WEBVTT - In Their Infancy

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal hull that for me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a man, I'm for I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be happy.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to be happy for a day?

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<v Speaker 1>Edith Steak is that woo woom? And then and Tye,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome back to the Solid Verbal boys and girls. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is ty hilden Brand, joining me once more, the one,

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<v Speaker 1>the only Dan Rubinstein out there in Chicago, Illinois. How

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<v Speaker 1>you doing, man?

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<v Speaker 2>Long time?

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<v Speaker 1>He'll talk. I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we can license anymore. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know again because I was about to start singing. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's a cover version. It's not playing the actual it's

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<v Speaker 2>a terrible cover version. But I have I've waited here

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<v Speaker 2>for you, Tie while I've been attending to business. That's

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<v Speaker 2>more important because there is a second solid baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Youngratue.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty good and pretty tired, but pretty excited to

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<v Speaker 2>be back after what Andy Staples and Matt Brown too

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<v Speaker 2>feer friends of the show filled in for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of fantastic shows. So I'm no worse for the wear.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I am better for the wear because I

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<v Speaker 2>have a healthy baby boy number two. I kind of

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<v Speaker 2>joked about it talking about a family band that I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to start, that I should have another kid. We're

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of ways away from that. But healthy baby,

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<v Speaker 2>Solid baby number two boy. So I'm a boy dad

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<v Speaker 2>in a big way. And I got to tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>Solid toddler not super interested his little brother, so not

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<v Speaker 2>dealing well.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's like squarely in the terrible too. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everything is a change and difficult, but at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time pretty fun. So yeah, got two little

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<v Speaker 2>guys in the house and can't complain. Everybody's healthy. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>went smoothly in the hospital. We were actually we actually

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<v Speaker 2>went in to be induced because Jody with and I

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<v Speaker 2>was beyond ready. And they sent us home and they're like, eh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no room, no room at the end, come back

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<v Speaker 2>in a few hours. And so then they called us

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<v Speaker 2>and we went back and everything went super well, and

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<v Speaker 2>so we in the shadow tie the Shadow of Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>Field is where Solid Baby number two arrived.

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<v Speaker 1>Born the same day as Mamma H's birthday. No less,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, the nineteenth Yeah, correct, So if you are

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<v Speaker 1>looking to steal Mama H's identity, that's right, you've gotten

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<v Speaker 1>one step closer. I get. I guess the operative question here.

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<v Speaker 1>Since this is the first a lot of folks are

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about this. Did you know about this in advance

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<v Speaker 1>or did it just happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Just sprung up on us. I thought Jody was looking

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<v Speaker 2>more broad. Didn't have any clue, none in the least. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we knew.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Jody was pregnant. Yeah, to answer your question, well, Jody

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<v Speaker 2>was pregnant, and we were very fortunate that through all

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<v Speaker 2>of the moving and through all of a very pretty

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<v Speaker 2>trying last year, everything went well on that end. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's good. I'm thrilled to be a father of two.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you busted out the acoustic guitar in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning, I thought you were going to break out

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<v Speaker 1>into song, because every band in the history of bands

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<v Speaker 1>has the band leader who writes the song about the newborn.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I have not done that. If anything, I

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<v Speaker 2>just am spending more time in the basement with the

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<v Speaker 2>solid toddler, looking up random blink onin eighty two and

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<v Speaker 2>apparently Foo Fighters tabs and tuning my guitar down to

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<v Speaker 2>accommodate my spur of the moment guitar tab needs.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever you can do with power chords and a g

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<v Speaker 1>in a C and a D.

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<v Speaker 2>You're good, it's plenty, It's plenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, welcome back to you, sir, it's great to have

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<v Speaker 1>you back. Congratulations, I'm glad everything went well. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome back to our trusted verballerhood out there on

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<v Speaker 1>the intersphere. Hello, I am Ty, He's Dan. Don't forget

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<v Speaker 1>As you know, we do twice a week in this

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<v Speaker 1>year off season. At some point, as we get closer

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<v Speaker 1>social media as well, Daniel, I guess we're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a baby theme show today, aren't we.

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<v Speaker 2>We absolutely are. If I can't use my baby for

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<v Speaker 2>content inspiration, what is the point, Tie, So, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how much news you want to I mean Alan Bowman,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to play the song, if you have

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<v Speaker 2>your voice zoomed breaking abbreviated breaking, not bad, not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Eric Gilbert also back in the transfer portal. Little dip

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<v Speaker 2>dip of the toes in Gainesville just went in the beak.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure exactly. Hopefully more will come out soon

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<v Speaker 2>about what exactly did or didn't happen in Gainsville for

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<v Speaker 2>Eric Gilbert, but he's officially back in the transfer portal.

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<v Speaker 2>VI All Everything combo tight end receiver who ended up

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<v Speaker 2>at LSU from the state of Georgia, went to Florida

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<v Speaker 2>and now is back in the transfer portal, So potentially

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<v Speaker 2>we'll see what happens in terms of who might be

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<v Speaker 2>getting an interesting pass catcher. And Alan Bowman, who had

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<v Speaker 2>a promising start, took his career at Texas Texas quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>and dealt with a number of pretty significant health issues

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<v Speaker 2>including lung issues, collapse, lng issues, airlifting issues. He found

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<v Speaker 2>his way now to Ann Arbor to add depth and

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<v Speaker 2>compete for the starting quarterback job that is presumably open.

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<v Speaker 2>Kate Cunningham, JJ McCarthy, the incoming freshman now Alan Bowman

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<v Speaker 2>battling for the starting job there, which is not a

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<v Speaker 2>great sound battled. Now. So Joe Milton, of course started

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<v Speaker 2>last year and he is now in the transfer portal himself,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just doesn't sound like the quarterback room has

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<v Speaker 2>ever been fully solved at in an arbor, at least

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<v Speaker 2>since the glory days of Jake Rudoch. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Bowman kind of looked like a shell of himself.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope a change of scenery is good for him,

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<v Speaker 2>good for Michigan. I hope it works out. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. When you're banking on that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's things seem dire to me. And I know Michigan fans,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, want to have hope and be optimistic, but man,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it looks like you're adding up a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of dimes and trying to convince everybody you have

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<v Speaker 2>a dollar. So that's definitely not an idiom, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>definitely something I invented poorly just now. But I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just how it sort of how I feel about

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<v Speaker 2>it and hope it works out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The other news, it's of course very sad and tragic.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm guessing you saw the news about Lewis Nicks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, yes, awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Awful story. They found him dead on Saturday, a few

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<v Speaker 1>days after he was reported missing, down in Jacksonville, Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Just twenty nine years old, A big personality, a big

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<v Speaker 1>part of some really solid Notre Dame teams, and a

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<v Speaker 1>fan favorite. So when the news, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Loved among the coaches and players and South Bend. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>really really tragic. I'm sure details more and more will

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<v Speaker 2>come out, but yeah, had been injured. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was shot in December in Florida, and so it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>sound like things were going all that great. And man,

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<v Speaker 2>I just hate to see it. It's sad stuff, that

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<v Speaker 2>sad stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately upon seeing the news, just slogged onto Twitter and

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<v Speaker 1>saw a lot of what the Notre Dame faithful had

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<v Speaker 1>to say about Lewis and sad stuff. Hate to close

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<v Speaker 1>it out on a sad note here, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>news and I certainly wish his family well. Okay, with

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<v Speaker 1>that being said, we have two choices here for our

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<v Speaker 1>sounds to intro some of these different things that we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to discuss.

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<v Speaker 2>You, we've got a not an easy transition. We should

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<v Speaker 2>mention this is as good as we can do. This

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<v Speaker 2>is as good as we can do something awful to

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<v Speaker 2>something more off season, Drilly, We've.

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<v Speaker 1>Got option A, which is more standard. Now that is

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<v Speaker 1>not your baby, it's a baby I found on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we've also got this one. We want to

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<v Speaker 1>get a little bit more poppy with it. We can

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<v Speaker 1>go either one. You could tell me as we go

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<v Speaker 1>through our game, what's your feeling, Moro, since you are

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<v Speaker 1>the man of the hour, the father of the hour,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Rubinstein, our game today is called in their infancy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, correct, Well, I guess I guess we could use it.

