WEBVTT - Class w/ Trieste Kelly Dunn 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:04.279 Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.480 --> 0:00:07.080 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:07.920 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.960 --> 0:00:11.520 These episodes are based on. These are our stories done done. 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.800 Hello, this is Thats Messed Up an SVU podcast. 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:34.839 And my name is Lisa. I'm the host. Duh. My 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:35.600 name is Kara. 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:42.840 I'm the other host obviously. And you know what we do. 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.800 We talk SVU, we talk true crime. We talked to 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:49.199 a fabulous guest, and you know this today's episode is 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:50.280 no different. 0:00:50.360 --> 0:00:53.840 But we also tour. That's another thing we do. We 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.680 go on tour. We do. We do this podcast live. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:57.920 It's very different. 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.280 It's got PowerPoint, games, audience interaction. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:02.960 It's so much fun. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:05.240 It's truly not just like two podcasts hosts sitting at 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.120 a card table. Not that I'm shading people that do that, 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:07.679 but that's just not. 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.080 What we do it so much for. I think if 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:11.600 you're act ticket price. 0:01:11.760 --> 0:01:13.520 It's if you're paying a ticket price, we like to 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.679 give the people a little something extra and there and 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.479 we are there with our PowerPoint and our extra I know. 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:21.520 It's just funny because you are talking about a specific podcast. 0:01:21.560 --> 0:01:24.520 You went to see Live. Yeah, I am, I am. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:26.240 I don't you are listening. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.840 I was annoyed I had to pay a ticket price 0:01:28.880 --> 0:01:32.520 to a podcast I don't listen to for someone's birthday. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.160 But anyway, we are coming out this fall to twenty 0:01:36.240 --> 0:01:40.280 one cities. I am so excited. We just announced Chicago 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.560 last week. That was a hold out that we had 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.360 to wait to announce because it's part of a festival. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.640 So your hometown girl, Liza's coming home and we love 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.320 coming to Chicago. We'll be in DC, Atlanta, Charlotte, and 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:56.520 Raleigh in September. So the DC tickets are flying, so 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.400 get those and then come see us Atlanta Charlotte rally. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:00.920 We need you, guys. We can't come back if you 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.280 guys don't come. So yeah, and then check our check 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.600 that's messed up live dot com for all the other 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:09.360 dates that we're doing. We're going all over the place 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:11.800 including Toronto, International. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:17.400 Baby and I have stand up dates no big deal, Wilmington, Sacramento, Portland, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:22.320 San Francisco, DC and on but those are through you know. Yeah, 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.839 more reckout Lara's stands up that's all on her Instagram 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:30.800 and listen. We are in a what called a sack 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.600 of life. We are in a strike, double Serrus strike. 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:35.720 You know, you guys always you guys know, we're in 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:37.760 the time machine as always, like this will be coming 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.360 out probably two weeks into the strike, but we just 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:43.360 as of this recording, we're kind of new into the strike. 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:46.840 Liza and I are both members of sag UH, so 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:49.160 we both voted for the strike. We support the strike 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.720 one thousand percent, one thousand percent. 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.680 Did you watch the TikTok where it was like the 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:57.560 law that was changed by the Justice Department in August 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:00.959 twenty twenty. No, so back in the day, the studios 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.639 would own like the movie theaters, the ticketing places. They 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.080 it was like they double dipped on stuff, and so 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:10.640 there was like a law or whatever, a thing, a 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.680 restriction I don't know the legal times put on. 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:16.320 So it all has to be separate. 0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:18.680 So the movie theaters have to be separate from the studios, 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.560 have to be separate from the marketing, so there's no 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.560 double dipping. But in technology companies that doesn't exist. It's 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:27.800 all unilateral. It is the word that they used. I 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:32.799 guess this is it's really embarrassing trying to summarize something 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.400 that is above my brain. But basically, like Google then 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.360 owns all the Google marketing, and like for tech companies, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.200 you're allowed to own everything and double dip. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:45.280 And so that's what happened. 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:50.240 Like all of these streamers are tech companies. They are 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:54.000 not film, you know, they're not studios and so but 0:03:54.040 --> 0:03:57.160 then they became the studios and the distributors and the 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.800 market they own all of it. And in August twenty 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.760 two money, while we were dealing with I don't know, 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:10.119 an election, COVID, a racial uprising, like basically, they quickly 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.200 asked the Justice Department to switch it and they did. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:16.599 And so that is how they're now able to buy 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.039 law like double dip in all of these ways and 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.400 own everything and not have to pay residuals or fair 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:27.880 prices or basically anything because they own the production and 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:28.720 the distribution. 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:30.520 Yeah. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.440 But also the big reason why they don't have to 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:35.560 pay residuals really too, is that they don't No one 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.160 knows how popular a show is on a streamer. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.400 Like for television, we have the Nielsen ratings. 0:04:40.400 --> 0:04:43.160 Everybody agreed a long time ago, there's the Nielsen ratings. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:43.520 There. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.440 Certain people have Nielsen boxes and that determines based on 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.600 a lot of analytics and stuff that they put into it. 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.159 How many people are watching something I'm sure now also 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.840 social media and other factors are involved. 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:57.719 That tells they do know, they just don't tell that 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:58.960 information just won't tell. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:03.320 Yes, they exactly. Netflix, they have nothing but data. Netflix 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:08.200 knows when you turn it off. Hulu knows, Oh, there's 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:10.719 something about the credit sequence that these people don't like. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.440 They're turning it off after the opening credits, like or whatever. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:17.360 There's so much data they know exactly, but they don't 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:20.720 share it because it's all about competition. So and what 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:23.120 the actors are suggesting is, let's use this place. I 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:25.799 believe it's called like parent Media or something like that 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:30.280 that does that basically tries to use social media and 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.359 a lot of different analytics to figure out what the 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.599 popular shows are, like, what makes Wednesday a hit? What 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.080 makes you know a show like Survival of the Thickest 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:40.920 to hit? You know, I'll just mention that show out 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.240 of nowhere. That is not a project I worked on. 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.039 But you know that they can't. They don't share any 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.800 of that. And so then but the people that are 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.800 working on Wednesday are like, I know, this is a 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.400 global hit, like why am I not getting any money? 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.640 Or like now the Orange is the New Black Girls? 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.960 Several of whom we've interviewed. 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.160 Are on the news. 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.200 They're in the new There was a big article talking 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.400 about how freaking' Oranges and New Black broke open the 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.240 whole streaming thing, like they were the first big streaming hit. 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:13.800 And those girls get checks for ten dollars, like it's 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:14.520 not crazy. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.039 Yeah, the Gilmore Girls guy he was talking about, like, yeah, 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:21.080 it's just the person who sells the licensing, so Universal 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:26.280 or whatever big company, and these actors worked in the show, 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:28.320 and that they just they're playing it over and over 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.080 making so much money. And it just sucks that these 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.400 stockholders and CEOs. I mean, I saw one thing that 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.640 this could be the like strike that truly creates like 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:42.719 a huge labor change everywhere, a big revolution because of 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.680 the fame, because it's basically its most industry is the 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.960 bosses are making hundreds of millions of dollars. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:50.600 It's all about stockholders. 0:06:50.600 --> 0:06:53.360 Like I don't understand the people that think the stockholders 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.839 deserve more money than the actors or the writers, Like 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:58.640 that's great. I don't understand poor people fighting for the 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.760 rich people on social media. That's what's confusing or like 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:03.400 anti acts, it's so wild. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.839 Well, I mean, we like to think about acting and 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:09.040 writing as art, but when you involve tech companies, it's 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:10.960 about Wall Street. That's all they care about is what 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.400 you're making next quarter. It's all about money. So it's 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.800 like there's not the same you know, Oh, let's just 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:18.640 make this movie because this is a movie, a story 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.240 that needs to be told, even if it's not going 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:21.480 to make a ton of money, you know what I mean. 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.440 And it's like that kind of mentality is fading away. 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.280 But but it's fine. The goal should be to make money. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:30.200 Okay, I believe in that make money, but like to 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.440 not pay the people making it. But this person online 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.560 just said this might be the thing that breaks it up. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:38.040 Like open for everyone is because of the fame. Yeah, 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:41.120 we love famous people, and so when it's recognizable, people 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.880 are striking versus like not famous people in other industries. 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.680 So yeah, hopefully this trickles into everywhere. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.320 I don't you know. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:53.440 It's just like it is like the wildest timing to 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.200 be in a project that comes out the day the. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:57.960 Strength rules are enacted. 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.000 Lucky, we got to do one premier party and have 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:05.280 a great fucking night. But the timing is pretty funny 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:10.840 for me personally, but everyone believes in it and the 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.160 lead of the everyone is for this strike. 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:15.360 Now, this is a huge This is a huge moment 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.960 for labor unions all across like the world basically. And 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:20.800 so if you think, oh my god, this is just 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:23.440 about snobby actors or people that have a ton of money, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.320 eighty seven percent of the people in SAG cannot even 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:28.560 afford the health insurance. That's that don't even make enough 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:30.440 to qualify for the health insurance, which is twenty six 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:34.679 thousand dollars a year. So we're not talking about Jessica Chastain, 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.880 you know, We're talking about like a lot of working 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.400 actors and working writers and people that are just literally 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.360 trying to pay their rents and make the entertainment that 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.199 everyone enjoys. And if we all just want to be 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.760 watching fucking Love Island until we die, we better figure 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:49.240 this out. 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:52.400 Yeah, And it's like it's not just that the actors, 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:56.560 it's hair makeup, lighting, the grips, the catering. Someone in government, 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.000 local government in California was like, I mean the restaurant, 0:09:00.400 --> 0:09:03.600 like all these places that we're providing lunch and catering 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:08.679 are losing money. Like every like there's a Teamsters. I mean, 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:13.040 there's so many people that make projects. It's not even 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:14.560 just the actors and writers. 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:18.319 It's like truly every you know, the the. 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:21.679 Person that's writing the schedules, like yeah, the PA's it's 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:22.360 every it's. 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.760 Iatse and Teamsters are up for their negotiations next year. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:29.880 So it's like this is really setting the stage for 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.560 like a lot of different things. And I really hope 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:36.440 that I don't know these evil companies like they I 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.960 feel like they have no recourse. They just give interviews 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:40.520 where they go this is unrealistic. 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:40.880 Why. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:44.120 I can't say why, Like they have there's they literally 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.400 don't have a leg to stand on. It feels like no, 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.360 but they do have all the power. That's that's they. 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:52.280 Just say, we don't have any money. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.640 We don't have any money because like Paramount Plus might 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.920 not be making money, but like the parent company is 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.800 like parent, I think Paramount is making money, you know, 0:09:58.920 --> 0:09:59.520 Like it's just. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.640 They asked survivor, of course they are. But no, it's 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.720 like these dudes have fucking yachts. They were all at 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.000 a billionaire summit while he was one of them, was 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.920 making all those quotes like yeah, and one of my friends, Juliet, 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.400 she brought up, she's like one of them, Like he 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:15.880 only makes twenty five million a year, so he probably 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.800 thinks he's not that rich because their brains are broken 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.679 and all his friends have hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah, 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:25.400 so he's there, like I'm just I'm not even that rich, 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:25.760 you know. 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:30.000 Yeah, Ted Sirrando's Ted Sarandos of Netflix makes twenty million 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.640 base but like fifty million when you get his bonuses 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:33.800 and his stock options and all. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.000 The shit of the thing is, why would he get 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.120 bonuses but not the people that made it? 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:38.560 I don't. 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.160 I just want to get into their brains, like I 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.800 don't understand it, But what is their what is their reasoning. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:45.840 To think that? 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.600 I mean it's like they don't respect labor obviously, but 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:52.480 like I just don't under the math. Ain't math in? 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:55.200 Like how is? How are stockholders have nothing to do 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.520 with it? Like how do they? How do they do 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:01.520 the mental gymnastics in their head? Like fuck, this show's 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.400 a giant hit. Let's give bonuses to someone who had 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.079 nothing to do, Like I don't understand. 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:07.440 I don't. 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.559 I mean, I think in his mind he's probably like, well, 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.600 I'm part of a huge team and we green lit 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:14.560 the project and developed it and marketed it and we 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.199 were a huge part of why it's successful. 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.720 And also we have no money. We are actually really broken. 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:19.439 We're in the red. 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.480 You know, it's all it is mental gymnastics, Like it's 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.680 bullshit because I just think about some of these shows 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.160 that I'm like obsessed with and mam and I watch 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:29.640 over and over and over again. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:33.760 I mean, I've there's a cartoon I love on that 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.640 I watch to go to bed almost every single night. 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.679 Like those people that created that show and are doing 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.920 the voice like drawing, they how are they not making money? 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.079 I saw what are the creators? What are the creators 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:45.560 of that show? 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.600 Was at my house the other night, and they told 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.040 me what, Yeah, well you know who I'm talking about? 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:52.800 Yes, but I don't. You didn't tell me that they 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:53.680 were at your house. 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.360 Oh yeah, yeah, actually Labor Union Power Couple, if you 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:58.320 know who we're talking about. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:00.280 I don't know. I heart that show up. I know 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:00.920 Lisa does. 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.360 And she was telling me that she's an animation and 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.439 she only does union stuff, and that must be really 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:10.160 difficult because animation is so non union, but they need 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.840 to change too, Like it's crazy. 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:14.960 And also what I don't get how did the directors 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.440 settle so fast? It's like that hurts a fuck you too. 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.080 A friend of mine who's in the WGA and pretty 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.360 active in the picketing and stuff, told me that she 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.000 heard that they regret it now, Like I think that 0:12:26.040 --> 0:12:27.920 they don't realize that they could. I don't think they 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:30.400 thought the actors were going to go and now they 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.640 don't realize they're not part of this like massive like movement, 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:35.800 which they could have been a really helpful part of. 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.240 But well they they could have just joined the writers. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.720 It's pretty embarrassing that the directors like truly just got 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.000 what they wanted and said fuck you to everyone, because 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.119 guess what, you're not working now either. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.640 Right right. I just hope it ends quickly. 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.360 We wanted to just give like a quick disclaimer about 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.760 the podcast, like our podcast is not affected by the strike, 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.360 but we do have guests that we have a few 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.520 more guests lefts because you know that we pre tape 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.200 our guests and so we have a few more guests 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.200 left who taped before we ever there was ever a strike. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.280 We're going to release those episodes, and then after that 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.600 we're going to release a few episodes with some surprises maybe, 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.640 you know, so just stay tuned. Yeah, but just so 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:17.880 you know, we're not going anywhere. Our pod is good, 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.319 everything's everything's good. But we are going to be striking. 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:24.160 We're gonna be on the pickets. Stay tuned, and you know, 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.120 where do I find it? It's like, do I really 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:27.000 have to look at email? 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:27.200 Now? 