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Speaker 1: I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: Edith Steak is that woo woom? And then and Tye,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the Solid Verbal boys and girls. My

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Speaker 1: the only Dan Rubinstein out there in Chicago, Illinois. How

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Speaker 1: you doing, man?

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Speaker 2: Long time?

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Speaker 2: I don't know if we can license anymore. I don't

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Speaker 2: for you, Tie while I've been attending to business. That's

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Speaker 2: more important because there is a second solid baby.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Youngratue.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty good and pretty tired, but pretty excited to

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Speaker 2: In fact, I am better for the wear because I

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Speaker 1: Born the same day as Mamma H's birthday. No less,

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Speaker 1: Well, welcome back to you, sir, it's great to have

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Speaker 1: you back. Congratulations, I'm glad everything went well. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin arrived. But to me, it's trending upwards. I

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Speaker 1: To me, Well, here's the thing. When Lane took over,

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Speaker 2: Recruits going to recruit.

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Speaker 1: Scored a ton of points this year, Dan, They were

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Speaker 1: Mel Tucker takes over very late in the cycle for Michigan.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm super high if I'm using quarterback

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm not too put off by the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't know. If I'm a Jay Johnson

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Speaker 2: it's it's a steep, uphill battle. So I am. I

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Speaker 2: can't find a reason I will play. I will play

436
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Speaker 2: the other baby? Sound okay? Yeah, what I'm saying.

437
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Speaker 1: That could be a happy cry. We don't know.

438
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Speaker 2: They could be.

439
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Speaker 1: That could be, but doesn't sound it? All right? Dan,

440
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Speaker 1: I want to move. Let's talk about Mike Norvell.

441
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Speaker 2: Let's do it. Grnoles fourth in.

442
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Speaker 1: The ACC in recruiting in the first cycle, fourth in

443
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Speaker 1: recruiting in the ACC in the second cycle under Norvell.

444
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: A three and six finish overall. Beat North Carolina. Nice win, right,

445
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: good win?

446
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah? An amazing first half anyway.

447
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, beat North Carolina, landed Mackenzie Milton through the transfer portal,

448
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: an immediate position of need at quarterback. I think, answering

449
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 1: some questions, that's good for a Mike Norvel system. But

450
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I could go either way on this.

451
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: We need more data on Mike Norvel in Tallahassee is

452
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Speaker 1: what it ultimately amounts to. But this is not a

453
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Speaker 1: program that has established a whole lot of momentum over

454
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Speaker 1: the last five years. I feel like we're still talking

455
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Speaker 1: about some of the deficiencies there that we were talking

456
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Speaker 1: about five years ago. We have Bud Elliott on the

457
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Speaker 1: show talking about how bad the offensive line is, or

458
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, that offensive line problem hasn't really gone away.

459
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: Have been able to solve that one. It still do

460
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Speaker 1: a little better, It's gone a little bit better, but

461
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Speaker 1: it's still not what I would consider solved. So we've

462
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Speaker 1: got a program here that we know has limitless potential.

463
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: It's in a great recruiting hotbed, a ton of history,

464
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Speaker 1: I think, a good coach to lead them to greener pastures,

465
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Speaker 1: but kind of an incomplete with what we saw in

466
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Speaker 1: year one. If you look at it at face value,

467
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Speaker 1: three and six is not something that is all that palatable,

468
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Speaker 1: not anything that would indicate any kind of continued momentum

469
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Speaker 1: and success.

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Speaker 2: I am optimistic. I'm a Florida State optimist right now,

471
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Speaker 2: because one, they have already landed a couple of absolute studs.

472
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Speaker 2: So if they can hold on to them from the

473
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two class. That's an increasing I think it's

474
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Speaker 2: the number one player in Georgia, one of the top

475
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Speaker 2: corners in the country. I look at quarterback recruiting in

476
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Speaker 2: terms of Okay, we've got Chubba Party, which is the

477
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Speaker 2: clear quarterback of the future after Mackenzie Milton. Let's hope

478
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Speaker 2: Mackenzie Milton's lower body is okay and he's able to

479
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Speaker 2: step into throws and plant and look as accurate as

480
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Speaker 2: he did way back when under Scott Frost. And he

481
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Speaker 2: was also fine under Josh Hypel, but that the Scott

482
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Speaker 2: Frost season was special. So I am I'm trending in

483
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: a good direction with Mike Norvell. I think the offensive

484
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Speaker 2: line will continue to improve. They're young, a lot of

485
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Speaker 2: their talent is young, and so we've been saying that

486
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Speaker 2: for a long time. But I think we've now reached

487
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Speaker 2: the point where the locker room is going to be

488
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Speaker 2: a series of better fits at various position groups. Because

489
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Speaker 2: we're talking about Jimbo holdovers into Willie Taggart holdovers into

490
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 2: Mike Norvell new guys and sorting out that that dynamic

491
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Speaker 2: within the locker room it's going to be tricky, and

492
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Speaker 2: so I think we are getting to a good point.

