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Speaker 2: What's going on, everyone, It's Darren Waller tying in from
Speaker 2: the New York Giants, excited to welcome you guys back
Speaker 2: to another episode to come Back Stories. I'm here with
Speaker 2: my boy, my brother, my man Donnie.
Speaker 3: Donnie. How you doing today, Bro?
Speaker 4: I'm doing well. Welcome everyone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's great to be here, great to be carrying
Speaker 5: the message of recovery, healing, transformation, and that's exactly what
Speaker 5: we're going to do today on our episode with our
Speaker 5: guest Trent Shelton, who is actually coming back for round two.
Speaker 4: Trent, how you doing, my man? Man?
Speaker 3: I'm doing good, you know. Thanks for having me, Donnie
Speaker 3: and Darren. And it's always great to come back, you know,
Speaker 3: to a podcast. So I'm grateful for you guys having me.
Speaker 4: Since the last episode.
Speaker 5: There's been a lot of adversity, a lot of pain,
Speaker 5: a lot of change, a lot of loss in your life.
Speaker 5: So I think I'll ask you the same question I
Speaker 5: just asked you, but maybe with a little bit more
Speaker 5: sincerity of how are you doing?
Speaker 3: I'm good in this current moment. It's been a tough
Speaker 3: season for me over the last few years. But you know,
Speaker 3: I've been able to battle a lot of things mentally, spiritually,
Speaker 3: and it's laying my relationship closer to God even even more,
Speaker 3: it's allowed me to sit down with this injury and
Speaker 3: be able to connect and focus on the things that
Speaker 3: really matter. So I would say, even in this storm,
Speaker 3: it's definitely helped me find just goodness in my life
Speaker 3: and focus on the things that truly matter.
Speaker 5: What do you feel like matters that maybe didn't matter before?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just man, just presence, Like you know, my family
Speaker 3: obviously matter before, but just even you know, losing my
Speaker 3: mother and then my grandmother, all these things that happened,
Speaker 3: it just made me realize, like, you know, we don't
Speaker 3: have forever. You know, fever comes with an expiration, dayton.
Speaker 3: So it's made me sit down and be able to
Speaker 3: enjoy the small things and things that really matter. The
Speaker 3: memories that could be made, whether playing outside of my
Speaker 3: key kids, are going to a trip, or just doing
Speaker 3: the most random things that mean everything. Because when I
Speaker 3: look back on my life, it's those moments that were
Speaker 3: so simple. I call it simple happiness that I missed
Speaker 3: so much. With those I can't create it no more
Speaker 3: so that simple happiness bug has bit me, and I'm
Speaker 3: like super excited about creating simple moments that mean everything.
Speaker 2: I feel like you have the perspective to be able
Speaker 2: to enjoy the simple moments that come from an adverse
Speaker 2: situation like this, because a lot of people may not
Speaker 2: know that you've been facing pretty substantial adversity much of
Speaker 2: your life. Could you take us through some of your
Speaker 2: childhood and some of the adversity that you faced early
Speaker 2: on for people that haven't heard your story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, just childhood wise. You know, my child
Speaker 3: was pretty good. I grew up in Louisiana, the youngest
Speaker 3: of two older brothers. My biggest adversity was the thing
Speaker 3: of like having two older brothers, and I always had
Speaker 3: this success guilt where it's like, man, the attention is
Speaker 3: all on me, but those guys helped me become who
Speaker 3: I was, Like it was always me versus them playing
Speaker 3: football and basketball, But it was always that thing of like, man,
Speaker 3: I don't want all their attention. And I think honestly
Speaker 3: that instilled a fear of success for me my whole
Speaker 3: entire life, even now working through this, because it's like, man,
Speaker 3: if I'm successful, like what am I going to lose?
Speaker 3: Are people going to be jealous? Or all these things?
Speaker 3: And so I had to work through that limited belief.
Speaker 3: And my biggest adversity was sports man after college, you know,
Speaker 3: going to NFL as a free agent and bouncing around
Speaker 3: getting cut eight or nine times, being very unsure of
Speaker 3: my situation, you know, day to day, you know, coming
Speaker 3: off the practice field and getting released and like, oh,
Speaker 3: what I'm going to do now? So that was tough,
Speaker 3: and that process me just having a son, like how
Speaker 3: am I going to provide for my son? Who am
Speaker 3: I without the sport? So that was the hardest thing
Speaker 3: of my life, trying to find an identity outside of
Speaker 3: something that's been my identity my whole life.
Speaker 4: I'd like to.
Speaker 5: Ask real quick on the success guild thing, just from
Speaker 5: a personal level. When you said those two words, that
Speaker 5: really resonated with me on a lot of levels. Just
Speaker 5: I had that same thing growing up, and how to
Speaker 5: a brother a year and a half older than me
Speaker 5: who achieved a ton of success, like more than most athletically,
Speaker 5: let's say, but maybe compared to me, it wasn't as successful,
Speaker 5: And so oftentimes I would find myself very uncomfortable receiving
Speaker 5: that acknowledgment, and I've seen that show up in my
Speaker 5: life later on, where when I am acknowledged, I often
Speaker 5: want to diminish or dim my light, if you will.
Speaker 5: So I'm curious for you, like, how have you seen
Speaker 5: that show.
Speaker 4: Up for you later?
Speaker 5: And what was some of the work you did to
Speaker 5: release that old story?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, I think even right now, just being totally transparent,
Speaker 3: I'm still working through that because all the compliments that
Speaker 3: I get are you helped me do this, or you
Speaker 3: help me do that, and all the accolades, which really
Speaker 3: doesn't do anything for me, and I've always kind of
Speaker 3: downplayed it and pushed it away. And I realized that
Speaker 3: in my mind that really helped me this. I was like, man,
Speaker 3: I'm not being grateful for the blessings God gave me,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Like I should be able
Speaker 3: to under those blessings and feel good about it because
Speaker 3: the people in my life that are truly happy for me,
Speaker 3: they're going to be happy for my success, happy for
Speaker 3: my happiness. And I realized that the wrong people, yeah,
Speaker 3: they might have a problem with it, and that those
Speaker 3: aren't my people. And so I've learned to really acknowledge
Speaker 3: it I've learned to accept it, and it's really helped
Speaker 3: me because I felt like in me not accepting the
Speaker 3: recognition or whatever it may be, it was almost like
Speaker 3: my purpose and my gift became a burden in a sense,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I never wanted that to be
Speaker 3: a thing. So I acknowledge it, but always point it
Speaker 3: back to God as the reason of who I am
Speaker 3: and the purpose he asked for my life. And that's
Speaker 3: really helped me. But to be totally transparent something I
Speaker 3: struggle with to this day.
