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Speaker 1: Happy Monday everyone. The days are running together, as is

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Speaker 1: always the case during the NBA Playoffs, yet another massive blowout.

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Speaker 1: show talking about Golden State Dallas last night, really getting

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Speaker 1: just like many of you did growing up. Obviously kind

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Speaker 1: of comfort that Jalen Brunson and Spencer didn't what he

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Speaker 1: have As pull up jump shooters, they both can and

434
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Speaker 1: when they have it going, they'll hunt that shot and

435
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: they'll knock it down when they have it going. But

436
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: you could tell both of them, for the most part

437
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 1: in this series, Golden State was playing off of them

438
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: and playing the drive and trying to bait them into

439
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: pull up jump shots, and they you could tell they

440
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 1: just didn't want to take them, whereas Luca absolutely does.

441
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 1: And so some of it is like some of it

442
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Speaker 1: is like for instance, it's because this model that Dallas built,

443
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: I think is super interesting and something that more teams

444
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: should try to replicate, which is you can maximize your

445
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: talent on your roster by organizing yourself in a way

446
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: that succeeds in the playoff environment. So for instance, like Dallas,

447
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: like Spencer didn't, Winni and Jalen Brunson or not all stars,

448
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: but you know what they are They're guys that have

449
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: one great skill, which is the ability to create their

450
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: own shot, right they can. They feel comfortable attacking mismatches.

451
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: So if you put them in a system or you

452
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: space the floor of the ton of shooting, which again

453
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,239
Speaker 1: Dallas has shot like absolute crap in this series. But

454
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 1: they shot amazingly well through two rounds and that's been

455
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Speaker 1: the Lion's share of the way this team was constructed.

456
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Speaker 1: Everyone around them can shoot. Even the two guys that

457
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: didn't shoot well, that can't shoot, that we know can't shoot,

458
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: like Frank Nilkina and Josh Green, they're only playing because

459
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: Tim Hardwood juniors hurt. Like those minutes minutes are all

460
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 1: going to Tim Hardaway Jr. In the future, right, So

461
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: like they space the floor and they pick on mismatches.

462
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Speaker 1: That's proven to work. So there, there's there's some good

463
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Speaker 1: stuff there. The differences is like when you go back

464
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Speaker 1: to previous iterations of this team and where it failed,

465
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Speaker 1: it came down to shock creation talent. Last year the

466
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Speaker 1: l A Clippers Paul George was amazing, but it just

467
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: wasn't enough without Kauai for that whole thing to be

468
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: enough to get to the finals, right, go back two

469
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: years before that or three years before that to the

470
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Speaker 1: Rockets in two thousand eighteen. James Harden is not Luca

471
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Speaker 1: don Chech. He doesn't have versatility to the way he attacks.

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Speaker 1: So Golden States solved him. He was forced to just

473
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Speaker 1: basically take step back three towards and that series, and

474
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Speaker 1: I think you went like two for a third pain

475
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: in game seven, so like there was and then Chris

476
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: and then Chris Paul was out right. But there's in theory,

477
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Speaker 1: there's a version of this Dallas construct where you actually

478
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Speaker 1: get two really good shot creators, you know, basically a

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Speaker 1: healthy Chris Paul and a and a Luca type of archetype, right,

480
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: or even just in this arc, this Luca just bringing

481
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Speaker 1: another star of some kind. There's a version of this

482
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Speaker 1: dynamic that can work. I think it's just the three

483
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: the three previous times that we've tried this, it's been

484
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Speaker 1: inferior secondary creators next to Luca. It's been an injury

485
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Speaker 1: to Chris Paul, it's been an injury to Kawhi Leonard

486
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Speaker 1: that ended up derailing it. So as you touch on

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Speaker 1: just the structure and the identities of these teams, it

488
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: feels like a good opportunity to get to another key

489
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: factor in this series, and that is coaching, and specifically

490
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 1: it feels like Steve Kerr has kind of had a

491
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Speaker 1: chance to shine in this series. So just what have

492
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Speaker 1: you thought about how he's performed throughout the series and

493
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Speaker 1: how important has that been to the Warriors being where

494
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Speaker 1: they are right now. So I think Steve Kerr and

495
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Speaker 1: Eric Spoelstra have both clearly demonstrated that they are on

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Speaker 1: a tear by themselves above all the other coaches that

497
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Speaker 1: we've seen in this playoff run. You know, I'm gonna

498
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: focus on Steve Kerr because for unfortunately for Erik Spoelstra,

499
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: he just doesn't have enough talent for it to really matter.