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.200 I'm even doubly pissed about this strike. Now I have 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.679 to check my email fucking find locations. 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:34.679 Yeah, I know I can't set you right, I'll text 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:35.480 it to you. I have it. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:37.400 I have it because you know, I got to hit 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:38.760 the fucking pickets. 0:13:39.600 --> 0:13:41.960 Yeah, you gotta see who We got to see who's 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:42.400 out there? 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.000 Please you and I are the biggest, like like have 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:47.840 binoculars for the celebs, you know. 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.839 I want I want recon jobs though, I want them 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.840 to send me off to do like wild shit, like sneaking, 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.480 like I just want to choke out a CEO. Don't 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.920 cut that Caasy's fight threat. 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:04.680 I think the exciting stuff at the beginning was that 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:08.600 people were stopping productions, like they were shutting down productions, 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.080 like they couldn't the teamsters couldn't get in the iatz, 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.200 like the crew couldn't get in, So they were stopping productions. 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.680 And it was like, yeah, we shut down the season 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.000 finale of Evil or whatever. But now everything's pretty much 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.040 shut down. So I think we just to send Lisa 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:22.440 to choke out CEOs. 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:23.680 Why don't you just. 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.240 Hang out at like Catch, like a restaurant, like a 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:28.200 fancy restaurant. 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:29.960 Oh, you know, it wouldn't with like a blow dart. 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.800 You didn't watch The Real Housewives of New York New 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:34.760 season didn't, not yet, not yet, but I know that 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.520 there's a reference. Oh Catch is like they're basically like 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:41.240 I wouldn't be caught dead at Catch. It's not two 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:43.560 thousand and six. I'm not a Dalist Mott like they 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:47.200 hate Catch. And it's like, clearly we're going to catch, Like. 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:49.160 Yeah, well there's one in La. 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:52.640 There's one in La and it's and everybody says it's 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.800 very beautiful. And my husband used to work for a 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:56.920 late night talk show and the host loved that place 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:58.840 and used to do things there all the time. My 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:02.640 aunt I believe is a small investor in catch. So 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.520 I've been dying to go, never been, but we'll go. 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.520 And then one of the housewives, one of the housewives 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.400 was like, I mean i'd bring tourists visiting from Florida 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.000 and legit our friend and her boyfriend from Florida were 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:17.600 they're two weeks ago. Yeah, so she was like, that. 0:15:17.680 --> 0:15:20.640 Tracks so funny. 0:15:21.640 --> 0:15:26.640 Well, we've already got the light and the lights were. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:27.840 A serious intro. 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.240 Join us next week, you know, hopefully you will all 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:34.840 our all our peace for more fun updates. I saw 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.680 Broadway shows, I was in New York. You know, there's 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.520 things to share. So yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna get 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.440 it now. Now it's just strike. 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:45.960 Union. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:49.800 Okay, guys, check out our tour dates. That's mess up 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:53.720 live dot com. And and I'll enjoy our gorgeous episode. 0:15:53.760 --> 0:16:00.280 That is a full on classic. Oh key dope, we 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:06.560 are doing Class today, Season seven, episode seventeen. How am 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:11.120 I the only one who keeps thinking got no class? 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:16.800 No from Chicago? Oh I don't whatever happened to class? Oh? 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:21.600 Yeah, what ever happened to class? Yes, that's a good one. 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:25.640 Actually, what I was singing in my head as I 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.160 was pressing snooze on my alarm, and I think it 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:34.560 was my subconscious brain going, we gotta do class. Get up, 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:42.160 Get up, ty, get up. Class that works too, say 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.360 by the bell, the new class. I mean, there's a 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.840 lot of things. I this is a good one. This 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.320 is a I remember this one from Days of Yours 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:51.400 from two thousand and six. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.080 We open on a car pulling up slowly. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.640 Next to a sex worker, like so many beautiful episodes 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:02.600 of SPU begin, and I immediately recognized this sex worker 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.399 as Tika Sumpter. I know her originally from Gossip Girl, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.200 but she's in all the ride along movies, the Sonic, 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:13.399 the Hedgehog movies with your best friend Ben Schwartz. And 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:16.000 but a big thing she's in is the Have and 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:16.840 the have nots. 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:18.400 Well guess smiler Paris. 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.080 So Casey seems shocked by this Ben Schwartz thing. 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.560 I ran into him on another flight. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.560 And he is still the nicest celebrity in the world. 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.920 He waited for me at the gate and we walked 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.840 the whole JFK terminal chatting, and when I was saying bye, 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.320 he gave me a hot and I go, you're so nice. 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:43.560 This is crazy. He goes, oh, what you know, what's up? 0:17:43.600 --> 0:17:45.960 And I go, I go, you're so nice, Like I 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:47.280 thought when you saw me you would. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.200 Be like, oh, not this bitch again. She's gonna want 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:51.560 to talk and he was like no, not at all, 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.800 and I'm like, who are you? And then everyone I've 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:56.800 told this story about how nice he is, they're like, 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:58.640 he's so fucking hot and I'm like, yeah, I guess 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:03.280 he's hot, nice and talented. Anyways, that was an aside 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.360 casey how wild running him on two planes that we're 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:07.000 plain friends. 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.440 Now those are plane buddies. We're back to the sex 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.000 worker obviously, yes. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:15.359 And this was Tika Sumter's first acting gig according to 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:19.200 her IMDb, so kind of exciting. Her name is Vegas, 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.919 and she's talking to this dude who's like very nervous. 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:25.439 He obviously hasn't picked someone up before. And she goes, listen, 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:29.960 whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, and in context, 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:30.679 I love that. 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:32.520 I love that. It's a good line. 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.920 They hear a noise and Vegas is like, oh fuck no, 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:39.280 that better not be somebody, As she says, some bitch 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:43.080 work in my stroll. So she starts heading towards this alley, 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:47.480 like she's truly in like a bikini and a fur coat. 0:18:47.640 --> 0:18:51.400 She's like strutting towards the alley, tits a jiggling. This 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.160 guy runs out, gets into a jeep and speeds off, 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.480 and she's like, that's right, you better run, Like it's 0:18:56.480 --> 0:18:59.720 like just no fear. She looks down to the sidewalk 0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:02.760 gray and sees a blonde girl wrapped in a blanket, 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:06.120 dead as hell. So now we cut to a uniform 0:19:06.160 --> 0:19:08.879 officer giving Benson and Stabler the rundown. This is a 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.199 rape homicide. Skippy clothes all torn up, dumped under the 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.359 gray on a lover's lane. He says, probably a pross. 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:19.720 He says, not not my words. His Vegas called it in. 0:19:19.960 --> 0:19:22.840 He calls her your fa your friendly neighborhood hooker. So 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:25.720 there's a lot of little jabs at sex workers here, 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:27.800 because it is two thousand and six. They're not quite 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:31.399 where they are now yet. On SVU, you're gonna love this. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.639 So there's a comic next to me, and then you know, 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.359 our friend Anthony DeVito's sitting with us, and so this 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.200 other friend I go, wow, you look good, you look good, 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.159 and he goes thanks, and he goes, ugh, I just 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:45.520 got dumped by this stripper. And I go, why is 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.240 that worse than being dumped by anybody else? I can't 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.280 believe you're so anti sex worker? And then Anthony DeVito 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.440 starts laughing. He's like, I've never seen someone get into 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:54.439 a fight so fast. 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:59.719 He's like, He's like, it turned in one moment from 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:01.560 you look good to how dare you? 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.280 One wrong move, one wrong move, Lisa's gonna get you. 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.600 And then this guy's like I dated her. But I 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:12.240 was like, yeah, but you didn't say I got dumped 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.480 by my girlfriend. You may have point you I got 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:15.760 dumped by the right shipper. 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:16.240 Yeah. 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:18.080 No one ever sits down and goes, oh, I got 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:21.640 dumped by a financial analyst. You know, you just say 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:27.080 I got dumped by my boyfriend. So Vegas doesn't recognize. Unfortunately, 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.920 that's all we get from Vegas. She doesn't recognize the girl, 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.199 but there have been a lot of newcomers working that 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.680 area lately. There was no purse or id found on 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.200 the victim. When we get to the body, Melinda's already there, 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.280 hard at work talking fluids. She says, no visible fluids, 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.680 but this girl's got something on her fingers that live 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:45.919 thinks it's like her fingers are torn up and bloody, 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.240 but really it's red paint. She's got red paint on 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:51.359 her fingers. And Melinda's like, nothing around here looks like 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:53.399 this color. It must be from where she was killed, 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:57.119 you know, file that away for later. Strangle marks indicate 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.040 she was killed around midnight or twelve thirty am. And 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.640 then they hear a voice called detectives, and I can 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.280 know immediately from the voice that it is CSU Captain 0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:07.200 Judith Cziper and friend of the pod. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:09.600 I know her voice before I even see her. 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:12.000 And she's like, found the purse, and in the purse 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:15.320 we've got lipstick, perfume, breath, mint, condoms, no license, but 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:17.760 a college id from where the fuck else? 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:19.440 Hudson University. 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:24.760 Now, the character's name is Caroline Pereira, but her id 0:21:25.080 --> 0:21:28.639 is missing in r and just says Caroline perea So 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:30.920 just a fuck up from the prop department. 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:32.719 Come on, guys, let's get it together. 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:34.800 I know it's two thousand and six and a lot's 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:37.680 going on, but you know, the twenty four hour news 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.959 cycle and Britney Spears and Paris Hulton and all that 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.520 but like, let's get the names right. So they also 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.640 find her phone. There's a blurry picture on it from 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.159 right around the time of her death. You can't like 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:50.639 see if it's a person, but there's like a like 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.520 an orb of light in it, and so they're like, 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:55.880 oh my god, did she get a picture of her attacker? 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:01.000 Boom credits. So now we're with an other Pod buddy, 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.360 Joel de Lafuente. This episode, I wouldn't say is star studded, 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:06.320 but it's a lot of familiar people to me, like 0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.720 Tika sumpter As just like the opening body Finder, she 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:12.320 has like two million followers on Instagram, like she's a 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.960 star now. So there's a lot of people in here 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:16.359 that I will go into later that I know. 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:19.199 Yeah, it is wild, Like in five years, will we 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.000 just be like they've been on the pod and a 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:22.960 friend of the pod and another friend of the pod. 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:23.560 Yeah, I hope. 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:26.720 So that's all we'll have. We'll have had everybody. Anyone 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.800 will be a friend of ours. So now we're with 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.200 pod buddy Joel de Lafuente aka Ruben morale Is aka 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:36.280 Taru and Stablers like can you enhance it? And we 0:22:36.359 --> 0:22:38.800 all know enhancing is like not real, like they did 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:41.359 it on Adam ruins everything, Like the shit they the 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:45.040 trope of police procedurals that you can just like click 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:47.000 a button and all the pixels go away and it's 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.879 a clearer picture is bullshit. And Taru agrees. He's like, listen, 0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:53.439 cell phones take shitty pictures, like I can't do anything 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:56.280 about it. And the parents are coming to New York 0:22:56.320 --> 0:23:00.640 City to id the body from Lagrange. I google Lagrange 0:23:00.640 --> 0:23:03.159 and there's a Lagrange in Illinois. In Texas, there's like 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:05.800 a bunch of us, so I wasn't sure where that was. 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.200 But Stabler's like, wow, what a cliche small town girl 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:11.959 makes money hooking in the big city. And Finn's like, 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:14.760 wouldn't be the first time a college girl's flat backed 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.320 her way to a diploma. Damn, these guys are on 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:21.800 it with the terms. And at Hudson they find out 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:24.959 that Caroline was on work study. She washed dishes at 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:27.280 the cafeteria but quit at the start of the semester. 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:30.960 That's got to be brutal at a school like Hudson, 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:34.280 to like be washing dishes for your classmates, Like, I mean, 0:23:34.280 --> 0:23:35.879 I knew people that were on work study and they 0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:39.199 did tons of stuff. And it wasn't washing dishes for 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:42.280 like the your because it just seems like it's like 0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:44.080 a richie rich school. So it just feels like it's 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:47.080 a very big have and have not situation. Speaking of 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:52.280 Tika Sumpter's former credit so, and I remember I was saying, definitely, 0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:55.240 students worked in the like everyone was working everywhere. 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:59.440 Oh okay, it just didn't like, yeah, like jobs. 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:01.960 And my school people had work study jobs all over 0:24:02.000 --> 0:24:05.320 the place. It just wasn't that like it wasn't washing dishes, 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.240 but it was like doing like a lot of other things. 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:13.280 But so you had so students weren't working in the cafeterias. No, No, 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.439 that was like fully staff like there was like employees 0:24:16.760 --> 0:24:19.320 of a company because they were a separate company, like 0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:21.359 you didn't work for the school, like they worked for 0:24:21.400 --> 0:24:24.560 a company called like Marriott. And I because I remember 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:26.960 I had a jacket that said Marmott and one of 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:29.280 the ladies. We loved this one lady and she was like, 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:31.160 oh my god, I love your jacket. It says Marriott. 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:32.800 I was like, it says Marmott, But I do love 0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:35.320 you guys. I don't have a Marriott jacket. But I 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.800 love you guys, and we like gave her a big 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:39.760 present when we graduated. We were like obsessed with this 0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:41.879 one woman that worked at the cave. Now I'm an 0:24:41.880 --> 0:24:44.399 asshole that's forgetting her name, but they don't. 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:46.880 I you're such an asshole you don't remember her name 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:47.920 from twenty years ago. 0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:48.320 I know. 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:50.639 But like we loved her, like we always said hi 0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:52.600 to her. She was so nice and like we gave 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.399 her like this big like I think we just, like 0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:56.679 our whole class like put together money for her at 0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:58.240 the end of the year because we were like, she rules. 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:01.080 I wonder if the other employees are like damn, I know, 0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:02.240 they're probably like fuck that. 0:25:02.680 --> 0:25:04.720 There was also a guy behind the grill that everybody 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:07.240 really loved, who made the chopped chicken and cheese for everybody. 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.960 Anyway, my favorite was weekends. We had an omelet bar. 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:12.720 I don't want to brag, but we had an omelet 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:16.160 bar all the time. I just love an omelet bar. 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:18.120 Yeah. 0:25:18.240 --> 0:25:20.439 Or where when we play in San Diego that hotel 0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:21.280 has an omelet bar. 0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:26.560 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember we go outside and. 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:27.800 Have an omelet Yeah. 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.720 I like that because I don't think I would order 0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:34.080 an omelet, but if I see a station, I'm running. 0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:36.879 Yeah, because like because there's never like I mean, so 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:38.800 I guess sometimes there is on the menu, it's never 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:41.320 the exact omelet you want. And then at the omelet bar, 0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:47.480 it's your world. But back to this story. They the 0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:50.280 woman that they're talking to is the burser at this college, 0:25:50.320 --> 0:25:52.080 and she's like, they don't have to work at the 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.480 school as long as the bill gets paid and Caroline 0:25:54.520 --> 0:25:57.560 payter bills. And she did it in cash, baby, And 0:25:57.760 --> 0:25:59.720 they're like, you don't care how a twenty year old 0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:01.720 came in yere fifteen thousand dollars in cash. She's like, 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:04.639 none of my business as long as it's American green, baby, 0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:06.399 and they I keep interrupting. 0:26:06.520 --> 0:26:09.159 So our friend Julia, when I met her, she was 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:13.159 working at like the student affairs office at the college 0:26:13.160 --> 0:26:16.040 I went to, Yeah, so that's how we kind of met. 0:26:16.600 --> 0:26:20.120 But because I was just paying my tuition with checks, 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.919 she thought I was like, you know, and it's the 0:26:23.960 --> 0:26:24.360 north Shore. 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.359 She just thought I was like a rich, spoiled north 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:28.080 Shore girl. 0:26:28.600 --> 0:26:31.560 And then cut to us becoming friends and her meeting 0:26:31.600 --> 0:26:35.480 my senior citizens Soviet parents and she was like, this 0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.440 is not what I expected with you just paying tuition. 0:26:38.520 --> 0:26:40.479 I was like, no, I ruined my parents' life, like 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.879 I am a spoiled brat and they needed me to graduate. 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:48.280 But they did pay for college, which is incredible, and 0:26:48.520 --> 0:26:50.680 I apologize to them all the time. I'm like, I'm 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:54.119 so sorry. I could have gone to any old school. 0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:56.040 You're going to get them back. Didn't you bought your 0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.480 dad a Faberge egg. I think you guys are even. 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:01.879 I think an apology is worth a lot to them. 0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.240 But it was funny, she said before we got to 0:27:04.280 --> 0:27:06.000 be friends that she just thought I was like the 0:27:06.080 --> 0:27:08.040 richest girl in school paying tuition. 0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:10.720 That's so funny because did you have your like little 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.760 blonde highlights and you were like o'ous fresh from a 0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:14.600 White Sox game. 0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:15.160 I love that. 