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Speaker 2: Well, you know what what's crazy is that it wasn't

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Speaker 3: It's such a it's such a massive like statement to

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Speaker 3: I bet I brought up you brought up Schmidty who

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Speaker 2: Friend, keep wanting yeah, smart, smart, smitty.

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Speaker 2: That being said, Yeah, I don't, I don't, Yeah I don't.

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Speaker 1: He always got one.

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Speaker 2: What he did, he said, what he did? You know?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what what is it like? I know you've probably

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Speaker 2: What's crazy is that we got three three first ballot

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Speaker 2: Like there was no way, you know, I was going

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Speaker 1: Know, to finish business.

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Speaker 2: You hate man. He came back for us, you know,

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Speaker 2: He is coming back for his guys, and he's coming

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Speaker 1: There's such a such a like a focused position driving numbers,

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Speaker 2: A numbers game. It's a numbers game, you know, and

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Speaker 2: So he nudged me. I'm like, damn, I just would.

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Speaker 1: What was the highest you got on the list like

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Speaker 2: I think I think I got up. I think I

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Speaker 2: was kind of cool, you know, to to see some

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Speaker 2: but a lot of stuff you don't. You don't remember

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Speaker 2: So yeah, man, it was cool to relive that.

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Speaker 3: People don't talk about this. But like, you win the Heisman,

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Speaker 3: obviously it's such a surreal moment. Your blood's pumping, Like

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Speaker 2: Your I didn't have Yeah, I didn't have nothing. I

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Speaker 2: had nothing. Yeah, I had nothing.

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Speaker 3: Thank you family. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I remember, you know, getting up and of course,

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Speaker 2: I'm here to just enjoy this moment.

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Speaker 1: And write nothing down.

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Speaker 2: It is kind of it's.

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Speaker 3: when they pull out.

433
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I don't like to do that.

434
00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:48,920
Speaker 2: Just as a general rule, I don't like to read

435
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Speaker 2: from anything. If I if I'm talking, I just like

436
00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,880
Speaker 2: to talk. But yeah, I went there, man, just.

437
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Speaker 3: Nothing, ma'am you When you think about like the colleg

438
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,520
Speaker 3: football landscaping now on all the nil stuff, how would

439
00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,159
Speaker 3: you had to be going crazy? You'd have put you

440
00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,320
Speaker 3: would have been. I mean, you've been a seven figure cat.

441
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 2: I got, I got, I got one year.

442
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 3: Left you trying to get out. I got year the bench,

443
00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,800
Speaker 3: but I make seven figures plays.

444
00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,959
Speaker 1: How many players you think you give to a college

445
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 1: game in college? Right right now?

446
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 2: If you play college, I'll run that ship right now.

447
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 1: So you don't think you'd be blowing a hand me

448
00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:29,800
Speaker 1: out there?

449
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,800
Speaker 3: Hey, listen, told you got a little as that beer.

450
00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 2: A little bit, A little bit. I believe I still

451
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 2: run around a little bit. I still get after it. Yeah,

452
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 2: I give hey, I get I give him some work

453
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:45,680
Speaker 2: out there straight up.

454
00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 1: In college's playing corner.

455
00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I could play anything anything.

456
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: He'd be like, uh, Travis Hunter, I'd be like him.

457
00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he truly plays both the ways. I think that

458
00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 2: is like one hundred and thirty plus plays again, like crazy,

459
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 2: I tell people like I like dibbled and dabbled on offense.

460
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,439
Speaker 2: I didn't play a whole lot offense. It just seems

461
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:12,360
Speaker 2: like he plays of defense. Like literally, that's crazy.

462
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 1: When you don't come off the field, right, Yeah, that's

463
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: where do you think he's better suited on offense or defense?

464
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, I think receiver. I think he's a nasty receiver.

465
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

466
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean he's a good corner'll get me wrong, but

467
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 2: I see it's his his offensive skills. Man, I think

468
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 2: it's offensive skills dominate over his defensive skills.

469
00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 1: What's interesting too, is like your story back when you

470
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 1: were you know, with your mom and coach and like

471
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: not playing like situations like that. I feel like these days,

472
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: like you could just if you're upset, you could just bounce.

473
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 2: Quick yea yeah, and not have any any repercussions. Like

474
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 2: it used to be where if you went to another

475
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 2: D one school you had to sit out a whole year.

476
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,440
Speaker 2: And so now it's like what coach, Oh, I don't worry,

477
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: but I won't be here tomorrow you can just leave.

478
00:21:58,960 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 1: Do you think if.

479
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Speaker 3: You when you were a freshman ad mission that, like,

480
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 3: was there any time of time if there was an

481
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 3: opportunity to go on the transferport that you might mind.

482
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 2: Well, at that time we talked about with Coach car

483
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 2: So when I went back to my dorm room, it

484
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: was funny because we had a couple of guys who

485
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 2: visited the University of Miami.

486
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 3: Were you in West Quad?

487
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,320
Speaker 2: I was in I was in West Squad. Yeah, And

488
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,360
Speaker 2: so after practice, a couple of guys, my boys, Man,

489
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 2: what happened? I was like, Man, I don't know, man,

490
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: coach tripping? Man, I said, Man, I'm out of here. Man.

491
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 2: It was like what I said, Man, fuck this, Man,

492
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to Miami. Man, I'm transferred out here. I

493
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: don't want to be here. Man, were going too, we Man,

494
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: let's do it serious. So we had like a little

495
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: mutiny going on for like twenty four hours.

496
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit.

497
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 2: Like Man, I'm leaving. But uh, but I think that's

498
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,880
Speaker 2: probably how it happens, you know, with a lot of guys.

499
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 2: You know, you have an altercation with a coach and

500
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: you go back to the room and there's nobody to

501
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 2: talk you down from that ledge and you're like, shum out,

502
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 2: I don't I don't got to deal with this. And

503
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 2: nowadays it's easier than ever to say I don't want

504
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 2: to deal with it.

505
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 3: It makes it so much more difficult to keep accountability

506
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: in a locker room that's so important in football together.

507
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: And that's what that's what hard, what what Michigan did

508
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: with and and the reason why I feel like they

509
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 2: want and we're so dominant is because they really had

510
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 2: grown men out there. You know what I'm saying. We

511
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: got a bunch of you know, junior seniors guys who

512
00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: came back. And so if you look at what you know,

513
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 2: how a state is doing right now, they're they're trying

514
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 2: to you know, buy all these players, trying to get

515
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 2: all this this this quick fix. It's hard to it's

516
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: hard to build it that way, you know what I'm saying.

