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Speaker 1: Last June, Heavyweight performed a sold out show in the

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Speaker 1: Borough of Churches, Brooklyn, New York. The show was part

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Speaker 1: of Gimletfest, a two day podcasting festival that rivaled Woodstock

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Speaker 1: ninety four in terms of historic and cultural significance. If

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Speaker 1: you came to that show, good for you, And if not, well,

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Speaker 1: you'll have to live with that fact for the rest

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Speaker 1: of your life. So please sit back, wallow in that

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Speaker 1: regret and try to enjoy this slightly edited version of

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Speaker 1: Heavyweight Live.

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Speaker 2: I know, Jackie, did you hear me out fam in

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Speaker 2: the car? Yeah, it sounds like you're on a speakerphone.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's really good. So you know I have a podcast.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember the name of it?

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Speaker 3: John, Yes, if it's going to be okay.

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Speaker 2: What is the name of the show?

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Speaker 3: You know what? Next question?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you know that the name of the show is Heavyweight, right?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Does that ring a bell?

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Speaker 3: It rings an annoying bell?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: What does an annoying bell sound like?

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Speaker 3: You just rang it?

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Speaker 2: Okay? So I am doing a live show.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the visual dimension as much. They can

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Speaker 3: just look at a photograph of you and it's probably

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Speaker 3: do the same thing. Yeah, you know I certainly hope

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Speaker 3: you have a little bit of something to drink before.

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Speaker 3: You tend to do much better in your live performances

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Speaker 3: if you've had a little, a little something. We all

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Speaker 3: know that about you.

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Speaker 2: A little hoot yeah, yeah, I suppose take the edge off. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: little hooch is a part of the show business tradition,

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Speaker 2: back to the days of being crosbys. Yes, of course

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Speaker 2: they do. Why is that so funny? I am in

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Speaker 2: show business. I mean it's a statement of fact. I

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Speaker 3: I just want to know. Is that considered show businesses?

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Speaker 3: And if so?

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Speaker 5: Why?

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Speaker 2: Why?

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Speaker 3: Yea, I guess it's a show.

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Speaker 2: It's a show and people are entertained by it. So

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Speaker 2: I'm in show business. Nothing.

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Speaker 3: I guess you are in show business. It's cute, but

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Speaker 3: it's very cute, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, John Okay, youtobe, bye bye.

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Speaker 6: Plays and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Got the CEO and Gimblet Media founder Alex Bloomberg is

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Speaker 2: trotting in place beside my workstation. How do you like apples?

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Speaker 2: He asks? I don't care for apples, I say, when bruised,

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Speaker 2: they remind me of my mortality. When served cold, they

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Speaker 2: tend to hurt my teeth. So no, Alex, I do

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Speaker 2: not like apples, though I do like apple sauce. Well,

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Speaker 2: how do you like these apples? He asks, without looking

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Speaker 2: away from my computer screen. I ask if these apples

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Speaker 2: are sauced apples. Mister Bloomberg thrusts a letter pressed handbill

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Speaker 2: in front of my face. It smells like the clone

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Speaker 2: department of a European duty free. The handbill reads gimlet

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Speaker 2: fest Fest, it seems is short for festival. Are we

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Speaker 2: disarming a bomb? While falling from a rooftop? Alex, is

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Speaker 2: your time so precious that you can't afford two lousy

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Speaker 2: extra syllables? Of course? I say none of this out loud.

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Speaker 2: The last thing I need is to be fired from

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Speaker 2: podcasting and forced to recite my monologues into a CBE

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Speaker 2: radio while seated on the lap of some trucker named

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Speaker 2: Jean Francois. Mister Bloomberg checks his fitbit, pumps his fist thrice,

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Speaker 2: into my chest. Then he asks his real question, what

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Speaker 2: are you going to do for gimlet Fest? I don't

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Speaker 2: like public speaking. I say, the very thought of a

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Speaker 2: live event was enough to make the borsht i'd eaten

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Speaker 2: for lunch perform a slow, spiteful kazatskay in my kishka's.

