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: they wouldn't have expected to beat.

564
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 4: But Zion, awesome in this game. Just awesome.

565
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 2: You a ten points, five boards, five assists in the

566
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Speaker 2: fourth quarter. Now, Shaq wasn't all that impressed. Hope you

567
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 2: guys saw this clip. He wasn't all that happy with

568
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 2: like left Coo and Cannas Parker like giving some props

569
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: to Zion and his triple double last night. Shack said, quote,

570
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Speaker 2: you're giving them props for that? I need more. Yeah,

571
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 2: I need more twenty twenty six or twenty seven. I

572
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: demand from my franchise player. You're paying the max. Don't

573
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 2: be given props for twenty points. Anybody can get twenty

574
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: points now.

575
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Speaker 4: End quote. That last part is probably true.

576
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 1: True, And to Shack's credit, he's always said, you gotta

577
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 1: score thirty two points eight a quarter. That's his number.

578
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, he's brought it down in twenty six

579
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: or twenty seven out.

580
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Speaker 1: But like a photo with Rick Fox, Shack was kind

581
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: of showing his ass last night. Between this the Detroit

582
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 1: Piston stuff. Not great because Zion dominated the fourth quarter,

583
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 1: Like you said, ten points, five and five. He had

584
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 1: two righty dunks in half court. In one of them,

585
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: he splits a double team at the three point line

586
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: and Antonio Daniels Yell's ball game.

587
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wasn't even close to the rib yet.

588
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: He's like, this is gonna be a dunk threw it

589
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: down massively, but I was more impressed. Four defensive rebounds

590
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 1: for Zion in the last two minutes of this game.

591
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: He was locked in. It wasn't just stat padding to

592
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 1: get the rebounds. That's how you finished defensive pass and

593
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: that's absolutely what the Pelicans needed to do. And I

594
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: need a goatee Zion infographic. I don't know if it's

595
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: Once he grew the goatee and started looking like he

596
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: was straight out of the nineties, he turned it on.

597
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 1: But since All Star Game, he's played nine of the

598
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: pelicans eleven games, twenty four points per game, seven rebounds,

599
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: six assists, sixty two percent true shooting. Pelicans are five

600
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: and four. Antonio Daniels said it last night. They can

601
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: beat any team when he's healthy and playing, because that's

602
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: how good of a player he is.

603
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

604
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, nine out of eleven games. If only he missed

605
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 5: two games for each ten or eleven.

606
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: He'd be perfect.

607
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 5: That's all we'd want, because he's great. The defense was

608
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 5: the most important part. I guess Shaq wasn't really caring

609
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 5: about that. He wants stats, baby, but he defensively was

610
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 5: the important part. That's great to see him period.

611
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 2: I love throw him at the elbow and let him cook.

612
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 2: I mean, you get guys cutting hard like Alvarado and

613
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: stuff like that, he'll find them. But then he's so explosive.

614
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: When he's this healthy looking and he does look great,

615
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: it's like one two hard dribbles. He's at the rim,

616
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: like everything's at the rim. We've talked about this before.

617
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: Now this is the infuriating part. We've had this conversation.

618
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 2: I feel like three different seasons now where we have

619
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 2: the moment where like Zion unstoppable, this is special, and

620
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: then you know, we just have to repeat an injury

621
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 2: or two or three or whatever it is, and we're like, oh,

622
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: if only he was out there, because earlier this year,

623
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, it felt like Zion's future in New

624
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: Orleans was a little up in the air. Remember at

625
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: the deadline, because of all the injuries that obviously hit

626
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 2: the team. They were saying there was reports like a

627
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: majority of their roster was available at the trade deadline

628
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 2: and that included Zion, Right, So you know, then you

629
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: see him playing like, no way, there's no way, you

630
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: can't give up on this. You just you gotta hope

631
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 2: Hey stays healthy. And your team stays healthy. So that's

632
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: the dilemma. I guess we want to call it that

633
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,719
Speaker 2: they're at again. But man, it's fun as hell when

634
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: he's cooking. Yeah, he looks on Stobed's shooting like yeah,

635
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 2: like sixty two sixty three percent from the floor, Like

636
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: that's better than Yannis. It's wild.

