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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of Cutting the Distance. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Bow Nickel. He's well known name in

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Speaker 1: the realms of wrestling, mixed martial arts, and more and

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Speaker 1: more into hunting as time goes on. He's renowned for

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Speaker 1: his exceptional prowess on the wrestling mat. He's carved the

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Speaker 1: legacy as one of the most decorated collegiate wrestlers in

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Speaker 1: recent history, posting three NCAA National Championships numerous accolades during

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Speaker 1: his tenure at Penn State University. But recently he's been

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Speaker 1: transitioning from what would be considered a prestigious wrestling career

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Speaker 1: and he's transitioning into that fast paced world of MMA.

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Speaker 1: Nichol's journey continues as he seeks to make his mark

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Speaker 1: in the octagon. He's drawn upon his as an athleticism,

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Speaker 1: strategic mindset, and competitive spirit in this new arena beyond

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Speaker 1: the confinance of the wrestling and MMA. He's also passionate.

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Speaker 1: It's a new passion for the outdoors and he's kind

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Speaker 1: of propelled in the world of hunting, which we've seen

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Speaker 1: other UFC stars do and and kind of it seems

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Speaker 1: like there's a pretty good parallel between those where he's using,

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Speaker 1: you know, applying his dedication, focus and skill to pursue

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Speaker 1: well game. So welcome to the show, bo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, appreciate you having me on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, A little background on me and wrestling. So

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Speaker 1: I was a basketball guy, right, and so we we

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Speaker 1: were always different, but my kid it was offered at

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Speaker 1: different seasons, so my kid was able to start wrestling

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Speaker 1: as like a first grader. So I was I was

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Speaker 1: a guy like I coach all my other kids sports,

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Speaker 1: whether it's football, basketball, baseball, and it was the first

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Speaker 1: like and then you realize what the coach is like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I can yell get on your toes, like

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Speaker 1: when you're getting ready to be you know, like I

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Speaker 1: was that guy, like that's my level of wrestling I've become.

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Speaker 1: But I've always been a student of the game. And

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Speaker 1: so it's actually, you know, three or four years ago,

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Speaker 1: you know, watching YouTube, like oh there's a guy named

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Speaker 1: Bo Nickel and and you know these guys at Penn

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Speaker 1: State that are dominant and learned about Sanderson cause always

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Speaker 1: wanted to just know more, you know. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and then we're getting taught all these moves and practice

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Speaker 1: for my kids are and then you watch you guys wrestling.

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Speaker 1: You guys do use moves, but it's it's almost like

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Speaker 1: it turns into a different sport. Like you can't get

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Speaker 1: And so that's I'm I'm exposing myself to my understanding

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Speaker 1: of wrestling. But uh, I was a basketball player.

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Speaker 2: To gotcha. Yeah, it's a great sport, you know. I

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Speaker 2: Uh I feel like so my my granddad was a

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Speaker 2: right away. But uh yeah, I played all sports growing up.

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Speaker 2: So my mom played college basketball and stuff, and I

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Speaker 2: that's cool that you're, uh, your son's into it. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's different, you know, because everything I did

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Speaker 1: you know, And I think in today's world, we don't

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Speaker 1: word grit. It's like teaching you to grind it out

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like, you know, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: And I'm a basketball guy. Like you watch basketball players

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. You know, I think when you

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Speaker 2: You know, you just kind of have that bond with people,

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. I was gonna ask you. I seen you

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Speaker 2: No, you know, the only the one that I wanted

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Speaker 2: There's so many things. I mean they do obviously everybody

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know we've seen you were there other

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Speaker 1: things going on the new edition of your son around Christmas, Ace,

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Speaker 1: like how are you getting any sleep yet? Or is

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Speaker 2: So very grateful that they're they're in good health. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. So we're gonna jump more into

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Speaker 1: first question comes from Nate dan Zy, how has the

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I mean obviously, I'm I'm fairly new

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Speaker 2: difference I would say is, you know, when you're hunting,

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00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 2: you're just you're out in the wilderness and you're in

430
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 2: nature and it's so peaceful. It has this weird blend

431
00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,160
Speaker 2: of like, you know, violence kind of in a way

432
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 2: because you're you're sending an arrow through through an animal,

433
00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 2: through their vitals and you know they're going to die.

434
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,439
Speaker 2: But you're also just like a lot of times in

435
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: this very quiet, serene, majestic scenario, you know, beautiful country

436
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,120
Speaker 2: a lot of times, and then you know, in a fight,

437
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 2: it's so there's so many people packed in there and

438
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 2: it's such a more of a chaotic environment that But

439
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 2: but as far as like the actual action of it happening,

440
00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: it's super similar. You almost turn everything off. And like

441
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:28,439
Speaker 2: I noticed when I knock a guy out when if

442
00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,439
Speaker 2: you if you punch, like sometimes you'll punch somebody and

443
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,239
Speaker 2: you'll feel the connection on your hand, but a lot

444
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 2: of times, if you land a really good shot, you

445
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 2: don't feel.

446
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:34,960
Speaker 1: It at all.

447
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: It's like it's like there's nothing there. And I think

448
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 2: it's very similar to like when you loose an arrow

449
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: and it's just a perfect shot, it's almost like you

450
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: don't even really you just it just releases and it's

451
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,760
Speaker 2: not like it's not tense at all. Yeah, So I think, Yeah,

452
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,880
Speaker 2: it's super similar. It's a good feeling for sure.

453
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. And next question Adam Breakfield, And I don't know

454
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 1: if this is a question about his kid, like to

455
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 1: get a mind as a young wrestler that you need

456
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 1: to focus on competing and not necessarily the outcomes to

457
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: get you like through that through that stage of maybe

458
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: not winning all the time.

459
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I think that that's something

460
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 2: that I actually struggled with a lot, because when when

461
00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 2: you have success as a young athlete, then maybe a

462
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 2: lot sometimes you feel more pressure to have more success,

463
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,359
Speaker 2: and you know, you start focusing on the wrong things,

464
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 2: or maybe there's just outside pressures. You know. Of course,

465
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 2: everybody wants to win. That's natural and that's normal. That's

466
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: not a bad thing. But I think that I always

467
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: go back to, like why I'm doing what I'm doing,

468
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: And for me, winning isn't why I do what I do.

469
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 2: I didn't wrestle just so I could win, you know.

470
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: I if I my main priority in life was just winning,

471
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 2: then I would do something really easy that I would

472
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: win every time and I would never lose, you know.

473
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: And so I enjoy wrestling and I enjoy a fighting

474
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: because I like to challenge myself. I like the strategy.

475
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: I like to you know, I like the blend of

476
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 2: physical physicality and mental preparation and you know, having to

477
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 2: you know, make decisions in uh scenario, high pressure scenario quickly.

478
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 2: So that's that's what I I like. That's why I

479
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: like wrestling, And so I think it's important for people

480
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 2: to ask themselves why why am I doing what I'm doing?

481
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 2: And I also think it's okay to change directions, like

482
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 2: if you if you're doing something and maybe you realize

483
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 2: why you're doing it is it's not very fulfilling. It's

484
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: not the right reasons, Like you should find something that

485
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: you really love and enjoy the process and and you know,

486
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: I know that's not easy, but that's kind of I

487
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 2: think what you have to do to really get good results.

488
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you can get good results for a certain

489
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: amount of time doing something that you you don't love,

490
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: but it's not fulfilling. And I don't think that's really

491
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: gonna last.

492
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, great point, my buddy Jesse, Uh, I'm gonna get

493
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: his name wrong. Boost and that she used to be

494
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: used to like whole the big garbages around here. You

495
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: want to know what it was like meeting Trump and

496
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: how that situation went.

497
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 2: So that was crazy. So the story goes after my

498
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 2: last fight, Trump was actually cage side, so he was

499
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: there watching it and I kind of like went up

500
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 2: to a match with a fight and just said hello

501
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 2: and stuff. And then basically the next week he invited

502
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: me out to Bedminster to his golf club to play

503
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 2: around of golf with him. And I'm not a big golfer,

504
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 2: but I'm like, this is a great opportunity, so I

505
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: definitely would love to. But it ended up being really awesome.

506
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 2: We just hung out and I rode in the cart

507
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 2: with him and we played eighteen holes. And he's just

508
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: a super down to earth cool guy for being, you know,

509
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 2: President of the United States and one of the most

510
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 2: famous people on the face of the planet. He was

511
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 2: super down to earth. We talked about obviously, golf, we

512
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,119
Speaker 2: talked about fighting, we talked about football, and it was

513
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: just kind of like just hanging out like a couple

514
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 2: of bros. I really and that's huge. How I judge

515
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: people is I'm not ever going to judge people based

516
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: on when anybody else says about him. I'm going to

517
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 2: judge them based on my own interactions with them, and

518
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 2: you know, people can say whatever they want, but I've

519
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 2: had a good amount of experience and hung out with

520
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 2: the guy for hours and hours, and he's super cool,

521
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 2: super like I said, down to earth and just one

522
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: of the nicest guys I've ever met.

523
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: That's awesome. How many did you beat him or did

524
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: he beat you?

525
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: Oh? He's good, man, I'm not. He was shooting, so

526
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: this is pretty crazy. So he was playing with Lawrence

527
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: Taylor and there was a couple of other guys in.