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Speaker 2: Mister Bloomberg laughs, You're hilarious, he says, slapping my back

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Speaker 2: hard enough to make my fillings rattle, and the days

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Speaker 2: Borshed enter its final curtain call. For the next several months,

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Speaker 2: I do nothing but worry. By day, I hide out

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Speaker 2: shivering in mister Bloomberg's executive bathroom. By night, I sit

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Speaker 2: at the kitchen table in darkness, eating unsalted peanuts and

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Speaker 2: mental note to tweet that, and all the while I

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Speaker 2: can do nothing else but think of gimlet Fest. What

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Speaker 2: beer trimmer?

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Speaker 2: The wife cries, it's four.

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Speaker 4: In the morning.

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Speaker 2: When sleep does come, it brings ominous dreams. In one,

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Speaker 2: I hop out of a papier mache cake onto a cool,

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Speaker 2: dark stage. I am holding a ukulele. Hello, I say,

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Speaker 2: into the blackness, I'm certain there is an audience out

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Speaker 2: then a Werther's Original slowly being unwrapped. A face emerges

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Speaker 2: from the darkness. It is ABC television personality Zach Brath.

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Speaker 2: He informs me. I've been canceled. I awaken a cold sweat,

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Speaker 2: surrounded by Werther's original wrappers, and for your consideration, DVD

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Speaker 2: is of alex Ink. A week before showtime, I feel

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Speaker 2: my bowels quake. Had my nightly prayer for diverticulitis been answered,

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Speaker 2: Dear God, I in tone, please give me diverticulitis so

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Speaker 2: I don't have to do gimlet Fest. But no such luck.

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Speaker 2: It is only a visit from my old friend gas.

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Speaker 4: Mere.

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Speaker 2: Days before the event, mister Bloomberg corners me in the

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Speaker 2: Gimlet Cat Cafe, the one on the second floor. How's

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Speaker 2: that live show coming, he demands, superby croak stoically, my

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Speaker 2: voice cracking in three different places. Good good, he says,

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Speaker 2: taking a long drag of avocado flavored vape. What's the

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Speaker 2: run of the show, he asks, I don't know, I say,

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Speaker 2: ending the charade, I have nothing planned. Mister Bloomberg twitches

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Speaker 2: violently causing the two task monkeys, carrying his e hook

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Speaker 2: at a lurch from side to side. What have you

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Speaker 2: been doing with your time? He asks? The former Planet

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Speaker 2: Money spokesmodel was still capable of a hard hitting question.

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Speaker 2: What had I been doing with my time? Tweeting? I

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Speaker 2: say about the festival. Let's take this to the kitchen,

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Speaker 2: hammocks mister Bloomberg commands dutifully. I trail behind him, trying

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Speaker 2: his stomach. Mister Bloomberg explains how Gimletfest is about influencing.

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Speaker 2: It's about inspiring positive change, he says, while sipping from

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Speaker 2: a very long straw. Oh, indubitably, I squeal, let's force

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Speaker 2: feed positivity down the throats of non Matte believers everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Of course, I only squeal this to myself. The last

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Speaker 2: thing I need is to be sent back to Canada

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Speaker 2: to do the overnight weather report from Moose Factory, Ontario.

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Speaker 2: I've been thinking a lot about engaging our brand loyalists,

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Speaker 2: Alex continues, but I'm barely listening. The gentle rocking of

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Speaker 2: I'm alone. The office is dark but for the muted

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Speaker 2: headlamps of the task monkeys polishing mister Bloomberg's vate pen

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Speaker 2: The wife texts, it's four a m. Of course, I

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Speaker 2: want to help mister Bloomberg. I've been listening to him

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Speaker 2: radio DJ on This American Life since I was but

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Speaker 2: a mopheaded child strapped into the back seat of Mammon's

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Speaker 2: minivan on the way to curling practice. Leaving the office,

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Speaker 2: I pass by his treadmill desk. He is still here,

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Speaker 2: fallen into a deep sleep. Only the support of his

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Speaker 2: loyal task monkeys is keeping him upright. Good night, Podcast, Prince,

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Speaker 2: I whisper, before wandering out into the night. The night

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Speaker 2: before Gimbletfest is one of the worst of my life.