493
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Speaker 2: Of course, Chubba Party hurt himself and we'll have time

494
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Speaker 2: now if he is indeed the real deal to develop

495
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Speaker 2: behind Mackenzie Milton, we presume. I am just I'm optimistic.

496
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Speaker 2: I like the skill position guys, I like the younger

497
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Speaker 2: guys there. They need to have an amazing, bonkers class

498
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Speaker 2: this year because I think the last two years they

499
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Speaker 2: finished fourth in the ACC. They should never ever, ever, ever,

500
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Speaker 2: ever finished below third in that conference. You wanted some

501
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: combination of Clemson in Miami with them. North Carolina should

502
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Speaker 2: not be out recruiting Florida State in any year, how

503
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Speaker 2: charming and wonderful mac Brown is on the trail, Florida

504
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 2: State should be ahead of North Carolina each and every year,

505
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Speaker 2: and so I am cautiously optimistic that they will be.

506
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Speaker 2: That this is going to be an excellent class for

507
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Speaker 2: the Knowles. So I'm a believer. I am an absolute

508
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Speaker 2: believer in the Mike norvel Era. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The other thing, Florida's state was kind of in disarray

510
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Speaker 1: when he got there. Of course, it's kind of in disarray.

511
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Speaker 1: That's why I got there and while he was there.

512
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Speaker 1: Last was a tough off season. It was a stately

513
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: tough off season, very tough offseason. But he got there

514
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Speaker 1: and it was a program very much in disarray. That's

515
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Speaker 1: why they hired him in the first place. So it

516
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Speaker 1: can take a while to build these things up, and

517
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Speaker 1: especially given circumstances. I feel like that's a qualifier for

518
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Speaker 1: each of these coaches that we're going to discuss. But

519
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Speaker 1: I think I share your optimism. I like the hire

520
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: when they brought him down. I didn't think they overthought it.

521
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Speaker 1: They brought in a guy who could certainly help revidalize offense.

522
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Speaker 1: And as you said, I think the early steam on

523
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Speaker 1: the recruiting trail is all very positive. So I think

524
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Speaker 1: I'm feeling I think I'm feeling pretty good about this.

525
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Speaker 1: I was pretty high in Florida State too, and I

526
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Speaker 1: think we did one of our look ahead episodes a

527
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Speaker 1: few weeks back. I'm pretty high in Florida State.

528
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Speaker 2: Good same page, and there's I mean, you look at

529
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Speaker 2: what the line looks like moving forward. You are the

530
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Speaker 2: defensive line. Excuse me, I mean interior. We'll see, we'll see.

531
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Speaker 2: I don't know if there's there are immediate answers on

532
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Speaker 2: the inside. But you look at what the linebacker position

533
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: looks like moving forward, especially you look at what they've

534
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Speaker 2: done on the recruiting trail at the secondary positions, I

535
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Speaker 2: mean that corner at safety. They're in a nice spot.

536
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Speaker 2: They're in a nice spot. I know they've lost a

537
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Speaker 2: couple guys, but I think that speaks more to the

538
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Speaker 2: uh the evolving nature of having three coaches in not

539
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Speaker 2: that many more years.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of being high, Oh no, talking about your boy,

541
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Speaker 1: Jeff Halfley, You love Jeff Haick.

542
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you loved I think so.

543
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Jeff Hafley went six and five in year one

544
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Speaker 1: for the Boston College Eagles. Twelfth in recruiting in the

545
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Speaker 1: ACC's first cycle, went up a few pegs to eighth

546
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Speaker 1: after this most recent cycle helped develop Phil Jerkovic, who

547
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Speaker 1: came over from Notre Dame. Had a good season seventeen

548
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: touchdowns to just five interceptions. I thought BC was pleasantly

549
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: a surprise this past season. They played hard. They were

550
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Speaker 1: right up there against teams like Clemson Lawrence without Trevor Lawrence.