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Speaker 1: But both Spoelstra and Kerr have put on a clinic

501
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Speaker 1: in this playoff run of mixing up coverages. And I

502
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: thought this move from Golden State was a huge part

503
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Speaker 1: of why Dallas never got comfortable. When you see the

504
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: same look every single time, you get accustomed to how

505
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Speaker 1: to attack it. I think this is one of the

506
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Speaker 1: you know, this is is one of those things that

507
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Speaker 1: you'll see sometimes when you're watching Lebron when he's really

508
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: in a flow, he'll work his way down the floor

509
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: every time and just do the exact same thing and

510
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: just start picking you apart because he's just he's trying

511
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: to bait you into one thing or another. He's so

512
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: familiar with your look that he's just one step ahead

513
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: of you all the time. One of the easiest ways

514
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Speaker 1: to counter that is to make it so that you're

515
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: never facing the same look more than a handful of

516
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Speaker 1: times in a row. D Steve Kerr not just mixing

517
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Speaker 1: in zone, but mixing in different kinds of zone. Like

518
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Speaker 1: imagine you're a man, you're going against some man to

519
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 1: man coverage and Luca breaks you down, gets into lane,

520
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: makes a tough floater, comes down. The next time they

521
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: help out of the corner, he kicks to Max clib

522
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: makes the three scored two times in a row. You

523
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 1: got and then you come down and it's a two

524
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: three zone and you're like, okay, well what do we get? Okay,

525
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: everyone get to your right spots. Okay, at the time

526
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,359
Speaker 1: we've identified it's a two three zone and got to

527
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: our spacing, it's already twelve seconds on the shot clock.

528
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: Now we're throwing two or three swing passes and jacking

529
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: up a three right, Like, it's just it. It changes

530
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: the way you have to attack on a possession by

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Speaker 1: possession basis. And then it's like, okay, we go against

532
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: the zone twice. We got a two decent three point.

533
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: Looks Luca is doing it by screening the top man

534
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: of the zone and getting to the elbow and making kickouts.

535
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: Oh wait, now it's a box in one. So even

536
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 1: if you screen the guy that's guarding Luca, the other

537
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: guy in the zones right there. So it's like, what

538
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: do you do? Like the the the the way that

539
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr consistently mixed up coverages in this series to

540
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: constantly keep Dallas off balance. That is all also part

541
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: of how a team. That's how guys are not confident

542
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: when they're pulling up for shots. That's how guys get

543
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: out of a rhythm and flow. That's how you get

544
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: players to play beneath their personal ceiling is by keeping

545
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: them off balance and keeping them uncomfortable. And I think

546
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Speaker 1: you know again, it's you. It's are to factor in

547
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: in a lot of cases because there aren't enough coaches

548
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: like this that are this good. But I think I

549
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: think Eric Spoilstra and Steve Kerr both of them have

550
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: just been putting on clinics in terms of defensive scheming

551
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: and keeping teams off balance. But with Steve Kerr in

552
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: this case, I think he took a series that I

553
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: thought was a coin flip. And again, there's a lot

554
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: of elements to this, but one of the big elements

555
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: with Steve Kerr and him doing that as a huge

556
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: part of why the series is gonna be over fast?

557
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: Do you think Kerr might be the most underappreciated coach ever? Dare?

558
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: I say that's super interesting because the amount of talent.

559
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: I mean, look when you when we look at all

560
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: these coaches to NBA history, it's easy to underappreciate them

561
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: when we factor in the talent, right, like Greg Popovich,

562
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: It's like, oh yeah, Tim duncan Tony Parker manage nobly

563
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: at Kawhi Leonard, You had David Robinson, all this kind

564
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: of stuff, Right, you got to Steve Kerr and all

565
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: the talent he's played with. We go to Phil Jackson

566
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Speaker 1: and all the talent he's coached, all the talent that

567
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: pat Riley is co and it's easy to get dissuaded

568
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: by the talent. But you know, for me, personally, I

569
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: feel like he's underappreciated. But a huge part of that