528
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 2: They were betting on each hole and so the last hole,

529
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 2: it was like coming down to the wire and Trump

530
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 2: hit like one hundred and fifty yards shot like perfect

531
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: two feet from the pin to like win the round.

532
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: And it was like he's really good. So yeah, it

533
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: was it was. It was crazy. It was just fun

534
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:51,479
Speaker 2: for me just to watch.

535
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: That's that's cool. My buddy Matt Schmidt, who's a wrestling

536
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: coach and then like wrestl wrestling coach for the prep

537
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: and this must be one of his own kids. Do

538
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: you have any advice for a high school wrestler that

539
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: always plays it too safe and conservative and he's hesitant

540
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: to like throw when he needs to.

541
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that that kind of goes

542
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: back to one of the previous questions. It's you know,

543
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: if you're if you're focused on the results and you're

544
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: focused on the outcome, then a lot of times, you know, it's, uh,

545
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: you're going to be tense and you're not going to

546
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: really compete freely. You're not going to compete the way

547
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: you want to compete. And so I think that first off,

548
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 2: you know, you got to realize why you're doing it. Yeah,

549
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: winning winning and losing is you know, nobody wants to lose.

550
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: Everybody likes to win, like that's not unusual. And something

551
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: that actually my coach, that coach Kele said the other

552
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: day that I really liked was he said, it's okay

553
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 2: to be nervous. It's just not okay to be nervous

554
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: about being nervous. You know, nerves are normal and everybody

555
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: gets nervous before a match. So you know, just don't

556
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 2: feel weird about that. Don't feel like, you know, oh

557
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: my gosh, like what am I'm nervous? I'm not gonna

558
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: what am I gonna do?

559
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: Now?

560
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 2: It's just like, all right, I'm nervous, Okay, that's good.

561
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 2: That just means I care. And I think that the

562
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 2: other thing is that's really important is develop a system.

563
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: So always have like I have in my mind when

564
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: I got to wrestle, all I would think was circle

565
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: post the head, pull them around, get to my shot.

566
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: Circle post the head, pull them around, get to my shot.

567
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 2: And so it's very simple and any anytime in the match,

568
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: that's just what I would be, I would repeat in

569
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: my head. And so you never really get caught up

570
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: and lost in what to do, and you're not worried

571
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: about what the score is or how much time left.

572
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 2: You're just circle post the head, pull them around, get

573
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 2: to the leg like shot. And so I think those

574
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: two things are really important. So yeah, try to try

575
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: to you know, it's okay to be nervous, but just

576
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: understand that that's normal. And also just build a system

577
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 2: so you don't have to try to figure out what

578
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: you're going to do in the match. Already know and

579
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 2: you already have a plan.

580
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: Gotcha. So Hunter Schmidz, which is his kid, got to

581
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: watch him wrestle a little bit this year. His kids

582
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: are outstanding wrestlers. What's your favorite wrestling move? And this

583
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 1: is where maybe maybe you do have a move or

584
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: you just talked about technique, you know, circle pushed ahead,

585
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: you know. But now I don't know if you consider

586
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: moves like a single move or but I'll let you

587
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: answer that how you think. Like I say, I'm not

588
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: the wrestling guy.

589
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: Now, I think you know you're you're on track. A

590
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 2: lot of people think of individual moves, you know, but

591
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 2: really once it was kind of like what I said earlier.

592
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: Once you kind of master fundamentals and you can do

593
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: whatever you want to do. So for me, it was

594
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: always fun to just be creative and score in creative ways.

595
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: And the way I was able to do that was

596
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: master fundamentals. But if I already have to pick a

597
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: move that I really liked, it was always cradles. So

598
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: you know, I had long arms and I was pretty quick,

599
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: so I was able to get to a lot of cradles.

600
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 2: And for me, the ultimate best part about wrestling was

601
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: pinning somebody. You know, I think that that was just

602
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: my style and what I gravitated most towards from a

603
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,719
Speaker 2: young age. So you know, cradles were a way that

604
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: like that was always kind of one of my best

605
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 2: best areas, best moves in I was able to pin

606
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: guys in them.

607
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: So that was fun. Yeah, and that's it seems like

608
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: you watch and this is just like once again me

609
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: on the outside not You watch kids like start with moves,

610
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: like you know, the tough kids are head and arm in.

611
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: You're early, and then you go through this and then

612
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: it's like as things go on, you're slowly like losing

613
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: the ability to throw these moves because other wrestlers and

614
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: we've even watched it a little bit where the dominant

615
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: kids can still create ale and stuff, but you're almost

616
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: to the point like if you're not super dominant, which

617
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know, it's like some of these

618
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: kids have to just go back to the fundamentals, like

619
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, single leg, double legs, you know, and run

620
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: run the normal program. And it's kind of funny you

621
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: teach all these moves early, but I think you know,

622
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: just as an outsider, as a coach, just coaches other

623
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: things like and then watching you guys wrestle at a

624
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: very high level, like it all come come full circle

625
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: back to fundamentals.

626
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 2: It seems like, yeah, absolutely, you know, it definitely cycles.

627
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: I think at first, you know, when you're young, you're

628
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 2: kind of just flopping around and you know what I mean, Yeah,

629
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 2: maybe even more important just to learn like how to

630
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: control your own body relative, not even like control another person.

631
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 2: But I think once you get to a certain level

632
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: from there, then it's, uh, you know, you don't see

633
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 2: those moves work as much because kids are a little better.

634
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: They know how to defend them. And that that's when,

635
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 2: like I said, you know, you're you always have to

636
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: continue to master fundamentals and and get better and improve

637
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: on them. You know, I was able to pull off

638
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 2: a lot of what people would call like junior high

639
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: moves or crazy moves in college, and but that was

640
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: because my fundamentals allowed me to execute in those positions,

641
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: you know, not necessarily you know, just going for a

642
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: crazy moves out of nowhere. It would be something that

643
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: my opponents had to put themselves out of position because

644
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: I was in position. So then now these these quote

645
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 2: unquote crazy moves are more available to me. And I

646
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: think that that's what people don't realize. And also I

647
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: think it helped that I just wasn't scared, you know,

648
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid. It doesn't matter if it's first match

649
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: of the year or the NCAA Finals, like I'm going

650
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 2: to wrestle the same, So you know that that's something

651
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: that I think added to that. But uh yeah, it

652
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: definitely goes in cycles. And the fundamentals are something that

653
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: can never be you can never feel like, you know,

654
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: you don't need to work on them. It's always gonna

655
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: it's always gonna help you.

656
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha. Next question, last question from the listeners, which

657
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: is actually my co host on this he hosts every

658
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: other show, Dirck Durham. What's your diet look like, you know,

659
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: for for training and hunting. If it's different or the

660
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: same all the time.

661
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, when I'm when I'm training and

662
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: getting ready, I pretty much I keep it very simple.

663
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: I do obviously a lot of a lot of meat,

664
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 2: a lot of game, elk, venison, do bison, different stuff

665
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 2: like that. You know. All I'll eat beef and stuff

666
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: and eat salmon and you know, so a lot of meat, fish,

667
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: and then I keep it pretty simple with everything else. Potatoes,

668
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 2: maybe some rice here and there I'll do. I have

669
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: a nice farm near me so that I get raw

670
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: dairy and raw cheese, so get some raw milk in

671
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: there and then you know, but I keep it very simple.

672
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 2: I don't do a lot of I don't really do

673
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: any processed foods. I make sure that I stay hydrated

674
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: and get good electrolytes and stuff. And yeah, so and

675
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 2: then hunting it's a little different because with when I'm

676
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: training and getting ready for flight, I have like two basically,

677
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: I usually do two two ish hour training sessions a

678
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: day and then the other time I'm able to like

679
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: focus on my nutrition. But when I'm hunting, it's like

680
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: you might be out for ten hours, like you might

681
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: just be in the morning getting it. So, you know,

682
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: I kind of adjust that. Usually I'm eating a little

683
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 2: bit less and I'll lose a little bit of weight and stuff.

684
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: But I try to, of course, like bring snacks and

685
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, but I keep it pretty simple still, you know,

686
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 2: fruits and again like you know, maybe uh, maybe bring

687
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: some jerky stuff like that. So but I don't really

688
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: do a lot of a lot of processed stuff. And

689
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: if I'm eating carbs, it's potatoes or fruit. So yeah,

690
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm very simple with that.

691
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: Gotcha, No on that topic, I'm gonna add my own

692
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: question to that since I don't have it later on,

693
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: So cutting like you gotta hit you gotta hit a weight,

694
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: like what's your what's your normal weight you walk around

695
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: and how much weight you typically have to lose and

696
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: have you started like cutting now for you know, a

697
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: month out? Like how does that process work? Like your

698
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: normal weight you're fighting weight, and then what it takes

699
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 1: to get there.

