1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, her is normal. Not since 2 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Saturday has anyone seen mother of three and teacher Janine Camarada. 3 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: Police say the thirty seven year old dropped her boyfriend 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: off at his McVeigh Avenue apartment that night. He reported 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: her missing Tuesday. We spoke to her long time friend, 6 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: Jessica Pobega over the phone. She says she messaged Camarada 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: on Facebook, but she's convinced it wasn't her, responding, I 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: was like, call me right now, you need to call 9 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: me or I need to hear your voice. I don't 10 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: believe you. I don't believe it's you. And then I 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: even asked when last am I story you and the 12 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: person couldn't respond to it. They didn't answer. They just 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: kept saying I'm okay, I'll call you so but no 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: phone call, police say. Camarada's roommate received a text message 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: from Camarada's phone on Monday saying she's okay, but also 16 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: does not believe it's her. We spoke to her landlord 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: about this. She told me that the way it was worded, 18 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: it was not Janine because she would have known right away, 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: you know the way they speak. Landlord and friend Jose Perez, 20 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: says he hasn't seen her white Chevy Crews parked outside 21 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: her Cassidy Police apartment in days. The NYPD tweeted this 22 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: picture of what it looks like license plate number h 23 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: SK eight four one. Seven officers were outside the home 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: this morning. She works two jobs to support her family. 25 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: She's always trying to provide for her kids. You know 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: she's a hard worker, but a no show at her 27 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: two jobs since last week. She teaches at PS twenty 28 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: nine on Victory Boulevard and the Staten Island Dollar Tree. 29 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: Her sister says she also didn't show up to court 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: in the midst of a fight for the custody of 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: her kids, who are with her ex husband. She was 32 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:52,279 Speaker 1: supposed to have an appearance Monday, and she never showed. 33 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: Police spoke to Camarada's boyfriend and they say he's not 34 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: considered a suspect at this time. They're also questioning her 35 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: ex husband as part of the investigation. Now police plan 36 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: to use sell signals to try to pinpoint all her 37 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: locations and get to the bottom of this. I Mancy Grace, 38 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: this is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. 39 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: You are hearing our friend at CBS two, Jenna D'Angelis 40 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: reporting about the sudden disappearance of a school teacher mom 41 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: of three who has seemingly vanished. I saw her photo 42 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: early early this morning, and it really really spoke to me. 43 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: It's a photo of Janine Camrada. She's just thirty seven 44 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: years old, and she is with her children. I immediately 45 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: started searching for her online. I found a photo of 46 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: her with the biggest smile, surrounded by all of her students. 47 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: And let me tell you, this is a tiny lady. 48 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: She's about four to eleven. She weighs about one hundred 49 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: and twenty pounds, I would guess, and the students, her students, 50 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: are some of them bigger than her. But she's got 51 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: the biggest smile. Where is Janine. I'm being joined right 52 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: now by two very special guests. But first Ashley Wilcot, 53 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: judge lawyer Ashley Wilcott, dot com doctor Carol Lieberman, forensic psychiatrist, 54 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, renowned detective Ellen Color and Crime Online dot 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: com investigative reporter. Joining me right now is a friend 56 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: of Janine's, aj Carbinera, and her lawyer, a very well 57 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: known lawyer in the tri State area. It is Eric Gansberg. Eric, 58 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: what can you tell me about Janine's disappearance? Extremely troubling, 59 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: quite surprising based upon my knowledge of Janine, And I'm 60 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: terribly worried for her, her family, and especially her children. Well, 61 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm just sick, Eric. I have two children, and I 62 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: can't imagine that this mom who's fighting so hard for 63 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: custody would just bug out in labor three children. I'm 64 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: not buying it, Eric, I don't believe it either. I 65 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: had the husband had been served with the papers for 66 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: the divorce and for custody. On Thursday morning, the twenty eighth, 67 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: I confirmed the court appearance with Janine. We spoke on Friday. 