551
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: But still that's meaningful for Boston College year one under

552
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: halfway to be that close against the Clemson team, even

553
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Speaker 1: without Treyl Lawrence. That's a big deal, very close against

554
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: North Carolina as well. This is a team that got

555
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Speaker 1: up for some of the biggest games on its schedule,

556
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Speaker 1: and that is one of the intangibles that I like

557
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: to look at when we're looking at any new team

558
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: in their new coach. We're looking at any team with

559
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Speaker 1: their new coach. If there is that tenacity, that pluck

560
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: when they're out there on the field, I think that's

561
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: a positive sign. So I'm pretty optimistic here.

562
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Speaker 2: Yeah, outside of the game against Virginia Tech, I mean

563
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: it was win loss, win, loss, win loss, snip snap, snip,

564
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: snap all season long, So they were they were a

565
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: contact hitter, they were putting the ball in play. They know,

566
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Speaker 2: when I say the Virginia Tech game, they lost that

567
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: game comfortably. But otherwise, I mean, they had the strange

568
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 2: win against Louisville. But the games that they did lose,

569
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: they weren't blown out in and that's a nice encouraging sign.

570
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: Filled Jerkovic was interesting. What do you call him? Herky Jerky?

571
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: But you know, there's no clear quarterback in the future

572
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: following filed dr Kovic, but I like the staff. He's

573
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 2: put together, even though the defense was kind of a

574
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 2: nightmare at times. I'm somewhat confident in Jeff Haffley in

575
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 2: his ability to simplify things and get that defense. And

576
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: recruiting is is interesting, right, They're Boston College is never

577
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: gonna be a top five class in the ACC just

578
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: by the nature of being where they are geographically and

579
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: the states that surround Massachusetts. It's just going to be

580
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: an uphill battle recruiting. But if we start seeing more

581
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: and more of those high level three stars, if they're

582
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: getting those guys from Ohio and from New Jersey, and

583
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: you know, winning those battles against similarly sized and programs

584
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: with similar expectations, then they're going to be They're going

585
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: to continue to be a hard out and those games

586
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: like losing by whatever it was, ten to eleven points

587
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 2: to Virginia or losing by four or five points to

588
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: North Carolina, They're going to be able to beat those

589
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 2: good but flawed teams every now and then. So I

590
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: am I'm up on BC, but it is going to

591
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: take two and a half years to I think fully

592
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: realize what Halfley can get the Eagles team to be.

593
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Speaker 1: Yeah, even if they continue picking up an extra win

594
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: each season if they keep playing hard the way they

595
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: did that to me would be a big upgrade. Not

596
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: to say they didn't before, but it just felt like

597
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: it took on a different feel in twenty twenty. Defense

598
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: needs to improve, we know that, but offensively, I just

599
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 1: I admire the way that they played under Halfley. Seems

600
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: like there was a plan, like it was going somewhere.

601
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: It all felt like very cohesive, which I can't say

602
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 1: as much about the previous regimes. So I was hugely

603
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: optimistic about Halfley in year one. Definitely a little biased

604
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: because of fielder Covid coming over from Notre Dame, but

605
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Speaker 1: I think if you're a BC fan, you got to

606
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: feel pretty good about this.

607
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Speaker 2: You know what I also like about Boston College. They

608
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: were a pretty good special teams team that they could

609
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: find hidden yards, they could find hidden points. That's if

610
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: you go back, what two three years now to that

611
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: Syracuse team who played well in the ACC despite not

612
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: having killers all over the place on the field, they

613
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: were a good spe teams team. And that's how you

614
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: tip those three five six point losses into wins by

615
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: picking up those extra yards and turning them into short

616
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: fields and you know, flipping the game in interesting ways.

617
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: So that's that's another reason, the sort of hidden stuff

618
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: I like about Boston College.

619
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Speaker 1: I'm with you, So we're good. We're feeling good. Feeling

620
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Speaker 1: good about this all right? Why your boy Jimmy Lake,

621
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: My boy? Yeah, Jimmy Lake had a four game slate

622
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: this year for Washington because the PAC twelve only played

623
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: a handful of games. Second in recruiting to close out

624
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: the first cycle sixth this past cycle, Jimmy Lake took

625
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: over from within. So when Chris Peterson left, Jimmy Lake

626
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: was promoted. Had a familiarity with the program. Defensive minded guy,

627
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 1: right Dan, I.

