Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hell that for me, I'm
Speaker 1: a man, I'm forty.
Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to
Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day
Speaker 2: at the State?
Speaker 1: Is that woo woom?
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Speaker 3: To the solid Verbo boys and girls. My name is
Speaker 3: ty hilden Brandt. You know the drill. You know the drill.
Speaker 3: It's a Friday. You will hear from Dan momentarily because
Speaker 3: this is an excerpt from the show we did yesterday.
Speaker 3: College football Thursdays every Thursday, live five pm East, two
Speaker 3: pm West on Spotify. If you didn't join us this week,
Speaker 3: hopefully you can join us next. The game you're about
Speaker 3: to hear is one that Dan and I called trust issues.
Speaker 1: Trust issues.
Speaker 3: We went through a bunch of the big games, not all,
Speaker 3: but most window by window, and we examined each from
Speaker 3: the standpoint of trust. Can we trust bon Nicks? Can
Speaker 3: we trust Texas A and M? Can we trust James
Speaker 3: Franklin to put in the right damn quarterback? Stuff like
Speaker 3: that got about fifteen or so odd minutes of that
Speaker 3: episode for you. Hope you enjoy it, Hope you can
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Speaker 3: slash Spotify next Thursday, five pm East again two pm Pacific.
Speaker 3: In the meantime, here is that clip enjoy your Week eight?
Speaker 3: Trust you little indecent proposal?
Speaker 2: Right yeah, at everybody on the tip of everybody's tongue,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Is that Michael Douglas and Demi Moore from
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety whatever, it's Woody Harrelson.
Speaker 3: I trust you, then we're even. Let's go through all
Speaker 3: that Week eight has to offer. Let's start in the
Speaker 3: early block, Dan, I want to frame all of these
Speaker 3: games that I'm going to mention, by.
Speaker 2: The way, it was Robert Redford, not what Michael Douglass,
Speaker 2: the older gentleman. I am ashamed of myself and I apologize.
Speaker 2: I want to frame all of these around the issue
Speaker 2: of trust. Do we trust certain entities?
Speaker 3: So, for example, twelve pm on Fox Iowa against Ohio State,
Speaker 3: Ohio State favored by thirty points. Now this line has
Speaker 3: grown significantly. The question is simple, do we trust Ohio
Speaker 3: State's offense to cover thirty points? Do we trust Ohio
Speaker 3: State enough against a good defense, maybe the best defense
Speaker 3: they've seen yet, to cover this large of a number.
Speaker 2: Man, it's just I don't even trust either of those
Speaker 2: things fully that Iowa has a great defense. I think
Speaker 2: they have a good defense, but I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: one of those things where like, are they great? Would
Speaker 2: they be better with an average offense? Probably they'd be
Speaker 2: on the field less, But I don't know. The Big
Speaker 2: ten is sort of all over the place in their
Speaker 2: schedule has been sort of all over the place that
Speaker 2: they've performed like a good defense, but I'm still I'm
Speaker 2: still not fully there, even though I think, what are
Speaker 2: they the number one SP plus defense in America right now?
Speaker 1: Very good?
Speaker 3: Very good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very good. So Ohio State will put it
Speaker 2: to the test. And Ohio State's own schedule is I
Speaker 2: don't know, kind of disappointing, like it just in terms
Speaker 2: of there the list of opponents, like Notre Dame that
Speaker 2: was their starting quarterback and the defense played well for
Speaker 2: Notre Dame and Ohio State's offense took a second to
Speaker 2: get going. But Wisconsin, Rutgers, Michigan State, Toledo, Arkansas State, Like,
Speaker 2: do you trust those results? I say not fully.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's hard to say, right, it's hard
Speaker 3: to say. I mean, obviously, Ohio State at least the
Speaker 3: players on Ohio State don't have much control over who
Speaker 3: they play. They've taken care of business to the best
Speaker 3: of their ability thus far. We've got some activity here
Speaker 3: in the chat. Somebody's saying bucks by thirty five, Iowa
Speaker 3: can't score, They're gonna cover. I mean, it's all fair.
