1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: for tuning in. This is part two of our Ridiculous 4 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: History of Last Meals. 5 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: And if I may extend a heartfelt apology to Jonathan 6 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 2: trick Let the Quist for implying that you would eat 7 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: human flesh for his last meal. I hope you know 8 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: that was a joke. Jonathan's a pescatarian. I don't think 9 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: humans fall into that range of cuisine for not for 10 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: our pelic quist, or at least it could be that 11 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: lab grown artificial human meat that isn't really thingfu. Yeah. 12 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: We also want to say a big, big thing shout 13 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: out to our guest producer Paul Wygoo as well as 14 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: our producer mister Max Williams. You're an old brown. I'm 15 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: been bowling. This is part two of our series. And 16 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: uh man, this is a roller coaster. 17 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: Speaking of roller coaster, let's roll that beautiful bean footage. 18 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: This notion that it's like somehow some kind of rorshack 19 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: tests you know, I guess into the psyche of of 20 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: of this individual, or at the very least people are 21 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: like you know, as is evidenced by the absolute absurd 22 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: in my opinion, popularity of true crime. People are just 23 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: like absolutely obsessed with like humanizing the inhuman, you know 24 00:01:57,560 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: what I mean, like like in some way getting inside 25 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: the mind of a cold killer. And when you realize 26 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: that they like they like pizza too. I like pizza, 27 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: you know. I mean, maybe I'm overstating it or being 28 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: a little globe, but I do feel like that obsession 29 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 2: with this stuff is a bit toxic, you know, and 30 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: it's not my favorite. And you know, when we talk 31 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: about this stuff on stuff they don't want you to know, 32 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 2: or on this show, it comes up from time to time. 33 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: We're never trying to like, I. 34 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: Don't know, like or whatever. 35 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 2: You're exploited. And this does inherently feel the obsession with 36 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: this a little exploitive. 37 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're talking about you know, absolute monsters, right, 38 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: spree killers, mass murderers, serial murderers. This, this does become 39 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: red meat for the public because people are interested in 40 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: food and crime. And you nailed it, man, There's this 41 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: aspect of it that gets really close to a rorshack 42 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: test or in rams or astrology, reading tea leaves and saying, 43 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: how can I what if any unique insight does this 44 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: give us about someone like John Wayne Gacy asked for 45 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: shrimp fried chicken, french fries and a pound of strawberries. 46 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: It's similar, you know, it's similar to the gray market 47 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: trade in serial killer memorabilia a little bit, you know 48 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: what I mean? 49 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, And like you know, I mean, no, I guess food. 50 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was McDonald's french fry and 51 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: someone got there there those things never decay. 52 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 3: I don't know if you know this, but there was. 53 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 2: I believe I might have even been in that pretty 54 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: debunked documentary Supersized Me, where it turns out Morgan Spurlock, 55 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: who did pass away recently, no Shae on the on 56 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: the deceased, but there were some things about that that 57 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 2: were very disingenuous in terms of like his you know, 58 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: expose of McDonald's or whatever. But one thing that always 59 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 2: sticks stuck with me and I have found to be 60 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: true is that McDonald's french fries don't like, they don't rot, 61 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: they don't kay, they don't mold, they just kind of crystallized. 62 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: So someone could have gotten their hands. I wanted John 63 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 2: Wayne Gacy's left over French fries. And like you know, 64 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: sold it for a bunch of money on the gray market. 65 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: Oh that's terrible. Oh gosh, that is terrible. I did 66 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: not think of that. 67 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: We also know Timothy McVeigh, the infamous bomber ate two 68 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: pints of mint chocolate chip ice cream. There is one 69 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: story that stood out to me speaking of the humanity 70 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: sometimes found in these broken systems. A convict in Tennessee 71 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: named Philip Workman was on death row and he requested 72 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: that he requested a last meal, not for himself. He 73 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: wanted vegetarian pizzas to be distributed to homeless shelters in Nashville, Tennessee. 74 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: The prison officials denied his request, but local activist groups 75 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 1: got together and they handed out hundreds of pizzas to 76 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: Nashville homeless shelters, as a story in CNN in two 77 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: thousand and seven by Ashley fans fan tz, So do. 78 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: Check that out. 79 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: We know there are a lot of limits in multiple states. 80 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: For instance, in Oklahoma, the laws on the books, because 81 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: I believe they stand now say quote, reasonable effort should 82 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: be made to accommodate a request which shall not exceed 83 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: twenty five dollars. 