68 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: She had made arrangements with the school to take off 69 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: that day. I appeared in court. Her husband was there, 70 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: She did not appear. We left the number of voicemails 71 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: that went directly to her voicemail. We emailed her, and 72 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: there was never a response because she was not in court, 73 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: and because the husband had asked the time to hire 74 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: a divorce lawyer. The case had been adjourned later that day. 75 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: I guarded learning of the particular circumstances. Well, another thing 76 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: that speaks to me and I'm gonna go to Janine's friend, 77 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: AJ Carbonara, and they are friends through another another woman, AJ. 78 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: Are you friends with Janine through your girlfriend or wife. Yes, 79 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: it's my wife, Jessica. They've been friends for twenty five years. 80 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: Oh my stars, Oh my stars. Oh oh no, it 81 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: is Jessica, the person that received the text or the 82 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: phone call. Yes, that is correct, she received those messages. 83 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 1: I mean she knew immediately that was not Janine. Tell 84 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: me what happened, because what it says to me as 85 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: a veteran prosecutor, AJ Carbonera, is that not only does 86 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: somebody have Janine or took Janine, that they are going 87 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: to great effort to cover their tracks. And I'll follow 88 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: that through Stephen Lampley, renowned detective. That means it's not random. 89 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: Her disappearance is not random unless this really was her 90 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: on the phone. Steve Lampley. A random kidnapper doesn't go 91 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: to all the trouble to cover the person up. They kidnap, 92 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: they rate, they kill, they kidnap, they rob, or and 93 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: then that that's that. But they don't go to all 94 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: the Let's call her best friend and pretend i'm her business. 95 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 1: Steve Lampley, agree or disagree. I agree with that, Nancy, 96 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: And from the very beginning of this case and when 97 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: I learned about it, you and I both know that 98 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: when in a situation like this is hardly ever end well. Well, 99 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm holding out hope. Back to AJ Carbonara, AJ, tell 100 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: me what you can about that mysterious phone call. In 101 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: those texts guys with me longtime friend A J. Carbinera 102 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: his wife Jessica received mysterious text and a phone call. 103 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: She says, it's not Janine and also with me a 104 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: special guest veteran trial lawyer at Gansberg in the Tri 105 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: State area. AJ tell me about the phone call on 106 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: the text, Yeah, the text messages came over and because 107 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: of the history with Janine's ex husband, they don't ever 108 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: talk via text message on Facebook Messenger, only through actual 109 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: phone calls and actual text messages on the phone because 110 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: her her accounts used to get hacked and her ex 111 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: would would pretend to be her looking for information or whatnot. 112 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: So when Jessica, you know, was suspicious about the calls 113 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: and the text to begin with, she knew, she basically 114 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: knew immediately that it wasn't her. And that's why if 115 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: you read the messages, you see how quickly it escalated 116 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: from you know, you need to call me to I'm 117 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: calling the police. You know, it really didn't take much 118 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: time at all. It was only a matter of an hour. Well, 119 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: what was said in the text message that aroused her curiosity, 120 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: that made her sus just the fact that it existed 121 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: in the first place. Like I said, you know, Janine 122 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: would does not talk to her via Facebook messenger ever 123 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: because of the past, you know, so the fact that 124 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: they that they were coming through. And then when jess asked, 125 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: you know, can you please call me it's it's very important, 126 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: or you know, whatever it was, whatever it was that 127 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: she actually said, and then when she didn't, Janine would 128 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: never do that. You know, they know each other better 129 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: than anybody. And if Jessica would have asked, you know, 130 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: to call in an emergency, Janine would have never hesitated. 131 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: She has never been a flighty person at all, you know, 132 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: and she would never do this. Her best friend, Jessica, 133 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: gets a text seemingly from missing mom of three who's 134 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: holding down two jobs. Hard for me to imagine. You 135 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: work all day at PS Public School one twenty nine, 136 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: then you go to your job at Dollar Tree. You 137 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: never let you always show up, but you don't show 138 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: up for a court appearance. That okay? So Janine is 139 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: seemingly texting best friend Jessica, and Jessica gets a text 140 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: that says, don't call police, quote I have to do 141 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: this for the children. Something is wrong. Please help us 142 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: find Janine. Seven one eight eight seven six eighty five 143 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: hundred seven one eight eight seven six eighty five hundred 144 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace her disappear normal. Not since 145 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: Saturday has anyone seen mother of three and teacher Janine Camerada. 