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Speaker 2: How's everybody doing tonight? I practice over and over into

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Speaker 2: How is everybody doing tonight? How's everybody doing tonight?

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Speaker 4: Go to bed?

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Speaker 2: I know that if I can just nail my opening line,

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Speaker 2: everything else will fall into place. The audience will applaud,

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Speaker 2: mister Bloomberg, will sign my paycheck, and my infant son

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Speaker 2: will start calling me dada instead of haha. And so

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Speaker 2: I practice, how's everybody doing tonight? How is everybody doing tonight?

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Speaker 2: And then it comes to me, how's everybody doing this evening?

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Speaker 2: So how's everybody doing this evening?

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Speaker 6: Hello? Jonathan Goldstein?

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Speaker 2: Uh, that's that's my human beat boxer, Devin, And this

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Speaker 2: is my co host and producer, Khalila Holt.

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Speaker 8: Hello.

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Speaker 6: Do you want to tell these people what we're gonna do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh, so tonight the theme of this evening is

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Speaker 2: Killed Killed Stories, and so we were gonna play for

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Speaker 2: you some of the stories or clips of the stories

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Speaker 2: gonna have some guests, some special guests, and uh, they're

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Speaker 2: going to be human beatboxed onto the stage.

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Speaker 6: Are you suggesting that I should be human being?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Would you like to be human beatboxed onto the stage?

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Speaker 6: Not particularly, but I will.

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Speaker 2: I think you're gonna like it more than you anticipate

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Speaker 2: it's you're gonna find it very enlivening. I did.

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Speaker 6: Do we call it human beat boxing or do we

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Speaker 6: just call it beatboxing?

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Speaker 2: He's human and he's beatboxing. So mm hmmm, i'd you

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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 6: It's okay.

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Speaker 2: Makes me so happy, Devin, come out here. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I want to tell you. I want to thank you again.

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Speaker 2: I want to tell you a story about how my

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Speaker 2: interest in human beatboxing came about. Are you familiar with

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Speaker 2: the Fat Boys? I am, Yeah, so I really like

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Speaker 2: the Fat Boys as a child, and I would try

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Speaker 2: to human beat box myself and I wasn't good at it,

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Speaker 2: and I started to feel chest pains and my parents

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Speaker 2: had to take me to the Jewish general er in Montreal,

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Speaker 2: I was giving. Is that is that a peril of it?

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Speaker 9: It can happen, Yeah, definitely seems to have happened.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I had to stop doing it. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Well, I think, uh, I think anybody can can beat box.

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Speaker 9: So I think if you push through the pain, uh one, yeah,

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Speaker 9: one day you could get there.

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Speaker 6: Can we hear? Just like a little something?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, can we hear just a tiny little here, I'll

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Speaker 9: set you up.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Sure, I know you're patronizing me, but I still

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Speaker 2: like it.

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Speaker 6: Again, leaving the stage.

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Speaker 10: Now, I think it's time to introduce our first special guests.

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Speaker 10: You may Introd know her from the Social Security number

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Speaker 10: eight two three six three eight two nine seven, or

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Speaker 10: from her work on Planet Money and This American Life,

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Speaker 10: Ladies and Gentlemen.

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Speaker 6: Zoe Chase.

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Speaker 2: Devin brings Zoe to the stage. Zoe, how was that?

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Speaker 2: Why have you ever been human being boxed onto a stage?

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Speaker 2: It's pretty nice. You get used to it. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: you can't live without it, event Hi Hi, So okay,

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Speaker 2: so we're going to talk about killed stories, and at

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Speaker 2: your prompting, we're going to talk about a killed story

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Speaker 2: of mine. And I know that it made an impact

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Speaker 2: on a young Zoe Chase. And this is a story

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Speaker 2: that almost almost got killed when I was working as

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Speaker 2: You're talking about the Little Mermaid story, right, who.

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Speaker 11: You guys know that story?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is a story. I would call my

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Speaker 5: I do not have the message. I have the message

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Speaker 5: You catch that part. You and the Little Mermaid can

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Speaker 6: Like I try.

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Speaker 12: I like beg her so let me recorder, and I

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Speaker 11: But like, I don't see it that way.

