Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
Speaker 3: These episodes are based on. These are our stories done done.
Speaker 2: Hello, this is Thats Messed Up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 3: And my name is Lisa. I'm the host. Duh. My
Speaker 3: name is Kara.
Speaker 1: I'm the other host obviously. And you know what we do.
Speaker 1: We talk SVU, we talk true crime. We talked to
Speaker 1: a fabulous guest, and you know this today's episode is
Speaker 1: no different.
Speaker 3: But we also tour. That's another thing we do. We
Speaker 3: go on tour. We do. We do this podcast live.
Speaker 3: It's very different.
Speaker 1: It's got PowerPoint, games, audience interaction.
Speaker 3: It's so much fun.
Speaker 1: It's truly not just like two podcasts hosts sitting at
Speaker 1: a card table. Not that I'm shading people that do that,
Speaker 1: but that's just not.
Speaker 3: What we do it so much for. I think if
Speaker 3: you're act ticket price.
Speaker 1: It's if you're paying a ticket price, we like to
Speaker 1: give the people a little something extra and there and
Speaker 1: we are there with our PowerPoint and our extra I know.
Speaker 2: It's just funny because you are talking about a specific podcast.
Speaker 3: You went to see Live. Yeah, I am, I am.
Speaker 3: I don't you are listening.
Speaker 1: I was annoyed I had to pay a ticket price
Speaker 1: to a podcast I don't listen to for someone's birthday.
Speaker 1: But anyway, we are coming out this fall to twenty
Speaker 1: one cities. I am so excited. We just announced Chicago
Speaker 1: last week. That was a hold out that we had
Speaker 1: to wait to announce because it's part of a festival.
Speaker 1: So your hometown girl, Liza's coming home and we love
Speaker 1: coming to Chicago. We'll be in DC, Atlanta, Charlotte, and
Speaker 1: Raleigh in September. So the DC tickets are flying, so
Speaker 1: get those and then come see us Atlanta Charlotte rally.
Speaker 1: We need you, guys. We can't come back if you
Speaker 1: guys don't come. So yeah, and then check our check
Speaker 1: that's messed up live dot com for all the other
Speaker 1: dates that we're doing. We're going all over the place
Speaker 1: including Toronto, International.
Speaker 2: Baby and I have stand up dates no big deal, Wilmington, Sacramento, Portland,
Speaker 2: San Francisco, DC and on but those are through you know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: more reckout Lara's stands up that's all on her Instagram
Speaker 2: and listen. We are in a what called a sack
Speaker 2: of life. We are in a strike, double Serrus strike.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys always you guys know, we're in
Speaker 1: the time machine as always, like this will be coming
Speaker 1: out probably two weeks into the strike, but we just
Speaker 1: as of this recording, we're kind of new into the strike.
Speaker 1: Liza and I are both members of sag UH, so
Speaker 1: we both voted for the strike. We support the strike
Speaker 1: one thousand percent, one thousand percent.
Speaker 2: Did you watch the TikTok where it was like the
Speaker 2: law that was changed by the Justice Department in August
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. No, so back in the day, the studios
Speaker 2: would own like the movie theaters, the ticketing places. They
Speaker 2: it was like they double dipped on stuff, and so
Speaker 2: there was like a law or whatever, a thing, a
Speaker 2: restriction I don't know the legal times put on.
Speaker 3: So it all has to be separate.
Speaker 2: So the movie theaters have to be separate from the studios,
Speaker 2: have to be separate from the marketing, so there's no
Speaker 2: double dipping. But in technology companies that doesn't exist. It's
Speaker 2: all unilateral. It is the word that they used. I
Speaker 2: guess this is it's really embarrassing trying to summarize something
Speaker 2: that is above my brain. But basically, like Google then
Speaker 2: owns all the Google marketing, and like for tech companies,
Speaker 2: you're allowed to own everything and double dip.
Speaker 3: And so that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Like all of these streamers are tech companies. They are
Speaker 2: not film, you know, they're not studios and so but
Speaker 2: then they became the studios and the distributors and the
Speaker 2: market they own all of it. And in August twenty
Speaker 2: two money, while we were dealing with I don't know,
Speaker 2: an election, COVID, a racial uprising, like basically, they quickly
Speaker 2: asked the Justice Department to switch it and they did.
Speaker 2: And so that is how they're now able to buy
Speaker 2: law like double dip in all of these ways and
Speaker 2: own everything and not have to pay residuals or fair
Speaker 2: prices or basically anything because they own the production and
Speaker 2: the distribution.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also the big reason why they don't have to
Speaker 1: pay residuals really too, is that they don't No one
Speaker 1: knows how popular a show is on a streamer.
Speaker 3: Like for television, we have the Nielsen ratings.
Speaker 1: Everybody agreed a long time ago, there's the Nielsen ratings.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: Certain people have Nielsen boxes and that determines based on
Speaker 1: a lot of analytics and stuff that they put into it.
Speaker 1: How many people are watching something I'm sure now also
Speaker 1: social media and other factors are involved.
Speaker 2: That tells they do know, they just don't tell that
Speaker 2: information just won't tell.
Speaker 1: Yes, they exactly. Netflix, they have nothing but data. Netflix
Speaker 1: knows when you turn it off. Hulu knows, Oh, there's
Speaker 1: something about the credit sequence that these people don't like.
Speaker 1: They're turning it off after the opening credits, like or whatever.
Speaker 1: There's so much data they know exactly, but they don't
Speaker 1: share it because it's all about competition. So and what
Speaker 1: the actors are suggesting is, let's use this place. I
Speaker 1: believe it's called like parent Media or something like that
Speaker 1: that does that basically tries to use social media and
Speaker 1: a lot of different analytics to figure out what the
Speaker 1: popular shows are, like, what makes Wednesday a hit? What
Speaker 1: makes you know a show like Survival of the Thickest
Speaker 1: to hit? You know, I'll just mention that show out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. That is not a project I worked on.
Speaker 1: But you know that they can't. They don't share any
Speaker 1: of that. And so then but the people that are
Speaker 1: working on Wednesday are like, I know, this is a
Speaker 1: global hit, like why am I not getting any money?
Speaker 1: Or like now the Orange is the New Black Girls?
Speaker 1: Several of whom we've interviewed.
Speaker 3: Are on the news.
Speaker 1: They're in the new There was a big article talking
Speaker 1: about how freaking' Oranges and New Black broke open the
Speaker 1: whole streaming thing, like they were the first big streaming hit.
Speaker 3: And those girls get checks for ten dollars, like it's
Speaker 3: not crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Gilmore Girls guy he was talking about, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just the person who sells the licensing, so Universal
Speaker 2: or whatever big company, and these actors worked in the show,
Speaker 2: and that they just they're playing it over and over
Speaker 2: making so much money. And it just sucks that these
Speaker 2: stockholders and CEOs. I mean, I saw one thing that
Speaker 2: this could be the like strike that truly creates like
Speaker 2: a huge labor change everywhere, a big revolution because of
Speaker 2: the fame, because it's basically its most industry is the
Speaker 2: bosses are making hundreds of millions of dollars.
Speaker 3: It's all about stockholders.
Speaker 2: Like I don't understand the people that think the stockholders
Speaker 2: deserve more money than the actors or the writers, Like
Speaker 2: that's great. I don't understand poor people fighting for the
Speaker 2: rich people on social media. That's what's confusing or like
Speaker 2: anti acts, it's so wild.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we like to think about acting and
Speaker 1: writing as art, but when you involve tech companies, it's
Speaker 1: about Wall Street. That's all they care about is what
Speaker 1: you're making next quarter. It's all about money. So it's
Speaker 1: like there's not the same you know, Oh, let's just
Speaker 1: make this movie because this is a movie, a story
Speaker 1: that needs to be told, even if it's not going
Speaker 1: to make a ton of money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's like that kind of mentality is fading away.
Speaker 1: But but it's fine. The goal should be to make money.
Speaker 2: Okay, I believe in that make money, but like to
Speaker 2: not pay the people making it. But this person online
Speaker 2: just said this might be the thing that breaks it up.
Speaker 2: Like open for everyone is because of the fame. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we love famous people, and so when it's recognizable, people
Speaker 2: are striking versus like not famous people in other industries.
Speaker 2: So yeah, hopefully this trickles into everywhere.
Speaker 3: I don't you know.
Speaker 2: It's just like it is like the wildest timing to
Speaker 2: be in a project that comes out the day the.
Speaker 3: Strength rules are enacted.
Speaker 2: Lucky, we got to do one premier party and have
Speaker 2: a great fucking night. But the timing is pretty funny
Speaker 2: for me personally, but everyone believes in it and the
Speaker 2: lead of the everyone is for this strike.
Speaker 1: Now, this is a huge This is a huge moment
Speaker 1: for labor unions all across like the world basically. And
Speaker 1: so if you think, oh my god, this is just
Speaker 1: about snobby actors or people that have a ton of money,
Speaker 1: eighty seven percent of the people in SAG cannot even
Speaker 1: afford the health insurance. That's that don't even make enough
Speaker 1: to qualify for the health insurance, which is twenty six
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. So we're not talking about Jessica Chastain,
Speaker 1: you know, We're talking about like a lot of working
Speaker 1: actors and working writers and people that are just literally
Speaker 1: trying to pay their rents and make the entertainment that
Speaker 1: everyone enjoys. And if we all just want to be
Speaker 1: watching fucking Love Island until we die, we better figure
Speaker 1: this out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like it's not just that the actors,
Speaker 2: it's hair makeup, lighting, the grips, the catering. Someone in government,
Speaker 2: local government in California was like, I mean the restaurant,
Speaker 2: like all these places that we're providing lunch and catering
Speaker 2: are losing money. Like every like there's a Teamsters. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's so many people that make projects. It's not even
Speaker 2: just the actors and writers.
Speaker 1: It's like truly every you know, the the.
Speaker 2: Person that's writing the schedules, like yeah, the PA's it's
Speaker 2: every it's.
Speaker 1: Iatse and Teamsters are up for their negotiations next year.
Speaker 1: So it's like this is really setting the stage for
Speaker 1: like a lot of different things. And I really hope
Speaker 1: that I don't know these evil companies like they I
Speaker 1: feel like they have no recourse. They just give interviews
Speaker 1: where they go this is unrealistic.
Speaker 3: Why.
Speaker 1: I can't say why, Like they have there's they literally
Speaker 1: don't have a leg to stand on. It feels like no,
Speaker 1: but they do have all the power. That's that's they.
Speaker 3: Just say, we don't have any money.
Speaker 1: We don't have any money because like Paramount Plus might
Speaker 1: not be making money, but like the parent company is
Speaker 1: like parent, I think Paramount is making money, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it's just.
Speaker 2: They asked survivor, of course they are. But no, it's
Speaker 2: like these dudes have fucking yachts. They were all at
Speaker 2: a billionaire summit while he was one of them, was
Speaker 2: making all those quotes like yeah, and one of my friends, Juliet,
Speaker 2: she brought up, she's like one of them, Like he
Speaker 2: only makes twenty five million a year, so he probably
Speaker 2: thinks he's not that rich because their brains are broken
Speaker 2: and all his friends have hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he's there, like I'm just I'm not even that rich,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ted Sirrando's Ted Sarandos of Netflix makes twenty million
Speaker 1: base but like fifty million when you get his bonuses
Speaker 1: and his stock options and all.
Speaker 2: The shit of the thing is, why would he get
Speaker 2: bonuses but not the people that made it?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I just want to get into their brains, like I
Speaker 2: don't understand it, But what is their what is their reasoning.
Speaker 3: To think that?
Speaker 2: I mean it's like they don't respect labor obviously, but
Speaker 2: like I just don't under the math. Ain't math in?
Speaker 2: Like how is? How are stockholders have nothing to do
Speaker 2: with it? Like how do they? How do they do
Speaker 2: the mental gymnastics in their head? Like fuck, this show's
Speaker 2: a giant hit. Let's give bonuses to someone who had
Speaker 2: nothing to do, Like I don't understand.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think in his mind he's probably like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm part of a huge team and we green lit
Speaker 1: the project and developed it and marketed it and we
Speaker 1: were a huge part of why it's successful.
Speaker 3: And also we have no money. We are actually really broken.
Speaker 3: We're in the red.
Speaker 1: You know, it's all it is mental gymnastics, Like it's
Speaker 1: bullshit because I just think about some of these shows
Speaker 1: that I'm like obsessed with and mam and I watch
Speaker 1: over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've there's a cartoon I love on that
Speaker 2: I watch to go to bed almost every single night.
Speaker 2: Like those people that created that show and are doing
Speaker 2: the voice like drawing, they how are they not making money?
Speaker 3: I saw what are the creators? What are the creators
Speaker 3: of that show?
Speaker 1: Was at my house the other night, and they told
Speaker 1: me what, Yeah, well you know who I'm talking about?
Speaker 3: Yes, but I don't. You didn't tell me that they
Speaker 3: were at your house.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, actually Labor Union Power Couple, if you
Speaker 1: know who we're talking about.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I heart that show up. I know
Speaker 3: Lisa does.