628
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Speaker 2: Would hope, so as a defensive coordinator.

629
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so now he's stepping into this new role. Did

630
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: we see enough out of Washington in year one to

631
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: really make any kind of assessment here?

632
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: I mean, the PAC twelve is especially hard to figure

633
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: out because Washington played four games in twenty twenty and

634
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: didn't start until what November? So I don't know what

635
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: you can possibly take from Washington that seriously in either direction.

636
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: I mean, they go three and one, they're not able

637
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 2: to play in the packed TLAL Championship games. To Oregon

638
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 2: steps in. There are certainly things to really like about

639
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 2: Washington and the way the defense plays and the talent

640
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: that's there that he helped to develop when he was the coordinator.

641
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: The thing I'm concerned about is you mentioned the recruiting

642
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: numbers and the drop off. So Chris Peterson retires. I

643
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: believe it's what late November early December twenty nineteen, so

644
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 2: that class is pretty much done signing days two weeks later,

645
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: and Jimmy Lake does a good job, you know, keeping

646
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: things together for that class, finishing strong on the actual

647
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: signing day, and that they finished what number two you

648
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 2: said in the PAC twelve the class of twenty twenty yep.

649
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 2: So that's crazy encouraging that Washington was able to attract

650
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 2: talent there. And I was pretty bullish on Jimmy Lake himself,

651
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: a big personality known as a good recruiter, and you know,

652
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 2: he was one of the guys you could always count

653
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 2: on after the Apple Cup, just explaining, hey, Mike Leach

654
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: does the same thing every year, and so we just

655
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 2: keep doing the same thing every year and it keeps working.

656
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: He's a great quote, he's a you know, big personality.

657
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: I figured it would continue, but it looks like, you know,

658
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: changes within the recruiting department, and you know Oregon coming

659
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: on the way that they did as a recruiting force

660
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 2: and USC bouncing back as a recruiting force in southern California.

661
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: Washington is now at the point where they're having to

662
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: defend their recruiting class and the steps back that they

663
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: took as oh, we found a lot of diamonds in

664
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 2: the rough, which is fine if they did, and it's

665
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: fine to have that strategy, but if your goal is

666
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 2: to win the Pac twelve, not going to work. As

667
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: down as the conference is. Jimmy's and Joe still matter,

668
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 2: and they should matter to Jimmy, and I'm sure they do,

669
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: but that to me is a concern. Quarterback of the

670
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: future seems to be there in sam Hewart five star

671
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: legacy in state coming in this year. And I don't

672
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: think I was a huge fan of Dylan Morris. He

673
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 2: was fine. I just I don't nobody really pops for me.

674
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: I like Kate Otten at tight end, but nobody really

675
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: pops for me on that offense. Ty Jones was their

676
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 2: leading wide receiver. He left for I believe Fresno, and

677
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 2: he had his own issues at receiver. So it's I'd

678
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: like to see more in terms of game changers on offense.

679
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 2: And then you look at the game that they lost,

680
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: and again four games. This is you know, they could

681
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 2: have lost this game and gone on to win eighth

682
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: straight or whatever, but they were just kind of bled

683
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 2: out by Stanford, a not amazing Stanford team. However much

684
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: you want to believe or not believe in twenty twenty

685
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: pack twelve results, I don't know. The offense left me

686
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: wanting for more. And then on the recruiting thing, recruiting

687
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: John Donovan and Bob Gregory, are they battling a lot

688
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: of teams for those coordinator higher I don't know. I

689
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: don't know. Maybe they were, but they hired Bob Gregory internally.

690
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: You know where I stand on the John Donovan thing.

691
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,319
Speaker 1: I still have antsd from his time at pinn State.

692
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm left in a sort of fox moulder. I

693
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: want to believe, but I'm searching. I'm searching because you

694
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: look at the strength of Washington in terms of talent groupings,

695
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: it's clearly been in the secondary and they had ZTF

696
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: this last year was not an incredible front that they

697
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: were pushed around but ZTF is one of the great

698
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 2: underrated Havo guys in college football. He was incredible from

699
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: the edge. But to have the guys drafted that they

700
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 2: have had a Buddha Baker and all those you know,

701
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 2: Marcus Peterson like obviously he got kicked off the team.