146 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: Police say the thirty seven year old dropped her boyfriend 147 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: off at his McVeigh Avenue apartment that night. He reported 148 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: her missing Tuesday. We spoke to her long time friend 149 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: Jessica Pobega over the phone. She says she messaged Camarada 150 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: on facebo book, but she's convinced it wasn't her responding, 151 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: I was like, call me right now, you need to 152 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: call me or I need to hear your voice. I 153 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,319 Speaker 1: don't believe you. I don't believe that you and then 154 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: I even asked her when last time I saw you, 155 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: and the person couldn't respond to it. They didn't answer. 156 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: They just kept saying I'm okay, I'll call you soon. 157 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: But you are hearing the voice of her best friend, 158 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: Jessica Carbinera with me her lawyer, Eric Gainsberg. Eric, you 159 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: have stated before that she was quote terrified of her husband. 160 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: Why do you say that? Well, from the information she 161 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: provided to me over the time that from time I 162 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: first met her till the time she formally retained me. 163 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: She had left the house that they were sharing back 164 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seventeen due to the domestic violence. 165 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: She did not then have a terrible residence I wish 166 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: to stay so because the children lived close by her 167 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: on Staten Island, and because they were in the home 168 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: that they had grown up and she for that moment 169 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: felt okay leaving the children there, but she was able 170 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: to see them. Apparently, the husband was evicted from that 171 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: residence in July or August of two and eighteen, and 172 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: that's when he relocated to I think as far as 173 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: Hills Queens, no far rockaway, excuse me. And that's when 174 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: she came back to see me and said, we have 175 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: to get things moving. Guys. We are getting breaking news 176 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: right now. A body has been found at a storage 177 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: facility on Staten Island. Is it the teacher, mother of 178 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: three who has been missing. We are getting information from 179 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: within the investigation from senior law enforcement. The circumstances surrounding 180 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: the discovery of a body at a story unit are 181 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: not clear, but at this moment there is a huge 182 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: law enforcement presence is a huge storage center. We are 183 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: learning that cops are working now to determine if this 184 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: is the body of thirty seven year old Janine Camarado. 185 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: She has not been seen since Saturday night at her 186 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: home in New Springville. Eric Gagsberg with me, her lawyer 187 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: and longtime friend, Aj Carbonara, his wife Jessica, best friends 188 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: with Janine. Aj. What can you tell us if anything 189 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: about a storage unit? Did the husband have a storage unit? 190 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: To your knowledge? I don't know, but it coincides with 191 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: the information that we do know about the last time 192 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: her vehicle was seen coming in and out of Staten Island. 193 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: What do you mean by that? What do you know 194 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: about her vehicle? A few days ago, my wife and 195 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: I we went looking for her car because it was 196 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: a piece of the puzzle that was missing, and we 197 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: came across two Task Force Police officers who told us 198 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: they were also looking for the vehicle, and they showed 199 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: us the a arizontal bridge pictures of when her vehicle 200 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: crossed over from Brooklyn to Staten Island last and it 201 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: also shows that Michael's minivan did the same thing not 202 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: not long after hers. So it just looked it looked 203 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: very suspicious to us because he really has no reason 204 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: to be in Staten Island other than to drop off 205 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: his daughter who still goes to school there. But this 206 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: was on a Sunday. I got a question for you, 207 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: Aj CARBINERA. The Staten Island photo of the bridge just 208 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: like a traffic cam. Who was driving the car? Could 209 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: you make it out? The cameras I don't think are 210 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: designed to steve who's really driving. It's recently the Verzonal 211 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: Bridge has become a totalist bridge. So now they just 212 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: take photographs of all the license plates and if you 213 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: have easy pass, they build your account. If you don't, 214 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: they send you a ticket in the mails for the bill. 215 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: So I think it's mostly aimed at the license plates. 216 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: They showed us pictures. I couldn't see anybody who was driving. 