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:17.240 Okay, I have well, But the thing is I didn't 0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.639 have a north Face fleece. I had a Columbia fleece. 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:22.440 And that means you're poor where I come. Well, yeah, 0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:24.880 I hear what you're saying. Yes, I hear what you're saying. 0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.040 You know what, I always think of as rich people 0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:29.159 because I have a few rich friends, people that like 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:31.960 read and this actually is you too, Lisa, So maybe 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.920 like I'm maybe I'm this is my friends that are rich, 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:36.959 like would always just reach into their bags and there 0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:40.280 would be cash, just like cash floating around, and I'm like, 0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:42.960 my cash is in my wallet like lined up, I 0:27:43.000 --> 0:27:44.280 know exactly how much is there? 0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:45.480 Lisa just. 0:27:48.400 --> 0:27:51.680 She just flashed to the camera a lot of f 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:53.880 random money. But that's different for you because you get 0:27:53.880 --> 0:27:56.879 paid in cash a lot from from stand up, Like 0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.160 my rich friends would just like reach into a bag 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:01.440 like a toad and it would be like an expensive 0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:04.719 skin cream and then just like twenties and fives just 0:28:04.760 --> 0:28:06.600 like everywhere, and I'd be like, wow, you just have 0:28:06.640 --> 0:28:08.560 money in there, like it's a wadded up tissue. 0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:12.080 And you know what's even sexier is paying in cash. 0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:14.680 Nothing like putting a few hundreds down at dinner. 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:15.760 Oh my god. 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:18.640 I mean that's that's like one of the best parts 0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:21.119 of New York is getting spot pay and it's cash 0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.000 and you just are like, is this even real? 0:28:24.040 --> 0:28:26.080 It feels like monopoly And I. 0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.639 Don't know, Yeah, it's nice because you kind of have 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:30.720 your balance in your head and like when you spend 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.000 money like on cards or like Venmo you like your 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.280 balance goes down when it's cash, it's like, oh, I'm 0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:37.159 just floating. I'm just still where I want, you know, 0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:39.960 Like it's like cash is just carrying you through. I 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:42.320 never have cash on me, and it's like I'm getting 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:44.560 it for something I would probably do for free. 0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:47.280 I know I would. I did it for years. 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:53.000 Yeah, so just to get this cash always feels feels nice. 0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:53.680 Nice. 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:58.440 But yeah, Well the Bling Ring documentary about those girls, 0:28:58.520 --> 0:29:01.400 like that group, they said when they went into Paris 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.880 Hilton's house and were like going through her purses, it 0:29:03.920 --> 0:29:06.800 was just hundreds and hundreds of extra cash in all 0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.240 these purses, just in pans that you like the way 0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:11.560 that you find a fiver and you're like, yay, cool, 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:12.800 this is gonna be a good day. 0:29:12.960 --> 0:29:18.200 She said, oh my god. Yeah, yeah, that's we're okay. 0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:18.560 All right. 0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.720 Well, speaking of speaking of a richie rich people, this 0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:26.200 Burster tells the cops that Caroline Perrera has a roommate 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:29.480 named Gloria Colhane. So now we go visit Gloria and 0:29:29.520 --> 0:29:32.959 she is classic college bitch, Like she's wearing kind of 0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:36.240 like a matching like it looks like it would be 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:39.160 a juicy cature sweatsuit and like baby pink, but it's 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:41.880 like it doesn't have like a like a juicy on 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:43.960 the late, like it's probably even more like a super 0:29:43.960 --> 0:29:48.120 expensive label. And she's like Caroline, she has just has 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:52.120 like she's beautiful. This actress is Trieste Kelly Dunn, and 0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:55.320 she just has like a classic like good bitch, like 0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:59.520 villainy face, like I can almost like tell she's involved immediately. 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.000 And fashion is so of this era. 0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:06.400 It is her face, her makeup, her hair, everything about 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.000 her is perfect rich these this is a rich girl. 0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:12.560 You're right, yeah, yeah, this girl's got twenties and fifties 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:16.080 fucking floating around her bag. And she's like Caroline and 0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:19.239 I never hung out. We run in different circles. And 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:21.640 it's like what a way to say she's trash and 0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.320 I'm you're up. She's basically like I'm up here, Bethany, 0:30:24.360 --> 0:30:27.880 and you're down here. Vinn compliments a big ass ring 0:30:28.000 --> 0:30:31.120 on Gloria's finger and then she's like thanks, and it's 0:30:31.480 --> 0:30:33.160 kind of weird. It's like on her pointer and it's 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:36.320 this big ass like diamond. Gloria explains that she spent 0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:38.800 last semester in France and she forgot to fill out 0:30:38.840 --> 0:30:41.040 the housing form, which is why she's in this shitty 0:30:41.080 --> 0:30:45.200 dorm with a stranger. And I just like, kind of, 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:47.800 I'm like, you seem very rich, Like you would not 0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.040 be with a stranger at Hudson University. You'd be in 0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.120 an apartment, like your parents would get you an apartment. 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:53.240 But I guess we'd. 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:55.280 All but I think some parents want their kids to 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:57.800 have a real experience, because I remember Madonna's daughter went 0:30:57.840 --> 0:31:00.640 to like you, University of Michigan or something, and I 0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.520 think she was just in the dorms, like trying to 0:31:02.560 --> 0:31:06.280 be normal or I'm ring folly. Yeah, no, that could 0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.240 be true, but like Michigan would be a good place 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:09.760 to be in the dorms. It's like there's like a city, 0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:11.480 Like you're in New York City and you're rich. Like 0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:13.520 people at NYU only stay in the dorms for like 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.680 one year. In my college, we were in the dorms 0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.000 all four years. We wanted to stay on doors. I 0:31:18.040 --> 0:31:20.280 get like we wanted it, Like it's like I'm in Hartford, 0:31:20.280 --> 0:31:22.200 I want to get an apartment, not really, you know, 0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:24.720 like in New York, I feel like everybody wants to 0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:26.680 kind of like get out. But whatever we're going with 0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:29.800 the story that she's in, like, you know, a fucking 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.640 dorm with a stranger. And she says, all I know 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:34.000 is about her is that she went out a lot, 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.040 and I have no clue where she stayed out late, 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.800 and she would look like shit going to class. Then Finn, 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:41.360 speaking of finding cash, I didn't even like, we didn't 0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:43.760 even set this up. Finn finds a fat stack of 0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:47.840 cash in this girl's like little dorm room closet, and. 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:50.400 She's like, I like the girl. 0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.080 Gloria goes, I doubt it came from your parents, like 0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.680 they're poor, Ill. And they find a picture of Caroline 0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:59.400 and some dude and are like, oh, is this her boyfriend? 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:02.520 And Gloria's like, no, that's her best friend. They just 0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:04.880 went to high school together and he also goes to Hudson. 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:08.240 So now we're walking and talking to Adam, the guy 0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:11.040 from the picture, and he's really broken up about Caroline dying. 0:32:11.040 --> 0:32:12.520 They've been friends since childhood. 0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:16.840 This actor is named will Estes, like the name is familiar. 0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:19.480 He has like such a forgettable face, like I cannot 0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:22.040 memorize it, Like from scene to scene, I'm like, who 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.960 is that? Like I have like prosopagnosia with this man, 0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:27.920 which is face blindness, what Brad Pitt has. I think 0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.200 you can take a drink because that's a wild word. 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.280 He just said, Oh gus. I tried to do a 0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:34.320 joke about it for a long time, like Brad Pitt 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.920 has prosopagnosia, which is face blindness. Like he says he 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:38.440 can't remember people, and I'm like, I think you're just 0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:40.760 rich and don't care about memorizing people that aren't important. 0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.480 But I think it's meeting a lot of people. I think, 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:46.400 if you because I'm I used to be so good 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.920 at remembering everybody, right, And I think with our line 0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.440 of work and like traveling and show you, we do 0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:54.680 meet so many people that I've gotten worse at it. 0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:59.280 I have, Yeah, And it's also so famous famous. 0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.000 No at our meet and green, I'm always like, you 0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:03.760 came to the show last time, right, And like half 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:05.160 the time I'm right, and half the time they're like 0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:08.320 no first time, Like I think I know people, but 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:11.040 you know, also some people just have those faces anyway. 0:33:11.320 --> 0:33:12.440 I just never understood. 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:14.360 But that's why it's more impressive when you hear about 0:33:14.400 --> 0:33:18.120 the Bill Clinton's the Tom Hanks when they remember everybody everybody, Yeah, 0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:22.120 for decades, Like yeah, that truly is impressive because the 0:33:22.160 --> 0:33:24.400 amount of people Brad Pitt meets and what an effect 0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.000 he has on them. I can't imagine. I would say 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.080 a million people a year. Yeah, maybe that's well. 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:31.600 This guy will stays. 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:33.080 I don't know if he meets as many people, but 0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:35.000 he is a regular on Blue Bloods. He's been on 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.200 like two hundred plus episodes of Blue blood So if 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:40.000 your mom's listening to the podcast, she probably knows who 0:33:40.080 --> 0:33:42.320 this guy is. I just hear blue Bloods is a 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:44.880 parent show. Anyway, they ask him about the money, and 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.320 he says, well, Caroline said she had a new job. 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.440 And they tell him, well, we found her in an 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.480 area known for sex work and he's like, no way, 0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:53.760 she would never And he says he has no idea 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.360 how she got the cash. And they tell him they're 0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.280 going to bring him downtown and he caves immediately and 0:33:59.320 --> 0:34:02.560 he's like, all right, all right, Caroline's been selling term papers. 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.160 The school lot started an investigation, and a professor named 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:07.960 doctor Feruke is leading the charge. 0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:10.440 Boom, Okay, that never happened. 0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:12.440 When I went to college, Like people either just like 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.920 cheated offline or whatever, you just like didn't buy a 0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:18.400 paper from someone else. But now talking to doctor Feruke, 0:34:18.760 --> 0:34:20.880 who is I mean now with chat GPT, like I 0:34:20.920 --> 0:34:23.080 feel like professors are fucked, Like kids are just going 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:26.560 to totally have everything written by a robot. But now 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.200 we're talking to doctor Feruke, who's explaining that plagiarism is 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.480 an epidemic at Hudson. I'm like, you know what else 0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:34.960 is an epidemic at Hudson sexual assault, and you guys 0:34:34.960 --> 0:34:37.560 are doing there is no investigation being launched. 0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:39.080 It's like so funny to me. 0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:41.759 She goes, the internet has only made it easier to 0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.080 buy and sell academic work. 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:44.560 I mean, doctor Feruke. 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:47.560 Is not psyched about chat GPT if she's still working today. 0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:51.279 She shows them this program that she has that like 0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.319 you know, probably borrows from AI, where she scans the 0:34:54.360 --> 0:34:58.040 papers and can find unoriginal material and patterns to find 0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.719 out who's plagiarizing. So she shows them like, see, these 0:35:00.760 --> 0:35:05.360 three students are an example, and they've all cheated, but 0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:07.640 none of them wrote the original paper, and I just 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:09.640 have to find out who did, and I'll expel all 0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:13.719 of them. And so they ask her about Caroline, and 0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:15.800 she said, oh no, she took my class last semester. 0:35:15.880 --> 0:35:18.920 She's an excellent student, her work is wholly original. She 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:20.640 would never need to cheat. But like, I don't think 0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:24.480 she suspects that Caroline is the source of the cheating, 0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.960 like she's the one giving the papers. Stabler's like, I 0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.000 need the three people's names who cheated. And I'm like, 0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:32.880 that's like really random, this one, Like she's been selling 0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:34.959 them all over school. You need these three people's names. 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:36.840 But anyway, it's kind of a reach for me police 0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.439 work wise. But he shows up to a deli where 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.240 some stoner is like singing the praises of Pepper and Chini. 0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:44.600 His name is Mark Duffy, and he's like, I need 0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.200 to talk to you. And Mark looks nervous as hell. 0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.239 He's like in the middle of manny'sing down a six 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.839 inch and he looks really nervous. And so he's like, 0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:55.840 all right, I had bought one term paper from Caroline? 0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:57.120 Is that a crime? 0:35:57.400 --> 0:35:59.200 And they're going through a bunch of different interviews here, 0:35:59.200 --> 0:36:00.480 you know, they're doing that thing or they cut to 0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:02.800 different people. So now we cut to this douchebag taking 0:36:02.840 --> 0:36:06.040 a break from playing squash, and I don't want to brag, 0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.920 but my alma mater, Trinity College, was the number one 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:10.040 squash school for. 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.080 A really long time. That was like our claim to fame. 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:16.040 It was like Trinity versus Stanford for best in squash. 0:36:16.480 --> 0:36:17.120 So crazy. 0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:20.200 I don't even really fully understand how you play squash, 0:36:20.239 --> 0:36:22.640 but you hit a ball against a wall. So he 0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:26.880 explains that you just emailed Caroline your assignment what you needed. 0:36:26.920 --> 0:36:28.960 She'd send you back two options. You pay for the 0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:30.840 one you like. And he's like, you just paid to 0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.680 a pay me pronto dot com account, which that sounds 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.480 really lame. Payipronto dot com, But in two thousand and six, 0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:40.120 like we didn't really have like venmo or I mean, 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:42.839 PayPal was probably a new thing, so kind of high 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:46.480 tech that she's getting paid on paymipronto dot com And 0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.640 it was two hundred dollars of paper, which with inflation 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:51.520 you'd have to say now would be like four hundred 0:36:51.520 --> 0:36:55.319 maybe five hundred. Now we're talking to some girl who's like, yeah, 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:57.080 I'm pre med I don't have time to read The 0:36:57.080 --> 0:36:59.239 Fairy Queen and write about the imagery of virtue for 0:36:59.280 --> 0:37:03.000 some redictable, ridiculous English requirement and I was like, Lol, 0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:06.400 that was my entire major, so hilarious. That's what I 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.640 spent all the money on. Stabler tells this girl, well, 0:37:09.719 --> 0:37:12.600 Caroline was murdered, and then she gets like really quiet 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:15.279 and goes, I gotta go, and Stabler's like, okay, you 0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:17.680 can't like act so obvious in front of the cops, 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:20.520 like why are you so spooked? And she goes because 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:25.120 of Brian and explains that Brian Tausend is in Feruk's 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.120 class two and bought a bunch of papers off of Caroline. 0:37:28.200 --> 0:37:30.919 He got really nervous when Feruk started investigating and said 0:37:30.920 --> 0:37:33.279 he was going to take care of the problem. So 0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:35.319 now we're at a bar with a pool table and 0:37:35.360 --> 0:37:38.319 this guy with a spiky flat top, flat on top 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.280 hair is like, so I bought papers, it's not a crime, 0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:43.759 and Finn's like, well, Caroline was murdered, and he's like, 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:44.759 I didn't kill her. 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:45.920 I was going to bribe her. 0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:48.839 I offered her one thousand dollars to keep quiet, and 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:51.600 she laughed in his face and started waving that huge 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.560 diamond ring around and said it would take a lot 0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:55.920 more than a g to keep her ass quiet, and 0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:58.719 Finn's like, sounds like the ring Gloria was wearing, but 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:02.279 bah bah bah making connections, and the guy's like, oh, 0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.520 Gloria's bought papers off Caroline. She's bought more papers than 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:09.480 anyone off Caroline, and she was freaking out about the investigation. 0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:13.080 So now uh, back to go talk to bitchy micmitch face. 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:16.480 They bust into the lecture hall. It's like, so it's 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:18.960 fluorescent lighting. It's full professor Like. I know that they 0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.960 shoot on location at an actual lecture hall because it's 0:38:22.000 --> 0:38:25.280 so real, like just that lighting when you're so hungover 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.080 and you have to like listen to a professor talk 0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:28.759 like oh, I was getting flashbacks. 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:30.920 So there's some professors droning on. 0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:33.839 Gloria looks bored as fucked, and then the cops just 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:35.960 walk up to her and are like we need to talk, 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.160 and she's like, I'm not going anywhere. She is just 0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:40.879 like really fun to watch, like she has no fear 0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:44.680 of cops or authority. She's like, what bye, I'm busy 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.879 like and stables. She's rich, Yeah, exactly, she's privilege. It's 0:38:48.880 --> 0:38:51.520 full privilege. And that's like why the episode's called class. 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.040 I feel like it's a double entendre this class college 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:57.920 and there's class like the different classes of all these kids. 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:00.960 So Stabler's like, sweetie, to rest you here in front 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:02.680 of everyone and take you out of here in cuffs. 0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:03.200 You want that? 0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.879 And she's like, oh bye, big eye. Roll goes with them, 0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.439 and Finn goes to the rest of the class, sorry 0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:13.320 for interrupting. Stay in school. Amazing. I love a Finn 0:39:13.440 --> 0:39:16.239 telling everyone to stay in school. And so that's the 0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:18.319 end of act one, is taking this little bitch out 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.200 of her college class. So now at the top of 0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.800 back two, Gloria is an interrogation like this is crazy. 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:26.560 I would never kill anyone. The ring was just sitting 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.640 on Caroline's dresser, so I borrowed it, Like what do 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:31.920 you care? And they're like, where were you last night? 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.960 And she goes a cappella rehearsal, which I fucking love. 0:39:35.040 --> 0:39:38.640 Of course, this bitch does acapella, Like of course. When 0:39:38.680 --> 0:39:40.400 I was in college, I actually tried out for the 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.319 a cappella group and I got a callback and went 0:39:42.360 --> 0:39:44.759 to an all day audition and then didn't get it, 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:46.960 and I was devastated. I just want everyone to know 0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:50.040 that acapella has a real It's a real trigger for 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:52.480 me because I was very close but I didn't get in. 0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:54.760 And they like it was like the one. 0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:56.960 All girl group that was like all gorgeous girls, like 0:39:57.040 --> 0:39:59.799 Rachel Platten was in this acappella group. The pop star. 0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:01.880 I mean, she's kind of a pop star. She was 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.920 in Taylor's gang for like five seconds, but she was 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.120 in this one at my college, so of course she 0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:10.120 does a cappella. She says, I didn't like Caroline, but 0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:12.480 I had no reason to kill her. And they're like, well, 0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:15.120 you were about to get expelled with this cheating scandal, 0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:19.520 and she's like, lol, Hudson doesn't expel anyone. It's like, yeah, 0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:22.160 they've let so many rapists go back to lacrosse practice 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:24.600 like nothing ever happened. I don't know why anyone thinks 0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:28.320 that anyone's getting expelled. Gloria explains, like, yeah, high grades 0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:30.960 keep parents happy, happy, parents are big donors, Like the 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:34.319 school doesn't really give a shit about cheating. Then points out, oh, well, 0:40:34.360 --> 0:40:36.400 your family has a building named after you, and a 0:40:36.400 --> 0:40:38.640 couple of wings and a hospital and a museum. 