700
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: So the way it works for me now, I'm about

701
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: two o seven two o eight and I have to

702
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: make one to eighty six, so we're like a little

703
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 2: over twenty pounds. And the way I do it is

704
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: it's a water load, so I don't have to do

705
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: a lot until about ten days ten days out and

706
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 2: once we get to that point, I'll start to hypersaturate

707
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: with you know, a couple of gallons of water in

708
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: a day. And uh then obviously when I work out,

709
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 2: it kind of flushes my system and I'm able to

710
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: sweat out a ton and so then I just basically

711
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: slowly bring it in so it'll be like two gallons

712
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: one point seventy five one point five, and I'll just

713
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: bring it in to a lower lower amount until till

714
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: weigh and day and that that gets me down. And

715
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: I have a nutrition coach and he does my strength

716
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 2: conditioning as well. So he helps me with everything and

717
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: he calculates it all out so I don't have to

718
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 2: guess and try to figure it out for myself. But

719
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: uh yeah, I mean for me, that's really new. I

720
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: never cut a lot of weight as a kid or

721
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: high school or even college. Like when I was in

722
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 2: college my senior year, I wrestled one ninety seven and

723
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: pretty much every practice I would end underweight. I weighed

724
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: about two hundred pounds. I would end practice that, you

725
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: know one. And so I feel like where people focus

726
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: on cutting weight, it's more important to just focus on

727
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 2: skills and also just having fun like that. That could

728
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: easily be the worst part about wrestling, you know, cutting

729
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: weight and stuff. Yeah, you're you might be at a

730
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: competitive disadvantage younger if you're not cutting weight, but in

731
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: the long term, you're going to end up better off

732
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: because you're gonna have to learn, you know, more skills

733
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 2: and also it's going to be more fun for you,

734
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: so you're going to enjoy it.

735
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember the you know, the Thankfully, the high

736
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: school organizations or the interscholastic have like put some rules

737
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: on cutting right where you got an initial way in

738
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: so you don't have the kids running up and down

739
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: the highway in black garbage shacks and spitting in cups

740
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 1: all day anymore because they can't they can't weigh in

741
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: below that initial weight. But some of them are still

742
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: doing it for that initial way and they still you know,

743
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: get down so that they can, you know, but then

744
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: they have to continue to cut. But it. Yeah, sometimes

745
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: I wonder like how healthy that is. But if you're

746
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: doing it, just buy water loads and not just like crazy.

747
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure there's some calorie deficit, but I

748
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: just I would hate for people, you know, especially young

749
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: kids careful how I say this, like if you're not

750
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: elite or doing it for like a real reason, you know,

751
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 1: like UFC or collegiate you know, championships, Like yeah, maybe

752
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: you guys should just wrestle at your own weight and

753
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: played a little safer.

754
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that it can. Like I said,

755
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: it makes the sport. It's already a tough sport, and

756
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: it makes it really tough and not fun when you're

757
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: at a deficit. And so you know, I always recommend that,

758
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: you know, just especially as a young kid. Doesn't matter

759
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: how good you are when you're in the sixth grade

760
00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: or even when you're in junior or senior in high school.

761
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 2: You know, just wrestle what you weigh, let your body grow,

762
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: be healthy, be happy, enjoy of the sport. And like

763
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: I said, you know, for me, I understand if people

764
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: in college want to cut weight. You know, it's competitive.

765
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: There's only ten spots on the team. You know, you

766
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: want to make the team. You want to be you know,

767
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: college All American national champ. So you're also a little

768
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: older and more mature. You can handle a little better.

769
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: So at that point it's like, you know, you got

770
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: to do what you do. And now for me, I'm

771
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm like a full grown adult, and I also know,

772
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: like I'm disciplined and I have a I know how

773
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 2: to do it in the best way possible, and I'm

774
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 2: not going to straight from the plan, So I'm able

775
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 2: to I like I said, you know, it's not fun

776
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 2: and it's not enjoyable, but I'm able to do it

777
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: in a way where it's not really hurting me.

778
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, good, So okay, Well, thanks for answering all

779
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: those listener questions. Once again, if you have questions for

780
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: me or my guests, feel free to email them to

781
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: us at ct D app phelps, game calls, or hit

782
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: us up on any of the social platforms. We'll do

783
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: our best to get on there. Now we're gonna kind

784
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: of jump into our discussion a few questions. You know,

785
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: a lot of it's been hammered over. But my first

786
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,840
Speaker 1: question is how long would it take for you to

787
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: knock me out or pin there? With my experience, I

788
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: want to know your honest answer, it'd be saxon, you know.

789
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 2: My So, so I get in these discussions a lot.

790
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: And uh, the last person that brought this up was

791
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 2: one of my managers, and so he wrestled in high

792
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: school and so he thought like I think he was

793
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: maybe even like a state place or something like that,

794
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: and he was like, I think I could last thirty

795
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: seconds or whatever. And I was like how much? How

796
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: much do you want to bet? Like, yeah, let's go

797
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: any amount and he was like then he got a

798
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: little less confident, and I was like, dude, I'll literally

799
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 2: put any amount of money on it. And he lasted

800
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: about four seconds, so it was pretty pretty.

801
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: He's a state placer. I'll give myself like a few

802
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: my only yeah, I don't have any advantage like me

803
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: thinking I'm six four and two fifty. It doesn't. It

804
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: just doesn't matter right for people that don't understand the

805
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: sport or wrestle at the level you do. There's just

806
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: levels to this, and like.

807
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: It might matter, you know, if like I was like tiny,

808
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: you know, if I was like one hundred, if you

809
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: were one hundred pounds heavier than me or something like that,

810
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: then at that point, you know, it could matter. But uh,

811
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 2: that's the thing, Like I'm big enough to where it

812
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. You could be big and it's all good.

813
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 1: And then I don't even want to ask this question then,

814
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: because you're probably gonna second beat you at that. I'm like,

815
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: how long would I or no, would I be able

816
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: to beat in a basketball court? But your mom was

817
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: like a collegiate player. I'm like, you probably beat me

818
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: in that too. I'm not even ask that question anymore.

819
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 1: My mom and I used to play quite a bit.

820
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not even to strike that one from

821
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: the car and we're not asking you. So so I'm

822
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna jump into you know what kind of inspired you

823
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: like what you know, You're you're cranking along, you know,

824
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: wrestling one of the best wrestlers in the world. You know,

825
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: and then your MMA career starts to take off. Like

826
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: what inspired you to Like where did this hunting idea

827
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: come from? Like did you see something that was it?

828
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan talking about it, Like what made you want

829
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: to go do this?

830
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 2: So I actually grew up around it, So I lived.

831
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 2: I was born in Colorado and I lived until I

832
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: was about twelve in Wyoming, And so hunting was something

833
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: that my my grandpa, I did my dad did. I remember,

834
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 2: you know, there'd be mornings where they get up and

835
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:07,439
Speaker 2: you know, they they'd be out go hunt some mule

836
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: deer or go hunt birds or whatever it was, you know,

837
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 2: early and so that was always something that was normal

838
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 2: to me. Like for Thanksgiving we'd get a turkey. It

839
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't be like a turkey from the store. It would

840
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: be like my my granddad or my dad would go

841
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: shoot a turkey. And you know, so that was something

842
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 2: that was really regular for me. And I just never

843
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 2: did it young because I was always wrestling and the

844
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 2: seasons overlapped and I didn't have a lot of time.

845
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: But uh so it was always something that I kind

846
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: of was around. And then when I graduated from college,

847
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 2: like you know, you're used to being a student athlete,

848
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: and so you have hours and hours of classes along

849
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 2: with practice. And now I'm graduating and I'm just practicing.

850
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I got a lot of free time,

851
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: Like what am I going to be interested in? What

852
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: do I want to do? And so I saw, you know, again,

853
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: I have a lot of family members that hunt and stuff,

854
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: and I was like, huh, maybe maybe I could do

855
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 2: like a like bow hunting, maybe I could do some archery.

856
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: And so I thought about it for a while and then, uh,

857
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 2: you know, just the more I researched it and the

858
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: more I looked into it, I think that the fact

859
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 2: that just just so many things aligned as far as

860
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: you know, one wanting to eat healthy and and have

861
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: be able to provide meat for myself and for my family,

862
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: I thought that was, you know, such a cool thing,

863
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 2: and I wanted to make sure, like, you know, you

864
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: can get get meat at the store, but it's it's

865
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: not the same quality as as a as a real,

866
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: you know, wild animal. And so that was a big

867
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: factor in a big influence. And then just the way

868
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: that everything that we've talked about kind of how hunting

869
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: aligns with what I do in my in my career

870
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 2: and uh, the the passion and the pursued and you know,

871
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: setting goals and the discipline that it takes to be

872
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 2: successful and and all those things just really they just

873
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 2: like kind of spoke to me. And so I'm fortunate

874
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 2: that now I live an area in central Pennsylvania where

875
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 2: there's there's pretty good opportunity to be able to travel

876
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: you know, short short while and have you know land

877
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,320
Speaker 2: that we can hunt on and stuff. And also, uh,

878
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, I still have a family back home in

879
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 2: Colorado and in Wyoming, and so I'm able to go

880
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: back there and visit as well. So I have you know,

881
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: pretty good access to to place second hunt.

882
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah that's awesome. So is you know you is you

883
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: becoming a celebrity, you know, very well known. Have you

884
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: gotten like any negative flak or any pushback on being

885
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: a hunter? Like and how have you dealt with that

886
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 1: or justified it? Yeah?

887
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 2: It was funny. So the first the first time I

888
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: like posted posted anything about it, I had a ton

889
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 2: of people just like they almost seem shocked. They were like,

890
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 2: what like, oh my god, Like what are you doing?