84 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: Dang no boluga caviar for old Timmy McVeigh. Yes, God, 85 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 2: he got the mint chocolate chip. Though. How do you 86 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: feel about mint chocolate chip ice cream? Ben, I'm okay 87 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: with it. It's not ever going to be my favorite, but 88 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: I feel the same way. Yeah, it gives toothpaste a 89 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: little bit. There's something in my mind that always goes 90 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 2: to like I'm literally consuming toothpaste with little studs of 91 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: chocolate in it, you know, But each there, I. 92 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: Wonder if I don't know this, I would have to 93 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: look into it further. But I wonder if Timothy McVeigh 94 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: was a smoker, and if so, maybe the mental or 95 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: the strong mint had some kind of. 96 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: Appeal to him. Maybe so Also to get in front 97 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: of this question, yes, historically, a lot of people ask 98 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: for tobacco, a lot of people ask for booze, some 99 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: variety of alcohol. You know. It's again, it's that old Uh, 100 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: it's that old film. 101 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: Trope, right, firing squad and the firing cigare. 102 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: Cigarette and only one of the people shooting at you 103 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: has a bullet in their rifle. Right, so you can 104 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: hide your sin from God. 105 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 2: Like the Orderlagne, right, Exactly, a lot of ethical quandaries 106 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: with food and finality, Food and finality, that's what we're 107 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 2: It makes me think of the butter tax, you know, 108 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 2: like all of this these notions there history of like 109 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 2: what can we do to trick God into thinking that 110 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: we are somehow more pious than we actually are? And 111 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 2: that in and of itself fields kind of sacrilegious, doesn't it? 112 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: The notion that we could fool God or like hide 113 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: from God, not how it works. I love it. 114 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: I love the idea that you fundamentally believe in this 115 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: all powerful, all knowing, like omniscient, omnipotent entity that is 116 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: just a sucker for loopholes. 117 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, you can't see through that cloth over your head, 118 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: you know, shrudge when you munch down on that tiny bird. 119 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, Florida Back to Florida has a bit of 120 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 2: a moralistic kind of axiom built into their proceedings to 121 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: avoid extravagance. They're a little less cheap than Oklahoma, though 122 00:07:55,120 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: their last meal requests cannot exceed forty dollars must be 123 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 2: available to buy locally, so no imported. 124 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: You know, fine cheeses or what have you. 125 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: No kazu marzu for you, right, which would be a 126 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: very strange thing to request. 127 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: What is that? That's the that's the cheese that with 128 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 2: the maggots. Yeah, yeah, you got to be kind of 129 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: in the Sardinian underground. 130 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 3: What's illegal? 131 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: It's it's like, yeah, I mean, it's just because it's 132 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: like you know also, I mean when I was in Spain, 133 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: I kind of forgot this. I think I knew it 134 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: at some point, but like certain the way they make 135 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 2: their yamm over there, like the really really fancy ham, 136 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: the processes that they use over there make it illegal 137 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 2: to bring it back to the States. Oh. I went 138 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: to like a little little stand that was selling and 139 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: I bought like some pre packet stuff, and the butcher 140 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 2: was kind enough to remind me or tell me for 141 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: the first time. Like I say, again I've known in 142 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: the past that he said, don't bring that on your 143 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 2: carry on, don't bring that on the plane. I was like, oh, bro, 144 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna that here. I'm here for a little bit. 145 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: But I think that's very interesting. Yeah, that's news to me. 146 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: So wait, because you can buy like Iberian ham here 147 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: in the States, right. 148 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: But it's different when you buy it over there. The 149 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: processes are different, they're under a different set of standards. 150 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 2: Over there, and I guess what sort of like raw 151 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: milk is in some ways like not legal in certain 152 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 2: parts of the world. 153 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: Same deal, Okay, all right, well max of what I 154 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: could get a the more you know, Q just close 155 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: enough to keep us from getting food. 156 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: Perfect. 157 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: And we also know that, aside from monetary restrictions, there 158 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: are other limitations that keep this from being the full 159 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: buffet experience you often see portrayed in fiction. A lot 160 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: of prison systems will only honor requests like Virginia used 161 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: to do, for food that's already available within the prison system. 162 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: And it's not hard to imagine why this would be 163 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: the case. Right, this is very sensitive stuff. If you 164 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: are a person who supports the death penalty in your state, 165 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: this could seem like giving an extravagant last meal could 166 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: feel like a deeply offensive favor to a genuine monster, 167 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, kind of spitting in the 168 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: face of the surviving family members. And then let's say 169 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: you're more agnostic on the idea of capital punishment and 170 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: the death penalty, but you're very concerned about the government waste, right, 171 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: wasteful government spending, then you might see last meals as 172 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: a no brainer. Thing to cut from the budget, right, Like, 173 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: why am I this guy is going to die? Why 174 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: are we spending so much money per prisoner giving them 175 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: a steakhouse meal? 176 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 2: Well, according to Amnesty International, or actually an article on 177 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: ambscy International, California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice 178 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: did a studies is back in two thousand and eight. 