517
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: If you if you're trying to do that every year,

518
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 2: like you got to have you know, kind of a

519
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 2: nucleus of guys that are coming back and you can

520
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 2: build a program with. So it's gonna get harder and harder,

521
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: and you know for coaches to kind of maintain that

522
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 2: because there used to be truly like a loyalty to school.

523
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: Now it's just a loyalty to you and what you

524
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: can get, you know, trying to get the most out

525
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 2: of it for yourself. So so it's gonna be hard

526
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: for coaches.

527
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 3: That's an interesting thing, is like having loyalty to yourself

528
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 3: and your school even when you play. When we play

529
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 3: like that was still there, like you still wanted to

530
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 3: benefit yourself playing well and the team doing well is

531
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 3: you know at the same time. But now it's like

532
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 3: it's wild west. And with Ohio State the way they're

533
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: setting up this year, they're spending so much money in

534
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: an IL and bringing these guys in there. If they

535
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,120
Speaker 3: don't essentially if they don't win the national championship, it's

536
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: it's right.

537
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's the That's definitely the type of

538
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: pressure that you put on yourself. If you say, all right,

539
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 2: I got the best guy out from here, the best

540
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: guy from here, best guy from here, and then you

541
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 2: get them all together and it doesn't work. It's like,

542
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 2: you know, people start looking at you real crazy, yeah,

543
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: and you like, go ahead.

544
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 1: I was just gonna know if you got more in college,

545
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: I was going to start to dabble in the NFL world, but.

546
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 3: A couple more things on college just this year. Sean

547
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 3: More obviously, like I'm a massive Sean More fan. I

548
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 3: think he deserved that job. They made the right Yeah

549
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 3: he is. He's the dude for for the university should

550
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 3: he lost a lot of players, like eighteen dudes gonna

551
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: get drafted, and then coaching staff and lost the DC

552
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 3: lost the string coach, which I think is like the

553
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: most devastating loss. Like herb with the opportunity to go

554
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 3: there and meet and talk at him.

555
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 2: He was kind of going starting the conditioning, Oh man,

556
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: it's my guy. Man.

557
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, evaluates tips, knees, everything in the grading scale they

558
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: put everybody on. Like you walk away from that being like, damn,

559
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 3: I wish he was. Yeah, I was playing because it

560
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,239
Speaker 3: was like a guy like this is a dude you

561
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: have for all of college and then in the off

562
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:29,879
Speaker 3: season you're backing in arbor.

563
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 1: What.

564
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 2: I took my son up to a little two day

565
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: camp they had up there, and he just had a

566
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: you know, certain easy way that that he does pull ups. Ship.

567
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: I went back home and I was doing him that way.

568
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, that's the kind of guy

569
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: he was. Man.

570
00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: So, yeah, what's like like like most reasonable expectation for

571
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 3: the University of Michigan in twenty twenty four season.

572
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be tough. You know, looking at

573
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,359
Speaker 2: the schedule I was looking at the other day. We

574
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 2: got Texas coming in the second game.

575
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 3: Schedule to the USC right l A State, Ohio State

576
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: got Oregon tail.

577
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and you know, you just look at the Texas.

578
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: They have their guy, their quarterbacks coming back, you know

579
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 2: what I mean. So they have you know, what we

580
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: have is a lot of guys leaving. Our quarterback leaves.

581
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: You got a Texas team that just was in the

582
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 2: playoffs as well, they're still building building on that and

583
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 2: still have a lot of things in place. And then

584
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: they got their quarterback coming back. So I think it'll

585
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 2: it'll be it'll be tough sledding for him, just because

586
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 2: he's really rebuilding it. Like you said, there's nothing. I

587
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: don't think anything hurts some more than losing staff, losing

588
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 2: guys that were in there in place, you know, losing

589
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: uh being strength and conditioning coach, You lose your defensive coordinator.

590
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: You know, he's gone, uh, A few other guys have

591
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: have left as well. I think Jim's uh is it

592
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: jim Son that's on the on the staff that he

593
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: just left.

594
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: I don't know you would assume you're taking a couple

595
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: offensive guys.

596
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so a lot of guys left, man, So I

597
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: don't know it'd be it'll be interesting, but it's gonna

598
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: be a it's gonna be a tough slip to slip.

599
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 3: The uh and Arbor best place to go eat college kid.

600
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: I got the place in my head right now, but

601
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 3: I don't want to start well, I mean, n I

602
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,640
Speaker 3: l no, no, no, no, no no. We're talking those little chips,

603
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 3: like those little coupons that.

604
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: Are like to well for me.

605
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: For me, it was cottage in cottage and did.

606
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: Hit Yeah, I don't think. I don't think.

607
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: We it's a little pizza spot. Did you guys get

608
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 3: the little pieces of paper the chips?

609
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 1: Yeah?

610
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 2: Fifteen bucks on ours?

611
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 3: Yeah see ours? Was you got like two medium pizzas

612
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: and like a soda or something like that. You go

613
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: smack one of those things barbecue. It was nice. We

614
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,440
Speaker 3: are this podcast is mister spots.

615
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 2: Mister spots. Yeah, like mister Spots. But me, but me,

616
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: I was, I was it was pizza for me. Man. Yeah,

617
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: and cottage In they had they had the they had

618
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: the best pizza. And I always felt like cottage In

619
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 2: was out of all the places that we could get. So,

620
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: you know, he had mister spots, you had cottage In,

621
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: and we only had like four different places you can

622
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: go from. Like that one to me was like the most,

623
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: Like I felt like I was really doing something if

624
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: I went into college Cottagein and got something, you know

625
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. The restaurant. Yeah, yeah, it was like, yeah,

626
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: you know, I felt like I was doing something, you

627
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: know what I mean? So cottage In was that deal.

628
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 3: Last last college go to the NFL Top five players

629
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: University of Michigan history, but not like obviously, like the

630
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 3: argument here would be Tom Brady. Would Tom Brady be

631
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 3: a top five Michigan football player?

632
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: Not a Michigan right right, right right?

633
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: But you have one, so you don't have to do

634
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: it yourself.

635
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: I got to put myself in there. Yeah, well we could.

636
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: I put myself in. Can I put myself in an

637
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 2: offense and defense and I can be.

638
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 3: Like that?