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<v Speaker 2>Feels like the Justin Bieber baby is more optimistic and

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<v Speaker 2>the crying is more pessimistic. Right, So could we not

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<v Speaker 2>assign situations their own baby? Sound?

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<v Speaker 1>We could? It's our damn show. We could do whatever

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<v Speaker 1>we want. Sure what we are doing here we are

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<v Speaker 1>taking a look at coaches that started their journey in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. Obviously a weird year in twenty twenty. As

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<v Speaker 1>we move forward into twenty twenty one, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>get an opportunity to see more of what they can do.

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<v Speaker 1>But we've got a long list of coaches here who

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<v Speaker 1>are about to enter their second year with their current school,

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<v Speaker 1>and I guess we probably won't have time to go

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<v Speaker 1>through all these maybe we will, but we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>pick a few out of the grab bag here and

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<v Speaker 1>break down where they're at, how things are going. Their

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<v Speaker 1>ten years are obviously still in their infancy, get it,

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to see if the program's growing old

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<v Speaker 1>and strong or if it's just sort of in that

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<v Speaker 1>developmental phase still. Let's sound about right.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So you get first, pick your first showback, new father

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<v Speaker 1>of two, I should say, yeah, where we going first.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go Lane Kiffin. Let's go at the biggest name

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<v Speaker 2>on the board in terms of and we should mention

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<v Speaker 2>that when we say in their infancy, it's pretty clear

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<v Speaker 2>that twenty twenty was not a normal first season for

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<v Speaker 2>coaches because it was a normal It was not a

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<v Speaker 2>normal anything season for any coaches in any situation across

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<v Speaker 2>the country. We all know this by now. That's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of an old hat way of looking back, but for

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<v Speaker 2>new coaches it was especially tough, with abbreviated to no

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<v Speaker 2>spring practice and workouts being very different and the season

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<v Speaker 2>being up and down depending on just whether it was

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen or not. Depending on the power conference

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<v Speaker 2>that these coaches are coaching in, and then the very

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<v Speaker 2>different way of scheduling fall camp and the season, and

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<v Speaker 2>on again, off again scheduling situations. So it was an

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<v Speaker 2>especially situation for brand new coaches trying to get to

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<v Speaker 2>know their team and their recruiting and their new town,

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<v Speaker 2>moving families and everything that comes along with being a

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<v Speaker 2>first year coach. So of all these coaches, I think

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<v Speaker 2>Lane Kiffin at ole Miss is the biggest name, perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>in the biggest division in college football, the SEC West.

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<v Speaker 2>So let's start talking about ole Miss in its infancy

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<v Speaker 2>under Lane Kiffin. I am looking at this with I

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<v Speaker 2>think rose colored eyes, rose colored glasses. Whatever, I am

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<v Speaker 2>high on ole Miss. I know the situation is difficult

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<v Speaker 2>in that division, but based on the recruiting, based on

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<v Speaker 2>what quarterback looks like moving forward, I am, and based

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<v Speaker 2>on the results. I mean, you take the Auburn game

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<v Speaker 2>and you flip it to ole Miss if you would

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<v Speaker 2>like to. Because of the ending and controversy they're in

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<v Speaker 2>with that game, I believe Ole Miss would have one

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<v Speaker 2>five of its final six. So momentum seems on the side.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever you believe in momentum of Ole Miss and recruiting

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback and hopefully defense. I mean that's gonna be the

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<v Speaker 2>big question mark given where all Miss was defensively before

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<v Speaker 2>Lane Kiffin arrived. But to me, it's trending upwards. I

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<v Speaker 2>see healthy growth rounding into shape. But the weight gain

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<v Speaker 2>is the hair. Every check mark is coming in next

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<v Speaker 2>to the appropriate box.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, Well, here's the thing. When Lane took over,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that you could point to was

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<v Speaker 1>his knowledge of offense, and the other one was on

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<v Speaker 1>the recruiting trail. He's a gifted.

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<v Speaker 2>Recruits going to recruit.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to recruit. Year one in the twenty twenty class,

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<v Speaker 1>Lane Kiffen finishes twelfth in the SEC sixth after this

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<v Speaker 1>past cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's with like no time that first class,

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty class because of the early signing period.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of an impossibility. It's an impossibility. But the

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<v Speaker 2>important point here in looking at a number of these

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<v Speaker 2>other coaches that he is going to be compared against,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them didn't go up in terms of rankings,

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't improve, some of them stayed static. Lane Kiffin

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<v Speaker 2>went from twelve to six. Weird year blah blah, blah,

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<v Speaker 2>but still noted improvement. Secondly to the first point, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Scored a ton of points this year, Dan, They were

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<v Speaker 1>fun as hell to watch. They got knocked around a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit against just a brutal first half schedule that

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<v Speaker 1>had Florida and Bama and Auburn, and you know, Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>was tougher than expected.

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<v Speaker 2>Well through those the.

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<v Speaker 1>Ton of interception game was the Arkansas gau five or

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<v Speaker 1>six picks. Yeah, they beat some good teams in the

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<v Speaker 1>second half. They beat Mississippi State, they beat Indiana in

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<v Speaker 1>the bowl game. Maybe I shouldn't be lumping LSU in

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<v Speaker 1>with a quote unquote good team, but they're still talented.

0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.880
<v Speaker 1>They could have beaten LSU, which would have been a

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<v Speaker 1>moment for Lank Kiffin. That was a low key great game. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so five and five was what Kiffin finished at after

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<v Speaker 1>bowl season. I think that's a hell of a job

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<v Speaker 1>in year one for the Lane train. I'm with you, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm super bullish on on Lane Kiffen.

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<v Speaker 2>Something fascinating to pay attention to is also when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about recruiting, we now have to especially consider transfer recruiting,

0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.880
<v Speaker 2>losing transfers, bringing in transfers, and certainly what it was

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<v Speaker 2>what Kenny Oboa from Temple was an immediate contributor at

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<v Speaker 2>that sort of tight end receiver spot. So what Ole

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<v Speaker 2>Miss does in the portal is going to be interesting

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<v Speaker 2>moving forward. I know they added a few guys last year,

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<v Speaker 2>lost a few guys this year. We'll see the quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>room gets a little thinner. But it looks like obviously

0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:42.960
<v Speaker 2>they have a quarterback of the present and it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like they have a quarterback of the future. So it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like in terms of their I think twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>to seven calls it scholarship distribution, they're in a nice place.

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<v Speaker 2>The defense needs to get a lot better, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>time and the expectation right now is that the the

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<v Speaker 2>roster will become better and better stocked with talent. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I am especially between Ole Miss and Mississippi State. In state,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I gotta lean Kiff at this point. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>yeah for sure. Okay, yeah, so we're feeling good.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go to.

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<v Speaker 2>Where you want to go. Let's go to a different

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<v Speaker 2>conference or we can stay in the SEC.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go to Meltucker.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Mel Tucker takes over very late in the cycle for Michigan.

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<v Speaker 1>State comes over from Colorado. Michigan State finishes with the

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<v Speaker 1>tenth best class in the Big Ten, which does not

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<v Speaker 1>have ten teams anymore. Right, this past cycle stayed static,

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<v Speaker 1>finished tenth again. This is a team that went two

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<v Speaker 1>and five in YR one weird year. We assume twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty was weird. Yes, of course, beat Michigan on the road, Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>I know Michigan was not quote unquote. Michigan was right

0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:13.800
<v Speaker 1>there with Rutgers, Tie was right there. But beating Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>on the road was a big deal for Mel Tucker

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<v Speaker 1>and y're one. You don't have a whole lot to

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<v Speaker 1>be excited about, but that's something that you could point to,

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<v Speaker 1>something that you could try to use on the recruiting trail.

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan State as a defensive entity was still very good

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<v Speaker 1>this past season. Couldn't do much on offense. I think

0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.320
<v Speaker 1>they need to improve there. I think they know they

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<v Speaker 1>need to improve there. But as defensive entity, they were

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I know the numbers and some of the advanced metrics

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<v Speaker 2>like Michigan State, but we're still talking about an Ohio

0:16:50.800 --> 0:16:57.120
<v Speaker 2>State team gashing Michigan State, Iowa Iowa gashing Michigan State

0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.560
<v Speaker 2>it's it's tough for me. In the second half against

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<v Speaker 2>Penn State, I think that was what a Johan Dotson

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<v Speaker 2>Parker Washington Clinic.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They were up twenty one to ten at halftime and

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<v Speaker 2>then just got totally demolished in the second half. So

0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:15.520
<v Speaker 2>giving up forty nine to fifty two and nearly forty

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<v Speaker 2>to close out the season. I know they beat Northwestern

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<v Speaker 2>in there, get shut out against Indiana. Yes, the defense

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<v Speaker 2>was the clear bright spot, but I wouldn't go as

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<v Speaker 2>far as very good.