Speaker 2: I want to stay on what you said about people
Speaker 2: thanking you for what you've done for them. I want
Speaker 2: to ask you, do you feel like it's easy to
Speaker 2: slip into like being so caught up and helping other
Speaker 2: people that sometimes when it's time to maybe help yourself
Speaker 2: that it may be a little difficult Because I find myself.
Speaker 3: In that area.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I'm like people of addiction, like I do so
Speaker 2: much for them, I speak so much into the lives
Speaker 2: of people with mental health awareness, and I'm, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of like out here on the front lines of it.
Speaker 2: But then sometimes it's like when it comes to my
Speaker 2: own things, sometimes I feel like I kind of struggle
Speaker 2: do you feel.
Speaker 3: That way at all? A thousand percent man? And this
Speaker 3: was exposed to me. It was I don't know who
Speaker 3: it was and said this. It might have been like
Speaker 3: ay Mini or something like that, but he had said
Speaker 3: in a tweet that like he has talked about God
Speaker 3: so much to other people that he's forgetting to actually
Speaker 3: talk to God for himself. And that resonated me, like
Speaker 3: on a spiritual level, but also on the personal level.
Speaker 3: It's like, Yeah, I'm doing all these things for everybody else,
Speaker 3: I'm pouring in everybody else. I'm making sure everybody else
Speaker 3: is straight, and I'm not giving that to myself, right
Speaker 3: And so I'm kind of the season right now, and
Speaker 3: it seems like a selfish season, but it's not as
Speaker 3: more self aware. It's just like being my unapologetically, my
Speaker 3: unapologetic season where I'm really focusing on me so I
Speaker 3: can be the best me for the world, for the
Speaker 3: people who follow me, for my family, and making sure
Speaker 3: that I'm giving to myself what I'm trying to instill
Speaker 3: in them. So it's a process, man, that I'm working through.
Speaker 3: But I realized when I didn't do that, my cup
Speaker 3: was super empty and I was running on fumes. So
Speaker 3: I think it's important to sit back and relax, have
Speaker 3: time to disconnect for yourself. And so for me that's
Speaker 3: early in the morning, late at night. I call it
Speaker 3: reflection therapy. To be able to give myself in my
Speaker 3: life what I need.
Speaker 4: Wow, I think that's amazing.
Speaker 5: And this just reaffirms why Darren and I wanted to
Speaker 5: start this podcast where they may see two or three
Speaker 5: individuals up here talking that ultimately are preaching these things
Speaker 5: and teaching these things. And I think you get like
Speaker 5: sixty million listeners every week that are listening to you
Speaker 5: do your thing. But I think it's important to remember
Speaker 5: that we are as teachers or coaches, that we are
Speaker 5: still tripping over the same things that we're teaching all
Speaker 5: the time. Like we are in this work with you
Speaker 5: every single day.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean, once you stop being a student, then
Speaker 3: you stop learning. You know, even if I'm teaching, I
Speaker 3: tell people all the time and they say, like, how
Speaker 3: did you know I'm going through this? And I was like,
Speaker 3: nine out of ten either I've been through it or
Speaker 3: I'm going through it right now. I'm just sharing my
Speaker 3: experience with it. And so I never positioned myself as
Speaker 3: an expert, like I'm an expert to this expert of that,
Speaker 3: my expertise is just going through this progression of life,
Speaker 3: and I'm sharing my journey with you. Yes, it's some
Speaker 3: things I might know a little bit more about, but
Speaker 3: I'm sharing and being an open book. And I think
Speaker 3: that's what you know you talked about the sixty million.
Speaker 3: I think that's what has allowed me to be successful
Speaker 3: is I'm not at the mountaintop telling you how to
Speaker 3: get up here, right even if I've been up there, cool,
Speaker 3: but I'm like back down this struggle with you. And
Speaker 3: so even over the last few years, me being open
Speaker 3: and sharing my journey of like, this is what I'm
Speaker 3: dealing with, this is what I'm going through, but also
Speaker 3: this is how I'm getting through it in real time.
Speaker 3: And I know that builds a connection with those that
Speaker 3: follow you, those that watch you, because it's like we're
Speaker 3: inspired by perfection, but we're impacted through truth, through purpose,
Speaker 3: through progression. So I'm always trying to show people like, yeah,
Speaker 3: this is what I'm going through right now, and this
Speaker 3: is how I'm getting through it, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Man, There's three students that are on this conversation right now,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. But I want to ask you two guys,
Speaker 2: because I know you guys could be teachers on this
Speaker 2: one subject. I know both of you guys had to
Speaker 2: reach a point where it was a transformation of your
Speaker 2: identity from leaving your sports and the pain that that caused.
Speaker 2: I know there are a lot of people out there
Speaker 2: that may have certain dreams or see themselves doing certain things,
Speaker 2: and for some reason or another, they have to go
Speaker 2: into a different direction, and that separation is tough, That
Speaker 2: transition is tough. Can you speak to some of the
Speaker 2: emotions that come and what it looked like practically to
Speaker 2: kind of cut your way through everything that may have
Speaker 2: been trying to hold you right where you were.
Speaker 3: That's the hardest journey that I faced, for sure, is
Speaker 3: trying to understand who I am without that identity put
Speaker 3: on my name right and it's just very, very hard.