Speaker 1: And she was telling me that she's an animation and
Speaker 1: she only does union stuff, and that must be really
Speaker 1: difficult because animation is so non union, but they need
Speaker 1: to change too, Like it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And also what I don't get how did the directors
Speaker 2: settle so fast? It's like that hurts a fuck you too.
Speaker 1: A friend of mine who's in the WGA and pretty
Speaker 1: active in the picketing and stuff, told me that she
Speaker 1: heard that they regret it now, Like I think that
Speaker 1: they don't realize that they could. I don't think they
Speaker 1: thought the actors were going to go and now they
Speaker 1: don't realize they're not part of this like massive like movement,
Speaker 1: which they could have been a really helpful part of.
Speaker 2: But well they they could have just joined the writers.
Speaker 2: It's pretty embarrassing that the directors like truly just got
Speaker 2: what they wanted and said fuck you to everyone, because
Speaker 2: guess what, you're not working now either.
Speaker 3: Right right. I just hope it ends quickly.
Speaker 1: We wanted to just give like a quick disclaimer about
Speaker 1: the podcast, like our podcast is not affected by the strike,
Speaker 1: but we do have guests that we have a few
Speaker 1: more guests lefts because you know that we pre tape
Speaker 1: our guests and so we have a few more guests
Speaker 1: left who taped before we ever there was ever a strike.
Speaker 1: We're going to release those episodes, and then after that
Speaker 1: we're going to release a few episodes with some surprises maybe,
Speaker 1: you know, so just stay tuned. Yeah, but just so
Speaker 1: you know, we're not going anywhere. Our pod is good,
Speaker 1: everything's everything's good. But we are going to be striking.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be on the pickets. Stay tuned, and you know,
Speaker 1: where do I find it? It's like, do I really
Speaker 1: have to look at email?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 2: I'm even doubly pissed about this strike. Now I have
Speaker 2: to check my email fucking find locations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know I can't set you right, I'll text
Speaker 3: it to you. I have it.
Speaker 1: I have it because you know, I got to hit
Speaker 1: the fucking pickets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you gotta see who We got to see who's
Speaker 3: out there?
Speaker 1: Please you and I are the biggest, like like have
Speaker 1: binoculars for the celebs, you know.
Speaker 2: I want I want recon jobs though, I want them
Speaker 2: to send me off to do like wild shit, like sneaking,
Speaker 2: like I just want to choke out a CEO. Don't
Speaker 2: cut that Caasy's fight threat.
Speaker 1: I think the exciting stuff at the beginning was that
Speaker 1: people were stopping productions, like they were shutting down productions,
Speaker 1: like they couldn't the teamsters couldn't get in the iatz,
Speaker 1: like the crew couldn't get in, So they were stopping productions.
Speaker 1: And it was like, yeah, we shut down the season
Speaker 1: finale of Evil or whatever. But now everything's pretty much
Speaker 1: shut down. So I think we just to send Lisa
Speaker 1: to choke out CEOs.
Speaker 3: Why don't you just.
Speaker 1: Hang out at like Catch, like a restaurant, like a
Speaker 1: fancy restaurant.
Speaker 3: Oh, you know, it wouldn't with like a blow dart.
Speaker 2: You didn't watch The Real Housewives of New York New
Speaker 2: season didn't, not yet, not yet, but I know that
Speaker 2: there's a reference. Oh Catch is like they're basically like
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be caught dead at Catch. It's not two
Speaker 2: thousand and six. I'm not a Dalist Mott like they
Speaker 2: hate Catch. And it's like, clearly we're going to catch, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well there's one in La.
Speaker 1: There's one in La and it's and everybody says it's
Speaker 1: very beautiful. And my husband used to work for a
Speaker 1: late night talk show and the host loved that place
Speaker 1: and used to do things there all the time. My
Speaker 1: aunt I believe is a small investor in catch. So
Speaker 1: I've been dying to go, never been, but we'll go.
Speaker 2: And then one of the housewives, one of the housewives
Speaker 2: was like, I mean i'd bring tourists visiting from Florida
Speaker 2: and legit our friend and her boyfriend from Florida were
Speaker 2: they're two weeks ago. Yeah, so she was like, that.
Speaker 3: Tracks so funny.
Speaker 1: Well, we've already got the light and the lights were.
Speaker 3: A serious intro.
Speaker 2: Join us next week, you know, hopefully you will all
Speaker 2: our all our peace for more fun updates. I saw
Speaker 2: Broadway shows, I was in New York. You know, there's
Speaker 2: things to share. So yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna get
Speaker 2: it now. Now it's just strike.
Speaker 3: Union.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, check out our tour dates. That's mess up
Speaker 1: live dot com. And and I'll enjoy our gorgeous episode.
Speaker 1: That is a full on classic. Oh key dope, we
Speaker 1: are doing Class today, Season seven, episode seventeen. How am
Speaker 1: I the only one who keeps thinking got no class?
Speaker 1: No from Chicago? Oh I don't whatever happened to class? Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, what ever happened to class? Yes, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: Actually, what I was singing in my head as I
Speaker 1: was pressing snooze on my alarm, and I think it
Speaker 1: was my subconscious brain going, we gotta do class. Get up,
Speaker 1: Get up, ty, get up. Class that works too, say
Speaker 1: by the bell, the new class. I mean, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things. I this is a good one. This
Speaker 1: is a I remember this one from Days of Yours
Speaker 1: from two thousand and six.
Speaker 3: We open on a car pulling up slowly.
Speaker 1: Next to a sex worker, like so many beautiful episodes
Speaker 1: of SPU begin, and I immediately recognized this sex worker
Speaker 1: as Tika Sumpter. I know her originally from Gossip Girl,
Speaker 1: but she's in all the ride along movies, the Sonic,
Speaker 1: the Hedgehog movies with your best friend Ben Schwartz. And
Speaker 1: but a big thing she's in is the Have and
Speaker 1: the have nots.
Speaker 3: Well guess smiler Paris.
Speaker 1: So Casey seems shocked by this Ben Schwartz thing.
Speaker 3: I ran into him on another flight.
Speaker 2: And he is still the nicest celebrity in the world.
Speaker 2: He waited for me at the gate and we walked
Speaker 2: the whole JFK terminal chatting, and when I was saying bye,
Speaker 2: he gave me a hot and I go, you're so nice.
Speaker 3: This is crazy. He goes, oh, what you know, what's up?
Speaker 2: And I go, I go, you're so nice, Like I
Speaker 2: thought when you saw me you would.
Speaker 1: Be like, oh, not this bitch again. She's gonna want
Speaker 1: to talk and he was like no, not at all,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, who are you? And then everyone I've
Speaker 1: told this story about how nice he is, they're like,
Speaker 1: he's so fucking hot and I'm like, yeah, I guess
Speaker 1: he's hot, nice and talented. Anyways, that was an aside
Speaker 1: casey how wild running him on two planes that we're
Speaker 1: plain friends.
Speaker 3: Now those are plane buddies. We're back to the sex
Speaker 3: worker obviously, yes.
Speaker 1: And this was Tika Sumter's first acting gig according to
Speaker 1: her IMDb, so kind of exciting. Her name is Vegas,
Speaker 1: and she's talking to this dude who's like very nervous.
Speaker 1: He obviously hasn't picked someone up before. And she goes, listen,
Speaker 1: whatever happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, and in context,
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: I love that. It's a good line.
Speaker 1: They hear a noise and Vegas is like, oh fuck no,
Speaker 1: that better not be somebody, As she says, some bitch
Speaker 1: work in my stroll. So she starts heading towards this alley,
Speaker 1: like she's truly in like a bikini and a fur coat.
Speaker 1: She's like strutting towards the alley, tits a jiggling. This
Speaker 1: guy runs out, gets into a jeep and speeds off,
Speaker 1: and she's like, that's right, you better run, Like it's
Speaker 1: like just no fear. She looks down to the sidewalk
Speaker 1: gray and sees a blonde girl wrapped in a blanket,
Speaker 1: dead as hell. So now we cut to a uniform
Speaker 1: officer giving Benson and Stabler the rundown. This is a
Speaker 1: rape homicide. Skippy clothes all torn up, dumped under the
Speaker 1: gray on a lover's lane. He says, probably a pross.
Speaker 1: He says, not not my words. His Vegas called it in.
Speaker 1: He calls her your fa your friendly neighborhood hooker. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of little jabs at sex workers here,
Speaker 1: because it is two thousand and six. They're not quite
Speaker 1: where they are now yet. On SVU, you're gonna love this.
Speaker 2: So there's a comic next to me, and then you know,
Speaker 2: our friend Anthony DeVito's sitting with us, and so this
Speaker 2: other friend I go, wow, you look good, you look good,
Speaker 2: and he goes thanks, and he goes, ugh, I just
Speaker 2: got dumped by this stripper. And I go, why is
Speaker 2: that worse than being dumped by anybody else? I can't
Speaker 2: believe you're so anti sex worker? And then Anthony DeVito
Speaker 2: starts laughing. He's like, I've never seen someone get into
Speaker 2: a fight so fast.
Speaker 1: He's like, He's like, it turned in one moment from
Speaker 1: you look good to how dare you?
Speaker 3: One wrong move, one wrong move, Lisa's gonna get you.
Speaker 2: And then this guy's like I dated her. But I
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, but you didn't say I got dumped
Speaker 2: by my girlfriend. You may have point you I got
Speaker 2: dumped by the right shipper.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No one ever sits down and goes, oh, I got
Speaker 1: dumped by a financial analyst. You know, you just say
Speaker 1: I got dumped by my boyfriend. So Vegas doesn't recognize. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that's all we get from Vegas. She doesn't recognize the girl,
Speaker 1: but there have been a lot of newcomers working that
Speaker 1: area lately. There was no purse or id found on
Speaker 1: the victim. When we get to the body, Melinda's already there,
Speaker 1: hard at work talking fluids. She says, no visible fluids,
Speaker 1: but this girl's got something on her fingers that live
Speaker 1: thinks it's like her fingers are torn up and bloody,
Speaker 1: but really it's red paint. She's got red paint on
Speaker 1: her fingers. And Melinda's like, nothing around here looks like
Speaker 1: this color. It must be from where she was killed,
Speaker 1: you know, file that away for later. Strangle marks indicate
Speaker 1: she was killed around midnight or twelve thirty am. And
Speaker 1: then they hear a voice called detectives, and I can
Speaker 1: know immediately from the voice that it is CSU Captain
Speaker 1: Judith Cziper and friend of the pod.
Speaker 3: I know her voice before I even see her.
Speaker 1: And she's like, found the purse, and in the purse
Speaker 1: we've got lipstick, perfume, breath, mint, condoms, no license, but
Speaker 1: a college id from where the fuck else?
Speaker 3: Hudson University.
Speaker 1: Now, the character's name is Caroline Pereira, but her id
Speaker 1: is missing in r and just says Caroline perea So
Speaker 1: just a fuck up from the prop department.
Speaker 3: Come on, guys, let's get it together.
Speaker 1: I know it's two thousand and six and a lot's
Speaker 1: going on, but you know, the twenty four hour news
Speaker 1: cycle and Britney Spears and Paris Hulton and all that
Speaker 1: but like, let's get the names right. So they also
Speaker 1: find her phone. There's a blurry picture on it from
Speaker 1: right around the time of her death. You can't like
Speaker 1: see if it's a person, but there's like a like
Speaker 1: an orb of light in it, and so they're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, did she get a picture of her attacker?
Speaker 1: Boom credits. So now we're with an other Pod buddy,
Speaker 1: Joel de Lafuente. This episode, I wouldn't say is star studded,
Speaker 1: but it's a lot of familiar people to me, like
Speaker 1: Tika sumpter As just like the opening body Finder, she
Speaker 1: has like two million followers on Instagram, like she's a
Speaker 1: star now. So there's a lot of people in here
Speaker 1: that I will go into later that I know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is wild, Like in five years, will we
Speaker 2: just be like they've been on the pod and a
Speaker 2: friend of the pod and another friend of the pod.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope.
Speaker 1: So that's all we'll have. We'll have had everybody. Anyone
Speaker 1: will be a friend of ours. So now we're with
Speaker 1: pod buddy Joel de Lafuente aka Ruben morale Is aka
Speaker 1: Taru and Stablers like can you enhance it? And we
Speaker 1: all know enhancing is like not real, like they did
Speaker 1: it on Adam ruins everything, Like the shit they the
Speaker 1: trope of police procedurals that you can just like click
Speaker 1: a button and all the pixels go away and it's
Speaker 1: a clearer picture is bullshit. And Taru agrees. He's like, listen,
Speaker 1: cell phones take shitty pictures, like I can't do anything
Speaker 1: about it. And the parents are coming to New York
Speaker 1: City to id the body from Lagrange. I google Lagrange
Speaker 1: and there's a Lagrange in Illinois. In Texas, there's like
Speaker 1: a bunch of us, so I wasn't sure where that was.