179 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: So I imagine it's risen or maybe not, because you know, 180 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 2: there are fewer of these cases. It does seem like 181 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: death penalty is sort of losing its luster in a way. 182 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: But they say, using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates 183 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: the annual costs of the present system one hundred and 184 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: thirty seven million per year, the present system after implementation 185 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 2: of reforms which we're being discussed at this point two 186 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty two point seven million per year, and 187 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 2: a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration 188 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: instead of the death penalty only eleven point five. 189 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: Million a year. Oh, it's already very very expensive, is one. 190 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it is true. Adding some filet mignons to that, 191 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: probably a little bit, adding insult injury. 192 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. There's a symbolic aspect to it, right that 193 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: people can find deeply offensive, and if we're being completely honest, 194 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: outside of these various caveats, there is a lot of 195 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: wiggle room. Some states still have no real constraints on 196 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: what can be defined as a last meal other than 197 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: the discretion of the warden and the prison staff. And 198 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: the obsession we've had or you know, not saying whom, 199 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: but some of us have had over the past few 200 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: months fundamentally traces back to this. I would argue the 201 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: idea of a moment of humanity even for the worst 202 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: of the worst, amid this inarguably broken system. Let's say, no, 203 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: you and me and you listening along with us at home, 204 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: are fellow ridiculous historian. Let's say we're all career prison professionals. 205 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,839 Speaker 1: Now at this point we've met the absolute worst, right, 206 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: the dregs of humanity. We also probably have met people 207 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: who might be innocent victims of the system, or we've 208 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: met otherwise decent people that made a single life ruining mistake. 209 00:12:55,240 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: And we you know, we get to know these over 210 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: the years, right, and we know one thing for sure, 211 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: they're not walking out of the prison grounds ever again. 212 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: So maybe we can go above and beyond use our 213 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: own time and money to try an honor a request 214 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: of the last meal. 215 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that scenario you describe ben about like the 216 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 2: life and experiences of like a career prison administrator, guard, whatever, 217 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: people that actually spend time with these people and begin to, 218 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 2: for better or worse, see them as human beings. Maybe 219 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: it has an age as well as I think, but 220 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: I do. I do think the show OZ, which has 221 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 2: a bit of a dated look to it, it's a 222 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 2: very early HBO series. It explores this stuff in depth, 223 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,760 Speaker 2: and it has, like all of the types of prison 224 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: inmates that you're describing, I think, portrayed in a very 225 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: humanistic and interesting way. So I would recommend giving it. 226 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: It's not for the faint of heart. It's definitely heavy. 227 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: It's not a fun show per se. But I think 228 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 2: it's really really good. I rewatch it every handful of years, 229 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 2: and I think it probably has aged relatively well and 230 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: feels pretty relevant, you know, especially when it comes to 231 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: this kind of conversation. 232 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: I want to thank several authors here, Brian Price Meals 233 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: to Die For. We also want to thank Angela L. 234 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: Pagan in her article The History and Evolution of the 235 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: Last Meal. The main takeaway from this exploration if take 236 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: away there be oh god, not a takeaway joke. It's this, 237 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: eat every meal as though it is you get take 238 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: take out. Yeah, it took me a second. Let's see 239 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: it this way. Eat every meal as though it is 240 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: your last life is to be lived, and for a 241 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: brief time we are all here to live it together. 242 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: With that, we couldn't leave you on a huge doubter. 243 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: Right of the ridiculous history of last meal, the ethical quandaries, 244 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: we wanted to share some tangents in trivia some famous 245 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: last meals. Now, often people are going to talk about 246 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: serial killers when they when they talk about last meals, 247 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: we'll give you, well, you know what, let's give folks 248 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: just like a few of those, and then let's get 249 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: the non criminal last meals. 250 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: Maybe. 