1 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Hi, Oh are you Bethany. 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 2: I'm wonderful, nice to meet you. 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: So nice to meet you. A huge fan of yours. 4 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Thank you. Like I think likewise, I've seen you. 5 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 3: You're funny on TikTok, and I don't know that much 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 3: or enough about you, so I'm excited to find out myself. 7 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: But like I'm aware of you, but were you. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 3: I'm literally going blind because I'm not going blind. 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: I'm coming in blind. 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 3: I have all the information about you, but I kind 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 3: of like to only look at it if I need 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: to look at something on the test. So you were 13 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 3: on the bachelorette or a bachelor. 14 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 4: I was on the Bachelorette. So back in twenty eighteen, 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 4: I was on the Bachelorette. And before that, I was 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 4: in like the banking industry and took like a wild 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 4: detour into reality TV, which was very unexpected and like 18 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 4: definitely not I would say, like like like just my 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 4: buddies were like, what the hell you doing? 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: But I was on Bachelor in twenty eighteen, so it 21 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: was like seven. 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 3: Years ago, okay, And for some reason I thought you 23 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 3: were So you were financed to the bachelorette trajectory. 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: Not an athlete yeah. 25 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: Non athlete. 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 4: So I had my NBA in accounting and I played 27 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 4: college sports and stuff like that, but nothing professional I was. 28 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 4: I got an NBA in accounting and finance, and I 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 4: was like bopping around in the banking industry. And then 30 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 4: I did I actually, you know, you know Guilda Radner, 31 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 4: the comedian she got right, of course, she died of 32 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 4: ovarian cancer. 33 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 1: There's Guilda's club. 34 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: So there was a charity event and they did a 35 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 4: bachelor auction, and so at the bachelor auction, they had 36 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 4: thirty guys come up and people would bid on you 37 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 4: for date. The money would all go to the charity. 38 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: And so I did that sponsored by my employer, which 39 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 4: was the bank. But then when I got there, I 40 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 4: was like all right, if I'm gonna do this, let's 41 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: do this. And so all the guys were kind of 42 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: like going up a little like hey, you a bit 43 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 4: on me. 44 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: And I just started like stripping. I took my clothes off. 45 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah. 46 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 4: I got that crowd going and it was like that 47 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 4: video that got sent to ABC. And then it was 48 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 4: like nine months later. I didn't even live in I 49 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 4: was in upstate New York. They moved me out to Seattle. 50 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 4: I didn't even live in upstate anymore. Like, hey, we 51 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 4: got this video of you in Rochester, New York? Are 52 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 4: you still single? And would you be willing to come 53 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 4: on the show? And I was like, what the hell. 54 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 4: So that's how it all happened. 55 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: That's amazing. 56 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 3: And then so now you're a media personality, but you 57 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 3: still how much do you use your finance background? Like 58 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 3: how much is business playing into everything you're doing? I mean, 59 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 3: obviously everything is your business, but how is it being applied? 60 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 4: No, So what happened was I get off the show 61 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: and I didn't really know what to expect. People are like, 62 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 4: do you go on these reality shows to find love? 63 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 4: I think nine point nine out of ten people know 64 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 4: like you just go for many different reasons. For me, 65 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: I was just like, I'm done with this corporate banking thing. 66 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 4: I'm shot, let's do something different. And so after I 67 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 4: got off, I started to learn someone I joke around 68 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: as a weighted blanket deal that came to me and 69 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 4: they're like, we're gonna give you a fifteen grand to 70 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 4: post a photo with a way to. 71 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 2: Blank I love a way to blanket, by the way, Yeah. 72 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 4: I mean it makes you feel comfortable thing. But I 73 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 4: was just like, what this is two thousand and eight. 