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<v Speaker 1>Defense was demonstrably better than the offense. And if we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for bright spots, yes, in terms of advanced analytics,

0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:39.880
<v Speaker 1>they were twelveth in defense. I'll admit that's tougher number twelve. Yeah,

0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:43.639
<v Speaker 1>that's tougher to swallow. But on a per play basis,

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<v Speaker 1>sure that was the bright spot. They need to get

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<v Speaker 1>better at not turning the football over. It was a

0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.200
<v Speaker 1>huge problem for them this season. They were among the

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<v Speaker 1>worst in college football, had a minus nine turnover ratio,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just not going to help when you're a

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<v Speaker 1>new team with a new coach trying to get some momentum.

0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:07.679
<v Speaker 1>Turnovers kill that. So they need to do better in

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<v Speaker 1>that regard, but I think I still feel really good

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<v Speaker 1>about mel Tucker. You know, he was a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>obviously went to Colorado with much acclaim. Michigan State ponied

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<v Speaker 1>up gave him the big bucks to come up to

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<v Speaker 1>East Lansing very late in the cycle to try and

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<v Speaker 1>work his magic. So it feels like he's a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who is building momentum even though the results may not

0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.480
<v Speaker 1>be there. Again, we're twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I'm super high if I'm using quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>of the future recruiting what they look like to a

0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:49.000
<v Speaker 2>minimal degree in twenty twenty as some sort of barometer,

0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.680
<v Speaker 2>some sort of litmus test, whatever, I don't necessarily see

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<v Speaker 2>a quarterback of the future. Do you know how many

0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Michigan State commitments the Spartans got out of the top

0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.600
<v Speaker 2>fifteen players in state in the class of twenty twenty

0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:07.920
<v Speaker 2>one top fifteen. Zero of the State of Michigan's top

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen players are going to East Lansing. It's not everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's something. They lost commitments to Michigan. It's just

0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.120
<v Speaker 2>it's not an amazing place to be right now. And

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<v Speaker 2>so he Meltalker has recruited pretty well, has a good

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<v Speaker 2>history of resonating with players on the trail. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at this team and I'm trying to find

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<v Speaker 2>a reason to think, yeah, they can eventually be a

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<v Speaker 2>top forty offense. I don't see the a game changer

0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:43.879
<v Speaker 2>at any clear skill position. And I just I wonder

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<v Speaker 2>because right now the Big Ten with a what we

0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:52.040
<v Speaker 2>presume to be still average to down Michigan and Wisconsin

0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:56.320
<v Speaker 2>and Penn State after Ohio State, there are no sure things.

0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:58.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I suppose depending on how much you believe

0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:03.840
<v Speaker 2>in Iowa or Minnesota, whoever. But Indiana. I always believe

0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.960
<v Speaker 2>in Indiana. L el but I don't know this. It

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:10.800
<v Speaker 2>feels like there needs to be more reason for hope

0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:14.000
<v Speaker 2>because I don't know, it seems as open as ever

0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.480
<v Speaker 2>to say, yeah, they can go eight in four. The

0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.080
<v Speaker 2>Big Ten is at a place between the new coaches,

0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:23.760
<v Speaker 2>between the misfires at coordinators, between the perhaps one year

0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:28.440
<v Speaker 2>success blips of certain teams. I just I'm disappointed in

0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Michigan State isn't moving in a direction to make their

0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.040
<v Speaker 2>own fans feel more confident. To me, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I'm not too put off by the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they're only signing three stars and that maybe.

0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:44.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, no, there's a trail. There's three stars, and there's

0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:48.520
<v Speaker 2>higher level three stars. Finishing tenth, eleventh, twelfth out of

0:20:49.040 --> 0:20:51.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, not that many more teams in the Big ten.

0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Is that's a problem?

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<v Speaker 2>Not great?

0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:57.040
<v Speaker 1>No, it's not ideal. I'm not put off as much

0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:02.040
<v Speaker 1>by the recruiting stuff. I take your point, though, about

0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:06.160
<v Speaker 1>the offense and trying to revamp that and turn things around.

0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Mel Tucker's a defensive guy. I think he's going to

0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.880
<v Speaker 1>put a good enough defense out there. But the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>at least over the last five years for the Spartans

0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.879
<v Speaker 1>has been offense had not been able to put it together.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the looming problem for mel Tucker is in

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<v Speaker 1>looking at this schedule Dan coming up in twenty twenty one.

0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.879
<v Speaker 1>If we're taking wins and losses as a measure for momentum,

0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.520
<v Speaker 1>first half of the schedule at Northwestern to open up

0:21:33.520 --> 0:21:36.280
<v Speaker 1>the year, not the easiest game in the world. At

0:21:36.280 --> 0:21:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Miami week three, They've got a game against Nebraska in there.

0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.879
<v Speaker 1>On the road at Rutgers and Indiana. Now, look, no

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.320
<v Speaker 1>one's saying these are juggernauts, but that's the easy part

0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.720
<v Speaker 1>of the schedule. Yep, that's the easy part of the schedule.

0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Because after the bye week, going into Halloween weekend, we've

0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:58.399
<v Speaker 1>got games against Michigan at Purdue and Maryland back to

0:21:58.440 --> 0:22:02.159
<v Speaker 1>back weeks at Ohio home against Penn State back to

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<v Speaker 1>back weeks to close things out. It gets a lot harder.

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.280
<v Speaker 1>So they got to get their house in order very

0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:12.359
<v Speaker 1>early on through those first seven games or so if

0:22:12.400 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 1>they're going to try and establish any kind of real

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<v Speaker 1>momentum going into the latter part of the season, because

0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:20.879
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be a tough stretch. Michigan's not gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>as bad as they wear a year ago. Ohio State

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.120
<v Speaker 1>Penn State will be again loaded for bear and ready

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<v Speaker 1>to go. Even if they're not as good as they

0:22:27.960 --> 0:22:29.760
<v Speaker 1>were a year ago. In the case of Ohio State,

0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:32.240
<v Speaker 1>they're still gonna be pretty damn good. So it's just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get harder and they got to figure it out.

0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:37.879
<v Speaker 1>I'm not uber confident that they can do it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm just biased because I like Bell Tucker.

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I like the higher at Colorado, I like bringing him

0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:48.800
<v Speaker 1>up to Michigan State, albeit under weird circumstances. I'm willing

0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:51.000
<v Speaker 1>to give him a bit of a free pass in

0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a goofy years see if he can turn things around

0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:53.640
<v Speaker 1>now in twenty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just don't know. If I'm a Jay Johnson

0:22:56.000 --> 0:23:01.719
<v Speaker 2>guy the Sparti offensive coordinator. I just Michigan State, even

0:23:01.840 --> 0:23:03.760
<v Speaker 2>when they succeeded, because we're always going to have to

0:23:03.800 --> 0:23:05.640
<v Speaker 2>look at the Spartans in the context of the Mark

0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.600
<v Speaker 2>d Antonio era for the foreseeable future. Because the blueprint

0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.760
<v Speaker 2>was there to win the division, win the conference, go

0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 2>to Rose Bowl, whatever, so it's more than doable. They

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 2>went to the playoff tie. This is not a program

0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:20.679
<v Speaker 2>with no hope because they've done it. They've won, but

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:26.119
<v Speaker 2>they did so with smart offense, efficient offense, and defensive excellence.