639
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's that's pretty tough. I'm gonna say. Uh.

640
00:28:51,440 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: Desmond i'd have to go Anthony Carter. Mmmm, that's tough.

641
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: Let's get my man hutch in there, Steve Hutchison.

642
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, that sneaky with one maybe Jake Long.

643
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so I got two receivers in right now, because

644
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: I've already smoked with that mold and I got to

645
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: Oh so that would be two offensive tackles, no choice

646
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: in the guard.

647
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: But also Blake Horn.

648
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you got some recent guys in there, Let's

649
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: put Blake in there. Let's put Blake in there for

650
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: what he did, uh these last couple of seasons. And

651
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: he's rocking the deuce out there too. Let's do that.

652
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: So that's that's fine, right, that's fine. Okay.

653
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: The tough question it was helped me out. Was Blake's

654
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: stats overall better than heart?

655
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, I just remember the touchdown wise for sure,

656
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: I think because he got a bunch of touchdowns.

657
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: By any Michigan players.

658
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and he.

659
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 3: Like I think he blew it up. I don't think

660
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 3: he blew it out. I think he be about one

661
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: or two.

662
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but did it.

663
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: With only like three years starting as opposed to that

664
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: Anthony Thomas, Yeah, he was at like fifty five four

665
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: year starter and he got like fifty seven.

666
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: Six Mike did.

667
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: It was real?

668
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 2: What the what the core? All right? Yeah? But the

669
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: thing is, even even though you have the all the

670
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: yards and stuff, it's still about impact too. Yeah, Like

671
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 2: his impact on the team is one of those things

672
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: that you know, it might not be top five and

673
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 2: Russian or whatever, but his impact on coming back, you

674
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And then his impact just just

675
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: his presence on the field. Man, So like my man, Yeah, yeah, I.

676
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Don't even I mean, you had such an incredible NFL

677
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: career as well, it's kind of like hard to focus

678
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: on something or start somewhere. But I am curious, Like

679
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: you're one of the greatest Raiders of all time, and

680
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: then you had that stint in Green Bay where you

681
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: played a lot of good ball, and then you come

682
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: back to Oakland like when you were in a hit

683
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: free agency, like you were somebody who were friend you

684
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: were franchise tagged, right yep, So like was there when

685
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: you left Oakland the first time? Was there like bitterness

686
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: with the organization when going to Green Bay? Like because

687
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: you obviously came back around to Oakland, but being such

688
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: a great player for them when they kind of like,

689
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: let you go elsewhere. Was there like any resentment? Was

690
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: there any bitterness of the business per se?

691
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of because I never thought that I would

692
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: leave Oakland, and the bitterness was more so with you know,

693
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: like the GM at the time, so not necessarily just Raiders.

694
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 2: It was just the GM, you know, And I think

695
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: at that time, you know, you know, they you know,

696
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: told my agents or something something that there was you know,

697
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: no value to bringing me back to the Raiders, and

698
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: that was coming from from that side, and so it

699
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: was like, you know what I'm saying, what are you

700
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: talking about? So, yeah, it was it was a little

701
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: bit bitterness in that regard. But I was also like

702
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: I said, I didn't think I would leave there. But

703
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: then it was I've got franchise tagged, so I was free,

704
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: so I could go anywhere. So I thought that, you know,

705
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: I was going to have my my picket or litter

706
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 2: you know, anywhere I wanted to go. You know, I

707
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: was gonna be able to go. And it, man, it

708
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: was it was dry as this hear out there, you

709
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Yeah, it was. It was kind

710
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: of crazy. And so you know, I went in thinking

711
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: one thing, and then my experience wasn't all that great,

712
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: you know. And so through the process, green Bay began

713
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: to call my agents and and you know, wanted to

714
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: bring me in, and you know, I was reluctant. I

715
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: was like, nah, you know, I'm not going to Green Bay.

716
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: So there was no really no really no reason for

717
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 2: me to visit there and so called again. And when

718
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: everything was really like quiet from from everyone else, you know,

719
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: I had my agent reaching out to other people and

720
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: nobody was biting. So I was like, all right, well,

721
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: let me go to Green Bay because we got to

722
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: at least try to draw some interest from I'll go there.

723
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 2: Maybe somebody else will be like, all right, well some

724
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: other people are checking form. Man. It was it was crazy, yo.

725
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: But if green Bay didn't want me, I don't. I

726
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: really don't know where where I would have played in

727
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: two thousand and six. It really, yeah, really.

728
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: Why do you think it was so dry? Like the

729
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: free agency market?

730
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: There were you know, just there was a lot of

731
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: a lot of things out there. One I had I

732
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: did come off an injury. I broke my leg in

733
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 2: two thousand and five, so I missed the final ten

734
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: games of the season and then people talked about my

735
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: attitude and talked about you know, just a lot of

736
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: different different things and so, and I think some of

737
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: that came from the raider side as well, just you know,

738
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 2: putting some stuff out there conversation, you know, right right,

739
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: right right. Because because Mike McCarthy asked when I first

740
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,359
Speaker 2: met with Mike, because it was his first I think

741
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: it was his first year, was my first year, he

742
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: asked me about it in our meeting. He was like, oh,

743
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: what is this about you, you know, being a bad

744
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 2: bad team guy, bad locker room guy. And I was like, what, Like, man,

745
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: you can't talk to any players I played with that's

746
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: say I'm a I'm a bad locker room guy. So

747
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: I don't know where that's coming from. So there was

748
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 2: some things being you know put out there. Uh that

749
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: muddy the water and so yeah, it was just it

750
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 2: was a it was a little tough, tough period man

751
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: to kind of go through as a guy who I

752
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 2: had done everything, you know. Oh yeah, so I'm like, damn,

753
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: that's how they that's how they really feel.

754
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you did you have any more moments that

755
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: you felt like they were defining you by that you

756
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: might have had lower moments while being on the Raiders

757
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: that allowed them to say, what's this about you being

758
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: a bad team guy?

759
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I mean I had some asshole in me.

760
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna say that. Yeah, But but in terms

761
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: of you know, player and you know, uh, guys in

762
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: the locker room. Nah, it wouldn't have it wouldn't have

763
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 2: been from that. But yeah, I mean I had my

764
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: I have my my issues with coaches at times. You know,

765
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: I like to hang out, do my thing, you know

766
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, outside of playing football. So you know,

767
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: maybe that could have had something to do with it.