251 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely. 252 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: I think this is all really interesting because thus far 253 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,119 Speaker 2: I don't believe we've we've given you any real world examples, 254 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 2: just kind of more in the area of like like this, 255 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 2: this is what's on the table kind of a meal 256 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: a meal pun But before Eileen Richard Mallory was executed 257 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 2: in two thousand and one for the first screen murder 258 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: of Richard Mallory, she just had a simple cup of coffee, 259 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: you know, one, one cup of coffee. You don't know 260 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: how she took it. No refills, no refills, one I 261 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 2: don't know. Man, I would want like an espresso, you know, 262 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 2: something real robust. You're right, you want the good coffee. Well, 263 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: one of those New York's best cup cups of coffee. 264 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, who regulates that? 265 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: No one, I say, But yeah, let's go to another 266 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: example from nineteen ninety nine. 267 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, a guy named Marion Albert Pruitt was a spree killer, 268 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: requested a lot of stuff he is. His order was 269 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: one of the more controversial ones. Pizza hut, stuffed crust pizza, 270 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: four burger king whoppers, French fries, fried egg plant, fried squash, 271 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: fried okra, a whole pecan pie, three two liter Pepsi bottles. 272 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: And then he also noted to the prison staff he 273 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: originally considered ordering an entire roast duck. 274 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: Doesn't this seem like a bit of an example of 275 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: kind of taking the piss exactly? 276 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: That's that's one of the controversial ones because he wears 277 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: so much stuff. There was a guy named the Butcher, 278 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: or called the Butcher of Hanover Fritz vintage example right, Yeah, 279 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: and a very nasty fellow. He asked for a cigar 280 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 1: and a cup of coffee. And you can find a 281 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 1: lot of descriptions of criminal's last meals, just very very 282 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: horrible people. We also want to tell you about non 283 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,400 Speaker 1: criminal last meals, because here's the other. 284 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 3: Thing, arguably non criminal. 285 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: I mean, there's a couple on this list that did 286 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 2: some pretty gnarly things. 287 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I know who you're talking about, So let's 288 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: open with him for his last meal in eighteen twenty one, 289 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: Napoleon Bonaparte eight liver and bacon chops paired with sheared 290 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: eggs and cream, saute kidneys and sherry and garlic toast 291 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: with roasted tomatoes. All right, So one of my first questions, 292 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: I think you had the same one. 293 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: What are shared eggs? 294 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: You know, that's funny, you should ask Ben. I just 295 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 3: googled that very thing. 296 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 2: It's it's almost I think maybe a kin to like 297 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 2: coddled eggs or a poached egg, but it's more in 298 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 2: a little sou flee dish, so very French, very soft 299 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: and like in a single dish, kind of like you 300 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: crack them in there and probably bake them on low heat. 301 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,400 Speaker 2: So that they're still running on top, but they are 302 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 2: kind of one thing. Okay, this is all of this 303 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: cuisine that Napoleon requested about as French as it comes. 304 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 2: This is some real French French delicacies. 305 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: He was used to the good life Ernest hemmy way 306 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 1: at a New York strip with caesar salad and a 307 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: baked potato and then probably a lot of wine. And 308 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: we owe our buddy Max the next one. 309 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 3: We sure do. 310 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 2: On April fourteenth, eighteen sixty five, President Abraham Lincoln sat 311 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: down for about as American a meal as one could 312 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: imagine at the time. He enjoyed a roast Virginia fowl. 313 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 2: Now I'm sorry, what is like? Is this a quail? 314 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 2: Is this a chicken? A fowl is a very all 315 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: encompassing term. It's kind of an umbrella term. Yeah, But 316 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: with we talked about this off off air ben chestnut stuffing, 317 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: which is still a very popular Americana classic Thanksgiving preparation, 318 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 2: you know, like sort of like walnut stuffing or including nuts, 319 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: but chestn roasted chestnuts in the stuffing, baked yams and cauliflower. 320 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 3: With cheese sauce, which I guess I thought was a much. 321 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 2: More like modern kind of health Golden Corral type dish, 322 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? 323 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt like maybe it was a less carbon 324 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: heavy alternative to macc and cheese. But yeah, he liked 325 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: the cauliflower, he liked the cheese sauce, and who doesn't 326 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: love colding Corral for everybody out. 327 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: Chocolate waterfall me, it's not sanitary, all don't do it, 328 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 2: it's not good, but do check out? 329 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: Was it Golden Corral who had the training video that 330 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 1: went viral? 331 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: Where because the old country buffet, which was a favorite 332 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: of my youth? 333 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: How's how's just this the sports. 334 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 2: Ball team doing? Hey oh hot out there today, isn't it? 335 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 4: Ha ha ha? All right? 336 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: Cutting your cutting your your meat for. 337 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: You you're like pot roasts or whatever. 338 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 3: Children are a very important addition to our Golden Corral 339 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: family and often determine what restaurant choices parents will make, 340 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: So make sure to have a little conversation for them 341 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: to so, uh what what great are you in? 342 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: Exactly? 