1 00:00:04,230 --> 00:00:07,540 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. Chuck, Jerry, Dave, 2 00:00:07,860 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: short stuff, tally ho. 3 00:00:11,380 --> 00:00:15,380 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about retirement today and specifically what can 4 00:00:15,420 --> 00:00:18,900 Speaker 2: be referred to as the retirement curse, which is this 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,919 Speaker 2: idea that, you know, maybe you're doing fine in life 6 00:00:22,980 --> 00:00:25,140 Speaker 2: and you're chugging along at your job and then you 7 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:30,010 Speaker 2: retire and you encounter all sorts of problems, maybe mental 8 00:00:30,210 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: health problems, maybe physical health problems. And retirement can be 9 00:00:35,340 --> 00:00:36,540 Speaker 2: the trigger to that kind of thing. 10 00:00:37,979 --> 00:00:39,580 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think it's one of those things 11 00:00:39,620 --> 00:00:42,220 Speaker 1: where a lot of people are familiar with anecdotally, like 12 00:00:42,260 --> 00:00:45,810 Speaker 1: maybe they've seen somebody, you know, just their health declines 13 00:00:45,870 --> 00:00:49,690 Speaker 1: very quickly or it's just something changes for the worse 14 00:00:49,729 --> 00:00:55,330 Speaker 1: from retirement. Um, and it's actually quantifiable. Um, and apparently 15 00:00:55,470 --> 00:00:57,750 Speaker 1: five to six years after retirement, this is just the 16 00:00:57,830 --> 00:01:01,430 Speaker 1: average American. I suspect it's not quite as bad elsewhere. 17 00:01:01,450 --> 00:01:04,980 Speaker 1: And in fact, I couldn't find mention of the retirement 18 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,899 Speaker 1: curse as we're presenting it anywhere else. It does seem 19 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: to be a semi American phenomenon. 20 00:01:11,900 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: Interesting. 21 00:01:13,300 --> 00:01:16,250 Speaker 1: But there's this, uh, The average American shows a 6% 22 00:01:16,250 --> 00:01:19,970 Speaker 1: to 9% decline in mental health within the first five 23 00:01:19,990 --> 00:01:23,650 Speaker 1: to six years after retirement. A 5% to 6% increase 24 00:01:23,709 --> 00:01:25,270 Speaker 1: in illness condition, right? 25 00:01:25,650 --> 00:01:26,970 Speaker 3: Yeah. 26 00:01:27,850 --> 00:01:31,090 Speaker 1: A 5% to 16% increase in difficulties with daily activities. 27 00:01:31,770 --> 00:01:34,390 Speaker 1: And when they control all the other variables, they're like, 28 00:01:34,650 --> 00:01:39,030 Speaker 1: it seems to be retirement. But of course, retirement itself 29 00:01:39,150 --> 00:01:41,950 Speaker 1: is not doing this to you. It's all the life 30 00:01:42,030 --> 00:01:43,750 Speaker 1: changes that come from retirement. 31 00:01:44,170 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. It's that transition. How you deal with that 32 00:01:48,340 --> 00:01:51,300 Speaker 2: is really, really key and something that you really got 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,860 Speaker 2: to think about going into it. I hope if you're 34 00:01:53,900 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: a person of retirement age, you've got a plan in place. 35 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,170 Speaker 2: We're going to talk more about that. But it seems 36 00:01:59,190 --> 00:02:02,450 Speaker 2: like the worst cases are when people just retire and 37 00:02:02,470 --> 00:02:04,270 Speaker 2: all of a sudden they're like, wait a minute, I 38 00:02:05,470 --> 00:02:07,650 Speaker 2: have my days free all the time. I'm not going 39 00:02:07,690 --> 00:02:10,060 Speaker 2: to this place anymore. If you went to an office, 40 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,500 Speaker 2: let's say. I'm not surrounded by people every day that 41 00:02:13,580 --> 00:02:17,399 Speaker 2: I normally might be. You know, going to work is 42 00:02:17,900 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: mental engagement. And, you know, even if you're not doing 43 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,850 Speaker 2: like hard labor, just getting up and getting out of 44 00:02:24,889 --> 00:02:27,110 Speaker 2: bed and going to an office and moving about the 45 00:02:27,150 --> 00:02:31,130 Speaker 2: world represents some kind of physical activity. And especially if 46 00:02:31,290 --> 00:02:33,090 Speaker 2: when you retire, you just kind of hit the couch 47 00:02:33,130 --> 00:02:35,950 Speaker 2: or the recliner. That's that's a big difference. 