0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.360
<v Speaker 2>And that wasn't including recruiting. So I think it's fair

0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:30.200
<v Speaker 2>to say, you know, recruiting is not everything with them,

0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:34.000
<v Speaker 2>but in terms of trajectory and what their offense looks

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:36.360
<v Speaker 2>like moving forward, they lose Rocky Lombardy, they add Anthony

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Russo you know, there was a lot of movement in

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:43.520
<v Speaker 2>the transfer portal in the secondary, which either means that

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 2>they're active and they're attractive to people looking to reinforce

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:50.240
<v Speaker 2>the defense or they're scrambling, and you know, I assume

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:54.720
<v Speaker 2>the truth is somewhere in between. But yeah, I would

0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:58.080
<v Speaker 2>hope that moving forward, Michigan State can appeal to some

0:23:58.160 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 2>sort of promising young quarterback who thinks he has an

0:24:01.080 --> 0:24:04.399
<v Speaker 2>opportunity there to turn things around. But yeah, right now,

0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:08.720
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a steep, uphill battle. So I am. I

0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.840
<v Speaker 2>can't find a reason I will play. I will play

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:16.159
<v Speaker 2>the other baby? Sound okay? Yeah, what I'm saying.

0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 1>That could be a happy cry. We don't know.

0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:20.800
<v Speaker 2>They could be.

0:24:21.080 --> 0:24:25.040
<v Speaker 1>That could be, but doesn't sound it? All right? Dan,

0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I want to move. Let's talk about Mike Norvell.

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it. Grnoles fourth in.

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<v Speaker 1>The ACC in recruiting in the first cycle, fourth in

0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:39.720
<v Speaker 1>recruiting in the ACC in the second cycle under Norvell.

0:24:40.440 --> 0:24:47.880
<v Speaker 1>A three and six finish overall. Beat North Carolina. Nice win, right,

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:48.520
<v Speaker 1>good win?

0:24:49.200 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? An amazing first half anyway.

0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, beat North Carolina, landed Mackenzie Milton through the transfer portal,

0:24:57.359 --> 0:25:00.680
<v Speaker 1>an immediate position of need at quarterback. I think, answering

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:04.520
<v Speaker 1>some questions, that's good for a Mike Norvel system. But

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I could go either way on this.

0:25:08.359 --> 0:25:11.159
<v Speaker 1>We need more data on Mike Norvel in Tallahassee is

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 1>what it ultimately amounts to. But this is not a

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>program that has established a whole lot of momentum over

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:23.879
<v Speaker 1>the last five years. I feel like we're still talking

0:25:23.880 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>about some of the deficiencies there that we were talking

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:28.760
<v Speaker 1>about five years ago. We have Bud Elliott on the

0:25:28.760 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 1>show talking about how bad the offensive line is, or

0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, that offensive line problem hasn't really gone away.

0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Have been able to solve that one. It still do

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 1>a little better, It's gone a little bit better, but

0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>it's still not what I would consider solved. So we've

0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 1>got a program here that we know has limitless potential.

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 1>It's in a great recruiting hotbed, a ton of history,

0:25:53.000 --> 0:25:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I think, a good coach to lead them to greener pastures,

0:25:57.240 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>but kind of an incomplete with what we saw in

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>year one. If you look at it at face value,

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 1>three and six is not something that is all that palatable,

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>not anything that would indicate any kind of continued momentum

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>and success.

0:26:10.960 --> 0:26:15.040
<v Speaker 2>I am optimistic. I'm a Florida State optimist right now,

0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:19.760
<v Speaker 2>because one, they have already landed a couple of absolute studs.

0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:21.399
<v Speaker 2>So if they can hold on to them from the

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.959
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two class. That's an increasing I think it's

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:26.720
<v Speaker 2>the number one player in Georgia, one of the top

0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:31.000
<v Speaker 2>corners in the country. I look at quarterback recruiting in

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:33.439
<v Speaker 2>terms of Okay, we've got Chubba Party, which is the

0:26:34.640 --> 0:26:37.720
<v Speaker 2>clear quarterback of the future after Mackenzie Milton. Let's hope

0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 2>Mackenzie Milton's lower body is okay and he's able to

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 2>step into throws and plant and look as accurate as

0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 2>he did way back when under Scott Frost. And he

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.480
<v Speaker 2>was also fine under Josh Hypel, but that the Scott

0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 2>Frost season was special. So I am I'm trending in

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 2>a good direction with Mike Norvell. I think the offensive

0:26:57.400 --> 0:26:59.720
<v Speaker 2>line will continue to improve. They're young, a lot of

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 2>their talent is young, and so we've been saying that

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 2>for a long time. But I think we've now reached

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:09.480
<v Speaker 2>the point where the locker room is going to be

0:27:09.520 --> 0:27:13.160
<v Speaker 2>a series of better fits at various position groups. Because

0:27:13.400 --> 0:27:16.880
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about Jimbo holdovers into Willie Taggart holdovers into

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Mike Norvell new guys and sorting out that that dynamic

0:27:20.640 --> 0:27:22.639
<v Speaker 2>within the locker room it's going to be tricky, and

0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.160
<v Speaker 2>so I think we are getting to a good point.

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:29.119
<v Speaker 2>Of course, Chubba Party hurt himself and we'll have time

0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>now if he is indeed the real deal to develop

0:27:33.240 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 2>behind Mackenzie Milton, we presume. I am just I'm optimistic.

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:39.160
<v Speaker 2>I like the skill position guys, I like the younger

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 2>guys there. They need to have an amazing, bonkers class

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:45.639
<v Speaker 2>this year because I think the last two years they

0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 2>finished fourth in the ACC. They should never ever, ever, ever,

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 2>ever finished below third in that conference. You wanted some

0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>combination of Clemson in Miami with them. North Carolina should

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>not be out recruiting Florida State in any year, how

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:03.280
<v Speaker 2>charming and wonderful mac Brown is on the trail, Florida

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 2>State should be ahead of North Carolina each and every year,

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 2>and so I am cautiously optimistic that they will be.

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 2>That this is going to be an excellent class for

0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:17.160
<v Speaker 2>the Knowles. So I'm a believer. I am an absolute

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 2>believer in the Mike norvel Era. Yeah.

0:28:20.359 --> 0:28:23.840
<v Speaker 1>The other thing, Florida's state was kind of in disarray

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 1>when he got there. Of course, it's kind of in disarray.

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:29.920
<v Speaker 1>That's why I got there and while he was there.

0:28:30.000 --> 0:28:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Last was a tough off season. It was a stately

0:28:33.359 --> 0:28:36.359
<v Speaker 1>tough off season, very tough offseason. But he got there

0:28:36.400 --> 0:28:38.800
<v Speaker 1>and it was a program very much in disarray. That's

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>why they hired him in the first place. So it

0:28:41.400 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>can take a while to build these things up, and

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>especially given circumstances. I feel like that's a qualifier for

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:49.720
<v Speaker 1>each of these coaches that we're going to discuss. But

0:28:50.280 --> 0:28:52.960
<v Speaker 1>I think I share your optimism. I like the hire

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.040
<v Speaker 1>when they brought him down. I didn't think they overthought it.

0:28:56.840 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>They brought in a guy who could certainly help revidalize offense.

0:29:00.720 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>And as you said, I think the early steam on

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the recruiting trail is all very positive. So I think

0:29:07.800 --> 0:29:10.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm feeling I think I'm feeling pretty good about this.

0:29:10.320 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I was pretty high in Florida State too, and I

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>think we did one of our look ahead episodes a

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>few weeks back. I'm pretty high in Florida State.

0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Good same page, and there's I mean, you look at

0:29:22.640 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 2>what the line looks like moving forward. You are the

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 2>defensive line. Excuse me, I mean interior. We'll see, we'll see.

0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there's there are immediate answers on

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the inside. But you look at what the linebacker position

0:29:35.040 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 2>looks like moving forward, especially you look at what they've

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:39.960
<v Speaker 2>done on the recruiting trail at the secondary positions, I

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 2>mean that corner at safety. They're in a nice spot.

0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 2>They're in a nice spot. I know they've lost a

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 2>couple guys, but I think that speaks more to the

0:29:46.440 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 2>uh the evolving nature of having three coaches in not

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 2>that many more years.

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of being high, Oh no, talking about your boy,

0:29:58.080 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Halfley, You love Jeff Haick.

0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you loved I think so.

0:30:02.840 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Jeff Hafley went six and five in year one

0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:11.440
<v Speaker 1>for the Boston College Eagles. Twelfth in recruiting in the

0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:15.800
<v Speaker 1>ACC's first cycle, went up a few pegs to eighth

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 1>after this most recent cycle helped develop Phil Jerkovic, who

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:24.040
<v Speaker 1>came over from Notre Dame. Had a good season seventeen

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>touchdowns to just five interceptions. I thought BC was pleasantly

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>a surprise this past season. They played hard. They were

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>right up there against teams like Clemson Lawrence without Trevor Lawrence.