343 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 3: It real that that video free in my please let's 344 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: flee ecliped. 345 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 4: As a carver, you spend a little more time with 346 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 4: guests their team members. That means you have a great 347 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 4: chance to make them feel welcome and appreciated. Let's take 348 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 4: a closer look at greeting guests. Every conversation you hold 349 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 4: with guests should. 350 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: Begin something like this. 351 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 4: Amy once you've greeted the guest, start a brief conversation. 352 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 4: Try asking a question the guest can answer innocents or two. 353 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 4: You might ask something like this, is. 354 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 3: It still hot out there? 355 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 2: Did you catch a game last night? 356 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 3: Have you chriv with mosagnya? It's my favorite? 357 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 4: Don't forget to hold quick conversations with our younger guests, too, 358 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 4: So start conversations with children by saying. 359 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 3: Something like this, what grade are you in at school? 360 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 3: Have you decided what dessert you're going to have? 361 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 2: Do you like hot bud Sundays? There it is Eddy's 362 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: slicing Pride? 363 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 3: Rib Hey, what graty? Hello, little boy? 364 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,399 Speaker 2: It's so strange? 365 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 3: And what do you want for Christmas? 366 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 2: Because the guys the guy's eyes are kind of dead, 367 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: like a little too close together. 368 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I don't know. Yeah, there's something off, but. 369 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: He's like looking back and forth as though someone's about 370 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: to compromise his real identity. 371 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:48,360 Speaker 3: Does appear that way. 372 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: He looks intensely uncomfortable, and we speaking in pop culture, 373 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: we want to give you a story of a tremendously 374 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: controversial commercial that came out in nineteen eighty five. 375 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Pizza Hut ran with a commercial where a prisoner 376 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: sentenced to death orders Pizza Hut as his last meal. 377 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 3: This is who green lit this. 378 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 2: This is like, oh my goodness, I mean that is 379 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 2: really pretty tasteless. The prisoner in the commercial gets pardoned 380 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 2: at the last minute, okay, like, what are you playing 381 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 2: at here? Pizza Hut eighty five and then I believe 382 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: the inmate that we mentioned that got Pizza Hut stuff 383 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: Cruss wasn't until ninety nine, but the ad was nevertheless 384 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: particularly upsetting two viewers in South Carolina, where a man 385 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: who recently was on death row had ordered pizza for 386 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 2: his last meal before his execution. It was taken off 387 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 2: the air, and I bet you there's not even YouTube 388 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 2: evidence of this. Maybe there is, I don't believe so though. 389 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: It's just soulless, you know, it's bad taste. One of 390 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: the best books on famous last meals we mentioned previously 391 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: is Meals to Die For by Brian D. 392 00:22:59,760 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: Price. 393 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: Price was formerly an inmate assigned to the Walls Unit 394 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: in Huntsville, Texas, and during his ten years there, he 395 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: prepared almost two hundred last meals for incarcerated people. His 396 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: book includes something like forty four different recipes as well. 397 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: It's a very specific read, and it is one of 398 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: the best books because it's by someone with firsthand experience. 399 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: But we wanted to end with this, Folks, We have 400 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: asked many friends and colleagues for their ideal last meals. 401 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 1: We want to give you a few. No, let's start 402 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 1: with our good friend Annie Reese, the co host of 403 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: our food show Saver. 404 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and a bit of a foodie. One of three categories. 405 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: And I love this because I thought I was going 406 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 2: to mention this the idea of nostalgia, right, because that's 407 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 2: kind of where mine's going to fall. Peanut butter and 408 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: jelly with mac and cheese. Then there's second end. A 409 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 2: second category, a seafood mushroom pasta I had with a 410 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: calorie count that will make you swoon, or something I 411 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: want all the time, like tuna, sashimi or sushi in general, 412 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: and pair it with a nice wine. Yeah. No word 413 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: on whether it's a kianti kanti A sorry edie for 414 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: any Missophonia. People out there, please forgive me. Edie just 415 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: said a nice wine. 416 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: And then our pals Jack O'Brien and Miles Gray at 417 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 1: The Daily's I guys said this. Jack said either fried 418 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: chicken or a sloppy cheese smash burger and shout out 419 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: to oh wait. 420 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 2: No, you made your face. You got it. Only that, 421 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 2: Miles is a thing that we've also talked about off 422 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 2: off mic and and this it didn't come up because 423 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 2: it's honestly too ridiculous to ever work. 424 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 3: But Adam Friedland, who used to be on I think 425 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 3: it was. 426 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: Chopout Trap House Podcast and and and others, he's got 427 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 2: a bit series that he's been doing recently. 