702
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: But that's where the brand of Washington has been recently

703
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: and they have just haven't turned it into success. On

704
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: the recruiting trail, you look at this past year, not

705
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: at all. There no blue chips in the secondary. So

706
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: it's concerning to me. So I am I want to believe.

707
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: But outside of Sam Heward being just Bonker is incredible,

708
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what there is to buy in on.

709
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: Can we even buy in on Sam Hewart being.

710
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: Sure? I mean, big arm, five star quarterback, I mean

711
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: the measurables and the belief in his potential is there.

712
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: I don't know who he's throwing to that's going to

713
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 2: be the next second coming or whatever of John Ross

714
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 2: or I don't know who that person is. But yeah,

715
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: if Samyward is incredible, he's gonna have to do a

716
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 2: lot of it himself.

717
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: My only point is there have been a thousand quarterbacks

718
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 1: who had big arms and he named Jake Tye.

719
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: There all named Jake, and this is the Sam.

720
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now I'm I'm I'm going to I'm going passing

721
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: this picture.

722
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: The good news we should say is they return a ton.

723
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: They do.

724
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 2: It's coming here. But in terms of long term projection,

725
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: I'd like to see a big bounce back recruiting class

726
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 2: before I fully buy in.

727
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: All right, we got time for one maybe two more.

728
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 1: You want to pick a name out of the hat here, Dan,

729
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: we can, we.

730
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 2: Can rapid fire these as well. I am. I am.

731
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 2: I think lukewarm on Carl Durell. I think the transfer

732
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 2: portal stuff is interesting. Lost a couple of key guys,

733
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 2: bring in a couple key guys, we'll see. But to

734
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: do what Colorado did, and I know their opponents weren't

735
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: all that impressive, but I know they just they took

736
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 2: advantage of mistakes from teams like UCLA and they get

737
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: blown out by Texas. It was an ugly, ugly Bowl loss,

738
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,439
Speaker 2: but I'm impressed with the resilience considering what they did

739
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: or did not actually have a quarterback that they won

740
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 2: like they did. I think that's a good reflection on

741
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: Carl Durell. So I'm gonna say luke warm, not luke cold.

742
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: On Carl Durrell. I don't know if you have any

743
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: thoughts there.

744
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I thought they actually had a pretty

745
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 1: good showing to start out the year. Again, it's tough

746
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: with the Pac twelve. They didn't play a whole lot

747
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: of games, but they started four. And oh and I

748
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: remember on the show talking like Colorado, Colorado look at

749
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: a lot better than expected. That being said, the Carl

750
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: Durell hier to me as just like a passive observer,

751
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 1: felt like he came out of left field, and even

752
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks into the year, it was like,

753
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I had to remind myself that Carl Durell

754
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: was coaching again. So that's not to say that he

755
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: can't and won't do a good job. But again, I

756
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: kind of in the Washington camp here.

757
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 2: He's a really nice commitment for the class of twenty

758
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: twenty two, a blue chip I think linebacker from Texas.

759
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: So there is something And you have to remember with

760
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: Carl Durell the point of the process in which he

761
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 2: was hired. Mel Tucker was hired late, late late in

762
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 2: the process because of the timing of Mark d Antonio's retirement,

763
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 2: so he's already starting way way behind. So that's why,

764
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: just to me, in year one, given all the craziness,

765
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 2: it was pretty impressive.

766
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: Totally all right, how about Sam Pittman, Dan, Yeah, woo okay,

767
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: three and seven. But the fact that this season was

768
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: not a complete disaster would be the first bright spot.

769
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: Second bright spot is they were plucky as hell, Man,

770
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: They were plucky as hell. They beat Mississippi State, They

771
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: could have beaten Auburn, They played well against Ole Miss

772
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: could have beaten LSU, which would have been a big deal.

773
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: They could have beaten Miszoos. So there were a bunch

774
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: of could have beatens on that schedule. And again, I

775
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: just come back to the fact that because they weren't

776
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: a total disaster, it was a huge step forward. They

777
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: got a pretty good year out of Felipe Franks. You know,

778
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 1: recruiting has improved from your one to year two under

779
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: Sam Pittman. Really one of the bright spots in the SEC.

780
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: If I'm being honest, I was so pumped to see

781
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: the job that he did. Near one.

782
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,680
Speaker 2: The question with Arkansas is the ceiling because obviously Sam

783
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: Pittman has resonated on the recruiting trail. Obviously, he has

784
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 2: resonated in coaching, hiring circles, and in the portal they've

785
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 2: succeeded obviously. You know, the biggest mark was Felipe Franks

786
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: coming over and being a reasonable success for the Hogs.