74 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 4: I'm like, what the hell is this? 75 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: What do you mean? 76 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 4: And I was like I get to keep what percent 77 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 4: of this for a photo? And so that's why I 78 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 4: kind of like learned the industry and I was like, 79 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: there's something here. And for a year I was like 80 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 4: working with CFOs of companies that earn hundreds of millions 81 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 4: of dollars and billions of dollars and then on weekends 82 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: doing like appearances to like cash in and do social 83 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 4: media stuff. And then after a year, I was like, 84 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 4: this business is is too big to ignore. So I 85 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 4: stepped into the finance and career navigation side of the 86 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 4: business with my platform that was derived from social media, 87 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: and I have never looked back. I haven't been in 88 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 4: banking since. I wrote two books. One's on love and money, 89 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 4: one is on career navigation, like being on the road 90 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 4: you imagine as opposed to the road and the blueprint 91 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 4: that life puts us on. 92 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: I started. 93 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: I started an agency, so we manage about eighty to 94 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 4: eighty five different public figures exclusively. 95 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: What you do. 96 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: What's the agency called. 97 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: It's called URTM rewired talent management and you. 98 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: Guys met so you're running that that's your main day 99 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 3: to day because that. 100 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: Sounds the agency is honestly. 101 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 4: So, I have a podcast called Trading Secrets, and what 102 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 4: we do is we talk all about money and pop culture, 103 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 4: so real housewives, it could be a Rod Gronk, it 104 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 4: could be one of the sharks from Shark Tank. Can 105 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: we talk about like where do you make your money? 106 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 4: How where do you lose your money? And so I 107 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 4: do one episode every single year where I talk exactly 108 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 4: how much money I've made and still my number one 109 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,679 Speaker 4: income source and I know you talk a lot about 110 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 4: it is my own creator pages. It's been a seven 111 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 4: figure business since since two thousand. But the profitability on 112 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 4: that is still larger than the agency is. There's so 113 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 4: much cost with an agency and. 114 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 2: What is it? 115 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's it's not direct to consumer. It's like 116 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 3: it's more bulky, more weeds, more infrastructure. 117 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: What about exactly? 118 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: So what is is it? 119 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: Brand deals or is there some creative way that you've 120 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 3: come up with making money like other anythings you're gatekeeping? 121 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know gatekeeping, I wouldn't say, but 122 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 4: the thing is we're a boutique, so we'll represent talent directly. 123 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: No for you. 124 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 3: You you said you are making the most on your 125 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: creator pages. I'm saying you personally, Yeah, what's what's the 126 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: thing on on content creation? It's brand deals, it's the products, 127 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: Like what's the what's the biggest rain maker? 128 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 4: So the biggest I mean, like I joke around about it. 129 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 4: I call it like my Coldgate model. And the Coldgate 130 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 4: model was you get off the show, you have a 131 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 4: ton of relevancy from whatever's happening, and Coldgate will come 132 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 4: to you with a toothpaste deal or a tooth brush deal, 133 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 4: and everyone brushes their teeth. So you get a good 134 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: rate and you do the deal and you get paid. 135 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: Well. 136 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 4: The problem with the Coldgate deal is the next season, 137 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 4: the next show, your relevancy isn't the same, Your following 138 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 4: is not the same, maybe your community is not the same. 139 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 4: Everyone's got teeth, everyone brushes them. And after there was 140 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 4: a year that happened where I don't know if you 141 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 4: know Tyler Cameron, I joke around, like, you figure, he's taller, 142 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 4: he's better looking. He comes on the next season and 143 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 4: he gets the Coldgate deal, and now my rate's down 144 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 4: and That's where I was like, I got to do 145 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 4: something to figure out how to build sustainability in some 146 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 4: form of niche. And that's why I jumped into this 147 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 4: specific niche of the finance and career navigation. And I 148 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 4: recognize that there aren't many business creators out there, finance 149 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 4: creators that have a ninety five percent women following that 150 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 4: also can touch lanes of pop culture and business. And 151 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 4: that's where I was able to differentiate with majority of 152 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 4: the deals I'm doing are like in the Fortune one 153 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 4: hundred Fortune five hundred companies, but they're all different integrations. 154 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 4: It could be appearances, it could be speaking, could be commercial, yes, 155 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 4: it could be in real think. 