Speaker 3: I went Iowa in this one.
Speaker 1: I went Iowa.
Speaker 3: I thought about putting it in my Picks of the
Speaker 3: week here, I decided not to because I'm not that
Speaker 3: confident about it. But thirty just seems like an excessively
Speaker 3: large number and I can't get behind, so I do
Speaker 3: not trust oh So what is defense?
Speaker 2: How many points do you think Iowa's offense can score?
Speaker 2: That's the question right now? How many points do you
Speaker 2: trust Iowa's offense to score in this matchup against a
Speaker 2: good but still kind of beat up and I mean
Speaker 2: flawed because of the injuries defense.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say seventeen.
Speaker 2: You think Iowa can score seventeen points against Ohio State's team?
Speaker 1: Seventeen? Out your mind?
Speaker 3: Ohio State wins like forty one seventeen and Iowa covers.
Speaker 2: What what have you seen Iowa's offense? I mean, look, nothing,
Speaker 2: They scored how many points against Illinois? Six?
Speaker 1: Say, six whole points? Yes, I don't see it, man.
Speaker 2: I think it's sort of by default at this point,
Speaker 2: because I went back and forth with you on our
Speaker 2: preview show about Ohio State covering. But one thing you
Speaker 2: have to remember too, is against you know, Michigan State
Speaker 2: or wreckers of wisconsinever, they pulled their starters before the
Speaker 2: fourth cour right around then, right, Like it's the old adage,
Speaker 2: the old message board adage that like, oh they could
Speaker 2: have hung eighty, They're not going to hang eighty against Iowa.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying there is something about Ohio State
Speaker 2: where this is they're coming off of.
Speaker 1: By yes, right, that's correct, So like.
Speaker 2: Get a little bit healthier, right, I just I can't
Speaker 2: get there with Iowa of scoring more than ten or
Speaker 2: thirteen points.
Speaker 3: Let me know in the chat. Let me know in
Speaker 3: the chat. Okay, what everyone thinks?
Speaker 1: How many points?
Speaker 3: How many points is Iowa scoring? I'm taking Iowa plus
Speaker 3: the points here, let's stick in that noon block. Here's
Speaker 3: another interesting game, a game that I don't know if
Speaker 3: we thought would be interesting at this point. Maybe I
Speaker 3: don't know eight weeks ago, right, Okay, eight, maybe even
Speaker 3: like three weeks ago. But Syracuse on the road six
Speaker 3: and oh ranked Syracuse, what are they fourteenth, thirteenth, something
Speaker 3: like that. They're a top fifteen team right now on
Speaker 3: the road at Clemson, Clemson favored by thirteen and a
Speaker 3: half points. Do we trust Syracuse enough from home away
Speaker 3: from home.
Speaker 1: To keep this one close against Clemson?
Speaker 2: It's that last caveat there.
Speaker 1: Away from home.
Speaker 2: They've played one road game, it was at Yukon on
Speaker 2: an especially dangerous hornet's nest of a location. I trust
Speaker 2: them because of the number of things that they do
Speaker 2: competently to keep it close. I think I still trust
Speaker 2: Clemson more because of their big playability on offense to separate,
Speaker 2: and you know we see it, you know, weekend and
Speaker 2: week out, even when Clemson's not excellent, that middle eighth
Speaker 2: thing where they're able to, you know, get that burst,
Speaker 2: that window of a burst, that burst of a window whatever,
Speaker 2: where all of a sudden they turn a close game
Speaker 2: into a not so close game. And I think they
Speaker 2: can do that against Syracuse. I think they can turn
Speaker 2: over Garrett Schrader And the one thing I absolutely do
Speaker 2: not trust about Syracuse is if Clemson goes up twenty
Speaker 2: to seven. What does that do in terms of changing
Speaker 2: the calculus? Is there are patients from Syracuse and continuing
Speaker 2: to run the ball and trust that their defense is
Speaker 2: going to adjust and figure out Clemson on offense. That
Speaker 2: to me is the question, because I think if we're
Speaker 2: talking about which team is likelier to go up twenty
Speaker 2: to seven, it's Clemson very clearly. And so that worries
Speaker 2: me that even though Syracuse is competent in a number
Speaker 2: of ways, and I do trust the different ways that
Speaker 2: Syracuse can succeed, I don't trust them to have the
Speaker 2: same kind of burst that Clemson does. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to say I trust Clemson a little bit more at
Speaker 2: home as they themselves continue to figure things out.