48 00:02:36,910 --> 00:02:40,070 Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, like those people that you're interacting with, even 49 00:02:40,110 --> 00:02:42,530 Speaker 1: if you work from home, just interacting with them on 50 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:46,089 Speaker 1: calls or via email, like you don't have that all 51 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: of a sudden. If you start emailing those same people, 52 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,380 Speaker 1: they're like, you retired. Go do your thing. I'm trying 53 00:02:51,419 --> 00:02:54,020 Speaker 1: to work here. Yeah. You know, they don't let you 54 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: in on calls any longer. And so if you don't 55 00:02:56,740 --> 00:02:59,380 Speaker 1: already have a pretty tight circle of friends outside of work, 56 00:02:59,500 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: which a lot of Americans do not. 57 00:03:01,500 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 58 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: Especially as you get older, it just gets harder and harder. 59 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:09,220 Speaker 1: to make friends. And because you spend a lot of 60 00:03:09,260 --> 00:03:12,660 Speaker 1: your time at work, those people become your friends de facto. 61 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,180 Speaker 1: If you don't have that network already in place, you 62 00:03:16,220 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: need to go figure out how to do it because 63 00:03:18,139 --> 00:03:22,059 Speaker 1: that is probably ultimately what's behind the decline more than anything. 64 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,930 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. And like we said, we need you 65 00:03:24,970 --> 00:03:27,850 Speaker 2: need to have a plan in place for, you know, 66 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:30,790 Speaker 2: we'll talk about exercise and social engagement and stuff like that, 67 00:03:30,889 --> 00:03:33,030 Speaker 2: or maybe just keep working or work part time or 68 00:03:33,050 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: volunteer and And maybe we'll take a break and talk 69 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 2: a little bit about those work statistics right after this. 70 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:56,170 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. 71 00:03:58,350 --> 00:03:58,690 Speaker 1: All right. 72 00:03:58,750 --> 00:04:01,650 Speaker 2: I got this from the Bureau of Labor Statistics here 73 00:04:01,670 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 2: in the United States, kind of the picture over the 74 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:07,660 Speaker 2: years of, of when people stop working. Uh, I think 75 00:04:07,700 --> 00:04:09,890 Speaker 2: in 1948, uh, the, the rate of people age 65 76 00:04:09,890 --> 00:04:11,250 Speaker 2: and older working was 27%. Um, 47% of men, 9% 77 00:04:11,250 --> 00:04:13,370 Speaker 2: of women, um, age 65 and older started trending down 78 00:04:13,390 --> 00:04:16,170 Speaker 2: in the latter half of the 20th century and hit 79 00:04:16,190 --> 00:04:17,450 Speaker 2: its lowest point in 1985. And only 10% of, uh, 80 00:04:17,470 --> 00:04:34,130 Speaker 2: people of the age of 65 were working. And since 1985, 81 00:04:34,130 --> 00:04:37,539 Speaker 2: that started to grow and started to trend upward, like 82 00:04:37,580 --> 00:04:42,900 Speaker 2: people working later and later. Right. Because sometimes economic necessity, 83 00:04:42,980 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: sometimes just preference. And then the last year I had available, 84 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:48,140 Speaker 2: at least, was 2024, when it was about 19% of 85 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 2: people age 65 and over still working. And I think 38% 86 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:52,460 Speaker 2: of those were doing so part-time. 87 00:04:52,490 --> 00:04:52,610 Speaker 3: Right. 88 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: You can also like the fact that it hit its 89 00:05:01,860 --> 00:05:06,100 Speaker 1: low point in 1985. That's just about the time the 90 00:05:06,220 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: unions got broken up and pensions went away and got 91 00:05:09,060 --> 00:05:10,030 Speaker 1: replaced by 401k. 92 00:05:10,100 --> 00:05:10,540 Speaker 2: Interesting. 