Speaker 1: But Stabler's like, wow, what a cliche small town girl
Speaker 1: makes money hooking in the big city. And Finn's like,
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first time a college girl's flat backed
Speaker 1: her way to a diploma. Damn, these guys are on
Speaker 1: it with the terms. And at Hudson they find out
Speaker 1: that Caroline was on work study. She washed dishes at
Speaker 1: the cafeteria but quit at the start of the semester.
Speaker 1: That's got to be brutal at a school like Hudson,
Speaker 1: to like be washing dishes for your classmates, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I knew people that were on work study and they
Speaker 1: did tons of stuff. And it wasn't washing dishes for
Speaker 1: like the your because it just seems like it's like
Speaker 1: a richie rich school. So it just feels like it's
Speaker 1: a very big have and have not situation. Speaking of
Speaker 1: Tika Sumpter's former credit so, and I remember I was saying, definitely,
Speaker 1: students worked in the like everyone was working everywhere.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, it just didn't like, yeah, like jobs.
Speaker 1: And my school people had work study jobs all over
Speaker 1: the place. It just wasn't that like it wasn't washing dishes,
Speaker 1: but it was like doing like a lot of other things.
Speaker 1: But so you had so students weren't working in the cafeterias. No, No,
Speaker 1: that was like fully staff like there was like employees
Speaker 1: of a company because they were a separate company, like
Speaker 1: you didn't work for the school, like they worked for
Speaker 1: a company called like Marriott. And I because I remember
Speaker 1: I had a jacket that said Marmott and one of
Speaker 1: the ladies. We loved this one lady and she was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I love your jacket. It says Marriott.
Speaker 1: I was like, it says Marmott, But I do love
Speaker 1: you guys. I don't have a Marriott jacket. But I
Speaker 1: love you guys, and we like gave her a big
Speaker 1: present when we graduated. We were like obsessed with this
Speaker 1: one woman that worked at the cave. Now I'm an
Speaker 1: asshole that's forgetting her name, but they don't.
Speaker 2: I you're such an asshole you don't remember her name
Speaker 2: from twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: But like we loved her, like we always said hi
Speaker 1: to her. She was so nice and like we gave
Speaker 1: her like this big like I think we just, like
Speaker 1: our whole class like put together money for her at
Speaker 1: the end of the year because we were like, she rules.
Speaker 3: I wonder if the other employees are like damn, I know,
Speaker 3: they're probably like fuck that.
Speaker 1: There was also a guy behind the grill that everybody
Speaker 1: really loved, who made the chopped chicken and cheese for everybody.
Speaker 2: Anyway, my favorite was weekends. We had an omelet bar.
Speaker 1: I don't want to brag, but we had an omelet
Speaker 1: bar all the time. I just love an omelet bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or where when we play in San Diego that hotel
Speaker 2: has an omelet bar.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember we go outside and.
Speaker 3: Have an omelet Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like that because I don't think I would order
Speaker 2: an omelet, but if I see a station, I'm running.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like because there's never like I mean, so
Speaker 1: I guess sometimes there is on the menu, it's never
Speaker 1: the exact omelet you want. And then at the omelet bar,
Speaker 1: it's your world. But back to this story. They the
Speaker 1: woman that they're talking to is the burser at this college,
Speaker 1: and she's like, they don't have to work at the
Speaker 1: school as long as the bill gets paid and Caroline
Speaker 1: payter bills. And she did it in cash, baby, And
Speaker 1: they're like, you don't care how a twenty year old
Speaker 1: came in yere fifteen thousand dollars in cash. She's like,
Speaker 1: none of my business as long as it's American green, baby,
Speaker 1: and they I keep interrupting.
Speaker 2: So our friend Julia, when I met her, she was
Speaker 2: working at like the student affairs office at the college
Speaker 2: I went to, Yeah, so that's how we kind of met.
Speaker 2: But because I was just paying my tuition with checks,
Speaker 2: she thought I was like, you know, and it's the
Speaker 2: north Shore.
Speaker 3: She just thought I was like a rich, spoiled north
Speaker 3: Shore girl.
Speaker 2: And then cut to us becoming friends and her meeting
Speaker 2: my senior citizens Soviet parents and she was like, this
Speaker 2: is not what I expected with you just paying tuition.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I ruined my parents' life, like
Speaker 2: I am a spoiled brat and they needed me to graduate.
Speaker 2: But they did pay for college, which is incredible, and
Speaker 2: I apologize to them all the time. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 2: so sorry. I could have gone to any old school.
Speaker 1: You're going to get them back. Didn't you bought your
Speaker 1: dad a Faberge egg. I think you guys are even.
Speaker 3: I think an apology is worth a lot to them.
Speaker 2: But it was funny, she said before we got to
Speaker 2: be friends that she just thought I was like the
Speaker 2: richest girl in school paying tuition.
Speaker 1: That's so funny because did you have your like little
Speaker 1: blonde highlights and you were like o'ous fresh from a
Speaker 1: White Sox game.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have well, But the thing is I didn't
Speaker 2: have a north Face fleece. I had a Columbia fleece.
Speaker 2: And that means you're poor where I come. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. Yes, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You know what, I always think of as rich people
Speaker 1: because I have a few rich friends, people that like
Speaker 1: read and this actually is you too, Lisa, So maybe
Speaker 1: like I'm maybe I'm this is my friends that are rich,
Speaker 1: like would always just reach into their bags and there
Speaker 1: would be cash, just like cash floating around, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: my cash is in my wallet like lined up, I
Speaker 1: know exactly how much is there?
Speaker 3: Lisa just.
Speaker 1: She just flashed to the camera a lot of f
Speaker 1: random money. But that's different for you because you get
Speaker 1: paid in cash a lot from from stand up, Like
Speaker 1: my rich friends would just like reach into a bag
Speaker 1: like a toad and it would be like an expensive
Speaker 1: skin cream and then just like twenties and fives just
Speaker 1: like everywhere, and I'd be like, wow, you just have
Speaker 1: money in there, like it's a wadded up tissue.
Speaker 2: And you know what's even sexier is paying in cash.
Speaker 2: Nothing like putting a few hundreds down at dinner.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's like one of the best parts
Speaker 2: of New York is getting spot pay and it's cash
Speaker 2: and you just are like, is this even real?
Speaker 3: It feels like monopoly And I.
Speaker 1: Don't know, Yeah, it's nice because you kind of have
Speaker 1: your balance in your head and like when you spend
Speaker 1: money like on cards or like Venmo you like your
Speaker 1: balance goes down when it's cash, it's like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: just floating. I'm just still where I want, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it's like cash is just carrying you through. I
Speaker 1: never have cash on me, and it's like I'm getting
Speaker 1: it for something I would probably do for free.
Speaker 3: I know I would. I did it for years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just to get this cash always feels feels nice.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Well the Bling Ring documentary about those girls,
Speaker 1: like that group, they said when they went into Paris
Speaker 1: Hilton's house and were like going through her purses, it
Speaker 1: was just hundreds and hundreds of extra cash in all
Speaker 1: these purses, just in pans that you like the way
Speaker 1: that you find a fiver and you're like, yay, cool,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a good day.
Speaker 3: She said, oh my god. Yeah, yeah, that's we're okay.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of speaking of a richie rich people, this
Speaker 1: Burster tells the cops that Caroline Perrera has a roommate
Speaker 1: named Gloria Colhane. So now we go visit Gloria and
Speaker 1: she is classic college bitch, Like she's wearing kind of
Speaker 1: like a matching like it looks like it would be
Speaker 1: a juicy cature sweatsuit and like baby pink, but it's
Speaker 1: like it doesn't have like a like a juicy on
Speaker 1: the late, like it's probably even more like a super
Speaker 1: expensive label. And she's like Caroline, she has just has
Speaker 1: like she's beautiful. This actress is Trieste Kelly Dunn, and
Speaker 1: she just has like a classic like good bitch, like
Speaker 1: villainy face, like I can almost like tell she's involved immediately.
Speaker 3: And fashion is so of this era.
Speaker 2: It is her face, her makeup, her hair, everything about
Speaker 2: her is perfect rich these this is a rich girl.
Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, yeah, this girl's got twenties and fifties
Speaker 1: fucking floating around her bag. And she's like Caroline and
Speaker 1: I never hung out. We run in different circles. And
Speaker 1: it's like what a way to say she's trash and
Speaker 1: I'm you're up. She's basically like I'm up here, Bethany,
Speaker 1: and you're down here. Vinn compliments a big ass ring
Speaker 1: on Gloria's finger and then she's like thanks, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of weird. It's like on her pointer and it's
Speaker 1: this big ass like diamond. Gloria explains that she spent
Speaker 1: last semester in France and she forgot to fill out
Speaker 1: the housing form, which is why she's in this shitty
Speaker 1: dorm with a stranger. And I just like, kind of,
Speaker 1: I'm like, you seem very rich, Like you would not
Speaker 1: be with a stranger at Hudson University. You'd be in
Speaker 1: an apartment, like your parents would get you an apartment.
Speaker 3: But I guess we'd.
Speaker 1: All but I think some parents want their kids to
Speaker 1: have a real experience, because I remember Madonna's daughter went
Speaker 1: to like you, University of Michigan or something, and I
Speaker 1: think she was just in the dorms, like trying to
Speaker 1: be normal or I'm ring folly. Yeah, no, that could
Speaker 1: be true, but like Michigan would be a good place
Speaker 1: to be in the dorms. It's like there's like a city,
Speaker 1: Like you're in New York City and you're rich. Like
Speaker 1: people at NYU only stay in the dorms for like
Speaker 1: one year. In my college, we were in the dorms
Speaker 1: all four years. We wanted to stay on doors. I
Speaker 1: get like we wanted it, Like it's like I'm in Hartford,
Speaker 1: I want to get an apartment, not really, you know,
Speaker 1: like in New York, I feel like everybody wants to
Speaker 1: kind of like get out. But whatever we're going with
Speaker 1: the story that she's in, like, you know, a fucking
Speaker 1: dorm with a stranger. And she says, all I know
Speaker 1: is about her is that she went out a lot,
Speaker 1: and I have no clue where she stayed out late,
Speaker 1: and she would look like shit going to class. Then Finn,
Speaker 1: speaking of finding cash, I didn't even like, we didn't
Speaker 1: even set this up. Finn finds a fat stack of
Speaker 1: cash in this girl's like little dorm room closet, and.
Speaker 3: She's like, I like the girl.
Speaker 1: Gloria goes, I doubt it came from your parents, like
Speaker 1: they're poor, Ill. And they find a picture of Caroline
Speaker 1: and some dude and are like, oh, is this her boyfriend?
Speaker 1: And Gloria's like, no, that's her best friend. They just
Speaker 1: went to high school together and he also goes to Hudson.
Speaker 1: So now we're walking and talking to Adam, the guy
Speaker 1: from the picture, and he's really broken up about Caroline dying.
Speaker 3: They've been friends since childhood.
Speaker 1: This actor is named will Estes, like the name is familiar.
Speaker 1: He has like such a forgettable face, like I cannot
Speaker 1: memorize it, Like from scene to scene, I'm like, who
Speaker 1: is that? Like I have like prosopagnosia with this man,
Speaker 1: which is face blindness, what Brad Pitt has. I think
Speaker 1: you can take a drink because that's a wild word.
Speaker 1: He just said, Oh gus. I tried to do a
Speaker 1: joke about it for a long time, like Brad Pitt
Speaker 1: has prosopagnosia, which is face blindness. Like he says he
Speaker 1: can't remember people, and I'm like, I think you're just
Speaker 1: rich and don't care about memorizing people that aren't important.
Speaker 2: But I think it's meeting a lot of people. I think,
Speaker 2: if you because I'm I used to be so good
Speaker 2: at remembering everybody, right, And I think with our line
Speaker 2: of work and like traveling and show you, we do
Speaker 2: meet so many people that I've gotten worse at it.
Speaker 2: I have, Yeah, And it's also so famous famous.
Speaker 1: No at our meet and green, I'm always like, you
Speaker 1: came to the show last time, right, And like half
Speaker 1: the time I'm right, and half the time they're like
Speaker 1: no first time, Like I think I know people, but
Speaker 1: you know, also some people just have those faces anyway.
Speaker 3: I just never understood.
Speaker 2: But that's why it's more impressive when you hear about
Speaker 2: the Bill Clinton's the Tom Hanks when they remember everybody everybody, Yeah,
Speaker 2: for decades, Like yeah, that truly is impressive because the
Speaker 2: amount of people Brad Pitt meets and what an effect
Speaker 2: he has on them. I can't imagine. I would say
Speaker 2: a million people a year. Yeah, maybe that's well.
Speaker 3: This guy will stays.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he meets as many people, but
Speaker 1: he is a regular on Blue Bloods. He's been on
Speaker 1: like two hundred plus episodes of Blue blood So if
Speaker 1: your mom's listening to the podcast, she probably knows who
Speaker 1: this guy is. I just hear blue Bloods is a
Speaker 1: parent show. Anyway, they ask him about the money, and
Speaker 1: he says, well, Caroline said she had a new job.
Speaker 1: And they tell him, well, we found her in an
Speaker 1: area known for sex work and he's like, no way,
Speaker 1: she would never And he says he has no idea
Speaker 1: how she got the cash. And they tell him they're
Speaker 1: going to bring him downtown and he caves immediately and
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, all right, Caroline's been selling term papers.