0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:39.560 See what I mean. 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:41.320 A girl with a wing named after her at the 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:43.120 college is not going to be in a dorm room 0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:44.800 with a stranger. Like she's going to call the school 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:47.200 and go give me my own like double and I'll 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.239 live in it by myself that her parents will. I mean, 0:40:50.680 --> 0:40:53.920 so if Caroline talked and you got kicked out of school, 0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:56.160 that would really fuck up your future. And she's like, 0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.640 do you guys honestly think I could kill Caroline? And 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:00.439 I'm like, I guess you just don't know what seen, 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:02.960 because yes, they think that you could definitely kill Caroline. 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:04.960 They go, why don't we just call the press, call 0:41:05.040 --> 0:41:09.080 Han heiress in murder investigation? And it's like, oh, I wrote, 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.240 I wrote in my notes plot hole. She's an heiress. 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:13.960 Why would she be in campus housing? So obviously this 0:41:14.080 --> 0:41:15.560 was a big thing for me as I was taking 0:41:15.600 --> 0:41:17.960 my notes. And she goes, wait, wait, don't call anyone. 0:41:17.960 --> 0:41:20.120 So obviously the press thing does scare her a little bit, 0:41:20.480 --> 0:41:22.960 and Finn goes to check on her acappella alibi and 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:25.840 Stabler's like, okay, tell me what's up. Gloria starts to 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.919 spill to Stabler that Caroline bragged about ripping off a rich, 0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:31.360 famous guy for the ring. All she said was that 0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:33.680 he'd wake up the next morning and miss it real bad. 0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:36.160 So now we're walking her out and she's like, I 0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.400 told you my alibi was good, and Finn goes singing 0:41:39.440 --> 0:41:41.400 the Indigo Girls in five part harmony. 0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.719 That's painful. Ah fa, that is meant for you. 0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.239 That sentence is meant for you, and this sentence is 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.160 meant for me, Like put it on a T shirt 0:41:49.239 --> 0:41:49.600 for me. 0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:50.399 I love that. 0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:53.319 Like, wait, have I seen the video where it's like 0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.600 Sarah Paul Sin take Nataro, all these people in a 0:41:56.760 --> 0:41:59.200 party bus going to the Indigo Girls concert or like 0:41:59.400 --> 0:42:02.239 home from It all sing and they're all singing a song. 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:05.640 Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they're all singing like Galileo or something. 0:42:05.760 --> 0:42:07.360 I love the Indigo Girls and I see if I 0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.640 try like five times. I'm a big Indigo Girls fan. 0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:13.360 I watched them live during the pandemic and was like 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:15.720 crying because I was like, what's happening to the world, 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.120 Like I love the Indigo Girls and I love that. 0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:23.320 Finn's like, fuck the Indigo Girls. So Stabler goes, well, listen, 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:24.759 we might need to talk to you again, so don't 0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.600 hop on any flights to France, and she goes, mmm. 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:31.920 Cop comedian is there anything you don't do? It's like, yes, parents, children, 0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.880 but also this girl is so funny to me. I 0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:38.200 like love that she's just like tossing it back in 0:42:38.239 --> 0:42:41.640 Stabler's face. Finn tel's Stabler. He talked to some connects 0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:44.040 about the ring and it's a double D. It stands 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:47.680 for Stabler, goes, I think there's a different sizing system 0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:49.600 for rings, Finn, I don't think it's the same as 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:53.319 tits like, it's such a stupid comment, and Finn's like, yeah, 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:56.120 it's double D is diamond Dove. He's an Israeli jeweler 0:42:56.120 --> 0:42:58.839 to the Star Stars, which sounds like they're referencing Jacob 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.719 the jeweler, who's like a famous jeweler who you know, 0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:06.040 makes rings for athletes, rappers, famous people of all stripes. 0:43:06.360 --> 0:43:09.360 So if Caroline was turning tricks, maybe she stole the 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:11.560 ring from a John, a rich and famous john. Maybe 0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:13.279 she set up a meet to return the ring. She 0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:16.520 shows up empty handed. He loses control and apparently this 0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:19.360 ring is worth about one hundred thousand dollars. If it's custom, 0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:22.440 double d diamond Dove can tell us who he made 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:24.920 it for. So now we're at Diamond Dove's shop. He 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.719 makes art, he says, and the celebrities around the world 0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:30.120 are his collectors, and he's not about to give the 0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.680 cops any personal information on any of his clients. And 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.160 Stabler goes, why don't I call the irs, And Dove's like, 0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:37.080 hold on a minute, let me give you some personal 0:43:37.080 --> 0:43:40.120 information on my clients. Like immediately is like, let's chill out, 0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:42.600 and folds and he's like, I made this ring for 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:46.520 a football player named Roddy Franklin. We cool cool, So 0:43:46.560 --> 0:43:49.120 Stableer and Finn both know exactly who Roddy is and 0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:51.400 they know all his playing stats. He's a wide receiver 0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:54.359 for New Jersey. New Jersey doesn't have an NFL team, 0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:57.440 but I guess the Jets maybe playing New Jersey anyway. 0:43:57.719 --> 0:44:00.799 He's got one thousand yards nine touchdowns last season. You know, 0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:02.680 I don't care what any of this means. They go 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:05.560 to Roddy's house and the actor playing him is Matthew 0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:09.080 Saint Patrick, who I recognize from Six Feet Under. He 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:12.799 is was Michael Seahall's boyfriend on that show in the 0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:15.520 first season at least. And his two sons are like 0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:17.759 playing football and spazing in the living room and They 0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:19.759 show him the ring and he's like, oh, where'd you 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:21.880 find this? And he's like, I don't. I must have 0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.080 lost it. I travel a lot. They say, where did 0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:25.719 you go two nights ago? And he says, I took 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:28.680 the kids to their grandma's with my wife. He says 0:44:28.680 --> 0:44:31.000 he's never seen Caroline before. When they show a picture 0:44:31.120 --> 0:44:32.759 and now Finn is talking to the wife and she 0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:36.520 corroborates the grandma story and she's like, oh, the ring. 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:38.920 Yeah, I wasn't surprised that thing got stolen. 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:40.399 I told him it was dumbed to buy a ring 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.560 that costs more than our first home. And so back 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:45.839 to Stabler and Roddy and he's like, oh, okay, so 0:44:45.880 --> 0:44:47.440 she must have been the one who found my lost ring. 0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:49.040 Give me your name. I'll send her a reward. 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:52.640 So Stabler goes make it out to Caroline Pereira in 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:56.920 Care of the Afterlife. He never stops work, shopping jokes. 0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:00.080 Stabler tells him that she was murdered and that the 0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.120 ring is evidence in a homicide. You'll have to wait 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:05.160 till we find the killer. Outside, Stabler talks to Finn 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:07.239 and we can tell we're outside like a mansion. We 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:09.920 walk past a sports car. This guy's got money, money, money, 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:13.160 and they're like, this guy loses a rock worth one 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:15.720 hundred K and doesn't report it, Like they think maybe 0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:18.600 Franklin is caroline sugar daddy, and he's like not telling 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:22.839 them obviously. Back at the sixteenth Precinct, Craigan's like, all right, 0:45:22.880 --> 0:45:25.080 what do we know about this dude? And they're like, oh, 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:27.360 he keeps a low profile. After that thing that happened 0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:29.359 with a stripper a few years back, his wife caught 0:45:29.400 --> 0:45:31.600 him and bought He bought his wife a diamond necklace 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:33.680 that costs more than an aircraft carrier to make up 0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:36.160 for it. Maybe this was a mistake he couldn't afford. 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:39.040 He had to make Caroline disappear. Stabler comes in with 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:42.160 a lead. Caroline was in Atlantic City at the same 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:45.040 time as Roddy a few weeks back, and that's a 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:47.399 great place to take a mistress. People are discreet there, 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:48.719 And I'm like, I don't think I think of the 0:45:48.719 --> 0:45:50.759 word discreet when I think of Atlantic City, but I 0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:53.640 guess in terms of you know, affairs. Now they're in 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.560 Atlantic City and the guy at the Hotel del Mar 0:45:56.600 --> 0:45:59.760 tells them that Roddy is a frequent guest and recently 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.960 was in town for a celeb poker tournament two months ago. 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:06.840 The guy recognizes Caroline immediately and asks, oh, did he 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.839 finally catch up with her? And they tell him, uh, well, 0:46:09.920 --> 0:46:12.080 she's dead, and he's like, I got something you got 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:14.560 to see. So cuts to them watching security footage of 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:18.200 Caroline and Roddy gambling in a private high stakes room 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:22.239 high rollers only, and he comes there. He came there 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:24.840 after this celebrity tournament that he was playing in, and 0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:26.960 they're like, what about Caroline, how'd she get in the game, 0:46:27.000 --> 0:46:29.320 and he goes, oh, she's down here every other weekend, 0:46:29.440 --> 0:46:31.359 like we comp her, meals, her room, like. 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:32.400 She's a player. 0:46:32.920 --> 0:46:35.080 On the tape, they see Roddy betting his ring because 0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.799 he had a great hand, but then Caroline beats him 0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:40.160 with an even better hand and then she puts the 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:42.520 ring on, and in the video she's in his face 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.480 being like Nana, Nana, Nana, I got your ring, like 0:46:45.520 --> 0:46:48.680 she's super taunting him and he looks pissed. So they 0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:51.360 show up in the locker room now to talk to Roddy. 0:46:51.400 --> 0:46:53.480 He's got one of those leather jackets on that has 0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:56.040 like big fur trim and he's like telling all his 0:46:56.040 --> 0:46:58.440 buddies some kind of big story. Everyone's listening to him 0:46:58.440 --> 0:47:00.759 in the locker room, and then they're like, we got 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:02.560 to talk to you. So they all head outside and 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.359 they're like, Roddy, start talking. We've got you on tape 0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.160 with a girl you told us you didn't even know. 0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:09.160 Why did you lie to us? He goes, because I 0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:11.120 wasn't supposed to be there. The league has me on 0:47:11.160 --> 0:47:14.000 probation for gambling. I obviously am best friends with Amanda 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:16.440 Rollins and I have a problem. They let him play 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:19.040 in these charity tournaments because all the money goes to 0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:21.200 people in need, Like I can't keep any of the money. 0:47:21.480 --> 0:47:24.040 But then this girl fleeced me at the table. If 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.320 the commissioner finds out about it, I'm gonna get fined. 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:27.400 I could get suspended. 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:31.040 So he is nervous and they're like, okay, well a 0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:33.600 murder charge will also be bad. And he's like, no, no, no, 0:47:33.640 --> 0:47:35.120 I did not kill this bitch. And he goes, but 0:47:35.160 --> 0:47:37.520 I know who did, so he tells them it's got 0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:39.600 to be this guy who runs the underground poker game. 0:47:39.800 --> 0:47:41.680 Roddy was like, I tried to buy the ring back 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.759 from Caroline, but she said I had to win it back, 0:47:44.120 --> 0:47:45.880 so I invited her to a private game in New 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:46.399 York City. 0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:48.440 But she was a ringer. She was beating everyone. 0:47:48.520 --> 0:47:51.640 She became a regular, and he eventually figured that he 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:54.400 would get his ring back at some point, so like whatever. 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:57.080 A couple nights ago, she had a streak of really 0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.440 bad luck and owed the house one hundred and fifty k, 0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:01.600 and the guy that runs the game said she had 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:04.160 twenty four hours to pay the money back or else. 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:05.680 I don't really know. 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.280 If bookies like kill people, like we did another episode 0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.239 about this where they were like dead men don't pay 0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:12.120 their debts. Like you could kill someone, but you don't 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:14.000 get your one hundred and fifty k back, so it's 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.400 better to just like terrorize them and like threaten their 0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:18.600 family and stuff until they come up with the money, 0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.600 you know. But that's just what I've learned from SVU. 0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.440 I obviously am not a in a professional gambling ring, 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:27.840 though I could. I'm really addicted to gambling. This guy, 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:30.879 his name is Riley. He says he's got ice water 0:48:30.920 --> 0:48:32.480 in his veins. It's like he can kill you and 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:36.000 order out for pizza right after he lives very close 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:38.960 by to where they found Caroline's body. Cut to them 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:42.840 raiding Riley's game, and it's hard to tell this, but 0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:45.879 Riley is played by an actor named Nick Sandau, who 0:48:46.040 --> 0:48:48.520 is Capudo from Orange Is the New Black. 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:50.919 You can't really tell because he has no facial hairy. 0:48:50.920 --> 0:48:52.759 He just looks so different, like he's kind of a 0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:55.240 man who without a mustache. It's like a different face. 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.799 And he's like, what the hell's going on here? This 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.799 is a friendly social gathering. Nothing's going on on and 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.799 they go, yeah, friends don't steal friends life savings, and 0:49:03.840 --> 0:49:07.040 that's Finn says that as he's cuffing Riley out in 0:49:07.080 --> 0:49:10.160 the alley, Stabler notices check this out. There's a wall 0:49:10.280 --> 0:49:12.840 covered in red paint like what was on Caroline's hands 0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:14.920 and under her nails when they found her body. So 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:17.960 done done, maybe she was killed there. Cut to the 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:21.040 holding cell and Riley is like, call my lawyer. You're 0:49:21.080 --> 0:49:23.760 gonna pay for this, YadA, YadA, YadA. He tells Finn 0:49:23.800 --> 0:49:25.920 to shove it up his ass, and Finn is about 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:28.240 to like maybe punch him through the bars when Daddy 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:31.040 Craigan intervenes and goes my office, which we all know 0:49:31.080 --> 0:49:34.799 what that means. In Craigan's office, there's a guy from 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:38.560 the Secret Service and he goes Riley's with us, and 0:49:38.600 --> 0:49:41.600 I'm like, the Secret Service, Like he's a federal agent 0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.680 named Doug Kirsten, That's who Capudo is. And they're like, 0:49:45.719 --> 0:49:48.960 he's been undercover targeting underground gambling clubs. Why would the 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:51.680 Secret Service have anything to do with that? Like, was 0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:53.239 this just supposed to say FBI. 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:53.520 I don't know. 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:56.560 I thought the Secret Service was just to protect politicians 0:49:56.560 --> 0:49:58.160 and the president and his family and stuff. 0:49:58.200 --> 0:49:59.560 So I'm confused about that. 0:49:59.680 --> 0:50:03.640 But then I think Finn goes of all the gin 0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:05.840 joints in this city. We had to walk into yours, 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:07.960 which is a twist on a quote from Casablanca. And 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.279 you've got to give it to Finn. Indigo girls, Casablanca. 0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:12.879 He's got all the cultural references and. 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:14.520 A big Finn episode. 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:20.120 Yeah, stay in school, Indigo girls. You know, he assures them, 0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:23.000 Doug Curson is not your killer, Like he'll brief you guys, 0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:24.719 but we got to keep his cover because like this 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:26.480 is a you know, it's always like this is a 0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:29.360 three year operation. You can't blow it. So they do 0:50:29.480 --> 0:50:31.880 this whole charade where like they lead him out of 0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.479 the precinct and they're talking shit to each other walking 0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:37.040 him to the elevator, and then right before the doors closed, 0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:40.160 he goes ATREUM fifty six and fifth, nine am tomorrow. 0:50:40.719 --> 0:50:43.840 So now we're at this place in full public. I 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:45.879 don't know why they're not in somewhere private, but we're 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.840 walking and talking with the cops over coffee. He basically 0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:51.560 admits that he did dump the body. He says, one 0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:53.520 of my bouncers was there, and he wouldn't believe that 0:50:53.560 --> 0:50:56.279 I would call the cops because like we're all criminals, 0:50:56.440 --> 0:50:58.280 you know. So he didn't want to blow a fifteen 0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:01.200 month investigation, so he left her under the grate to 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:03.520 try to preserve evidence. And he doesn't feel good about it, 0:51:03.600 --> 0:51:06.560 but he was trying to like, you know, keep chain 0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:09.239 of custody and have her be found quickly, but not 0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:13.120 you know, give up that he's a cop. So Caroline 0:51:13.320 --> 0:51:15.840 left the club. They heard yelling in the alley. He 0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:17.719 went to go check it out. They found her dead, 0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:21.080 the killer gone. So he tells them that Caroline also 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:23.960 gambled online and that she had just been booted from 0:51:24.280 --> 0:51:28.600 a website called pokerfastlane dot com. Two good websites, Pay 0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:31.520 Me Pronto pokerfastlane dot com. You know, s Fu always 0:51:31.520 --> 0:51:35.879 coming up with these good URLs she got and Finn goes, yeah, 0:51:35.920 --> 0:51:37.719 you get kicked off of those sites for cheating, And 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:41.320 Kirsten goes and he was like, how do you cheat online? 0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:43.120 And Kirsten's like, you cheat online the same way you 0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:45.640 do in real life. Two people sit at separate computers 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.600 and they're working together. So Caroline had a silent partner, 0:51:48.800 --> 0:51:51.319 and with her dead and the partner a secret, the debt, 0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:53.440 it disappears and it's the hell of a motive to 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:56.360 kill someone. So now Taru is taking us through the 0:51:56.400 --> 0:52:00.920 stats on Caroline's pokerfastlane dot com account, and every time 0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:03.920 Caroline logged on, so did a user with the id 0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:06.440 Jack King. And Stabler goes, well, that's got to be 0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:09.359 a code name. It's like, good job, Stabler, Jack King. Yes, 0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:12.359 definitely a code name on a poker site. He's got 0:52:12.360 --> 0:52:14.520 a log back on at some point to try to score, 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:16.640 So let's smoke him out invite him to a game. 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.120 But the invite has to come from someone who he knows. 0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:23.720 Let's have Riley do it cut to a private gambling party. 0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:26.600 Finn and Stabler are at the table undercover. They get 0:52:26.600 --> 0:52:28.839 a buzz for someone to be let in and it's 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:31.360 Jack King. When he walks in, Stabler turns around and 0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:36.000 goes hi, Jack, and immediately recognizes it's Adam Done Done, 0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:40.120 Caroline's old high school bestie. This guy Adam. They arrest 0:52:40.160 --> 0:52:43.160 him immediately for Caroline's murder, and he looked. He immediately 0:52:43.200 --> 0:52:44.839 has his look on his face like, oh, how did 0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:47.960 I fall for this? It's like, well, you kind of 0:52:47.960 --> 0:52:49.800 have a face like you'd fall for it. So anyway, 0:52:49.920 --> 0:52:53.480 at the precinct, suddenly Olivia is back in the picture. 