768
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: Who knows, But in terms of being able to play

769
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: the game, and you know, just overall, you know, good dude,

770
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: I'm a good dude, you know what I'm saying.

771
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: Can you speak to like your development in the the

772
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: film room, because obviously, like you're a guy, you were,

773
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: you were an All American coming out, Heisman Trophy winner,

774
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: top five pick, like you have all the accolades, right,

775
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: Like it's like, oh, he's the most He's just so talented.

776
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: He's super talented. But I'm also fortunate enough to play

777
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: with Will Blackman for a couple of years. And when

778
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: Will and I we'd have our sushi knights and stuff,

779
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: but he would talk about you as somebody who's always

780
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: like a last in the building, and he would learn

781
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: a lot of his study habits from you. You feel

782
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: like you had those throughout your entire career. You developed

783
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: him as you got older, because he always said the

784
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: best things about you. I feel like something like that,

785
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: like being a student of the game, kind of gets

786
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: slept on when you're somebody who has all the accolades.

787
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 2: In the world. Yeah, I think it compounds over time

788
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: because you do start out, you know, like myself, I

789
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: was a great athlete, so a lot of stuff's going

790
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: to come easy, you know, so you don't necessarily have

791
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: to spend as much time looking at certain things. But

792
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: the one thing that I've always had as a player

793
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: was I've had great play recall, you know what I mean.

794
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: So when you're out there on the field and you

795
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: see certain things, you start to pick up on tendencies

796
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: like I always had that without necessarily having to look

797
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: at film. And so then you know, as your career

798
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: goes on, you take different different methods from different coaches

799
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: like Vance Befford, Like I remember, you know, just going

800
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 2: back to a certain play. We played Northwestern my junior

801
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 2: year and it was a third and long situation and

802
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: me and him had went over what they liked to

803
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 2: do in that situation and they ran out and I

804
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: picked that out off. So different things you pick up

805
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 2: from different coaches. Chuck Burgano was another guy who worked

806
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 2: on me on third down as well, you know, being

807
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: around him, I learned a lot on third down tendencies,

808
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 2: you know that being money down and so over time,

809
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: then you start developing your own style of how you

810
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 2: like to see things. And so for me, like I said,

811
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: I always had, you know, good play. Recall what I

812
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: would start to do in my studies. I would start

813
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: to watch the game from the opposing team's one yard

814
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: line all the way to the one yard line, but

815
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: then the same personnel. So I wanted to see from

816
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 2: the one to the one, same person I want to

817
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: see it in all parts of the field because you'll

818
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: run certain things from first to five, first to ten,

819
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: ten to twenty twenty to forty forty to twenty twenty two.

820
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and a lot of it

821
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: mirrors what you do from here to here, you know

822
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: what I mean. So like you take a wheel for example.

823
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: You know, I would have my film broken up certain ways,

824
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: and then I would tell those guys, this is how

825
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: I like to look at the film. And so we would,

826
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: you know, when we'd have our times together in our

827
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: film room, we would look at the film and then

828
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: we start going over these things. When and when I

829
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 2: would see something that would kind of they may get

830
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: to it a different way, but it's the same thing.

831
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: Would I would go back to it, all right, Now

832
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 2: watch this. Watch how this team lines up on this

833
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: plane runs it. Now watch them motion to it and

834
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: run it. But it's the same thing, you know. So

835
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 2: I was always taught it's not how you line up,

836
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: it's how you wind up. So those are the things

837
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 2: that I was able to, you know, pass along to

838
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 2: those guys. And for me, it's just over time, it

839
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: was I got gradually even better at it.

840
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: You know, you found like another way to prepare them

841
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: be like, okay, added to your game and that that

842
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: fires me up as a defensive guy. That's that's that's

843
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: football porn right there.

844
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 3: It seems like you had a good way of simplifying

845
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: things exactly, emotions and stuff like that. This is the

846
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 3: same thing, just a little extra dressing on it, like

847
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 3: to go back to like the you know, tough locker

848
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: room guy, or these being put into a box of

849
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: a category of your character. For Charles Woodson, how when

850
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: you're hearing these things from different coaches from different gms,

851
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: like how did you was that like motivation for you?

852
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: Like I'll prove you wrong and this is why or

853
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: how do you handle those types of things when someone

854
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 3: might be putting you in a corner and saying you're

855
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: like this, when you truly don't feel you're like that.

856
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: Actually I was kind of I was hurt, man, you

857
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Yeah, that kind of hurt, you

858
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: know because I never, throughout my whole life, had never

859
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: been in a position where people doubted me. You know

860
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, that never, And so that was that

861
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 2: was a period where it was like there was there

862
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: was some doubt cast over me as a as a as

863
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: a football player. Now you may not like me as

864
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: a person or whatever that is, but like on the

865
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 2: football field, like to have somebody say, man, he can't

866
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 2: do that anymore. He's always heard he's injury prone, he's that,

867
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: and that's like damn, Like that that kind of that

868
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: kind of broke me down a little bit. And so

869
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 2: when I when I first got to Green Bay, you know,

870
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,959
Speaker 2: there was just a period in there where I was like, damn,

871
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: I don't I don't even want to play football anymore,

872
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So at Green Bay, Yeah,

873
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: when I when I first got there and I first signed,

874
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,479
Speaker 2: you know, I called a few people who are close

875
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: to me and I was like, yeah, I think I'm

876
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna hang it up. And and it

877
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 2: was my uh my agent at the time, Kevin Posting.

878
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: He uh he said, hey, man, he said, you signed

879
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 2: the contract, right. I was like, yeah, I signed the contract.

880
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: He was like, well, that's like giving your word. And

881
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 2: I was like yeah. He was like, you at least

882
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: at least need to play one at least play one year.

883
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Because you've signed the contract,

884
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 2: you gave me your word at least need to play

885
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: one year. And so I was like, yeah, you know what,

886
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: that makes sense. That makes sense. So, you know, I

887
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: got through that little period and then you know, things

888
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: just kind of just started to take off and slow

889
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: down in Green Bay, where I was like, all right,

890
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm back.

891
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: You guys had a good team too. It looked fun,

892
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: like everybody talked about your schematics defensively, why m I

893
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: forget his name?

894
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 2: Coordinator, Well, that was later you're talking about Dom Capers. Okay,

895
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: that was later on when I first got there was

896
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 2: another guy. But we but in terms of having fun,

897
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: we had we had a great group, especially secondary wise,

898
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: Al Harris, Nick Collins, Tremion Williams had just come in

899
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: some young some other young guys are tarry big beats,

900
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: so like our secondary you know, then young will comes in.