787
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: They look like they may have a quarterback of the future.

788
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 2: I think kJ Jefferson is fine. I hope he keeps resting.

789
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 2: There's also I think it's Malie Hornsby is the other option,

790
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: the young quarterback option. So hopefully one of those guys

791
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 2: works out. It looks like an open battle there. They

792
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 2: may have the best receiver in the SEC. I mean

793
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: where this is more team than Sam Pittman, but I

794
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 2: I mean Trailon Burks, it's just something else. So there

795
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: are immediate building blocks to feel good about with where

796
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 2: Sam Pittman has Arkansas. The problem is who's trending noticeably

797
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,239
Speaker 2: downward in the SEC West. I think LSU finished the

798
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: season on a high note, and I think that was

799
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: probably going to be a one year blip of embarrassment.

800
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: And then TeX's A and M looks like they're still

801
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 2: trending upwards. Alabama, the Mississippi schools look like they're in

802
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: a decent place, even as Mississippi State closed out that

803
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: most of the season in ugly fashion. I still think

804
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: they're going to improve, and they look like they have

805
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 2: a quarterback of the future. So it's just I mean,

806
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: Arkansas fans do and should expect winning records in bowl games,

807
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: because that is reasonable to expect at a place like

808
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: Arkansas's down as they've been recently, given the proximity to recruits,

809
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 2: they should be a bowl team much more often than not.

810
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 2: But the question is where those wins coming from? Where

811
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 2: are those wins coming from? So I am optimistic, but

812
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 2: I'm still looking for some of those pieces to the puzzle.

813
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 2: I'm still I mean, I love Barry Otam and he's

814
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: making a ton of money in Fayetteville, and for good reasons,

815
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: one of the absolute best defensive coordinators in college football.

816
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 2: But where are those ws? Where are we finding them?

817
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: That's the tough part to me.

818
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the problem, isn't it.

819
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean we can talk about being like down

820
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 2: on Jimmy Lake. I can find w's for Washington, I

821
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: absolutely can. It's just tougher with Arkansas and they were there,

822
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: They're right there and for a year zero nightmare of

823
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty if you were to tell Arkansas fans,

824
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: you're going to hire this guy who hires good coordinators,

825
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 2: brings in a legit quarter back, and you are competitive

826
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 2: with teams much more often than not. I mean you're

827
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: talking about a celebration orgy, that's all. Yeah, I mean,

828
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 2: I mean socially distanced. Socially distanced. So it's very encouraging

829
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: so far. That's where I'll leave it.

830
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you take that, you absolutely take that.

831
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

832
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: What about Greg Schiano.

833
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: Rutgers man, I'm such a sunshine pumper today. I don't

834
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: know what it is. Maybe it's having another kid, maybe

835
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: it's the loss of sleep. I think, as we mentioned

836
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: with the Big Ten earlier, where after Ohio State and

837
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: maybe after Iowa. I don't know what you can depend

838
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 2: on right now in the Big Ten. If the New

839
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: Jersey recruiting continues, if they're able to get more high

840
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 2: level three stars, if we agree that we like Sean

841
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 2: Gleeson at offensive coordinator, there is a formula in the East.

842
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: If Rutgers finds a quarterback of the future, which I

843
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: don't think they have right now, the absolute peak of

844
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: defensive excellence and decently efficient offense is going to a

845
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: Rose Bull it's Michigan State, right, Yeah, because Michigan State

846
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: didn't get to the Rose Bowl on the backs of

847
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: top twelve recruiting classes a year and in year out.

848
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: It's identifying and developing and New Jersey while not Michigan

849
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: in terms of a recruiting home state. If you do

850
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: pretty well in New Jersey and in the Northeast, you

851
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: out recruit Boston College and schools like that that you're

852
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 2: competing with. I don't know, Ruckers can be a bowl team,

853
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: and if Rutgers is a bowl team, Greg Ciano is

854
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 2: in bronze in front of the stadium and thataway. I

855
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: don't know. If the recruiting has improved. They're competitive, they

856
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: were this close to beating Michigan goes to OT. I

857
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm there's very little reason in a vacuum.