Speaker 3: First off, Daniel, how dare you be smirch the name
Speaker 3: of good Renschler Field at Pratt and Whitney Stadium up
Speaker 3: at Yukon. You took time the hornet's nest that is
Speaker 3: Renchler Field.
Speaker 2: You took the time during my answer, or you could
Speaker 2: have been soaking up brilliant insight to look up Yukon's
Speaker 2: home field name.
Speaker 3: First off, yes, I did absolutely. Secondly, how dear, look,
Speaker 3: everything you said is accurate. Everything you said is accurate.
Speaker 3: I don't want to give away the game too much
Speaker 3: here because this is going to be one of my
Speaker 3: tie versus the World picks a little bit later on
Speaker 3: in the broadcast. But what I will say and something
Speaker 3: to watch out for. You know, if you're watching this game,
Speaker 3: either it gets out of hand or it doesn't.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's close. I hope it's close.
Speaker 3: But if you're at home, if you've got an adult
Speaker 3: beverage in front of you, one drink, let's say half
Speaker 3: of half a can of whatever, you got, whatever you're into.
Speaker 3: For every haphazard throw that we get from Garrett Strader,
Speaker 3: because for as good as he's been this season mm hmm,
Speaker 3: there are a couple stinker passes in him. Of course,
Speaker 3: there are a couple stinkers where it's like, wait, why
Speaker 3: did he what did he see there? Why did he?
Speaker 3: We saw it last week, We've seen it pretty much
Speaker 3: every week this year. There's two to three of them
Speaker 3: every week where you cannot figure out, for the life
Speaker 3: of you why he decided to make the throw. And
Speaker 3: believe me, when you see them, you'll know them. You
Speaker 3: don't have to stretch to try and figure out what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about, you will see him airmail a couple
Speaker 3: of balls and be like, Okay, that's what time meant.
Speaker 2: I agree. There's a number of underling things about Clemson
Speaker 2: that still has me a little bit worried that if
Speaker 2: Syracuse is in a better place creatively on offense than say,
Speaker 2: NC State, if they're in a better place in terms
Speaker 2: of creativity and effectiveness on defense than Florida State, that
Speaker 2: Syracuse can keep it close and just draft late behind
Speaker 2: the opportunity truck in this one, that they can hang
Speaker 2: around just well enough that there is a certain assumption
Speaker 2: I think I am making, and I think people are
Speaker 2: making as well, that DJU is now good.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if I'm fully there.
Speaker 2: I want to see, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: fully his fault, to be clear, And we've talked about
Speaker 2: the receiving core not being anywhere near where it's been
Speaker 2: lately at Clemson, but I don't know. They're not generating
Speaker 2: a ton of plays downfield even still, and they did
Speaker 2: better against Wake Forest, but that defense is I think
Speaker 2: considerably leakier than Syracuse's. Where I'm just not fully there
Speaker 2: that DJU has completely turned the corner by the way,
Speaker 2: for what it's worth, Patrick in the chat says he's
Speaker 2: been to East Hartford and it is a scary place.
Speaker 1: So I believe that.
Speaker 3: Have you know, mister Rubinstein, which of these four teams
Speaker 3: you trust the most? Kansas, Baylor, Duke, Miami if you
Speaker 3: had to rank them most trustworthy to least trustworthy. Kansas
Speaker 3: is squaring off against Baylor this week. Baylor now a
Speaker 3: nine and a half point favorite, which will believe me,
Speaker 3: We'll come back to that one here in a little bit. Also,
Speaker 3: Duke is a nine point dog on the road at Miami.