901
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: We had just some young, good guys on that secondary

902
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: man and uh, it was great because you know when

903
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 2: you talk about I had some young guys that kind

904
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: of looked up to me, and so you know, kind

905
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: of watching what I did, and you talk about the

906
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: film study and all of those sorts of things. So

907
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: then it really became fun because because then it was

908
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 2: almost like a responsibility. How am I going to get

909
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 2: to help these guys, you know, get to the next level.

910
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: And it was really about going out there and showing

911
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 2: them for the most part. But then just those little

912
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 2: things like you know, finding your own way to watch

913
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 2: the film that makes it easier for you, right, and

914
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: then you grow from there?

915
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: When did you find that transition of like when you

916
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: first set in the league and you get in a

917
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 3: locker with a bunch of NFL players, you're like, oh shit,

918
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 3: that's the so and so, Oh that's this guy. And

919
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 3: then eventually it flips where people and they're a fan

920
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 3: of you now yea, yeah, yeah, now you're Yeah, you're young,

921
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 3: You're the dude that people are like, yo, let me

922
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 3: watch film with you? And like where where do you

923
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: think that switch turned for you in your NFL career?

924
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 3: Was like, Okay, I'm now the guy that's supposed to

925
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 3: be leading, not following, if following for lack of a

926
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 3: better work, because youre always gonna do you when you're young,

927
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 3: it's just like you're looking up to these guys. Now

928
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: guys you're looking up to you.

929
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 2: It was it probably started around six years in because

930
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: that's when because so when I first came in, like

931
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: Tim Brown, Tim Brown's in the locker room, you know

932
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Yeah, Napoleon Kaufman who watched in college

933
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: and then he was with the Raiders. Who else do

934
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: we have? Man, Dude? I just saw him too. Uh,

935
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 2: I think of it a minute, but in a minute,

936
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 2: but Russell Maryland, uh, Pat Swilling, it was it was crazy,

937
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, because because when you're when

938
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: you're young, you don't you don't think you'll catch those

939
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 2: guys because it seems like it seems like as far away.

940
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: And then Jerry Rice came in, like, holy s these

941
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: dudes are in the same locker room, you know. And

942
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 2: so then around six years in then those guys are gone.

943
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: Tim's gone, uh, Jerry's uh, He's gone. Now, so now

944
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: those those older guys are kind of peeling off, and

945
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: so now you're starting to be one of the older guys.

946
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: And so then it kind of becomes oh, man, you know,

947
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: I used to watch you. Then as you get older,

948
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: you get the green Bay. Oh man, yea, I used

949
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: to watch you. And then all of a sudden, your

950
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: grandpa he's like, damn.

951
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: Rookie comes in there, like ya, I used to watch

952
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 3: you in high school. Yeah, yeah, high school really have

953
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 3: been for a while.

954
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: No doubt.

955
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: Who are some of the best leaders you've been around?

956
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: And maybe they weren't the biggest names either, but who

957
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: are some of the best leaders that you've been around.

958
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: Like Tim Brown was a great leader. I thought that

959
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: one of my favorite guys who was who was with

960
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: the Raiders when I first got there was Eric Turner,

961
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: you know who who passed away maybe like my maybe

962
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 2: like second second or third year and NFL Eric Allen.

963
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 2: You know, tremendous guys like I feel like when I

964
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: came in, we had we had like real real veterans

965
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 2: of the game. You know what I'm saying. You know

966
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: guys who you know had been through a lot and

967
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 2: just you know, they they respected the game, you know

968
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: what I mean? Yeah, I have respect for the people

969
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: who came before them, Like I played with those kind

970
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: of guys man, And so I would say, those are

971
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: the guys who you know come off at the top

972
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: off the top of my mind. When I first got in.

973
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: You had you had two boys, right, I got too boys?

974
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

975
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: Two boys? How has it been with them starting to

976
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: play sports? And you kind of like, hey, the expectation

977
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 3: is not to win a Heisman and the Defensive Player

978
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: of the year, first round pick, Like how do you

979
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: temper those expectations when your kids are looking up to

980
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: you as a father. I want to be like you

981
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: in succeed you essentially.

982
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny because I have the conversation with him,

983
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: and it's funny because there's two different responses. So, you know,

984
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: I can tell my my oldest you know, hey man,

985
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, look, you got all the talent in the world.

986
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: You know, you'll be compared. We got the same name,

987
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 2: you know, but you can't worry about that. You know,

988
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 2: you just got to go do your thing. Whatever's gonna

989
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 2: happen is gonna happen. It's like, okay, yeah, that appreciate it.

990
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: I tell my youngest son, hey man, you know, you

991
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 2: don't gotta you don't got to be this or that

992
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: that I'm gonna be in the Hall of Fame with you.

993
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: So I'm like, cool, you know what I'm saying. You

994
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: gotta speak at first, you know what I mean.

995
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: So are you like, hey, you guys have to go

996
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: to Michigan?

997
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: Uh kind of unofficially Yeah.

998
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, if if they're highly recruited.

999
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: Man, well, I you know I do. I do tell

1000
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: those guys. Man, Listen, I want you to be able

1001
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: to make your own decision wherever you you know, when

1002
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: it comes to that point. But there's just one place

1003
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: you can't go you know what I'm saying, Come.

1004
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 3: On, can't go hypothetic? Cool? For whatever reason, your kids

1005
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: are playing they're playing ball. They're getting offers, but they're

1006
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 3: like small D one offers. You're getting some Max, you're

1007
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: getting some some app state type of ones. But there

1008
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 3: was one big team that comes in and happens.

1009
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: To be But here's my question, though, why would you

1010
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 2: ask that question?

1011
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Ohio States are taking a shot.

1012
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, full right.

1013
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we're talking about a in I ling ground.

1014
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: But hey, in I l full right, nobody else is calling.

1015
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: Might have to think about it.

1016
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: That would be so tough walk in the Stadium's so

1017
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: tough for him wearing red.

1018
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna watch from the blimp.

1019
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to watch from home.

1020
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: That's funny. Ask a good question. That'd be hard. Were

1021
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: you in Green Bay with Favan Rogers?

1022
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I first got there. FARV was there?