Speaker 1: The school lot started an investigation, and a professor named
Speaker 1: doctor Feruke is leading the charge.
Speaker 3: Boom, Okay, that never happened.
Speaker 1: When I went to college, Like people either just like
Speaker 1: cheated offline or whatever, you just like didn't buy a
Speaker 1: paper from someone else. But now talking to doctor Feruke,
Speaker 1: who is I mean now with chat GPT, like I
Speaker 1: feel like professors are fucked, Like kids are just going
Speaker 1: to totally have everything written by a robot. But now
Speaker 1: we're talking to doctor Feruke, who's explaining that plagiarism is
Speaker 1: an epidemic at Hudson. I'm like, you know what else
Speaker 1: is an epidemic at Hudson sexual assault, and you guys
Speaker 1: are doing there is no investigation being launched.
Speaker 3: It's like so funny to me.
Speaker 1: She goes, the internet has only made it easier to
Speaker 1: buy and sell academic work.
Speaker 3: I mean, doctor Feruke.
Speaker 1: Is not psyched about chat GPT if she's still working today.
Speaker 1: She shows them this program that she has that like
Speaker 1: you know, probably borrows from AI, where she scans the
Speaker 1: papers and can find unoriginal material and patterns to find
Speaker 1: out who's plagiarizing. So she shows them like, see, these
Speaker 1: three students are an example, and they've all cheated, but
Speaker 1: none of them wrote the original paper, and I just
Speaker 1: have to find out who did, and I'll expel all
Speaker 1: of them. And so they ask her about Caroline, and
Speaker 1: she said, oh no, she took my class last semester.
Speaker 1: She's an excellent student, her work is wholly original. She
Speaker 1: would never need to cheat. But like, I don't think
Speaker 1: she suspects that Caroline is the source of the cheating,
Speaker 1: like she's the one giving the papers. Stabler's like, I
Speaker 1: need the three people's names who cheated. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's like really random, this one, Like she's been selling
Speaker 1: them all over school. You need these three people's names.
Speaker 1: But anyway, it's kind of a reach for me police
Speaker 1: work wise. But he shows up to a deli where
Speaker 1: some stoner is like singing the praises of Pepper and Chini.
Speaker 1: His name is Mark Duffy, and he's like, I need
Speaker 1: to talk to you. And Mark looks nervous as hell.
Speaker 1: He's like in the middle of manny'sing down a six
Speaker 1: inch and he looks really nervous. And so he's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I had bought one term paper from Caroline?
Speaker 3: Is that a crime?
Speaker 1: And they're going through a bunch of different interviews here,
Speaker 1: you know, they're doing that thing or they cut to
Speaker 1: different people. So now we cut to this douchebag taking
Speaker 1: a break from playing squash, and I don't want to brag,
Speaker 1: but my alma mater, Trinity College, was the number one
Speaker 1: squash school for.
Speaker 3: A really long time. That was like our claim to fame.
Speaker 3: It was like Trinity versus Stanford for best in squash.
Speaker 3: So crazy.
Speaker 1: I don't even really fully understand how you play squash,
Speaker 1: but you hit a ball against a wall. So he
Speaker 1: explains that you just emailed Caroline your assignment what you needed.
Speaker 1: She'd send you back two options. You pay for the
Speaker 1: one you like. And he's like, you just paid to
Speaker 1: a pay me pronto dot com account, which that sounds
Speaker 1: really lame. Payipronto dot com, But in two thousand and six,
Speaker 1: like we didn't really have like venmo or I mean,
Speaker 1: PayPal was probably a new thing, so kind of high
Speaker 1: tech that she's getting paid on paymipronto dot com And
Speaker 1: it was two hundred dollars of paper, which with inflation
Speaker 1: you'd have to say now would be like four hundred
Speaker 1: maybe five hundred. Now we're talking to some girl who's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pre med I don't have time to read The
Speaker 1: Fairy Queen and write about the imagery of virtue for
Speaker 1: some redictable, ridiculous English requirement and I was like, Lol,
Speaker 1: that was my entire major, so hilarious. That's what I
Speaker 1: spent all the money on. Stabler tells this girl, well,
Speaker 1: Caroline was murdered, and then she gets like really quiet
Speaker 1: and goes, I gotta go, and Stabler's like, okay, you
Speaker 1: can't like act so obvious in front of the cops,
Speaker 1: like why are you so spooked? And she goes because
Speaker 1: of Brian and explains that Brian Tausend is in Feruk's
Speaker 1: class two and bought a bunch of papers off of Caroline.
Speaker 1: He got really nervous when Feruk started investigating and said
Speaker 1: he was going to take care of the problem. So
Speaker 1: now we're at a bar with a pool table and
Speaker 1: this guy with a spiky flat top, flat on top
Speaker 1: hair is like, so I bought papers, it's not a crime,
Speaker 1: and Finn's like, well, Caroline was murdered, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I didn't kill her.
Speaker 3: I was going to bribe her.
Speaker 1: I offered her one thousand dollars to keep quiet, and
Speaker 1: she laughed in his face and started waving that huge
Speaker 1: diamond ring around and said it would take a lot
Speaker 1: more than a g to keep her ass quiet, and
Speaker 1: Finn's like, sounds like the ring Gloria was wearing, but
Speaker 1: bah bah bah making connections, and the guy's like, oh,
Speaker 1: Gloria's bought papers off Caroline. She's bought more papers than
Speaker 1: anyone off Caroline, and she was freaking out about the investigation.
Speaker 1: So now uh, back to go talk to bitchy micmitch face.
Speaker 1: They bust into the lecture hall. It's like, so it's
Speaker 1: fluorescent lighting. It's full professor Like. I know that they
Speaker 1: shoot on location at an actual lecture hall because it's
Speaker 1: so real, like just that lighting when you're so hungover
Speaker 1: and you have to like listen to a professor talk
Speaker 1: like oh, I was getting flashbacks.
Speaker 3: So there's some professors droning on.
Speaker 1: Gloria looks bored as fucked, and then the cops just
Speaker 1: walk up to her and are like we need to talk,
Speaker 1: and she's like, I'm not going anywhere. She is just
Speaker 1: like really fun to watch, like she has no fear
Speaker 1: of cops or authority. She's like, what bye, I'm busy
Speaker 1: like and stables. She's rich, Yeah, exactly, she's privilege. It's
Speaker 1: full privilege. And that's like why the episode's called class.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's a double entendre this class college
Speaker 1: and there's class like the different classes of all these kids.
Speaker 1: So Stabler's like, sweetie, to rest you here in front
Speaker 1: of everyone and take you out of here in cuffs.
Speaker 3: You want that?
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh bye, big eye. Roll goes with them,
Speaker 1: and Finn goes to the rest of the class, sorry
Speaker 1: for interrupting. Stay in school. Amazing. I love a Finn
Speaker 1: telling everyone to stay in school. And so that's the
Speaker 1: end of act one, is taking this little bitch out
Speaker 1: of her college class. So now at the top of
Speaker 1: back two, Gloria is an interrogation like this is crazy.
Speaker 1: I would never kill anyone. The ring was just sitting
Speaker 1: on Caroline's dresser, so I borrowed it, Like what do
Speaker 1: you care? And they're like, where were you last night?
Speaker 1: And she goes a cappella rehearsal, which I fucking love.
Speaker 1: Of course, this bitch does acapella, Like of course. When
Speaker 1: I was in college, I actually tried out for the
Speaker 1: a cappella group and I got a callback and went
Speaker 1: to an all day audition and then didn't get it,
Speaker 1: and I was devastated. I just want everyone to know
Speaker 1: that acapella has a real It's a real trigger for
Speaker 1: me because I was very close but I didn't get in.
Speaker 3: And they like it was like the one.
Speaker 1: All girl group that was like all gorgeous girls, like
Speaker 1: Rachel Platten was in this acappella group. The pop star.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's kind of a pop star. She was
Speaker 1: in Taylor's gang for like five seconds, but she was
Speaker 1: in this one at my college, so of course she
Speaker 1: does a cappella. She says, I didn't like Caroline, but
Speaker 1: I had no reason to kill her. And they're like, well,
Speaker 1: you were about to get expelled with this cheating scandal,
Speaker 1: and she's like, lol, Hudson doesn't expel anyone. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they've let so many rapists go back to lacrosse practice
Speaker 1: like nothing ever happened. I don't know why anyone thinks
Speaker 1: that anyone's getting expelled. Gloria explains, like, yeah, high grades
Speaker 1: keep parents happy, happy, parents are big donors, Like the
Speaker 1: school doesn't really give a shit about cheating. Then points out, oh, well,
Speaker 1: your family has a building named after you, and a
Speaker 1: couple of wings and a hospital and a museum.
Speaker 3: See what I mean.
Speaker 1: A girl with a wing named after her at the
Speaker 1: college is not going to be in a dorm room
Speaker 1: with a stranger. Like she's going to call the school
Speaker 1: and go give me my own like double and I'll
Speaker 1: live in it by myself that her parents will. I mean,
Speaker 1: so if Caroline talked and you got kicked out of school,
Speaker 1: that would really fuck up your future. And she's like,
Speaker 1: do you guys honestly think I could kill Caroline? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I guess you just don't know what seen,
Speaker 1: because yes, they think that you could definitely kill Caroline.
Speaker 1: They go, why don't we just call the press, call
Speaker 1: Han heiress in murder investigation? And it's like, oh, I wrote,
Speaker 1: I wrote in my notes plot hole. She's an heiress.
Speaker 1: Why would she be in campus housing? So obviously this
Speaker 1: was a big thing for me as I was taking
Speaker 1: my notes. And she goes, wait, wait, don't call anyone.
Speaker 1: So obviously the press thing does scare her a little bit,
Speaker 1: and Finn goes to check on her acappella alibi and
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, okay, tell me what's up. Gloria starts to
Speaker 1: spill to Stabler that Caroline bragged about ripping off a rich,
Speaker 1: famous guy for the ring. All she said was that
Speaker 1: he'd wake up the next morning and miss it real bad.
Speaker 1: So now we're walking her out and she's like, I
Speaker 1: told you my alibi was good, and Finn goes singing
Speaker 1: the Indigo Girls in five part harmony.
Speaker 3: That's painful. Ah fa, that is meant for you.
Speaker 1: That sentence is meant for you, and this sentence is
Speaker 1: meant for me, Like put it on a T shirt
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: Like, wait, have I seen the video where it's like
Speaker 2: Sarah Paul Sin take Nataro, all these people in a
Speaker 2: party bus going to the Indigo Girls concert or like
Speaker 2: home from It all sing and they're all singing a song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure they're all singing like Galileo or something.
Speaker 1: I love the Indigo Girls and I see if I
Speaker 1: try like five times. I'm a big Indigo Girls fan.
Speaker 1: I watched them live during the pandemic and was like
Speaker 1: crying because I was like, what's happening to the world,
Speaker 1: Like I love the Indigo Girls and I love that.
Speaker 1: Finn's like, fuck the Indigo Girls. So Stabler goes, well, listen,
Speaker 1: we might need to talk to you again, so don't
Speaker 1: hop on any flights to France, and she goes, mmm.
Speaker 1: Cop comedian is there anything you don't do? It's like, yes, parents, children,
Speaker 1: but also this girl is so funny to me. I
Speaker 1: like love that she's just like tossing it back in
Speaker 1: Stabler's face. Finn tel's Stabler. He talked to some connects
Speaker 1: about the ring and it's a double D. It stands
Speaker 1: for Stabler, goes, I think there's a different sizing system
Speaker 1: for rings, Finn, I don't think it's the same as
Speaker 1: tits like, it's such a stupid comment, and Finn's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's double D is diamond Dove. He's an Israeli jeweler
Speaker 1: to the Star Stars, which sounds like they're referencing Jacob
Speaker 1: the jeweler, who's like a famous jeweler who you know,
Speaker 1: makes rings for athletes, rappers, famous people of all stripes.
Speaker 1: So if Caroline was turning tricks, maybe she stole the
Speaker 1: ring from a John, a rich and famous john. Maybe
Speaker 1: she set up a meet to return the ring. She
Speaker 1: shows up empty handed. He loses control and apparently this
Speaker 1: ring is worth about one hundred thousand dollars. If it's custom,
Speaker 1: double d diamond Dove can tell us who he made
Speaker 1: it for. So now we're at Diamond Dove's shop. He
Speaker 1: makes art, he says, and the celebrities around the world
Speaker 1: are his collectors, and he's not about to give the
Speaker 1: cops any personal information on any of his clients. And
Speaker 1: Stabler goes, why don't I call the irs, And Dove's like,
Speaker 1: hold on a minute, let me give you some personal
Speaker 1: information on my clients. Like immediately is like, let's chill out,
Speaker 1: and folds and he's like, I made this ring for
Speaker 1: a football player named Roddy Franklin. We cool cool, So
Speaker 1: Stableer and Finn both know exactly who Roddy is and
Speaker 1: they know all his playing stats. He's a wide receiver
Speaker 1: for New Jersey. New Jersey doesn't have an NFL team,
Speaker 1: but I guess the Jets maybe playing New Jersey anyway.