637
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I wonder, yeah, what David Griffin thinks going

638
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 5: into next season, because this is a very unique contract

639
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 5: where the years, the final three years become guaranteed as

640
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 5: you go on here right now they're not, and so

641
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 5: you literally could move on from him, you literally it's crazy.

642
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: But the release the waving Zion is an option, which

643
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 5: is nuts. But no, I don't think they're going to

644
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 5: cut him.

645
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: But it's hard.

646
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 5: It's hard to look at this roster which looked good

647
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 5: on paper before the season. Here's Jean Murray. Obviously, Trey

648
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 5: Murphy has really grown as a player. He looks damn good.

649
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 5: They could end up with the number one pick to

650
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 5: add to add to this wild team. It would be

651
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 5: really really interesting, And then they have a ton of

652
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 5: options to trade if they're going to go get a

653
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 5: complimentary player. You know, they gave up brandon Ingram for

654
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 5: a first round pick with the Raptors. So they've got,

655
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 5: you know, the even MEC first round pick. There's there's

656
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 5: staff to package together. This is gonna be a interesting

657
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 5: seen for that, very very interesting.

658
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 2: I thought they're a rookie center Carlo Makovich. But pretty well,

659
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: last night.

660
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: He was balling.

661
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: He was getting really good at finding the space around

662
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 2: the rim where someone like Zion attacks and he flips

663
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: the side to the rim.

664
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, he had a good game of fifteen points,

665
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: fifteen points, a couple of blocks, hit a three. Every

666
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: time he makes a play. Joel Myers, Carlo, Yeah.

667
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

668
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: He only calls him Carlo only calls him Carlo. Yeah,

669
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: probably because just like me, I'm a little confused on

670
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: the pronounced I probably butchered. I thought you actually nailed him.

671
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought this is usually but I

672
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: thought it was Matt Kovich, but you said Matt Covich.

673
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: It probably is.

674
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 4: I don't know, I got Carlo. He says Carlo.

675
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: I was in fact, like trying to like hear him

676
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: say his last name so I could maybe try and

677
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: say on the show, but he never.

678
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 4: Would say it.

679
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: It's just Carlo, which I sort of like this, Carlo.

680
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: Any other thoughts on Pell's clips there?

681
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we're done. Okay, I'm just looking up

682
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 5: Zion Willimson's contract when those years become guaranteed.

683
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: He's too good to trade.

684
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 5: It's just such an odd step there.

685
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: Again, he's a friend choice player, but he's a franchise

686
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 2: player that plays. You know, you're hoping at this point

687
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: for half a season. It feels like and you don't

688
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: even get that.

689
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 5: Is he going to get another tattoo this offseason like.

690
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: He did last? He just got one around his belly button.

691
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: I did not see like an anime tattoo around rudo.

692
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: Is that what it? Covido? He's got a Carlos circle

693
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: around his belly tattoo around the belly button. That's you

694
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: must hate that.

695
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: We know you don't like belly buttons, so tattoo around

696
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: it really draws.

697
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 4: Your eye to it.

698
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 5: Please stop talking about it?

699
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: Yeah makes you grows.

700
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, gressing me up.

701
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 5: And like the needle inside the belly button, like to

702
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 5: to fill in that?

703
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: Do they do that? Well?

704
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 4: I don't think it's inside the belly button.

705
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

706
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 4: I think it's just around it.

707
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: But Reggie Miller is the guy that has like a

708
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: belly button tattoo. I think as well.

709
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, that is a strange tattoo to me.

710
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: Just that's a that's like a tramps for a guy,

711
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: a tattoo around your belly.

712
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my opinion on it.

713
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: Never get Maybe that's the incentive.

714
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: Maybe I should get on.

715
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: Maybe David Griffin is like, you need a belly button

716
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: tattoos so that way keep you sort of look at

717
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: it expands like the sun gets bigger than you know.

718
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, get back in the gym.

719
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: Maybe.