858
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: They're eating the portal very hard. I don't know if

859
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: then quarterback emerges. If we're not even talking about excellence

860
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: at quarterback, we're talking nineteen touchdowns, nine interceptions, sixty one

861
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: percent through the air, something like that, you're winning games.

862
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like we graded on a curve

863
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Speaker 1: when you're talking about a team like a Rutgers or

864
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, because these are programs that have been down

865
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: and out really bad, really bad over the last five

866
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: years or so, and so you know, at least in

867
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 1: the immediate short term, it's going to take a little

868
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: bit to ramp these programs up. To what degree that

869
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: remains to be seen. But at least with Shiano, we

870
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: know that he knows the lay of the land. Sometimes

871
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: it's really overvalued. In most cases it is in this case,

872
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think Shiano is coming back

873
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: to the place that he knows. He obviously built a

874
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: pretty successful program there previously and that helps. And look,

875
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 1: they were more organized this past year. They were not

876
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: to use a phrase that just said about Arkansas a

877
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: total disaster. They put it together. They were very close

878
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: to beating Michigan, could have beaten Michigan in that game.

879
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: So I think there were bright spots.

880
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 2: I can find you six wins on the twenty twenty

881
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 2: one schedule. Yeah, so I'm looking at it right now.

882
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: Temple Syracuse, Delaware. I mean shout out to the Blue

883
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: Hens obviously, of course, and always Michigan State, Illinois, Maryland

884
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: and whatever the Hell, Wisconsin, Indiana, Penn State. There's all

885
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 2: sorts of toss ups. What does Northwestern look like with

886
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 2: a new quarterback? I A decently efficient Rutgers team with

887
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 2: a couple of breaks is a ball team in twenty

888
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: twenty one? That's crazy.

889
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 1: So I feel pretty good. Sunshine pumping March one. I

890
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 1: give you one final coach if you want, I would

891
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: love one. Let's talk about David Randa. Can you do

892
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: the voice post? Oh, I would love to. I'm Dave Randa.

893
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk Baylor two and seven at Baylor.

894
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 2: We're skipping Mike Leach, or ski about Mike Leach, or.

895
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: Skipped on Mike Leach.

896
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

897
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Uh, Dave Randa.

898
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 2: M hm.

899
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: Let's talk Dave Randa. Two and seven at Baylor. The

900
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: recruiting did improve from year one to year two. I

901
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: was not high on the Bears going into last season,

902
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 1: and boy was I right about that.

903
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: For the most part. Yeah. I was higher and I

904
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 2: was wrong. Oh well, you know they were.

905
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: Charlie Brewer again just kind of running for his life.

906
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: That's been the story of his college career. Zeota quarterback,

907
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: Utah quarterback. Thank you, literally running out of Baylor. Yeah, Randa,

908
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: I feel like still has really good long term prospects.

909
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: I like the that he's put around him. I do

910
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: think it's going to take some time to ramp that

911
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: program up. So this is another situation where I don't

912
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: necessarily think that year one was very representative. I know

913
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: all of these schools were in the unenviable position of

914
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: essentially starting over amid a pandemic, not being able to

915
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 1: get some of those organized team activities together, meeting face

916
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: to face, going over playbooks on the field instead of

917
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: on zoom calls, so on and so forth. I get

918
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: that everyone here was in a very similar situation, but

919
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: it was such a reboot that I felt like Baylor

920
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: really would have benefited, like it's obvious, but would have

921
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: benefited so so much more and maybe gotten off to

922
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:50,919
Speaker 1: a much better start if they actually had that face

923
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: time with the new coach and new coaches. So I

924
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 1: remain high on Baylor. I'm certainly not high on last season,

925
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 1: though last season was a mess.

926
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 2: I am I think once again up on Baylor, and

927
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 2: the reason is to me, you look at their schedule,

928
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: you watch their games, and I rewatched some of the

929
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 2: latter parts of their year. Now, if they could only

930
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 2: play schools in Kansas. That would be amazing, they would

931
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 2: be set. That was their only wins in twenty twenty.

932
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,839
Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is with what they

933
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: had to replace on defense, with how much of a

934
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 2: nightmare their offense was essentially for all of last year,

935
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: the fact that they were battling against Iowa State, against Oklahoma,

936
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,919
Speaker 2: they made things very, very difficult for Oklahoma. I'm sure

937
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 2: the Oklahoma State loss they got just demolished by the Pokes,

938
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: but you know, the Tech loss, I mean, you know,

939
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: it's heartbreaking. But the fact is they were competing, they

940
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 2: were fighting, and it clearly wasn't working out with Larry Fedora,

941
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 2: and they made a change. They did not let something fester.