Speaker 3: And you know, as an athlete, I mean, I talk
Speaker 3: to athletes all the time, and that's some of the
Speaker 3: things that I help them work through. It's like, man,
Speaker 3: there's more to your life, and we hear these things,
Speaker 3: but sometimes we don't want it to be more to
Speaker 3: our life. I know I didn't at that time. Simply put,
Speaker 3: for me, it came with me facing my reality first, right,
Speaker 3: my reality is that this is over my realities. I
Speaker 3: don't even love it no more my realities. I'm just
Speaker 3: in it because I don't know what else to do
Speaker 3: with my life, and so there has to be another chapter.
Speaker 3: And my biggest fear man was not having another chapter
Speaker 3: to my life outside of this, and so I faced
Speaker 3: that reality. I dealt with it. Always say you'll never
Speaker 3: win your war by running from your battle. So that
Speaker 3: was hard. And then after I faced my reality to
Speaker 3: release some things in my life, you know, and whatever
Speaker 3: that looked like at the time, maybe it was my circle,
Speaker 3: maybe it was the identity, and I had to burn
Speaker 3: those bridges where I knew I couldn't go back. I
Speaker 3: had to move forward. The last part of the process
Speaker 3: is the repair process. And you know, we have these
Speaker 3: voids in our life, but we have to be able
Speaker 3: to repair, and repair to me means putting the strength
Speaker 3: back into a weakness. And that was a very hard process,
Speaker 3: but I ended up finding my purpose. I said, okay, well,
Speaker 3: what qualities can I take from this thing that I
Speaker 3: spent so much of my life on and apply this
Speaker 3: to my real life perseverance, endurance, how to deal with adversity,
Speaker 3: hard work, all the things that we learn as athletes.
Speaker 3: And I say, you know what, I want to put
Speaker 3: this into my current work. And at first, you know,
Speaker 3: it wasn't nothing happening, right, It wasn't like it was
Speaker 3: an external like validation and this is it for your life.
Speaker 3: But I always tell people this and simply put for me,
Speaker 3: because I get this question a lot, like how did
Speaker 3: you know like this transition was right for you? And
Speaker 3: the best way I can put it is it was
Speaker 3: the piece in the midst of uncertainty, in the midst
Speaker 3: of chaos in my soul that I knew this was
Speaker 3: what I was created to do, even though there was
Speaker 3: no external like validation of it. Internally, I knew that
Speaker 3: this was I was created to do. And once I
Speaker 3: really locked into that and stripped away, and I'm still
Speaker 3: stripping away, like I still miss sports. I still that's
Speaker 3: why I tore my achilles now thinking I'm an athlete
Speaker 3: still and trying to play my nephew outside in basketball
Speaker 3: in that rupture. But I'm still working through that process.
Speaker 3: But now I realize that, man, you know, there is
Speaker 3: something more to my life because I listened to that
Speaker 3: piece and not necessarily my circumstances at that time.
Speaker 5: Man, hearing your shift into this other identity, into this
Speaker 5: other life, it just it gets me thinking about how
Speaker 5: rare that is and how many people don't find a
Speaker 5: way out. And for me, the transformation happened because of
Speaker 5: an addiction and because my life was so painful, so
Speaker 5: self destruct hurting so many other people that I had
Speaker 5: to surrender. But that's not where like this new identity
Speaker 5: and this new purpose came from for me. Like I've
Speaker 5: heard your quotes say, your transparency leads to transformation, And
Speaker 5: that was the moment. It was like progressing and gaining
Speaker 5: these spiritual tools, becoming a yoga teacher, becoming a coach,
Speaker 5: and then ultimately sharing my story, sharing the pain, sharing
Speaker 5: the shit. That was the moment that I shared that
Speaker 5: at this event, like everything changed for me. But I'm
Speaker 5: so grateful that I was able to find a way
Speaker 5: out because I work with and talk to so many
Speaker 5: people that haven't found a way out or never found
Speaker 5: a way out and ultimately ended their lives through addiction
Speaker 5: or mental health or suicide because of it. So for
Speaker 5: me to be sitting on here with you two and
Speaker 5: just knowing Trent, you're.
Speaker 4: Doing all the same work. You didn't have the addiction.
Speaker 5: You found a way and kind of had that awareness
Speaker 5: encouraged to step into it. But it's it's been the
Speaker 5: greatest gift and now to be able to teach that
Speaker 5: back to athletes, like I mean, Darren was one of
Speaker 5: the first ones that actually completely stepped totally into this,
Speaker 5: and you know, he was doing music and you know
Speaker 5: now the podcast and his foundation and he has all
Speaker 5: these other things. So football is just a platform to
Speaker 5: reach people, you know, and I'm speaking.
Speaker 4: For him right now, but it's so much bigger than that.
Speaker 5: And all you got to do is just look at
Speaker 5: what number he is this year for the New York
Speaker 5: Football Giants and that says everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's major. And I want to just ask even
Speaker 3: Darren on this like question because I'm just curious, like
Speaker 3: what's your transition because I noticed that about you and
Speaker 3: I love it how you know, you have so many
Speaker 3: different faces that you're like, you know, yes, I'm a
Speaker 3: football player, cool, but you know these are the things
Speaker 3: that I care about. WHI while I have this platform,
Speaker 3: I'm going to push these things, Like is it tough
Speaker 3: doing that, you know, like, is it ever from the
Speaker 3: fans like, oh, like you should be focused on this
Speaker 3: or that, or you should be a football player because
Speaker 3: I know the box put like, how how do you
Speaker 3: handle that part of it? I'm just curious. Yeah, there
Speaker 3: is that. That is a reality.
Speaker 2: So if we look at just like music, for example,
Speaker 2: I've been doing music since I got suspended from the
Speaker 2: league for over a year in twenty seventeen, I was
Speaker 2: really locking it on music and I put an album
Speaker 2: out when I was in Oakland in twenty nineteen, and
Speaker 2: that was when like I really started taking off and
Speaker 2: making a name for myself and my performance on the field.
Speaker 2: And I was playing every game and doing well, and
Speaker 2: people were like, oh, the music is the music is dope,
Speaker 2: Like they're playing in the stadium, Like nobody was really
Speaker 2: saying anything.
Speaker 3: You get a couple of.