217 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: Let me ask you a quick yes no question. Aj 218 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: CARBINERA wife best friend, Janine. I know that you got 219 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: she got the unusual text, but I understand there was 220 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: an unusual phone call as well. Was there a woman 221 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: on the other end of the line that I am 222 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: not a show? I'm not sure of that. That doesn't 223 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: ring a bell too. Ashley Wilcot judge, lawyer anchor. You 224 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: can find her at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Say to me, 225 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: the plot thickens because who who is part of this? 226 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: Was a woman on the line repeatedly saying I'm okay, 227 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: I'm okay, but then wouldn't answer any questions who was 228 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: driving her vehicle and who was driving his vehicle? Let 229 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: me hold on, aj if when you see and on 230 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: the Verrizono Bridge her vehicle, which I believe is a 231 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: what a white Chevy? How much longer after the white 232 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: Chevy crosses the Verizono Bridge, do you see he has 233 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: the husband's vehicle. Well, it was on two different occasions. 234 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: It was early in the afternoon, around like four o'clock ish, 235 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: that's when her car first came in. Maybe around five 236 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: or five thirty the van came in. They both went 237 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: back to Brooklyn later on, and they both came back 238 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: to Staten Island once again around between nine and eleven. 239 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 1: Right now, we do not know if the body found 240 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: in the storage unit has anything to do with Janine 241 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: Camarade's disappearance. Asked you, Wilcott, what do you make of it? 242 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: Because I know there has been domestic abuse allegations in 243 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: the past. Now she goes missing, he shows up to 244 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: court to fight for custody, and she's in no show, 245 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: totally unlike her. I mean, Ashley, come on, we both 246 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: shop at the Dollar Tree. We both have been in 247 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: school teaching before subbing. Long story short. A woman that's 248 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: holding down two jobs, never late, never misses, She's got 249 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: to miss a court date. Ashley. Yeah, Unfortunately, it's not 250 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: good because all of the signs, all of the red 251 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: flags are she would not go away voluntarily and leave 252 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: her children the custody battle her friends. Thank goodness. Her 253 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: best friend trusted her gut and said, wait a minute, 254 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 1: this text is not from her. I don't believe it. 255 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: Number one, number two, Thank goodness. Everybody's been involved reporting 256 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: because somebody knows something. The missing vehicle is a huge 257 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: piece of this. Somebody knows something. I'm prayerful. I hate 258 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: that this has happened. I hate it for her children, 259 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: but regrettably I don't see it ending well. To doctor 260 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 1: Carol Laborman, forensic psychiatrist, let me ask you a very 261 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: narrow question, doctor Laborman, what do you tell the children 262 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: when nobody knows where mommy is. Yes, that's a tough question. Um. 263 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: We know obviously, first of all, the children have gone 264 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: through so much before this, so much tumult because of 265 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: all the domestic violence and the separations and all of that. 266 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: So they are starting off with a very fragile kind 267 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: of psychological state. You just have to tell them until 268 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: you know that she is dead and that that that's 269 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: her body. For example, you have to tell them that 270 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: we're looking for mommy, that mommy loves you. We know 271 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: she wouldn't leave you, you know, want to leave you, 272 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: and we're still looking for you. Keep up some hope 273 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: until you know for sure that she really is dead. 274 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: Here is our friend, Kenneth McCallan at WAC Listen investigators 275 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: have spent more than twenty four hours questioning Janine Camarade 276 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: is estranged husband here at the one two oh precinct. 277 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: He's charged with assault for now for admitting to hitting Janine. 278 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: In the past, detectives have been at Michael camarade as 279 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: far rockaway home, and we're getting a timeline of the 280 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: days leading up to Janine's disappearance. Thursday, Janine's attorney says 281 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,679 Speaker 1: Michael was served with divorce papers Friday, Michael invited Janine 282 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: over to see their children, and Janine was last seen 283 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: Saturday on Staten Island, saying that she was going to 284 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: see the kids at her estranged husband's home. Janine hasn't 285 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: been seen in four days, and her attorney is concerned. 