0:52:53.680 --> 0:52:56.160 She's been gone at a doctor's appointment. This might be 0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:58.080 the season where she's pregnant. I think it actually is. 0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:00.680 You know, I've been falling asleep test for you again, 0:53:00.920 --> 0:53:03.880 and you know what sucks when you follow asleep to 0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:05.760 a Benson and then you wake up and it's Danny 0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:07.880 Beck's voice and you're like, get the fuck out of 0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:11.279 my life. 0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:13.399 We have to decide if we actually want to get 0:53:13.400 --> 0:53:16.200 that woman on the podcast. We talked so much shit, but. 0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:18.200 I mean we can ask her like, do you know 0:53:18.239 --> 0:53:20.279 people hate your character? And how do you feel about that? 0:53:21.840 --> 0:53:23.400 I know she must have an inkling. 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.919 Yeah. 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:32.240 At the precincts. Suddenly Olivia's back from a doctor's appointment. 0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:34.400 I guess she's pregnant. This season, she's been going the 0:53:34.400 --> 0:53:36.440 whole episode since the very beginning. Now she's back, and 0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:38.600 she's got a little download on Adam's life. She's like, 0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:42.200 he doesn't come from much. He's from the same like Lagrange, whatever, 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.000 we don't know what state that is, from working class parents, 0:53:45.480 --> 0:53:48.200 no rap sheet. Olivia is like, why do you ask 0:53:48.200 --> 0:53:49.759 me to dig up the SOB story on the sky? 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:51.719 Don't we usually leave that to the defense attorneys? And 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:53.719 Stabler's like, I know there's more to Adam than just 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:56.480 murdering his best friend to cover a debt. So then 0:53:56.760 --> 0:53:58.480 you know this is one of the things where Stabler 0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.640 takes interest in a particular like, you know, straight white 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:02.320 man who. 0:54:02.120 --> 0:54:02.759 Needs his help. 0:54:03.120 --> 0:54:05.440 So he goes in to talk to Adam and he says, 0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:07.520 I can tell when a good kid gets pulled into 0:54:07.560 --> 0:54:10.160 a bad thing. And he says, Caroline and I were 0:54:10.239 --> 0:54:12.040 bff's for life. They just wanted to get the hell 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.520 out of Lagrange. And he said when they got to Hudson. 0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:16.920 It was more bullshit. They were just poor kids from 0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:20.719 the boonies there washing dishes, serving meals. Caroline couldn't take it. 0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:23.640 She started selling term papers and that's when they started 0:54:23.640 --> 0:54:26.520 their poker partnership. He goes, we'd work different clubs, we'd 0:54:26.600 --> 0:54:28.640 switch and trade in fu about the regulars, and the 0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:29.719 money just rolled in. 0:54:29.840 --> 0:54:31.000 Caroline paid her tuition. 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:35.520 Adam said he used the money for the good life clubs, restaurants, concerts, 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:38.320 hanging with the rich kids. He's like, I wasn't invisible anymore. 0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:40.400 It was like I had a whole new life. And 0:54:40.400 --> 0:54:42.560 then he says, and then it was like Caroline screwed 0:54:42.600 --> 0:54:44.239 it up. And he's like, I told her to take 0:54:44.280 --> 0:54:46.799 things slow, not to be greedy. She wouldn't listen to me. 0:54:47.239 --> 0:54:49.200 He was going to lose everything. She dug them in 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:51.279 a hole so deep I knew we would never get out. 0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:52.880 And he just did not want to go back to 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:56.120 being invisible. And he says it was an accident. I 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:58.200 didn't mean to do it, and Stabler goes, you need 0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:00.920 a lawyer, so you know, usually stablers like give me 0:55:00.960 --> 0:55:03.000 that confession, baby, but this time he's really trying to 0:55:03.000 --> 0:55:06.279 help this kid. So now we're at Novak's office. She 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:08.759 does not have the time of day for Stabler. She 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:11.120 is also extremely blonde. I think she has to get 0:55:11.160 --> 0:55:13.680 to a highlighting appointment because she is the blondest I've 0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:16.320 ever seen her. He goes, just give me one second. 0:55:16.320 --> 0:55:17.799 He goes, I just want you to go easy on 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:19.640 this kid. I think he's a good kid, and like, 0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:21.840 will you please plead him out? And she's like, he 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:23.759 confessed to murder, Like why would I do that? I'm 0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:26.480 Casey Novak And Stabler's like, I have a soft spot 0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:28.440 for poor kids who have to run with the rich dogs. 0:55:28.480 --> 0:55:30.640 And Stablers like, Casey, you and I were both poor. 0:55:30.760 --> 0:55:32.080 You get it. I don't think I knew that. 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.680 I don't think I remember Casey coming from like hard, 0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:38.680 hard beginnings or whatever. And Casey's like, yeah, I waited 0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.280 tables in law school and I serve my classmates. It sucked, 0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:43.799 but I didn't kill anyone. And at least make sure 0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:46.000 he gets a good public defender, he says, and she goes, 0:55:46.040 --> 0:55:48.480 I'll make a call. So now we're in court and 0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:50.799 the guy who walks in to represent Adam is an 0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:53.759 actor named Joey Slotnik. I don't know if you know him, 0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:58.000 but he famously is in Niptuck as a guy named Boblet. Like, 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:00.680 whenever I see this character, I go Bobla like because 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:02.680 it's such a weird name, and that's like who this 0:56:02.760 --> 0:56:04.840 guy is to me. I think it's only six episodes 0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:07.759 of Niptock, but he's a wild like he's got like 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:09.040 one of these faces like. 0:56:09.000 --> 0:56:09.960 That you just remember. 0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:13.960 And he was also a regular series regular on The 0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:16.680 Single Guy with our friend of the Pad Jonathan Silverman. 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:18.680 So I saw that he's like he's on the cover 0:56:18.840 --> 0:56:22.839 of the show poster and he's playing a lawyer named 0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:26.399 Walter Camp clearly pricey because Casey is shocked to see him, 0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.360 and he's like, oh, I'm doing this case pro bono. 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.680 He actually knows Adam from the poker clubs. So now 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:35.719 in court it's Queen Lena Petrowski presiding and this guy 0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:38.799 Walter enters a plea of not guilty for Adam by 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:42.040 reason of mental disease or defect, claiming it's gambling addiction. 0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.720 Now Casey's talking to Walter and she's like, your defense 0:56:45.800 --> 0:56:48.680 is bullshit, and Walter's like, two percent of this country 0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:51.759 are gambling addicts. Casey's like, I'm not buying it. He goes, 0:56:51.800 --> 0:56:54.240 if one juror has a gambler in their lives. 0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:56.840 Two percent, not even that much, is it? Two percent? 0:56:57.040 --> 0:57:00.000 Well, I guess two percent of this country is like 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:01.399 two million people. 0:57:02.080 --> 0:57:03.720 Spread across the whole country. 0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.360 Yeah, the chances of someone on the jerky, I just 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:07.920 don't think it's that big of a number. 0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:10.239 But then, like a main character on this show is 0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:12.799 a gambling addict. A few seasons later, like you know, 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:13.359 so I. 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.320 Guess his thing is like you got me, Yeah, I 0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:19.560 mean his thing is like if one person even knows 0:57:19.560 --> 0:57:23.840 a gambling addict, like you know, they'll hear my witnesses 0:57:23.880 --> 0:57:24.560 and you'll lose. 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:26.680 So let's just plead him down, and Casey's with you. 0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:29.040 Casey's like, fuck that, there probably won't be Like don't 0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:31.200 I've got this guy dead to right, so forget it. 0:57:31.800 --> 0:57:34.800 First up on the stand now we're in court, is 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:37.520 a member of the Hudson University Card Club, and he's 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:40.080 this dork. He only places small bets and Adam wanted 0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.320 bigger pots. He thought Adam was out of control and addicted, 0:57:43.360 --> 0:57:45.080 and he was trying to take money from people that 0:57:45.080 --> 0:57:48.760 they didn't have on redirect, Walter establishes that Hudson pays 0:57:48.760 --> 0:57:50.960 for the card club, so they might be responsible for 0:57:51.000 --> 0:57:53.200 hooking Adam on poker, Like, yeah, let's get Hudson. 0:57:53.240 --> 0:57:54.720 They have deep pockets, let's sue them. 0:57:55.320 --> 0:57:57.280 The kid on the stand tells them how one time 0:57:57.320 --> 0:57:59.600 Adam lost a bunch of hands and went full Teresa 0:57:59.680 --> 0:58:01.000 Judae I flipped the table. 0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:02.200 They had to call security. 0:58:02.360 --> 0:58:06.200 Apparently that witness is makes a big impression on the jury, 0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:08.200 because Walter goes to Casey, you should have taken the 0:58:08.240 --> 0:58:10.840 plea and Casey's like, no, he wasn't high when he 0:58:10.920 --> 0:58:11.360 killed her. 0:58:11.400 --> 0:58:12.600 He was fully in control. 0:58:12.920 --> 0:58:15.800 And Walter is like, you obviously don't get gambling addiction, 0:58:15.880 --> 0:58:17.959 and then he opens up about his own story. He goes, 0:58:18.240 --> 0:58:21.120 I lost thirty thousand dollars in one night playing poker. 0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:23.360 I tried to recoup the next night and I lost 0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:26.280 forty thousand more. My wife jammed my laptop down the 0:58:26.280 --> 0:58:29.000 garbage chute and made me get counseling, but I kept playing. 0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:31.720 What finally got him to stop was that Loan Sharks 0:58:31.760 --> 0:58:35.160 broke his leg. And he's like and Casey's like, okay, sure, 0:58:35.360 --> 0:58:37.240 but you didn't kill your wife to pay the loan 0:58:37.280 --> 0:58:40.000 sharks with insurance money. You never lost your mind and 0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:43.680 like a resorted to violence. And this is interesting because 0:58:43.680 --> 0:58:45.600 you know what, this reminds me of an episode of 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:48.960 Iced Teas podcast that I iced. He got the best 0:58:49.080 --> 0:58:52.640 guests on his podcast, and he has an episode where 0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:54.960 he talks to a guy who lost like I think 0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:58.240 a million dollars in a summer or something crazy, just 0:58:58.400 --> 0:59:01.960 gambling and like spending it on crazy shit. So if 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:03.400 you want to check that out, that's part of the 0:59:03.440 --> 0:59:07.120 final level Iced Tea's old podcast. So now Casey and 0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:09.680 Stabler are in a walk and talk with Huang, and 0:59:09.800 --> 0:59:13.840 Stabler thinks Walter is a snake oil salesman, and Huang argues, no, Casey, 0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:16.120 this is serious. Gamblers lose it all. They bring their 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:19.640 families down to gambling. Addicts are just chasing that dopamine 0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:21.960 rush the same way as a drinker or a drug user. 0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:25.760 Stabler's not buying this shit, Huang as usual as asking 0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:28.440 what we're all thinking, like what's going on with you 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:31.400 and this kid to Stabler like what's happening? 0:59:31.480 --> 0:59:32.240 What's your connection? 0:59:32.320 --> 0:59:35.400 And Stabler now takes us down memory lane where He's like, 0:59:35.440 --> 0:59:38.040 I was nineteen working at my uncle's bar. These two 0:59:38.160 --> 0:59:40.920 rich punks jumped me. They had spit in my face 0:59:40.960 --> 0:59:43.080 earlier because I wouldn't serve them. They had no ID, 0:59:43.560 --> 0:59:45.280 and he busted one of the kids over their head 0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:47.320 with a glass bottle and he almost died. I'm like, 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:51.320 from a glass bottle? Okay, how agro did you get? Stabler? 0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:54.280 He goes, I got arrested later because it turns out 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:56.200 the kid's dad was a lawyer in this white shoe 0:59:56.280 --> 0:59:58.800 law firm and who knew people in the DA's office. 0:59:58.840 --> 1:00:00.880 But my dad was a cop, called a favor in 1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:03.040 from an old academy buddy and made the whole thing 1:00:03.080 --> 1:00:05.600 go away. So it's like, so you're both privileged. You 1:00:05.720 --> 1:00:09.360 had caught privilege and he had like DA privilege. Like 1:00:09.400 --> 1:00:12.320 you both like it seems like I don't know, I 1:00:12.320 --> 1:00:14.120 don't know get Stabler's thick. It's like you still got 1:00:14.160 --> 1:00:16.880 out of it. It didn't like ruin your life. And Wang's like, 1:00:17.280 --> 1:00:19.360 he goes, that was more than self defense, like you 1:00:19.400 --> 1:00:21.439 were pissed at these kids, and he goes, they spit 1:00:21.480 --> 1:00:24.680 in my face like I'm trash. No, And Stabler sees 1:00:24.720 --> 1:00:26.880 himself in Adam, he gets how he felt, and Hoank 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:31.280 suggests that Casey point to Adam's anger about what this 1:00:31.320 --> 1:00:33.800 whole thing, show them that when he strangled Caroline, it 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:35.560 was about rage and not about addiction. 1:00:36.200 --> 1:00:38.680 So now in trial, Casey's. 1:00:38.400 --> 1:00:40.200 Questioning Adam, and you know, I forgot who it was 1:00:40.240 --> 1:00:42.240 because I can't remember this guy's face. But it's Adam, 1:00:42.640 --> 1:00:45.640 he says. The night that she died, Caroline called him 1:00:45.640 --> 1:00:47.520 and told him about one hundred and fifty K and 1:00:47.560 --> 1:00:51.200 that she was gonna tell Riley. He owed, half like Caroline, 1:00:51.200 --> 1:00:52.920 sounds like not to speak ill of the dead, but 1:00:53.040 --> 1:00:55.400 like you got in one hundred and fifty K playing 1:00:55.680 --> 1:00:57.360 you taunted a football player. 1:00:57.480 --> 1:00:59.960 Why are you bringing this poor kid down? And he goes. 1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:03.240 They started arguing. She pushed him, He pushed her back 1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:03.959 against the wall. 1:01:04.560 --> 1:01:05.240 She fell. 1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:07.560 She tried to get back up, and he just kept 1:01:07.560 --> 1:01:10.040 pushing her down. She screamed, and he's like, I had 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:11.560 to shut her up. So I put my hands around 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:13.480 her neck, and he said his head was spinning. He 1:01:13.520 --> 1:01:16.360 was squeezing tighter and tighter. There was a bright flash. 1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:18.560 I must have strangled her. It was all a haze. 1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:19.240 It was an accident. 1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:22.200 She's kind of playing the whole I saw red, I 1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:24.880 blacked out defense that we've seen a ton of different 1:01:24.880 --> 1:01:28.920 defendants do on this show. Before Stabler passes Casey a note, 1:01:28.960 --> 1:01:32.120 and Casey asks Adam about the rings she was wearing 1:01:32.120 --> 1:01:35.000 when he killed her, and he says, yeah, she was 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:37.440 wearing it, the diamond ring, and Casey goes, what's your 1:01:37.440 --> 1:01:41.240 relationship to Caroline's roommate, Gloria Calhane and he hesitates, but 1:01:41.320 --> 1:01:44.920 he admits, Gloria is my girlfriend. Now, Walter asked for 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:47.360 a recess, and Casey asked Stabler, how did you know? 1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:50.240 So now we cut to Stabler taking a picture of 1:01:50.280 --> 1:01:53.600 himself with Caroline's sidekick phone from Like You Know two 1:01:53.600 --> 1:01:57.400 thousand and six, and Casey and Stabler are an interrogation 1:01:57.520 --> 1:02:00.480 with Gloria. Casey points out that the glare of the 1:02:00.600 --> 1:02:04.440 ring is what caused that ORB photo that ORB in 1:02:04.480 --> 1:02:06.720 the photo that they found on her phone, the same 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:08.640 way that it does in this picture that Stabler just 1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:11.320 took of himself, and the picture that is it's from 1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:13.920 the picture Caroline took of Adam right before he killed her, 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:16.440 So the glare means Caroline was wearing the ring when 1:02:16.480 --> 1:02:18.840 she died, and so how did the ring go from 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:22.080 Caroline's hand to Gloria's hand like she said it was 1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:25.640 on the dresser. Now we're talking to Gloria and she goes, 1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:28.160 I wouldn't call Adam my boyfriend, but he did give 1:02:28.200 --> 1:02:31.440 me the ring, and she's so smirky to Stabler, it's wild, 1:02:31.520 --> 1:02:33.919 and Casey wants to know how did a poor kid 1:02:33.960 --> 1:02:35.120 like Adam get a girl like you? 1:02:35.200 --> 1:02:36.440 And she goes, he earned it. 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:38.840 He took me out, treated me like a queen that 1:02:38.920 --> 1:02:41.240 I am, and I live a certain lifestyle. If he 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:42.560 wanted to have me, he had to give me what 1:02:42.600 --> 1:02:46.320 I needed. Casey goes by whatever means necessary, and Gloria 1:02:46.400 --> 1:02:50.439 gives this like really great, amazing, bitchy like whatever. It's 1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:53.280 like straight out of Clueless. But they they're like, Caroline 1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:55.400 bankrupted this poor kid. Did you tell him that you'd 1:02:55.400 --> 1:02:56.880 stay with him if he was poor? Or did you 1:02:56.880 --> 1:02:59.360 tell him to go kill Caroline? She goes, I'm sure 1:02:59.360 --> 1:03:01.320 I don't know what you're talking about. And it's like 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:03.160 this is a good episode because I don't really know. 1:03:03.480 --> 1:03:06.880 I don't really know how much Gloria was involved, Like was. 1:03:06.840 --> 1:03:08.000 She right there when it happened. 1:03:08.080 --> 1:03:10.480 Or did she just say be a doll and go 1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:12.400 kill this girl so that you can still be afford 1:03:12.440 --> 1:03:14.280 to be my boyfriend. Or was she just like, bitch, 1:03:14.320 --> 1:03:16.000 if you don't have money, I'm out and that's what 1:03:16.040 --> 1:03:19.200 prompted him, Like who knows? Casey gets a light bulb 1:03:19.240 --> 1:03:22.160 and goes, he's not addicted to gambling, He's addicted to you. 1:03:22.560 --> 1:03:25.240 She goes, is that so hard to imagine? And then 1:03:25.280 --> 1:03:28.320 she goes, Adam made his own mistakes and he was enraged. 1:03:28.360 --> 1:03:31.240 And then we cut to Gloria from her enraged statement, 1:03:31.400 --> 1:03:34.320 fully on the stand, nirking on Adam, who is obsessed 1:03:34.360 --> 1:03:36.720 with her. She goes, Adam texted me that night when 1:03:36.720 --> 1:03:38.760 I was at a cappella rehearsal to meet him outside, 1:03:38.760 --> 1:03:40.120 and she said I met him out there and he 1:03:40.240 --> 1:03:43.520 was in a state. Adam is like, Gloria, please stop, 1:03:43.600 --> 1:03:46.200 and Petrofsky's like, you better shut your fucking mouth, young man. 1:03:46.720 --> 1:03:49.280 Casey goes, did Adam say he was going to hurt Caroline? 1:03:49.360 --> 1:03:52.280 And then Gloria takes a second looks at Adam decides 1:03:52.320 --> 1:03:54.400 she doesn't give a fuck and says he said he 1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:55.160 might have to. 1:03:55.240 --> 1:03:57.480 And Adam goes, I love you, don't do this. 1:03:57.880 --> 1:04:00.160 Petrofsky's had enough. She's like, one more outburst and I 1:04:00.160 --> 1:04:02.920 will kick your ass out. And Gloria said that Adam 1:04:02.960 --> 1:04:05.919 said if Caroline couldn't keep her mouth shut, he'd shut 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:08.040 it for her, and it sounded like his mind. 1:04:07.840 --> 1:04:08.320 Was made up. 1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:12.440 Cut to the verdict, obviously guilty, Gloria's testimony was very damning. 1:04:12.960 --> 1:04:15.200 As he's leaving, he turns to Gloria and he's like, 1:04:15.200 --> 1:04:16.880 how good you do this to me? And she's like 1:04:16.880 --> 1:04:18.840 putting on her pea coat. She goes, you did this 1:04:18.880 --> 1:04:22.320 to yourself, like she is fucking I was thinking to myself, 1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:25.360 Ice Queen. And then just then Casey goes, that was cold. 1:04:25.840 --> 1:04:28.560 And then Stabler goes, They're like you had a hand 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:30.600 in this, and she's like, my hands are clean. And 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:34.160 then Stabler arrests her for stealing the ring, a classy 1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:37.280 felony which would get her fifteen years in prison. Adam 1:04:37.360 --> 1:04:40.280 stole it, Casey says, you knowingly possessed it. She goes, 1:04:40.360 --> 1:04:43.200 this is insane, and Sabler goes, they don't allow diamond 1:04:43.240 --> 1:04:44.800 rings in prison, babe, but you're going to have to 1:04:44.840 --> 1:04:48.200 settle for silver bracelets and then off of Casey Novak's face, 1:04:48.280 --> 1:04:51.720 it's dick wolf baby. But my thing is this bitch 1:04:51.760 --> 1:04:54.440 is rich. She doesn't have a record. Her parents are 1:04:54.480 --> 1:04:56.800 going to get her Cyndi Lauper's husband or Buchanan. 1:04:57.200 --> 1:04:57.959 She's going to get. 1:04:57.840 --> 1:05:00.360 Off on probation at most, Like she's not is she 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:01.439 a day of jail time? 1:05:01.760 --> 1:05:03.520 She can be like he gave me the ring, Like 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:04.560 what does that have to do with that? 1:05:04.720 --> 1:05:07.480 Like, I mean, I guess her testimony proves that she 1:05:07.560 --> 1:05:09.560 knew that it came from a person that was killed. 1:05:09.880 --> 1:05:13.800 But still like, like it's she's not going to see jail. 1:05:13.880 --> 1:05:16.680 This girl like her parents own a hospital or like 1:05:16.960 --> 1:05:19.280 have donated hospitals and wings of colleges. 1:05:19.280 --> 1:05:20.760 That just doesn't happen to those. 1:05:21.120 --> 1:05:23.120 You have to be an actual like murderer to see 1:05:23.160 --> 1:05:25.280 I think even a tiny bit of justice and even 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:30.080 then not really anyway, that's that kind of a crazy 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:32.919 episode that I always remember from its original time. 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:34.080 And I can't wait. 1:05:34.160 --> 1:05:36.320 I know nothing about these real cases that you research, 1:05:36.400 --> 1:05:38.320 so I'm very excited to hear about them. 1:05:38.720 --> 1:05:42.120 Fantastic. Listen to our ads, babies. We'll see you in 1:05:42.120 --> 1:05:58.560 a second. Okay, so there's a baby crime in a 1:05:58.560 --> 1:06:02.160 big crime, so split into two, and this one's kind 1:06:02.160 --> 1:06:05.000 of fun. I would say it's the Elizabeth Page LORI 1:06:05.440 --> 1:06:09.040 cheating scandal, and like I said, it's fun. This is 1:06:09.080 --> 1:06:12.760 a USC scandal before the rowing Aunt Becky Laughlin situation, 1:06:13.520 --> 1:06:17.920 and it involves a Walmart heiress. So that's exciting though, 1:06:18.280 --> 1:06:20.200 But why do all these rich girls need to go 1:06:20.240 --> 1:06:22.960 to USC? Like, I don't understand why it's like the 1:06:23.080 --> 1:06:27.160 place to be. I know it's really were at universities. 1:06:27.160 --> 1:06:28.600 You're the stabler of college. 1:06:28.800 --> 1:06:32.000 So I will say my co yearbook editor went to USC, 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:34.120 but I think she like it is a good school, 1:06:34.120 --> 1:06:36.080 but I think she just wanted to get the fuck 1:06:36.120 --> 1:06:37.320 out of the East. 1:06:37.000 --> 1:06:38.560 Coast, so she just like went out there. 1:06:38.840 --> 1:06:41.680 I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Californians, but I 1:06:41.720 --> 1:06:44.520 feel like UCLA is better, But I don't know, don't 1:06:44.600 --> 1:06:46.440 I don't know. In my mind, UCLA is a more 1:06:46.480 --> 1:06:48.480 competitive school to get into the USC, but I could 1:06:48.560 --> 1:06:52.040 be totally wrong. I never understood why Aunt Becky did 1:06:52.080 --> 1:06:55.640 all that shit because like they're actually I don't know, 1:06:55.680 --> 1:06:57.360 it just doesn't seem like it's that hard to get 1:06:57.360 --> 1:06:57.960 into USC. 1:06:58.320 --> 1:07:00.720 But anyway, maybe I don't think I would be able 1:07:00.760 --> 1:07:02.280 to get in, So no shade. 1:07:02.360 --> 1:07:05.000 If people got in and they're smart, like I would, 1:07:05.000 --> 1:07:06.520 I don't think i'd gotten into USC. 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:10.480 But I just like a Walmart Heiress, I got yeah. 1:07:10.280 --> 1:07:13.040 Like I would see you bribing to get into Yale 1:07:13.120 --> 1:07:15.400 get into Harvard, like I don't know, I don't I 1:07:15.440 --> 1:07:19.160 the bribes were like, it's but maybe USC, honestly, when 1:07:19.200 --> 1:07:20.800 you look at the stats is just as hard to 1:07:20.800 --> 1:07:21.200 get into. 1:07:21.240 --> 1:07:21.600 Who knows. 1:07:21.640 --> 1:07:23.480 Because it's a California school, it could be a lot 1:07:23.480 --> 1:07:25.959 of people. We're a more populous state. Maybe more people 1:07:25.960 --> 1:07:28.680 are applying. Who fucking knows. Don't come for me. 1:07:28.880 --> 1:07:30.960 USC grads Trojans go Trojans. 