720
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: All right, that's last night's games. Only four on uh

721
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: Sunday Monday split between the Nuggets and the Thunder also

722
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: felt like a bit of a draw between Jokic and

723
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: s GA in the battle for MVP. Feels like we're

724
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: on our way hopefully fingers crossed to one of the

725
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 2: tightest MVP races in recent seasons. But whether it turns

726
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 2: out that way, well we'll be decided. Lots of basketball

727
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: still left. But it did get me thinking, what are

728
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 2: the closest MVP races in NBA history?

729
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: So let's hit that top five? Sting to top five?

730
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, trip down memory lane for the top five closest

731
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: MVP races in NBA history. All Right, at number five,

732
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: we go to two thousand and one, two thousand and two,

733
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 2: and we're talking Tim Duncan and Jason Kidd. Duncan led

734
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: the Spurs to the second best record in the NBA.

735
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: They were fifty eight and twenty four. The Kings had

736
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: sixty one wins that year, while Kid led the New

737
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: Jersey Nets, not Brooklyn, to the best record in the East.

738
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: They had a fifty two and thirty record. Duncan won

739
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: the award by fifty seven total votes over Kid, capturing

740
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: the first of his two straight MVPs. Duncan averaged you know,

741
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: a cool twenty six thirteen, two and a half blocks,

742
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 2: played all eighty two games. Remember when your NBA stars

743
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: played all eighty two games. I remember that Duncan did,

744
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: so did Jason Kidd. Now he averaged fifteen points, seven boards,

745
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 2: ten assists. So those counting stats they maybe don't.

746
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: Blow you away.

747
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he basically was getting close to a triple double,

748
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: but the scoring. But big reason why he was in

749
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: the MVP conversation was he basically flipped the Nets record

750
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: after joining them season prior. Nets were twenty six and

751
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: fifty six. So in the two thousand and two thousand

752
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: and one season, Kid joins them, they don't change their coach,

753
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: but still Byron Scott Kids there as the floor general and.

754
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 4: They win fifty two. I mean that's like basically flipping

755
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: the record on Ted, so he was instrumental in that.

756
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: But Duncan, Duncan eat them out there for one of

757
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: our closest races.

758
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, this sounds like very similar to Steve Nash stealing

759
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: one of Shaquille O'Neil's MVP to that one, but it

760
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: went the other way. Yeah, right, because that's the narrative

761
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: case for Jason Kidd, who's become underrated as a player,

762
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: just kind of a forgotten great God was amazing because

763
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: you're right, the counting stats are good, but not incredible.

764
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: I mean, the assist numbers are really good. But he

765
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: was also one of the best defensive guards out there.

766
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: But this was definitely the Asen Kid Era thirty nine

767
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: prom the field thirty two from three. But yeah, Duncan

768
00:33:59,160 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: is the man.

769
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 5: I went through a little Tim Duncan rabbit hole the

770
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 5: other day. Just happened to go down it because I

771
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 5: was thinking about blocks and how Tim Duncan is top

772
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 5: five all time in blocks and he's the first best

773
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 5: or sorry, number one in playoff blocks period all time.

774
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: And he never won a Defensive Player of the Year.

775
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 4: That's weird, that's crazy.

776
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: He was like a fifteen time All Defensive Player or

777
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 2: something insane.

778
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's always in the mix. He never won it.

779
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he didn't just squeak went out.

780
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he got a couple MVPs. All right, next

781
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: one here, number four on our list. We're going to

782
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight, ninety nine. We got a three way race,

783
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 2: Carl Malone, Alonzo Mourning, and Tim Duncan. Duncan's name coming

784
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: up here again. This was a very odd season because

785
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 2: it started late. This was the only fifty game season

786
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: after the lockout and then they got going. So it's

787
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 2: a strange one, right, But Malone beat out Zoe by

788
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 2: fifty four total votes and Duncan by eighty seven. Malone

789
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: had forty four of the one hundred and eighteen first

790
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 2: place vote, Zoe had thirty six, and Tim Duncan had

791
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 2: thirty So all three of those guys getting over thirty

792
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 2: plus first place votes for MVP. The Mailman averaged twenty

793
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: four nine to four over forty nine games. Jazz finished

794
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: thirty seven and thirteen, really good record, and they were

795
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 2: tied with the Spurs for the best record in the NBA.