570
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: is I follow a lot of Warriors fans, and Warriors

571
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: fans complain about Steve Kerr NonStop. Now, the people that

572
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: I trust that cover the Warriors, the people that really

573
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: cover them from an unbiased perspective, will tell you that

574
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr has evolved a lot. So there was some

575
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: stubbornness in the past that he's gone past that he's

576
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: gotten past, particularly with line up structure and being more

577
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: willing to embrace offensive creation over defensive talent. You know,

578
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr. Their rotations have been the biggest thing that

579
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: that UH that Golden State Warriors fans have complained about

580
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: with Kurr over the years, but he has gotten better

581
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: and most importantly, like we the it's an interesting mix

582
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: of a really smart basketball coach and guys that are

583
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: willing to buy in because, like you know, we're looking

584
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: at a Lakers head coaching situation here where they're choosing

585
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: between Terry Stotts and Darvin Ham and UH and Kenny Atkinson.

586
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: And like I like Kenny Atkinson a lot in terms

587
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: of like his offensive organization and his ability to to

588
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: coach a team on offense. But like, I just think

589
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: Lebron and a D are gonna roll their eyes at

590
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: that guy. So like for a guy like for guys

591
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: like Lebron and na D, I think they need someone

592
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: like Darvin Hamm who's more of like a former player

593
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: recently in the league, tough guy, so at least they

594
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: can convince him to play hard on defense. Right, But like,

595
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: what helps so much is you've got Steve Kerr or

596
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: excuse me, Steve Stephan Curry, who's arguably the most coachable

597
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: star that we have in this league. Draymond Green, very coachable.

598
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: They're all so bought in, and they have such a

599
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: respect for cur that it gives him an opportunity to

600
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: actually weaponize what he's good at, which is the excess

601
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: and knows. And there are so many teams around the

602
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: league that don't even have that opportunity because it egos,

603
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: you know, Like I I like, literally, Lebron tuned out

604
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: Frank Vogel and he's the championship winning coach. Lebron tuned

605
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: out David Blatt, and he obviously David Black came up.

606
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff with David Blatt, but Lebron

607
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: tuned him out too, and it's just one of those

608
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: things where, like I think it's an interesting mix of

609
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: super coachable superstar and really smart coach and the their

610
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: ability to lean on each other and the way that

611
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: that can lead to success. Yeah, I think that from

612
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: my perspective, Kurr does feel underappreciate, and you make a

613
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: good point about the coach ability with Steph. I do

614
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: wonder though further down. Obviously step so important to establishing

615
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: a culture, but how would Draymond respond to a coach

616
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: that he thinks is kind of a dunce. Yeah, I

617
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: don't know that he would be as fully committed and trusting,

618
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: and you know, there might be some issues that I

619
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: can imagine that, but I think Kerr really does blend

620
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: that schematic intelligence on both ends. Right. You talked about

621
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: the defensive ingenuity in this series, but I think broadly,

622
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, people would point to just the sort of

623
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: motion offense the Warriors of often run and emphasizing off

624
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: ball movement and empowering Steph, putting him off ball more

625
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: instead of having him be like the volume, pick and

626
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: roll guy that he was with Mark Jackson. He's just

627
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: done so many things in terms of basketball schematics, he

628
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: has I think been a really impressive leader of men

629
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: and communicator, and there really isn't a flaw on his resume.

630
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean, they had a down year when everybody on

631
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: the team was hurt. Other than that, they've won at

632
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 1: the highest level. Last year they were still a playoff

633
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: caliber team obviously was such a decimated roster. So he

634
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: doesn't have the decades of winning that you know, like

635
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: most top five coaches of all time or what have

636
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: you do. But his winning in the time that he

637
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: has been there and everything he's done has been so

638
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: immensely impressive. And I just feel like people are so

639
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: quick to say, oh, well, the dynasty was inevitable, the

640
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: talent was so overwhelming, but you know, they took a

641
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 1: jump from a fifty one win team to a sixty

642
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: seven win team and then a seventy three win team,

643
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: and they did all that without obviously adding Kevin Durant.

644
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: I think Steve Kerr is a huge part of that.