428 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 3: I think he stopped doing it. 429 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 2: But he was interviewing some comic who suggested that they 430 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 2: were talking about last meals, and the comic who's I 431 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 2: apologize name escaped to me said that he would ask 432 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: to eat the electric chair. Uh he said a time, yeah, 433 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 2: you know, in the in the hopes of staying his execution. 434 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 2: And then again, his whole joke was contingent on this 435 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 2: myth of like you just magically get whatever you want 436 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 2: and there's nothing's off limits. And then once they reset it. 437 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 2: Because of the ada fixed the electric chair, you ask 438 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: for it again. Obviously that's absurd on a couple of levels. 439 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: But Miles was was kind of barking up the same 440 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: electric chair there in saying that he would keep changing 441 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 2: his mind and dithering to delay execution. I love it. 442 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 2: Also classic Miles. 443 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 3: He's always playing. He's playing three D chess. 444 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 2: Everybody who plays chess has played three D chess. 445 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,919 Speaker 3: Though, Yeah, it's that. 446 00:25:56,080 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, I'll use that expression a forty Yes, sure, 447 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 2: that's a very good point. 448 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: Good ding dong. 449 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 2: I'll tell you who's not a ding dong though. Lauren 450 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: Vogelbaum over at Saver, and he's co host who said 451 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 2: something comforting nineteen eighties Americana interesting gets much maligned. Eighties 452 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 2: cuisine gets much maligned in some of these foodie circles. 453 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 2: So I appreciate Lauren standing up for eighties cuisine. Pasta 454 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: alfredo or a steak with mashed potatoes and asparagus, or 455 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 2: some good seared scallops. 456 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: I do love a good seared scalps. You're gonna be careful. 457 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: You can overcook them really so easily. 458 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe your old man got into the conversation too. 459 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 3: No one was safe, no worry. 460 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, our special guest, Potter Familius, said, Colonel. Yeah, the 461 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: colonel said, dessert on dessert, vanilla ice cream finished with 462 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: a second course of flaud or crapon breulat quote, since 463 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about the calories. Also no toppings. 464 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 1: Very clear about that, called himself a somewhat militant vanilla 465 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: ice cream purist. 466 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 2: Well, you know, vanilla ice cream at its best is 467 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: anything but what the term vanilla has come to represent. 468 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: You know, I would. 469 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: Argue, right, yeah, exactly, And let's not forget that vanilla 470 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,479 Speaker 1: back in the day was this incredibly strange and high class. 471 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 3: Rarefied right, talked about it very recently. 472 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 2: I check out if you missed it, our episode on 473 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: artificial flavorings and how you know, how dear that substance was, 474 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: and how you know, to the point where you just 475 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: couldn't get enough of it and they had to like 476 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 2: figure out how to make some version of it that 477 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: they could mass produce and sell because people just loved 478 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 2: it so damn much. Our dear dear friend and colleague 479 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 2: Matt Frederick over it. Stuff they don't want you to 480 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 2: know man after my own heart, culinarily speaking, because I 481 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 2: love this dish as well. But he is a bit 482 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: of a spice hound, so he wants his green curry 483 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 2: tie Hot, which if you're not familiar, if you go 484 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: to a Thai restaurant, they'll have the star system oftentimes 485 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: or the Pepper system, you know, and then there's one 486 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 2: that's off the charts, and that's usually referred to as 487 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: tye Hot. 488 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 3: And you know, oftentimes if you go in there and 489 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 3: order it that. 490 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 2: Way, you will get a little bit of a Really 491 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: that's really what that's really what Matt wants. Then, yeah, 492 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 2: that is really what he wants. 493 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: When we asked him, hey, do you want rice with 494 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: that as well, he specifically said no, I'll just drink 495 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: it like a fine soup. 496 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 3: A fine soup, said, like a true bone vivante. 497 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: And Max Williams, our long suffering super producer who will 498 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 2: return with us soon. He said that he would want 499 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 2: a large caesar salad and two slices of New York 500 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 2: style pizza so that it doesn't even have to be 501 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: particularly good, just big and floppy and just cheese too. 502 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 2: Normally he'd want toppings, but he feels like that would 503 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 2: take attention away from the salad. He wants his last 504 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 2: meal to be very balanced. 505 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: And in classic we know you're listening man, In classic 506 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: Max fashion, he continued, and he says, the salad is 507 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: the main dish. Let's not get this s twisted. I 508 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 1: may not even finish the pizza, but I am eating 509 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: a F word salad over here. Don't want anyone thinking 510 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: I'm some big F word health nut or something and 511 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: going out with just a salad. But truthfully, the salad 512 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: is the only part I care about. 