Speaker 1: He's got one thousand yards nine touchdowns last season. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't care what any of this means. They go
Speaker 1: to Roddy's house and the actor playing him is Matthew
Speaker 1: Saint Patrick, who I recognize from Six Feet Under. He
Speaker 1: is was Michael Seahall's boyfriend on that show in the
Speaker 1: first season at least. And his two sons are like
Speaker 1: playing football and spazing in the living room and They
Speaker 1: show him the ring and he's like, oh, where'd you
Speaker 1: find this? And he's like, I don't. I must have
Speaker 1: lost it. I travel a lot. They say, where did
Speaker 1: you go two nights ago? And he says, I took
Speaker 1: the kids to their grandma's with my wife. He says
Speaker 1: he's never seen Caroline before. When they show a picture
Speaker 1: and now Finn is talking to the wife and she
Speaker 1: corroborates the grandma story and she's like, oh, the ring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't surprised that thing got stolen.
Speaker 1: I told him it was dumbed to buy a ring
Speaker 1: that costs more than our first home. And so back
Speaker 1: to Stabler and Roddy and he's like, oh, okay, so
Speaker 1: she must have been the one who found my lost ring.
Speaker 3: Give me your name. I'll send her a reward.
Speaker 1: So Stabler goes make it out to Caroline Pereira in
Speaker 1: Care of the Afterlife. He never stops work, shopping jokes.
Speaker 1: Stabler tells him that she was murdered and that the
Speaker 1: ring is evidence in a homicide. You'll have to wait
Speaker 1: till we find the killer. Outside, Stabler talks to Finn
Speaker 1: and we can tell we're outside like a mansion. We
Speaker 1: walk past a sports car. This guy's got money, money, money,
Speaker 1: and they're like, this guy loses a rock worth one
Speaker 1: hundred K and doesn't report it, Like they think maybe
Speaker 1: Franklin is caroline sugar daddy, and he's like not telling
Speaker 1: them obviously. Back at the sixteenth Precinct, Craigan's like, all right,
Speaker 1: what do we know about this dude? And they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: he keeps a low profile. After that thing that happened
Speaker 1: with a stripper a few years back, his wife caught
Speaker 1: him and bought He bought his wife a diamond necklace
Speaker 1: that costs more than an aircraft carrier to make up
Speaker 1: for it. Maybe this was a mistake he couldn't afford.
Speaker 1: He had to make Caroline disappear. Stabler comes in with
Speaker 1: a lead. Caroline was in Atlantic City at the same
Speaker 1: time as Roddy a few weeks back, and that's a
Speaker 1: great place to take a mistress. People are discreet there,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't think I think of the
Speaker 1: word discreet when I think of Atlantic City, but I
Speaker 1: guess in terms of you know, affairs. Now they're in
Speaker 1: Atlantic City and the guy at the Hotel del Mar
Speaker 1: tells them that Roddy is a frequent guest and recently
Speaker 1: was in town for a celeb poker tournament two months ago.
Speaker 1: The guy recognizes Caroline immediately and asks, oh, did he
Speaker 1: finally catch up with her? And they tell him, uh, well,
Speaker 1: she's dead, and he's like, I got something you got
Speaker 1: to see. So cuts to them watching security footage of
Speaker 1: Caroline and Roddy gambling in a private high stakes room
Speaker 1: high rollers only, and he comes there. He came there
Speaker 1: after this celebrity tournament that he was playing in, and
Speaker 1: they're like, what about Caroline, how'd she get in the game,
Speaker 1: and he goes, oh, she's down here every other weekend,
Speaker 1: like we comp her, meals, her room, like.
Speaker 3: She's a player.
Speaker 1: On the tape, they see Roddy betting his ring because
Speaker 1: he had a great hand, but then Caroline beats him
Speaker 1: with an even better hand and then she puts the
Speaker 1: ring on, and in the video she's in his face
Speaker 1: being like Nana, Nana, Nana, I got your ring, like
Speaker 1: she's super taunting him and he looks pissed. So they
Speaker 1: show up in the locker room now to talk to Roddy.
Speaker 1: He's got one of those leather jackets on that has
Speaker 1: like big fur trim and he's like telling all his
Speaker 1: buddies some kind of big story. Everyone's listening to him
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and then they're like, we got
Speaker 1: to talk to you. So they all head outside and
Speaker 1: they're like, Roddy, start talking. We've got you on tape
Speaker 1: with a girl you told us you didn't even know.
Speaker 1: Why did you lie to us? He goes, because I
Speaker 1: wasn't supposed to be there. The league has me on
Speaker 1: probation for gambling. I obviously am best friends with Amanda
Speaker 1: Rollins and I have a problem. They let him play
Speaker 1: in these charity tournaments because all the money goes to
Speaker 1: people in need, Like I can't keep any of the money.
Speaker 1: But then this girl fleeced me at the table. If
Speaker 1: the commissioner finds out about it, I'm gonna get fined.
Speaker 3: I could get suspended.
Speaker 1: So he is nervous and they're like, okay, well a
Speaker 1: murder charge will also be bad. And he's like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I did not kill this bitch. And he goes, but
Speaker 1: I know who did, so he tells them it's got
Speaker 1: to be this guy who runs the underground poker game.
Speaker 1: Roddy was like, I tried to buy the ring back
Speaker 1: from Caroline, but she said I had to win it back,
Speaker 1: so I invited her to a private game in New
Speaker 1: York City.
Speaker 3: But she was a ringer. She was beating everyone.
Speaker 1: She became a regular, and he eventually figured that he
Speaker 1: would get his ring back at some point, so like whatever.
Speaker 1: A couple nights ago, she had a streak of really
Speaker 1: bad luck and owed the house one hundred and fifty k,
Speaker 1: and the guy that runs the game said she had
Speaker 1: twenty four hours to pay the money back or else.
Speaker 3: I don't really know.
Speaker 1: If bookies like kill people, like we did another episode
Speaker 1: about this where they were like dead men don't pay
Speaker 1: their debts. Like you could kill someone, but you don't
Speaker 1: get your one hundred and fifty k back, so it's
Speaker 1: better to just like terrorize them and like threaten their
Speaker 1: family and stuff until they come up with the money,
Speaker 1: you know. But that's just what I've learned from SVU.
Speaker 1: I obviously am not a in a professional gambling ring,
Speaker 1: though I could. I'm really addicted to gambling. This guy,
Speaker 1: his name is Riley. He says he's got ice water
Speaker 1: in his veins. It's like he can kill you and
Speaker 1: order out for pizza right after he lives very close
Speaker 1: by to where they found Caroline's body. Cut to them
Speaker 1: raiding Riley's game, and it's hard to tell this, but
Speaker 1: Riley is played by an actor named Nick Sandau, who
Speaker 1: is Capudo from Orange Is the New Black.
Speaker 3: You can't really tell because he has no facial hairy.
Speaker 1: He just looks so different, like he's kind of a
Speaker 1: man who without a mustache. It's like a different face.
Speaker 1: And he's like, what the hell's going on here? This
Speaker 1: is a friendly social gathering. Nothing's going on on and
Speaker 1: they go, yeah, friends don't steal friends life savings, and
Speaker 1: that's Finn says that as he's cuffing Riley out in
Speaker 1: the alley, Stabler notices check this out. There's a wall
Speaker 1: covered in red paint like what was on Caroline's hands
Speaker 1: and under her nails when they found her body. So
Speaker 1: done done, maybe she was killed there. Cut to the
Speaker 1: holding cell and Riley is like, call my lawyer. You're
Speaker 1: gonna pay for this, YadA, YadA, YadA. He tells Finn
Speaker 1: to shove it up his ass, and Finn is about
Speaker 1: to like maybe punch him through the bars when Daddy
Speaker 1: Craigan intervenes and goes my office, which we all know
Speaker 1: what that means. In Craigan's office, there's a guy from
Speaker 1: the Secret Service and he goes Riley's with us, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, the Secret Service, Like he's a federal agent
Speaker 1: named Doug Kirsten, That's who Capudo is. And they're like,
Speaker 1: he's been undercover targeting underground gambling clubs. Why would the
Speaker 1: Secret Service have anything to do with that? Like, was
Speaker 1: this just supposed to say FBI.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought the Secret Service was just to protect politicians
Speaker 1: and the president and his family and stuff.
Speaker 3: So I'm confused about that.
Speaker 1: But then I think Finn goes of all the gin
Speaker 1: joints in this city. We had to walk into yours,
Speaker 1: which is a twist on a quote from Casablanca. And
Speaker 1: you've got to give it to Finn. Indigo girls, Casablanca.
Speaker 1: He's got all the cultural references and.
Speaker 3: A big Finn episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stay in school, Indigo girls. You know, he assures them,
Speaker 1: Doug Curson is not your killer, Like he'll brief you guys,
Speaker 1: but we got to keep his cover because like this
Speaker 1: is a you know, it's always like this is a
Speaker 1: three year operation. You can't blow it. So they do
Speaker 1: this whole charade where like they lead him out of
Speaker 1: the precinct and they're talking shit to each other walking
Speaker 1: him to the elevator, and then right before the doors closed,
Speaker 1: he goes ATREUM fifty six and fifth, nine am tomorrow.
Speaker 1: So now we're at this place in full public. I
Speaker 1: don't know why they're not in somewhere private, but we're
Speaker 1: walking and talking with the cops over coffee. He basically
Speaker 1: admits that he did dump the body. He says, one
Speaker 1: of my bouncers was there, and he wouldn't believe that
Speaker 1: I would call the cops because like we're all criminals,
Speaker 1: you know. So he didn't want to blow a fifteen
Speaker 1: month investigation, so he left her under the grate to
Speaker 1: try to preserve evidence. And he doesn't feel good about it,
Speaker 1: but he was trying to like, you know, keep chain
Speaker 1: of custody and have her be found quickly, but not
Speaker 1: you know, give up that he's a cop. So Caroline
Speaker 1: left the club. They heard yelling in the alley. He
Speaker 1: went to go check it out. They found her dead,
Speaker 1: the killer gone. So he tells them that Caroline also
Speaker 1: gambled online and that she had just been booted from
Speaker 1: a website called pokerfastlane dot com. Two good websites, Pay
Speaker 1: Me Pronto pokerfastlane dot com. You know, s Fu always
Speaker 1: coming up with these good URLs she got and Finn goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get kicked off of those sites for cheating, And
Speaker 1: Kirsten goes and he was like, how do you cheat online?
Speaker 1: And Kirsten's like, you cheat online the same way you
Speaker 1: do in real life. Two people sit at separate computers
Speaker 1: and they're working together. So Caroline had a silent partner,
Speaker 1: and with her dead and the partner a secret, the debt,
Speaker 1: it disappears and it's the hell of a motive to
Speaker 1: kill someone. So now Taru is taking us through the
Speaker 1: stats on Caroline's pokerfastlane dot com account, and every time
Speaker 1: Caroline logged on, so did a user with the id
Speaker 1: Jack King. And Stabler goes, well, that's got to be
Speaker 1: a code name. It's like, good job, Stabler, Jack King. Yes,
Speaker 1: definitely a code name on a poker site. He's got
Speaker 1: a log back on at some point to try to score,
Speaker 1: So let's smoke him out invite him to a game.
Speaker 1: But the invite has to come from someone who he knows.
Speaker 1: Let's have Riley do it cut to a private gambling party.
Speaker 1: Finn and Stabler are at the table undercover. They get
Speaker 1: a buzz for someone to be let in and it's
Speaker 1: Jack King. When he walks in, Stabler turns around and
Speaker 1: goes hi, Jack, and immediately recognizes it's Adam Done Done,
Speaker 1: Caroline's old high school bestie. This guy Adam. They arrest
Speaker 1: him immediately for Caroline's murder, and he looked. He immediately
Speaker 1: has his look on his face like, oh, how did
Speaker 1: I fall for this? It's like, well, you kind of
Speaker 1: have a face like you'd fall for it. So anyway,
Speaker 1: at the precinct, suddenly Olivia is back in the picture.
Speaker 1: She's been gone at a doctor's appointment. This might be
Speaker 1: the season where she's pregnant. I think it actually is.
Speaker 2: You know, I've been falling asleep test for you again,
Speaker 2: and you know what sucks when you follow asleep to
Speaker 2: a Benson and then you wake up and it's Danny
Speaker 2: Beck's voice and you're like, get the fuck out of
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 3: We have to decide if we actually want to get
Speaker 3: that woman on the podcast. We talked so much shit, but.
Speaker 2: I mean we can ask her like, do you know
Speaker 2: people hate your character? And how do you feel about that?
Speaker 2: I know she must have an inkling.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: At the precincts. Suddenly Olivia's back from a doctor's appointment.
Speaker 1: I guess she's pregnant. This season, she's been going the
Speaker 1: whole episode since the very beginning. Now she's back, and
Speaker 1: she's got a little download on Adam's life. She's like,
Speaker 1: he doesn't come from much. He's from the same like Lagrange, whatever,
Speaker 1: we don't know what state that is, from working class parents,
Speaker 1: no rap sheet. Olivia is like, why do you ask
Speaker 1: me to dig up the SOB story on the sky?