Speaker 2: People that was like, all stick to football, like but
Speaker 2: that that's that is what it is. But this past season,
Speaker 2: I was putting out videos and stuff like that that
Speaker 2: I had filmed in the summer before training camp even started,
Speaker 2: and I think I put one out. I'd already scheduled
Speaker 2: to put it out, like on a Friday and it
Speaker 2: was after we had played like a Thursday.
Speaker 3: Game and didn't win the game and I.
Speaker 2: Had been injured, and so people were like, what is this,
Speaker 2: Like you don't care about the game, you don't care
Speaker 2: about the craft, and and so that that kind of
Speaker 2: became a theme. I think like people kind of like
Speaker 2: picked up on that and like it just became like
Speaker 2: a cool thing to do, and it's and it's tough,
Speaker 2: you know. So it's like, you know, people look at
Speaker 2: your performance and it's like, if you're performing to my
Speaker 2: liking and entertaining me to the level that I would like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let you live. I'm gonna let you do
Speaker 2: what you do. But if you're not, nah, we need
Speaker 2: to we need to stick to your day job. And
Speaker 2: you know, people don't really know that I'm not doing
Speaker 2: the music to be popular or to have this brand.
Speaker 2: Like this is just me doing something that I love
Speaker 2: to do, I would do for free, I would do
Speaker 2: if I never posted it again. And it's just a
Speaker 2: great balance from everything that football demands, you know. And
Speaker 2: so I've received that. I've received that with a lot
Speaker 2: of things. And you got to kind of learn to
Speaker 2: focus in and be like a lot of these people
Speaker 2: are came in because of the performance.
Speaker 3: Some people are here for me, but some people are
Speaker 3: here for the performance.
Speaker 2: If the performance isn't always there, because I'm an imperfect
Speaker 2: human being and it's not always going to be that way,
Speaker 2: you got to risk being able to lose some of
Speaker 2: that because that's not the deep, affectionate, unconditional love that
Speaker 2: we long for. That's and we have to be able
Speaker 2: to find ways to differentiate from that. But that's not
Speaker 2: to say it wasn't like a little bit stung a
Speaker 2: little bit, you know, because these are people that were
Speaker 2: your fans and support you and and all that. But
Speaker 2: it's all learning, it's all recognizing like, okay, like this
Speaker 2: is what it is.
Speaker 3: But I can't let.
Speaker 2: It deter me from doing what I feel called to
Speaker 2: do because I feel like I have a voice in
Speaker 2: this music. I feel like I have a voice in
Speaker 2: these activities that I do. I'm not just out here
Speaker 2: putting out a whole bunch of nonsense, you know. I
Speaker 2: feel like I have something to say and I want
Speaker 2: to communicate it in the way that I want to
Speaker 2: communicate it. But also at the same time, everything that
Speaker 2: I do, like Donnie a quote you ought to say
Speaker 2: that I love is how you do something is how
Speaker 2: you do everything. And so I'm going to be excellent
Speaker 2: in everything that I do and not short one area
Speaker 2: to put more time and effort into another, and just
Speaker 2: stand tall on my convictions and feel good about what
Speaker 2: I see when I look in the mirror. And because
Speaker 2: I spent way too much of my life worried about
Speaker 2: what other people's opinions were of me.
Speaker 5: Well, there's a lot there bro a couple things Darren
Speaker 5: touched on. Well, when I hear you so clearly articulate
Speaker 5: how you stay focused, how you find your center, like
Speaker 5: that shit doesn't happen overnight, and it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 5: come with a ton of work and discipline and focus
Speaker 5: and whatever the practices are that you've had, and continue it,
Speaker 5: continue to level up to find those practices right to
Speaker 5: be able to eliminate the noise, and yeah, the dedication
Speaker 5: that you've had to find that and a lot of
Speaker 5: it is also getting to the core wound of this
Speaker 5: like not enough, not black enough, different story, right, And
Speaker 5: I wanted to actually segue that into trends story because
Speaker 5: I think Trent, I've heard you say before that the
Speaker 5: first time that you ever felt like you weren't enough
Speaker 5: was when you got drafted, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, Well I wasn't. I wasn't drafting right,
Speaker 3: So I was waiting two days. I was supposed to
Speaker 3: fifth or sixth round, but it didn't happen. And that
Speaker 3: was the first moment of my life where you know,
Speaker 3: obviously I was telling everybody I was good, I was okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about it, but deep down inside I
Speaker 3: was hurt. I was like, man, like, am I not
Speaker 3: good enough? Like, you know, I put up the numbers,
Speaker 3: like I ran when I was supposed to run, Like
Speaker 3: what's up? And at that moment, I was like, man,
Speaker 3: maybe I'm not cut out for this. And I went
Speaker 3: through a little bit of what I now know like
Speaker 3: a small form of depression until my phone rang, you know,
Speaker 3: as a hot paraty free agent, and then that that
Speaker 3: shift happened. Even going in there, you know, you're starting
Speaker 3: off the bottom of the totem poles. So even then
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, like, am I even supposed to be here?
Speaker 3: It's like the first time in my life where I
Speaker 3: questioned my skills, my ability, and just myself in general.
Speaker 4: How dark did that get?
Speaker 5: Like what was the bottom or the darkest place that
Speaker 5: not enough story or that maybe just the transition if
Speaker 5: you even fast forward to when you knew football wasn't
Speaker 5: going to be a reality, Like where did you go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I went to the things that I probably
Speaker 3: shouldn't have went to, you know. I went to the drugs, alcohol,
Speaker 3: the club and all the things that numbed it, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And I was saying that was
Speaker 3: self care, right, that was my thing. I'm just taking
Speaker 3: care of myself, right, that's the self care that I
Speaker 3: thought was self care at the time, But really it
Speaker 3: was me running from my reality at the time, and
Speaker 3: my lowest point had to be well two thousand and nine,
Speaker 3: and you know I've told this story before, but you know,
Speaker 3: I was with the Seahawks that released me, and I
Speaker 3: was back home in Dallas. They called me and say, hey,
Speaker 3: like we want you to come, you know, up here.
Speaker 3: So I rush home from Dallas to Fortworth. It's about
Speaker 3: like a forty five minute drive through some stuff in
Speaker 3: the suitcase. You know, I'm on Facebook at the time.