156 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: A little bit of crame the guy you know, the 157 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 3: guy from CNBC Kramer, Susie Orman, you know that type 158 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 3: of thing where you're giving people like advice and how 159 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: to invest. But the eye candy and being attractive is 160 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: good because the women are like listening, they're paying attention. 161 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 4: I'll take it. Yeah, But it's also one oh one. 162 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 4: It's like making things a little bit more relatable, like 163 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 4: S and P. Five hundred majority I did a poll. 164 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 4: I was like, tell me right now, S in P. 165 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: Five hundreds crash and tell me, you know, if you 166 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 4: could explain it in three sentences, and ninety one percent 167 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 4: of my two hundred and fifty thousand people that responded 168 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 4: said they couldn't do it. So instead of making that 169 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 4: a complicated subject with which most people do in finance, 170 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 4: I think it's it's set up to create kind of 171 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: like bullshit. So it sounds confusing, but it's not. I'll 172 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: just be like, all right, imagine you go to a 173 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 4: grocery store, right, instead of getting like one item, you're 174 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: gonna get fifteen different items in your basket. And essentially 175 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: that sp five hundred is just imagine five hundred different 176 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 4: items at the grocery store that are a little piece 177 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 4: of each company in the five hundred biggest companies in 178 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: the country, and so you'll own that whole basket as 179 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 4: opposed to just owning one stock. So I don't know, 180 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 4: making things like that. 181 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: Like you explained like Berkshire Hathaway and like a fund 182 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: and like what they're invested in things like that exactly. 183 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 2: So where are you on bitcoin? 184 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 4: On bitcoin, I mean, it's the administration right now is 185 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 4: very favorable for bitcoin. 186 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: I think it's it's very favorable. 187 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: Well, for Trump exactly. But it's very it's it's very 188 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: it's a deregulated market. 189 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 4: I honestly don't own I don't have any exposure anymore 190 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 4: to bitcoin, which I'm starting to think twice about. 191 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: But like, I'm not a I'm not like a huge, 192 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: huge crypto guy. Are you? Are you into the crypto game? 193 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: I don't understand it, but I have some just because 194 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: I have some diversification and want to not miss it 195 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: if you know, nothing crazy as it. Proportionally, I am invested. 196 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 3: I personally invest in real estate. I own four homes, 197 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 3: which is a lot for a person with you know, 198 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 3: just me and my daughter. But and I obviously am 199 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 3: heavily invested in the stock market and a lot of 200 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: other things, but and businesses. But I do love personal 201 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: real estate because you can use it. And I've been 202 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: extraordinarily successful and profitable in that in that because you're 203 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 3: buying it for yourself and so you have a dual 204 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,359 Speaker 3: intention when you're purchasing every single time. 205 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 4: Is someone who is in the creator game because for 206 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 4: myself and my agency, but also obviously you are too, 207 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: Like there's so much change in it and with the 208 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 4: CpG brands that you've brought to life and exited like what, 209 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 4: I don't know. You're seeing Poppy, You're seeing a lot 210 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 4: of nutrition Celsius, now you're seeing AI creators. Like where 211 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,559 Speaker 4: do you think this whole world of like the creator 212 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 4: game is going as it connects to business because yours 213 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 4: and your socials are blowing up. 214 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: It's crazy every day. 215 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they are blowing up. 216 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 3: I think I still think, well, there will be something 217 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 3: very original about individuals versus AI, like people, you know, 218 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 3: you can't you can clone a dog, but like it's 219 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 3: not your dog, you know. I mean, so it's like 220 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 3: AI is like cloning something or a person in a 221 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 3: way or kind. But I don't think it can completely 222 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: replace a person. But it is scary. I mean, there 223 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 3: have been quotes out there that people think came for me, 224 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 3: and you can sort of just tell, you know, but 225 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: it'll get smarter and smarter. I'm invested in Steve Cohen's 226 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 3: AI fund because he's a friend of mine and I'm 227 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: a crowdsourcer, and then I ultimately make my own decision 228 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: of many things. If it's marketing, if it's products, if 229 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 3: it's direct to consumer, if it's communication, it's one hundred 230 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: percent me. 231 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: If it's content, it's me. 232 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: If it's something like bitcoin that I don't understand or 233 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: AI that I don't understand per se fully, and a 234 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 3: couple of people are saying you should get into this 235 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 3: or you should invest in this, then I'll figure out 236 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: who the best person is. And because I'm friends with 237 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 3: Steve and Alex Cohen and I'm invested in their other fund. 238 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: If he's doing something, if he's if he's starting a 239 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: clown school, I'm investing. So that's why I'm invested in 240 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 3: the AI fund with him. 241 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a good guy to follow. 