Speaker 3: So of those four, is it fair to say that
Speaker 3: Kansas is the most trustworthy at this point?
Speaker 2: With a backup quarterback with a defense that I still
Speaker 2: have questions about. It's I guess it depends what you
Speaker 2: mean by trustworthy. Like I have a good amount of
Speaker 2: trust in what Miami Canon can't do at this point,
Speaker 2: I have a good amount of trust in what Who
Speaker 2: else did you mention mentioned? Duke, Baylor and Kansas.
Speaker 3: Duke, Baylor, Kansas and Miami.
Speaker 2: I think Baylor's the most trustworthy team that I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody's going to.
Speaker 1: Blow Baylor out.
Speaker 2: Like I trust Baylor to be competitive in all of
Speaker 2: their matchups and to do enough well to put themselves
Speaker 2: in a position to win even if they don't. And
Speaker 2: so will they play down two opponents. They absolutely will,
Speaker 2: They definitely will. But I don't think they're necessarily the
Speaker 2: team that they were in the first couple weeks of
Speaker 2: the season. So I think Baylor of that grouping, is
Speaker 2: the most trustworthy team to compete and win.
Speaker 3: I think it's Kansas man. I'm going Kansas one, Baylor two.
Speaker 3: I think Duke is three. I put Miami four. Miami
Speaker 3: has been the least trustworthy of all these four teams
Speaker 3: so far this year. If you look at what they've
Speaker 3: done all of their six games, quite literally, all six
Speaker 3: of their games, they've underperformed their projections. This is a
Speaker 3: team that got up and was up for the entirety
Speaker 3: of the game last week against Virginia Tech twenty to zero,
Speaker 3: gave up fourteen points fourth quarter. Anyone who bet Virginia
Speaker 3: Tech ends up getting the cover in the win. Now,
Speaker 3: of course they don't care about the point spread, but
Speaker 3: I just think that it makes them untrustworthy when you
Speaker 3: see them basically mailing it in the fourth quarter the
Speaker 3: way they did or throughout the course of the season.
Speaker 3: You know, it just feels like there are fits and
Speaker 3: starts with this team that make it hard to get behind.
Speaker 3: And that's hard to say, especially given all of the
Speaker 3: offseason momentum of hiring Mario crystal Ball, of what he
Speaker 3: could bring on the recruiting trail, of we're getting money
Speaker 3: from the Miami Health Group whatever it is to build
Speaker 3: a new stadium and hire an ad and go pluck
Speaker 3: the best and brightest to be at this stage of
Speaker 3: the game now three and three, where we're seriously talking
Speaker 3: about Duke maybe beating Miami even with a nine point spread,
Speaker 3: I think it's realistic that to me seems like big
Speaker 3: time underwhelming compared to what we thought so of the
Speaker 3: four And I cannot believe I'm saying it with Duke
Speaker 3: and Kansas in this discussion right now, Miami's the least trustworthy.
Speaker 2: And if you're wondering who can you trust? Between me
Speaker 2: and between Ty, we're talking about a gentleman and Ty Hildenbrandt,
Speaker 2: who went nearly five hundred last week in his picks.
Speaker 1: It's what can I say? Nearly what can I say? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What can I say? Let us know? In the chat.
Speaker 3: Let us I see some face in the chat. Have
Speaker 3: we've got a Baylor, Kansas Miami duke?
Speaker 1: We've got uh what else we got? Oh, we got
Speaker 1: some of the ones.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's keep moving through and go to the afternoon
Speaker 3: block here. Let's you got to tell me who you
Speaker 3: trust between UCLA and Oregon. And the way that we
Speaker 3: framed it out on the podcast was bo Nix versus DTR.
Speaker 3: We alluded to it. I don't think we had a
Speaker 3: full opportunity to unpack it. So here here's where this stands.