286 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: I've been doing this almost thirty five years. Nothing surprises 287 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: me anymore. Unfortunately, this does not sound like it's going 288 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: to end well. Police have not publicly connected Michael to 289 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: his estranged wife's disappearance. Welcome back to search for a 290 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: missing teacher and mother of three. Janine Camarada is on 291 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: and with me a renowned attorney in the Tristate area, 292 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: Eric Gasberg, who is representing Janine Camerata. Eric, I would 293 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: I want to know what your response is to the 294 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: fact that right now we are hearing reports about a 295 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: body in a storage unit. Do you know of any 296 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: connection between that unit and Janine? And what do you 297 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: make of it only from what I heard from news sources, 298 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: so I have no personal knowledge of any of fact. 299 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: If it is true, it's devastating father and because of 300 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: the circumstances, seem to now be losing their father. Of 301 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: course of action that he may have committed, the devastating 302 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: effect on the family, the friends, and especially the children. 303 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: It's heart directed with me her lawyer, Eric Gainsberg, who 304 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 1: was steering her, navigating her through a divorce and trying 305 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: to get custody offered children. Eric, thank you for being 306 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: with us. Right now. We are hearing live information that 307 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: I'm looking at a live aerial view coming from ABC 308 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: seven right now as tons of police are now swarming 309 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: a storage unit. This is a new Springville a body 310 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: found early early today. Is it Janine Camerada. I'm going 311 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: now to Ellen klaurin Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Allen. 312 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm also learning about other surveillance video hold on Ellen. 313 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: Aj Carbonaro wants in and he is really the source 314 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: of our knowledge right now. Aj Carbonara, what can you 315 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: tell me you're learning from Jessica? Just the latest is 316 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: that the police, it was confirmed from the police department, 317 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: but they're still going to run tests that they do 318 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: think that it is her. You know that nothing has 319 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: been printed officially. Why Aj, Why what had Janane been 320 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: going through trying to get a divorce, trying to get custody? 321 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: She was she was so excited for it. I mean, 322 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: it's been a long time coming, you know, the lawyers 323 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: and her where we're trying to serve him for I'm 324 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: not sure how long, but it was for a while, 325 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: and when it finally happened this past week, I think 326 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: it was Wednesday, he was finally served. She she was 327 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: just so excited. She called Jessica immediately, you know, and 328 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: then a few days later she disappears. You know, so 329 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: we kind of we kind of knew, you know when 330 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,400 Speaker 1: you say you kind of knew, you know, Aj Carbonara, 331 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: there have been so many times in court when I've 332 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: had homicides or kidnaps or missing people, you know, you know, 333 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: and that's not anything you can put on in a 334 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: court of law. You can't go take the standing go. 335 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: I just knew I would bring on witnesses or try 336 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: to anyway, but I'd have a hearsay problem. Say. The 337 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: last thing she said is if anything happens to me, 338 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: X did it? Or I want to give you a 339 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: spare key to my place in case there's an emergency. 340 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean, words like that can't come into court because 341 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: they're hearsay, and you can't go in front of a 342 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: jury and say, I know this is what happened. Tell me, 343 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 1: why articulate to me as best as you can. Why 344 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: you and Jessica believe you know what happened. It's just 345 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: the history. We've been, you know, close with them for 346 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: a long time, and Mike has always been on my 347 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: radar as an abusive person, although I had never actually 348 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 1: seen it in person, but just the stories that we've 349 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: been told, and we just there was no other suspect 350 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: in our mind. It's amazing to me that he if 351 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: you're right, If you're right, we don't have an arrest 352 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: on this, we don't have a charge, we have nothing. 353 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: Innocent until proven guilty. Okay, we all know that, but 354 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: it's amazing to me that he would show up in court, 355 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, well groomed, dressed with his lawyer blah blah, 356 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: and she's not there. She would never not show up 357 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: to court to get her children. That's all she wanted. 358 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 1: She's working two jobs to afford a lawyer to fight 359 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: and get her kids. That's what she lived for. I mean, 360 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: there's and as he stood in that courtroom, if this 361 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: had happened prior to that Monday, he had already known 362 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 1: she wasn't going to show up? Did you? And she 363 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: takes a special kind of evil. Man, You're not kidding, 364 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: You're not kidding, AJ CARBINERI question. I'm also learning that 365 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: other surveillance video obtained by police show the husband with 366 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: a large bag leaving his Rockaway apartment shortly after Janine, 367 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: then later showing up at the storage facility on Arden Avenue. 