1023
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: What was that drama? Like, you know, everybody got to

1024
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: see you know, far retires, he comes back. You know

1025
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: they never you know, they wouldn't see eyed eye. There's

1026
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: obviously been a lot of public conversation and and like

1027
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: transparency or subjective opinion around it, like what was it

1028
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 1: like or like being kind of like in that drama

1029
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 1: or around it.

1030
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 2: Well, I think for I think the guys on the

1031
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: defensive side, we didn't really pay attention to it because

1032
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: it's more, you know, he's in the you know, Bretton

1033
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 2: and a Ride, They're in the meetings together all the time.

1034
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: They're always on the offensive side. So we really didn't

1035
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 2: We really didn't get into that portion of it. The

1036
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: most interaction, like for myself with a Ride is a

1037
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 2: Ride was on the practice squad, and so he would

1038
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: always go against our defense. So that was really all

1039
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 2: I really paid attention to. Was that part of it.

1040
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,320
Speaker 2: Now I remember that, you know that was U talks

1041
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: of you know, Brett saying he doesn't really need to help,

1042
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: you know, the guy that they just drafted basically to

1043
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: replace him. But I never really laid eyes on like

1044
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: visible tension between them because I wasn't paying attention to it,

1045
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So, yeah, it wasn't It

1046
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 2: wasn't anything that I really could comment on because I

1047
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 2: was I wasn't in the middle of I didn't care,

1048
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: to be honest, that's fair. I mean, I'm trying to

1049
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: I'm trying to win the super Bowl. And and usually

1050
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: it's a coach.

1051
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, we got a pretty good one over

1052
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: here in twelve and you're just thinking like, yeah, he

1053
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: does a good job practice, but we should be there

1054
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: picking this ball off right now.

1055
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: And and we knew it, man, we knew it right away.

1056
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: Like when when Brett was kind of enter out, you know,

1057
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: coming back or not coming back, and we would play

1058
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: we would play, you know, against a Rod uh in

1059
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: those practices, and it was like, oh, yeah, when when

1060
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:01,879
Speaker 2: Brett Lee's we're gonna we're gonna be We're gonna be.

1061
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: Spoiled quarterback Francis.

1062
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Rogers found found another one that looks.

1063
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, as you transitioned out of football, like how

1064
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 3: difficult was it for you to like did you feel

1065
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: completely fulfilled throughout your NFL career or was there a

1066
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: point when you first left where you're like you're lacking

1067
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 3: fulfillment the competitive nature that first ball, not playing ball,

1068
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 3: Like how did you handle that?

1069
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 2: No? Uh, well, two great things. One, I won a

1070
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 2: super Bowl. So I think had I retired and not

1071
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: won a super Bowl, then I would always think about, man,

1072
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: what if what if you would have, could have should.

1073
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 3: Right now that hurts sitting on this side of the couch.

1074
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 2: Yah changed championship. Yeah so now, yeah, so I got that.

1075
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: And then when I retired, you know, I didn't I

1076
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: really didn't know what what I was gonna do after

1077
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: I retired. But what happened was, you know, you get

1078
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: these these uh these articles that they they write up

1079
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: about current players who are retiring who may be good

1080
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: on television, And so after I retired, I went right

1081
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 2: into television right I started working for ESPN. So I

1082
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: really didn't have time to really like be retired and

1083
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: be scared about that whole transition because I really went

1084
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: right into something. So I would say, I'm very fortunate

1085
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,480
Speaker 2: that that happened because I didn't have to sit around

1086
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 2: like looking back at oh man, I don't have anything

1087
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 2: to do. You know, football is gone, you know, So

1088
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: I was I was blessed to have that happen. And

1089
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: then third, I would say, I played eighteen years, and

1090
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 2: so you know, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, I

1091
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 2: played eighteen years, and so I feel like the the

1092
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: thing for me that I always think about is that

1093
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 2: I remember the morning when I knew I was done

1094
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: playing and it was against Detroit. We're in Detroit, and

1095
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 2: remember looking out the window was snowing and Detroit in

1096
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: the dome, so it don't it don't matter. But I

1097
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: remember looking out and saying, man, if they canceled the

1098
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: game to day, I would be okay. And as soon

1099
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 2: as I said that to myself, I was like, it's over.

1100
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: And so that morning that day, I mentally I retired.

1101
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 2: So I always say that I actually had that was

1102
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 2: like the tenth game of the season. I actually had

1103
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 2: six more games where I was able to play after

1104
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 2: I retired, So I fulfilled myself as a player, and

1105
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: then I got to come out of retirement and play

1106
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 2: again for six more games. So dude, I my journey

1107
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: has been. I wouldn't trade it. You know what I'm saying.

1108
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 2: I wouldn't trade it.

1109
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: So and when you were talking about, hey, I'm gonna rap,

1110
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be done my career, what year was that,

1111
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 3: fifteen twenty fifteen, So that's I mean, imagine walk away

1112
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 3: from the game when you were with the Packers.

1113
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm good. That would have been Yeah, eight years.

1114
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: I would have played eight years and I wouldn't be

1115
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: on busting with the boys. Yeah, bro, yeah, hey, hey,

1116
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 2: you guys will be you'd be like, remember that one

1117
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 2: guy he went in the heis Minute. Remember what was

1118
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 2: his name?

1119
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1120
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah yeah yeah Bro.

1121
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 3: What got you transitioned into being an entrepreneur with the

1122
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 3: wine and the whiskey?

1123
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I got into the wine early. Man. When

1124
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: I was with the Raiders, our training camp was in

1125
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: Naple Valley, and so you know, each year training camp,

1126
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 2: I was out in about you know, great restaurants all

1127
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: over the valley and everyone was drinking wine like all

1128
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: the time, like morning, noon, and night, always drinking wine.

1129
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 2: So I just got really interested in it and created

1130
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 2: my first label in two thousand and five, and then

1131
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: around two thousand and seventeen eighteen, Intercept was born. So

1132
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: that so first, so I was coming out of Naple

1133
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,680
Speaker 2: Valley now it's in Passo Rubbles. And then, uh, I

1134
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 2: kind of always wanted the spirit to be a part

1135
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: of you know, just my experience, and so a few

1136
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: years back I met my partner of mine now and

1137
00:54:13,719 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: uh we started sourcing whiskey out of Kentucky and uh

1138
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: that's where Woodson Whiskey was born. So, man, if I

1139
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: don't go to if I don't go to the Raiders.

1140
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: I'm probably not into wine and probably not into whiskey.

1141
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 2: So it's one of those things where there was an opportunity.