891
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: Like that's so messed up? This and that? And uh,

892
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 2: at first I would kind of respond to people and

893
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: comment and I'm like, well, are you vegetarian or do

894
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: you eat meat like you eat McDonald's. Do you know

895
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: where that that kind from? And you know, you know

896
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: how many animals die for you to be able to

897
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: eat that, like you know, and so I'm like, this

898
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 2: is just and and so there was a little bit

899
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: of negative response, but I feel like the MMA community,

900
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: the wrestling community, the hunting community are all pretty similar mindset,

901
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: so you know, if anything, it was, it was more

902
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: positive and more people that kind of said wow, like

903
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: I didn't know you hunt, Like I'm even bigger fan now,

904
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: or no, I didn't know you hunt. That's so cool.

905
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: I'm a fan now. So I would say, you know, yeah,

906
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: there was a little negativity, but even I would say

907
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: way more, way more positive.

908
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, good good. Yeah. We I mean we we don't

909
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: know different because our industry really is the hunting industry, right,

910
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: Like I came up, That's how I became where I am,

911
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: And so you don't have you don't get as many naysayers.

912
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: But you you know, Chris Pratt, you know, we were

913
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 1: all stoked, you know, as a group of hunters, like yeah,

914
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: the guy and then he retracts a little bit right

915
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: and takes pictures down, and it's like, ah, you know,

916
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: we we'd love to have, but I understand like he

917
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: makes a living and if he doesn't want and jeopardize that,

918
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: and so it's easy for me to say, like, you know,

919
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: fight and I was just curious if you'd had any

920
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: of that I do, you know, like Mendes is big

921
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: in the honey, you know, it's like more of these

922
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, m m A wrestling, you know, crossover celebrities,

923
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's good. It helps kind of

924
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: show that there's a reason and and the big movement

925
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: for like natural food and meat and like knowing where

926
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: your food comes from is a is another you know,

927
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: good point that we can all make as we you know,

928
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: it seems like, you know, every day we're losing more

929
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: and more of that, right or the ability you know,

930
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: you saying you're from Colorado, Like the fight that we're

931
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: we're taking on in Colorado right now is nuts. Like

932
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're labeling at trophy hunting and they

933
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: use all these words basically you know that they can

934
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: they can describe it in a way where trophy hunting

935
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: it's like, that's not what it is. You're twisting words

936
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: or it's unfortunate, and you know, it's like every day

937
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: we kind of battle to continue on with the lifestyle

938
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: that that my family we've a meat off of, you know,

939
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 1: natural go get it yourself meet for as long as

940
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: anybody can remember, Like, who has the right to tell

941
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: us that we can't do that anymore, you know, through

942
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: through ballot measures or whatever it may be.

943
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the stuff going on in Colorado to

944
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 2: me is insane. It's so wrong. And I feel like

945
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: the I mean, I think there's a lot of ways

946
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: to combat it, and and the best way is to

947
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: maybe just continue to stand strong and provide that like

948
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 2: positive message and example of what hunting is and like

949
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 2: you said, you know, that's what's provided for your family

950
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: for however long. And I think a lot of people,

951
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: you know, are kind of tricked. They use marketing to

952
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 2: trick them into thinking, you know, that that's not what

953
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: it is and stuff. But I feel like just having rationable, irrational,

954
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: reasonable conversations, Like anybody that I've talked to in person

955
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: that I've had a conversation with that it's been like why

956
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: do you do that isn't that Like, well, listen, I

957
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 2: can explain to you, like, you know, how much more

958
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 2: ethical it is too for for myself to eat this,

959
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: and and how much less waste there is, and you

960
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 2: know what's like these animals, Okay, their options are you know,

961
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: they either provide food and meat for my family, or

962
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: they're going to die of starvation or or get eaten

963
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: by a mountain lion. Like these are kind of the options.

964
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: And at the same time, like we're put putting money

965
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: back into conservation and making sure that these they're they're

966
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: the healthiest populations that they can be and stuff, and

967
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: you know, we're we're part of this this ecosystem and

968
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: this food chain. Like that's the way that the world's

969
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: worked since the beginning. And you know, anytime you can

970
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: have a conversation with people like that, I feel like

971
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 2: most people, the vast, vast majority, kind of understand it

972
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 2: a little bit better. You know. I think that when

973
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: you maybe try to, you know, fight it, fight it

974
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: within a more negative way, when you know they're coming

975
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: at you negatively so you're fundingly it doesn't really help.

976
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: When you can just explain it, then I feel like

977
00:46:58,719 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 2: that's where I've seen the most help.

978
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know last week I was able to

979
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: kill that mature mountain liin. And it seems like predators

980
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: for some reason, predators bring out more if it's a bear,

981
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: if it's a cougar, more so than deer and elk.

982
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: And it was nice, you know, ninety nine percent was positive.

983
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: But we did have a few people like if that

984
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: wasn't attacking you or your lives, talk to your kids,

985
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 1: like shame on you, right, and then you can go

986
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: with the guy. But I just did a little research, like, oh,

987
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 1: the guy fishes and eats fish. I'm like, it's the same.

988
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: I look at the cougar is the same as the fish, Like,

989
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: it's not an egotistical thing. It's like to balance nature. There,

990
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: it's a mature tom, another tom's going to take its place.

991
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: These toms are going to kill each other if they're

992
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,399
Speaker 1: in the same area as trying to like and it's

993
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: great table fair. Like my job is to educate like

994
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: people like, oh, you just killed the cat, took its hide,

995
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: and let like no, I've got fifty five pounds of

996
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: cougar meat in my freezer now, and it's amazing. Yeah,

997
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: some people are like I even my my family's killed

998
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 1: a lot of deer and elk it's not a lot

999
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: of cougar. And they're like, you're gonna eat that. I'm like, yeah,

1000
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: everybody says it's may and it is. It's just it's

1001
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: like a lean pork and it's like these things are

1002
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: well and so you, like you said, you go out

1003
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: it positive. I could have told the guy like, you know,

1004
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: go fly a kite. You're you're killing innocent fish that

1005
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 1: aren't attacking your family, but that didn't do me any good. Like,

1006
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: hey know, we processed it, we packed the whole thing out.

1007
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: We were going to eat it as a family, and

1008
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: everybody was like you know you And then the guy

1009
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: responded like, oh that that makes more sense, and like, well,

1010
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: at least I hope it's from an area that can

1011
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: sustain your heart. I'm like, yeah, trust me that I

1012
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: have a shortage of big cats.

1013
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing too. Like I just feel like, one,

1014
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: like there needs to be more just reasonable conversations and

1015
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: more education because I think one people don't realize most

1016
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: of the time, people don't realize that this is like

1017
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: what we're eating to sustain us, you know, whether it

1018
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 2: is a you know, an elk or a deer or

1019
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: a predator or a bear or a cougar. It's like

1020
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 2: people don't really realize that. So I think they need

1021
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 2: to be educated on that. And also people don't understand

1022
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 2: that the way that conservation works and hunting and how

1023
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: they align it's like for the benefit of every of Yeah,

1024
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: like I don't. It's it's wild to me that people think,

1025
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 2: like you're gonna hunt these animals so they go extinct.

1026
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 2: It's like, first off, there's a ton of them, yeah, everywhere,

1027
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: and they're they're they're actually you know, they need to

1028
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 2: be hunted and they need to be managed. Yeah. And secondly,

1029
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: you know, if if their population, if there's too much,

1030
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: that's that's a huge negative consequence in itself, right, like

1031
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 2: you know, you look and deer like the chronic wasting

1032
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 2: disease and stuff like that, that's that's terrible, Like you

1033
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: don't want that type of stuff to happen, or just

1034
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: you know, getting hit by cars like Pennsylvania is one

1035
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: of the worst things for that just because of the

1036
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: of the way it goes. But yeah, I mean the

1037
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: education piece I think can't be uh can't be overstated, Like.

1038
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: You said, the conservation side of it is, Yeah, we

1039
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: ultimately want a lot of deer and elk on the ground,

1040
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: but I want like the maximum carry capacity and if

1041
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 1: by like the North American Malla, wildlife like predators need

1042
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,640
Speaker 1: to be managed as well to increase that. And so

1043
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: it's like, if you truly care about the deer in

1044
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: the elk and the like, the best way to like

1045
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: have the most of these if you you know, if

1046
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: you're a naysayer these free cute, little cuddly critters on

1047
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 1: the ground them is to let us feel, you know,

1048
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: kill a few cats and not not shun that. And

1049
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: so I've always said it like us as hunters care

1050
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: the most about having the most game on the land

1051
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: anyways and treating them. So it's like, yeah, but but

1052
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: I I agree back to your point, like going it

1053
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: some of these naysayers with a positive mentality instead of

1054
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:28,240
Speaker 1: being negative and kind of going at their throat at times,

1055
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: is it pencils out better for us and is a

1056
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: better look overall for sure?

1057
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, absolutely, So.

1058
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: This is kind of a repeat question. But like that

1059
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 1: mental the mental preparation, you know, we we talk everybody

1060
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,879
Speaker 1: looks at wrestlers and it's like, Oh, they're physical, they're

1061
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 1: in great shape, they're strong, they're they're skilled. How does

1062
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: like the mental preparation for wrestling and m M a

1063
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: kind of compare to hunting? You know, that ability to

1064
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: never give up and that mental strength that that a

1065
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: wrestler is going to have or somebody at your level

1066
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: is going to have. For sure.