1:07:31.200 --> 1:07:33.040 Now it's cool, and I like that it's near our 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:35.680 neighborhood and stuff like it's not far from us. 1:07:35.720 --> 1:07:39.800 But I just I was just shocked. You know, all 1:07:39.800 --> 1:07:41.720 my doctors are there. I go to all my doctors 1:07:41.720 --> 1:07:43.040 at USC. Love USC. 1:07:43.320 --> 1:07:46.640 So yeah, this Walmart, you know, Heiress Elizabeth page Lory 1:07:47.200 --> 1:07:49.040 she returned she had to return her degree. 1:07:49.720 --> 1:07:50.000 Wow. 1:07:50.600 --> 1:07:52.600 Yeah, After it came out that she paid a fellow 1:07:52.600 --> 1:07:56.680 college student twenty thousand dollars to do her homework so amazing. 1:07:56.680 --> 1:07:57.440 Wow. 1:07:58.400 --> 1:08:01.840 Elena Martinez was her freshman year roommate and told twenty 1:08:01.920 --> 1:08:04.760 twenty that she had written term papers and done assignments 1:08:04.800 --> 1:08:07.880 for the heiress for three and a half years. Martinez 1:08:07.920 --> 1:08:10.800 said that she joined the ROTC to earn money for college, 1:08:11.000 --> 1:08:13.080 but still had to drop out because she couldn't afford 1:08:13.120 --> 1:08:16.040 tuition at USC. But then she was able to learn 1:08:16.080 --> 1:08:19.120 a lot by doing this rich girl's homework. So even 1:08:19.160 --> 1:08:22.000 though she wasn't enrolled in university anymore, she got to 1:08:22.160 --> 1:08:23.280 learn by. 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:25.519 Doing like this rich kid's work. 1:08:25.960 --> 1:08:26.600 Wow. 1:08:27.160 --> 1:08:29.960 But in rich girl news, there was a stadium named 1:08:30.000 --> 1:08:34.360 after her at the University of Missouri that her billionaire 1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:38.559 parents named after her after donating twenty five million dollars 1:08:38.600 --> 1:08:44.400 towards the construction of this stadium in Missouri. But also, 1:08:44.680 --> 1:08:50.160 like Page sports arena sounds insane, like I don't know, yeah, I. 1:08:50.120 --> 1:08:52.519 Don't know anybody Page. It's like named after a girl 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:53.320 from Summerhouse. 1:08:53.960 --> 1:08:57.960 Yeah, And the New York Post called Elizabeth Page Lorie 1:08:58.000 --> 1:09:03.360 a discount store dunce and a disgraced dumbbell. So that's 1:09:03.400 --> 1:09:05.719 all that's quick, Like I told you a baby, little 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:07.080 a little bit, you know, that like. 1:09:07.080 --> 1:09:10.960 The Walmart family too, Like somebody one of them killed 1:09:10.960 --> 1:09:13.280 someone in a car accident and they got out of it, 1:09:13.439 --> 1:09:14.960 like the Walmart family. 1:09:15.640 --> 1:09:18.320 Listen, I have a book that as Walmart Ruined America. 1:09:18.400 --> 1:09:20.160 I did read it in my early twenties, and it 1:09:20.200 --> 1:09:22.679 did you know, I was annoying, I think when after 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:26.719 I read it, I had a lot of opinions. But yeah, 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:30.120 like Walmart employees are the number one users of like 1:09:30.760 --> 1:09:33.639 social services from the government and well there and food 1:09:33.640 --> 1:09:36.599 stamps and all this stuff because they refused to pay people, 1:09:36.680 --> 1:09:38.639 refused to give insurance like. 1:09:38.600 --> 1:09:39.400 A living wage. 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:42.880 They're like a brick and mortar Amazon, like they make 1:09:42.960 --> 1:09:45.920 companies sell at the cheapest ray and then put all 1:09:45.960 --> 1:09:49.560 these other businesses out of business, you know, like, yeah, 1:09:49.600 --> 1:09:51.280 Walmart's the original Amazon. 1:09:52.280 --> 1:09:52.639 Yeah. 1:09:52.880 --> 1:09:54.799 So, but I think, oh no, there's one good Disney 1:09:54.880 --> 1:09:56.760 rich girl. I feel like one of the heiresses of 1:09:56.800 --> 1:10:00.160 Disney is like money is evil and I hate all 1:10:00.240 --> 1:10:01.240 my siblings. 1:10:01.360 --> 1:10:04.360 So yeah, okay. I also want to say one quick 1:10:04.400 --> 1:10:07.240 thing is like, now, now you're on us. I knew 1:10:07.240 --> 1:10:08.360 this was gonna turn you knew. 1:10:08.200 --> 1:10:10.479 I was doing this right, Okay, I knew you would 1:10:10.520 --> 1:10:11.559 be tortured yes. 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:12.240 Yeah, I'm tortured. 1:10:12.520 --> 1:10:15.280 I'm on US News and World Report, which I think 1:10:15.400 --> 1:10:17.160 is a little bit bullshit because I think a lot 1:10:17.200 --> 1:10:21.280 of these colleges pay for their rankings on this but actually, 1:10:21.920 --> 1:10:25.839 like USC is number twenty five, and it's right under Michigan, 1:10:25.880 --> 1:10:28.759 which I consider to be an amazing school. And also 1:10:29.000 --> 1:10:31.479 but then it's also under NYU, which I think of 1:10:31.560 --> 1:10:36.120 NYU as a great school, but not necessarily not the 1:10:36.160 --> 1:10:38.519 smartest kids from my school did not go to n YU. 1:10:38.800 --> 1:10:40.559 Like it was kids that wanted to do arts and 1:10:40.600 --> 1:10:42.760 stuff like that's that's like what it's for. But like 1:10:43.080 --> 1:10:47.200 I'm surprised that it goes Georgetown, NYU, Michigan, USC. That's 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:48.880 not what it was like when I was going to school. 1:10:48.880 --> 1:10:51.799 But this shit changes all the time. Like USC's over UVA, 1:10:51.960 --> 1:10:54.679 and my mind, UVA is like such a good school, 1:10:54.680 --> 1:10:56.920 and on this list, University of Florida is over Chapel 1:10:57.000 --> 1:10:59.080 Hill in North Carolina, which I think of is also 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:02.680 an amazing school. So and Toughs and Wake Forest and 1:11:02.720 --> 1:11:04.960 all these schools. So I don't know, what do I know? 1:11:05.040 --> 1:11:08.800 I'm judging ALA's friends, I think, who actually listens to 1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:09.160 the pod? 1:11:09.200 --> 1:11:11.360 What's up? Girls. She's going to Wake Forest. That's where 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:14.960 my brother David went. Oh my god, wow. Yeah. Yeah. 1:11:15.040 --> 1:11:17.960 David really love Awake. He really loved it's beautiful down there. 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:20.879 I went to the graduation and I saw Biden speak. 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:24.760 Actually Biden spoke at two of my brother's graduations Georgetown 1:11:24.840 --> 1:11:29.760 as an outsider, like seems very fancy, it is, you know. 1:11:30.120 --> 1:11:32.680 I wanted to go to Georgetown and I got I 1:11:32.720 --> 1:11:35.640 applied because my other friend Kara got in and was like, 1:11:36.000 --> 1:11:36.400 just apply. 1:11:36.439 --> 1:11:37.559 It would be so fun to go together. 1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:38.720 And I was like, I'm never going to get in, 1:11:38.720 --> 1:11:40.360 and then I didn't, but I applied and I went 1:11:40.360 --> 1:11:42.320 there on the tour and they go, raise your hand 1:11:42.320 --> 1:11:44.280 if you're from the Northeast, and like almost all of 1:11:44.360 --> 1:11:46.000 us raised our hands and they were like, that's going 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:47.120 to be really bad for you guys. 1:11:47.120 --> 1:11:48.519 That's what they said to us, Like before we went 1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:49.160 out on the tour. 1:11:49.680 --> 1:11:52.200 They were just like most of you, like all apply 1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:53.960 from the Northeast and like we're just not going to 1:11:54.000 --> 1:11:56.559 take like as many kids from that area because we 1:11:56.600 --> 1:12:00.080 want diversity, which makes sense, but it's it's hard to 1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:01.040 get into Georgetown. 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:06.000 And I just said I would have to be diverse anymore. Oh, 1:12:06.000 --> 1:12:06.800 but I was right. 1:12:06.840 --> 1:12:10.519 Though, Berkeley and UCLA are above USC on this list, 1:12:10.600 --> 1:12:13.040 they're nineteen and twenty or no, they're tied for twenty. 1:12:13.400 --> 1:12:17.679 Okay, so this is pretty sad. The Jennifer Cave case. 1:12:18.439 --> 1:12:20.960 So Jennifer was the twenty one year old who moved 1:12:20.960 --> 1:12:24.600 from Corpus Christie to Austin, Texas, and she, you know, 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:27.080 struggled with drugs and really battled with her addiction. 1:12:27.840 --> 1:12:29.320 So that is true. 1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:31.840 And then Bill Bishop, the prosecutor in this case, said, 1:12:31.920 --> 1:12:34.280 I've never heard anyone say anything but that she was 1:12:34.320 --> 1:12:37.240 one of the nicest people they knew. So she was 1:12:37.360 --> 1:12:41.680 nice and she loved to party. Colton Patoniac, he was 1:12:41.760 --> 1:12:44.400 twenty two at the time and was her friend and 1:12:44.479 --> 1:12:49.479 drug dealer. And then Laura Hall was Colton's girlfriend. Colton 1:12:49.520 --> 1:12:52.479 Petoniac and Lauren Hall were dating and they met at 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:55.360 a party in spring of two thousand and five, and 1:12:55.439 --> 1:12:58.240 Hall said that she loved Colton and was very attracted 1:12:58.240 --> 1:13:00.599 to him from the start and thought he was sexy 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:04.120 and hot. But then according to CBS News, they she 1:13:04.240 --> 1:13:06.280 said it was great. I felt like I was on 1:13:06.360 --> 1:13:08.759 top of the world when I was with Colton. Until 1:13:08.800 --> 1:13:11.080 you know Colton, you can't see on the surface that 1:13:11.120 --> 1:13:15.320 there's something wrong underneath. But then other people say it 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:17.960 did appear from the outside that the relationship was very 1:13:18.000 --> 1:13:20.800 one sided and that she was obsessed with him and 1:13:20.840 --> 1:13:23.679 he did not return the vibe at all, But nobody 1:13:23.720 --> 1:13:26.040 can be certain of this. But this is just like 1:13:26.080 --> 1:13:29.760 from the findings from the trial prep. So those who 1:13:29.840 --> 1:13:32.920 knew Jennifer were clear that her and Colton had never dated, 1:13:33.479 --> 1:13:36.160 never been on a date, and nobody reported that they 1:13:36.240 --> 1:13:39.479 ever tried passing as a couple. Drugs was like their 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:40.519 only connection. 1:13:41.400 --> 1:13:44.160 On the night of August sixteenth, two thousand and five, 1:13:44.400 --> 1:13:46.680 she was super excited about her new job at an 1:13:46.680 --> 1:13:49.640 Austin law firm. It was it started out as a 1:13:49.680 --> 1:13:52.040 one day filing job, but then the firm liked her 1:13:52.160 --> 1:13:54.120 so much that they offered her a full time position 1:13:54.240 --> 1:13:58.120 starting the next day, so that's super exciting. She spoke 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:00.479 to her mother, roommate and ex boyfrid friend that she 1:14:00.640 --> 1:14:02.759 like she was in her pajamas at eight thirty pm 1:14:03.160 --> 1:14:04.680 and she was going to go to bed because she 1:14:04.720 --> 1:14:07.200 really was like excited to start work the next day. 1:14:07.720 --> 1:14:10.639 But then around nine thirty pm, she spoke to a friend, 1:14:10.720 --> 1:14:13.360 Michael Rodriguez, and told him that she was going to 1:14:13.439 --> 1:14:15.840 go out with her friend Colton, who she said was 1:14:15.880 --> 1:14:18.479 having a hard time and some problems and she wanted 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:20.240 to be there for him, but she also wanted to 1:14:20.240 --> 1:14:22.320 go out and celebrate a little bit, like getting this 1:14:22.400 --> 1:14:26.120 new job. So she went out on Sixth Street in Austin, 1:14:26.200 --> 1:14:27.320 Texas with Colton. 1:14:27.439 --> 1:14:29.200 We've been there together with Kara. 1:14:29.600 --> 1:14:32.639 Yes, I've gotten a tattoo on Sixth Street at two 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:35.360 in the morning, and I would not recommend, not recommend. 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:38.320 Her friend Michael said that he got a call from 1:14:38.400 --> 1:14:41.120 Jennifer at twelveh eight in the morning of August I 1:14:41.880 --> 1:14:45.840 nothing is worse to me than like something am being 1:14:45.880 --> 1:14:48.720 the morning of the other day and not the night 1:14:48.800 --> 1:14:51.679 of that day. Like I know, people have missed flights 1:14:51.720 --> 1:14:52.519 because of that ar. 1:14:52.640 --> 1:14:54.840 Miss Jared was supposed to do the gathering of the 1:14:54.920 --> 1:14:57.360 Juggalos and we fucked up because this show was at midnight, 1:14:57.439 --> 1:14:58.960 and we fucked up the day and the flights and 1:14:59.000 --> 1:14:59.519 he missed it. 1:15:00.439 --> 1:15:01.839 But honestly, kind of a blessing. 1:15:03.000 --> 1:15:08.519 No, the Juggalos, I hear, are you know they supportive family? No, 1:15:08.720 --> 1:15:11.720 they like they're the kids who get bullied. They're known 1:15:11.760 --> 1:15:15.439 as like a real family. Like there's documentaries. There's a 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:18.200 movie called Family with Taylor Shilling actually in it that 1:15:18.280 --> 1:15:22.519 I saw wildly at like a festival years ago. But 1:15:23.800 --> 1:15:27.559 like Colts, the wrestler, Colt Commandad does juggalo shit and 1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:28.559 they like. 1:15:28.600 --> 1:15:30.880 Take care of each other. I'm sure they love cold. 1:15:30.920 --> 1:15:32.880 I just wasn't sure that they were gonna like love 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:35.400 the comic stylings of Jared Logan, and I was nervous 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:37.720 they were gonna like throw Fago cans at him. 1:15:39.479 --> 1:15:42.639 We should do a Fago taste test and tape that 1:15:42.760 --> 1:15:46.360 because I've never had Fago me neither or Jerrito's. 1:15:46.560 --> 1:15:49.760 Maybe that's the content. Let's make some content. Oh my god, Okay, 1:15:49.840 --> 1:15:50.400 let's do it. 1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:53.240 We're getting a YouTube channel, guys, and we're gonna taste 1:15:53.240 --> 1:15:59.200 sodas we've never tasted before. We're gonna take over the internet. Okay. So, 1:15:59.600 --> 1:16:02.920 and we next to Gelko's soda shops. So, oh my god, 1:16:02.920 --> 1:16:05.160 we should see some crazy shit. We could go clearly 1:16:05.200 --> 1:16:08.400 Canadian take it back to the nineties. Yeah, okay, so 1:16:09.040 --> 1:16:12.120 her friend Mike, like I said, okay, So at twelve 1:16:12.120 --> 1:16:15.719 oh eight, midnight. Oh eight in the morning. No, it's nighttime, bitch, 1:16:15.720 --> 1:16:16.599 it's still midnight. 1:16:16.720 --> 1:16:17.480 Yeah. 1:16:17.520 --> 1:16:20.519 But August seventeenth, two thousand and five, and Michael said, 1:16:20.560 --> 1:16:23.000 she did not seem afraid or anxious, and she's like, 1:16:23.000 --> 1:16:25.280 I'll call you back. And then an hour later he 1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:27.559 spoke to her again and she told him that Colton 1:16:27.680 --> 1:16:30.000 was angry and drunk and she yelled at him while 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:34.680 he pissed on a car. So the next afternoon, Jennifer's mother, 1:16:34.800 --> 1:16:37.719 Sharon Cave, got a call from her new employer around 1:16:37.760 --> 1:16:40.400 three PM, who let her know that she never showed 1:16:40.479 --> 1:16:44.200 up to work that morning. Sharon was frantic and started 1:16:44.240 --> 1:16:47.400 making calls immediately and then contacted T Mobile was up 1:16:48.000 --> 1:16:51.360 and getting and so she called T Mobile to get 1:16:51.400 --> 1:16:53.960 the phone activity of her daughter and then started calling 1:16:53.960 --> 1:16:57.400 the people that she last was like speaking to. And 1:16:57.400 --> 1:16:59.559 then when they called Colton, he was cagy as hell. 1:17:00.240 --> 1:17:03.800 And Sharon's fiance Jim Sedgwick, said that at one point 1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:05.759 he said, Hey, dude, I'm eating pizza. 1:17:05.920 --> 1:17:07.880 Don't bother me anymore. Quit calling me. 1:17:08.840 --> 1:17:12.479 And that's according to CBS News, and it's like that's 1:17:12.520 --> 1:17:15.880 her front, Like what that's yeah, so said up and cold. 1:17:15.960 --> 1:17:16.560 Yeah. 1:17:16.840 --> 1:17:20.000 So at one point the mom had Michael on her 1:17:20.040 --> 1:17:23.240 office phone and Colton on another phone, and Michael could 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:27.240 call out Colton's lies. So after he denied knowing anything 1:17:27.320 --> 1:17:31.000 or seeing her, like not seeing her, and Michael was like, 1:17:31.080 --> 1:17:31.800 that's not true. 1:17:31.840 --> 1:17:34.200 I talked to her like she saw Colton last night. 1:17:34.320 --> 1:17:35.599 She just knew something was wrong. 1:17:35.680 --> 1:17:38.800 So she drove from Corpus Christie to Austin and tried 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:41.719 getting into Colton's apartment. And then they also saw Jennifer's 1:17:41.760 --> 1:17:44.479 car nearby, and you know, the mom had a pit 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:46.400 in the set, like she knew something was off, and 1:17:46.439 --> 1:17:47.200 the drive. 1:17:47.040 --> 1:17:48.120 Is you know, kno quick. 1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:51.280 So they tried knocking but there was no answer. So 1:17:51.360 --> 1:17:54.680 then around eight pm they call the police. But the 1:17:54.680 --> 1:17:56.840 police had to go get a search warrant before entering 1:17:56.880 --> 1:18:01.200 the apartment, which is so annoying to me, but I 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:04.519 guess that's good, okay. So and so Jim was like 1:18:04.600 --> 1:18:07.920 fuck that and entered through a window, and he kept 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:10.120 the mom outside because he was scared about what he 1:18:10.200 --> 1:18:12.320 might find. So he entered and he did find the 1:18:12.320 --> 1:18:14.879 body of Jennifer. This is gruesome. 1:18:15.000 --> 1:18:18.360 So Jennifer was found in Pataniac's bathtub. In his apartment 1:18:18.439 --> 1:18:21.880 on August eighteenth, two thousand and five. They called nine 1:18:21.920 --> 1:18:25.439 one one, and then you know, the police like started 1:18:25.600 --> 1:18:27.920 like raced back and then began their search for Cole 1:18:28.000 --> 1:18:31.040 Tin and they had to physically so Jim Sedgwick had 1:18:31.080 --> 1:18:36.280 to physically restrain Sharon from entering the apartment and inside, 1:18:36.560 --> 1:18:40.200 so she was shot dead. The bullet went into her 1:18:40.360 --> 1:18:43.559 arm and then traveled into the chest through the heart 1:18:43.640 --> 1:18:48.400 and it killed her instantly. She was also stabbed numerous times, 1:18:49.280 --> 1:18:51.680 and the most horrific was her hands and head had 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:55.040 been cut off and wearing plastic bags on the bathroom floor. 1:18:56.640 --> 1:19:00.320 So thank god the mom did not enter that apart 1:19:00.360 --> 1:19:03.200 and did not see that. But this definitely put me 1:19:03.240 --> 1:19:08.320 on a spiral of what a horrible way to find people, Like, 1:19:09.080 --> 1:19:12.080 you know, dead is dead, of course, it's like so sad. 1:19:12.120 --> 1:19:13.800 Anyways, it's her child, but like. 1:19:14.560 --> 1:19:19.120 No dismember kidding me is so gruesome and horrible. It's like, 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:24.479 oh yeah, oh my god. Actually I've been catching up 1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:29.519 on Stabler Show Organized Crime, and like at the beginning 1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:32.360 of this of this episode, this woman like is in 1:19:32.400 --> 1:19:34.720 her house and her husband's not home, and she goes downstairs. 1:19:34.720 --> 1:19:36.760 She's carrying a baseball bat and she sees something in 1:19:36.800 --> 1:19:37.720 her dryer. 1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:39.519 Going boo boom boo boom boo boom in. 1:19:39.479 --> 1:19:41.880 Her dryer, and when she opens the dryer it's her 1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:45.920 husband's head that was just in the dryer with the laundry. 1:19:47.160 --> 1:19:49.559 That's the fuck. That reminds me of like. 1:19:51.160 --> 1:19:55.519 Breaking Bad style ye appetition, h yeah yeah, breaking bad shit. Honestly, 1:19:55.560 --> 1:19:57.960 when you said this is gruesome, when you said this 1:19:58.000 --> 1:20:01.200 is gruesome, my mind immediately went to like acid bathtub 1:20:01.320 --> 1:20:03.080 of breaking bad, like I when I think of like 1:20:03.120 --> 1:20:05.479 getting rid of bodies and gross ways, I'm like breaking 1:20:05.520 --> 1:20:06.480 bad immediately. 1:20:06.880 --> 1:20:10.120 Oh, the decapitation reminded me of what's his name, Trey 1:20:10.120 --> 1:20:12.160 Hoe on the Toys Head. 1:20:12.400 --> 1:20:15.559 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to. 1:20:15.560 --> 1:20:18.360 Rewatch that show so bad. But anyways, this is real life. 1:20:18.400 --> 1:20:20.759 It's fucked up. I'm so glad that, like the fiance 1:20:21.000 --> 1:20:24.519 was adamant about the mom not coming in. Yeah yeah, 1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:28.320 and I'm sure he's haunted forever. So later that emmy 1:20:28.400 --> 1:20:30.559 said there was also a shot that had been fired 1:20:30.680 --> 1:20:33.479 through her severed neck and into her brain. 1:20:33.840 --> 1:20:36.960 Oh my god, like they were just fucking around. 1:20:37.880 --> 1:20:40.519 Well, so this motherfucker fled to Mexico with Hall, and 1:20:40.560 --> 1:20:42.800 they spent five days there until they were picked up 1:20:42.800 --> 1:20:45.839 by the US Marshals and returned their asses back to Texas. 1:20:46.560 --> 1:20:48.479 So this is the evidence that started to come in. 1:20:48.560 --> 1:20:52.400 So Petoniac cell phone records showed that he contacted his 1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:56.240 girlfriend Hall right after three thirty am on August seventeenth, 1:20:56.280 --> 1:20:59.000 and then there's another phone call at six am. So 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:02.719 something happened to between one thirty am and three thirty am. 1:21:03.280 --> 1:21:06.120 That afternoon, he went to a hardware store and purchased 1:21:06.160 --> 1:21:12.040 a hacksaw, garbage bags, cleaning products, and rubber gloves. While 1:21:12.040 --> 1:21:14.680 he was doing that, Lauren drove her green Cadillac to 1:21:14.720 --> 1:21:16.800 a gas station, where she filled up the tank and 1:21:16.960 --> 1:21:20.000 washed the car. He also found time to stop at 1:21:20.120 --> 1:21:23.200 Burger King, according to receipts found. So this is a 1:21:23.240 --> 1:21:25.840 stone cold killer, Like you're just eating a whopper Like 1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:31.040 that's so crazy, yeah, or one of their Long John sandwiches. 1:21:31.400 --> 1:21:36.200 So they took Hall's car to Mexico sixteen hours after 1:21:36.240 --> 1:21:36.839 the murder. 1:21:36.920 --> 1:21:40.640 So they just gave up on the trying to hacker up. 1:21:40.680 --> 1:21:42.880 They were just like, uh, oh, they know they're calling us. 1:21:43.000 --> 1:21:43.360 Let's go. 1:21:44.680 --> 1:21:48.120 Yeah, I'm gonna get they like, that's what's weird, is 1:21:48.200 --> 1:21:52.679 like they didn't do anything they started. You're like, it's 1:21:52.880 --> 1:21:55.439 they didn't And you guys think you're gonna like avoid 1:21:55.520 --> 1:22:00.280 capture in Mexico like adorable, like you're two. 1:22:00.880 --> 1:22:03.120 He went to the store and about a hack saw 1:22:03.360 --> 1:22:05.240 like ugh. 1:22:05.600 --> 1:22:08.280 But the question as to why this happened has never 1:22:08.320 --> 1:22:12.240 been answered because Patanyak testified in court that he doesn't 1:22:12.280 --> 1:22:14.880 remember killing her because of the drugs and alcohol, but 1:22:15.040 --> 1:22:18.640 it must have been him, but it's so convenient. He 1:22:18.680 --> 1:22:22.160 does not remember anything except the parts where he blames 1:22:22.200 --> 1:22:25.439 Hall for everything, and that's when the memory is clear. 1:22:25.840 --> 1:22:28.040 So his whole thing is like, fuck, I was fucked up. 1:22:28.080 --> 1:22:30.280 I don't remember anything, but I do remember that she 1:22:30.520 --> 1:22:32.720 was in charge of the dismemberment in this and that. 1:22:32.800 --> 1:22:33.439 Was our idea. 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:37.320 So very convenient. He remembers nothing but to blame someone 1:22:37.360 --> 1:22:40.880 else for other stuff. Laura also says that Colton told 1:22:40.920 --> 1:22:43.320 her that he had been drinking and didn't remember what happened, 1:22:43.320 --> 1:22:44.800 so in one of those phone calls, he was like, 1:22:44.800 --> 1:22:48.120 I have no idea like what happened, which that reminds 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:50.759 me of that episode with Scott whatever. 1:22:51.320 --> 1:22:54.519 He's not his name Hammered. Yeah, so it reminds me 1:22:54.560 --> 1:22:57.559 of Hammered where he's Scott fully clue, Scott Fholey, thank 1:22:57.600 --> 1:22:58.160 you so much. 1:22:58.680 --> 1:23:00.639 He was at the tail end of a day's long 1:23:00.680 --> 1:23:03.000 bender when he met up with Jennifer Cave and he 1:23:03.040 --> 1:23:06.280 remembers that night of the sixteenth passing out, but then 1:23:06.280 --> 1:23:08.600 he remembers waking up early on the seventeenth and he 1:23:08.680 --> 1:23:10.640 found her body in the bathtub. 1:23:11.520 --> 1:23:12.479 He called a Hall in a. 1:23:12.439 --> 1:23:15.120 Panic, who came up with a great plan for dismembering 1:23:15.200 --> 1:23:17.920 the body, which she of course denies and said it 1:23:17.960 --> 1:23:19.800 was his idea and that she made the list of 1:23:19.840 --> 1:23:22.439 items they needed, and he said that he paid for 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:24.479 the items, but he did not cut up the body, 1:23:24.520 --> 1:23:26.759 and said that it was Hall's idea to go to Mexico. 1:23:27.439 --> 1:23:29.240 So they're just turning on each other and I don't 1:23:29.240 --> 1:23:32.600 think we'll actually ever know, like, yeah, what happened, but 1:23:32.640 --> 1:23:35.639 they both suck. So while they're on the run, which 1:23:35.720 --> 1:23:39.400 is an understatement. Yeah, So while they're on the run, 1:23:39.560 --> 1:23:42.479 Hall's parents, Lauren and Carol, are trying to reach their 1:23:42.560 --> 1:23:45.120 daughter and their thought is like, oh my god, this 1:23:45.200 --> 1:23:47.840 guy has my daughter and he apparently like killed and 1:23:47.920 --> 1:23:50.080 mutilated this other person and he has our daughter. 1:23:50.600 --> 1:23:52.000 So yeah, the parents of. 1:23:52.040 --> 1:23:55.160 Lauren Hall don't realize that their daughter is involved. They 1:23:55.280 --> 1:23:57.320 just are like, oh, he's with there with a killler. 1:23:57.400 --> 1:23:58.719 We have to find our daughter. 1:23:59.600 --> 1:24:01.880 They did a hold of her finally and she left 1:24:01.880 --> 1:24:03.920 that she let them know she was in Mexico with 1:24:03.960 --> 1:24:06.679 Colton and they feared that he was going to kill her. 1:24:07.200 --> 1:24:10.479 Haul maintained her innocence and said that she was at 1:24:10.479 --> 1:24:12.519 the home but did not help and did not call 1:24:12.560 --> 1:24:15.839 the cops because she was scared. She maintains the Olivia 1:24:15.920 --> 1:24:18.280 Benson of like, I did whatever I needed to do 1:24:18.360 --> 1:24:20.519 to stay alive, which included driving him. 1:24:21.040 --> 1:24:22.400 She said she was shocked. 1:24:22.760 --> 1:24:25.080 He just let her go and then she went home, 1:24:25.520 --> 1:24:28.960 but like she like was still in denial. She said 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:32.519 she came over to the house without knowing anything was wrong. 1:24:33.160 --> 1:24:36.360 She said she arrived before dawn on August seventeenth, two 1:24:36.439 --> 1:24:39.320 thousand and five. He'd called her saying he needed to talk. 1:24:40.080 --> 1:24:43.280 She continued to CBS News that in quotes, he answered 1:24:43.320 --> 1:24:46.200 the door really kind of paranoid and fearful, and I'm 1:24:46.240 --> 1:24:48.880 kind of like sitting up Colton, what's the deal, What's 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:51.080 going on? I'm kind of starting to freak out a 1:24:51.120 --> 1:24:53.880 little bit, and he says, come here, come here, and 1:24:53.920 --> 1:24:56.720 she says that then he led her into the bathroom 1:24:56.720 --> 1:24:59.240 and there was a dead woman curled up in the bathtub. 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:03.919 She then says that she asked if that's a mannequin, 1:25:04.040 --> 1:25:05.479 and it's like, are you a fucking idiot? 