1142
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 2: I don't know why I saw it, but I saw

1143
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: it and then Bam, here we go.

1144
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:38,839
Speaker 3: We'll meant to ask him.

1145
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, oh man, he can he We got you

1146
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: got any cups? We got something you got that you

1147
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 2: gotta have some.

1148
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: You gotta talk about your relationship with the with the

1149
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: Mark Davis.

1150
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, great, great relationship with Mark. Man.

1151
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: Are you Raiders over Michigan.

1152
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a Raider fan, man, I'm not Raiders over.

1153
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: I can't do Raiders over Michigan right right, you know.

1154
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean you're like one of us. You're like, you're

1155
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: obviously an ambassador, but yeah, you're always in You're always

1156
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 1: in the mix.

1157
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: With the with the Silver, always in the mix man.

1158
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, it's just all about you know,

1159
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 2: respect thing. You know, Mark respected the way that I

1160
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: played the game. I think you appreciate it. You know

1161
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: when I came back the second time around and you know,

1162
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: he had taken over and just you know, playing on

1163
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 2: some teams that we didn't have a lot, but just

1164
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 2: watching myself go out there every week, you know, sometimes

1165
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: banged up fingers, messed up ribs and all that. He's like, man,

1166
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,239
Speaker 2: you showed the guys what it was like, you know,

1167
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: to be a Raider. So yeah, that's awesome. Raiders do

1168
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 2: a fantastic jime.

1169
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 1: Mean, I only played a total of like maybe ten

1170
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: twelve games.

1171
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: For the break. I do have a break. I got

1172
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 2: a break.

1173
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: But going off that, I feel like the Raiders do

1174
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: such a fantastic job of like taking care.

1175
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 2: Of bringing back to guys once the raider always a

1176
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: rady Yeah you hear it. Yeah, you would have been

1177
00:55:59,360 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 2: a great raider man.

1178
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there there is some, there are some,

1179
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: there's some.

1180
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely this is my commemorative battle. So this is only

1181
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: uh this this is only sold in the BATA. This

1182
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 2: one right here, only sold in the BATA. So this

1183
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: is a two year straight whiskey coming straight out of uh,

1184
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 2: straight out of Kentucky.

1185
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: Give it something, give it.

1186
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 3: As I pour the glass and I swrolled along, I can.

1187
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 3: I love the texture holding to the side of the

1188
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: glass and slowly dripping back down. It's a really good whiskey.

1189
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 3: As you sip it. I like to put all around

1190
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: the mouth. No pause and take it because what I

1191
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: do you like to do when I find the whiskey,

1192
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 3: which is different is seeing how much it's gonna.

1193
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,719
Speaker 2: Stings as it goes down. Yeah. Yeah, pause.

1194
00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 3: It's got a nice uh sweetness to it sure as

1195
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 3: it goes down my throat. No pause is not harsh.

1196
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,439
Speaker 3: It's not something that I'm gonna go and take down

1197
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 3: and be like, oh that's a little tough. Maybe should

1198
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:13,319
Speaker 3: put something in there to take away that bite sits

1199
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:14,439
Speaker 3: on the tummy just right.

1200
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, you kind.

1201
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 3: Of feel like, oh, I have a warm and sensation

1202
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 3: if it's a cool day outside, I put that in there.

1203
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: I know internally I'm getting the heat I need. Overall,

1204
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 3: four point five.

1205
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: Four point five five, I think I can hope. Would

1206
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: you like me to go?

1207
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: How did you feel about that?

1208
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm close with what you're saying. I feel like I

1209
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: taste and feel a lot of the things that you're

1210
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: talking about. I think it's got a nice sweet heat

1211
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: up front, like not too much of that peppery up front.

1212
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,439
Speaker 1: You're kind of thinking to yourself like is it gonna

1213
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 1: sting as it goes down your throat? It does nestle

1214
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: down your throat very smoothly, and now that I'm in

1215
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: my third or fourth sip, it's got a nice warm,

1216
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: not like a harsh we're kind of messes up your

1217
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 1: chance just sitting on your stomach.

1218
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 2: It's very comfortable on an empty stomach. I don't know

1219
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 2: if you've yeah, yeah, I know what you're just saying.

1220
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And overall, I would give it a four point five.

1221
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're going to take that as a nine

1222
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 2: out of ten.

1223
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 3: So our dumb shick is it's not about it's always

1224
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: going to be four point five, because that thing's ever perfect.

1225
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 3: But it's the description in what you hear that you

1226
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 3: can establish, is that four point five out of five

1227
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: is it out of twenty? So that's for the viewer

1228
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: to decide.

1229
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, Like even a harsh of bad whiskey,

1230
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: it's still good at four point five. But you would

1231
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: explain it in a way of like, and that's not

1232
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: my favorite.

1233
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: I would say five are watering. Not a lot of

1234
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: tastes in that, but it's a good whiskey.

1235
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I like that. Let's a good

1236
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 2: way to put that, though. I like the whole. I

1237
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: like the whole four out of five portion of it.

1238
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 2: You don't know if it's four point five out of

1239
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty to twenty, but it's four point five.

1240
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: But I love your description, and so I had to

1241
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 2: come out here to get this matter of fact not

1242
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: too long ago. And the first thing I thought was

1243
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: there wasn't there's a sweetness in but I couldn't put

1244
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: my finger on it, like like what I what? I what?

1245
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,439
Speaker 2: I what sweetness it was? So later on I'll drink

1246
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 2: it again. Now I'll have something for you because it does.

1247
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:18,840
Speaker 3: My first thought is caramel, Like there's a caramel.

1248
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: Well, you usually you get a little in your your bourbons,

1249
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 2: you know, get a little bit of that caramel, a

1250
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: little bit of that vanilla. But but there's there's there's

1251
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 2: something else, and I just can't because.

1252
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: There's a lot.

1253
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: It'll sting your lips and you never get to get

1254
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 2: the flavor right. So I needed to have and I

1255
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: always want to have something that, man, you can you

1256
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 2: can enjoy. Uh. You know a lot of people want

1257
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,959
Speaker 2: uh you know, barrel strength whiskey, you know, which is great.

1258
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: You got to put your cube in it. That's cool,

1259
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: and we'll do some things like that. As well, But

1260
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: your your every day whiskey. What I want you to

1261
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: enjoy on game day, I want you to be able

1262
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: to enjoy it. I just you know, put the cube

1263
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 2: or I don't need you to do all that.