645
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: So I think my answer to the question that I

646
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: posed might very well be yes. I think ker is

647
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: a brilliant, brilliant coach, and sometimes people are a bit

648
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: quick to forget that. The managing of personalities is something

649
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: people constantly gloss over, like when you look at you know,

650
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: having to bench David Lee. It was very successful offensive

651
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: forward to bring in a guy like Draymond Green. Empowering

652
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: Draymond Green to be what he is, which is a

653
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: volatile basketball player, but understanding that that volatility is a

654
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: part of what makes him great, and understanding that if

655
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,919
Speaker 1: you take that away from him, you take away part

656
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: of his greatness. The whole k D saga and all

657
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: the drama there and the blow up with Draymond, the

658
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: navigating of the egos with andre I Guadala and and helping,

659
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, partnering with him to come off the bench

660
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 1: to empower Harrison Barnes and you know, working with the

661
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: ascent of Jordan's pool and navigating that with a backcourt

662
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: that's loaded, and easing him into a bench role in

663
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: a playoff run. But because your star is willing to

664
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: do something like it's it's never as easy as it looks,

665
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: and the personalities are always so much more complicated than

666
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: you think. You know, I I played on a team

667
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: when I was at Arizona Christian University that was unbelievably

668
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: stacked with talent. Beat a Division one school, but it

669
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: was an n A school. But we beat a Division

670
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: one school. While I was there, we started thirteen and oh,

671
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: we were top five in the nation. We were one

672
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: of the best teams in all of an ai A

673
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: basketball And like, we had eleven dudes that all deserved

674
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: to play, and in the Golden State has that same issue.

675
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: Juantas Kono Anderson is a rotation level NBA player, Damian

676
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: Lee is a rotation level NBA player. These are all

677
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: guys that deserve to play. Garry Payton Jr. When he

678
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: comes back into this mix, these are all very good

679
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: basketball players that deserve to play, and he's navigating that

680
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: get has them all bought in it. It's always so

681
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: much more complicated than people think. That team that I referenced,

682
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, we we didn't have any major catastrophes, but

683
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: there was It was a weird culture throughout the whole

684
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: year because I guess what, the guys in that eleven

685
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: that didn't get to play, they had issues, you know,

686
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: they had issues with the whole dynamic, date, issues with

687
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: the coaching staff, and it's just it's so much more

688
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: complicated than people think. And and when you see when

689
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: from the outside it looks smooth, that's that's the indicator

690
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: that they're handling things well in house. Whereas you look

691
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: at you look at some of these other teams like

692
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: the Lakers, and you're having you know, Russell Westbrook go

693
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: into the press conference talking about how he deserves to start,

694
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: he deserves to close games like it's it's it's interesting

695
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: to see the juxtaposition there. Absolutely, let's pivot here to

696
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: the MAVs because it does feel like they're sort of

697
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: entering how do we improve going forward mode? Obviously Shirley

698
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: still committed to the series, but like they're kinda knocking

699
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: on Deaktor at this point. And Luca came out and

700
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: had a quote after Game three just talking about how

701
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: he says something along the lines of, I'm twenty three,

702
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: I'm still learning. You know, there's a lot of stuff

703
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: that I'm still figuring out and needs get better at.

704
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: So as remarkable as he has been throughout a majority

705
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: of this postseason run, where does he need to go

706
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: from here? So subplot of this series was one of

707
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 1: the big reasons why I thought Dallas would win. You know,

708
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: in my again, it was his coin flip. The one

709
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I leaned slightly towards Dallas was

710
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: I thought Dallas was a better player than Stuff based

711
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: on what had happened during this regular season Steph massive

712
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: shooting decline in terms of his percentages, and you know

713
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: Luca's dominant playoff run up to this point, Steph was

714
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: way better than him through three games. I don't I

715
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: don't give a damn about the forty point nights. Watch

716
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: the tape, just unbelievably horrific on defense, like horrific. He

717
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: is the lead cause of their defensive issues right now. Now,

718
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: step is Steph some all defense player now, but he

719
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: is a very good defensive player who competes like crazy,

720
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: who sets the tone for the rest of his team.

721
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: And there wasn't nearly enough of a chasm offensively between

722
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: those two guys in order to justify any like I

723
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: don't think there's any case for Luca being the best

724
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: player in this series. Steph dusted him. Steph resoundingly demonstrated

725
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: that he is very much better than Luca right now,

726
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: and so so where does Luca need to go from here?