368 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: Did Was she afraid of him? Was she afraid he 369 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: would harm her? Aj? She always was? There was There 370 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: was times when she called us from her phone, but 371 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: the phone she didn't answer. She just left the line 372 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: open for us to listen, and I would just hear 373 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 1: him fighting and arguing with her. And at one point 374 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: it got to it got so bad that Jessica and I, 375 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: we live in New Jersey, we jumped in the car 376 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: and actually just drove over there because we were afraid 377 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: that something was going to happen. So nothing did that night. 378 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: But this is this is the kind of stuff that 379 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: we've dealt with over the last you know, sevent eight years. 380 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: When you were listening to him ranting and raving, why 381 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: was he angry? What was he arguing about? Just their relationships, 382 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: the fact that she wasn't happy all the time. And 383 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, I think that was pretty much the very 384 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: beginning of when the divorce was being put in motion, 385 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, or the separation I should say, was being 386 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: put in motion, and you know, he just didn't want 387 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: to accept it, obviously. And here's another thing. If you're 388 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: in a relationship, since nobody asked me, Ashley Willcott, and 389 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: you have to hack into your partner's email to find 390 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: out what's going on, or you have a partner hacking 391 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: in right there, you need to get out of that 392 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: one time, one time, Ashley. Once in all the years 393 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: I've known David Lynch, I read his email. I didn't 394 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: hack because I knew the code so obvious, and I read. 395 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: My head nearly blew off. It was so boring, it 396 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: was awful. I thought I was just my eyes were bleeding. 397 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: I had to quit. So that was, you know, that 398 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: was years ago. I haven't even considered hacking into his email. 399 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: I don't want to read his email. I'm perfectly I 400 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: hope these words don't come back to bite me in 401 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: the neck, But I'm perfectly convinced. I don't need to 402 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: read his email, and he has all my codes. I 403 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: want him to read my email and see how busy 404 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: I am and beg for help. So, you know, the 405 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: fact that she knows he's hacking in and she won't 406 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: even you know, send regular emails and texts to her 407 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: friend Jessica, that is very, very probative. It proves something 408 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 1: to me, oh absolutely. And the thing that's so tragic 409 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: and domestic violence cases that have horrible, tragic endings that 410 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: I hope this one doesn't, but sounds like it's gone 411 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: that direction. She was doing the right thing to get 412 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: out of it. She recognized that as the red flag. 413 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 1: She finally says, I'm going to do the right thing. 414 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna file for divorce, I'm gonna fight for custody 415 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: of my children. I'm going to a lawyer, I'm retaining 416 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: the lawyer. All of the right steps, and yet she 417 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: disappears Elic Laura, what about their relationship as AJ told us, 418 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: The fact that she wouldn't even use Facebook, Messenger or 419 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 1: any other platform besides her phone to communicate with her 420 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: friends because she was so fearful that her stranged husband 421 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: would hack into them. Tells us a lot, and so 422 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: does the text messes exchanges between this person purporting to 423 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: be Janine and her friend. Her friend is saying to her, 424 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: I need to hear from you. I need you to 425 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call me. And she's trying 426 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: to call her friend and she's not picking up the phone. 427 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: She's sending one sentence replies I'm okay, I'm okay. I 428 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: need to turn my phone off. That is very, very suspicious, 429 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 1: and as we know, Janine's friend Jessica knew right away 430 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: that something was very wrong because it's the history Clime 431 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace breaking news. At this moment, we 432 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: are learning police are swarming I'm watching a live feed 433 00:27:55,480 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: of it right now a new Springfield storage facility. A 434 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: body has been found there. If you have any information 435 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: regarding the whereabouts of a missing mom of three, Janine Camerada, 436 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: please dial seven eight eight seven six eighty five hundred 437 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: or one eight hundred and five to seven seven tips 438 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. You can see her photo 439 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: and all information and we are Facebook, tweeting and iging 440 