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Speaker 6: I just so happened to have a clip, and I'm.

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Speaker 6: No, but they I'll remember it better. Oh you can't.

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Speaker 2: First of all, I can't even tell you about it

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Speaker 6: I see you like every day.

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Speaker 11: That's like all the.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, man, somehow the way that you interviewed your friends

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Speaker 11: You know, long long ago.

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Speaker 2: It's a long time ago.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's it's like the best radio ever.

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Speaker 2: It's it's funny to me to hear you say that,

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Speaker 2: I'm not an easy laugh and that's been a problem

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Speaker 2: and and I've suffered for that. But but having my

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Speaker 10: Should we introduce another person who makes you laugh?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Please?

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna stick around, right, you don't have to

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Speaker 11: Yet, right, I have nothing going on.

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Speaker 10: Okay, Previously the host of it was too long, and

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Speaker 10: reply All with Alex Goldman. He has a small dog

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Speaker 10: which wants pete on Alex Bloomberg's desk. PJ Vote Everyone.

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Speaker 8: PJA vote whoa p J Vote everybody, PJ vote.

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Speaker 3: Whoa poo?

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Speaker 8: Pool Bool, PJ vote.

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Speaker 4: Pool Pool.

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Speaker 2: You just received the human beatboxing of a lifetime. My

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Speaker 7: It felt like three different stress dreams that I had

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Speaker 2: Now, PJ. So when I was figuring out Heavyweight, I

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Speaker 7: You're sort of figuring out like what is the show?

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Speaker 2: Like the ultimate irony is how one cannot know oneself.

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Speaker 2: Just as a knife cannot cut itself or a fire

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Speaker 6: I think a fire can burn itself.

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Speaker 7: You're calling it Jonathan Goldstein medicine woman.

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Speaker 2: That was my wife's idea. That was Emily's idea, Jonathan

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Speaker 7: Was I've been told or hinted at on more than

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Speaker 7: I had a punishable face, right, And I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 7: I'm not not in detail.

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 5: Nah?

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Speaker 2: Do you think that he has a punishable face? Nope, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I do not think he has a punchable face.

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Speaker 9: I mean, it looks friendly, It looks smiling right now.

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Speaker 11: Why would you say he has a punishable face?

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Speaker 6: Uh, there's no reason to be punched in the face

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Speaker 1: I was this guy.

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Speaker 2: He's a friend of ours. His name is PJ.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, PJ.

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Speaker 2: maybe you have to work on your attitude. Guy, but

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Speaker 2: you don't look punishable. Man, all right, PJ, wherever.

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Speaker 6: You are pe.

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Speaker 2: So that was it. You didn't have a punchable face.

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Speaker 2: So they're applotting for you for not having a punishable face.

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Speaker 7: I'm honestly surprised at how hard it is to get

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Speaker 7: boxers to say that they want to punch somebody.

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Speaker 2: I know we have a photograph of the photograph that

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Speaker 2: I brought into the boxing gym. PJ, I'll ask you

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Speaker 2: to describe it.

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Speaker 7: I feel like this goes against everything that you've said.

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Speaker 7: Just a ninny with a stupid, punishable face.

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Speaker 2: No, no, that's not true.

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Speaker 7: It's like it's like the smile is like I think

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Speaker 7: I'm better than you, but also worse.

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Speaker 2: But like but like you're you're standing on a yacht

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Speaker 2: or something, you're standing on a building, a balcony, and you.

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Speaker 11: You're wearing and you're lying yet more.

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Speaker 2: If you're wearing a watch, Like, who do you think

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Speaker 2: you are? Anyway? Not a punishable face, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 4: Oh, PJ, you crack me up.

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Speaker 1: AnyWho, We've got to take a short break and when

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Speaker 1: we come back, you'll hear the shortest heavyweight story ever made.

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Speaker 1: But first some important words from some very important sponsors.

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Speaker 2: This next killed story.

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Speaker 10: This was something that we really liked and it worked

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Speaker 10: out really well, and it totally fit the form of

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Speaker 10: the show.

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Speaker 6: But it was just really short.