242 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 4: What's what's your take out all the obviously so much 243 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 4: as reality TV. I mean I'm just curious, like what 244 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 4: do you think about do you I got my start 245 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 4: on reality TV into the space, what like do you 246 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 4: think reality TV is? 247 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,359 Speaker 1: Like? Are you bullish or bearish. 248 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 2: On the barity? No, this is the thing. 249 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 3: I've always been pretty good at knowing when to leave 250 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 3: a party, and it's usually before it really like it 251 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 3: feels like it's popping off, but I feel like it's 252 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: getting tired, and that's just who I am socially. Also, 253 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 3: it's like when it's about to like be at the 254 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 3: full peak. I'm like, I did it. 255 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 2: We did it. 256 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 3: And that's how I was for Reality TV. The first 257 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 3: time I left because it just was toxic. But I 258 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 3: came back because I knew it wasn't over and I 259 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 3: missed the connection to the audience. The second time I left, 260 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: I still you know, I looked at the other people 261 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 3: that stayed and I was like, you guys are on 262 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: the Poseidon adventure, like you going the wrong way. And 263 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: you would have thought I was leaving millions of dollars 264 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 3: for a couple of months work when I left, and 265 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 3: you would have thought I thought too, like wow, you know, 266 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 3: my business managers are like, why aren't you just taking 267 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: this for another couple of seasons? And I didn't have 268 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: these big goals of what I'm doing now. I left 269 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 3: to work on my charity and do the podcast and 270 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: just like tone it down a little. I was in 271 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 3: a relationship and didn't want to be there. I just 272 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: didn't want. 273 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: To be there. 274 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 3: It was soul crushing and I thought it was gross. 275 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 3: And now everything's derivative, everything's a remix. I mean, I 276 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: remember the first photoshoot really on Reality TV was my 277 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 3: Social Life photo shooting, like charity events and all these 278 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 3: things that now are like the formula or you know, 279 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 3: the arguments were so low stakes then and they were 280 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 3: so entertaining because Kelly Bensone saying I'm up here and 281 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: you're down here, like broke what was barely the Internet 282 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 3: at the time, and now you have to be doing 283 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: something so vile and people are turned off. You know, 284 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 3: people are turned off. It's just it's on its last legs. 285 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: In many ways, there's not that much to do. The 286 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 3: ratings are down. It seems tragic. I was out with 287 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: a pretty big celebrity recently and they were talking about 288 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 3: reality TV, and I'm like, what is it now? 289 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: Like what is the Housewives now? 290 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: They're like, it's just very desperate, and because I can't 291 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 3: see it for what it is because I don't watch 292 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 3: it and it's not on my radar anymore. 293 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: It's like four boyfriends ago. 294 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: It feels like that X that used to think about 295 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: all the time, and then they're like three four boyfriends ago. 296 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: You don't really think about them at all. They might, 297 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: you know, once a year. 298 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 3: So I don't know, and I think that they did 299 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: push the envelope too much, which is what the really 300 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 3: reality Reckoning was about. I think they got you know, 301 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: it's cool till it's not. It's like there's a day 302 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 3: that it breaks, and it's like people get what it is. 303 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 3: So I don't know, it's hard to advise people and 304 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,040 Speaker 3: they ask if they should go on. 305 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: I wouldn't even know how to. 306 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 3: So many people in it and so many products, and 307 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: the formula has been sort of out there. 308 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 2: What do you think? 