1:25:06.120 --> 1:25:07.439 What mannequin? Curls up? 1:25:07.479 --> 1:25:11.519 Curls dumb, kant, I don't buy this, like, I just 1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:13.000 I don't know. 1:25:13.120 --> 1:25:13.719 This is sad. 1:25:14.120 --> 1:25:17.439 He's like, no a man, and said that she came 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:20.439 over in the morning and cut up the body. So 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:24.160 her attorney, Joe James Sawyer, of course, was like, she 1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:27.879 did not dismember the body, and that her only crime 1:25:28.080 --> 1:25:31.439 is that she loves Pataniak too much and that she 1:25:31.600 --> 1:25:34.599 was just trying to protect herself from any harm from Colton. 1:25:35.080 --> 1:25:39.120 She says she regrets not testifying though, so now you 1:25:39.160 --> 1:25:41.439 guys can decipher how you feel about this. So Hall's 1:25:41.520 --> 1:25:45.880 DNA was found on three items. One of Cave's sandals 1:25:45.880 --> 1:25:49.519 found near the bathtub, a blue shop towel found on 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:53.040 the coffee table, and the pistol used. 1:25:52.800 --> 1:25:53.599 To shoot Cave. 1:25:54.439 --> 1:25:59.559 Oh Pataniac's DNA without Laura's was found on the buck knife, 1:26:00.240 --> 1:26:03.519 a machete which was found in the apartment's dishwasher, which 1:26:03.600 --> 1:26:07.280 is also very SVU to me, and the hack saw 1:26:07.439 --> 1:26:10.200 that was left resting on top of Cave's body. 1:26:10.640 --> 1:26:12.040 But I think it's. 1:26:11.960 --> 1:26:16.439 Damning that her DNA was found on the pistol. Yeah, 1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:19.559 I don't know unless she picked up the gun to 1:26:19.600 --> 1:26:22.480 go clean it and then fucking forgot because. 1:26:22.240 --> 1:26:23.400 These people don't finish. 1:26:23.200 --> 1:26:25.720 Anything they start, like, I don't know. 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:29.400 He also like they this was some evidence they used. 1:26:29.400 --> 1:26:32.559 He like had wanna be gangster vibes, like he had 1:26:32.600 --> 1:26:36.360 scarface posters, gangster movies, and he had tons of movies 1:26:36.360 --> 1:26:39.360 that involved dismemberment, one of which the a machete was 1:26:39.479 --> 1:26:42.560 used for dismemberment, and on his coffee table. It was 1:26:42.600 --> 1:26:47.240 a Sopranos DVD where Tony Soprano dismembers a murder victim 1:26:47.240 --> 1:26:50.160 in a bathtub, then removes his head and sticks it 1:26:50.200 --> 1:26:52.400 in a bowling back bowling ball back? 1:26:53.360 --> 1:26:53.759 Damn? 1:26:54.479 --> 1:26:57.200 So was he watching it while they were wasted? Got 1:26:57.200 --> 1:27:00.240 the idea? Did he watch it in the day was like, 1:27:00.240 --> 1:27:02.800 I'm gonna kill this girl? Did he watch it after 1:27:03.200 --> 1:27:05.280 you pop it in figure out how to do it. 1:27:05.479 --> 1:27:08.840 But it is it could be circumstantial, but that to 1:27:08.880 --> 1:27:12.679 me is damning. That Like, yeah, the dismemberment Sopranos episode 1:27:12.800 --> 1:27:14.040 is in the DVD player. 1:27:14.200 --> 1:27:15.400 Yeah. 1:27:15.640 --> 1:27:18.960 His screen names were also see Money and I Love 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:21.080 Money and Hoes. I'm just trying to give you a 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:23.040 full picture of this, yeah, of who this guy is. 1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:23.519 Yeah. 1:27:23.600 --> 1:27:26.479 Yeah, I feel like all small time drug dealers are 1:27:26.520 --> 1:27:29.400 all like into scarface and this gangster shit too, like 1:27:29.439 --> 1:27:31.599 they think that they're like living some kind of life. 1:27:32.080 --> 1:27:32.439 Yeah. 1:27:32.479 --> 1:27:35.400 So Colton's car was parked in its regular spot with 1:27:35.439 --> 1:27:40.320 a gun inside. Prosecutors from Travis County where Bill Bishop 1:27:40.360 --> 1:27:43.200 and Stephanie McFarlane, and they had a hard time with 1:27:43.360 --> 1:27:47.080 not straightforward, Like it's not a straightforward case. They have 1:27:47.160 --> 1:27:50.559 physical evidence, but they're just like all really confused by 1:27:50.600 --> 1:27:51.120 the motive. 1:27:51.920 --> 1:27:55.040 You're like, why did they do this? No one knows. 1:27:55.400 --> 1:27:57.479 No one could have just been like she said something 1:27:57.520 --> 1:27:59.280 he didn't fucking like and he just shot her because 1:27:59.280 --> 1:28:02.880 he was so fucked up, Like because she said she 1:28:03.000 --> 1:28:04.720 was yelling at him when he was pissing on a car. 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:06.479 Maybe she was like, you need to get your life together, 1:28:06.520 --> 1:28:08.680 and he was like shut up, mom, and like, you know, 1:28:09.040 --> 1:28:11.000 who knows, maybe something triggered him and he just like 1:28:11.080 --> 1:28:11.679 shot her. 1:28:11.840 --> 1:28:17.120 But they built intent by piecing together conversations that Hall 1:28:17.280 --> 1:28:20.080 was having in the months after the murder. So like 1:28:20.200 --> 1:28:23.080 Hall stood by his side from September two thousand and 1:28:23.160 --> 1:28:26.719 five when she was arrested until the trial in January 1:28:26.800 --> 1:28:28.519 two thousand and seven, and then at the trial she 1:28:28.560 --> 1:28:32.679 stopped supporting him. And so they chatted with her cellmate 1:28:32.720 --> 1:28:36.040 because she was being held during the in between of 1:28:36.120 --> 1:28:38.040 the trials and it was like it did count for 1:28:38.080 --> 1:28:42.240 her time served and stuff. But Henrietta Logenbach said that 1:28:42.360 --> 1:28:46.400 this is the cellmate, this is also very spo So 1:28:46.760 --> 1:28:49.400 the cellmate said that she talked about the mutilation plan 1:28:49.479 --> 1:28:51.360 and that she came up with it but they had 1:28:51.360 --> 1:28:55.599 to abandon it, and that she's also like said, what's 1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:59.320 the big fuss? Cave is a nobody and a nothing 1:28:59.400 --> 1:29:06.800 who cares yes ough, So that's telling again, that's my 1:29:06.840 --> 1:29:10.240 word of the episode. And then I guess she also 1:29:10.280 --> 1:29:11.920 told the cellmate one day, I'm going to tell my 1:29:11.960 --> 1:29:16.280 grandkids about this and how I dismembered the body. Logenbach 1:29:16.400 --> 1:29:20.000 was in jail for fraud, so her credibility was in question. 1:29:20.800 --> 1:29:24.040 There was also information that came from Norah Sullivan, who's 1:29:24.040 --> 1:29:28.080 Colton's neighbor. She testified that Hall had told her that 1:29:28.160 --> 1:29:31.640 after a Pataniac shot Cave, he just chilled in the 1:29:31.720 --> 1:29:35.760 living room drinking beer and watching TV instead of using 1:29:35.800 --> 1:29:38.680 the tools he bought, and she was really annoyed by 1:29:38.720 --> 1:29:41.719 his laziness and was trying to motivate him to finish 1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:42.280 the job. 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:45.160 Oh my god, So that's what's wild. 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:47.040 They did all this fucked up shit to the body 1:29:47.160 --> 1:29:49.320 like you mentioned, Kara, but then made no effort to 1:29:49.400 --> 1:29:50.839 hide the body or get. 1:29:50.680 --> 1:29:52.560 Rid of the body. Ooh. 1:29:52.760 --> 1:29:56.360 Their jury deliberated for two days. Pataniac was convicted in 1:29:56.400 --> 1:29:58.639 two thousand and seven of the murder and was sentenced 1:29:58.720 --> 1:30:01.559 to fifty five years in pri He tried to appeal 1:30:01.560 --> 1:30:05.360 in twenty fifteen and it was denied. Stay in jail forever, 1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:08.719 you dumb bitch. So Laura was not arrested in the beginning, 1:30:09.120 --> 1:30:11.720 but then the police when they just questioned her, she 1:30:11.800 --> 1:30:14.720 was so not cooperative that that was what was like 1:30:14.760 --> 1:30:18.479 fucked up. So the police say that she was like, oh, 1:30:18.520 --> 1:30:20.479 I just thought we were going on vacation and going 1:30:20.520 --> 1:30:23.120 to Mexico, like, I had no idea about anything. 1:30:23.479 --> 1:30:26.000 Colton's a great guy and he didn't do it. 1:30:26.720 --> 1:30:31.840 She also admitted to lying about that eventually, but that's again, yeah, 1:30:33.120 --> 1:30:36.320 why would you You thought you were going to Mexico. 1:30:36.360 --> 1:30:38.040 But then later we're like, oh, no, he did call me, 1:30:38.080 --> 1:30:39.639 and I knew when I saw the body, like what's 1:30:39.680 --> 1:30:41.360 going on? And then the neighbor was like, you were 1:30:41.400 --> 1:30:43.560 bitching about him? But then she's like, oh, I just 1:30:43.600 --> 1:30:46.320 thought we were going to Mexico for fun. She also 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:50.160 said that he let her go and she had every 1:30:50.240 --> 1:30:52.720 chance to tell the cops, a friend, a mom like 1:30:52.760 --> 1:30:56.200 her ma, anybody, but instead she just ran errands before 1:30:56.240 --> 1:30:59.360 they went to Mexico. Oh so I guess he was like, Okay, 1:30:59.360 --> 1:31:00.519 get out of here for a bit. 1:31:00.680 --> 1:31:01.519 I'll see you later. 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:04.040 And so it's like, if you did feel bad about anything, 1:31:04.439 --> 1:31:08.559 you could have told so many people. But baby, I 1:31:08.680 --> 1:31:11.280 just don't believe that he but he is crazy. I 1:31:11.280 --> 1:31:14.120 don't know, yeah, because I don't want to blame someone. 1:31:14.280 --> 1:31:14.519 You know. 1:31:15.200 --> 1:31:18.800 It's the thing we learned from the Colleen standcase, like 1:31:18.840 --> 1:31:23.439 we can't expect people to abnormal and abnormal circumstances, but shady. 1:31:24.000 --> 1:31:28.200 She also posts Mexico, got a fucking tattoo of his 1:31:28.360 --> 1:31:31.320 name on her leg because she just loved him so 1:31:31.479 --> 1:31:32.839 much and thought he was innocent. 1:31:33.600 --> 1:31:35.680 But weren't you there? I don't know. 1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:38.519 Laura Hall was convicted for her role in the killing 1:31:38.520 --> 1:31:41.240 and dismemberment of Jennifer in two thousand and seven. The 1:31:41.439 --> 1:31:44.800 charges were for hindering apprehension and tampering with evidence and 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:47.479 helping Pataniac in a cover up and then driving to Mexico. 1:31:48.080 --> 1:31:51.759 Hall was released from prison on Thursday, March fifteenth, twenty eighteen, 1:31:51.800 --> 1:31:54.640 at ten thirty am, at thirty four years old. 1:31:54.840 --> 1:31:56.920 And I bet she writes to that guy in fucking 1:31:56.920 --> 1:32:01.400 prison every day. I mean, and I just wish, like 1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:04.280 I'm so all about the why. I'm like, why, what 1:32:04.320 --> 1:32:07.680 the fuck happened? Like he didn't say, like you know, 1:32:07.960 --> 1:32:10.559 like he I don't know, he didn't say at all 1:32:10.640 --> 1:32:12.800 why he fucking did that. I mean, I guess people 1:32:12.880 --> 1:32:16.840 just do crazy things when they're fucked up. But let's 1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:19.280 move to our guests, because we have an awesome guest today, 1:32:19.520 --> 1:32:22.080 and thank you for telling us all of the infro 1:32:22.200 --> 1:32:24.600 on those two crimes and that very gruesome one and 1:32:24.640 --> 1:32:36.120 we'll be right back. Okay, guys, time for our guest interview. 1:32:36.280 --> 1:32:38.479 And just want to reiterate what I set up top 1:32:38.520 --> 1:32:41.000 in the intro, which is that this interview was recorded 1:32:41.360 --> 1:32:44.120 prior to the SAG strike, so no one is breaking 1:32:44.200 --> 1:32:46.400 any SAG rules by us putting this out. And I 1:32:46.479 --> 1:32:48.320 just want to let you know there's been a lot 1:32:48.360 --> 1:32:51.679 of tattling on the internet for people, but we are 1:32:51.880 --> 1:32:54.920 all good. We are obviously checking with lawyers and doing 1:32:55.040 --> 1:32:59.120 the right shit. So our guest today is a phenomenal 1:32:59.160 --> 1:33:02.320 actress who you might know from shows like Banshee and 1:33:02.400 --> 1:33:05.879 blind Spot. She was also a regular on Apple TV's 1:33:05.960 --> 1:33:09.799 dystopian sci fi show See But you know her today 1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:15.400 as the quintessential rich college bitch, Gloria Colhane. Please enjoy 1:33:15.439 --> 1:33:18.240 our convo with the very cool Trieste Kelly Dunn. 1:33:18.800 --> 1:33:21.400 Yes, oh my god, we're so happy you could take 1:33:21.439 --> 1:33:22.439 the time to talk about. 1:33:22.560 --> 1:33:27.800 Of course, you're in a classic episode of SVU. I'm 1:33:27.800 --> 1:33:30.240 not trying to be That wasn't even an intentional pun. 1:33:30.479 --> 1:33:32.919 The episode is called class, but it is also classic. 1:33:34.280 --> 1:33:36.599 Well, the most class, I mean what jumps out at 1:33:36.600 --> 1:33:41.640 me immediately is like early two thousand's frosted eyeshadow, lipstick, 1:33:41.800 --> 1:33:43.360 your hairdoo, a pink cardigan. 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:47.679 I mean it is like the dream outfits of a cool, 1:33:47.680 --> 1:33:49.160 mean girl of that time. 1:33:49.520 --> 1:33:55.479 Juicy, I remember Juicy Sweatsea. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, So like. 1:33:55.560 --> 1:33:58.040 This is I think this is just looking at your 1:33:58.040 --> 1:34:01.080 IMDb one of the first roles you got for TV, right, 1:34:01.120 --> 1:34:01.720 So how did it? 1:34:02.240 --> 1:34:03.960 Were you so pumped to get cast? Was this like 1:34:04.000 --> 1:34:06.200 your fiftieth Law and Order audition? Like? How did the 1:34:06.200 --> 1:34:08.639 process go of getting this part? I had? 1:34:09.040 --> 1:34:10.519 I don't even think I'd been in New York for 1:34:10.520 --> 1:34:13.080 an entire year, so it was definitely one of my 1:34:13.080 --> 1:34:15.080 first jobs, maybe not my very first, but it was 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:18.280 like in the top three, and I went in for 1:34:18.360 --> 1:34:18.839 the audition. 1:34:18.920 --> 1:34:21.479 My roommate was also auditioning. Ooh. 1:34:21.800 --> 1:34:24.400 So it was a little uncomfortable a little bit when 1:34:24.400 --> 1:34:26.360 I got it, obviously, and I felt bad too because 1:34:26.400 --> 1:34:28.599 I had I had just done a job, and I 1:34:28.680 --> 1:34:30.559 was like, oh, she really needed this more than me. 1:34:31.479 --> 1:34:33.120 But I think I was just bitch here, so that's 1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:33.760 why I got it. 1:34:35.280 --> 1:34:38.080 Yeah, are you guys still friends? Oh yeah? Oh yeah. 1:34:38.080 --> 1:34:40.040 I was a bride in her wedding, so it wasn't 1:34:40.080 --> 1:34:41.400 she probably forgot all about it. 1:34:41.439 --> 1:34:45.000 So I mean, if you're going to live with another actor, 1:34:45.080 --> 1:34:47.519 that's just I think the reality is, right, you gotta 1:34:47.640 --> 1:34:48.519 you're gonna go against you. 1:34:48.560 --> 1:34:52.320 Oh yeah, I definitely had my share of disappointments for sure, 1:34:52.479 --> 1:34:53.960 I mean constantly. 1:34:54.080 --> 1:34:57.760 So yeah, that this business is, I always say, an 1:34:57.800 --> 1:34:59.960 endless parade of disappointments pretty much. 1:35:00.320 --> 1:35:02.880 Soon. Yeah, kind of wild. 1:35:02.920 --> 1:35:06.400 It's your first ever real like TV acting job, because 1:35:06.479 --> 1:35:10.280 like you're really holding your own with like Maloney and 1:35:10.479 --> 1:35:13.120 Iced Tea and like you're handing it back to them 1:35:13.160 --> 1:35:14.080 like the banter is. 1:35:14.080 --> 1:35:18.320 So oh thanks, Well that's nice back when I had confidence. 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:22.240 Before the industry broke you. Yeah, exactly. 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:25.320 No, I remember Iced Tea was super nice. He was 1:35:25.439 --> 1:35:30.000 really friendly. Everybody was really friendly, but he especially, you know, 1:35:30.040 --> 1:35:30.560 I think I was. 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:31.880 I'm sure I was nervous. 1:35:32.160 --> 1:35:34.960 I just specifically remember him having a conversation where he's like, 1:35:35.120 --> 1:35:36.479 you know, we kind of do the same thing every 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:39.200 day and the fun part for us is to get 1:35:39.240 --> 1:35:40.960 you got to to see what you guys are going 1:35:41.040 --> 1:35:43.519 to do, which and I didn't realize at the time, 1:35:43.640 --> 1:35:46.360 like I just didn't know enough about TV. But yeah, 1:35:46.400 --> 1:35:48.120 it's like they kind of do do the same thing. 1:35:48.200 --> 1:35:50.280 The guest spots are really where all like the meat 1:35:50.320 --> 1:35:53.080 of the show is totally Now that I've been on 1:35:53.120 --> 1:35:54.960 those kind of procedurals, it does get a little bit 1:35:56.040 --> 1:35:58.320 when you're the when you're like the cop roll, like 1:35:58.360 --> 1:36:00.719 you're just interrogating people all the time. 1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:05.080 Right, do you remember any other fun stories? 1:36:05.320 --> 1:36:08.040 Oh my god, so Diane, Yes, Diane Neil. Can I 1:36:08.080 --> 1:36:09.360 tell you a story about dian Neil? 1:36:09.760 --> 1:36:12.400 Yeah, we love Diane. She's been on the podcast. 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:16.880 Okay, so this might have been like, I don't know, 1:36:16.920 --> 1:36:19.400 one in the morning when we were shooting a scene 1:36:19.760 --> 1:36:22.719 with her and Chris Maloney in like an interrogation room, 1:36:22.920 --> 1:36:27.280 and vaguely this is like this is a long time ago, 1:36:27.320 --> 1:36:29.519 like twenty years ago. So I'm this is it's like 1:36:29.560 --> 1:36:33.360 pieces in my memory. But Chris Maloney there was a 1:36:33.400 --> 1:36:35.760 line I need to go see the scene. There was 1:36:35.800 --> 1:36:38.400 a line in the scene, and he kept like forgetting 1:36:38.439 --> 1:36:41.120 it and he would say it really funny, but he 1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:43.519 was like keeping it together because he wanted to leave. 1:36:43.600 --> 1:36:45.400 He wanted to like he'd been shooting all day and 1:36:45.439 --> 1:36:47.640 he's doing this, you know, ten months a year, and 1:36:47.680 --> 1:36:50.760 he's exhausted, and but the way he was saying this 1:36:50.880 --> 1:36:53.080 line like off camera. 1:36:53.200 --> 1:36:54.240 He wasn't even on camera. 1:36:54.320 --> 1:36:56.280 It was like off camera like me and dian Neil 1:36:56.280 --> 1:36:58.519 would just start laughing to the point where we couldn't 1:36:58.520 --> 1:36:59.080 stop laughing. 1:36:59.080 --> 1:37:00.880 And it's one of them like slap. 1:37:00.600 --> 1:37:04.400 Happy and so I would see her face seat like 1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:06.800 he would do he would make the little mistake and 1:37:06.840 --> 1:37:08.920 you'd see him like try to like get the word. 1:37:08.720 --> 1:37:12.320 Right, and then Dianielle would go and you would just 1:37:12.320 --> 1:37:13.000 see her crack. 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:15.320 And then I was just like I could not keep 1:37:15.360 --> 1:37:18.559 it together and it was so hard to get through 1:37:18.600 --> 1:37:20.640 the scene because and Chris was, I'm sure, just like 1:37:20.680 --> 1:37:22.880 so pissed off, which I would be too if I 1:37:22.920 --> 1:37:25.760 was in his shoes at the time. I'm just young, 1:37:25.840 --> 1:37:27.880 so I don't I don't get like what that team 1:37:28.439 --> 1:37:31.479 schedule is like, but it is such a crazy schedule. 1:37:31.479 --> 1:37:33.040 And then he's got like kids at home and she 1:37:33.080 --> 1:37:35.160 just wants to leave, you know, it's like Friday night 1:37:35.240 --> 1:37:38.040 or something, and me and Diane just can't stop laughing. 1:37:38.040 --> 1:37:39.439 And I remember she looked at me and she goes 1:37:40.400 --> 1:37:42.360 like somebody was like, Diane, you need to stop laughing. 1:37:42.400 --> 1:37:45.320 You know, got like kind of scolded her and she goes, see, 1:37:45.320 --> 1:37:47.040 I just I just think about getting fired. And then 1:37:47.120 --> 1:37:51.880 and then I stopped laughing, and then things got kind 1:37:51.880 --> 1:37:54.080 of serious. It was like, oh yeah, don't laugh, but 1:37:54.120 --> 1:37:55.840 it was you know, when you're trying not to. It 1:37:55.920 --> 1:37:58.720 wasn't like just a thing, It's like a psychological thing. 1:37:58.760 --> 1:38:01.320 You we just couldn't control it at that point. We 1:38:01.320 --> 1:38:01.920 were slapped at that. 1:38:02.000 --> 1:38:04.519 And we know that Diane is a snort laugher as well. 1:38:04.880 --> 1:38:07.679 That kind of I feel like elevates things when you're 1:38:07.720 --> 1:38:09.760 like people are now snorting. 1:38:09.280 --> 1:38:11.920 And yeah, it was, Oh my god, it was so funny. 1:38:11.960 --> 1:38:14.479 It was just like there's a few things I remember 1:38:14.520 --> 1:38:16.639 and that definitely stands out as being just like one 1:38:16.680 --> 1:38:18.000 of the highlights. 1:38:19.400 --> 1:38:22.559 Well that scene too, Maloney is so in your face. 1:38:22.600 --> 1:38:25.439 I mean he gets close to purps, but like he 1:38:25.560 --> 1:38:26.599 is in your face. 1:38:27.000 --> 1:38:29.360 Yeah, yeah, I remember, And so that's why it's like 1:38:29.439 --> 1:38:32.040 if he missed a line and said it funny, it 1:38:32.120 --> 1:38:33.880 was just really hard to keep it together. 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:37.120 Because he's like looks like he's about to kiss you basically. 1:38:37.760 --> 1:38:39.960 And it's one of my favorite tropes too because they 1:38:39.960 --> 1:38:44.559 reveal the ring and like the I love there's a 1:38:44.600 --> 1:38:47.639 few episodes where it's like one little mistake and jewelry 1:38:47.680 --> 1:38:49.519 and you're done, And I love that. 1:38:49.680 --> 1:38:53.719 Yeah, a bing go board moment, Yeah, getting too greedy, 1:38:53.800 --> 1:38:55.880 getting too greedy and taking a ring or something that 1:38:55.920 --> 1:38:59.400 you stole from someone you killed. Yeah, right, and then 1:38:59.520 --> 1:39:02.880 you got to take the stand. Another bingo moment when 1:39:02.880 --> 1:39:05.320 you do Law and Order, you got to be on 1:39:05.400 --> 1:39:05.880 the stand. 1:39:06.040 --> 1:39:10.360 The courtroom was that that was so fun, Like I 1:39:10.400 --> 1:39:12.120 don't know, I was just having fun. It just seemed 1:39:12.160 --> 1:39:15.759 like a great guest spot. 1:39:16.280 --> 1:39:19.240 I haven't done one since because sometimes some people do too, 1:39:19.280 --> 1:39:19.880 don't they. 1:39:20.120 --> 1:39:22.240 Oh yeah, sometimes they bring people like at the beginning, 1:39:22.240 --> 1:39:24.280 they would bring people back closer together, and now I 1:39:24.280 --> 1:39:25.719 think they space them apart more. 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:29.400 Yeah, but yeah, I know, I know, what would you 1:39:29.439 --> 1:39:31.360 like to come back as? Oh my gosh. 1:39:31.439 --> 1:39:33.240 I mean the bad guys are the most fun because 1:39:33.240 --> 1:39:35.280 I feel like when you audition for the victim guest 1:39:35.320 --> 1:39:38.200 spot roles, you have to cry a lot and as 1:39:38.280 --> 1:39:41.360 much just that's just harder to like cry and like 1:39:41.439 --> 1:39:42.600 do a lot of exposition. 1:39:42.720 --> 1:39:46.080 That's just like hard to do. So the bad guy 1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:46.880 roles are more fun. 1:39:46.920 --> 1:39:49.599 I think you got to be fun like you were, 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:51.960 just like I was just like, I can't who is 1:39:52.000 --> 1:39:54.040 this girl? Because I mean, obviously they're painting you is 1:39:54.080 --> 1:39:55.560 so rich, but I'm like, who is this girl that 1:39:55.680 --> 1:39:58.519 is so fearless of the cops? 1:39:58.560 --> 1:40:00.759 Like you have not known the world of the cops. 1:40:00.760 --> 1:40:05.680 You're like, wow, a comedian cool? Like I oh, so 1:40:05.840 --> 1:40:06.800 much attitude. 1:40:07.320 --> 1:40:10.120 I also wrote down one line that you had where 1:40:10.160 --> 1:40:11.920 nove Ecco's he was addicted to you? 1:40:12.040 --> 1:40:15.800 And you went, is that so hard to imagine? Are 1:40:15.840 --> 1:40:17.400 you serious? That was a line? 1:40:17.680 --> 1:40:21.479 Yeah, Oh my god, I can't even that's so funny? 1:40:21.720 --> 1:40:23.920 Is that so hard to imagine? Do you remember watching 1:40:23.920 --> 1:40:25.960 it when it came out? Like do you watch stuff? 1:40:26.520 --> 1:40:26.680 Oh? 1:40:26.720 --> 1:40:28.559 I'm sure I watched it. I'm sure I watched it. 1:40:28.560 --> 1:40:30.759 But the funny thing is I was living at that time. 1:40:30.920 --> 1:40:33.519 I was still living in my first New York apartment 1:40:33.560 --> 1:40:35.360 and I think we were like five people in a 1:40:35.360 --> 1:40:37.439 two bedroom. It was like we didn't have cable, We 1:40:37.479 --> 1:40:41.000 couldn't afford anything. So if I did watch it, and 1:40:41.000 --> 1:40:43.920 that I think that was before streaming. Is that like 1:40:44.000 --> 1:40:46.080 early two thousands, right, Yeah, so that would have been 1:40:46.120 --> 1:40:50.200 well before streaming. So I'm like, when did I watch it? 1:40:50.240 --> 1:40:53.760 Actually? Because we didn't. I'm sure probably when I. 1:40:53.479 --> 1:40:55.200 Like went to my mom's house I watched it. I 1:40:55.200 --> 1:40:57.679 don't even remember when, but I'm sure I know I did. 1:40:58.000 --> 1:40:58.920 I know I didn't. 1:40:58.840 --> 1:41:00.000 Remember watching it. Yeah. 1:41:00.200 --> 1:41:02.719 I also had really bad acne back then. I remember 1:41:02.760 --> 1:41:06.360 being so stressed about my like twenty year old I 1:41:06.360 --> 1:41:09.280 had really bad acne problems and the makeup artist was 1:41:09.280 --> 1:41:09.799 so sweet. 1:41:09.840 --> 1:41:10.680 She was like trying to. 1:41:10.600 --> 1:41:14.360 Help me, and I just remember being like, oh, everybody's 1:41:14.400 --> 1:41:16.519 like looking at my acne. 1:41:16.960 --> 1:41:18.639 Oh God, well you definitely couldn't. 1:41:18.680 --> 1:41:21.439 It definitely didn't read on camera that makeup people did great. 1:41:21.800 --> 1:41:24.679 Oh they did. They really did, and they were very sweet. 1:41:24.680 --> 1:41:27.400 And they even put me in Marishka's dressing room. I 1:41:27.439 --> 1:41:29.920 hope that was when she wasn't at work. I think 1:41:29.960 --> 1:41:31.640 they would put people in her dress and she was 1:41:31.680 --> 1:41:32.360 like okay with it. 1:41:32.439 --> 1:41:34.040 But yeah, I remember being in her dressing room just 1:41:34.080 --> 1:41:37.320 being like, oh am I supposed to be in here? Wow? 1:41:37.600 --> 1:41:41.200 Do you ever steal things from sets? Her memories? 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:47.280 Do I steal things? Gosh? Have I ever stole anything set? 1:41:48.600 --> 1:41:52.400 I'm sure there's been something. Socks, plenty of socks. They 1:41:52.400 --> 1:41:54.760 always have really nice socks on set, like they give 1:41:54.800 --> 1:41:56.960 you like, even if you come to set with socks 1:41:57.000 --> 1:42:00.200 on the costume, people always leave socks you. 1:42:01.240 --> 1:42:02.559 Usually they even leave underwear. 1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:04.200 I mean there's just like they want you to have 1:42:04.280 --> 1:42:06.760 everything in case, like you didn't wear your underwear that 1:42:06.840 --> 1:42:07.439 day or whatever. 1:42:08.120 --> 1:42:10.160 So I would always and I don't. 1:42:09.960 --> 1:42:13.840 Know about this set specifically, but like usually I just 1:42:13.920 --> 1:42:15.840 leave the socks on because I'm like, oh, that's not 1:42:15.920 --> 1:42:19.040 really stealing. I just like left the socks on. So 1:42:19.120 --> 1:42:20.960 I've definitely left the socks on. I don't know about 1:42:21.000 --> 1:42:23.360 like stealing like prop objects or anything. I don't know 1:42:23.400 --> 1:42:25.760 if I've done that. Sometimes people give you stuff, you know, 1:42:25.880 --> 1:42:27.760 like if you have a prop guy, you know, he'll 1:42:27.760 --> 1:42:28.360 give you something. 1:42:29.240 --> 1:42:31.880 I would have taken that pink cart again, and oh 1:42:32.000 --> 1:42:34.120 I should have, and then I would have been like, 1:42:34.200 --> 1:42:35.760 I don't know, I left it in the trailer. 1:42:35.960 --> 1:42:38.280 I don't know I should have done that. I could 1:42:38.320 --> 1:42:40.000 have just worn it out. They would have never known. 1:42:41.360 --> 1:42:44.400 It was so cute. How was your How do you 1:42:44.400 --> 1:42:45.320 remember the arrest? 