1067
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think there's there's so many different

1068
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 2: answers to that and so many different things that apply.

1069
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: I would say that for me right now, at this

1070
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 2: stage in my career, something that's been really important for

1071
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: me that we have touched on already is to focus

1072
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: on the process, not focus on the results. And so

1073
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: I feel like doing that has given me basically the

1074
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: best chance of success because I don't get discouraged, I

1075
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 2: don't get down, and you know what, I like to

1076
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 2: have every single tag that I ever owned to fill

1077
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: it and have one hundred percent success, And yeah, of

1078
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 2: course I got and you know that's that's definitely the goal.

1079
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 2: But for me, it's more about improving getting better as

1080
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: a hunter. And I know the more time I put

1081
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: in and the more opportunities that I give myself and

1082
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: the more times I put myself in a good position,

1083
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: the more success that I'll have and the more goals

1084
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: that I'll reach. And it's not a it's not a sprint, right,

1085
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: Like it's a marathon. Like I'm gonna be able to

1086
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: hunt for a long long time. And it's kind of

1087
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: similar to my MMA career, where you know, I'm not

1088
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 2: in a rush. Yeah, my goals are to be UFC

1089
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: champion and the pou pound number one fighter in the world,

1090
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 2: but I know that it takes a lot of work

1091
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 2: and time and effort to get to that point and

1092
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 2: and and the way that I'll get there the fastest

1093
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: is just by every single day improving, getting a little

1094
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: bit better, putting time into my craft. And so I

1095
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: think that with hunting, you know, I don't any time

1096
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 2: I go to hunt, Yeah, like I would like to

1097
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,799
Speaker 2: kill the biggest animal possible, and I want to you know,

1098
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 2: be able to make a good shot and stuff. But

1099
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: that's just by the way I'm going to do that

1100
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: is by putting one foot in front of the other

1101
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: and being disciplined and again having good fundamentals and keeping

1102
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 2: a cool head and just you know, worrying about the

1103
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 2: next step, not wearing out. You know what that amount's

1104
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 2: going to look like up on my wall.

1105
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned some early in that about like

1106
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: enjoying the process not the outcome. We get to talk

1107
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: to thousands of hunt you knows, we're trade shows or

1108
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 1: we're doing a seminar here or there, and you always

1109
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: get you know, it's kind of the the cliche story

1110
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: is like, man, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna learn

1111
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: how to call because I'm gonna draw this tag in

1112
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: nine or ten years, you know. And we me and Derk,

1113
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: my marketing manager, a lot of these things were like

1114
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: take a step back, like when you want to when

1115
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: you do draw this tag, when you want to have

1116
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: a few cows under your belt and maybe a few

1117
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: rag horns under your belt, and like don't don't avoid

1118
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: the opportunity and look at this like prize at the end,

1119
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,439
Speaker 1: Like for me, I want to I want to fill

1120
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: my freezer, and there's so much more opportunity out there,

1121
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a little I'm kind of kind

1122
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: of pulling at this, but like, don't don't feel like

1123
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: you need to kill the biggest six point bowl on

1124
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 1: the mountain or the big like go out there and

1125
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: learn your craft, like own your craft, because if you're

1126
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: waiting ten years to draw a tag number one, you're

1127
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: not going to be very good when you finally do

1128
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: have the premium tag in your pocket or the chance,

1129
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably blow it because you didn't put in

1130
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: the work for the last ten years when you should

1131
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: have been out there chasing cows or spikes or raghorns

1132
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: or whatever you had the opportunity to. And that's I

1133
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: think social media doesn't do any new hunters favors because

1134
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: they see the likes of and I've been doing this

1135
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: my entire life, right, Like it's unfair for you to

1136
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: look and say you know this guy or not saying

1137
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: me even all these other guys that hunt, and that's

1138
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: all we do, like killing it. It's like it taking

1139
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: It's taken a lot of time to get to the

1140
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,760
Speaker 1: point where I'm comfortable and passing a lot of smaller

1141
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: bulls because trust me, if I showed you the first

1142
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: ten years of I was successful early on, but a

1143
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,720
Speaker 1: bunch of little teeny raghorns, like teeny little bulls, and

1144
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: and I cut my teeth on those and that's what

1145
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: made me, you know, be to the level where I

1146
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: am now where I don't mind letting those go now

1147
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: because I know you know, and and so yeah, I think,

1148
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: like you said, you're getting better every day you're in

1149
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: the Jim. I think, hunters, we only have so much

1150
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: time in September, so it's even more magnified, right, you

1151
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: only get so many Septembers, like you need to be

1152
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: out hunting, learning hunting your craft so that you get

1153
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: better on a very shortened scale.

1154
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I couldn't agree with that more. The experience, to me,

1155
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 2: especially right now, is what's most valuable, and that's what

1156
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: I appreciate the most, you know, Like when when I

1157
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 2: look back at the hunting experiences that I have had,

1158
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: it's been the camaraderie with the guys I've been with

1159
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: and what I'm what we've been able to do, and

1160
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: and also you know, like me making good decisions and

1161
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 2: putting myself in a good position like that, that's what

1162
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 2: I think is cool. I'm like, oh man, like either

1163
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: either on the positive or negative, like oh man, I

1164
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: really should have done that differently, or oh I should

1165
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 2: have done this or that, and that's like now I'm

1166
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: like that's cool, Like I learned that now I'm never

1167
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 2: going to make that mistake again, or wow, like, oh

1168
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 2: look at I did this and it worked out. That's

1169
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 2: that's really cool how that worked out. Oh maybe there's

1170
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 2: something to learn there too, and to take with me

1171
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: next hunt. So that's really I think what's the most

1172
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: valuable just being able to like feel confident in those

1173
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 2: situations and just experience, like you said.

1174
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, adapt and and I'm the say you know, people

1175
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: ask me all the time like I'm supposed to know

1176
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: the answer to every situation, have the right answer. I'm like,

1177
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: trust me, I fail more than I succeed. Out there

1178
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: still is a guy that you know, was supposed to

1179
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: know all about elk hunting, and I'm like, it's just

1180
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: it's it's just elk hunting. And and I'm either chalking

1181
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: it up to a lesson learned or like you said that, hey,

1182
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: I've made the right decision that time and worked out

1183
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: in my favor. And we're going to talk a little

1184
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: bit about more that mental. But the other thing is

1185
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: I've been doing this long enough where you know, the

1186
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: same as in a fight, you might be down by

1187
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: a point, you know, if a minute and the clock's

1188
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: running out, like you've been there enough though and overcome

1189
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,439
Speaker 1: that that you don't get frazzled or like, I don't

1190
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: get frustrated on a seven day hunt because I know

1191
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: that it's only going to take one. And so like,

1192
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: my mental game is is unbreakable on a hunt because

1193
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:58,759
Speaker 1: I've been there, I've seen that it only takes one

1194
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: and so I'm just waiting for that one to make,

1195
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,239
Speaker 1: you know, a mistake or things to go my way.

1196
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: And you know, that's one of the biggest things where

1197
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: just tons of experience and being being in that position

1198
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 1: helps me wear a new guy. They're like, I'm not

1199
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: hiking around these mountains anymore. There's no WLK out here,

1200
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: or this has been bad three days, nothing's working in

1201
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 1: my favor. I'm done, you know. And so, yeah, the

1202
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: mental game is is huge in hunting as well.

1203
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. You know, people I think they just

1204
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 2: get frustrated way too easily. And you know that, like

1205
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: you said, it's a perfect example, but you only need

1206
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 2: one mistake, you know, you only need them to make one.

1207
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 2: You need one little wind sliver of opportunity and you

1208
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 2: know you can make it happen. And that's the I

1209
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:47,320
Speaker 2: think people, Uh no, maybe I think that that probably

1210
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: boils down to just wanting the result. They just maybe

1211
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: want to meet the freezer or they just want the

1212
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 2: mount on the wall, and that's not what hunting is about.

1213
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: You know, you want to do that, it's not hunting.

1214
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.

1215
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm more worried about our younger generation. I mean, you're

1216
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: you're younger than me, but you you know, you're wrestling background,

1217
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: You've obviously came up the right way. But this instant gratification,

1218
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: you know, group that's coming through like hunting is gonna be,

1219
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 1: They're gonna really struggle because it's not ever gonna unless

1220
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: you're on some private ranch, which I'm not against, but

1221
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: like the outcome is you're gonna it's gonna be like

1222
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: everything else we do in life, where your your outcome

1223
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: is gonna you know, you're gonna have to hit the

1224
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: time punch of time clock, put in the work, do

1225
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: the work in order to get results consistently. And yeah,

1226
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: I've always wondered, like my kid, I can see it

1227
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: in them a little bit, like like I just want

1228
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: to They just want to like kill on the first

1229
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: day and sometimes be done. And it's like no, this

1230
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: is like a process. This is a grind. It's supposed

1231
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: to be like this, you know, and then expanding on

1232
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: that where it's like, all right, now you killed your

1233
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: first buck yet it was a good little four point,

1234
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: but let's go try to find something bigger and like

1235
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: challenge ourselves. And he's like, no, I want to just

1236
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: kill you know, I'm fine with that as long as

1237
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: it happens on day one again, you know. And so

1238
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 1: it's like like you can always challenge yourself to get

1239
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: you know better. Now I don't want to. I'm never

1240
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: won the back away from sport hunting, but I've always

1241
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 1: felt like you challenge yourself taking more mature animals always,

1242
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, something that we do. But yeah, it's interesting

1243
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: to see if if these you know, teens and early

1244
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: twenty guys, you know, are going to be able to

1245
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: like put in and grind on some of these hard

1246
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: hunts that kind of what I thrive on.