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>But still that's meaningful for Boston College year one under

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>halfway to be that close against the Clemson team, even

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:51.240
<v Speaker 1>without Treyl Lawrence. That's a big deal, very close against

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 1>North Carolina as well. This is a team that got

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>up for some of the biggest games on its schedule,

0:30:56.960 --> 0:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>and that is one of the intangibles that I like

0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:03.120
<v Speaker 1>to look at when we're looking at any new team

0:31:03.560 --> 0:31:06.080
<v Speaker 1>in their new coach. We're looking at any team with

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.959
<v Speaker 1>their new coach. If there is that tenacity, that pluck

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>when they're out there on the field, I think that's

0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>a positive sign. So I'm pretty optimistic here.

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, outside of the game against Virginia Tech, I mean

0:31:18.400 --> 0:31:20.960
<v Speaker 2>it was win loss, win, loss, win loss, snip snap, snip,

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.600
<v Speaker 2>snap all season long, So they were they were a

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>contact hitter, they were putting the ball in play. They know,

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:28.680
<v Speaker 2>when I say the Virginia Tech game, they lost that

0:31:28.760 --> 0:31:30.920
<v Speaker 2>game comfortably. But otherwise, I mean, they had the strange

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 2>win against Louisville. But the games that they did lose,

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>they weren't blown out in and that's a nice encouraging sign.

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Filled Jerkovic was interesting. What do you call him? Herky Jerky?

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 2>But you know, there's no clear quarterback in the future

0:31:42.720 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 2>following filed dr Kovic, but I like the staff. He's

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 2>put together, even though the defense was kind of a

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 2>nightmare at times. I'm somewhat confident in Jeff Haffley in

0:31:52.000 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>his ability to simplify things and get that defense. And

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 2>recruiting is is interesting, right, They're Boston College is never

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a top five class in the ACC just

0:32:03.160 --> 0:32:05.320
<v Speaker 2>by the nature of being where they are geographically and

0:32:05.400 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 2>the states that surround Massachusetts. It's just going to be

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:10.320
<v Speaker 2>an uphill battle recruiting. But if we start seeing more

0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 2>and more of those high level three stars, if they're

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 2>getting those guys from Ohio and from New Jersey, and

0:32:16.400 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, winning those battles against similarly sized and programs

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:24.160
<v Speaker 2>with similar expectations, then they're going to be They're going

0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>to continue to be a hard out and those games

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:32.800
<v Speaker 2>like losing by whatever it was, ten to eleven points

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 2>to Virginia or losing by four or five points to

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina, They're going to be able to beat those

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 2>good but flawed teams every now and then. So I

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>am I'm up on BC, but it is going to

0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 2>take two and a half years to I think fully

0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 2>realize what Halfley can get the Eagles team to be.

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even if they continue picking up an extra win

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:02.680
<v Speaker 1>each season if they keep playing hard the way they

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.600
<v Speaker 1>did that to me would be a big upgrade. Not

0:33:05.680 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 1>to say they didn't before, but it just felt like

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:14.400
<v Speaker 1>it took on a different feel in twenty twenty. Defense

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 1>needs to improve, we know that, but offensively, I just

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:21.719
<v Speaker 1>I admire the way that they played under Halfley. Seems

0:33:21.720 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>like there was a plan, like it was going somewhere.

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>It all felt like very cohesive, which I can't say

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 1>as much about the previous regimes. So I was hugely

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 1>optimistic about Halfley in year one. Definitely a little biased

0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 1>because of fielder Covid coming over from Notre Dame, but

0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 1>I think if you're a BC fan, you got to

0:33:41.360 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 1>feel pretty good about this.

0:33:42.920 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 2>You know what I also like about Boston College. They

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 2>were a pretty good special teams team that they could

0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 2>find hidden yards, they could find hidden points. That's if

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 2>you go back, what two three years now to that

0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Syracuse team who played well in the ACC despite not

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 2>having killers all over the place on the field, they

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>were a good spe teams team. And that's how you

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 2>tip those three five six point losses into wins by

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 2>picking up those extra yards and turning them into short

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:11.960
<v Speaker 2>fields and you know, flipping the game in interesting ways.

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 2>So that's that's another reason, the sort of hidden stuff

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I like about Boston College.

0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm with you, So we're good. We're feeling good. Feeling

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:27.200
<v Speaker 1>good about this all right? Why your boy Jimmy Lake,

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 1>My boy? Yeah, Jimmy Lake had a four game slate

0:34:34.840 --> 0:34:37.759
<v Speaker 1>this year for Washington because the PAC twelve only played

0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>a handful of games. Second in recruiting to close out

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 1>the first cycle sixth this past cycle, Jimmy Lake took

0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 1>over from within. So when Chris Peterson left, Jimmy Lake

0:34:52.280 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 1>was promoted. Had a familiarity with the program. Defensive minded guy,

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:58.879
<v Speaker 1>right Dan, I.

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Would hope, so as a defensive coordinator.

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so now he's stepping into this new role. Did

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>we see enough out of Washington in year one to

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 1>really make any kind of assessment here?

0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the PAC twelve is especially hard to figure

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>out because Washington played four games in twenty twenty and

0:35:17.440 --> 0:35:21.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't start until what November? So I don't know what

0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 2>you can possibly take from Washington that seriously in either direction.

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they go three and one, they're not able

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:29.200
<v Speaker 2>to play in the packed TLAL Championship games. To Oregon

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:32.280
<v Speaker 2>steps in. There are certainly things to really like about

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Washington and the way the defense plays and the talent

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:37.560
<v Speaker 2>that's there that he helped to develop when he was the coordinator.

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.160
<v Speaker 2>The thing I'm concerned about is you mentioned the recruiting

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:43.520
<v Speaker 2>numbers and the drop off. So Chris Peterson retires. I

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:46.400
<v Speaker 2>believe it's what late November early December twenty nineteen, so

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:49.120
<v Speaker 2>that class is pretty much done signing days two weeks later,

0:35:49.480 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 2>and Jimmy Lake does a good job, you know, keeping

0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>things together for that class, finishing strong on the actual

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 2>signing day, and that they finished what number two you

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:58.399
<v Speaker 2>said in the PAC twelve the class of twenty twenty yep.

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>So that's crazy encouraging that Washington was able to attract

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.760
<v Speaker 2>talent there. And I was pretty bullish on Jimmy Lake himself,

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.680
<v Speaker 2>a big personality known as a good recruiter, and you know,

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.399
<v Speaker 2>he was one of the guys you could always count

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 2>on after the Apple Cup, just explaining, hey, Mike Leach

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 2>does the same thing every year, and so we just

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:17.840
<v Speaker 2>keep doing the same thing every year and it keeps working.

0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 2>He's a great quote, he's a you know, big personality.

0:36:20.760 --> 0:36:23.279
<v Speaker 2>I figured it would continue, but it looks like, you know,

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 2>changes within the recruiting department, and you know Oregon coming

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:28.880
<v Speaker 2>on the way that they did as a recruiting force

0:36:28.920 --> 0:36:32.480
<v Speaker 2>and USC bouncing back as a recruiting force in southern California.

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Washington is now at the point where they're having to

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 2>defend their recruiting class and the steps back that they

0:36:37.960 --> 0:36:40.040
<v Speaker 2>took as oh, we found a lot of diamonds in

0:36:40.080 --> 0:36:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the rough, which is fine if they did, and it's

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 2>fine to have that strategy, but if your goal is

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.680
<v Speaker 2>to win the Pac twelve, not going to work. As

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:53.040
<v Speaker 2>down as the conference is. Jimmy's and Joe still matter,

0:36:53.080 --> 0:36:54.799
<v Speaker 2>and they should matter to Jimmy, and I'm sure they do,

0:36:55.440 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 2>but that to me is a concern. Quarterback of the

0:36:58.239 --> 0:37:00.640
<v Speaker 2>future seems to be there in sam Hewart five star

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:05.480
<v Speaker 2>legacy in state coming in this year. And I don't

0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:07.040
<v Speaker 2>think I was a huge fan of Dylan Morris. He

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:09.880
<v Speaker 2>was fine. I just I don't nobody really pops for me.