93 00:05:11,140 --> 00:05:11,300 Speaker 3: Yeah. 94 00:05:11,860 --> 00:05:14,540 Speaker 1: So and that is one reason why a lot of 95 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: people stay in the workforce is financial necessity. When I 96 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,820 Speaker 1: was looking for the retirement curse abroad outside of the 97 00:05:21,860 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: United States. One reference I found was in Australia, but 98 00:05:25,260 --> 00:05:27,890 Speaker 1: essentially what they were talking about was the retirement curse 99 00:05:27,910 --> 00:05:31,550 Speaker 1: of outliving your savings. And a lot of people are 100 00:05:31,589 --> 00:05:34,170 Speaker 1: scared to death by that idea. And there's a lot 101 00:05:34,190 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: of people in the United States who are like, I 102 00:05:36,710 --> 00:05:38,900 Speaker 1: have to keep working. I don't have a choice because 103 00:05:39,500 --> 00:05:42,220 Speaker 1: I'm going to keep living longer beyond my savings. So 104 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: that's a big one, especially because we don't have universal 105 00:05:45,700 --> 00:05:48,289 Speaker 1: single payer free health care here in the United States. 106 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: That gets more and more expensive the older you get. 107 00:05:51,260 --> 00:05:53,220 Speaker 1: And you happen to need it more and more the 108 00:05:53,300 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: older you get, too. So the insurance plan that mostly 109 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,220 Speaker 1: you get that through your employer, you used to before Obamacare. 110 00:06:01,700 --> 00:06:03,500 Speaker 1: If you have a good insurance plan that you don't 111 00:06:03,540 --> 00:06:06,140 Speaker 1: pay that much for through your employer, that in and 112 00:06:06,180 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: of itself is reason enough to keep working for a 113 00:06:08,779 --> 00:06:10,140 Speaker 1: lot of Americans. Yeah. 114 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:14,940 Speaker 2: End of life care is really, really, really expensive. Another reason. 115 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 1: It's a real screw job. 116 00:06:16,380 --> 00:06:18,910 Speaker 2: It is. Yeah, you work your whole life and then 117 00:06:19,470 --> 00:06:21,729 Speaker 2: get hit with a tremendous bill that you can't afford 118 00:06:21,950 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 2: at the end of it. 119 00:06:23,029 --> 00:06:23,369 Speaker 3: Exactly. 120 00:06:23,730 --> 00:06:27,790 Speaker 2: It's sad. So personal choice is another reason. People are 121 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: generally healthier and living longer these days compared to previous decades. 122 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,100 Speaker 2: And so a lot of people just want to keep 123 00:06:35,140 --> 00:06:37,300 Speaker 2: working because it gives them a sense of purpose, something 124 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:37,620 Speaker 2: to do. 125 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,580 Speaker 1: They want to keep joining those calls. 126 00:06:40,180 --> 00:06:42,460 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and remote work is another reason why people 127 00:06:42,500 --> 00:06:45,089 Speaker 2: are working a little later because, hey, you're at home, 128 00:06:45,150 --> 00:06:46,630 Speaker 2: so no skin off your back. 129 00:06:47,230 --> 00:06:51,810 Speaker 1: Yep. So there's actually a Harvard study that was like, okay, 130 00:06:52,420 --> 00:06:55,500 Speaker 1: what's behind all of this? Because yes, everybody, you know, 131 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,060 Speaker 1: has some sort of anecdotal data, but there's got to 132 00:06:58,100 --> 00:07:01,620 Speaker 1: be some factor that really rises above everything else. And 133 00:07:02,060 --> 00:07:07,029 Speaker 1: Harvard's been studying this cohort of 724 men for over 134 00:07:07,029 --> 00:07:09,850 Speaker 1: 75 years now. There's only 60 of them left and 135 00:07:09,870 --> 00:07:12,890 Speaker 1: they're all in their 90s. But every two years they 136 00:07:12,950 --> 00:07:16,190 Speaker 1: track their health. They ask them about their satisfaction in life. 137 00:07:16,930 --> 00:07:19,500 Speaker 1: And they found that when you separate the wheat from 138 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,620 Speaker 1: the chaff, the cream from the milk, the peanut butter 139 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,780 Speaker 1: from the chocolate, what stands is social connections. And we've 140 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,810 Speaker 1: talked about this before, and it makes me really nervous 141 00:07:29,870 --> 00:07:33,050 Speaker 1: every time we do. But the more social connections you have, 142 00:07:33,110 --> 00:07:35,110 Speaker 1: the more connected you are with other people, the more 143 00:07:35,150 --> 00:07:38,710 Speaker 1: you interact with other people, the happier you are, the 144 00:07:38,750 --> 00:07:41,820 