Speaker 3: Tell everybody I'm going back, you know, I tell my parents,
Speaker 3: everybody's happy. I get to the airport, and I can
Speaker 3: laugh about it now. I wasn't laughing at but I
Speaker 3: can get to the airport, and I get to the
Speaker 3: airport and you know that two o six number calls
Speaker 3: and I'm like it's weird, okay, hey this like have
Speaker 3: you left yet? And I was like nah, and it
Speaker 3: was like, well, we have the plans on things like
Speaker 3: don't leave, like we'll bring you back later, and they
Speaker 3: never brought me back. So at that moment, I was like, like,
Speaker 3: I was so hurt, and I was like, man, you know,
Speaker 3: I felt like that door had shut. I didn't love
Speaker 3: the game anymore or anything like that, and I just
Speaker 3: really felt like, man, you know what, I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: live my life. I'm gonna just do the things that
Speaker 3: I know make me feel good. And I ran to
Speaker 3: those things, and obviously that just feeled avoid temporarily and
Speaker 3: doed me in a deeper depression.
Speaker 5: What we suppress turns into depression. Right, that's another one
Speaker 5: of your lines. I mean, there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 5: as I'm revisiting our conversation and just how much First
Speaker 5: I want to just reac anology for how much of
Speaker 5: an inspiration you've been in my life and always showing
Speaker 5: up and then watching you on stage live, Like, there's
Speaker 5: a lot of motivational speakers out there, but Trent's like
Speaker 5: on a whole other level in addition to the level
Speaker 5: of authenticity just his stage presence and then what he's
Speaker 5: talking about is I mean, you've always just spoken right
Speaker 5: right straight to my heart. So thank you for that, man, and.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 2: I want to I want to enlighten the people about
Speaker 2: what you talked about on our first conversation was the
Speaker 2: dark work. I don't think people may know about that
Speaker 2: or have an adequate definition of what that is. Could
Speaker 2: you explain that to everybody else listening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the work that you're doing in the dark.
Speaker 3: It's that work that doesn't get celebrated, you know, the athlete.
Speaker 3: I'm telling this to my son. We worked out this
Speaker 3: morning in the garage, and like, this is the work
Speaker 3: that sucks, right, but you fall in love with this
Speaker 3: work because this is the work that when you show
Speaker 3: up on the field and you're doing the thing, people
Speaker 3: call you lucky, but they don't know that you're putting
Speaker 3: this dark work over time. And so whether it's sports
Speaker 3: or whether it's mentally it's the prayers, is to getting
Speaker 3: into your word's to reading the books and things that
Speaker 3: aren't sexy that nobody sees. It's the working on your craft.
Speaker 3: It's to being addicted to the mastery right in your
Speaker 3: craft and really putting your best foot forward with music,
Speaker 3: whatever it may be, and nobody sees that process. But
Speaker 3: then those are the things that really help you shine
Speaker 3: the light, right, those are the things that people celebrate
Speaker 3: you for, and those are things that people recognize you for.
Speaker 3: So the dark work isn't sexy. I always say, progression
Speaker 3: is an ugly role that leads to a beautiful place.
Speaker 3: So now I get this all the time, bro, Like
Speaker 3: they're like, oh man, your overnight success. It's like what
Speaker 3: I've been doing this since two thousand and nine, Like
Speaker 3: go look at the dark work of the videos on
Speaker 3: YouTube where I'm like, ah, that's terrible, but I was
Speaker 3: still proud of myself for stepping into that moment. So
Speaker 3: that dark work, man, is the things that aren't celebrated,
Speaker 3: But it's the reason that people will celebrate you. You
Speaker 3: know maybe in two or three years or a year
Speaker 3: when that harvest actually comes from the seed that you
Speaker 3: plan it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there's so many in this world today, I
Speaker 2: feel like dark work bankrupts this idea of a pain free,
Speaker 2: completely comfortable, obstacle free experience that we all want, you know,
Speaker 2: like no matter you know, even today, Like with the
Speaker 2: discipline and practice I have in place, sometimes I wish
Speaker 2: results and certain things would come faster than they do.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of in us as human beings. But
Speaker 2: I love that term and that idea because if we
Speaker 2: could get that into young people earlier on, like this pain,
Speaker 2: this suffering isn't breaking you, it's not gonna keep you down.
Speaker 2: It's actually gonna help you build. It's actually gonna help
Speaker 2: lay a foundation for anything that you're going to try
Speaker 2: to do, anything that you any challenge you may come across.
Speaker 2: If we could just circulate that message, I feel like
Speaker 2: that could go a long way, more than anything else
Speaker 2: you may explain, just like, hey, when you get to
Speaker 2: something hard, go through it, stick with it, embrace because
Speaker 2: one day you're going to look back on it and
Speaker 2: be grateful for it, as opposed to run from it
Speaker 2: or numb from it. It's a big deal because it's
Speaker 2: all across my story. I'm a drug addict and alcoholic
Speaker 2: in recovery because my addiction form because I didn't want
Speaker 2: to feel things like That's really the basis behind my
Speaker 2: using was I just don't want to go through that.
Speaker 2: I don't want to feel this, get rid of this
Speaker 2: as soon as possible. I don't want to have to
Speaker 2: sit with it and deal with it and work through it.
Speaker 2: And that's why I feel like this. Just the messaging
Speaker 2: behind that is so universal. And I had to get
Speaker 2: you to speak on that for a couple of minutes.
Speaker 3: For sure, Man, I appreciate that. And you said that
Speaker 3: word suffering, like I think suffering comes with a negative thing,
Speaker 3: Like yes, there's I would say, choose your suffering.
Speaker 4: There is a.
Speaker 3: Negative suffering that I like to say use it comes
Speaker 3: from regret because you look back and like, man, I
Speaker 3: wish I would have. But there's a positive suffering, right,
Speaker 3: Suffering builds, Perseverance builds and do lareance builds faith. You know,
Speaker 3: we have to go through our suffering, you know, in
Speaker 3: order to get to certain things in our life. And
Speaker 3: so I've been trying to even with myself and my
Speaker 3: kids and the athletes I'm around are just people in general,
Speaker 3: Like you know, there's certain things that You've got to
Speaker 3: go through to be able to get to the thing
Speaker 3: that you want. So this is a part of it.