942
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: David Randon did not let if that was just a

943
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: bad mix, whatever it was, He's not gonna like, well,

944
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: let's see if it improved, Like okay, if it's a

945
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 2: bad mix, do it now if you know you're going

946
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 2: to do it eventually. And he does. He makes a

947
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 2: change of offense, change at offensive coordinator. So I'm I

948
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,399
Speaker 2: think I'm just I'm in on Dave Randa. I think

949
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 2: he has been thoughtful about waiting for the right place

950
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: and in terms of quarterback of the future, we'll see

951
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: they've got well regarded guys at quarterbacks, but it's not

952
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 2: clear that somebody is that guy moving forward and that

953
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: you know, that guy can be developed by this specific

954
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: staff in this specific system. But even when they were

955
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 2: succeeding two years ago with Matt Rule, it wasn't on

956
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: the back of an explosive offense. So if they if

957
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 2: this offense is good enough to service the defense, which

958
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 2: we assume will continue to improve, I think I'm good

959
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: with an up and up Baylor. Yeah, I am all right.

960
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,879
Speaker 1: We will talk at some other point about a couple

961
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: of the other coaches that we left drink wits. Yeah, each.

962
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: I don't know I'm saying it like that, but I

963
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 2: I am all right.

964
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: Well, right in, let us know your thoughts soliverable at

965
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Don't forget to check out for Ballers

966
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: dot com again. That's the Patreon where you can find

967
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: some of the cool bonus stuff that we are about

968
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 1: to start ramping up. Daniel, Yeah, did.

969
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 2: You have any questions about the birth? Did you have

970
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: any other follow ups? How's Jody with an I feeling

971
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 2: pretty good all things considered. I mean, she was incredible

972
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 2: in the hospital. I am just in awe of what

973
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: women go through to have a kid.

974
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: Are we playing the food Fighters again? That's we're playing

975
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: food fighters? I am, Yeah, I am.

976
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: This is more of a finger picking version, right, can

977
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: you finger pick on that?

978
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: I can't.

979
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you hear me doing it?

980
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: I hear it, but I I can't tell if it's

981
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: a recording. It sounds wonderful.

982
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 2: No, that's me so yeah. I mean it's it's a miracle, right,

983
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: it's it's a childbirth. It's incredible. And I recommend it

984
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 2: to everybody who's interested in having kids. I recommend being

985
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: the dude. You just eat some food and encourage and coach.

986
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 2: That's the move.

987
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: So now you're gonna be switching up from the zone

988
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: defense where you've got numbers to manned a man, have

989
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: you and Jody with and I prepared for that.

990
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: It's almost a double team with the solid toddler at

991
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: over two years old, now just running a muck. I

992
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: think the solid baby is mostly just being ignored. I

993
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:29,440
Speaker 2: think it's you remember the Memphis Grizzly player who just

994
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: was a defensive specialist and everybody left him alone? Was

995
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 2: his name? I think that's it's Tony. I'm totally blanking

996
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 2: and I remember watching it in Awe Memphis Grizzly Tony Allen, Tony.

997
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: Allen, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to feed the solid baby.

998
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: We're going to attend to his needs. But also we're

999
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: not going to be in his face like we were

1000
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: with number one, be like oh look at that heck up,

1001
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's sneeze.

1002
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 2: No, it's chasing the toddler around and checking in on

1003
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 2: the baby every so often, so he's getting the Tony

1004
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 2: Allen treatment right now.

1005
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, Well, I'm glad that everyone's doing well, and

1006
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 1: congratulations to you guys. It's really nothing like comparing a

1007
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: newborn to a defensive specialist. That's what we do here, Dan,

1008
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: you know that.

1009
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, in a different sport entirely from what we

1010
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: talk about on the show.

1011
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein.

1012
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: For myself, Tie Hillo Brand, thanks so much for downloading,

1013
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: for listening, for playing along with our madness. We will

1014
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: be back on Thursday. Q and A coming your way.

1015
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 1: Get those questions in. We'll post how on all of

1016
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: our social media channels in the meantime. For that Guy,

1017
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein and myself Tie Hildebrand. Thank you so much.

1018
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,360
Speaker 1: Talk to your students, say styling Hellllo. Peace,