Speaker 1: longer life you have, the less disease burden you have 145 00:07:42,060 --> 00:07:43,260 Speaker 1: into old age. 146 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:43,460 Speaker 3: Yeah. 147 00:07:43,830 --> 00:07:46,390 Speaker 1: And just the better off you are in general. It 148 00:07:46,490 --> 00:07:50,030 Speaker 1: seems to be the underlying thing for health into old age. 149 00:07:50,170 --> 00:07:54,420 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. The fourth, this is an amazing study, 150 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 2: the Harvard Study of Adult Development. And the fourth director 151 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: is a guy named Robert Waldinger, who is a psychiatrist. 152 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 2: And he has an awesome TED Talk that I recommend 153 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:05,980 Speaker 2: people watch. And it's a TED Talk. So it's not 154 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:06,580 Speaker 2: more than what? 155 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:07,340 Speaker 1: What is it? 156 00:08:07,340 --> 00:08:07,980 Speaker 2: 18 minutes or something? 157 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:10,620 Speaker 1: I don't remember what the, when the. 158 00:08:10,820 --> 00:08:13,060 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a set length. I can't remember, but. It's 159 00:08:13,100 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: called What Makes a Good Life? Lessons from the Longest 160 00:08:15,380 --> 00:08:18,950 Speaker 2: Study on Happiness. And he reiterates what you said is that, 161 00:08:18,990 --> 00:08:21,650 Speaker 2: you know, those relationships are kind of the key to 162 00:08:22,130 --> 00:08:27,350 Speaker 2: remain socially connected and loneliness is toxic. So, you know, 163 00:08:28,170 --> 00:08:31,530 Speaker 2: you want to avoid that stuff, both physically and mentally. 164 00:08:32,150 --> 00:08:34,780 Speaker 2: And on the physical side, one kind of obvious things 165 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: that you should do is, I mean, if you're a 166 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,179 Speaker 2: runner and you do cardio and you can keep doing that, 167 00:08:39,220 --> 00:08:42,719 Speaker 2: that's great. But strength training and stretching and stuff like that, 168 00:08:43,210 --> 00:08:47,130 Speaker 2: resistance exercises is a really big deal to start doing 169 00:08:47,550 --> 00:08:49,429 Speaker 2: or continue to do if you don't do it already 170 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,050 Speaker 2: as you get older. 171 00:08:50,580 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: It's enormous. It helps keep your bones healthy. It helps 172 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,260 Speaker 1: keep your muscles strong. It prevents things like sarcopenia where 173 00:08:59,300 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: you develop a stoop. Balance is a big one because 174 00:09:02,700 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: falls are a big problem as you get older. So 175 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: strength training, resistance training, that helps your balance as well. 176 00:09:09,260 --> 00:09:12,970 Speaker 1: And You also just want to move. One thing I'm 177 00:09:12,990 --> 00:09:15,730 Speaker 1: heartened by is there's so many people who I see 178 00:09:15,890 --> 00:09:18,230 Speaker 1: out taking walks in the middle of the day every day. 179 00:09:18,740 --> 00:09:22,459 Speaker 1: I think that's great. And that's a big part of staying, 180 00:09:23,340 --> 00:09:26,059 Speaker 1: I guess, healthy or just living life is getting outside 181 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: and moving around, even if it is just going for 182 00:09:28,380 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: a walk, you know, or chasing pigeons at the pond. 183 00:09:31,700 --> 00:09:31,980 Speaker 3: Yeah. 184 00:09:32,140 --> 00:09:34,380 Speaker 2: I mean, that's, you know, one of the mental aspects 185 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,020 Speaker 2: is daily routine. And if that's chasing pigeons is your thing. 186 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:40,580 Speaker 2: Like you need to you need to have a plan 187 00:09:40,620 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: in place and have a routine and not just be like, well, 188 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 2: what's the day going to throw my way? You know, 189 00:09:47,620 --> 00:09:49,740 Speaker 2: you also need to eat, you know, eat well, obviously, 190 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,670 Speaker 2: nutrient dense foods and get get really good sleep. That's key. 191 00:09:53,350 --> 00:09:55,670 Speaker 2: But like getting out in the world is a big one. And, 192 00:09:55,809 --> 00:09:59,470 Speaker 2: you know, I think everyone has seen this maybe sadly 193 00:09:59,530 --> 00:10:03,460 Speaker 2: somewhere in their family. Like the worst thing you can 194 00:10:03,500 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 2: do is turning that television on during daylight hours. 