796
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,240
Speaker 2: I thought, what was interesting about this, This was Zoe's

797
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: best overall season, his best chance at winning MVP at least.

798
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 2: But it wasn't all for not he did get Defensive

799
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: Player of the Year. I think he averaged nearly four

800
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: blocks per game this season. That was Zoe's first of

801
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 2: two Defensive Player of the Year trophies.

802
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 4: In ninety eight ninety nine.

803
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: And Duncan, I mean, this guy was in his second

804
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: NBA season, so he would have to wait until that

805
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 2: one to O two for his first MVP. But like

806
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: in the conversation, just like that, I know he was

807
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 2: a four year player at wake four est, so he

808
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 2: came in ready and obviously as the size and all that, and.

809
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 4: The skilled teams, yeah, and good teams. That's a good point.

810
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: But I have a fun race here.

811
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 2: But Carl got it, not Carlo, Carl, Carl over Zoe

812
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: and Duncan.

813
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 5: And Tim Duncan played in all those fifty games. Again,

814
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 5: although Carl he got close with forty, I missed one. Yeah,

815
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 5: but it was a He had a wild career in

816
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 5: terms of games played.

817
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Carl, but he missed like ten total before

818
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 2: LA those days.

819
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, literally three four I'm counting now, five, six, seven, nine,

820
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 5: ten yeah, ten, Oh wow, ten, if I'm doing the master.

821
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: He missed ten games from his entire stint with the

822
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: Jazz in.

823
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 5: The first eighteen years of his career. That's what the

824
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 5: basketball references.

825
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: Why did miss a game here? Yeah?

826
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 2: Why did he miss that game in the shortened season

827
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 2: of all seasons?

828
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: Suspended? There you go, there you go, there you go.

829
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 4: All right, number three on our list. You already brought

830
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 4: it up TK two.

831
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: Thousand and four, two thousand and five Steve Nash and

832
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: Shaquille O'Neal. This race was a fun one because it

833
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: featured two players who joined a new team in the offseason.

834
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: Nash returned to the Suns, the franchise that originally drafted him.

835
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 2: Shack traded to the Miami Heat, so that's his first

836
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: year there. Nash finished the season averaging fifteen point five

837
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 2: points per game and eleven and a half assists. He

838
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,399
Speaker 2: beat out Shack, who still averaged twenty three to ten

839
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: in Miami by just seven first place votes and thirty

840
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: four total votes. Very very close. Nash led Phoenix to

841
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 2: sixty two wins. Shack led the Heat to the best

842
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 2: record in the East, fifty nine wins. Pretty close. I

843
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: didn't really realize it was that close. I knew the

844
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 2: Suns won a ton, Heat nearly won sixty. Interesting note here,

845
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: maybe played a part in Nash winning it if you

846
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 2: look at the end of the season. Shack didn't play

847
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: in five of the Heat's last eight games, so he

848
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 2: sort of put it on cruise control getting ready for

849
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 2: the playoffs. Well, Nash played. He averaged like twelve to

850
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: ten in the ten games in April where the Suns

851
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: like ripped off a bunch of wins. I think they

852
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: went eight. They won eight of those ten. Helped them

853
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: get over sixty wins. You know, maybe that had some

854
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: impact on it, because again Shack was sort of like, ah,

855
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: I'll worry about the playoffs nashing them. Obviously the seven

856
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: seconds or less, they're like, yeah, still gunning for a

857
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 2: lot of victories, but close one and this was, you know,

858
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: one that we all vividly remember, and it's one that's

859
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: like Shaq is still pissed about to this day.

860
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean he only brings it up every time

861
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: he sees Steve Nash.

862
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 4: Gotta be annoying.

863
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: It's my favorite part that Shack is still he's got it.

864
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: Still stuck in this cras he's just mad.