513 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 3: That's wild. 514 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 2: See now this is a really interesting example of last meal. 515 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: As Rorshach tests, Max didn't even have to explain all 516 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: of that to us. He did do us that courtesy. 517 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: But I think, honestly, the way he said it originally 518 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 2: said it all. I like the emphatic nature. No, Max 519 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: is nothing if not emphatic. That's true. That is very 520 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: much our all the freight train. 521 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: We also want to give a shout out to our 522 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: colleagues John Wallzac and Chris Brown, good friends of our 523 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: pal Paul Decant, the masterminds behind Missing the Missing series 524 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: right Missing in Alaska, Missy on nine to eleven. Their 525 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: newest show is Missing in Arizona, which is live now 526 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: wherever you want to find your favorite. 527 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: Shows, Ben, and then give yourself a little credit executive 528 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: producer of this and very involved in the process too. 529 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 2: Oh I will. 530 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 1: I will help out with with some scripts. But this 531 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: is really Paul's baby. 532 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 4: Like you. 533 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: This is also something that you've been shepherding along all 534 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 2: the while, and I'm very excited to check it out. 535 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 2: So please do listen to Missing in Arizona wherever you 536 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: get your fine podcast soups. There it is. Oh I 537 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: love it, Thank you so much. We asked. 538 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: We asked our buddy John Wallzac, the host of Missing, 539 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: and John said the following, I'm going to say, for 540 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: final meal appetizer, shrimp cocktail made a box combo from 541 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,720 Speaker 1: raising canes, no coalslaw extra fries, and he said, side 542 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: truffle mat from somewhere, and then he gets really specific 543 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: with the dessert. 544 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: Okay, you gotta hear it. 545 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 3: I do. 546 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 2: Can I just really quickly say though, that I have 547 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 2: only recently been introduced to the magic of a really 548 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 2: good shrimp cocktail. Oh yeah, I was out in Vegas 549 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: and we went to like one of those old timey steakhouses, 550 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: and like a really solid shrimp cocktail is. 551 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 3: A thing of beauty. 552 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 2: And actually, now that he's saying that, I might revise 553 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 2: mine or add at it as an. 554 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: App Yeah, I like to because John is methodical, so 555 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 1: he of course he's thinking deservasive appetizer made and side. 556 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: Here's the dessert, he says, dessert a guava cheesecake milkshake 557 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: from Morgenstern's in New York City and a pint of 558 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: Jenny's brown butter almond brittle ice cream. 559 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: Know, that's a fabulous ice cream. We have Jenni Cere Atlanta. 560 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 3: That is a really solid ice cream pick. 561 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 2: I was actually gonna say about was it because not Kazinski, 562 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 2: the Oklahoma City bomber guy. He he had two pints 563 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 2: of the same ice cream. I would have had one 564 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 2: pint of two different ones. Whull variety in there. You know, 565 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 2: that's a really good point. 566 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: And then also on the Missing Team, producer Chris Brown says, 567 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to go with the gorge fest. Here probably 568 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: be a peanut butter bacon burger, a sider fries, and 569 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: mac and cheese for dessert. A stack of amazing pancakes 570 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: that I will eat very slowly, right. 571 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 3: Once and again, a little strategy there inevitable. 572 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 2: But now we have to give a shout out to you, sir. 573 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: We are going to put this to bed because I've 574 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: been bugging you and Matt and pretty much everybody we 575 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,160 Speaker 1: know about this question. But I really liked your answer 576 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: and when you when you gave me your answer, you 577 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: thought this out and you were pretty definitive about it. 578 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: And then you came back because you reached a crossroad 579 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: with potatoes in particular. 580 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I did. 581 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 2: And for me, the part of this that I that 582 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: I talked to you about definitely squarely falls under the 583 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 2: nostalgic category because you know, I've I've been obsessed with this, 584 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 2: with the Big Lebowski and and just Los Angeles lore 585 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 2: and cult server since I was a kid, and in 586 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 2: and out Burger comes up a lot and in in 587 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: the Big Lebowski and it's one of those things that 588 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 2: you just can't get outside certain parts of the country, 589 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 2: and it's very much like an LA thing. 590 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 3: LA is a real burger town. And since then, when I. 591 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: Was a kid, I've had uh the privilege and pleasure 592 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,320 Speaker 2: of going to Los Angeles a lot. We've been there 593 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: together multiple times, and every time I go, there's an 594 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 2: in and out right by the airport. I hit that 595 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: up and and you know, had it multiple times, and 596 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 2: it really is about as good as they say. The 597 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 2: in and out double double animal style, which is the 598 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 2: off menu way of getting your burger, which is basically 599 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 2: just with like a kind of a Thousand Island dressing 600 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 2: type situation, a saucy sauce burger sauce kind of thing. 