195 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,660 Speaker 1: It gets worse though, Chuck. If you turn it on 196 00:10:11,140 --> 00:10:14,380 Speaker 1: and you turn it on to cable news, you're toast. Yeah. 197 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: Not only are you going to die, but your family 198 00:10:17,300 --> 00:10:18,179 Speaker 1: wants you dead now. 199 00:10:18,210 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: Right. 200 00:10:20,650 --> 00:10:23,020 Speaker 1: It's a problem. It is. 201 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: When you start sitting on the couch and watching TV 202 00:10:25,420 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 2: during the day, it's you know, it can be the 203 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,340 Speaker 2: beginning of the end. So you need to be out 204 00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 2: in the world. You need to try and learn some 205 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,719 Speaker 2: new things like it's you can get so inspired by seeing, 206 00:10:36,740 --> 00:10:39,459 Speaker 2: you know, either on social media or whatever or news 207 00:10:39,500 --> 00:10:42,780 Speaker 2: stories when you see some of our senior friends out there. 208 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:45,500 Speaker 2: like taking a dance class for the first time or, 209 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: or a new hobby or learning an instrument or a 210 00:10:48,540 --> 00:10:50,989 Speaker 2: new language or something like that, like that is just 211 00:10:51,170 --> 00:10:52,210 Speaker 2: food for your brain. 212 00:10:52,750 --> 00:10:55,530 Speaker 1: Yeah. Like if your local community is like putting a 213 00:10:55,630 --> 00:10:58,829 Speaker 1: one penny tax or something, um, to, to build a 214 00:10:58,870 --> 00:11:01,530 Speaker 1: new senior center, that's money well spent. 215 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:02,050 Speaker 2: Yeah. 216 00:11:02,429 --> 00:11:05,620 Speaker 1: Agreed. Um, and then of course you can volunteer, you 217 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,860 Speaker 1: can mentor. There's a lot of stuff you can do. Um, 218 00:11:08,630 --> 00:11:11,370 Speaker 1: I think the point is to just keep doing stuff. 219 00:11:11,670 --> 00:11:15,050 Speaker 1: Like you said, resist the trap of just sitting on 220 00:11:15,070 --> 00:11:16,250 Speaker 1: the couch all day, you know? 221 00:11:16,630 --> 00:11:22,420 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the retirement curse is self-inflicted generally. So you 222 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,460 Speaker 2: hopefully have a choice as to how you spend your 223 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,479 Speaker 2: remaining years. And we say, because I'm 55, dude, that's 224 00:11:29,500 --> 00:11:34,020 Speaker 2: coming for me sooner than you. And I want to 225 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,180 Speaker 2: be out in the world. I want to be one 226 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: of those old guys who, Out there on the golf 227 00:11:37,830 --> 00:11:39,730 Speaker 2: course in his 90s or taking a, I want to 228 00:11:39,750 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: learn to dance, finally, in my 80s. 229 00:11:43,890 --> 00:11:45,610 Speaker 1: That's awesome. What kind of dance? 230 00:11:46,190 --> 00:11:47,550 Speaker 3: Modern? Jazz? 231 00:11:48,410 --> 00:11:48,910 Speaker 2: Breakdancing. 232 00:11:49,750 --> 00:11:53,390 Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be great. The breakdancing grandpa. There's your second 233 00:11:53,429 --> 00:11:54,330 Speaker 1: chapter right there. 234 00:11:54,410 --> 00:11:54,890 Speaker 2: There you have it. 235 00:11:55,809 --> 00:11:58,030 Speaker 1: Well, yes, I think this short stuff proved that we 236 00:11:58,070 --> 00:12:01,130 Speaker 1: are becoming old men and look for short stuff in 237 00:12:01,150 --> 00:12:05,830 Speaker 1: the future on sitting. And I think Chuck's short. 238 00:12:05,670 --> 00:12:06,210 Speaker 3: Stuff is out. 239 00:12:09,870 --> 00:12:12,710 Speaker 2: Stuff You Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For 240 00:12:12,750 --> 00:12:16,870 Speaker 2: more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 241 00:12:17,030 --> 00:12:18,809 Speaker 2: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.