727
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: Like a couple of things, when we've been. We've been

728
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: down this stroad before. He has to find a way too,

729
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 1: at the very least, not be a liability defensively. His

730
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: foot speed will never be great, He'll never be a

731
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: dominant defensive player. But what he makes up what he

732
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: lacks in foot speed he does have in size and strength. Right, So,

733
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: in theory, if he got into his peak physical condition,

734
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: there's a version of Luca that can be a very

735
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: good positional defender, meaning he can guard bigger wings that

736
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: play with power, he can make the average defensive rotations,

737
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 1: he can help as a back line defender at the rim.

738
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: There's no reason why he can do those things. Is

739
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: he gonna be able to contain quick guards, No, that's

740
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: never gonna happen. But Steff's also never gonna be able

741
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: to guard big wings. Like that's the bottom line is

742
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: is like there there's a certain limitation that that those

743
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: guys have. But Steff is the example of reaching his

744
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: own personal ceiling defensively, and Luca is an example of

745
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: a guy who hasn't even attempted to do that yet

746
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: on the offensive end. You know, do I think Luca

747
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: could stand to polish some things up. Yeah, but I

748
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: mean those are He's already arguably the best offensive engine

749
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: in the NBA right now. So I I I think

750
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,760
Speaker 1: that the number one thing that Luca has to figure

751
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: out is figuring out how to be a more of

752
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: an impact player on the defensive end of the floor.

753
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: He just simply has to. And then the just the

754
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: the other benefits that come from physical conditioning and and

755
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: fighting off a fatigue in a playoff series, and you know,

756
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: he he I thought that quote was really interesting. It

757
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: was it wasn't excuses, but it kind of felt like

758
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: back off, guys, I'm twenty two, like the that's the

759
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: vibe I got from that quote, and and I get that.

760
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: But you know what I like to have heard is

761
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: I like, I'm gonna go into this season and get

762
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: in the best shape of my life and I plan

763
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 1: on competing on the defensive end of the level I didn't,

764
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'd love to hear that. If that makes sense.

765
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: That's interesting. I also do think you could kind of

766
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: go either way with it in the sense that I mean,

767
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: he is four years deep into his experience in the

768
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: league right like, theoretically he's not all that close to

769
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: his peak, and in this time, you know, he's carried

770
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 1: the team to three playoff appearances. Out of the years

771
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: that he's been in the playoffs, he's been number two,

772
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: number one, and number one in points per game. And

773
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: we know what he does as a playmaker too, So

774
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm with you, he has no excuse for not getting

775
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: into peak condition Like that is so glaringly the thing

776
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: in terms of basketball skill as a score or playmaker offensively,

777
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: what do you really point to, right? I mean, he's

778
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: added the post game that was kind of missing earlier.

779
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: The step back is so refined, like his intermediate game

780
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: overall is improved. It's like he's done so much much.

781
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: There's no excuse. But he is also twenty three, and

782
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure that there is still stuff that he's learning.

783
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: But you're right, when there's a glaring thing you can

784
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: point to and say, well, Luca, you can learn, how

785
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: do you know, maybe put down the doughnuts a little bit,

786
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: you know, maybe hit the condition a little bit harder.

787
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: Then that's also beer. Yeah, I mean, you know, maybe,

788
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,439
Speaker 1: as we talked about, you don't need to go out

789
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: for the pregame beers as much. I don't know. Yeah,

790
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: there's there's there's did you know, there's a beer that's

791
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: brooding the Rocky Mountain stream. It's a little bit lighter.

792
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: I think he might be worth trying. I'm curious. I'm curious, Carson.

793
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: Do you did you think that Steph was the best

794
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: player in this series? Yes, I'm with you, But let

795
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: me ask you this. I agree with you. In the

796
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: vacuum that is this series, are you now like convinced

797
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 1: that Steph is the better basketball player overall? If he wasn't,

798
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: Luca would have played better. Like, I mean, I'm with you,

799
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm with you on everything. He's twenty two, he's not

800
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: even in his prime yet. Yeah, all that's true. What

801
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: that just means that steps better right now? You know

802
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, do I want Steph or Luca

803
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: for the next five years? Yeah, of course I want Luca.