865
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 5: It is interesting when you go look back at shacks

866
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 5: days pre Miami and how much those numbers are better

867
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 5: than the Miami numbers, just because there was so much

868
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 5: on his shoulders in LA and it was a little different.

869
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 5: He's getting old, but he's still mad.

870
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 4: He's still mad.

871
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: I love it.

872
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 2: Other first place votes went to Iverson he got two, well,

873
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: Duncan scoring yep, Duncan got one, and uh Amari Stodameier

874
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: got a first place vote when obviously his teammate Nash

875
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: goes on to win the thing. I think this helped

876
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: Nash out in winning it too. There was a stretch

877
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: during the Sudden season where Nash missed almost like four games.

878
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: He had he had a thigh bruise, and he had

879
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: his back spasms, which obviously would sort of impact him

880
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 2: his career went on. But the Suns dropped all four

881
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: of those games without Steve Nash, and they averaged like

882
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: eighty six points in those games. Like their offense was

883
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Nash right, Oh yeah, and Amari, who was like shooting

884
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 2: like fifty eight fifty nine percent with Nash, he shot

885
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 2: thirty seven point eight percent during that stretch. Yeah, So

886
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: again it was like it was that that he was

887
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,760
Speaker 2: the engine Steve Nash and obviously helped these other guys

888
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 2: play at elite levels. But yeah, I just thought it

889
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 2: was interesting that Amari did get one first place vote.

890
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a sick team. Oh four five sons, Like,

891
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Steve Nash had a great season, turned the

892
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: team around. But I think this is a largely narrative

893
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: based award, you know, the bump and wins, and also

894
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: a beloved team, like they're up for one of the

895
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: coolest teams of the two thousands, up with like the

896
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: two Kings, the fifteen Warriors, you know, like teams that

897
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: everybody's like, whoa, this is new and it's awesome. Yeah,

898
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: and it kind of helped ousher in a new era

899
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: in the NBA.

900
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: Absolutely number two on our list, we go back to

901
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: Carl ninety six, ninety seven, Karl Malone and Michael Jordan.

902
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: Karl Malone captures the first of his two career MVP awards.

903
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: He beats out Jordan by twenty nine votes, so this

904
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,879
Speaker 2: is the second closest in NBA history. Malone did his thing.

905
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 2: He averaged twenty seven to ten, four and a half assists,

906
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 2: the Jazz went sixty four and eighteen. Meanwhile, Michael Jordan

907
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 2: led the league in scoring under thirty points per game. Gasp,

908
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a bad Michael year. Twenty nine point

909
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: six points, he added six boards, four point three assists,

910
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: one point seven steals, and the Bulls went sixty nine

911
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 2: and thirteen.

912
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 4: So down here it was a down year.

913
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: Like this is the classic. People were just like comparing

914
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 2: Jordan's season and the bull season to the year prior

915
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: when they went seventy two to ten, and Jordan had

916
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: even a better year, you know, scoring wise and all that.

917
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: So they just gave it to Carl. Now, the good

918
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: thing voters got, right is at least it was just

919
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,919
Speaker 2: between these two guys. They were voting for Carl or MJ.

920
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 2: Nobody else got a first place vote. Malone got sixty

921
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 2: three first place votes. MJ got fifty two. But despite

922
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: losing out on the MVP race, MJ and the Bulls

923
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 2: got the last laugh beating beating Carl in the Jazz

924
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: in the final.

925
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 4: So there is that.

926
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: But TK, as a Bulls fan, do you remember were

927
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 2: you pissed off as a young child that Carl stole

928
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: one from MG?

929
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: It was the first time I was angry as a

930
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: thirteen year old. Probably every time Michael Jordan didn't win

931
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: the MVP was a thievery. Carl shouldn't have got one

932
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: when Jordan was in his prime. Charles Barkley shouldn't have

933
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: got one when Jordan went was in his prime. But

934
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: like you said, he got the last laugh both times.

935
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, any thoughts on this, anyad.

936
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 5: I guess voter are just tired of this guy leading

937
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 5: the league in scoring.

938
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 3: It's again, you gotta give it to Carl and.