1247
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 2: But right, yeah, it's it. I think you're you're spot

1248
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 2: on with, you know, the the instant gratification and that

1249
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 2: just seems you know, a product of social media and

1250
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 2: kind of the way that the world is working nowadays.

1251
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 2: It's like you know, you look at Uber eats and

1252
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: instat cart and stuff. You have to hit a button

1253
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: and then dinner's delivered to you. Now it's like just

1254
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: crazy stuff like that. And I feel like really fortunate

1255
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 2: that it wasn't like that for me with wrestling or

1256
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: you know, it didn't just come right away and I

1257
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 2: was I had to put a lot of time and

1258
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 2: effort in and work hard. So now I just really

1259
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: relate everything to that. And hunting for me has been

1260
01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: kind of similar, like you know there, I think, like

1261
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 2: you said, that there's a time for for both. There's

1262
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:12,479
Speaker 2: a time for you know, private land ranch hunts where

1263
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: you know you're going to get opportunity and it might

1264
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 2: be the first day and like you know, I think

1265
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: that that you're going to have success and there's a

1266
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 2: time for that. There's also a time for you know,

1267
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 2: getting in the back country or on public land and

1268
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 2: doing it yourself and it's going to take some time

1269
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: and maybe you don't see anything. And I think that

1270
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 2: they're both. They're both to me just as valuable, and

1271
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 2: you know, I would hope that there's people that can

1272
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: continue in that mindset. I think, like you said, it's

1273
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: it's going to be more difficult, just with the way

1274
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Speaker 2: the world works nowadays. But I see a lot of

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Speaker 2: value in that for for myself, and so I just

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Speaker 2: feel fortunate hopefully that I have a son now once

1277
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Speaker 2: he gets old enough to be able to share those

1278
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Speaker 2: lessons with him, and you know, hopefully the same thing

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Speaker 2: with my friends and their kids and things like that,

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Speaker 2: that you know, we can we can hopefully continue these, uh,

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Speaker 2: these lessons and help kind of pass that down in

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Speaker 2: some way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So today, is there a hunt that stands

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Speaker 1: out to you more so than than another? Like, if

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Speaker 1: you if there's one that you think about or that

1286
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Speaker 1: you're like, that was pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that I've been really fortunate.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've only one hundred a few years and

1289
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Speaker 2: I've had a lot of success, and I think that

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Speaker 2: mostly has to do with the people that I've been

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Speaker 2: able to surround myself with. I've just been really fortunate

1292
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: to be around really good guys and really good experienced

1293
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Speaker 2: hunters who who you know, just have the right type

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Speaker 2: of mindset and I've been able to learn with from them,

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Speaker 2: and so, you know, I have a lot of a

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Speaker 2: lot of gratitude for all of my hunt I think

1297
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Speaker 2: that my first archery kill was probably like what I

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01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 2: really think about. So I went to uh, West Virginia.

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Speaker 2: I was hunting white tail in an area and uh

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Speaker 2: my buddy, so I had never hunted there before. My

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01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,680
Speaker 2: buddy had hunted there for a few years. And it

1302
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: was one of those you know, we we were there

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Speaker 2: for three days and it was like we got there

1304
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:28,200
Speaker 2: and it's like eighty degrees and we're like, Frank, what

1305
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 2: are we going to do? Like this is not good?

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know, and and also in an area

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Speaker 2: like he knew a little bit, but like neither of

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Speaker 2: us knew it super well. So we were kind of

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Speaker 2: just trying to get after it, trying to get get

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Speaker 2: some action, and it wasn't looking good, and it was

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01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: you know, we really saw nothing. We saw one deer

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Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty yards off that was gone

1313
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 2: in a second on the and then uh, it got

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01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:57,919
Speaker 2: to the last morning, so we're gonna be I think

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01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: leaving around noon and so we had, you know, maybe

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01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: another hour left to hunt, and my buddy and I

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01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 2: we had been kind of doing a little bit of

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01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: hunting together, a little bit of splitting up, and he

1319
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: was like, all right, how about you know, you post

1320
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:15,080
Speaker 2: up here, I'll maybe like circle around see if we

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01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: can get anything moving. And I was like, all right,

1322
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Speaker 2: let's do it. And this was yeah, like I said,

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Speaker 2: you know, I this was like my first time archery hunting.

1324
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: I mean I had sat in some stands and stuff

1325
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Speaker 2: in PA, but never like took a shot at anything.

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Speaker 2: And so you know, he kind of was still like

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Speaker 2: taking the lead, you know, helping me a lot. And

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Speaker 2: he was like set up, set me up here. And

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Speaker 2: then he like kind of went around and I was

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Speaker 2: on like the top of a like kind of a

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01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: big hill and it was wooded. I was like, you

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Speaker 2: know what, I don't really like the spot, Like I'm

1333
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 2: gonna go down a little bit. So I went down

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01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: probably like fifty yards and I just kind of sat

1335
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 2: myself in between these two trees and I had like

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Speaker 2: a thicket on my left, and so I ranged a

1337
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 2: few areas and I had like a few good shooting

1338
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: lanes and it was just like and I was just

1339
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: kind of like, all right, I'm just gonna enjoy being

1340
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: here nature sitting. It's all good. You know, Pray a

1341
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 2: little bit and just thank God for me being able

1342
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,360
Speaker 2: to just be out out and you know, now we're

1343
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 2: going and we're gonna go home empty handed, but it's

1344
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 2: all good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I was just kind of in the middle of thought,

1347
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 2: and about eight yards from me, he walks out, walks

1348
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,440
Speaker 2: a little white tail and it's him. And then I

1349
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: got that thicket, that bush in between me and him,

1350
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 2: and he just walks right by me, and I'm like,

1351
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 2: immediately just like heart thumping, like losing it. And so

1352
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 2: he's he's kind of walking at an angle in front

1353
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 2: of me, and so I have a big tree in

1354
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 2: front of me, so I know he's gonna walk out

1355
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 2: on the other side, and so I already had it ranged,

1356
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 2: and so I'm sitting down and as he walks by

1357
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: the tree, I draw back and I'm waiting for him

1358
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: to come out. And it felt like it was an

1359
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: eternity and it was probably ten seconds. And so he

1360
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: comes out and almost exactly play perfectly where I thought

1361
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 2: he would. He was at thirty two yards and sent

1362
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,520
Speaker 2: the arrow, and it just seemed like everything happened so

1363
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 2: fast it was insane. And he kind of jumped and

1364
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 2: kicked and took off, and I was just my heart's thumping,

1365
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: and so I waited there for probably like ten minutes,

1366
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, and I was like, I don't think I

1367
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 2: could wait anymore. Let me, let me go find my arrow.

1368
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 2: So I go up and I find my arrow and

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Speaker 2: it's like, you know, full blood on the fletchings, looks

1370
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Speaker 2: like lung, and I'm like, this is perfect, let's go.

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Speaker 2: And so then I sit there another like five minutes

1372
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:38,640
Speaker 2: or so. It's been like twenty minutes, and mind you might,

1373
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: there's no service, so I can't tell my friend or anything,

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01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: and so I'm just like, all right, let's see if

1375
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: like there's decent blood. And there was like really good blood,

1376
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 2: and so I'm like, I'll follow this. And so I

1377
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 2: felt followed it down the mountain and maybe forty yards

1378
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 2: down behind the tree, the buck was right there, and

1379
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Speaker 2: I was just.

1380
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Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, this is insane.

1381
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Speaker 2: I can't believe this happened, like last second, like hail Mary.

1382
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 2: And it worked out, and so then I'm like, all right,

1383
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 2: that hill is pretty steep. So then I'm like, okay,

1384
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna drag this dude back up a ways

1385
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: to some flat area so we can we can gut

1386
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 2: him and stuff. And so I'm like dragging him and

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01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 2: I'm halfway back up the hill and my buddy comes

1388
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 2: walking up and he looks at me and I'm just

1389
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:21,760
Speaker 2: like we did it.

1390
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh my gosh, no way, like.

1391
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: That's crazy, and then we just he ran up to

1392
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: me be celebrated. But yeah, it was a public land

1393
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 2: whitetail on the ground was my first archery kill, so

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Speaker 2: I was pretty pretty pumped about that one.

1395
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Yeah, I think everybody remembers their first dear

1396
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, you know one that you'll never forget.

1397
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: Do you have any dream hunts? Like, is you think

1398
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, as you're growing into this, like is there

1399
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 1: something that just like out there, they're like, man, I

1400
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: want to do that someday.

1401
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly I have. I have a bunch, you know.