309 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 4: I think it's completely oversaturated. But I do think there's 310 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 4: like one or two shows that pop every single year, 311 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 4: and the people that are on those shows are benefiting 312 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 4: in like insane ways. 313 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: Right. 314 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: They're going, well, like Love Island is the thing, right now, 315 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 3: love Island? 316 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 4: Right, So like you went out a bartender who made 317 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 4: who's their their career AND's good for that. But they're like, 318 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 4: let's say it's fifty grand and they go on the show. 319 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 4: They're having fun, they're getting crazy, they're doing their thing, 320 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 4: and then the next year they're going to make five million, 321 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 4: Like that's a real thing. 322 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 2: Well right, And I guess, yeah, I guess I don't 323 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 2: know that much. Like I guess yeah. 324 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 3: Vander Pump Rules has peaked and crashed, but like Summer 325 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 3: house or the houses. 326 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 2: I guess those do well. And then Love Island. 327 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're talking about exceptions, of course, there are 328 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: exceptions to start up center, exceptions to going to Hollywood 329 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 3: and being an actor too and being successful. I'm just saying, 330 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 3: by and large, before everybody was crushing it, and now 331 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: I think it's very specific examples. 332 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: I think that's the crazy thing about like social you 333 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 4: bring up Hollywood. Like I saw there's a post the 334 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 4: other day and it was what is Timothy shall May 335 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 4: and Kylie Jenner and they're saying on his last video 336 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: how many hours it took and how many days? And 337 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 4: it was it was extensive and I think he got 338 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 4: paid three million dollars for that, but Kylie Jenner makes 339 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 4: three million on three posts, which you know how much 340 00:14:57,960 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 4: time does that? 341 00:14:58,800 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: And that's where the world changed. 342 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 3: So now we're getting to so this is for me 343 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 3: like all the time, it almost all the time, does 344 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: somebody else in the entertainment industry who's pretty big or 345 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 3: famous say to me like we should do a show together, 346 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: And I'm always thinking, and then the audience is always like, 347 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 3: when are you gonna do a show again? When are 348 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: you back on my TV? And there's no numb you 349 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: can't pay. They can't find a number that a TV 350 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: show could pay me to. Go today, Go into the city, 351 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: put some makeup on, go to a conference room. Meet 352 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 3: some suits that's on the forty seventh floor that took 353 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 3: a fucking security path to get in there. Walk up there, 354 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 3: sit down. Let these suits pretend they know what's gonna sell. 355 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: Tell me, eh, we're not really doing that. That's not 356 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: doing that. Well these network executives that are literally mid 357 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 3: level and negation. Okay, then we're gonna decide we're gonna 358 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 3: let's say we're gonna do it. We're gonna do it 359 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: four months from Thursday. We're gonna No, first we have 360 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 3: to sell it to the network, you know, these are 361 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 3: the executives. But then able to sell it, then in 362 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: four months, we're gonna you know, we said yes, we'll 363 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 3: fast track that contract. That's going to take three months. 364 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 3: Four months, we're gonna get up and start filming. But wait, 365 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: there's more. Let's bulky film and put makeup on every 366 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: day for three months to film it. Then let's have 367 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: it end. Then let's wait six months, but wait, there's more. 368 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 3: Then in six months, let's go do a press tour 369 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 3: for a week that Today's but fuck that? 370 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: Fuck that? Yeah? 371 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 2: Or I could just. 372 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: Post a video last week of me and Miami and 373 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 3: get millions of views, or go to Chanelle get rejected 374 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 3: and have two hundred and fifty million views on. 375 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 4: That, right, And you think about the numbers up. So 376 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 4: even if you do all that bullshit what you just said, 377 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 4: and then you actually get it to network, what are 378 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 4: the ratings going to be and how many views are 379 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 4: you going to get? And you could do that and 380 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 4: pump that out in three to four videos. I just wonder, 381 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: like with your content, Like where the thing I admire 382 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: about you is you just don't give a shit. And 383 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 4: I'm just like a boy, you just don't give a shit. 384 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 4: But I'm like, how do you? 385 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: Like? 386 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 4: You'll trash brands, but