Speaker 3: So enjoy it, you know, I mean celebrate it. And
Speaker 3: you know, sometimes it's hard for people that accept that,
Speaker 3: but you know, I think when they look back and realize, like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is the sacrifice I got to make in order
Speaker 3: to get this, and they realize, you know, like this
Speaker 3: is a part of the process in order to be great, it.
Speaker 4: Makes me think of another trend Shelton quote.
Speaker 5: That's the only way to harbor true strength is to
Speaker 5: conquer the pain at its deepest level.
Speaker 4: And I'd love to ask.
Speaker 5: You, I can't imagine any more pain than the loss
Speaker 5: of a parent, Like what has that been?
Speaker 4: Like what is the dark work.
Speaker 5: And the grief and how is that grief that grieving
Speaker 5: process continuing to unfold as you really lean into that pain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's definitely the hardest thing ever, you know, losing mom,
Speaker 3: and especially for me, Mom was, you know, my biggest supporter.
Speaker 3: I always give her credit my dad to my dad
Speaker 3: is phenomenal, but Mom was the was the one bringing
Speaker 3: me with her to conferences and like instilling this in me.
Speaker 3: And I even know that you know at such a
Speaker 3: young age, and so seeing her go through her suffering,
Speaker 3: you know, and the thing that I tell people, like
Speaker 3: what really changed it for me? You know when you
Speaker 3: see man stuff, when you see your mom you know,
Speaker 3: for six months, you know, in hospice, and she's still
Speaker 3: keeping faith. Like she had brain cancer, she had breast cancer,
Speaker 3: she had liver cancer, and she's still keeping her faith.
Speaker 3: And it's like this is a different type of faith
Speaker 3: that I've never seen. She's still thanking God even when
Speaker 3: she's dying. And the day that she passed, you know,
Speaker 3: I got to call at four him in the morning.
Speaker 3: I already knew what it was. My dad called me
Speaker 3: and I went over there and I had just seen
Speaker 3: her two days before that and she had her hardest day,
Speaker 3: like she was struggling to breathe everything, Like I thought
Speaker 3: I was gonna lose her in that moment. And when
Speaker 3: I went over there after she passed, just looked at
Speaker 3: so much at peace. And the thing that I told
Speaker 3: my mom on that Friday before she passed, I said, Mom,
Speaker 3: you're healing. You know what I mean, It's okay, you're healing.
Speaker 3: You don't have to fight like you're healing it's good.
Speaker 3: And she left that Saturday night early Sunday morning. And
Speaker 3: when you see somebody you know with a body bag
Speaker 3: and put it in the you know, the hearse, it's
Speaker 3: just reality. And so I made my mom this promise
Speaker 3: to take care of everybody, and I put that burden
Speaker 3: on myself and I wasn't even allowing myself to heal
Speaker 3: because I was making sure everybody else was okay. And
Speaker 3: it got to a point, man, where I was looking
Speaker 3: in the mirror one day, and this is what really
Speaker 3: turned I call it my grief into my greatness. And
Speaker 3: there's days, bro even today, like when I'm about being
Speaker 3: on stage, let me text my mom, or fourth of July,
Speaker 3: like I'm like, dang, it's the reality is she's not here,
Speaker 3: but she's still here more than ever. And I remember,
Speaker 3: probably a year after she passed, Man, I was in
Speaker 3: the bathroom and I remember looking in the mirror and
Speaker 3: I was at a very very very low point, very
Speaker 3: low point. Nobody would know because I was smiling for
Speaker 3: the camera, you know, but I was really dying behind
Speaker 3: the scenes, as I say, And I just had this
Speaker 3: thought and I thought about my kids, and I said,
Speaker 3: man passed away. I wouldn't want to be the reason
Speaker 3: why my kids gave up. I wouldn't want to be
Speaker 3: the reason why they lived in the depression. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: want to be the reason why they stopped going hard
Speaker 3: like I would want to be the reason why they
Speaker 3: went harder. You know what I mean? Do it for daddy,
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. Let's go. And I sat
Speaker 3: there and I said, man, my mom was such like
Speaker 3: she worried about everything, bro Like she would call me
Speaker 3: like like I pray for you to take out the
Speaker 3: treasure you okay, Like she worried about everything. So I said,
Speaker 3: I know my mom is worrying right now if she
Speaker 3: can hap you know, happen to be able to see
Speaker 3: this right she's worrying. She's sad because her baby boy
Speaker 3: and even her boys like they're giving up. And at
Speaker 3: that moment, I said, man, I felt these words and
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's true to certainly, I said
Speaker 3: my mother, Mom, I know you can't rest in peace
Speaker 3: UNCEI I'm living in peace. And that switched everything for me.
Speaker 3: I said, now was the moment where yes, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go through my hard times with grief, but I'm gonna
Speaker 3: make sure she stays alive forever. I'm gonna make sure
Speaker 3: the legacy is carried on. I'm gonna make sure generations
Speaker 3: have we have generational healing, generational health, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. I'm gonna make sure of that. Because she
Speaker 3: ran this race of life and I refuse to allow
Speaker 3: that race to be in vain. I need to do
Speaker 3: my part. So I got the baton and at that
Speaker 3: moment it changed everything for me, just like that, And
Speaker 3: now the tears are happy instead of sad tears.
Speaker 4: Wow, thank you for sharing that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm thinking about as you walked us through
Speaker 5: that and hearing how she used to worry about everything.
Speaker 5: But really, at the end, what most people are so
Speaker 5: worried about dying, there was this unshakable faith where she
Speaker 5: was mirroring, mirroring and modeling that unwavering faith when she
Speaker 5: was about to leave this earth. So to be able
Speaker 5: to plant that seed for you, And yeah, the way
Speaker 5: that you turn around things and maybe this is something
Speaker 5: that you've talked about before. Maybe you can touch on this.