Speaker 1: Don't we usually leave that to the defense attorneys? And
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, I know there's more to Adam than just
Speaker 1: murdering his best friend to cover a debt. So then
Speaker 1: you know this is one of the things where Stabler
Speaker 1: takes interest in a particular like, you know, straight white
Speaker 1: man who.
Speaker 3: Needs his help.
Speaker 1: So he goes in to talk to Adam and he says,
Speaker 1: I can tell when a good kid gets pulled into
Speaker 1: a bad thing. And he says, Caroline and I were
Speaker 1: bff's for life. They just wanted to get the hell
Speaker 1: out of Lagrange. And he said when they got to Hudson.
Speaker 1: It was more bullshit. They were just poor kids from
Speaker 1: the boonies there washing dishes, serving meals. Caroline couldn't take it.
Speaker 1: She started selling term papers and that's when they started
Speaker 1: their poker partnership. He goes, we'd work different clubs, we'd
Speaker 1: switch and trade in fu about the regulars, and the
Speaker 1: money just rolled in.
Speaker 3: Caroline paid her tuition.
Speaker 1: Adam said he used the money for the good life clubs, restaurants, concerts,
Speaker 1: hanging with the rich kids. He's like, I wasn't invisible anymore.
Speaker 1: It was like I had a whole new life. And
Speaker 1: then he says, and then it was like Caroline screwed
Speaker 1: it up. And he's like, I told her to take
Speaker 1: things slow, not to be greedy. She wouldn't listen to me.
Speaker 1: He was going to lose everything. She dug them in
Speaker 1: a hole so deep I knew we would never get out.
Speaker 1: And he just did not want to go back to
Speaker 1: being invisible. And he says it was an accident. I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to do it, and Stabler goes, you need
Speaker 1: a lawyer, so you know, usually stablers like give me
Speaker 1: that confession, baby, but this time he's really trying to
Speaker 1: help this kid. So now we're at Novak's office. She
Speaker 1: does not have the time of day for Stabler. She
Speaker 1: is also extremely blonde. I think she has to get
Speaker 1: to a highlighting appointment because she is the blondest I've
Speaker 1: ever seen her. He goes, just give me one second.
Speaker 1: He goes, I just want you to go easy on
Speaker 1: this kid. I think he's a good kid, and like,
Speaker 1: will you please plead him out? And she's like, he
Speaker 1: confessed to murder, Like why would I do that? I'm
Speaker 1: Casey Novak And Stabler's like, I have a soft spot
Speaker 1: for poor kids who have to run with the rich dogs.
Speaker 1: And Stablers like, Casey, you and I were both poor.
Speaker 3: You get it. I don't think I knew that.
Speaker 1: I don't think I remember Casey coming from like hard,
Speaker 1: hard beginnings or whatever. And Casey's like, yeah, I waited
Speaker 1: tables in law school and I serve my classmates. It sucked,
Speaker 1: but I didn't kill anyone. And at least make sure
Speaker 1: he gets a good public defender, he says, and she goes,
Speaker 1: I'll make a call. So now we're in court and
Speaker 1: the guy who walks in to represent Adam is an
Speaker 1: actor named Joey Slotnik. I don't know if you know him,
Speaker 1: but he famously is in Niptuck as a guy named Boblet. Like,
Speaker 1: whenever I see this character, I go Bobla like because
Speaker 1: it's such a weird name, and that's like who this
Speaker 1: guy is to me. I think it's only six episodes
Speaker 1: of Niptock, but he's a wild like he's got like
Speaker 1: one of these faces like.
Speaker 3: That you just remember.
Speaker 1: And he was also a regular series regular on The
Speaker 1: Single Guy with our friend of the Pad Jonathan Silverman.
Speaker 1: So I saw that he's like he's on the cover
Speaker 1: of the show poster and he's playing a lawyer named
Speaker 1: Walter Camp clearly pricey because Casey is shocked to see him,
Speaker 1: and he's like, oh, I'm doing this case pro bono.
Speaker 1: He actually knows Adam from the poker clubs. So now
Speaker 1: in court it's Queen Lena Petrowski presiding and this guy
Speaker 1: Walter enters a plea of not guilty for Adam by
Speaker 1: reason of mental disease or defect, claiming it's gambling addiction.
Speaker 1: Now Casey's talking to Walter and she's like, your defense
Speaker 1: is bullshit, and Walter's like, two percent of this country
Speaker 1: are gambling addicts. Casey's like, I'm not buying it. He goes,
Speaker 1: if one juror has a gambler in their lives.
Speaker 3: Two percent, not even that much, is it? Two percent?
Speaker 1: Well, I guess two percent of this country is like
Speaker 1: two million people.
Speaker 3: Spread across the whole country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the chances of someone on the jerky, I just
Speaker 1: don't think it's that big of a number.
Speaker 3: But then, like a main character on this show is
Speaker 3: a gambling addict. A few seasons later, like you know,
Speaker 3: so I.
Speaker 1: Guess his thing is like you got me, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean his thing is like if one person even knows
Speaker 1: a gambling addict, like you know, they'll hear my witnesses
Speaker 1: and you'll lose.
Speaker 3: So let's just plead him down, and Casey's with you.
Speaker 1: Casey's like, fuck that, there probably won't be Like don't
Speaker 1: I've got this guy dead to right, so forget it.
Speaker 1: First up on the stand now we're in court, is
Speaker 1: a member of the Hudson University Card Club, and he's
Speaker 1: this dork. He only places small bets and Adam wanted
Speaker 1: bigger pots. He thought Adam was out of control and addicted,
Speaker 1: and he was trying to take money from people that
Speaker 1: they didn't have on redirect, Walter establishes that Hudson pays
Speaker 1: for the card club, so they might be responsible for
Speaker 1: hooking Adam on poker, Like, yeah, let's get Hudson.
Speaker 3: They have deep pockets, let's sue them.
Speaker 1: The kid on the stand tells them how one time
Speaker 1: Adam lost a bunch of hands and went full Teresa
Speaker 1: Judae I flipped the table.
Speaker 3: They had to call security.
Speaker 1: Apparently that witness is makes a big impression on the jury,
Speaker 1: because Walter goes to Casey, you should have taken the
Speaker 1: plea and Casey's like, no, he wasn't high when he
Speaker 1: killed her.
Speaker 3: He was fully in control.
Speaker 1: And Walter is like, you obviously don't get gambling addiction,
Speaker 1: and then he opens up about his own story. He goes,
Speaker 1: I lost thirty thousand dollars in one night playing poker.
Speaker 1: I tried to recoup the next night and I lost
Speaker 1: forty thousand more. My wife jammed my laptop down the
Speaker 1: garbage chute and made me get counseling, but I kept playing.
Speaker 1: What finally got him to stop was that Loan Sharks
Speaker 1: broke his leg. And he's like and Casey's like, okay, sure,
Speaker 1: but you didn't kill your wife to pay the loan
Speaker 1: sharks with insurance money. You never lost your mind and
Speaker 1: like a resorted to violence. And this is interesting because
Speaker 1: you know what, this reminds me of an episode of
Speaker 1: Iced Teas podcast that I iced. He got the best
Speaker 1: guests on his podcast, and he has an episode where
Speaker 1: he talks to a guy who lost like I think
Speaker 1: a million dollars in a summer or something crazy, just
Speaker 1: gambling and like spending it on crazy shit. So if
Speaker 1: you want to check that out, that's part of the
Speaker 1: final level Iced Tea's old podcast. So now Casey and
Speaker 1: Stabler are in a walk and talk with Huang, and
Speaker 1: Stabler thinks Walter is a snake oil salesman, and Huang argues, no, Casey,
Speaker 1: this is serious. Gamblers lose it all. They bring their
Speaker 1: families down to gambling. Addicts are just chasing that dopamine
Speaker 1: rush the same way as a drinker or a drug user.
Speaker 1: Stabler's not buying this shit, Huang as usual as asking
Speaker 1: what we're all thinking, like what's going on with you
Speaker 1: and this kid to Stabler like what's happening?
Speaker 3: What's your connection?
Speaker 1: And Stabler now takes us down memory lane where He's like,
Speaker 1: I was nineteen working at my uncle's bar. These two
Speaker 1: rich punks jumped me. They had spit in my face
Speaker 1: earlier because I wouldn't serve them. They had no ID,
Speaker 1: and he busted one of the kids over their head
Speaker 1: with a glass bottle and he almost died. I'm like,
Speaker 1: from a glass bottle? Okay, how agro did you get? Stabler?
Speaker 1: He goes, I got arrested later because it turns out
Speaker 1: the kid's dad was a lawyer in this white shoe
Speaker 1: law firm and who knew people in the DA's office.
Speaker 1: But my dad was a cop, called a favor in
Speaker 1: from an old academy buddy and made the whole thing
Speaker 1: go away. So it's like, so you're both privileged. You
Speaker 1: had caught privilege and he had like DA privilege. Like
Speaker 1: you both like it seems like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know get Stabler's thick. It's like you still got
Speaker 1: out of it. It didn't like ruin your life. And Wang's like,
Speaker 1: he goes, that was more than self defense, like you
Speaker 1: were pissed at these kids, and he goes, they spit
Speaker 1: in my face like I'm trash. No, And Stabler sees
Speaker 1: himself in Adam, he gets how he felt, and Hoank
Speaker 1: suggests that Casey point to Adam's anger about what this
Speaker 1: whole thing, show them that when he strangled Caroline, it
Speaker 1: was about rage and not about addiction.
Speaker 3: So now in trial, Casey's.
Speaker 1: Questioning Adam, and you know, I forgot who it was
Speaker 1: because I can't remember this guy's face. But it's Adam,
Speaker 1: he says. The night that she died, Caroline called him
Speaker 1: and told him about one hundred and fifty K and
Speaker 1: that she was gonna tell Riley. He owed, half like Caroline,
Speaker 1: sounds like not to speak ill of the dead, but
Speaker 1: like you got in one hundred and fifty K playing
Speaker 1: you taunted a football player.
Speaker 3: Why are you bringing this poor kid down? And he goes.
Speaker 1: They started arguing. She pushed him, He pushed her back
Speaker 1: against the wall.
Speaker 3: She fell.
Speaker 1: She tried to get back up, and he just kept
Speaker 1: pushing her down. She screamed, and he's like, I had
Speaker 1: to shut her up. So I put my hands around
Speaker 1: her neck, and he said his head was spinning. He
Speaker 1: was squeezing tighter and tighter. There was a bright flash.
Speaker 1: I must have strangled her. It was all a haze.
Speaker 3: It was an accident.
Speaker 1: She's kind of playing the whole I saw red, I
Speaker 1: blacked out defense that we've seen a ton of different
Speaker 1: defendants do on this show. Before Stabler passes Casey a note,
Speaker 1: and Casey asks Adam about the rings she was wearing
Speaker 1: when he killed her, and he says, yeah, she was
Speaker 1: wearing it, the diamond ring, and Casey goes, what's your
Speaker 1: relationship to Caroline's roommate, Gloria Calhane and he hesitates, but
Speaker 1: he admits, Gloria is my girlfriend. Now, Walter asked for
Speaker 1: a recess, and Casey asked Stabler, how did you know?
Speaker 1: So now we cut to Stabler taking a picture of
Speaker 1: himself with Caroline's sidekick phone from Like You Know two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, and Casey and Stabler are an interrogation
Speaker 1: with Gloria. Casey points out that the glare of the
Speaker 1: ring is what caused that ORB photo that ORB in
Speaker 1: the photo that they found on her phone, the same
Speaker 1: way that it does in this picture that Stabler just
Speaker 1: took of himself, and the picture that is it's from
Speaker 1: the picture Caroline took of Adam right before he killed her,
Speaker 1: So the glare means Caroline was wearing the ring when
Speaker 1: she died, and so how did the ring go from
Speaker 1: Caroline's hand to Gloria's hand like she said it was
Speaker 1: on the dresser. Now we're talking to Gloria and she goes,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call Adam my boyfriend, but he did give
Speaker 1: me the ring, and she's so smirky to Stabler, it's wild,
Speaker 1: and Casey wants to know how did a poor kid
Speaker 1: like Adam get a girl like you?
Speaker 3: And she goes, he earned it.
Speaker 1: He took me out, treated me like a queen that
Speaker 1: I am, and I live a certain lifestyle. If he
Speaker 1: wanted to have me, he had to give me what
Speaker 1: I needed. Casey goes by whatever means necessary, and Gloria
Speaker 1: gives this like really great, amazing, bitchy like whatever. It's
Speaker 1: like straight out of Clueless. But they they're like, Caroline
Speaker 1: bankrupted this poor kid. Did you tell him that you'd
Speaker 1: stay with him if he was poor? Or did you
Speaker 1: tell him to go kill Caroline? She goes, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. And it's like
Speaker 1: this is a good episode because I don't really know.
Speaker 1: I don't really know how much Gloria was involved, Like was.