804
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: But my point is is, like, right now, which is

805
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: all that matters? Because the trophy is four five wins

806
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: away for Golden State, you know, like the right now,

807
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: in this current predicament, Steph is clearly better. I I

808
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: actually think like, and again we're gonna talk to snow

809
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: Globe later. The snow Globe, I just mean all the

810
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 1: top players in the league being shook up. I think

811
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: Steph has I think I don't think Steph is even

812
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: remotely capable of the impact that jan has had in

813
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: that Boston series. I've never seen anything like that, Like

814
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: a team literally sending three guys at him every possession

815
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: and he's averaged thirty four Like that was insane. So

816
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: I think Janice is the best player in the league

817
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: on a tier by himself. But I think Steph has

818
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 1: a pretty clear case right now to be number two.

819
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,479
Speaker 1: And and that is wild considering where he was during

820
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: the regular season. But tell me one player Carson that

821
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: you think has made a better case to be the

822
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: second best player in the world right now. Nicole here

823
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 1: would be my honest pick, because here's the thing. I

824
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: completely agree the level step has been at in this

825
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: series where his shot making has been blazing. I mean,

826
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 1: he's been forty eight percent from deep right. It's been

827
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: like vintage Steph in that respect. But I just don't

828
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: know that the totality of his production this year is

829
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: quite there. So I don't know that I would say

830
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: I think he's a better basketball player than Luca right now, because,

831
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: as we talked about, I mean, Luca's control of the game,

832
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: his direct imposition of his will as a score and playmaker,

833
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: his volume there, it's just so overwhelming. And there have

834
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: been times with step this year where it's just he

835
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: simply doesn't dominate the game offensively and will always have

836
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: the gravity impact and whatnot, but there was a drop

837
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: in production in that respect. So I don't know if

838
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: I want to totally flip my position on that based

839
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: on the fact that in his head to head matchup,

840
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 1: yes at the highest stakes and yes, and actual playoff

841
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: basketball where it matters most and it tells you the

842
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: most about a guy, also only a few games sample,

843
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'm ready to flip on that.

844
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: I think Steph does have a case for second best player.

845
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: I think last year he made that abundantly clear, and

846
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that we had enough evidence this year

847
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,880
Speaker 1: to say like, oh, he can't be that player again.

848
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: But he wasn't that player for a lot of this year.

849
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: So I don't know if I'm as decisive as you

850
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 1: are in that respect, And I honestly might still be

851
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: Team Luca. The defense is brutal. There are stretches where

852
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: he's more engaged and it's like, Okay, it's sort of

853
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: passable and when he's doing that, But I just think

854
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,479
Speaker 1: that the effort hasn't been consistent enough and there's probably

855
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: an element of fatigue with the offensive load there. But

856
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: I think Steff does certainly make a case. I'm I'm

857
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: with you there, but I don't think it's as clear

858
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: in my opinion. So you mentioned the small sample size thing.

859
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge part of this. Like Steph

860
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: understands the stakes. He understands that, Hey, like if I

861
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: have a if I have a fourteen point lead in

862
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: the middle of the third quarter on the road in

863
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: Game two of a playoff series, I can't afford to

864
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: mail it in on defense because I might blow it

865
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: and now I'm down two oh in the series. That's

866
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: what happened to Luca. Luca. I shared all the tape.

867
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: You guys can see. It's on my Twitter feed. Yeah,

868
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: like literally, Luca was a traffic cone in that second

869
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: half against the Warriors in Game two and blew their

870
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: one opportunity to win one of these three games. It's

871
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: just so my thing is, like, I so to be

872
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: clear when I value this stuff. I think you. I

873
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: think you, Carson, And I'm not saying you're wrong. It's

874
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: just different between the way you and I look at this.

875
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: You you place more value value in that regular season engine,

876
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: and there there's a good case for that seeding is important.

877
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: This playoff run has been a great demonstration of the

878
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: importance of seatings. Just ask Milwaukee, you know, but the

879
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: reality is is like the uh when it when it

880
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 1: comes down to it, it's usually a handful of aimes

881
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: that determines these outcomes. And having that that, I think

882
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: that is one of Steph's legs up is experience understanding

883
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: the stakes and being at his very best when he

884
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 1: needs to be at his very best. But I agree,

885
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: I agree to disagree with Carson. I'm cool with that. Yeah.