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I like Kate Otten at tight end, but nobody really

0:37:12.239 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 2>pops for me on that offense. Ty Jones was their

0:37:14.200 --> 0:37:17.359
<v Speaker 2>leading wide receiver. He left for I believe Fresno, and

0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 2>he had his own issues at receiver. So it's I'd

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>like to see more in terms of game changers on offense.

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:25.919
<v Speaker 2>And then you look at the game that they lost,

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 2>and again four games. This is you know, they could

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 2>have lost this game and gone on to win eighth

0:37:30.200 --> 0:37:33.640
<v Speaker 2>straight or whatever, but they were just kind of bled

0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.759
<v Speaker 2>out by Stanford, a not amazing Stanford team. However much

0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 2>you want to believe or not believe in twenty twenty

0:37:39.719 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 2>pack twelve results, I don't know. The offense left me

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:47.400
<v Speaker 2>wanting for more. And then on the recruiting thing, recruiting

0:37:47.480 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 2>John Donovan and Bob Gregory, are they battling a lot

0:37:50.040 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>of teams for those coordinator higher I don't know. I

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Maybe they were, but they hired Bob Gregory internally.

0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>You know where I stand on the John Donovan thing.

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:00.319
<v Speaker 1>I still have antsd from his time at pinn State.

0:38:00.520 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm left in a sort of fox moulder. I

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 2>want to believe, but I'm searching. I'm searching because you

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 2>look at the strength of Washington in terms of talent groupings,

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.080
<v Speaker 2>it's clearly been in the secondary and they had ZTF

0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:16.120
<v Speaker 2>this last year was not an incredible front that they

0:38:16.160 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 2>were pushed around but ZTF is one of the great

0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:22.319
<v Speaker 2>underrated Havo guys in college football. He was incredible from

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>the edge. But to have the guys drafted that they

0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:28.839
<v Speaker 2>have had a Buddha Baker and all those you know,

0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 2>Marcus Peterson like obviously he got kicked off the team.

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:36.760
<v Speaker 2>But that's where the brand of Washington has been recently

0:38:36.800 --> 0:38:39.440
<v Speaker 2>and they have just haven't turned it into success. On

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.360
<v Speaker 2>the recruiting trail, you look at this past year, not

0:38:42.440 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 2>at all. There no blue chips in the secondary. So

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.440
<v Speaker 2>it's concerning to me. So I am I want to believe.

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:54.400
<v Speaker 2>But outside of Sam Heward being just Bonker is incredible,

0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:55.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what there is to buy in on.

0:38:56.760 --> 0:38:59.560
<v Speaker 1>Can we even buy in on Sam Hewart being.

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.879
<v Speaker 2>Sure? I mean, big arm, five star quarterback, I mean

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:08.080
<v Speaker 2>the measurables and the belief in his potential is there.

0:39:08.239 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who he's throwing to that's going to

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:14.280
<v Speaker 2>be the next second coming or whatever of John Ross

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 2>or I don't know who that person is. But yeah,

0:39:18.080 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 2>if Samyward is incredible, he's gonna have to do a

0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:22.240
<v Speaker 2>lot of it himself.

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>My only point is there have been a thousand quarterbacks

0:39:26.280 --> 0:39:29.439
<v Speaker 1>who had big arms and he named Jake Tye.

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>There all named Jake, and this is the Sam.

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now I'm I'm I'm going to I'm going passing

0:39:36.800 --> 0:39:37.240
<v Speaker 1>this picture.

0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 2>The good news we should say is they return a ton.

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 1>They do.

0:39:41.440 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 2>It's coming here. But in terms of long term projection,

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to see a big bounce back recruiting class

0:39:48.239 --> 0:39:49.360
<v Speaker 2>before I fully buy in.

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.239
<v Speaker 1>All right, we got time for one maybe two more.

0:39:53.320 --> 0:39:54.879
<v Speaker 1>You want to pick a name out of the hat here, Dan,

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 1>we can, we.

0:39:55.640 --> 0:40:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Can rapid fire these as well. I am. I am.

0:40:00.960 --> 0:40:04.240
<v Speaker 2>I think lukewarm on Carl Durell. I think the transfer

0:40:04.280 --> 0:40:06.439
<v Speaker 2>portal stuff is interesting. Lost a couple of key guys,

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:09.719
<v Speaker 2>bring in a couple key guys, we'll see. But to

0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 2>do what Colorado did, and I know their opponents weren't

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.080
<v Speaker 2>all that impressive, but I know they just they took

0:40:15.120 --> 0:40:18.319
<v Speaker 2>advantage of mistakes from teams like UCLA and they get

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.960
<v Speaker 2>blown out by Texas. It was an ugly, ugly Bowl loss,

0:40:21.000 --> 0:40:25.439
<v Speaker 2>but I'm impressed with the resilience considering what they did

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:27.839
<v Speaker 2>or did not actually have a quarterback that they won

0:40:27.960 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 2>like they did. I think that's a good reflection on

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Carl Durell. So I'm gonna say luke warm, not luke cold.

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:34.759
<v Speaker 2>On Carl Durrell. I don't know if you have any

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 2>thoughts there.

0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I thought they actually had a pretty

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.319
<v Speaker 1>good showing to start out the year. Again, it's tough

0:40:44.360 --> 0:40:46.000
<v Speaker 1>with the Pac twelve. They didn't play a whole lot

0:40:46.000 --> 0:40:48.239
<v Speaker 1>of games, but they started four. And oh and I

0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 1>remember on the show talking like Colorado, Colorado look at

0:40:51.840 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 1>a lot better than expected. That being said, the Carl

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Durell hier to me as just like a passive observer,

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.399
<v Speaker 1>felt like he came out of left field, and even

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks into the year, it was like,

0:41:04.760 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I had to remind myself that Carl Durell

0:41:06.760 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 1>was coaching again. So that's not to say that he

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:13.360
<v Speaker 1>can't and won't do a good job. But again, I

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:15.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of in the Washington camp here.

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 2>He's a really nice commitment for the class of twenty

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty two, a blue chip I think linebacker from Texas.

0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.440
<v Speaker 2>So there is something And you have to remember with

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Carl Durell the point of the process in which he

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.440
<v Speaker 2>was hired. Mel Tucker was hired late, late late in

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 2>the process because of the timing of Mark d Antonio's retirement,

0:41:32.560 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 2>so he's already starting way way behind. So that's why,

0:41:36.160 --> 0:41:38.839
<v Speaker 2>just to me, in year one, given all the craziness,

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:40.320
<v Speaker 2>it was pretty impressive.

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 1>Totally all right, how about Sam Pittman, Dan, Yeah, woo okay,

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:53.319
<v Speaker 1>three and seven. But the fact that this season was

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:57.160
<v Speaker 1>not a complete disaster would be the first bright spot.

0:41:57.520 --> 0:41:59.759
<v Speaker 1>Second bright spot is they were plucky as hell, Man,

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 1>They were plucky as hell. They beat Mississippi State, They

0:42:03.440 --> 0:42:07.000
<v Speaker 1>could have beaten Auburn, They played well against Ole Miss

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:09.239
<v Speaker 1>could have beaten LSU, which would have been a big deal.

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 1>They could have beaten Miszoos. So there were a bunch

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>of could have beatens on that schedule. And again, I

0:42:16.120 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>just come back to the fact that because they weren't

0:42:18.400 --> 0:42:20.839
<v Speaker 1>a total disaster, it was a huge step forward. They

0:42:20.840 --> 0:42:24.640
<v Speaker 1>got a pretty good year out of Felipe Franks. You know,

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 1>recruiting has improved from your one to year two under

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Sam Pittman. Really one of the bright spots in the SEC.

0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:32.799
<v Speaker 1>If I'm being honest, I was so pumped to see

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>the job that he did. Near one.

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 2>The question with Arkansas is the ceiling because obviously Sam

0:42:38.719 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Pittman has resonated on the recruiting trail. Obviously, he has

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:45.919
<v Speaker 2>resonated in coaching, hiring circles, and in the portal they've

0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:50.480
<v Speaker 2>succeeded obviously. You know, the biggest mark was Felipe Franks

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:52.960
<v Speaker 2>coming over and being a reasonable success for the Hogs.