Speaker 3: She right there when it happened.
Speaker 1: Or did she just say be a doll and go
Speaker 1: kill this girl so that you can still be afford
Speaker 1: to be my boyfriend. Or was she just like, bitch,
Speaker 1: if you don't have money, I'm out and that's what
Speaker 1: prompted him, Like who knows? Casey gets a light bulb
Speaker 1: and goes, he's not addicted to gambling, He's addicted to you.
Speaker 1: She goes, is that so hard to imagine? And then
Speaker 1: she goes, Adam made his own mistakes and he was enraged.
Speaker 1: And then we cut to Gloria from her enraged statement,
Speaker 1: fully on the stand, nirking on Adam, who is obsessed
Speaker 1: with her. She goes, Adam texted me that night when
Speaker 1: I was at a cappella rehearsal to meet him outside,
Speaker 1: and she said I met him out there and he
Speaker 1: was in a state. Adam is like, Gloria, please stop,
Speaker 1: and Petrofsky's like, you better shut your fucking mouth, young man.
Speaker 1: Casey goes, did Adam say he was going to hurt Caroline?
Speaker 1: And then Gloria takes a second looks at Adam decides
Speaker 1: she doesn't give a fuck and says he said he
Speaker 1: might have to.
Speaker 3: And Adam goes, I love you, don't do this.
Speaker 1: Petrofsky's had enough. She's like, one more outburst and I
Speaker 1: will kick your ass out. And Gloria said that Adam
Speaker 1: said if Caroline couldn't keep her mouth shut, he'd shut
Speaker 1: it for her, and it sounded like his mind.
Speaker 3: Was made up.
Speaker 1: Cut to the verdict, obviously guilty, Gloria's testimony was very damning.
Speaker 1: As he's leaving, he turns to Gloria and he's like,
Speaker 1: how good you do this to me? And she's like
Speaker 1: putting on her pea coat. She goes, you did this
Speaker 1: to yourself, like she is fucking I was thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: Ice Queen. And then just then Casey goes, that was cold.
Speaker 1: And then Stabler goes, They're like you had a hand
Speaker 1: in this, and she's like, my hands are clean. And
Speaker 1: then Stabler arrests her for stealing the ring, a classy
Speaker 1: felony which would get her fifteen years in prison. Adam
Speaker 1: stole it, Casey says, you knowingly possessed it. She goes,
Speaker 1: this is insane, and Sabler goes, they don't allow diamond
Speaker 1: rings in prison, babe, but you're going to have to
Speaker 1: settle for silver bracelets and then off of Casey Novak's face,
Speaker 1: it's dick wolf baby. But my thing is this bitch
Speaker 1: is rich. She doesn't have a record. Her parents are
Speaker 1: going to get her Cyndi Lauper's husband or Buchanan.
Speaker 3: She's going to get.
Speaker 1: Off on probation at most, Like she's not is she
Speaker 1: a day of jail time?
Speaker 3: She can be like he gave me the ring, Like
Speaker 3: what does that have to do with that?
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, I guess her testimony proves that she
Speaker 1: knew that it came from a person that was killed.
Speaker 1: But still like, like it's she's not going to see jail.
Speaker 1: This girl like her parents own a hospital or like
Speaker 1: have donated hospitals and wings of colleges.
Speaker 3: That just doesn't happen to those.
Speaker 1: You have to be an actual like murderer to see
Speaker 1: I think even a tiny bit of justice and even
Speaker 1: then not really anyway, that's that kind of a crazy
Speaker 1: episode that I always remember from its original time.
Speaker 3: And I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I know nothing about these real cases that you research,
Speaker 1: so I'm very excited to hear about them.
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Listen to our ads, babies. We'll see you in
Speaker 2: a second. Okay, so there's a baby crime in a
Speaker 2: big crime, so split into two, and this one's kind
Speaker 2: of fun. I would say it's the Elizabeth Page LORI
Speaker 2: cheating scandal, and like I said, it's fun. This is
Speaker 2: a USC scandal before the rowing Aunt Becky Laughlin situation,
Speaker 2: and it involves a Walmart heiress. So that's exciting though,
Speaker 2: But why do all these rich girls need to go
Speaker 2: to USC? Like, I don't understand why it's like the
Speaker 2: place to be. I know it's really were at universities.
Speaker 2: You're the stabler of college.
Speaker 1: So I will say my co yearbook editor went to USC,
Speaker 1: but I think she like it is a good school,
Speaker 1: but I think she just wanted to get the fuck
Speaker 1: out of the East.
Speaker 3: Coast, so she just like went out there.
Speaker 1: I think, correct me if I'm wrong, Californians, but I
Speaker 1: feel like UCLA is better, But I don't know, don't
Speaker 1: I don't know. In my mind, UCLA is a more
Speaker 1: competitive school to get into the USC, but I could
Speaker 1: be totally wrong. I never understood why Aunt Becky did
Speaker 1: all that shit because like they're actually I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't seem like it's that hard to get
Speaker 1: into USC.
Speaker 3: But anyway, maybe I don't think I would be able
Speaker 3: to get in, So no shade.
Speaker 2: If people got in and they're smart, like I would,
Speaker 2: I don't think i'd gotten into USC.
Speaker 3: But I just like a Walmart Heiress, I got yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I would see you bribing to get into Yale
Speaker 1: get into Harvard, like I don't know, I don't I
Speaker 1: the bribes were like, it's but maybe USC, honestly, when
Speaker 1: you look at the stats is just as hard to
Speaker 1: get into.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Because it's a California school, it could be a lot
Speaker 1: of people. We're a more populous state. Maybe more people
Speaker 1: are applying. Who fucking knows. Don't come for me.
Speaker 3: USC grads Trojans go Trojans.
Speaker 2: Now it's cool, and I like that it's near our
Speaker 2: neighborhood and stuff like it's not far from us.
Speaker 1: But I just I was just shocked. You know, all
Speaker 1: my doctors are there. I go to all my doctors
Speaker 1: at USC. Love USC.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this Walmart, you know, Heiress Elizabeth page Lory
Speaker 2: she returned she had to return her degree.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, After it came out that she paid a fellow
Speaker 2: college student twenty thousand dollars to do her homework so amazing.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Elena Martinez was her freshman year roommate and told twenty
Speaker 2: twenty that she had written term papers and done assignments
Speaker 2: for the heiress for three and a half years. Martinez
Speaker 2: said that she joined the ROTC to earn money for college,
Speaker 2: but still had to drop out because she couldn't afford
Speaker 2: tuition at USC. But then she was able to learn
Speaker 2: a lot by doing this rich girl's homework. So even
Speaker 2: though she wasn't enrolled in university anymore, she got to
Speaker 2: learn by.
Speaker 3: Doing like this rich kid's work.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: But in rich girl news, there was a stadium named
Speaker 2: after her at the University of Missouri that her billionaire
Speaker 2: parents named after her after donating twenty five million dollars
Speaker 2: towards the construction of this stadium in Missouri. But also,
Speaker 2: like Page sports arena sounds insane, like I don't know, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Don't know anybody Page. It's like named after a girl
Speaker 1: from Summerhouse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the New York Post called Elizabeth Page Lorie
Speaker 2: a discount store dunce and a disgraced dumbbell. So that's
Speaker 2: all that's quick, Like I told you a baby, little
Speaker 2: a little bit, you know, that like.
Speaker 1: The Walmart family too, Like somebody one of them killed
Speaker 1: someone in a car accident and they got out of it,
Speaker 1: like the Walmart family.
Speaker 2: Listen, I have a book that as Walmart Ruined America.
Speaker 2: I did read it in my early twenties, and it
Speaker 2: did you know, I was annoying, I think when after
Speaker 2: I read it, I had a lot of opinions. But yeah,
Speaker 2: like Walmart employees are the number one users of like
Speaker 2: social services from the government and well there and food
Speaker 2: stamps and all this stuff because they refused to pay people,
Speaker 2: refused to give insurance like.
Speaker 3: A living wage.
Speaker 2: They're like a brick and mortar Amazon, like they make
Speaker 2: companies sell at the cheapest ray and then put all
Speaker 2: these other businesses out of business, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: Walmart's the original Amazon.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, but I think, oh no, there's one good Disney
Speaker 2: rich girl. I feel like one of the heiresses of
Speaker 2: Disney is like money is evil and I hate all
Speaker 2: my siblings.
Speaker 3: So yeah, okay. I also want to say one quick
Speaker 3: thing is like, now, now you're on us. I knew
Speaker 3: this was gonna turn you knew.
Speaker 1: I was doing this right, Okay, I knew you would
Speaker 1: be tortured yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm tortured.
Speaker 1: I'm on US News and World Report, which I think
Speaker 1: is a little bit bullshit because I think a lot
Speaker 1: of these colleges pay for their rankings on this but actually,
Speaker 1: like USC is number twenty five, and it's right under Michigan,
Speaker 1: which I consider to be an amazing school. And also
Speaker 1: but then it's also under NYU, which I think of
Speaker 1: NYU as a great school, but not necessarily not the
Speaker 1: smartest kids from my school did not go to n YU.
Speaker 1: Like it was kids that wanted to do arts and
Speaker 1: stuff like that's that's like what it's for. But like
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that it goes Georgetown, NYU, Michigan, USC. That's
Speaker 1: not what it was like when I was going to school.
Speaker 1: But this shit changes all the time. Like USC's over UVA,
Speaker 1: and my mind, UVA is like such a good school,
Speaker 1: and on this list, University of Florida is over Chapel
Speaker 1: Hill in North Carolina, which I think of is also
Speaker 1: an amazing school. So and Toughs and Wake Forest and
Speaker 1: all these schools. So I don't know, what do I know?
Speaker 2: I'm judging ALA's friends, I think, who actually listens to
Speaker 2: the pod?
Speaker 3: What's up? Girls. She's going to Wake Forest. That's where
Speaker 3: my brother David went. Oh my god, wow. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: David really love Awake. He really loved it's beautiful down there.
Speaker 1: I went to the graduation and I saw Biden speak.
Speaker 1: Actually Biden spoke at two of my brother's graduations Georgetown
Speaker 1: as an outsider, like seems very fancy, it is, you know.
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to Georgetown and I got I
Speaker 1: applied because my other friend Kara got in and was like,
Speaker 1: just apply.
Speaker 3: It would be so fun to go together.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm never going to get in,
Speaker 1: and then I didn't, but I applied and I went
Speaker 1: there on the tour and they go, raise your hand
Speaker 1: if you're from the Northeast, and like almost all of
Speaker 1: us raised our hands and they were like, that's going
Speaker 1: to be really bad for you guys.
Speaker 3: That's what they said to us, Like before we went
Speaker 3: out on the tour.
Speaker 1: They were just like most of you, like all apply
Speaker 1: from the Northeast and like we're just not going to
Speaker 1: take like as many kids from that area because we
Speaker 1: want diversity, which makes sense, but it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: get into Georgetown.
Speaker 3: And I just said I would have to be diverse anymore. Oh,
Speaker 3: but I was right.
Speaker 1: Though, Berkeley and UCLA are above USC on this list,
Speaker 1: they're nineteen and twenty or no, they're tied for twenty.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is pretty sad. The Jennifer Cave case.
Speaker 2: So Jennifer was the twenty one year old who moved
Speaker 2: from Corpus Christie to Austin, Texas, and she, you know,
Speaker 2: struggled with drugs and really battled with her addiction.
Speaker 3: So that is true.
Speaker 2: And then Bill Bishop, the prosecutor in this case, said,
Speaker 2: I've never heard anyone say anything but that she was
Speaker 2: one of the nicest people they knew. So she was
Speaker 2: nice and she loved to party. Colton Patoniac, he was
Speaker 2: twenty two at the time and was her friend and
Speaker 2: drug dealer. And then Laura Hall was Colton's girlfriend. Colton
Speaker 2: Petoniac and Lauren Hall were dating and they met at
Speaker 2: a party in spring of two thousand and five, and
Speaker 2: Hall said that she loved Colton and was very attracted
Speaker 2: to him from the start and thought he was sexy
Speaker 2: and hot. But then according to CBS News, they she
Speaker 2: said it was great. I felt like I was on
Speaker 2: top of the world when I was with Colton. Until
Speaker 2: you know Colton, you can't see on the surface that
Speaker 2: there's something wrong underneath. But then other people say it
Speaker 2: did appear from the outside that the relationship was very
Speaker 2: one sided and that she was obsessed with him and
Speaker 2: he did not return the vibe at all, But nobody
Speaker 2: can be certain of this. But this is just like
Speaker 2: from the findings from the trial prep. So those who
Speaker 2: knew Jennifer were clear that her and Colton had never dated,
Speaker 2: never been on a date, and nobody reported that they
Speaker 2: ever tried passing as a couple. Drugs was like their
Speaker 2: only connection.
Speaker 1: On the night of August sixteenth, two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: she was super excited about her new job at an
Speaker 1: Austin law firm. It was it started out as a
Speaker 1: one day filing job, but then the firm liked her
Speaker 1: so much that they offered her a full time position
Speaker 1: starting the next day, so that's super exciting. She spoke
Speaker 1: to her mother, roommate and ex boyfrid friend that she
Speaker 1: like she was in her pajamas at eight thirty pm
Speaker 1: and she was going to go to bed because she
Speaker 1: really was like excited to start work the next day.