939
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 2: It really I feels like it was like they were

940
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: just comparing it to the season prior, like, well, they

941
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: didn't win as many games. Yeah, they won sixty nine games.

942
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 2: They still won five more games than the Jazz. That

943
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,399
Speaker 2: part makes me laugh. It's like when you see Carl

944
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: Malone's averages, You're like, that's awesome, Holy crap, how they

945
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: won how many games? Sixty four? That's amazing. That's a

946
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 2: really that's like an elite season. You're flirting with sixty

947
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 2: five wins. So I'm thinking, like, because I couldn't remember,

948
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, maybe the Bulls had like maybe they

949
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 2: only won like, you know, sixty that year. And then

950
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:35,720
Speaker 2: you're like, you see sixty nine and it's.

951
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: Like, what, wait a second, that's tied for the second

952
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: most wins of all time. It's insane.

953
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 4: It's insane.

954
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: So anyway, like you said, you got the last laught

955
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: there in the finals, and it was a close race.

956
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: Final one also also involves excuse me, Michael Jordan, it's

957
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: eighty nine to ninety, but MJ finishing a distant third. Here,

958
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: I guess eighty nine ninety it's Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley

959
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 2: and Michael Jordan, closest race in MVP history. It's also

960
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: a weird one because, despite finishing with eleven more first

961
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: place votes than the eventual winner, Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley

962
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: became the first and only player in history to not

963
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: win the MVP Award, so he finished second despite having

964
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: the most first place votes. That's gotta be strange feeling.

965
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 2: He ended up twenty two total votes behind Magic Johnson,

966
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 2: Jordan finished third in voting. He was seventy two votes back.

967
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: Barkley led the Sixers to one of the best records

968
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: in the East. They were fifty three and twenty nine.

969
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: Pistons and Bulls did have more wins in the East.

970
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: His stats were great, Chuck, you know, twenty five points

971
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: per game, eleven and a half rebounds. But despite this,

972
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: voters believe Magic deserved it another one. I think this

973
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: was his third and final MVP award. He averaged twenty

974
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 2: two and eleven and a half is this per game?

975
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 2: I think he was helped out in the narrative of

976
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: the MVP race with Hey, Kareem Abdul Jabbar's gone, he's retired,

977
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: and Magic is still leading this team to sixty three wins,

978
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: So that played a part.

979
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 4: He had a great team still. I mean, you know,

980
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: you take out career, they were still elite, so that's

981
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 4: why you got it done.

982
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 2: MG averaged a cool thirty three point six points, seven board,

983
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 2: six assists on a fifty five win team. Anyway, a

984
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: weird one where Magic got his third and final MVP

985
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 2: despite Chuck having more first place votes.

986
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 5: Right, this is a fun memory lane though, Just these guys,

987
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 5: these names period going through it and to see that

988
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 5: it was Yeah, that was the end of the elite elite,

989
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 5: elite elite Magic. But he's still good in the following

990
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 5: year as well. Yeah, went to the finals. Just just yeah,

991
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 5: it wasn't wasn't the same magic, just everything he had personally,

992
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 5: but a fun time.

993
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 2: We had four other big guys receiving first place votes too.

994
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 2: Despite those three guys leading the way, Karl Malone, Patrick Ewing,

995
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: David Robinson and a kim Olaija one those seven names, man,

996
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: right there, that's the that's the late eighties early nineties

997
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 2: NBA for you, yep, and way.

998
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: Down at the bottom tied for thirteenth in MVP voting

999
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: Joe Dumars and Isaiah Thomas, who would win back to

1000
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: back Champion and Chips that year.

1001
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, great point, the underrated guy, great, great point. So

1002
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 4: there it is.

1003
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: That was the closest when you're looking at total votes,

1004
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 2: Magic just eking it out over Charles Parkley, despite Parkley

1005
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: having more first place votes. Crazy crazy, So huge shoutout

1006
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: to Gimme Sport for helping take me down this trip

1007
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 2: down memory lane, and of course Basketball Reference compiling all

1008
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 2: the stats.

1009
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: What a website I love that website, the stat head

1010
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: and then you said you can just.