886
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: I think also I might have a bit more of

887
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: an offensive slant in terms of evaluating guys, and you know,

888
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: like you said, prioritizing that singular offensive engine and letting

889
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: some of the defensive possible roots for exploitation pass a

890
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: little bit more, which you know, maybe I shouldn't. I

891
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: don't know. I'll sit down this office. I can't really

892
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: think about some stuff. Okay, we've got a donation here.

893
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: Shout out Jeremiah. He's got a question in the chat

894
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: Jason is Andrew Wiggins going to Harrison Barnes the finals.

895
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: He says, no disrespect intended, but Warrior fans feel a

896
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: certain way about Barnes going cold in sixteen. What do

897
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: you think? So it certainly possible the you know, but

898
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: Austin is I'm leaning Golden State right now in a

899
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: potential Golden State Boston matchup. I'll save my pick until

900
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: we actually get to the point where both of the

901
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: conference final serieses are over. But I do think we're

902
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: more We're extremely likely to get that matchup, which is

903
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: I think a super interesting matchup between two of the

904
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 1: biggest franchises in the NBA. We shouldn't be I mean,

905
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: we're we're static about that around here, so I'm very

906
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: stoked for it. But I think defense that Boston's defense

907
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,720
Speaker 1: is gonna put Golden State in some interesting nds um

908
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: I would imagine because Luca Luca was guarding Wiggins, and

909
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: it was clearly a strategy with Golden State from the

910
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: start of this series to have Andrew be super aggressive

911
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: whenever he saw an opportunity to attack Luca. Boston just

912
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: doesn't provide you that type of matchup flexibility, So I

913
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: think some of the aggression will be taken away, which

914
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: means will turn Andrew into a guy that's almost strictly

915
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,720
Speaker 1: attacking closeouts and spotting up. And I mean the Harrison

916
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: Barnes thing, Like, I get it. He he wasn't making

917
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: his open shots, and that could be problematic, but I

918
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: mean they were all good looks and and some sometimes

919
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: they just don't go in. I mean talk about small

920
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: sample size, like that's how it goes. Like in a

921
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: small sample size, like sometimes you get five wide open

922
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: corner threason, maybe you only make one of them, you know,

923
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: And that's just how it goes. But as long as

924
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins brings what he brings on the defensive end

925
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: of the floor, as long as he picks up Tatum

926
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: full court and bothers him as much as humanly possible,

927
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: then you know, honestly, I think that his impact and

928
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: in that role is pretty dependable, you know what I mean.

929
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: And Golden State, you know, the other interesting the other

930
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: interesting thing to Carson is this Golden State team is

931
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: less reliant on three point shooting then the two thousand

932
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: and sixteen Warriors. This is a Golden State team that

933
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: weaponizes the threat of their three point shooting to get

934
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: into the paint. And I think I think Andrew Wiggins,

935
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: like you demonstrated with his vicious dunk on Luca last night,

936
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: like you don't if you're not making your threes, just

937
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: a further attack the close out, you know, like keep

938
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: There's there's nothing wrong with catching when you're wide open

939
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 1: and just barreling into the lane and kicking out to

940
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: the next shooters. So I think there's I think they

941
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 1: have a little bit. I think Golden State in general

942
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: just says a little bit more of an understanding of

943
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: how to use guys that go cold from the perimeter.

944
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: But I mean Andrew Wiggins could also just be dead

945
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: eye knocking down wide open shots. So is he gonna

946
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: be Harris and Barnes? I don't know, my guests, Is

947
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: he'll be more impactful? Yeah? I do think you make

948
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: a very astute point about the specific matchup, because it

949
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: does feel like a lot of the swing element with

950
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: Wiggins is okay, Well, is he just going to be

951
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: knocking down open looks, attack and closeouts? Is he going

952
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: to be more assertive and like taking some of the

953
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: tough midrange pull up stuff that you don't love from him,

954
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: or is he going to be assertive and actually attacking

955
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: mismatches and weaponizing his size and athleticism and all that,

956
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: And those are kind of the different versions you get. Regardless,

957
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: his floor, you know, because of his defensive impact, I

958
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: think is just higher than what Barnes was at that time,

959
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: and certainly higher than I think we expected from Andrew

960
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: Wiggins before he got to Golden State. But there is

961
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: always that swing element with him because his mindset changes

962
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: as much as anything. It feels like. But I will say,

963
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean Harrison Barnes was as bad in that series

964
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: as like any significant player has been in a series

965
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: that I can remember my life. Nine in a game,

966
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: thirty five percent from the field, every big spot, just clanging.