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: all the information. Please look at her photo. To John Linley, 441 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, joining me right now, 442 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: what have you learned? John? You've been investigating the search 443 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: at the storage unit. What do you know? Right? A 444 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: lot of activity taking place there around that storage facility 445 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: that you've been talking about. We're just receiving word that, yes, 446 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: a body believed to be that of Janine has been 447 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: found at this Staten Island storage facility. Police were tipped 448 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: off about this storage facility thanks to the surveilent video 449 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: police acquired this video. It showed her a strange husband, Michael, 450 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: with a large bag, leaving his Rockaways apartment, then showing 451 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: up later at this storage facility on Arden Avenue. Again, 452 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: cops have recovered a body at this storage facility. We 453 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: must say that it has not been confirmed to be 454 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: that of Janine Camorada. Two police cars, city medical Examiner's 455 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: vehicle among the many emergency vehicles. They're still parked outside 456 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: the storage facility. Detectives still processing the scene. Now. One update, 457 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: if you can call it that, that we've been able 458 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: to receive from investigators is that they're still puzzled about 459 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: what to make about this series of cryptic messages sent 460 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: from Janine's phone in the hours after she vanished. Cops 461 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: are still trying to ascertain the meaning of the text 462 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: and whether Janine or someone else sent the bizarre missive 463 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: to her worried friend. I'm going to circle back on 464 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: the text. But one of them says when Jessica writes 465 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to call police, the cryptic text says, I 466 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: don't want that. I have the kids. I apologize. I 467 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: have to do this for the children. Jessica saying that's 468 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,120 Speaker 1: not how she would talk, not how she would talk 469 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: at all. This series of cryptic messages joining me right now, 470 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: aj Carbonera, longtime friend of Janine's, his wife Jessica has 471 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: been her best friend for twenty five years. Right now, 472 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: those text messages maybe some of the strongest evidence police 473 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: have a j again, what was in the messages that 474 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: aroused your wife's suspicion? Now, just the fact that she 475 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: would would not have used a Facebook messenger. And the 476 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: other thing is is that we were calling her cell 477 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: phone and it was going directly to voicemail, which told 478 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: us that it was either offer battery was dead or whatever. 479 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: But it was not working yet, we were still receiving 480 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: messages from Facebook Messenger, which again is so out of 481 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: the ordinary for Janine that you know, it was just 482 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: it was an immediate red flag. That's exactly what her 483 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: landlord tells us. Jose Perez says that she would always 484 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: text him where she's at or what's happening, but he 485 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: has not heard from her. Now we know she and 486 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: the husband have had a very let me just say, 487 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: to multuous relationship and they were going through a divorce 488 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: in ongoing child custody. What do you make of, claims 489 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 1: aj Carbonera. Do you know anything about this? Him harassing her, 490 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: following her in her car? And I understand that she 491 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: had a boyfriend, and if that's true, that probably that 492 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: could have been the last straw that broke the camel's back. Yes, 493 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: but she's had another boyfriend. Before we thought we were 494 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: over this. He had been stalking her for quite a while. 495 00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: I mean this was going back I want to say 496 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: maybe three years. Uh, and she she fell in love 497 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: with someone and was dating someone for about a year 498 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: and a half and he actually passed away sadly. Um 499 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: from I think it was a diabetes related illness, and 500 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: that just crushed her. And then she met Aaron, her 501 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 1: current boyfriend, at the Dollar Tree. And you know, but Mike, 502 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: Mike was out of the picture by then for quite 503 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: a long time. So the fact that this all happened 504 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: again is just so sudden. You know, Oh, we don't know, 505 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: we don't know what this woman has been through. To 506 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: doctor Carol Laberman, when you have an X following you 507 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: around in your car, hacking into your emails, it doesn't 508 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: get better. After working at the Battered Women's Center in 509 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: Atlanta for nine years as a volunteer, I have told 510 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: so many women it doesn't get better until you break 511 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: the side whole. You have to leave, You've got to 512 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 1: start fresh. That's when it's going to get better for you. 513 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: You have to. And you know what, your children growing 514 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: up seeing this, because they'll do the same thing unwittingly 515 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: when they seek out a partner, Carol. Yes, they repeat this, 516 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: and they have difficulty use forming close relationships because they 517 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: seem dangerous. But you know what's so important about this 518 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: is as a warning to women, battered women, is that 519 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: this is the most dangerous time when a woman finally 520 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: decides to leave. Of course, you know they should when 521 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: it's gotten to this point and even before, but this 522 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: is the most dangerous time when you finally leave, even 523 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 1: if they've been estranged for a while. The man who's 524 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: a batterer does not want to be abandoned by the woman, 525 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: and this, this final abandonment, as he feels it, brings 526 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: out the violence in him. And it's so you have 527 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 1: to be so super careful during this time that you 528 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: are separating, making the final cut exactly, that's what brings 529 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: out their extreme anger. Take listen to our friends at 530 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: ABC seven Weekend. I would reporter Kennis McCallan live on 531 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: Staten Nino with Tennis Caboard. Yeah King, Good morning. Janine 532 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: Camarada has been missing since Saturday and she now has 533 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: family coming into town today to help. As they searched 534 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: for her, her friends really became concerned where she didn't 535 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: show up to work here at PS twenty nine, where 536 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: she works as a substitute teacher for the past two days. 537 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: A friends saying that it is really unlike her. This 538 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: is the thirty seven year old mother of three. She 539 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,799 Speaker 1: was lasting leaving her boyfriend's home Saturday night. She told 540 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: him she was going to Queen's to see her children 541 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: on her strange husband's home, and this week she didn't 542 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: show up for work at both of her jobs at 543 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: the school or at a dollar tree, and her friends say, 544 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: what is magnifying their concern or strange texts from someone 545 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 1: they say is claiming to be Janine. When the friend 546 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: threatened to call the cops after they hadn't seen Janine, 547 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: the reply from Janine's phone was that she didn't want that, 548 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: going on to say, I have to do this for 549 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 1: the children, but the children were No, she didn't see 550 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: the children this week then, so I don't know never 551 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: might who that was and what they were covering for 552 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: something that happened, And I don't know what it is, 553 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: and I really hope the wrong you were hearing the 554 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: voice of her dear friend, Jessica. Jessica's husband aj Carbinero 555 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: with us, where are the children? A j who has 556 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: them right now? Yes? The children actually I believe with 557 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: Child Protective Services at the moment. Oh no, oh no. 558 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: Her sister flew up from Louisiana this past Who did 559 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot juvenile judge? The children are just lost in 560 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: the sauce by of course, no intent of Janine Camarada. 561 00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: I just can't get that picture of her out of 562 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,880 Speaker 1: my mind that's online of her with Oliver Stevens and 563 00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: this big plan about creative writing she had created way 564 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 1: in Ashley. So here's what's hard about. The child welfare 565 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: system really is one of the best in the world. However, 566 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: when you have two parents absent and there's no one 567 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: else right in the immediate geographical area who can take 568 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: the children, typically child welfare has to take the children. 569 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: The problem is it's not so easy that then a 570 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: relative comes in from out of town and they get 571 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: the children right then. Instead, typically there has to be 572 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: a home evaluation. They have to consider the home. If 573 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: it's out of state, it has to go through what's 574 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: called ICPC, which can take time. So now these children 575 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: are a victim of the system because she was a victim. 576 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: The last thing I've got to say, Nancy, nobody else 577 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: is saying it. I do not believe. I know the 578 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: husband has not been charged. I know that, However, I 579 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: do not believe that he was not involved in her disappearance. 580 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:56,320 Speaker 1: Investigators have recovered a body inside extra space storage on 581 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: Arden Avenue in Arden Heights. AJ is just receiving information 582 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: from inside the police investigation that it is confirmed to 583 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: be Janine right now, our prayers are with her children, 584 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crib's choice, signing off goodbye, Flip