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Speaker 2: It worked out too well. It all came together in

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Speaker 2: like just a few minutes and.

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Speaker 10: So but so we made it into an animated video

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Speaker 10: for all of you here at the Heavyweight Live Show for.

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Speaker 2: Your viewing enjoyment, and we will play it now. Chanelle

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Speaker 2: comes from a family that has a hard time saying

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Speaker 2: I love you. They hardly ever say it.

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Speaker 4: Actually, not really at all.

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Speaker 13: It's like a there's a death in the family, or

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Speaker 13: I mean, yeah, mostly if there's a death in the family.

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Speaker 2: You've preserved the power of the the words in a

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Speaker 2: way I mean to me, it's just like I might

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Speaker 2: as well just be saying, okay, will feedback later, I

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Speaker 2: love you. There was a moment when Chanelle almost said it.

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Speaker 2: She was going through a hard time and her mom

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Speaker 2: had come to stay with her in Brooklyn. Chanel wanted

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Speaker 2: to say I love you just as her mom was

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Speaker 2: about to leave.

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Speaker 13: I've been dropping her off at Penn Station. You know,

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Speaker 13: we sat there until she had to go. And she

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Speaker 13: starts walking away, and this is weird. I like started crying,

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Speaker 13: like falling in the middle of Pin Station. You know,

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Speaker 13: nobody cares because there's like a thousand people in Penn Station.

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Speaker 13: I'm right near like the switchboard or it tells you

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Speaker 13: the times, so people are just like staring at that.

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Speaker 13: And she turns around and she gets this weird look

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Speaker 13: on her face and she turns back around.

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Speaker 11: She has to keep going, she's in line.

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Speaker 13: And the whole time, I was like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 13: I wish I had like told her how much she

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Speaker 13: means to me in that moment, and like how she

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Speaker 13: came at the perfect time and did all these things

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Speaker 13: for me, And I'm like, why can't I say I

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Speaker 13: love you to her?

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Speaker 10: So?

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Speaker 2: When when was the last time that you told your

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Speaker 2: mother that you loved her?

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Speaker 4: I don't remember.

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Speaker 2: That's a long time. And this is why I've invited

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Speaker 2: Chanelle here today to help create a safe place for

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Speaker 2: her heart to speak its truth and to not allow

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Speaker 2: her or her heart to leave that safe place until

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Speaker 2: it happens. Do you think there's a way to say

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Speaker 2: it to where it was sort of like you were

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Speaker 2: clearing away the space.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I think I would have to follow up with

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Speaker 11: like a I really mean it.

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Speaker 2: I love you, mom, and I really mean it.

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Speaker 13: I'm not trying to joke with you, I think because

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Speaker 13: I'm uncomfortable, I'm like it's going to show and then

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Speaker 13: maybe not.

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Speaker 2: Everything's supposed to be comfortable, that's.

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Speaker 13: True, but I have to I have to like have

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Speaker 13: a reason to call her right. I can't just be like, hey, mom,

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Speaker 13: I love you, kay bye.

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Speaker 2: You know there's this song that comes to mind, an

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Speaker 2: obscure little ditty by a performer named Stevie Wonder. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you're familiar with him, you know, I don't. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the song is I just called to say I love you.

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Speaker 2: How does a song go I just call it to

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Speaker 2: say I love you?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I meet him from the bottom of my heart. What

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Speaker 2: about a sign off like okay, I love you? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You want to get the pronoun in there, you want

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Speaker 2: to get the eye in there. You want me to

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Speaker 2: say it for you? She'll I feel like, what, like

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Speaker 2: it's a hostage situation. Who is that I'm gonna send

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Speaker 2: Chanel's pinky toe to just to let you know that

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Speaker 2: she's fine.

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Speaker 4: She's fine. I mean she's not already afraid enough. But

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Speaker 4: I live in a city alone.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I wanted to say it and

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Speaker 2: I'm saying it now.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: No, Yeah, she's at work, but she always calls me

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Speaker 13: when I'm at work, so it's probably fine.

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Speaker 2: Does she pick up and say She'll probably say I'm

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Speaker 2: in richter and taft.