967
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: So if Wiggins does that, I don't think his NBA

968
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: legacy will ever be redeemed like that unfortunately, will stick

969
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: with him forever, I think Andrew. I think Andrews also

970
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 1: like a lot more athletic than Harrison Barnes was. Harrison

971
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: Barnes was a great vertical athlete that had great link,

972
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: but Harrison Barnes did not have that twitchy like quick

973
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: first step, dynamic explosiveness that that Andrew Wiggins has, which

974
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: I think makes him more impactful attacking closeouts and things

975
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: along those lines. But yeah, I mean, it's an interesting question.

976
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: That's a super interesting series and I can't wait to

977
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: take a deep dive into it once we get to

978
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: that point. All right, Well, before we do that, let's

979
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: do one last question here about the MAVs. Because we

980
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 1: talked about what Luca can do individually. When it comes

981
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: to the broader scope of their team building. Do you

982
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 1: think Dallas needs another star? Jason Absolutely. And it's gonna

983
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: be the issue here with the Brunson thing, is I

984
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: think you have to resign him because of the asset

985
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: like Jalen Is would be valuable to somebody else in

986
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: a way. I mean, and he was great. I thought

987
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: he was pretty damn good in this playoff run. But

988
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: to me, it's a question of talent. And when you

989
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: look at Lebron and Anthony Davis coming back with the

990
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: Lakers next year, Kauai and Paul George coming back with

991
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: the Clippers next year, Nicola Yokich with Jamal Murray and

992
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: Michael Porter Jr. Coming back with the Nuggets next year,

993
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: and you really piece all of this together, not to

994
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: mention the Eastern Conference, Like, you have to think the

995
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: Sixers are gonna be a lot more organized next year,

996
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: just with a full training camp to really implement their system.

997
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: You have to think that the Milwaukee Bucks understand now

998
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: that they don't have enough talent, They're gonna make a move.

999
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: The top of the league is just going to continue

1000
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: to get I mean, Luca is gonna get better as

1001
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: a basketball player, you know, like Janice could get better

1002
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: as a basketball player. Like the teams you're gonna have

1003
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: to go through to get to this point, the league

1004
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,240
Speaker 1: is so stacked. I think at this point, wheeling Luca

1005
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: out there to be the solo star is is akin

1006
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: to basketball playoffs suicide. Like you're just you're you're you know,

1007
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: you don't have the firepower, you know. And again like

1008
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: I see, I see the big debate taking place right

1009
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: now between Warriors fans and and all these people on

1010
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: Twitter about like does Luca have enough help? Does Luca

1011
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: have enough help? Look, Steph outplayed Luca, to be clear,

1012
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: but also Luca was on the less talented team. The

1013
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: reason why I thought that they might win is I

1014
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: thought Dallas's system, which I think is very smartly put together.

1015
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: We just talked about that earlier, in conjunction with Luca

1016
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: being better than Stuff would be enough to swing it.

1017
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. It turns out that all those

1018
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: guys that shot really well suddenly didn't shoot well, which

1019
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: we talked about, and Luca was proven to be not

1020
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: as good at basketball as Stuff was. Right, So at

1021
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: a certain point, firepower did become an issue in this series.

1022
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: So if your Dallas, you have to understand that and

1023
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: recognize that, you know, probably the most realistic outcome there

1024
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 1: as you resigned Jalen Brunson, you find some way to

1025
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: accumulate as many draft picks as possible, and you'd find

1026
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: a way to flip Bronson and picks or Bronson din

1027
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,720
Speaker 1: what he picks, or you know, some combination of assets

1028
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: to a disgruntled star and bring someone in and then

1029
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: basically continue the same system. Because the system for Dallas

1030
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: is perfect. They just need one more big forward that

1031
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: can consistently create his own shot in space before it's

1032
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: really that simple. Al Right, guys, that is all I

1033
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: have for you tonight. I sincerely appreciate your support. As always.

1034
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