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 2>They look like they may have a quarterback of the future.

0:42:57.320 --> 0:43:00.279
<v Speaker 2>I think kJ Jefferson is fine. I hope he keeps resting.

0:43:00.280 --> 0:43:02.840
<v Speaker 2>There's also I think it's Malie Hornsby is the other option,

0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.440
<v Speaker 2>the young quarterback option. So hopefully one of those guys

0:43:05.440 --> 0:43:07.839
<v Speaker 2>works out. It looks like an open battle there. They

0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 2>may have the best receiver in the SEC. I mean

0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>where this is more team than Sam Pittman, but I

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:17.919
<v Speaker 2>I mean Trailon Burks, it's just something else. So there

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 2>are immediate building blocks to feel good about with where

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 2>Sam Pittman has Arkansas. The problem is who's trending noticeably

0:43:28.960 --> 0:43:32.239
<v Speaker 2>downward in the SEC West. I think LSU finished the

0:43:32.280 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 2>season on a high note, and I think that was

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:36.239
<v Speaker 2>probably going to be a one year blip of embarrassment.

0:43:36.960 --> 0:43:39.040
<v Speaker 2>And then TeX's A and M looks like they're still

0:43:39.080 --> 0:43:42.320
<v Speaker 2>trending upwards. Alabama, the Mississippi schools look like they're in

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:45.200
<v Speaker 2>a decent place, even as Mississippi State closed out that

0:43:45.560 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 2>most of the season in ugly fashion. I still think

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 2>they're going to improve, and they look like they have

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.279
<v Speaker 2>a quarterback of the future. So it's just I mean,

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Arkansas fans do and should expect winning records in bowl games,

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 2>because that is reasonable to expect at a place like

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Arkansas's down as they've been recently, given the proximity to recruits,

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:08.880
<v Speaker 2>they should be a bowl team much more often than not.

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:11.879
<v Speaker 2>But the question is where those wins coming from? Where

0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 2>are those wins coming from? So I am optimistic, but

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm still looking for some of those pieces to the puzzle.

0:44:20.680 --> 0:44:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm still I mean, I love Barry Otam and he's

0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 2>making a ton of money in Fayetteville, and for good reasons,

0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 2>one of the absolute best defensive coordinators in college football.

0:44:28.760 --> 0:44:34.879
<v Speaker 2>But where are those ws? Where are we finding them?

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:36.400
<v Speaker 2>That's the tough part to me.

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's the problem, isn't it.

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean we can talk about being like down

0:44:42.080 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 2>on Jimmy Lake. I can find w's for Washington, I

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:49.160
<v Speaker 2>absolutely can. It's just tougher with Arkansas and they were there,

0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:52.040
<v Speaker 2>They're right there and for a year zero nightmare of

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:55.240
<v Speaker 2>a twenty twenty if you were to tell Arkansas fans,

0:44:55.920 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 2>you're going to hire this guy who hires good coordinators,

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.959
<v Speaker 2>brings in a legit quarter back, and you are competitive

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.520
<v Speaker 2>with teams much more often than not. I mean you're

0:45:05.800 --> 0:45:09.520
<v Speaker 2>talking about a celebration orgy, that's all. Yeah, I mean,

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:14.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean socially distanced. Socially distanced. So it's very encouraging

0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 2>so far. That's where I'll leave it.

0:45:17.280 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you take that, you absolutely take that.

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:22.120
<v Speaker 1>What about Greg Schiano.

0:45:23.640 --> 0:45:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Rutgers man, I'm such a sunshine pumper today. I don't

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 2>know what it is. Maybe it's having another kid, maybe

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:34.000
<v Speaker 2>it's the loss of sleep. I think, as we mentioned

0:45:34.000 --> 0:45:38.719
<v Speaker 2>with the Big Ten earlier, where after Ohio State and

0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:42.880
<v Speaker 2>maybe after Iowa. I don't know what you can depend

0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:46.879
<v Speaker 2>on right now in the Big Ten. If the New

0:45:46.920 --> 0:45:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Jersey recruiting continues, if they're able to get more high

0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:52.799
<v Speaker 2>level three stars, if we agree that we like Sean

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Gleeson at offensive coordinator, there is a formula in the East.

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 2>If Rutgers finds a quarterback of the future, which I

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.759
<v Speaker 2>don't think they have right now, the absolute peak of

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>defensive excellence and decently efficient offense is going to a

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Rose Bull it's Michigan State, right, Yeah, because Michigan State

0:46:14.040 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't get to the Rose Bowl on the backs of

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:19.000
<v Speaker 2>top twelve recruiting classes a year and in year out.

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:24.480
<v Speaker 2>It's identifying and developing and New Jersey while not Michigan

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 2>in terms of a recruiting home state. If you do

0:46:28.200 --> 0:46:31.440
<v Speaker 2>pretty well in New Jersey and in the Northeast, you

0:46:31.520 --> 0:46:33.920
<v Speaker 2>out recruit Boston College and schools like that that you're

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:37.800
<v Speaker 2>competing with. I don't know, Ruckers can be a bowl team,

0:46:37.960 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 2>and if Rutgers is a bowl team, Greg Ciano is

0:46:41.640 --> 0:46:45.480
<v Speaker 2>in bronze in front of the stadium and thataway. I

0:46:45.480 --> 0:46:48.520
<v Speaker 2>don't know. If the recruiting has improved. They're competitive, they

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:53.480
<v Speaker 2>were this close to beating Michigan goes to OT. I

0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I'm there's very little reason in a vacuum.

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:03.279
<v Speaker 2>They're eating the portal very hard. I don't know if

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:07.279
<v Speaker 2>then quarterback emerges. If we're not even talking about excellence

0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:14.799
<v Speaker 2>at quarterback, we're talking nineteen touchdowns, nine interceptions, sixty one

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:18.560
<v Speaker 2>percent through the air, something like that, you're winning games.

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I feel like we graded on a curve

0:47:23.160 --> 0:47:25.080
<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about a team like a Rutgers or

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:28.239
<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas, because these are programs that have been down

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:32.359
<v Speaker 1>and out really bad, really bad over the last five

0:47:32.440 --> 0:47:35.719
<v Speaker 1>years or so, and so you know, at least in

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 1>the immediate short term, it's going to take a little

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:42.680
<v Speaker 1>bit to ramp these programs up. To what degree that

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:45.799
<v Speaker 1>remains to be seen. But at least with Shiano, we

0:47:45.840 --> 0:47:48.280
<v Speaker 1>know that he knows the lay of the land. Sometimes

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:51.719
<v Speaker 1>it's really overvalued. In most cases it is in this case,

0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. I think Shiano is coming back

0:47:54.200 --> 0:47:56.719
<v Speaker 1>to the place that he knows. He obviously built a

0:47:56.760 --> 0:48:00.800
<v Speaker 1>pretty successful program there previously and that helps. And look,

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.799
<v Speaker 1>they were more organized this past year. They were not

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:07.680
<v Speaker 1>to use a phrase that just said about Arkansas a

0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.960
<v Speaker 1>total disaster. They put it together. They were very close

0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.480
<v Speaker 1>to beating Michigan, could have beaten Michigan in that game.

0:48:15.480 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>So I think there were bright spots.

0:48:19.560 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 2>I can find you six wins on the twenty twenty

0:48:21.640 --> 0:48:24.319
<v Speaker 2>one schedule. Yeah, so I'm looking at it right now.

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Temple Syracuse, Delaware. I mean shout out to the Blue

0:48:27.239 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Hens obviously, of course, and always Michigan State, Illinois, Maryland

0:48:31.920 --> 0:48:36.480
<v Speaker 2>and whatever the Hell, Wisconsin, Indiana, Penn State. There's all

0:48:36.520 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 2>sorts of toss ups. What does Northwestern look like with

0:48:39.160 --> 0:48:45.759
<v Speaker 2>a new quarterback? I A decently efficient Rutgers team with

0:48:45.880 --> 0:48:48.000
<v Speaker 2>a couple of breaks is a ball team in twenty

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:50.799
<v Speaker 2>twenty one? That's crazy.

0:48:50.960 --> 0:48:55.840
<v Speaker 1>So I feel pretty good. Sunshine pumping March one. I

0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 1>give you one final coach if you want, I would

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.640
<v Speaker 1>love one. Let's talk about David Randa. Can you do

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:05.360
<v Speaker 1>the voice post? Oh, I would love to. I'm Dave Randa.