601 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 2: But you're right, Ben, I have long been a defender 602 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: of the in and out shoe string fries. They are 603 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: really skinny and really crispy and very lightly dare I say, unsalted, 604 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 2: But every time I bring it up, I've been kind 605 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 2: of it's been pointed out to me that they're kind 606 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,239 Speaker 2: of much maligned. Recently sort of adjusted my position on them, 607 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 2: and I think I would get my fries flown in 608 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: from elsewhere. 609 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 3: Some kind of truffle fry. 610 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: There's a really good spot here in Atlanta called Le 611 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:47,280 Speaker 2: Petite Marche, Yeah, pursed area. I believe it's a little 612 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: Dillogy kind of area here in and it's really good 613 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 2: and they do these trufy seasoned fries with parmesan that 614 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 2: are just freaking phenomenal. So as long as I was 615 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,760 Speaker 2: getting executed here in Atlanta, that hopefully fall under the 616 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 2: you know, the terms of service. 617 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 3: What you might call. 618 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then I would lead off though with a 619 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 2: good shrimp cocktail. And then for a dessert, I like 620 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: that Superman ice cream and that's nostalgic too. Really just 621 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,360 Speaker 2: tastes like vanilla. But it's like it's like they smashed 622 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,760 Speaker 2: up a bunch of smurfs and made an ice. 623 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 3: Cream out of them. 624 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: How do they do it? How do they get those 625 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 2: all those colors. I'm a sucker for artificial color, but 626 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 2: that's I think that would be me. Yeah, shrimp cocktail 627 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 2: from Amazing steakhouse, double double animal style truffle fries, and 628 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 2: Superman ice cream. 629 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: Perfect poetry, folks. I just have to give credit where 630 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: it's due. 631 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 2: Nol. 632 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: I love how you were one of the people who said, 633 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: hang on, let me think about it, and you treated 634 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: this question with the importance it deserves. And then you 635 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: came back and you said you came back with like 636 00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: breaking news about the French fries and on the edge 637 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,080 Speaker 1: of their seat about my hot takes on. 638 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 3: Freaking I was that's why we hang out, but I 639 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 3: think it is too. 640 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 2: But as we've mentioned at the top of the show 641 00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 2: and a few times since Paul Michigan controlled decand the 642 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 2: long suffering super producer of stuff they don't want you 643 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 2: to know, is sitting in today for Max, who is away, 644 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 2: and we actually just put the question to him not 645 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 2: too long ago, and I'm fully behind his response. 646 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: Ah, yes, Paul, DEC and the better half of the 647 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: slate that Paul that I have. Paul says, if money 648 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,439 Speaker 1: is no object, I'd get a five y goose steak. Paul, 649 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,879 Speaker 1: you have chosen wisely, of course. And then you say, 650 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: look if there, if money is an object, I would 651 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: have a quarter pounder with cheese fries at Coca Cola. 652 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 2: And with that, thank you, Paul. Wait a minute, no, no, no, no, 653 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,919 Speaker 2: you're not getting out of this, Ben. You can't play 654 00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 2: these games with us and not give us your last meal. 655 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 2: Come on, man, Well you saw the Frank beat me 656 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,919 Speaker 2: here Max. You saw the crazy ass note I put 657 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 2: in there. I don't know, Okay, you. 658 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: Know, still on the still on the fence. I'm not 659 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: as definitive as you guys. I have such a tough 660 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,800 Speaker 1: time choosing, you know, I might need a little more time, 661 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: and maybe that's the heart of the episode. 662 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,239 Speaker 2: Here for the record, the message to say, you'll never 663 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 2: catch him, You'll never catch you, never take him in 664 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: alive Coppers. Yeah, it's a it's a little wrote that 665 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,439 Speaker 2: in a weird place, but folks, thank you so much 666 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 2: for tuning in. 667 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,919 Speaker 1: Big, big things of course, to our super producer mister 668 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:48,319 Speaker 1: Max Williams, to our guest producer Paul Wig. 669 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 3: Decad Paul Decadent decades. 670 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 2: There it is big, big Thanks to Alex Williams who 671 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 2: composed our track. 672 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 3: Huge thanks to Jonathan Strickland, the Quister, A J. 673 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 5: Maham, Jacob's the Puzzler, Christopherraciotis needs Jeff Coats here in spirit, 674 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 5: and of course to you Ben, what a what a 675 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 5: rop what a journey into the heart of darkness and deliciousness, 676 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 5: the heart and the belly of darkness. 677 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 2: There it is, there, it is. 678 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: Oh, I've got to send you a picture of this, uh, 679 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 1: this weird crap thing I got into. 680 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 3: We'll see you next time. 681 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 2: Books. 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