1264
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: Do you like? Are you more of a fan of

1265
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 1: your whiskey or the one?

1266
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: No? I mean that both my kids I know you love.

1267
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: But what wins more? What wins more?

1268
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 3: Right now? Who's your favorite child at this moment?

1269
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: You're not.

1270
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 3: You're gonna say I love them both the same, but

1271
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 3: you're going to think of one name first. Yeah, I'll

1272
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 3: tell you right.

1273
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: I don't do that. I don't do the thing.

1274
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: I love.

1275
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 2: I love both my babies the same, boys more than

1276
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: others at certain times. Well, what I would say, though,

1277
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: what I would say with the with the whiskey, is

1278
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 2: that it's more interactive. That makes sense because there's a

1279
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: lot of things you can do with it, you know.

1280
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 2: So if I was going to have a party or

1281
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 2: get together or something, and we wanted to make a

1282
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: bunch of different things out of that whiskey, old man,

1283
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 2: we got we got. We got a whole range of

1284
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: things that we can do, we can express on our

1285
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 2: teams Manhattan's old fashioned paper planes. We can do all

1286
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: these different things. We could make something with the wine

1287
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 2: as well. We do. We do a little. It's called

1288
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 2: a one of the restaurants I go that have both

1289
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 2: of my products, it's called the Intercept Sour So it

1290
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: has their housemade sour mix my red blend which is

1291
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Speaker 2: not there, and my whiskey and they mix it in

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Speaker 2: this nice little I.

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Speaker 1: Feel like, you know what I'm saying, do you have

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Speaker 1: a cigar? Notyt I was gonna say, I feel like

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01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: you got the whiskey, like, I feel like you got

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01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: you got the nice the age beard. That's really well done.

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01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: I feel like you're a cigar guy. Did you like

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01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 1: that when the Raiders will pull that out after the victory? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Talk about talk about Ap getting the getting the head

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01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: coaching job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Mark had to do it.

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01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 2: Man had to do it. It was a ground swell

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01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 2: of support for for Ap and just the way he

1304
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 2: came in Man and and the way that the team

1305
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 2: just really responded to him. I thought they had to

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01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: do it. So I'm excited for him. And I was

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01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: able to go and talk to him before they went

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01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: and played Indianapolis and I told the guys, I said, hey, man,

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01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 2: I can't wait until I get the chance to come

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01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,360
Speaker 2: in the locker room and hang out at Club Braider

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01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: with you guys. And so last game of the season

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01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: against Denver, I got a chance to get in the

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Speaker 2: Club Braider. After the game, Max crowsby running around, Yeah,

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01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 2: hands me the cigar. And that was a moment, man,

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01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 2: that was a real moment. And so I love it.

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01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 2: I think Ap is gonna, he's gonna, you know, do

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01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 2: a great job. I think he's gonna, you know, hopefully.

1318
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 2: You know, he's a great talent evaluator along with the

1319
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: new GM man and they get guys in here that

1320
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 2: love the game of football and who want to be Raiders,

1321
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 2: and so if he can accomplish that, yeah, we'll be right.

1322
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: We'll be right.

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Speaker 3: And we appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 2: This has been incredible. Man.

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Speaker 3: There was one quick story I do want to tell.

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01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 3: It was after my rookie year and I was in town.

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Speaker 3: We were doing a charity event. I believe it was

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Speaker 3: Yours and Hushingson's security event, and I went to my

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01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 3: old house because obviously a couple of guys were there

1330
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: that I used to live at I was damn near

1331
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 3: blackout drunk, and I was on some extracurriculars as well.

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Speaker 2: You come along way from that baby swimming pool, no question.

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01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 3: A car, dude, A car pulls up and Charles Woodson walks.

1334
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: A little you know the little pools that you fill

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01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: up for like two year olds. Ye, this guy.

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01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 3: Sitting in it, and we're you know, the you've seen

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01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 3: the house I lived on. It was like right on

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01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 3: that main street called State Street, not far from not

1339
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 3: far from drunk, now far from Templar. He pulls up

1340
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Speaker 3: because I'm supposed to be that charity events and I

1341
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 3: ended up going blackout. It was a terrible experience for

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Speaker 3: everybody else but me. But he pulls up and all

1343
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 3: my boys are there, and you came up at me up.

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 3: We talked for a second and I got back in

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Speaker 3: that tub.

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01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: After you left.

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Speaker 3: I felt like the fucking man. I was like, you know,

1348
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 3: he just pulled up just to say what's up and.

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Speaker 2: Left right right right, randomly riding down the street. Taylor,

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Speaker 2: why in a baby swimming pool? It was I gotta

1351
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 2: see what's going on over it was.

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Speaker 3: That was an interesting time of my life. Will Will

1353
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: has heard some stories about me and Michigan and the couple.

1354
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 2: First different all of you offensive linemen. Man, you guys

1355
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: are crazy. Nuts, you guys are crazy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely calmed down quite a bit, thank god,

1357
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 3: because I would have right now, i'de.

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Speaker 2: This is what I tell people before you in is

1359
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 2: you You. You're a different person now, you do things differently.

1360
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: And so we all came into the NFL, you played

1361
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: you know how many other years and you do a

1362
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 2: lot of dumb ship. And so what I tell young

1363
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Speaker 2: guys is like, I hope you make it to the

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Speaker 2: other side. You know what I'm saying, Because a lot

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01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 2: of people in those first couple of years they get

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Speaker 2: into some ship they never recover. But if you can

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Speaker 2: play long enough, man, and kind of just keep yourself

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01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: somewhat clean and and keep yourself fitting ready to play,

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01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 2: and you can get to the other side. Man, it's

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Speaker 2: so much, so much better, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: But you but you don't know unless you get over it.

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Speaker 2: I'm happy you made it to the other side.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate that, man. Yeah, it's a it's a cool transition.

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01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 3: It would be an incredible regret to not make that transition.

1375
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 3: And then be sitting, you know, out of the league

1376
01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 3: and knowing like, man, what could I have actually done

1377
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 3: if I wouldn't have just got out of my own way,

1378
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 3: And so it was it's really cool, but that moment

1379
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 3: was awesome. Man, that was a very cool moment. This

1380
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Speaker 3: ultimate Please subscribe.

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Speaker 1: Hey Dad, Charles Woodson, Charles Woodson, Man appreciate you.

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01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, go Blue, Go Blue.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we got you this too,