0:49:05.560 --> 0:49:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk Baylor two and seven at Baylor.

0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:12.520
<v Speaker 2>We're skipping Mike Leach, or ski about Mike Leach, or.

0:49:12.440 --> 0:49:13.319
<v Speaker 1>Skipped on Mike Leach.

0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:49:14.560 --> 0:49:15.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh, Dave Randa.

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:16.520
<v Speaker 2>M hm.

0:49:16.600 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk Dave Randa. Two and seven at Baylor. The

0:49:19.400 --> 0:49:23.440
<v Speaker 1>recruiting did improve from year one to year two. I

0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:27.400
<v Speaker 1>was not high on the Bears going into last season,

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:29.799
<v Speaker 1>and boy was I right about that.

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:33.279
<v Speaker 2>For the most part. Yeah. I was higher and I

0:49:33.320 --> 0:49:38.200
<v Speaker 2>was wrong. Oh well, you know they were.

0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Charlie Brewer again just kind of running for his life.

0:49:42.800 --> 0:49:46.759
<v Speaker 1>That's been the story of his college career. Zeota quarterback,

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Utah quarterback. Thank you, literally running out of Baylor. Yeah, Randa,

0:49:55.280 --> 0:49:58.839
<v Speaker 1>I feel like still has really good long term prospects.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the that he's put around him. I do

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<v Speaker 1>think it's going to take some time to ramp that

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<v Speaker 1>program up. So this is another situation where I don't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily think that year one was very representative. I know

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<v Speaker 1>all of these schools were in the unenviable position of

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<v Speaker 1>essentially starting over amid a pandemic, not being able to

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<v Speaker 1>get some of those organized team activities together, meeting face

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<v Speaker 1>to face, going over playbooks on the field instead of

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<v Speaker 1>on zoom calls, so on and so forth. I get

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone here was in a very similar situation, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was such a reboot that I felt like Baylor

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<v Speaker 1>really would have benefited, like it's obvious, but would have

0:50:44.160 --> 0:50:47.880
<v Speaker 1>benefited so so much more and maybe gotten off to

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<v Speaker 1>a much better start if they actually had that face

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<v Speaker 1>time with the new coach and new coaches. So I

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:57.800
<v Speaker 1>remain high on Baylor. I'm certainly not high on last season,

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<v Speaker 1>though last season was a mess.

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<v Speaker 2>I am I think once again up on Baylor, and

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<v Speaker 2>the reason is to me, you look at their schedule,

0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 2>you watch their games, and I rewatched some of the

0:51:10.640 --> 0:51:13.399
<v Speaker 2>latter parts of their year. Now, if they could only

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:15.879
<v Speaker 2>play schools in Kansas. That would be amazing, they would

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:18.600
<v Speaker 2>be set. That was their only wins in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>But the fact of the matter is with what they

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<v Speaker 2>had to replace on defense, with how much of a

0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:27.520
<v Speaker 2>nightmare their offense was essentially for all of last year,

0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 2>the fact that they were battling against Iowa State, against Oklahoma,

0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:34.919
<v Speaker 2>they made things very, very difficult for Oklahoma. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>the Oklahoma State loss they got just demolished by the Pokes,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, the Tech loss, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's heartbreaking. But the fact is they were competing, they

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<v Speaker 2>were fighting, and it clearly wasn't working out with Larry Fedora,

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<v Speaker 2>and they made a change. They did not let something fester.

0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:52.319
<v Speaker 2>David Randon did not let if that was just a

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:55.480
<v Speaker 2>bad mix, whatever it was, He's not gonna like, well,

0:51:55.840 --> 0:51:57.600
<v Speaker 2>let's see if it improved, Like okay, if it's a

0:51:57.600 --> 0:51:59.920
<v Speaker 2>bad mix, do it now if you know you're going

0:51:59.960 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 2>to do it eventually. And he does. He makes a

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<v Speaker 2>change of offense, change at offensive coordinator. So I'm I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm just I'm in on Dave Randa. I think

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<v Speaker 2>he has been thoughtful about waiting for the right place

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<v Speaker 2>and in terms of quarterback of the future, we'll see

0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:19.480
<v Speaker 2>they've got well regarded guys at quarterbacks, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>clear that somebody is that guy moving forward and that

0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, that guy can be developed by this specific

0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:27.319
<v Speaker 2>staff in this specific system. But even when they were

0:52:27.320 --> 0:52:29.319
<v Speaker 2>succeeding two years ago with Matt Rule, it wasn't on

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<v Speaker 2>the back of an explosive offense. So if they if

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<v Speaker 2>this offense is good enough to service the defense, which

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<v Speaker 2>we assume will continue to improve, I think I'm good

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<v Speaker 2>with an up and up Baylor. Yeah, I am all right.

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<v Speaker 1>We will talk at some other point about a couple

0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:52.520
<v Speaker 1>of the other coaches that we left drink wits. Yeah, each.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know I'm saying it like that, but I

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<v Speaker 2>I am all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, right in, let us know your thoughts soliverable at

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<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com. Don't forget to check out for Ballers

0:53:03.719 --> 0:53:06.680
<v Speaker 1>dot com again. That's the Patreon where you can find

0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 1>some of the cool bonus stuff that we are about

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.360
<v Speaker 1>to start ramping up. Daniel, Yeah, did.

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<v Speaker 2>You have any questions about the birth? Did you have

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<v Speaker 2>any other follow ups? How's Jody with an I feeling

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good all things considered. I mean, she was incredible

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<v Speaker 2>in the hospital. I am just in awe of what

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<v Speaker 2>women go through to have a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we playing the food Fighters again? That's we're playing

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.440
<v Speaker 1>food fighters? I am, Yeah, I am.

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<v Speaker 2>This is more of a finger picking version, right, can

0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:37.640
<v Speaker 2>you finger pick on that?

0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:38.160
<v Speaker 1>I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, don't you hear me doing it?

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<v Speaker 1>I hear it, but I I can't tell if it's

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<v Speaker 1>a recording. It sounds wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's me so yeah. I mean it's it's a miracle, right,

0:53:53.120 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a childbirth. It's incredible. And I recommend it

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:59.759
<v Speaker 2>to everybody who's interested in having kids. I recommend being

0:54:00.400 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 2>the dude. You just eat some food and encourage and coach.

0:54:04.320 --> 0:54:04.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the move.

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<v Speaker 1>So now you're gonna be switching up from the zone

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:11.400
<v Speaker 1>defense where you've got numbers to manned a man, have

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<v Speaker 1>you and Jody with and I prepared for that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost a double team with the solid toddler at

0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.920
<v Speaker 2>over two years old, now just running a muck. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the solid baby is mostly just being ignored. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's you remember the Memphis Grizzly player who just

0:54:29.719 --> 0:54:32.920
<v Speaker 2>was a defensive specialist and everybody left him alone? Was

0:54:33.000 --> 0:54:37.840
<v Speaker 2>his name? I think that's it's Tony. I'm totally blanking

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember watching it in Awe Memphis Grizzly Tony Allen, Tony.

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<v Speaker 1>Allen, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to feed the solid baby.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to attend to his needs. But also we're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be in his face like we were

0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 1>with number one, be like oh look at that heck up,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, that's sneeze.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's chasing the toddler around and checking in on

0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:01.200
<v Speaker 2>the baby every so often, so he's getting the Tony

0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Allen treatment right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, Well, I'm glad that everyone's doing well, and

0:55:07.520 --> 0:55:10.719
<v Speaker 1>congratulations to you guys. It's really nothing like comparing a

0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 1>newborn to a defensive specialist. That's what we do here, Dan,

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:14.360
<v Speaker 1>you know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, in a different sport entirely from what we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein.

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<v Speaker 1>For myself, Tie Hillo Brand, thanks so much for downloading,

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<v Speaker 1>for listening, for playing along with our madness. We will

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<v Speaker 1>be back on Thursday. Q and A coming your way.

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<v Speaker 1>Get those questions in. We'll post how on all of

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<v Speaker 1>our social media channels in the meantime. For that Guy,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Rubinstein and myself Tie Hildebrand. Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to your students, say styling Hellllo. Peace,