1:42:45.400 --> 1:42:47.519 Also at the very end, when they like are cuffing 1:42:47.600 --> 1:42:49.720 you and you're like this is crazy, and they're like, 1:42:49.840 --> 1:42:51.479 you're going to jail for stealing the ring. 1:42:51.720 --> 1:42:52.320 I loved it. 1:42:52.400 --> 1:42:54.920 Chris Moloni is like kind of rough a little bit, 1:42:54.960 --> 1:42:56.799 and I liked it because it like gave me something 1:42:56.840 --> 1:42:57.120 to do. 1:42:57.360 --> 1:43:01.400 And also people love that he arrested me. 1:43:01.479 --> 1:43:03.719 Like people always like, oh my gosh, Chris Maloney arrested 1:43:03.720 --> 1:43:05.639 you in Law and Order. Like that's my claim to fame, 1:43:05.720 --> 1:43:08.080 is that Chris Maloney arrested me. Because he has such 1:43:08.080 --> 1:43:09.439 a crazy fan like his fan. 1:43:09.360 --> 1:43:12.320 Base is psycho. A lot of gay men love him. 1:43:12.360 --> 1:43:15.360 I think from his days in Oz right, Yeah, and 1:43:15.560 --> 1:43:17.640 like and now his butt is having like a like 1:43:17.680 --> 1:43:20.400 a resurrection and like he says, and now he's like 1:43:20.439 --> 1:43:24.000 a zaddie and he's doing naked Peloton commercials. Yes, I 1:43:24.040 --> 1:43:26.519 think I don't know whether back then he was into it, 1:43:26.560 --> 1:43:28.640 but now I think he's playing it up. Like I 1:43:28.680 --> 1:43:30.720 think he loves that kind of stuff now. 1:43:30.760 --> 1:43:33.439 Yeah, because people seem very impressed by the fact that 1:43:33.479 --> 1:43:34.479 he arrested me. 1:43:35.560 --> 1:43:38.200 Yeah, that would be my dating profile picture for sure. 1:43:38.439 --> 1:43:42.160 Well, and we always talk like he's so toxic now 1:43:42.200 --> 1:43:44.320 when you watch back, and he is really rough and 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:47.000 breaks the rules often, but like there is a fantasy 1:43:47.080 --> 1:43:49.760 of him like throwing you against a file cabinet, you know, 1:43:49.920 --> 1:43:51.360 so you kind of a little bit. 1:43:51.439 --> 1:43:53.840 That would have been a different ending, maybe a better ending. 1:43:57.400 --> 1:44:00.080 Well you, I you know, we obviously stalked you, so 1:44:00.200 --> 1:44:02.920 I was on Instagram your costumes on this show. 1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:06.760 See looks good? Yes, well tell us about this show too. 1:44:07.000 --> 1:44:10.920 You're also working with hatty Jason Momoa. I would love 1:44:11.080 --> 1:44:12.800 some insight on that. 1:44:12.800 --> 1:44:13.920 That was fun. 1:44:13.960 --> 1:44:18.640 No, Natalie Bronsman did the costumes and gosh, yeah she was. 1:44:18.760 --> 1:44:21.200 Oh my god, that was just so incredible. She gave 1:44:21.240 --> 1:44:23.160 me something too. She gave me like, I had this 1:44:23.280 --> 1:44:26.600 cool snake thing, Like it was like a bracelet that 1:44:26.680 --> 1:44:28.960 went all the way over your hand and like it. 1:44:28.920 --> 1:44:29.960 Was like a hand piece. 1:44:29.960 --> 1:44:31.320 I don't even know what you call it. It was 1:44:31.320 --> 1:44:33.960 like a hand piece with like a snake wrapped around. 1:44:34.439 --> 1:44:37.200 So she did give me that. That was amazing. 1:44:37.360 --> 1:44:39.439 And I'm sure you have a lot of occasions to 1:44:39.479 --> 1:44:41.880 wear that too. Well, I haven't actually worn it out 1:44:41.920 --> 1:44:42.880 once Snake camped. 1:44:43.080 --> 1:44:44.920 I know I should wear it actually because it would 1:44:44.920 --> 1:44:46.759 be cool. I should have borne it to the premiere, 1:44:46.800 --> 1:44:48.880 but it just didn't go with my dress. 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:51.320 But yeah, that was fun. 1:44:51.360 --> 1:44:53.880 That was fun, And Jason definitely walked around set with 1:44:53.920 --> 1:44:56.240 his shirt off sometimes because it was very hot in Toronto, 1:44:56.360 --> 1:44:57.880 so that was also fun. 1:44:59.160 --> 1:44:59.960 Just watching what is. 1:45:00.240 --> 1:45:01.880 What's the will you tell us about the show? Like, 1:45:01.880 --> 1:45:03.759 what's the premise of se Okay? 1:45:03.800 --> 1:45:08.160 The premise of s is basically, it's like hundreds of 1:45:08.240 --> 1:45:10.280 years into the future, there's been a virus that has 1:45:10.439 --> 1:45:12.920 basic everybody has like lost their vision. They've got these 1:45:12.920 --> 1:45:15.880 like cataracts and so pretty much the entire population has 1:45:15.920 --> 1:45:18.639 said to adapt to not being able to see, except 1:45:18.640 --> 1:45:20.960 for there's like three characters that can see, and so 1:45:21.040 --> 1:45:23.360 all the powerful people are trying to exploit them to 1:45:23.479 --> 1:45:26.400 like make weapons. Essentially, it's just it's it's like a 1:45:26.520 --> 1:45:31.879 very like sci fi, kind of earthy, lot of good fighting, 1:45:32.240 --> 1:45:34.559 a lot of violence, a lot of violence if you're 1:45:34.600 --> 1:45:36.960 into that. The scenes I kind of have to look away, 1:45:37.000 --> 1:45:38.960 like they're almost too violent. But Jason Wa has a 1:45:38.960 --> 1:45:44.599 lot of amazing fight scenes and see no. 1:45:44.000 --> 1:45:44.519 No, I'm not. 1:45:44.560 --> 1:45:46.720 So they treat my they treat everybody's eyes like in 1:45:46.840 --> 1:45:49.120 post and so your eyes look really cool. 1:45:49.400 --> 1:45:51.679 And and they gave us canes. 1:45:51.680 --> 1:45:55.080 We had like these kind of canes walking sticks, and 1:45:55.240 --> 1:45:56.960 the other thing about it was so interesting is that 1:45:56.960 --> 1:46:00.000 you couldn't look at actors because in this world where 1:46:00.160 --> 1:46:02.479 like nobody because like right now, people who you. 1:46:02.439 --> 1:46:03.639 Know are visually impaired. 1:46:03.760 --> 1:46:05.960 If they're if they're looking at you, it's because they're 1:46:05.960 --> 1:46:08.519 adapting to kind of like the seeing world, like as 1:46:08.560 --> 1:46:11.200 most of us can see. And so they're a minority, 1:46:11.280 --> 1:46:13.400 so they've like kind of had to adapt to, oh, 1:46:13.479 --> 1:46:14.960 try to make like try to. 1:46:14.880 --> 1:46:16.439 Look as closely to the person's eyes. 1:46:16.479 --> 1:46:19.840 But in a world where every nobody can see like that, 1:46:20.080 --> 1:46:21.559 there's no need to like look at them. 1:46:21.560 --> 1:46:22.679 They're just going off there hearing. 1:46:22.720 --> 1:46:24.320 So a lot of times you'd be doing a scene 1:46:24.800 --> 1:46:28.080 in profile, so I'm like listening to somebody here and 1:46:28.160 --> 1:46:30.919 looking that way, so you're almost never making eye contact. 1:46:30.960 --> 1:46:33.759 You're just really never making eye contact. You're looking around 1:46:33.840 --> 1:46:36.559 the person the whole time. And so that was crazy 1:46:36.600 --> 1:46:38.080 to do. That was just so new to me. I've 1:46:38.080 --> 1:46:40.200 never done anything like that, like not being able to 1:46:40.240 --> 1:46:42.720 look at an actor. Like somebody would come and say, oh, 1:46:42.920 --> 1:46:44.439 it looks like you're looking at him, and I was like, well, 1:46:44.479 --> 1:46:46.479 I think I'm just looking past his ear. Well, look 1:46:46.640 --> 1:46:48.840 from the camera perspective, it looks like you're looking at him, 1:46:48.840 --> 1:46:49.840 so look further away. 1:46:50.439 --> 1:46:53.240 You know. That was really weird because we're so used. 1:46:53.120 --> 1:46:55.960 To like like we're so used to listening really with 1:46:56.040 --> 1:46:58.840 our eyes, you know, body language. It's like somebody can 1:46:58.920 --> 1:47:03.200 say one thing, but what they're doing visually is like 1:47:03.320 --> 1:47:05.720 you're getting something else from it. So I found that 1:47:05.760 --> 1:47:08.240 to be like, really that was really challenging, but also 1:47:08.640 --> 1:47:11.639 really fun and totally different and sensual. 1:47:11.760 --> 1:47:14.240 And the costumes. We just had so much stuff to 1:47:15.000 --> 1:47:18.240 play with. So what's life in Utah? Like, there's a 1:47:18.240 --> 1:47:20.439 lot of skiing. I ski a lot. Are you in 1:47:20.479 --> 1:47:20.960 Salt Lake? 1:47:21.200 --> 1:47:24.640 No, I'm actually right now currently in Probo, Utah? And 1:47:24.640 --> 1:47:26.920 then I'm met in you know, Sundance, Utah. It's kind 1:47:26.960 --> 1:47:29.280 of it's not the word the fest festivals in Park City, 1:47:29.760 --> 1:47:33.240 but Sundance is this little tiny like ski resource, small 1:47:33.280 --> 1:47:36.719 ski resort like five chairs. I want to say Robert Redford. 1:47:36.960 --> 1:47:39.760 Robert Redford owns it. They do the Sundance Institute and 1:47:39.760 --> 1:47:42.120 the labs there, but it's not quite where like the 1:47:42.240 --> 1:47:45.040 Giant Festival is the giant big festivals in Park City, 1:47:45.080 --> 1:47:48.479 like thirty minutes forty minutes up the canyon. So it's 1:47:48.520 --> 1:47:50.680 a really beautiful mountain. You guys should definitely come out 1:47:50.680 --> 1:47:52.280 sometime and visit and I'll show you around. 1:47:52.520 --> 1:47:54.519 Yeah, okay, you're a girl. 1:47:56.200 --> 1:47:57.360 Nature I really am. 1:47:57.400 --> 1:47:59.280 It was like hard to be in New York for 1:47:59.360 --> 1:48:00.960 so long, but I got so used to it and 1:48:00.960 --> 1:48:03.639 I loved it. But when the option was like when 1:48:03.680 --> 1:48:05.760 it became COVID times, it was just like not a 1:48:05.840 --> 1:48:08.679 question for me. I was like, there's no way, I'm 1:48:08.680 --> 1:48:11.120 just sitting in an apartment for a year and like 1:48:11.280 --> 1:48:13.120 grinding now self tapes, Like I'm just not going to 1:48:13.200 --> 1:48:13.400 do that. 1:48:14.040 --> 1:48:17.400 Yeah, you just said, like you filmed in Toronto. I'm 1:48:17.400 --> 1:48:18.920 sure there's just always somewhere else. 1:48:19.040 --> 1:48:21.120 That's the thing is that when you get the job, 1:48:21.160 --> 1:48:25.559 you're actually you know, usually that said, I shot tons 1:48:25.600 --> 1:48:27.920 of stuff in New York, so I should spend more 1:48:27.920 --> 1:48:30.519 time there just because that's kind of where my like, 1:48:30.960 --> 1:48:33.200 you know, actor family is, and. 1:48:33.000 --> 1:48:33.679 So I should. 1:48:33.720 --> 1:48:37.559 I should get back my partner Houston, he is from Alabama, 1:48:37.600 --> 1:48:39.000 but he's really like a New York person. 1:48:39.040 --> 1:48:40.479 He just really wants to live in New York. 1:48:40.520 --> 1:48:42.720 But we were kind of all over the place, and 1:48:42.720 --> 1:48:44.040 I was like, I have a home in Utah, Like, 1:48:44.120 --> 1:48:45.759 let's just go live there for a while and figure 1:48:45.760 --> 1:48:48.680 it out and then it's just easy to stay. And 1:48:48.720 --> 1:48:50.080 so we've been here for about a year now. But 1:48:50.120 --> 1:48:54.040 he he was noticing. There's soda shops all over Provo 1:48:54.120 --> 1:48:56.080 at Oorum, Utah, like soda shops. 1:48:56.160 --> 1:48:59.560 So there's like a bar, no soda like so I know, 1:48:59.680 --> 1:49:01.720 but like the way they treat it the way like 1:49:01.800 --> 1:49:03.040 another city would treat me. 1:49:03.200 --> 1:49:05.120 Yes, Like it's like come in here and get your 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:07.559 your no bars. There's like no bars. 1:49:07.560 --> 1:49:10.880 There's like two bars in the entire city, like there's 1:49:11.000 --> 1:49:13.320 and they're like kind of weird, and it's really hard 1:49:13.320 --> 1:49:15.640 to get a liquor license apparently in Provo because like 1:49:15.800 --> 1:49:18.760 I think BYU kind of owns them, or they don't 1:49:18.760 --> 1:49:21.360 want the more the kids, that's the students to start drinking, 1:49:21.360 --> 1:49:21.759 I guess. 1:49:22.080 --> 1:49:23.200 So there's these soda shops. 1:49:23.200 --> 1:49:26.840 One's called Sip and Fizz, one is called So Delicious, 1:49:27.040 --> 1:49:30.360 one is called Pop and Dot. There's like fifteen different 1:49:30.400 --> 1:49:33.880 like like soda places that they're like franchises that I 1:49:33.920 --> 1:49:35.160 see all over Utah. 1:49:35.360 --> 1:49:36.160 And they have lines. 1:49:36.200 --> 1:49:38.559 There's like car lines and they're not cheap, like I've 1:49:38.560 --> 1:49:41.160 gone to one before and got like the red They 1:49:41.320 --> 1:49:43.680 mix soda so they put like red Bull and then 1:49:43.800 --> 1:49:46.439 other flavored soda, so it's like sugar on top of sugar. 1:49:46.680 --> 1:49:49.840 Some of them they give you a free cookie. Wow, 1:49:50.120 --> 1:49:53.360 Like that's that's the that's the vice here is just 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:57.080 like sugar and soda. Like they don't drink, they don't smoke, 1:49:57.200 --> 1:49:58.400 they eat sugar. 1:49:58.800 --> 1:50:01.559 Wow. That's I know. It is really wild. 1:50:01.720 --> 1:50:06.080 Well, so you're okay, So you're in provo, you're partitioning. 1:50:06.920 --> 1:50:09.760 Is there anything that you want our listeners to check out, 1:50:09.800 --> 1:50:12.200 any like recent projects or anything coming up that you 1:50:12.240 --> 1:50:13.479 want us to keep an eye out. 1:50:13.720 --> 1:50:15.759 Just pray for me, Just keep me in your prayers. 1:50:17.520 --> 1:50:20.560 No, I've had a sad like I don't want is 1:50:20.560 --> 1:50:23.000 called a sad year, but just a lot of close calls, 1:50:23.000 --> 1:50:24.760 a lot of those kind of jobs were you're just 1:50:25.880 --> 1:50:28.080 like kind of heartbroken. You just get it's like the 1:50:28.080 --> 1:50:30.040 feeling of like somebody just broke up with you and 1:50:30.080 --> 1:50:32.479 broke your heart. Like that's like they were so close 1:50:32.520 --> 1:50:34.800 that you're like the carrot is like really close and 1:50:34.840 --> 1:50:37.720 gets closer and then all of a sudden just know 1:50:38.040 --> 1:50:38.800 it's somebody else. 1:50:38.840 --> 1:50:39.720 They want with somebody else. 1:50:39.720 --> 1:50:42.639 And that's been happening so many so much this year, 1:50:42.640 --> 1:50:43.759 and now we're in this writer strike. 1:50:43.840 --> 1:50:46.840 So it was just like, dang, this is I'm like, 1:50:46.920 --> 1:50:49.040 is it just? Is it over for me? No? 1:50:49.160 --> 1:50:50.920 I think a lot of people are feeling that way 1:50:50.960 --> 1:50:55.480 that it's like just bouncing back from the pandemic. 1:50:55.479 --> 1:50:58.400 Still totally everything. Yeah, it's really different. 1:50:58.400 --> 1:51:00.200 It's really different doing the self tapes because I think 1:51:00.240 --> 1:51:02.000 they just they cast a much wider net. 1:51:02.280 --> 1:51:04.960 Wait, have you have you ever met another Tris? 1:51:05.280 --> 1:51:08.320 Okay, my mom's name is Trieste, my grandma's name is Tries, 1:51:08.479 --> 1:51:11.280 and my great aunt's name is Tris, and then there's 1:51:11.320 --> 1:51:13.080 some others in the family too. 1:51:13.200 --> 1:51:17.000 So okay, family name all right? Cool? So sure, yeah, 1:51:17.160 --> 1:51:19.800 you've met a for you. This was very fun. I 1:51:19.840 --> 1:51:22.800 know you so much. Nice to meet you guys too. 1:51:22.960 --> 1:51:25.080 Thank you so much for taking the time to tell 1:51:25.160 --> 1:51:28.040 us about your SVU experience or your life. 1:51:28.040 --> 1:51:30.600 Thanks for reminding me of that episode because it was 1:51:30.640 --> 1:51:32.400 really fun and it's good to be reminded. 1:51:35.720 --> 1:51:36.000 Wow. 1:51:36.560 --> 1:51:40.560 Triste so cool living the life in Utah. 1:51:40.640 --> 1:51:46.479 Cool girl, really cool girl, best character, dream character, rich 1:51:46.600 --> 1:51:49.120 bitch who thinks they got away with it all but 1:51:49.400 --> 1:51:50.559 arrest sit at the end. 1:51:51.320 --> 1:51:52.560 Silver bracelets. 1:51:52.640 --> 1:51:56.439 Yeah, so why that's why we go to the movies. 1:51:56.640 --> 1:52:01.240 JK. We come to this place for magic. Yeah, for 1:52:01.400 --> 1:52:02.200 people getting. 1:52:02.040 --> 1:52:06.840 Arrested and the Cliffhairer, the Biffer rich bitches falsting their 1:52:06.840 --> 1:52:11.120 poy boyfriends to kill their poker partners. I feel bad 1:52:11.160 --> 1:52:14.800 for the guy, but I hate when Maloney, like, I 1:52:14.880 --> 1:52:17.559 don't know, I relate to him. I was also poor. 1:52:17.720 --> 1:52:21.560 It's like, shut up, yeah, it's like he killed a woman. Yeah, 1:52:21.600 --> 1:52:24.160 he strangled a woman in a rage over money. And 1:52:24.200 --> 1:52:26.479 you're like, there's just something about this kid. I think 1:52:26.479 --> 1:52:30.080 he's good on the inside. It's like what I just hate. 1:52:30.160 --> 1:52:32.920 I get it when it's like the parent stuff and 1:52:32.960 --> 1:52:34.599 you just feel for these children. 1:52:34.640 --> 1:52:35.760 But this is too far. 1:52:36.400 --> 1:52:38.920 You know, this is way too far to like want 1:52:38.960 --> 1:52:42.320 to give a pass to someone who who did murder 1:52:42.360 --> 1:52:44.040 a woman. I don't care if it was because of 1:52:44.080 --> 1:52:47.719 gambling debts, Like then get your own legs broken. 1:52:47.720 --> 1:52:48.639 And that's not my part. 1:52:48.680 --> 1:52:51.200 Like, I just I hate when Maloney has a soft 1:52:51.200 --> 1:52:54.960 spot for just like looking like someone that looks like him. 1:52:55.000 --> 1:52:56.200 I don't know, it bothers me. 1:52:56.320 --> 1:52:59.400 We've also just seen so many episodes of the show 1:52:59.439 --> 1:53:03.000 where a man is like either in the on the 1:53:03.280 --> 1:53:05.360 at the defense table or like being exited from the 1:53:05.360 --> 1:53:07.720 courtroom where he's like, why are you doing this? And 1:53:07.760 --> 1:53:10.120 it's just a woman fucking him over. So I kind 1:53:10.120 --> 1:53:12.880 of love that though. I do love when like he's like, 1:53:13.200 --> 1:53:15.559 but babe, I did it all for you and. 1:53:15.479 --> 1:53:19.559 She's like audios. It was just a great, great scene. 1:53:19.760 --> 1:53:23.160 Yeah, the damaged, the damaged of it all. He was 1:53:23.200 --> 1:53:26.000 gonna go to jail for life for Mari Grainer. 1:53:26.520 --> 1:53:29.439 Yeah, or even the guy who in Mother who like 1:53:29.520 --> 1:53:31.680 thought that he was like in love with his therapist. 1:53:31.360 --> 1:53:33.280 Was like, why are you doing this? I love you? 1:53:33.360 --> 1:53:37.360 Like there's so much like protests of love in the courtroom. 1:53:37.760 --> 1:53:38.559 John, what is it? 1:53:38.640 --> 1:53:42.519 John Abraham? John Abrams? It's always tough with the last names. 1:53:42.560 --> 1:53:46.760 Casey's type in, Casey's type in He's finding it. 1:53:46.880 --> 1:53:48.120 But I think it's Abra. 1:53:48.320 --> 1:53:51.880 What did you think of John Abram's resident John Abrams, 1:53:51.960 --> 1:53:56.360 it's John Abrams. No, there's an h John Abraham, John 1:53:56.400 --> 1:54:01.320 Abraham's yeah. 1:53:59.760 --> 1:54:01.920 Yeah, oh good. A great former guy. 1:54:02.000 --> 1:54:05.080 And you know he's in one of my favorite movies, Prime, 1:54:05.080 --> 1:54:06.599 which I'm sure Kara hasn't seen. 1:54:07.439 --> 1:54:08.800 I have seen pieces of it. 1:54:08.840 --> 1:54:11.920 I remember I remember it because in that movie, doesn't 1:54:11.920 --> 1:54:13.960 Meryl streep tell him not to do Q tips in 1:54:13.960 --> 1:54:16.559 your ears or something like that. I always remember that 1:54:16.560 --> 1:54:18.240 part because I, well, you tipping my ears is one 1:54:18.280 --> 1:54:20.000 of my greatest joys in life, and I don't care 1:54:20.000 --> 1:54:21.000 if you're not supposed to do it. 1:54:21.000 --> 1:54:21.800 I love it so much. 1:54:22.000 --> 1:54:25.719 Well, yeah, because Uma Thurman's like in therapy with Meryl's streep, 1:54:25.760 --> 1:54:29.240 and Merrill's caught on that UMA's dating her son, but 1:54:29.320 --> 1:54:32.080 she's still testing the waters to know like when ethically 1:54:32.120 --> 1:54:35.280 she should hop out right because she also doesn't want 1:54:35.280 --> 1:54:37.040 to ditch her client if it's a fling. But then 1:54:37.120 --> 1:54:39.120 UMA's like, what kind of mother would do that to 1:54:39.160 --> 1:54:42.400 her son? And the Meryl's streep gets all like defensive 1:54:43.040 --> 1:54:46.840 about ear canals. No, I love a Q tip. I 1:54:46.840 --> 1:54:48.480 love a cue tip for a lot of stuff. 1:54:48.480 --> 1:54:51.000 It feels so clean after I Q tip those ears 1:54:51.000 --> 1:54:52.000 out after a shower. 1:54:52.800 --> 1:54:53.960 Anyway, I don't know. 1:54:54.040 --> 1:54:55.920 It's kind of Yes, this is why you come to 1:54:55.960 --> 1:54:58.280 this podcast to hear about the joys of Q tipping. 1:54:58.400 --> 1:55:03.320 Yes. Post mortom of this episode, what did we learn? 1:55:03.680 --> 1:55:05.960 Don't ever think that a rich bitch that you need 1:55:05.960 --> 1:55:08.440 to pay for with money is going to stay with you, 1:55:08.520 --> 1:55:10.680 because the minute you lose even a few dollars. 1:55:10.760 --> 1:55:13.840 She's out of there, you know, like, don't. 1:55:14.120 --> 1:55:18.000 Yeah, you're young, you're young. This isn't real love, Like, 1:55:18.280 --> 1:55:21.600 get out of there. Don't work with ultimatums or having 1:55:21.680 --> 1:55:24.560 to like ruin your life to be with someone, not 1:55:24.920 --> 1:55:26.600 the thing, not the gig, bitch. 1:55:26.680 --> 1:55:27.800 Don't And like I. 1:55:27.720 --> 1:55:30.920 Respect the hustle of the like selling of the term 1:55:30.960 --> 1:55:33.080 papers and the playing poker and stuff, but you can't 1:55:33.080 --> 1:55:35.840 take it, like just don't. Don't get wrapped up in 1:55:35.880 --> 1:55:38.720 the illegal stuff because then you're just gonna get busted. 1:55:38.760 --> 1:55:40.760 You don't have the high powered lawyer to help get 1:55:40.760 --> 1:55:42.600 you out of this shit the way that Gloria cole 1:55:42.680 --> 1:55:46.000 Hayne does. You know, it's like what you were just 1:55:46.040 --> 1:55:48.720 talking about. Oh, Lisa just sent me this TikTok. That 1:55:48.840 --> 1:55:51.560 was this girl woman. That's like, I'm a lawyer, and 1:55:51.640 --> 1:55:54.520 here are the things I'm gonna tell my kids. Don't 1:55:54.880 --> 1:55:57.480 call me from jail and confess to me that you 1:55:57.520 --> 1:55:59.840 did something bad on the phone. They're recording that conversation. 1:56:00.840 --> 1:56:03.880 If you have trauma, don't hide trauma, get it out. 1:56:03.960 --> 1:56:06.480 Tell people, seek professional help immediately. That will not only 1:56:06.520 --> 1:56:08.120 helps with your mental well being, but it helps with 1:56:08.160 --> 1:56:12.320 your case for criminal or civil lawsuits down the road. 1:56:12.640 --> 1:56:14.560 But then the third thing she was saying was don't 1:56:14.600 --> 1:56:17.400 make the cover up worse than the crime, Like don't 1:56:17.880 --> 1:56:20.560 you know, like that's kind of what happened to this 1:56:20.600 --> 1:56:22.440 guy in this episode. It's like when something goes wrong 1:56:22.520 --> 1:56:24.760 right away the one hundred and fifty k or whatever, like, 1:56:24.920 --> 1:56:27.400 just go get help and figure that problem out. Don't 1:56:27.480 --> 1:56:29.680 keep committing crimes to cover up your thing, because it 1:56:29.720 --> 1:56:31.480 takes you that she goes that's how people spiral. 1:56:32.120 --> 1:56:34.320 No, yeah, I definitely sent that to you immediately in 1:56:34.360 --> 1:56:35.120 the middle of the night. 1:56:35.640 --> 1:56:40.200 I knew that your future children's I need well know. 1:56:40.400 --> 1:56:42.480 First of all, I have to I'm going to tattoo 1:56:42.560 --> 1:56:46.200 that TikTok on Oscar's body because he is absolutely gonna 1:56:46.240 --> 1:56:48.480 call me from jail one day, like there's no question, 1:56:48.600 --> 1:56:51.200 and I need to be like, you keep it zipped up. 1:56:51.240 --> 1:56:52.960 You just tell me where you are and I'm coming 1:56:53.000 --> 1:56:54.200 to get you. Thank God. 1:56:54.200 --> 1:56:56.160 When I got arrested, I was so wasted that I 1:56:56.240 --> 1:56:58.680 was denying everything. So I was on the phone being 1:56:58.680 --> 1:57:02.040 like I didn't do anything these you call your parents. 1:57:02.040 --> 1:57:03.920 Now, my sister, my sister, Yeah, come on. 1:57:04.440 --> 1:57:06.240 I was also gonna say, I bet you could just 1:57:06.280 --> 1:57:09.040 speak Russian. I doubt they've got like an interpreter on hand. 1:57:09.080 --> 1:57:11.440 You could just be like in Russian, like I fucked up, 1:57:11.440 --> 1:57:11.960 Come get me. 1:57:12.960 --> 1:57:14.040 Yeah, you definitely. 1:57:14.160 --> 1:57:16.440 I would suggest don't call your parents who don't speak 1:57:16.440 --> 1:57:17.440 English from jail. 1:57:17.640 --> 1:57:21.080 That will not work. You gotta call the siblings. You 1:57:21.200 --> 1:57:22.280 gotta call a sibling. 1:57:22.880 --> 1:57:26.640 But also gamble for fun. No, that's blaming the victim. 1:57:26.680 --> 1:57:29.600 Sorry, but yeah, I guess I would say, if you 1:57:29.800 --> 1:57:35.160 are fleecing a humongous professional football player for his diamond 1:57:35.280 --> 1:57:37.600 ring that costs one hundred thousand dollars, maybe don't like 1:57:38.400 --> 1:57:40.480 laugh in his face and gloat because he's going to 1:57:40.480 --> 1:57:42.560 get quite angry at you, although he didn't end up 1:57:42.560 --> 1:57:45.520 doing anything. But still, don't lie to your wives. They 1:57:45.560 --> 1:57:49.360 know the truth. Quit lying to your wives. Oh. 1:57:49.440 --> 1:57:51.880 I started watching the Ashley Madison thing, but I didn't 1:57:51.880 --> 1:57:52.680 finish it. 1:57:53.840 --> 1:57:55.680 Oh yeah, there's a doc a new doc out. 1:57:56.080 --> 1:57:59.920 Yeah. I was like, I know, I know, I heard 1:58:00.120 --> 1:58:03.200 a sham Dock is really sweet. I would love to 1:58:03.200 --> 1:58:05.560 watch the Wham Duck. It's like all about how much 1:58:05.880 --> 1:58:08.160 the other guy from WAM just like loved George Michael 1:58:08.160 --> 1:58:09.680 and was like, yeah, you could tell he was a star. 1:58:10.120 --> 1:58:12.480 And after WAM was over, he was just like I'm out, 1:58:12.720 --> 1:58:15.600 Like I'm just gonna like George can just take the fame, 1:58:15.680 --> 1:58:17.640 like I'm good. I had a great ride, you know, 1:58:18.040 --> 1:58:20.600 like did he did he was he able to live 1:58:20.640 --> 1:58:22.840 on residuals from the music or did he have to 1:58:22.840 --> 1:58:24.160 get her like a job? 1:58:24.640 --> 1:58:27.080 Probably I think he did, that's what. That's what my friend. 1:58:27.200 --> 1:58:29.560 My friend was actually Georgia telling me all about it, 1:58:29.920 --> 1:58:33.760 but like she was saying too that it was like 1:58:33.880 --> 1:58:35.480 they used to. He used to just like he knew 1:58:35.480 --> 1:58:37.120 George was gay and he would just like help him 1:58:37.120 --> 1:58:39.160 cover and be like oh yeah, we're just like Sleigh 1:58:39.200 --> 1:58:41.440 and Pussy left and right. But like he was covering 1:58:41.480 --> 1:58:44.080 for help him covering for him. My god, this guy 1:58:44.120 --> 1:58:48.320 from WAM. What a little ally an Ali hero. I 1:58:48.360 --> 1:58:50.560 guess I'll throw this out there. I don't know. I 1:58:50.640 --> 1:58:54.880 loved the movie joy Ride. Oh yeah, the port Asian Women. 1:58:55.680 --> 1:58:57.440 So you know, the movie is a comedy. 1:58:57.520 --> 1:59:01.200 So we're laughing and after you know, and our mutual 1:59:01.240 --> 1:59:04.240 friend has a really nice big laugh. 1:59:04.440 --> 1:59:06.200 Okay, and it's nada. 1:59:06.480 --> 1:59:08.560 If you're a stand up you love to hear it 1:59:08.600 --> 1:59:11.080 because it's like coming from her gut and she like 1:59:11.200 --> 1:59:14.080 loves what you're saying, and she's it's not annoying to 1:59:14.160 --> 1:59:17.600 me at all, And I have friends with annoying laughs. No, 1:59:17.680 --> 1:59:20.480 because it's realizing she's not putting on anything. 1:59:20.640 --> 1:59:22.360 It's truly her enjoying life. 1:59:23.040 --> 1:59:25.360 And after the movie ends, you know, the light's go up, 1:59:25.400 --> 1:59:27.120 we stand up and a woman turns to her and goes, 1:59:27.480 --> 1:59:31.480 you really laughed out loud at the movie, And it's 1:59:31.520 --> 1:59:34.800 like the comedy, like, are you shading the movie that 1:59:34.880 --> 1:59:37.360 it's bad or that my friend is laughing? Like, of 1:59:37.400 --> 1:59:39.680 course we're laughing at the movie. It's a funny movie. 1:59:40.200 --> 1:59:41.800 It just sickens me. It sickens me. 1:59:41.840 --> 1:59:43.000 I mean we're at dinner time. 1:59:43.240 --> 1:59:46.720 People hate her laugh and it is I mean, it 1:59:46.720 --> 1:59:48.360 helps me get my rage out because I get to 1:59:48.360 --> 1:59:49.080 defend a friend. 1:59:49.160 --> 1:59:51.720 So for me sometimes I'm like, it's just so crazy. 1:59:51.720 --> 1:59:54.240 What do you look. She's been at my stand up, 1:59:54.320 --> 1:59:55.560 she's been at our live shows. 1:59:55.600 --> 1:59:57.480 I love hearing her laugh, Like I don't know, maybe 1:59:57.480 --> 2:00:00.440 that's just because she's my friend, but it's all Also 2:00:01.000 --> 2:00:04.000 it's like that means you're not having fun like, why 2:00:04.040 --> 2:00:05.840 are you sitting in silence getting mad? 2:00:05.920 --> 2:00:07.280 Like you should be laughing. 2:00:07.320 --> 2:00:09.960 We should all be laughing, and if you're not, don't 2:00:10.040 --> 2:00:12.400 drag people down to the depths of misery with you 2:00:13.360 --> 2:00:18.080 like that. So whatever, whatever, Well, we're moving on, give 2:00:18.080 --> 2:00:18.879 them the chatty. 2:00:19.160 --> 2:00:21.600 Let's go. No, well, we're going to what would Sister 2:00:21.640 --> 2:00:22.000 Peg do? 2:00:22.120 --> 2:00:25.840 Our WWSPD segment where we tell you point you guys 2:00:25.840 --> 2:00:28.879 to a resource, a blog, a book, a podcast episode. 2:00:29.080 --> 2:00:31.120 We even did a made for television movie recently. 2:00:31.160 --> 2:00:33.240 You know, we're all over the place, but something to 2:00:33.240 --> 2:00:34.960 give you more information about what we talked about in 2:00:34.960 --> 2:00:38.400 today's episode and listen. SVU has made a full character 2:00:38.760 --> 2:00:42.000 choice with Rawlins having a gambling problem. Clearly the kids 2:00:42.040 --> 2:00:44.560 in this episode have gambling problems, so we thought we 2:00:44.560 --> 2:00:48.920 would point out the National Problem Gambling Helpline, which is 2:00:48.960 --> 2:00:52.440 one eight hundred gambler. 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