1402
01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 2: I think my favorite, my favorite animal to hunt is

1403
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 2: elk for sure. You know I'm gonna be that's gonna

1404
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 2: be like my bread and butter. That's definitely what I'm

1405
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: gonna be spent spending the most time on from here

1406
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: on out. And I've been able to be on a

1407
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 2: few good elk hunts fortunately, and you know that's I'm

1408
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 2: excited to chase elk as long as I can, and

1409
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm gonna be doing a brown bear

1410
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 2: hunt coastal brown bear here in May, so super pumped

1411
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 2: about that. I and all my hunts, you know, I

1412
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 2: don't I want to continue to do all bow hunting,

1413
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: so you know, I just love being up close and

1414
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 2: personal with the animal. So that's something that I'm really

1415
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 2: excited about. I would love to do a lion hunt

1416
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: at some point, mountain lion, so you know, that's something

1417
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 2: that I'm real, uh, real interested in. But I think, yeah,

1418
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 2: the main thing I want to do is elk, but

1419
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 2: I could I could see myself getting into the predators

1420
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 2: as well, So that's something I feel like it's kind

1421
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 2: of cool just because of the different mindset, right, Like

1422
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're not prey like they're they're looking

1423
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: for their meals too, and I like the idea of

1424
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: having of like seeing you know, seeing that.

1425
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, I love it all. I was actually

1426
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: almost at the Portland show book the coastal brown bear

1427
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: hunt up on the Peninsula for May, but it was

1428
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: just too short and I already had a bunch of

1429
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: turkey hunting. That's everybody's gonna be like, man, you traded

1430
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 1: turkey hunting for a brown bear for Turkey unting, but

1431
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 1: I already had it planned and though it is, it is,

1432
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 1: but it's like brown Bear is one of my like

1433
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: dream animals too, so well, we'll get it on the books.

1434
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: You know. This year, I'm gonna do Dull Sheep, which

1435
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: was you know, the mountain animals have always kind of

1436
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: been been cool, so we're gonna get that out of

1437
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: the way. And then yeah, you know, talking about dream

1438
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: hunts and Elk like that's I was just I think

1439
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 1: you would release your Instagram video from last year you

1440
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,679
Speaker 1: hunted with l Oh Outfitters in New Mexico, and I'm like, oh,

1441
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: shooter using one of our tubes, And that's why I

1442
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 1: just kind of reached out. I'm like, hey, would you

1443
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: ever be interested in in planning a hunt as me

1444
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 1: and Dirk we're trying to get our year and so

1445
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: we're actually looking we're going to apply and with l

1446
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: Oh again and see if we can't draw tag this

1447
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: year and go to New Mexico. So I'm looking forward

1448
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: to that.

1449
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's gonna be awesome. Man, I'm super pumped.

1450
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: That was really Uh, it was a really fun hunt,

1451
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: really beautiful country as well. There's some some really good

1452
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: elk down there.

1453
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 1: So yeah, we have a the last Yeah, it's gonna

1454
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: be awesome. So, you know, since sometimes I struggle, since

1455
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 1: I've hunted my whole life and so there's never been

1456
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 1: like somebody who's interested in starting hunting. So what would

1457
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: you what advice would you give somebody who's interested in

1458
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: starting hunting but doesn't maybe know where to begin.

1459
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 2: No, that's a great question. I think that where I

1460
01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 2: started depending on what you want to do, right, Like

1461
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 2: if you want to rifle hunt, if you want to

1462
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 2: bow hunt, I'll obviously like bow hunting is getting more

1463
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 2: and more popular. A lot of people want to hunt archery,

1464
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 2: and so I feel like finding a good if you

1465
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: want to hunt archery, finding a really good archery shop

1466
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 2: is important. You know, do research and figure out where

1467
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,599
Speaker 2: you can go, even if you have to drive aways.

1468
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,639
Speaker 2: Like I drive about two hours down to Lancaster Archery

1469
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 2: and they have a great shop, and they were the

1470
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 2: ones that originally helped get me set up and stuff,

1471
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 2: and I still go back. So you know, I think

1472
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 2: that's something that's so valuable is finding a good archery

1473
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 2: shop and getting yourself a good setup that you're comfortable with.

1474
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 2: I think that in addition to that, YouTube is such

1475
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 2: a good resource. You know. I think that I study

1476
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: a lot of film for fighting, and I studied for wrestling,

1477
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,000
Speaker 2: and it's the same with me for hunting. I think

1478
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 2: that you know, you can find a lot of pieces

1479
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 2: that are super educational, you know, just just just search

1480
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:32,720
Speaker 2: it up on YouTube. There's a lot of good resources

1481
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 2: and whatever you're looking to do, even even stuff like uh,

1482
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 2: packless for gear stuff like that, that's just simple that

1483
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 2: you probably don't even have to think of that type

1484
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: of thing anymore. But you know, like for me, I'm

1485
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 2: like some of these trips, I'm like, what do I

1486
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 2: even what do I What should I bring you? That's

1487
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 2: type stuff like that's important. And I think also if

1488
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: you know, there's a lot of hunting videos out there

1489
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 2: that are like, you know, twenty minutes and they're showing uh,

1490
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: they're they're they're showing the hunt and stuff, then it's

1491
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:04,640
Speaker 2: it's going to culminate with the kill. Try to like

1492
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 2: pick out little details that you see outside of like

1493
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 2: just the shot. Like I think people maybe fast forward

1494
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 2: and rewind that they just watched the kill and it's like, dude,

1495
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 2: there's so much valuable information in that twenty minute video

1496
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 2: of like like, for instance, a good like it's something

1497
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 2: that I learned this last year that might seem so simple,

1498
01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: but it's just like obviously we know the wind, like

1499
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 2: we don't want to get scented, But where's the sun at?

1500
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 2: Like is the sun facing there like the animal or

1501
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 2: is it facing you? Like are you in the shade?

1502
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,599
Speaker 2: Are you like just something like this simple like that,

1503
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 2: like you're like, wow, okay, now I'm gonna position myself

1504
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 2: in the shade and have the sunshine. Animal like they're

1505
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: not going to seem you know, obviously you know wind

1506
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 2: is first, but you know, those type of things you

1507
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 2: can learn through experience and maybe you mess up or

1508
01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 2: you can learn from somebody else's experience, and and so

1509
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 2: I think those things are really important. And lastly, just

1510
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 2: like don't be afraid just get out there right like

1511
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 2: whether whether you if you're out east, like you know

1512
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 2: you might have to be sitting in a stand, like

1513
01:12:03,479 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: just get out as many day as you can go

1514
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 2: sit in a stand, go go, you know, mess with

1515
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,160
Speaker 2: where your setup is and just try to dink around

1516
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 2: and hunt the same area for sure. Like you know,

1517
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 2: if you're bouncing back and forth between a hundred different

1518
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 2: areas and you think, oh, I just got to move

1519
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,559
Speaker 2: to an area to find success, like maybe just figure

1520
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 2: out how to hunt one area, and you know, I

1521
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 2: think that's that's really important. But like just put yourself,

1522
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: put yourself out there. Like if you've got to go

1523
01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 2: the whole season and don't see a thing, like that's

1524
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 2: going to be valuable information for you to learn next

1525
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:36,799
Speaker 2: year to put yourself in better position.

1526
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, that's you you touch on a little bit,

1527
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: just like your time in the field is important because

1528
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: you can you can learn a lot from YouTube, podcasts,

1529
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. There's a lot more information out

1530
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: now than when I was learning to do it thirty

1531
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,919
Speaker 1: years ago. Kind of just had to make my own playbook.

1532
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: But there's so much information out there. But I've got

1533
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: the same guys that come to my seminar as year

1534
01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: after year and don't find success, And I know I'm

1535
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 1: telling them everything that I do, and then it's really

1536
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 1: like you need to go out and take these little bits,

1537
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: but then like develop your own system or figure it

1538
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: out for yourself. In a way. And a lot of

1539
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:10,800
Speaker 1: that just comes down the time. And I get it.

1540
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: A lot of us have busy lives or they'd rather

1541
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: take their you know, a couple of weeks of vacation

1542
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:16,000
Speaker 1: with their family. I don't blame you at all, but

1543
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,280
Speaker 1: in the end, like time in the field is invaluable

1544
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: compared to you know, YouTube, but it can't help fill

1545
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: the pieces in or at least send you in the

1546
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: right direction.

1547
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. The way the way I look at videos is

1548
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,600
Speaker 2: you know, for me, Archie Elk, it's like I got September,

1549
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:34,799
Speaker 2: so there's eleven more months where I need to improve

1550
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: and get better, So that that's the supplement, right, Like

1551
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,719
Speaker 2: the most valuable for sure is that month is getting

1552
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 2: out there experience. And I think too, you know, talk

1553
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 2: to people, ask them questions, like you know, I think

1554
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 2: most there's there's some hunters that maybe yeah, they're not

1555
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 2: gonna take you to their best spot and set you up,

1556
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: but they're gonna give you good information and and and

1557
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 2: then you know, kind of like I said too, I

1558
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 2: feel like maybe people hunt like ten different or like

1559
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,519
Speaker 2: one year they hunt this spot, they don't have success,

1560
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 2: so they go to a new spot. It's like you

1561
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 2: can figure out one spot, figure out, just figure out

1562
01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 2: how to hunt it. And if you know there are

1563
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 2: animals there, you know, just work that spot and you're

1564
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,880
Speaker 2: going to learn a lot. You know, if you just

1565
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 2: try to bounce back and forth, it's always going to

1566
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 2: be different. Like if you go hunt let's say you're

1567
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 2: hunting elk, it's going to be different in Colorado and

1568
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 2: New Mexico and Utah, like and even in a different

1569
01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 2: unit it's gonna be it's gonna be so different. Try

1570
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 2: to try to get out there as much as possible,

1571
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:35,600
Speaker 2: and if you don't have success at one spot, that

1572
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that's not a good spot.