Speaker 5: Those those three questions that you'll you'll ask maybe if
Speaker 5: you're needing, if you're stuck, or you're needing a perspective
Speaker 5: shift with how am I going to respond what does
Speaker 5: this mean to you? Or what does this mean to me?
Speaker 5: And then how am I going to use it? And
Speaker 5: then maybe touch on that last piece where you say,
Speaker 5: instead of saying what does this mean, it's what is
Speaker 5: this going to mean?
Speaker 4: So maybe you can touch on that.
Speaker 5: You can articulate it a lot better than I can,
Speaker 5: but I'd love to hear about it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: That's it, man. You know I talk a lot about
Speaker 3: if anybody can be a title I wwould say I
Speaker 3: really help people like shift their perspective right from their
Speaker 3: prison to their power. I think perspective is everything in life.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: We can look at a thing and we can see
Speaker 3: the worst in it or we can see the best
Speaker 3: in it. And I've been living by these words because
Speaker 3: of that, and it's a simple phrase that helps me shift.
Speaker 3: And the words are it could be worse, it will
Speaker 3: get better. So always tell myself that when I'm going
Speaker 3: through a hard time, it could be worse, which you could,
Speaker 3: it will get better. And that helps me shift into
Speaker 3: my power of my in my perspective and so perspective
Speaker 3: I like to tell people it's like a set of lenses, right,
Speaker 3: it's like you're set of lenses of how you see
Speaker 3: the world. We can't control the experiences most times, we
Speaker 3: can control the meaning we give to the experience. So
Speaker 3: I always say, like, life is not about what happens
Speaker 3: to you, It's about the meaning that you give it, right,
Speaker 3: It's about how you use it. If you're down at halftime,
Speaker 3: you're not going to be like all this means that
Speaker 3: you know, we ain't coming back as an athlete, we
Speaker 3: know now this means we're gonna have a comeback. That's
Speaker 3: what this means. We're gonna mean the Patriots with Atlanta.
Speaker 3: This means we have the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history,
Speaker 3: you know. So that is kind of the mindset that
Speaker 3: I've taken to everything in my life. When something happens,
Speaker 3: that's that's different right there.
Speaker 2: Man, that I read a quote a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2: I think it's Mark Twain. It said, the ancestor of
Speaker 2: an action is a thought, And like you just put
Speaker 2: such great wording to it, because somebody can't write a
Speaker 2: new story, write a comeback story without first a perspective
Speaker 2: of this is worth writing, or I have the power
Speaker 2: to write it. Experience and healing and wisdom is going
Speaker 2: to come for me to write this story. And it's
Speaker 2: a choice in every single moment, But a lot of
Speaker 2: us we feel like there isn't one, or we aren't
Speaker 2: present to the fact that there is one. We're not
Speaker 2: present to the fight that is there right in front
Speaker 2: of our face for us to take that perspective anytime
Speaker 2: that we want to.
Speaker 3: And it's just, man, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And I keep going back to thinking about what your
Speaker 2: mom being at peace, right, And it kind of goes
Speaker 2: back to thinking own asses are like she was her
Speaker 2: treasure of her heart in the right place. Like the
Speaker 2: things that she valued her entire life and sought after
Speaker 2: allowed her to be at peace, whereas most people at
Speaker 2: that point in life may be fighting for if I
Speaker 2: could have one more moment, if I could have one
Speaker 2: more chance to if I can have a little bit
Speaker 2: more time with my dad or my brother. It's like,
Speaker 2: are people just not focused on the right things? Are
Speaker 2: people like? Are we eternally distracted in a way? What
Speaker 2: do you think that that speaks to? Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: you hear the nail on the head. I think we
Speaker 2: are distracted. I mean more than ever. Right, we live
Speaker 2: in a world.
Speaker 3: For other distractions, and I like to tell people like,
Speaker 3: fulfillment is what matters. Right. You could have everything and
Speaker 3: not be fulfilled, and we know it, and you're not
Speaker 3: going to be at peace in your life. I've seen
Speaker 3: highly successful people. I've been there at the point in
Speaker 3: my life where I have all the success, right, I
Speaker 3: check all the boxes, but I'm not doing what I
Speaker 3: truly love, and there's a sense of like, man, I'm
Speaker 3: not fulfilled in life. And I've had the opposite where yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not checking off all the boxes as far as
Speaker 3: in the world's eyes, but I'm checking off all the
Speaker 3: boxes that I care about in my life. Kind of
Speaker 3: what you talked about earlier, what you're doing music and
Speaker 3: the things that you care about the podcast. You're checking
Speaker 3: off those boxes. So you're having that sense of fulfillment,
Speaker 3: that sense of meaning, like I'm doing the things that
Speaker 3: mean something to me with my mother. And it's funny
Speaker 3: you mentioned that, man, because I'm currently writing my book
Speaker 3: Protect Your Piece, and I talk about that in the
Speaker 3: process of like even the athletes, I say, you see
Speaker 3: the athlete that has peace in the big moment, like
Speaker 3: maybe the last second shot, it'd be Jordan or whatever.
Speaker 3: It may be or the big time catch, you know,
Speaker 3: and fourth down, it's just like they have pieces because
Speaker 3: they prepare for that, right, they position themselves for that
Speaker 3: over and over and over. They suffered in those practices
Speaker 3: for that. And so when I look at my mom's life, Yeah,
Speaker 3: she died in peace because she lived in priority. Right,
Speaker 3: she died in peace because she lived in priority. So
Speaker 3: like the things that matter to her, she did those things.
Speaker 3: She spent time with her kids, right, she instilled the
Speaker 3: things in her kids that she wanted to instill. She
Speaker 3: had the values, and like she lived a life by that.