you'll build them up. You'll take 387 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 4: people out, but you'll you'll most people like you just 388 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 4: don't care, Like, how do you in this space? I 389 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 4: think anyone that's listening to this, like you have to 390 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 4: be on social and any you could be a teacher, 391 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 4: not for profit, or you could be trying to run 392 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 4: for president United States. Like the impact of social today 393 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 4: in every single position is so important. But where like 394 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 4: I feel like your line of I don't give a 395 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 4: shit is just like it's here, it does. There is 396 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 4: no line you're gonna get a hot. 397 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 3: Do you drop a long a line because I don't. 398 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 3: The way something is said is critical. And in the 399 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: past I've said some things that have hit sideways because 400 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 3: of the way that they were said, and it just 401 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 3: didn't need to be said that way. So I'm going 402 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 3: to first of all, not everything needs to be said, 403 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,919 Speaker 3: but I'm going to say it if I have a 404 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: strong opinion about it, but it's about the way that 405 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 3: it is said. 406 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: And also if you go and you really do dig, 407 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: it will come. 408 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: Someone might perceive that I'm trashing someone because I'm saying 409 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 3: that I don't agree with something that somebody did. But 410 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 3: you'll never find me criticizing someone's physical appearance, their sexuality, height, 411 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: their you know, I won't just give a blind like 412 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: that person's a loser. 413 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: I would. I would not. 414 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 3: So like I'm saying, who in the hell is advising 415 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:14,120 Speaker 3: this person? How could they make this? I'm talking about 416 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 3: their business decision, their marketing decision, they're what they said decision. 417 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: So it's always it's always something that may be perceived 418 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 3: because somebody disagrees with me or they like the person 419 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 3: as me trashing that, but it's never actually below the belt. 420 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: It's never actually me trashing. It's my opinion of what 421 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 3: they have chosen to do as a public figure or 422 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 3: a public brand. 423 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: That makes sense. 424 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 4: But even like it, like the like the Baldoni case, 425 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 4: I saw you kind of get into it a little 426 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 4: yeah and you and like you'll start the video with 427 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 4: like I might get canceled for this? Do you ever 428 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 4: have to deal with the reaper cushions of what you're saying? 429 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 4: And like, I don't know, like the just the legality 430 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 4: of it. 431 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: It's not real. 432 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: And like I had a big actor call me who 433 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 3: was freaking out because they were being dragged on social 434 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: on like one account but it got a million views 435 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,679 Speaker 3: and they were like do should I go comment? 436 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: Should I say something? Should I go? 437 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: You know, because I could call the posters, are you 438 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 3: on your fucking what are you talking about? Even saying 439 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: like are you new? No, shut the fuck up, it's 440 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: not even real, and he was like wait, but well 441 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 3: I was like, no, it's not real. Just stop. You 442 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 3: call me in two days that this thing hasn't rinsed out. 443 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 3: Nobody cares. 444 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: It's not important. 445 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 3: And I've done that with pretty big people on social 446 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 3: that have like ten million, twenty million real followers, and 447 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 3: I've advised them because I feel like I could see 448 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: things from a marketing and like messaging perspective pretty clearly. 449 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 2: So I'm going to prove it. 450 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 3: So JLO was dragged and canceled, just headlined the AMA 451 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 3: killed it. 452 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: How's that? 453 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 2: Kaylee Bieber? 