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Speaker 4: Like what do you want? Missy. Okay, should I do it?

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Speaker 4: Am I doing it?

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Speaker 13: Now?

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Speaker 4: Okay? Here we go, Okay, answer the phone.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, hi mom, what do you want?

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Speaker 4: What's up? I?

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Speaker 11: Okay?

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Speaker 4: You remember that time when you came to visit me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and then you were at the trains station and

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Speaker 13: I started crying. Yeah, Well, in that moment, I really

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Speaker 13: wanted to tell you how much you meant to me

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Speaker 13: and that you helped a lot that week because I

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Speaker 13: was like emotionally distraught and you cooked me all those

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Speaker 13: meals and you were there and you watched Transparent season

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Speaker 13: two with me and it was great, and I just

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Speaker 13: wanted to tell you.

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Speaker 4: That I love you a lot.

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Speaker 1: Oh you de strode about.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't matter what I was just strad about.

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Speaker 2: Why are you?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: It doesn't matter. What matters is I love you.

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Speaker 10: I know that.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, wait a minute, what's something wrong?

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Speaker 4: Now? Nothing's wrong?

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Speaker 2: Are you sure? Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 4: That was really sweety you should now wow, wow, Mom,

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Speaker 4: this is so sentimental.

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Speaker 5: Well, don't be crying.

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Speaker 3: Don't get me teary eyed until I work walking the

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Speaker 3: hallways trying to get trying to get my steps on release.

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Speaker 3: But you know me and my love you too, your

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Speaker 3: mom love you too?

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Speaker 11: Really, m okay, okay, all right, I'll talk to you

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Speaker 11: all right, okay, bye bye.

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Speaker 2: I I'd like to ask Chanel and her mom Marilyn,

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Speaker 2: to stand up. I think you guys are supposed to

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Speaker 2: be here. Yeah, all right, yeah, And with that, I

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Speaker 2: think we draw our show to a close. On a

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Speaker 2: positive note, I would like to introduce to the stage

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Speaker 2: Matt Bowle, who's going to play us out, and Devin

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Speaker 2: Gwynn is going to be accompanying him with some human

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Speaker 2: beat boxing.

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Speaker 4: Now that the fun it chose we turn into its good.

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Speaker 14: Will dishes in last week's papers.

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Speaker 4: Rumors and elections crosser and in the blackend I things

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Speaker 4: me the printing song every Door puts.

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Speaker 14: Now that the last month's man is scheming with the

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Speaker 14: damage to POSSI take this moment to the side sign

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Speaker 14: and into if We meant it, and we tried sign

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Speaker 14: and into felt around for five two months that accident charge.

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Speaker 2: Sign Into Heavyweight is hosted and produced by me Nathan

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Speaker 2: Goldstein along with Stevie Lane, Peter Bresnan, and Khalila Holt,

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Speaker 2: editing by Jorge just Special thanks to Zoe Chase and

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Speaker 2: PJ Vote and Jackie Cohen. Animation by Arthur Jones with

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Speaker 2: music by Christine Fellows and Blue Dot Sessions. Audio mixing

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Speaker 2: by Emma Munger. Our theme song is by The Weaker

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Speaker 2: Thans courtesy of Epitaph Records and was performed by Matthew

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Speaker 2: Bole with beatboxing by Devin Gwynn. Thank you Live Studio

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Speaker 2: audience for coming out tonight. Give yourselves a big Heavyweight

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Speaker 2: round of applause. Good night.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Jonathan, great show before we go.

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Speaker 1: We also want to thank Julian Quiznski and Bay Area

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Speaker 1: Sound for mixing this episode. Special things also to Joshua Carpati,

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Speaker 1: Chris Neary, and Victoria Barner. If you want to hear

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Speaker 1: the Little Mermaid story that Jonathan produced at This American Life,

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Speaker 1: you can find it at This American Life dot org.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to see the animated video that

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Speaker 1: we made to accompany Chanel's story, you can find it

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Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel, YouTube dot com slash Gimbletmedia. Again,

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Speaker 1: that's YouTube dot com slash Gimbletmedia. We'll be back with

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Speaker 1: a brand new episode of Heavyweight next week.