Speaker 3: And I took that and one of the things that
Speaker 3: I tell people today and it kind of hits people
Speaker 3: in the heart, and I say, you know, the thing
Speaker 3: that I realized with my mother because when she died,
Speaker 3: like I was in my phone, like I was listening
Speaker 3: to like even like the Jay Electric Jee Electronicals on
Speaker 3: with Jayzon. I don't know if you heard it, but
Speaker 3: it's like literally to the tea of what I was
Speaker 3: dealing with. Like I'm scrolling texts all day long, like
Speaker 3: trying to find things my mom left me, and then
Speaker 3: it hit me, It's like it's not by what she
Speaker 3: left for you. It's about what she left in you
Speaker 3: and her car went back to the dealership, right. Her
Speaker 3: jewelry got dispersed through her family, her clos are still there,
Speaker 3: like all the things, all the possessions, like they didn't
Speaker 3: go with her, you know what I mean. So I realized, like, wow,
Speaker 3: what did live on is everything she's putting us. And
Speaker 3: so this quote I created from this. Your life is
Speaker 3: not multiplied through your possessions. It's multiplied through your purpose.
Speaker 3: So if we want to multiply our life, we want
Speaker 3: to continue to live on, we want to continue to
Speaker 3: create change even when we're no longer here. It's all
Speaker 3: about purpose, because our possessions die when we die. Right.
Speaker 3: So that's really taught me a lot about that process
Speaker 3: of like what matters most, what's going to live on
Speaker 3: even when I move on, you know, and transition and
Speaker 3: so oh yeah, man, it's something that I'm trying to
Speaker 3: live by day by day.
Speaker 5: It sounds like everything you do and how you show
Speaker 5: up each day is ultimately to protect your piece.
Speaker 4: And I know that's the name of your next book.
Speaker 5: So maybe maybe we can bring this all full circle
Speaker 5: and you can just share a little bit about the book,
Speaker 5: Why those words protect your piece matters so much to you?
Speaker 4: And when that book's going to be coming out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the book comes out January twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: It's words that I've been living by man since two
Speaker 3: thousand and probably ten twenty eleven. And protect your peace
Speaker 3: means different things for everybody, right, But the thing I
Speaker 3: like to explain is it's hard to experience peace in
Speaker 3: your life. Right when you're trying to control things that
Speaker 3: out of your control. Right, you'll never be at peace.
Speaker 3: So peace is being able to let go of controlling
Speaker 3: situations and just be good with just trusting the process,
Speaker 3: being good with trusting God's playing for your life, and say,
Speaker 3: you know what, everything is going to work out. Peace
Speaker 3: doesn't mean the storm doesn't exist. Right, It's not naive
Speaker 3: to say, oh, the storm doesn't exist. No, the storm exists.
Speaker 3: But I have peace and knowing the storm show path
Speaker 3: that's where my peace comes in. So I can learn
Speaker 3: how to dance in the rain. I can have that
Speaker 3: gardener's mindset and celebrate the rain because I understand that
Speaker 3: the rain, just like in the real world with a gardener,
Speaker 3: it's growing the garden and it's also growing things in
Speaker 3: my life. It's growing my faith, it's growing my perseverance,
Speaker 3: my endurance, it's growing my what me folks on what
Speaker 3: really matters. And so it's non principles in the book
Speaker 3: Throbbing in the Chaotic World, and you know, it's broken
Speaker 3: down in three sections. So I break down protect your
Speaker 3: peace in these three sections. The first is protect your energy, right.
Speaker 3: I mean we do that by disconnecting often, we do
Speaker 3: that by setting boundaries. We do that by doing our worth.
Speaker 3: We give energy away so freely and as if we
Speaker 3: have an infinite amount. That's why we live in a
Speaker 3: world full the burnout. We live in a world full
Speaker 3: of stress because we're not taking care of our energy.
Speaker 3: The second part of the book is protect your mind. Right.
Speaker 3: That is kind of what we talk about. What's your perspective,
Speaker 3: what's your vision right, the things that you want to do.
Speaker 3: Protecting that because the world, as we know, is going
Speaker 3: to tell you that you shouldn't be doing this, you
Speaker 3: shouldn't be doing that's impossible, So it's about really protecting that.
Speaker 3: And then the last part is protect your soul. And
Speaker 3: that's the deep work of you know, as I call
Speaker 3: it soul fulfillment. That's the deep work of creating simple happiness.
Speaker 3: And where I learned that from is looking at my kids,
Speaker 3: I'm like, where did we get to? Where we made
Speaker 3: happin is so hard to obtain, right, Like we got
Speaker 3: to have all these things checked off to be happy.
Speaker 3: And if you look at the people who are have
Speaker 3: the most, and there's a thing what like you know
Speaker 3: you happiness works off of what's happened, and I kind
Speaker 3: of I agree with that to an extent. But the
Speaker 3: kind of happens I'm talking about is that internal happiness
Speaker 3: that more like joy that doesn't depend on what's happening
Speaker 3: in your life. So you look at your kids and
Speaker 3: I call it morning Marley. So that's my baby girl.
Speaker 3: And I wrote this in the book because it was
Speaker 3: a morning that she does this all the time. She
Speaker 3: came in our room and said, it's morning. This morning,
Speaker 3: she loved up. She was so happy it was morning,
Speaker 3: and it clicked like, Man, I want that type of
Speaker 3: joy where I just wake up and be happy that
Speaker 3: it's just morning time. And I just studied her and
Speaker 3: just watched it that whole day and she just happy
Speaker 3: for the flowers and the things that as we grow
Speaker 3: up as adults we overlook and we take for granted,
Speaker 3: and so the whole book is just really bringing people
Speaker 3: back home to their soul and in such a chaotic world.
Speaker 3: I think Nipsey said it best right, and I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's his cool, but I know that, you know,
Speaker 3: I saw the video and he said, you know, would
Speaker 3: you rather be at peace with the world and at
Speaker 3: war with yourself or vice versa? Be at peace with
Speaker 3: yourself and at war with the world. And that's what
Speaker 3: protecting your piece is all about. In the nutshell, it's
Speaker 3: being at peace with yourself no matter what's going on,
Speaker 3: you and everything is going to be okay and workout. Man.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Trent.
Speaker 2: You are a blueprint not to just respond to adversity
Speaker 2: one time or come back one time, but to make
Speaker 2: responding to adversity successfully a lifestyle. Man. So appreciate the
Speaker 2: way that you just use your words and how impactful
Speaker 2: you are just as yourself. And thank you for your time.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: I know it's valuable and we appreciate you spending it
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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