Speaker 3: DTR has been in that UCLA system since god knows
Speaker 3: when forever he's been there. Yeah, and he knows it well,
Speaker 3: he's running that system with maximum efficiency at present. That
Speaker 3: could change, but at present, DTR looks pretty good. That
Speaker 3: being said, he does have a bit of a reputation
Speaker 3: for going missing in some games, for being inconsistent, for
Speaker 3: some bad decision making. Right, some of that's his fault,
Speaker 3: some maybe the team around him, But that is like
Speaker 3: it or not. What DTR's reputation is. Bo Knicks is
Speaker 3: actually more of the same. Bo Nicks in his time
Speaker 3: at Auburn clearly showed flashes. He showed flashes against Oregon,
Speaker 3: like his very first college game in that like the
Speaker 3: final couple of minutes to beat Oregon on Opening Night,
Speaker 3: And we've seen it throughout the course of his career,
Speaker 3: especially last season. The beginning part of last season, where
Speaker 3: it seemed as if he had turned a corner. The
Speaker 3: offense was a little different. They weren't leaning on him
Speaker 3: as hard. He was more trustworthy, and then suddenly he wasn't,
Speaker 3: and then suddenly he was hurt, and then suddenly everyone
Speaker 3: was talking about Brian Harson getting fired. But alas bo
Speaker 3: Nix is now with Oregon, and I think we've seen
Speaker 3: more of the same from him. Although he has been
Speaker 3: pretty good in his own right, it seems as if
Speaker 3: maybe the team around him is a little bit better.
Speaker 3: He is starting to find his role within this squad.
Speaker 3: Bo Nicks, dtr I know you're an organ guy, but
Speaker 3: which of these two, realistically is.
Speaker 1: More trustworthy to you?
Speaker 2: Bo Nex dtr Uh right now? Bo Nicks, And it's
Speaker 2: very strange to say that. I think he's played in
Speaker 2: more big games on the road, hasn't necessarily thrived, but
Speaker 2: there is something about dtr where I know he had
Speaker 2: a great game against USC was it last year of
Speaker 2: the year before in LA you know, three four touchdowns,
Speaker 2: fifteen yards per attempt. But there is something about there.
Speaker 2: There's a medium game quality to DTR that he has
Speaker 2: played on a number of medium stages where at least
Speaker 2: there is a to me seeing bo Nicks behind a
Speaker 2: better line throwing to a deeper roster of receivers. There
Speaker 2: is something more seasoned about bon Nicks that there is
Speaker 2: there's more poise there, potentially potentially because we have seen
Speaker 2: different versions of him. I understand yeah that I think
Speaker 2: I have more trust in bow Nicks right now. I
Speaker 2: certainly think under the previous regime. You talk about Mario
Speaker 2: christaball Organ loses that Washington State game and he willed
Speaker 2: them to victory in a pretty ugly performance in the
Speaker 2: red zone for the Oregon offense. But you know, turn
Speaker 2: that team around, kept them in it in that second half,
Speaker 2: and they poured on the points late. So I think
Speaker 2: I believe a little bit. I think DTR is terrific.
Speaker 2: But they've just been playing in LA a bunch. Washington
Speaker 2: hasn't looked good, so that win has aged not as well.
Speaker 2: And it's not UCLA's fault. Utah, of course, I think
Speaker 2: is a pretty good team, but you know, has their
Speaker 2: own flaws. I think the big thing is I think
Speaker 2: UCLA's offense is gonna perform really really well. And ultimately
Speaker 2: I don't even think it's a dtr or bo Nicks issue.
Speaker 2: I think it's which of these defenses can get off
Speaker 2: the field more often, and so I think I trust
Speaker 2: the Oregon defensive brain trust, especially against the run with
Speaker 2: a buy, rather than trusting UCLA's defense and that brain
Speaker 2: trust coming off of by Ian Oddson in the rain
Speaker 2: with Game Day there, I just think ultimately the juice
Speaker 2: and the talent went out.
Speaker 3: Juice and the talent went out. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 3: go UCLA plus the points, but I don't. As I
Speaker 3: said in the show, these teams are very evenly matched
Speaker 3: to me, very evillly matched to me. It helps that
Speaker 3: it's in Austin. But this is a huge game, is
Speaker 3: a big deal. I'm pretty excited about this one.