454 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: You would have thought her career was over her versus 455 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 3: Selena her doing this with justin her, you know, like 456 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 3: something she posted, like something about her skincare canceled, she's done, 457 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 3: Haley Baby's or she's a billionaire now, Like it's not 458 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 3: real and you got to just hold onto the steering 459 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: wheel not too tight and you can't let go. 460 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 4: But there's some I think there's there's something that is 461 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 4: I think there's something real happening right now, which I'm 462 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 4: curious your take on since we're here. Like if you 463 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: go back seventeen seventy six, you go back hundreds of 464 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 4: years ago when there was an argument, right Alexander Hamilton, 465 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 4: you go do a duel, you walk across each other, 466 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: you take ten steps, you shoot each other, you put 467 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 4: your hand up, like that's how it worked these days. 468 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 4: Obviously that's not the case, but there. I think what 469 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: you're starting to see now is character assassination in ways 470 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 4: that it's like kind of the same type of vibe, 471 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 4: but the attempt of teams trying to cancel other teams, 472 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,679 Speaker 4: which could be it's sometimes the equivalent of literally like 473 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 4: a killing someone like you can assassinate with Like I 474 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 4: think you're starting to see it now that like teams 475 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 4: in these like groups of mobs can assassinate someone's character 476 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 4: so much online that it could it could wipe them up. 477 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 4: I mean, do you agree with that? 478 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: I mean it depends on it depends on the foundation. 479 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 3: If they're only frosting, like they became famous last year, 480 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 3: get lights Out. But if they're like if it's cake, 481 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 3: you know, like whatever it is with Lake Lively, like 482 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 3: she she's been in this industry. 483 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 2: For a while. There is cake. 484 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 3: There there are movies, There are met galiluks, there is beauty, 485 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 3: there is gossip girl. There are many generations you're talking 486 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: to at different stages of you know this this ladder 487 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 3: and so she was a time most fascinating person. Now 488 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 3: Candice Owens will say she paid for something and she 489 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 3: gave what. 490 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. 491 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 3: They've moved ticket sales in the world, the two of them, 492 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 3: so you know they're still here. Have they ramped him 493 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: up and did he become more relevant? 494 00:21:59,760 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 495 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, but like you know, these two went to that 496 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 3: SNL thing. It kept us talking. Jlo hosted the AMAS 497 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: like a cat, So they're strong people. These people didn't 498 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: get to be a less celebrities by not being strong. 499 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: And like I said, Haley's weathered a storm or two too. 500 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: So I'm not gonna bet against Blake Lively or Justin 501 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: baldoniate this way. But I'm definitely not betting against Ryan 502 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: Reynolds and Blake Lively. Am I allowed to say that 503 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: this thing is like a fucker East sideways for all 504 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 3: these different reasons that I have institutional knowledge on because 505 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: I've literally know both their teams and have heard from 506 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 3: both their teams in different ways when I was speaking 507 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 3: about this. Yeah, but uh, there are very few people 508 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 3: who I'm going to be like call the fight. It's 509 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 3: I mean without criminal activity, because people are so over cancelation. 510 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: Cancelation has been canceled, so without criminal activity. It's hard 511 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 3: to really cancel someone who is at has was at 512 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 3: the top of their game unless it's something real. 513 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: So is there I mean, I don't know. 514 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 4: I grew up in a space that like, at least 515 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,680 Speaker 4: I was taught by parent My parents is like take 516 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 4: the high road and you know, lead with integrity and class. 517 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 4: I feel like we live in a world now, in 518 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 4: social and in life. And to your point, it's like 519 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 4: a lot of what you're saying too is like when 520 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 4: you create the headline and you're the cake, it's fine, 521 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: it's probably gonna propel you, not hurt you. You'll be 522 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 4: in the game. But today it feels like kindness can 523 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 4: be mistaken for weakness and almost like not stepping into 524 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 4: like conflict can actually beat the shit out of you. 525 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 4: And like I've always been someone that like step whether 526 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 4: it's an X or something like that, I've always stepped 527 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 4: away from it. I'm always kind of like say about no, 528 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 4: I'm just not gonna I'm not gonna step into it. 529 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 4: But you're someone that like you're a bulldog, You're right 530 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 4: in there. 531 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: You know you could do. 532 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 3: It either way if you I've seen this on social 533 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 3: media with people that are very famous on social and 534 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 3: then I've seen it with people that are very mainstream famous, 535 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 3: like I don't know why, I just jumped into my mind, 536 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 3: like Drew Barrymore, and the fact that there show went 537 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 3: back on during the pandemic, like that was the most 538 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 3: important thing in the world. Her choice, like because people 539 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 3: are bored and there's a feeding friends and you say, 540 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 3: they want to jump into that, and it felt real 541 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 3: for her in the moment, and she felt they need 542 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 3: to make a statement, which doubled down and made it worse. 