1011
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,479
Speaker 4: Fall down rabbit holes. Yeah it's easy, so so good.

1012
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the pick them for tonight tasks.

1013
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 4: I got lucky last night. Holy crap. I had the pacers.

1014
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 2: I was I was forced to take the pacers. They

1015
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: weren't going to cover. They were down three. If Heliberton misses,

1016
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: you guys win. But he hits it. They of course

1017
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: covered because they win. So another victory for me.

1018
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: Money lined him.

1019
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: Money lined him again.

1020
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 4: I'm on fire. Maybe I can't lose, even when I'm

1021
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: thinking losing.

1022
00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 5: Potential finals. Preview tonight had to go with okay, see

1023
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 5: visiting Boston, Boston favored by three and a half. I

1024
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 5: start to think, okay, so he's got to bounce back

1025
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 5: after that. Nuggets lost. J Williams Jalen Williams definitely out.

1026
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 5: He's out with the tape injury. So that's a part

1027
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 5: of it. That's a part of it. On the Boston side,

1028
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 5: Jason Tatums questionable. He may play knee injury. And this

1029
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 5: is the second time they do play here. Okay, so

1030
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 5: he took care of business in the first one by

1031
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 5: double digits in Oklahoma City, this one going obviously to

1032
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 5: Boston National TV. Yeah, a very very good skeed tonight.

1033
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 5: I would say about all three of you taking Boston,

1034
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 5: excuse me, three of us taking Boston and trade taking. Okay,

1035
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 5: see a lot of three on ones this week. There

1036
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 5: are tons.

1037
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 2: I was torn on this one. I went back and

1038
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: forth in the docks morning. I was like, I don't know, Yeah,

1039
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: it's Tatum playing. I think Jalen Brown's questionable too.

1040
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 5: Probably he's probable, he's got.

1041
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: It's at the point of the season it feels like

1042
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: every guy is questionable or probable or some things. So yeah,

1043
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: but then yeah, no j Dubb. I think they're a

1044
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 2: different team without him. I think he's that important. So

1045
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 2: I guess that's why I'm going Boston. But you're swerving,

1046
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 2: why not?

1047
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: Hey, man, I'll take the points. That's why. That's true, true, true,

1048
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 1: I heard Okay, he has a deep team.

1049
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 4: All right, that's our pick up tonight. That should be

1050
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 4: a great game.

1051
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, good good overall schedule is it?

1052
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1053
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 5: Minnesota Denver the second game of that ESPN double header,

1054
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 5: So we started like.

1055
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: That Sixers Raptors.

1056
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 4: Big game. When you're looking at Tankathon. Who's gonna try

1057
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 4: and punt that one?

1058
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: Dallas, San Antonio. We just saw that.

1059
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 5: Game, Hornets Hawks, the local rivalry of course. Yeah, yep, Dallas, yeah,

1060
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 5: sex ed. Yeah, it was sex year when I first

1061
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 5: when I saw the double header. It's a solid double header.

1062
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a little Denver is good.

1063
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:58,919
Speaker 4: New York Portland, New York needs a win.

1064
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: They do very screat.

1065
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: All right, well, we'll be back here tomorrow to talk

1066
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 4: about them.

1067
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: Might hit the beach. So keep getting your questions in

1068
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: no dunks at the Athletic dot.

1069
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: Com, tweet them in at no Dunk saying leave them

1070
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 4: in the YouTube comments and otherwise we'll see you here

1071
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: at ten am Eastern. Can't wait until that Cliver Rose

1072
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: you heard it here first.

1073
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 1: Have a great time, turn up, Love you guys awesome.

1074
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 5: Thanks for joining us. And remember everyone's got injuries at

1075
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 5: this point of the season. That's what Nikola Jokicic said.

1076
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,720
Speaker 5: Michael Malone said, why don't you sit out this second

1077
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 5: game of the Okac double? Henry said, you said you're injured.

1078
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,439
Speaker 1: Here you here your arm, he said, everybody's everybody's injured.

1079
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 5: Had a great game.

1080
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 4: The brace to day people