1573
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the grass isn't always greener. And one thing

1574
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 1: we always say is like don't leave elk to find olk,

1575
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 1: Like you're there, you just need to figure out the area.

1576
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 1: But a great point. So last question for you here,

1577
01:14:48,400 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: I know I want to be respectful of your time.

1578
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: Busy guy with a new kid and training and everything.

1579
01:14:53,200 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: So how do you balance your hunting pursuits with your

1580
01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, your training and your hunting commitments, Like how

1581
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: are you able to you know, like some NFL star

1582
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 1: struggle because they're playing football all season, so they're maybe

1583
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,639
Speaker 1: getting the weekend and I have to kind of laugh.

1584
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: I watched the video of CHL who's always critical of everybody,

1585
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: Like the video is like, is bo still honeing right?

1586
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 1: Because some people say you took a lot of time

1587
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: off from your last fight, but it's you know, you

1588
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: had a baby coming. There's reasons. But I kind of

1589
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 1: had to laugh. It's like and now you're on the

1590
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: UFC three hundred card, but like back to the original question,

1591
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:27,559
Speaker 1: like how are you balancing you know, hunting with with

1592
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 1: your training and you know, your your events.

1593
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's definitely not easy. And I saw

1594
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 2: that video that Shell put out too. I thought that

1595
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 2: was hilarious. But yeah, I think that the most important

1596
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 2: part for me is just making sure I'm building it

1597
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 2: out and planning in advance. Like like I told my wife, like, okay,

1598
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: listen September, don't even like it's it's locked in, Like

1599
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: that's That's what I'm doing. And and you know, there

1600
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 2: might have to be sacrifices that you make otherwise. So

1601
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 2: like I've told her, I think communicating is important. And

1602
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 2: I told her I'm like, listen, I'm not going to

1603
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 2: like this is what I want to do. This is

1604
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,839
Speaker 2: what I'm passionate about. This, I want to pursue outside

1605
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 2: my career. This is the thing that you know, really

1606
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 2: just gets me pumped up. So I'm not going to

1607
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 2: take you know, these I'm not going to be taking

1608
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 2: other trips throughout the year and you know, dinking around

1609
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: and doing other stuff that's not as important to me.

1610
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 2: So I'm sacrificing certain things. So now I have time

1611
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,840
Speaker 2: where I have this month of dedication towards hunting. And

1612
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:36,040
Speaker 2: the other thing is that's nice for me is I'm

1613
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 2: able to schedule my fights. So guess what we're fighting

1614
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: end of July or August, So you know, I get

1615
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 2: that fight and then straight to hunting and now I'm

1616
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 2: got some time off and then I'm back to camp.

1617
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 2: So basically, I'm just building that into my schedule. And

1618
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,800
Speaker 2: I know not everybody's able to do that, like take

1619
01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 2: a month off and stuff, but you know, you might

1620
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 2: be able to take a week, you might be able

1621
01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,720
Speaker 2: to take three days. And so I think whatever it

1622
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 2: looks like for that individual, you just got to plan ahead,

1623
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 2: build it out, and be willing to sacrifice you know,

1624
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,760
Speaker 2: maybe some other things, maybe you know your boys want

1625
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 2: to take a weekend trip or they want this and that.

1626
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 2: It's like, you know what, man like that would be

1627
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 2: a great time, but you know I got to sacrifice

1628
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 2: that because I'm taking a weekend and here to go hunt.

1629
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 2: So that's something I think. It's just it's a big

1630
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 2: priority for me, So I I align my time h

1631
01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 2: correctly right, Like you know, it's it's really important for

1632
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 2: me to have time to hunt, so you know, other

1633
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 2: things I'm not going to put as much as much

1634
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,519
Speaker 2: time into and I just build it into my schedule now.

1635
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:43,559
Speaker 2: It's not even really a second thought. It's just like

1636
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 2: that's how it's going to work.

1637
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 1: How much flexibility do you have on like turning fights

1638
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 1: down off one showed up in September it was a

1639
01:17:48,920 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 1: fight you really wanted to take. Would you have to

1640
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: rethink or would you just push it off to the

1641
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 1: next event if possible?

1642
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: You know, I think I'm a big planner, So for me,

1643
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in, like the short note fights. I

1644
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 2: know a lot of people do them and take them

1645
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 2: and stuff, and for me, I want to plan and

1646
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,120
Speaker 2: get ready and prep and and I don't care a

1647
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: lot like a lot of people. You know, yeah, at

1648
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 2: the end of the day I fight. I'm a prize fighter,

1649
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 2: so I get a check at the end of the day,

1650
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 2: but that's not why I fight. So they could offer

1651
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:21,640
Speaker 2: me ten million bucks and if I don't want to

1652
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 2: take the fight and I'm in the mountains chasing elk,

1653
01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 2: then that's what I'm gonna be doing. So the money

1654
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 2: thing is not really a big motivator for me. So

1655
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 2: the other things are are a lot more important, And

1656
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 2: I think that's why people kind of do those short

1657
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 2: notice fights a lot of times, is oh, this is

1658
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:41,200
Speaker 2: my only opportunity and it's a big check for me.

1659
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,600
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have that mindset. I'm not I

1660
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 2: don't have the scarcy mindset. I'm going to have more

1661
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 2: opportunity in the future, and the money is not a

1662
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 2: huge priority, you know. I just I want to do

1663
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 2: what's best for my career. So yeah, I'm not like

1664
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 2: the short notice I'm more of a planner.

1665
01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, good good. So we're gonna wrap this up. So

1666
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: April thirteenth, you mentioned you watch a lot of film.

1667
01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: Are you will in the Cody Brendage. Are you thinking

1668
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: like stand up wrestling or you're not gonna not gonna

1669
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:09,800
Speaker 1: show any cards here.

1670
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 2: No, you know, I think that for me, wrestling is

1671
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 2: always going to be my bread and butter, my bass.

1672
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:17,680
Speaker 2: You know, anybody that fights me is going to have

1673
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: to train months and months of wrestling just to try

1674
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 2: to get ready for me, which in my opinion is

1675
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 2: a waste because they're never going to catch up. But again,

1676
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 2: it's it's the same thing as hunting. It's back to

1677
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,600
Speaker 2: those fundamentals and making sure that wherever we go in

1678
01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 2: the fight, that I have the fundamentals to be able

1679
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 2: to take advantage of that situation and to be able

1680
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 2: to put myself in good position. So you know, I

1681
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 2: never really have a I have a plan and a

1682
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 2: strategy going into the fight, but really, wherever the situation,

1683
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 2: wherever the fight goes, whatever situation I'm in, I'm going

1684
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,120
Speaker 2: to be well prepared and so I might knock him out,

1685
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 2: I might submit him. You know, it could be a

1686
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 2: decision if he if he's able to hang in there

1687
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 2: for me, with me for fifteen minutes. So you know,

1688
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 2: I'm not really nervous or worried about wherever it goes.

1689
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:07,240
Speaker 2: I don't. I have many many paths to win to victory.

1690
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 2: So yeah, that for me, I'm I'm just ready to compete.

1691
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 2: I'm excited, I'm fired up, gotcha.

1692
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: So Jamaiah, when when when he says that you're not

1693
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: wrestling for points, you're still saying that it's very very

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01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,560
Speaker 1: useful techniques inside the cage.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. You know, I think what it's funny

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01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 2: because the conversation with him and everybody else is, oh,

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Speaker 2: I smash this guy. Smash this guy one round, I

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01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 2: smash this guy. And with me, he says, oh, maybe

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01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 2: if he takes me down, I'll get back up. So

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Speaker 2: I can already see the shift in the mindset. Like

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01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 2: he knows who bet a wrestler is, he knows who

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01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: like his biggest strength, Like I completely outclass him in that.

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01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 2: So I think that that to me, it's more of

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01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 2: a compliment. It says a lot that you know, he

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01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 2: knows I would take him down, and I think that, uh,

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01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 2: you know, for at the same time that that that's

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Speaker 2: going to be a massive fight. It's an exciting fight,

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01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,800
Speaker 2: and he's a really really tough guy, tough opponent does

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Speaker 2: a lot of things well. So we'll match up at

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Speaker 2: some point in the future and I'll be ready.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that one. Well, good luck

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Speaker 1: in your upcoming fight. We'll get get through that one first,

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Speaker 1: and then I really look forward to joining you this

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Speaker 1: ball or if we can draw a tag or get

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Speaker 1: some tags and going out to New Mexico. So really

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time, Bo, good luck in your fights, and

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, I look forward to seeing how you're kind

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Speaker 1: of your your hunting career kind of parallels your your

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01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 1: fighting career, and I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely appreciate you having me on. Jason, had a

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01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:31,599
Speaker 2: great time.

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Speaker 1: Take care of boatm