543 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: And it happens with other people. 544 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: So you either come in and you give the statement 545 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 3: and then you made the statement, they hate it they 546 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 3: like it, or you keep going, or you completely gaslight it. 547 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 3: You just don't add gas to the fire. You let 548 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 3: it rinse a little once in a while. You put 549 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 3: in something that is like just so you're still alive. 550 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 3: Otherwise you like the bully that got beaten down. Ooh, 551 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 3: the bully doesn't come out anymore. You can't be I mean, 552 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 3: the bullied one can't come out. It doesn't come out anymore. 553 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 3: So you have to be someone who like tiptoes in 554 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: and just is like doing content light when you're in 555 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: the middle of that, or you hit them and you're like, fuck, 556 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 3: fuck it, this is what happened. 557 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: I'm saying this. Now we're gonna move the fuck on, 558 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: and then you just keep going. Either way it works. 559 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: But cancelation is canceled unless it's criminal activity, unless you've 560 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 3: done something horribly horribly wrong. 561 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: Have you ever almost been canceled? 562 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 3: Not full on, because I do think I have a 563 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 3: bit of cake too, But I had one incident where 564 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 3: I said something and it was at the wrong time 565 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 3: and it was a little early. I've said many things 566 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 3: that are early, but I've not said anything that has 567 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 3: not come around to be true eventually. Like so I 568 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 3: said something early and then lost a couple hundred thousand 569 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 3: dollars in brand deals in like one day, and it 570 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 3: felt very real. But I was on the inside of TikTok. No, 571 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: that was not TikTok. That was on Twitter. But one 572 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 3: time I was on the inside of TikTok thinking everything 573 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 3: was real. At the same time while selling a book 574 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 3: and my book agent didn't even know what was going 575 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 3: on because I was like in Florida, thinking the storm 576 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: that's happening in Florida and Miami is happening in New 577 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: York and they were like, what are you talking about? 578 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 3: Because I have dual residency. They're on Instagram. They're over 579 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: on Instagram where I have a residency also, and they're like, 580 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 3: what are you talking about? So TikTok's fucked up in 581 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 3: that way. It's very intense. 582 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: What do you mean when you say early you're early 583 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: to something? What does that mean? 584 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: I said something about someone that people hadn't jumped on 585 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 3: and figured out for themselves yet, that the society and 586 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 3: the media hadn't caught up to me yet. Happens a 587 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 3: lot like like if someone had said Harvey Weinstein's a 588 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 3: piece of shit, or any of these people in Hollywood 589 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 3: that I know from growing up in Hollywood that they're 590 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: all who the scumbags are because I've seen them live 591 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 3: and direct. So then you have a list actresses acting 592 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 3: like after doing seventy six movies with these people, I 593 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 3: never saw it, Like, it's like, shut up, it's not true. 594 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: Why is everyone so quiet? 595 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: Like? 596 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: Is it quiet? 597 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 4: Just it is it scared minds for impact of a 598 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 4: reputation and career. 599 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 3: Yes, because most of them this is not their primary 600 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,479 Speaker 3: source of income. So they're like in a more mainstream world, 601 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 3: and it's scary over here. You got to know how 602 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 3: to drive the car. 603 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: That's a hard car to drive. 604 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 3: I said, I would imagine you've been good. You're good 605 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: at that. I don't know about that much about you. 606 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 3: You seem like you'd be okay about that little nervous. 607 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: You're more cautious than I am. 608 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely more cautiously. I mean I have. 609 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, if you gave me a scale of like 610 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 4: a G to R rated, I would say, like, my 611 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 4: shit's like PG, like at the amazing. 612 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 2: PG, And what do you think I am? 613 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: I would say, well, yeah, you're a triple act. I'm scared. 614 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,680 Speaker 1: I would say, you're like PG thirteen, you're 615 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 3: Fuck with R, right, Yeah, up with R.