Speaker 1: But then around nine thirty pm, she spoke to a friend,
Speaker 1: Michael Rodriguez, and told him that she was going to
Speaker 1: go out with her friend Colton, who she said was
Speaker 1: having a hard time and some problems and she wanted
Speaker 1: to be there for him, but she also wanted to
Speaker 1: go out and celebrate a little bit, like getting this
Speaker 1: new job. So she went out on Sixth Street in Austin,
Speaker 1: Texas with Colton.
Speaker 3: We've been there together with Kara.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've gotten a tattoo on Sixth Street at two
Speaker 2: in the morning, and I would not recommend, not recommend.
Speaker 2: Her friend Michael said that he got a call from
Speaker 2: Jennifer at twelveh eight in the morning of August I
Speaker 2: nothing is worse to me than like something am being
Speaker 2: the morning of the other day and not the night
Speaker 2: of that day. Like I know, people have missed flights
Speaker 2: because of that ar.
Speaker 1: Miss Jared was supposed to do the gathering of the
Speaker 1: Juggalos and we fucked up because this show was at midnight,
Speaker 1: and we fucked up the day and the flights and
Speaker 1: he missed it.
Speaker 3: But honestly, kind of a blessing.
Speaker 2: No, the Juggalos, I hear, are you know they supportive family? No,
Speaker 2: they like they're the kids who get bullied. They're known
Speaker 2: as like a real family. Like there's documentaries. There's a
Speaker 2: movie called Family with Taylor Shilling actually in it that
Speaker 2: I saw wildly at like a festival years ago. But
Speaker 2: like Colts, the wrestler, Colt Commandad does juggalo shit and
Speaker 2: they like.
Speaker 3: Take care of each other. I'm sure they love cold.
Speaker 1: I just wasn't sure that they were gonna like love
Speaker 1: the comic stylings of Jared Logan, and I was nervous
Speaker 1: they were gonna like throw Fago cans at him.
Speaker 2: We should do a Fago taste test and tape that
Speaker 2: because I've never had Fago me neither or Jerrito's.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's the content. Let's make some content. Oh my god, Okay,
Speaker 3: let's do it.
Speaker 2: We're getting a YouTube channel, guys, and we're gonna taste
Speaker 2: sodas we've never tasted before. We're gonna take over the internet. Okay. So,
Speaker 2: and we next to Gelko's soda shops. So, oh my god,
Speaker 2: we should see some crazy shit. We could go clearly
Speaker 2: Canadian take it back to the nineties. Yeah, okay, so
Speaker 2: her friend Mike, like I said, okay, So at twelve
Speaker 2: oh eight, midnight. Oh eight in the morning. No, it's nighttime, bitch,
Speaker 2: it's still midnight.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But August seventeenth, two thousand and five, and Michael said,
Speaker 2: she did not seem afraid or anxious, and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'll call you back. And then an hour later he
Speaker 2: spoke to her again and she told him that Colton
Speaker 2: was angry and drunk and she yelled at him while
Speaker 2: he pissed on a car. So the next afternoon, Jennifer's mother,
Speaker 2: Sharon Cave, got a call from her new employer around
Speaker 2: three PM, who let her know that she never showed
Speaker 2: up to work that morning. Sharon was frantic and started
Speaker 2: making calls immediately and then contacted T Mobile was up
Speaker 2: and getting and so she called T Mobile to get
Speaker 2: the phone activity of her daughter and then started calling
Speaker 2: the people that she last was like speaking to. And
Speaker 2: then when they called Colton, he was cagy as hell.
Speaker 2: And Sharon's fiance Jim Sedgwick, said that at one point
Speaker 2: he said, Hey, dude, I'm eating pizza.
Speaker 3: Don't bother me anymore. Quit calling me.
Speaker 2: And that's according to CBS News, and it's like that's
Speaker 2: her front, Like what that's yeah, so said up and cold.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So at one point the mom had Michael on her
Speaker 2: office phone and Colton on another phone, and Michael could
Speaker 2: call out Colton's lies. So after he denied knowing anything
Speaker 2: or seeing her, like not seeing her, and Michael was like,
Speaker 2: that's not true.
Speaker 1: I talked to her like she saw Colton last night.
Speaker 1: She just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 2: So she drove from Corpus Christie to Austin and tried
Speaker 2: getting into Colton's apartment. And then they also saw Jennifer's
Speaker 2: car nearby, and you know, the mom had a pit
Speaker 2: in the set, like she knew something was off, and
Speaker 2: the drive.
Speaker 3: Is you know, kno quick.
Speaker 2: So they tried knocking but there was no answer. So
Speaker 2: then around eight pm they call the police. But the
Speaker 2: police had to go get a search warrant before entering
Speaker 2: the apartment, which is so annoying to me, but I
Speaker 2: guess that's good, okay. So and so Jim was like
Speaker 2: fuck that and entered through a window, and he kept
Speaker 2: the mom outside because he was scared about what he
Speaker 2: might find. So he entered and he did find the
Speaker 2: body of Jennifer. This is gruesome.
Speaker 1: So Jennifer was found in Pataniac's bathtub. In his apartment
Speaker 1: on August eighteenth, two thousand and five. They called nine
Speaker 1: one one, and then you know, the police like started
Speaker 1: like raced back and then began their search for Cole
Speaker 1: Tin and they had to physically so Jim Sedgwick had
Speaker 1: to physically restrain Sharon from entering the apartment and inside,
Speaker 1: so she was shot dead. The bullet went into her
Speaker 1: arm and then traveled into the chest through the heart
Speaker 1: and it killed her instantly. She was also stabbed numerous times,
Speaker 1: and the most horrific was her hands and head had
Speaker 1: been cut off and wearing plastic bags on the bathroom floor.
Speaker 1: So thank god the mom did not enter that apart
Speaker 1: and did not see that. But this definitely put me
Speaker 1: on a spiral of what a horrible way to find people, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, dead is dead, of course, it's like so sad.
Speaker 3: Anyways, it's her child, but like.
Speaker 1: No dismember kidding me is so gruesome and horrible. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh my god. Actually I've been catching up
Speaker 1: on Stabler Show Organized Crime, and like at the beginning
Speaker 1: of this of this episode, this woman like is in
Speaker 1: her house and her husband's not home, and she goes downstairs.
Speaker 1: She's carrying a baseball bat and she sees something in
Speaker 1: her dryer.
Speaker 3: Going boo boom boo boom boo boom in.
Speaker 1: Her dryer, and when she opens the dryer it's her
Speaker 1: husband's head that was just in the dryer with the laundry.
Speaker 3: That's the fuck. That reminds me of like.
Speaker 1: Breaking Bad style ye appetition, h yeah yeah, breaking bad shit. Honestly,
Speaker 1: when you said this is gruesome, when you said this
Speaker 1: is gruesome, my mind immediately went to like acid bathtub
Speaker 1: of breaking bad, like I when I think of like
Speaker 1: getting rid of bodies and gross ways, I'm like breaking
Speaker 1: bad immediately.
Speaker 2: Oh, the decapitation reminded me of what's his name, Trey
Speaker 2: Hoe on the Toys Head.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to.
Speaker 2: Rewatch that show so bad. But anyways, this is real life.
Speaker 2: It's fucked up. I'm so glad that, like the fiance
Speaker 2: was adamant about the mom not coming in. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure he's haunted forever. So later that emmy
Speaker 2: said there was also a shot that had been fired
Speaker 2: through her severed neck and into her brain.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, like they were just fucking around.
Speaker 2: Well, so this motherfucker fled to Mexico with Hall, and
Speaker 2: they spent five days there until they were picked up
Speaker 2: by the US Marshals and returned their asses back to Texas.
Speaker 2: So this is the evidence that started to come in.
Speaker 2: So Petoniac cell phone records showed that he contacted his
Speaker 2: girlfriend Hall right after three thirty am on August seventeenth,
Speaker 2: and then there's another phone call at six am. So
Speaker 2: something happened to between one thirty am and three thirty am.
Speaker 2: That afternoon, he went to a hardware store and purchased
Speaker 2: a hacksaw, garbage bags, cleaning products, and rubber gloves. While
Speaker 2: he was doing that, Lauren drove her green Cadillac to
Speaker 2: a gas station, where she filled up the tank and
Speaker 2: washed the car. He also found time to stop at
Speaker 2: Burger King, according to receipts found. So this is a
Speaker 2: stone cold killer, Like you're just eating a whopper Like
Speaker 2: that's so crazy, yeah, or one of their Long John sandwiches.
Speaker 2: So they took Hall's car to Mexico sixteen hours after
Speaker 2: the murder.
Speaker 1: So they just gave up on the trying to hacker up.
Speaker 1: They were just like, uh, oh, they know they're calling us.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna get they like, that's what's weird, is
Speaker 2: like they didn't do anything they started. You're like, it's
Speaker 2: they didn't And you guys think you're gonna like avoid
Speaker 2: capture in Mexico like adorable, like you're two.
Speaker 3: He went to the store and about a hack saw
Speaker 3: like ugh.
Speaker 2: But the question as to why this happened has never
Speaker 2: been answered because Patanyak testified in court that he doesn't
Speaker 2: remember killing her because of the drugs and alcohol, but
Speaker 2: it must have been him, but it's so convenient. He
Speaker 2: does not remember anything except the parts where he blames
Speaker 2: Hall for everything, and that's when the memory is clear.
Speaker 3: So his whole thing is like, fuck, I was fucked up.
Speaker 1: I don't remember anything, but I do remember that she
Speaker 1: was in charge of the dismemberment in this and that.
Speaker 3: Was our idea.
Speaker 2: So very convenient. He remembers nothing but to blame someone
Speaker 2: else for other stuff. Laura also says that Colton told
Speaker 2: her that he had been drinking and didn't remember what happened,
Speaker 2: so in one of those phone calls, he was like,
Speaker 2: I have no idea like what happened, which that reminds
Speaker 2: me of that episode with Scott whatever.
Speaker 1: He's not his name Hammered. Yeah, so it reminds me
Speaker 1: of Hammered where he's Scott fully clue, Scott Fholey, thank
Speaker 1: you so much.
Speaker 2: He was at the tail end of a day's long
Speaker 2: bender when he met up with Jennifer Cave and he
Speaker 2: remembers that night of the sixteenth passing out, but then
Speaker 2: he remembers waking up early on the seventeenth and he
Speaker 2: found her body in the bathtub.
Speaker 3: He called a Hall in a.
Speaker 2: Panic, who came up with a great plan for dismembering
Speaker 2: the body, which she of course denies and said it
Speaker 2: was his idea and that she made the list of
Speaker 2: items they needed, and he said that he paid for
Speaker 2: the items, but he did not cut up the body,
Speaker 2: and said that it was Hall's idea to go to Mexico.
Speaker 2: So they're just turning on each other and I don't
Speaker 2: think we'll actually ever know, like, yeah, what happened, but
Speaker 2: they both suck. So while they're on the run, which
Speaker 2: is an understatement. Yeah, So while they're on the run,
Speaker 2: Hall's parents, Lauren and Carol, are trying to reach their
Speaker 2: daughter and their thought is like, oh my god, this
Speaker 2: guy has my daughter and he apparently like killed and
Speaker 2: mutilated this other person and he has our daughter.
Speaker 3: So yeah, the parents of.
Speaker 1: Lauren Hall don't realize that their daughter is involved. They
Speaker 1: just are like, oh, he's with there with a killler.
Speaker 1: We have to find our daughter.
Speaker 2: They did a hold of her finally and she left
Speaker 2: that she let them know she was in Mexico with
Speaker 2: Colton and they feared that he was going to kill her.
Speaker 2: Haul maintained her innocence and said that she was at
Speaker 2: the home but did not help and did not call
Speaker 2: the cops because she was scared. She maintains the Olivia
Speaker 2: Benson of like, I did whatever I needed to do
Speaker 2: to stay alive, which included driving him.
Speaker 3: She said she was shocked.
Speaker 2: He just let her go and then she went home,
Speaker 2: but like she like was still in denial. She said
Speaker 2: she came over to the house without knowing anything was wrong.
Speaker 2: She said she arrived before dawn on August seventeenth, two
Speaker 2: thousand and five. He'd called her saying he needed to talk.
Speaker 2: She continued to CBS News that in quotes, he answered
Speaker 2: the door really kind of paranoid and fearful, and I'm
Speaker 2: kind of like sitting up Colton, what's the deal, What's
Speaker 2: going on? I'm kind of starting to freak out a
Speaker 2: little bit, and he says, come here, come here, and
Speaker 2: she says that then he led her into the bathroom
Speaker 2: and there was a dead woman curled up in the bathtub.
Speaker 2: She then says that she asked if that's a mannequin,
Speaker 2: and it's like, are you a fucking idiot?
Speaker 3: What mannequin? Curls up?
Speaker 1: Curls dumb, kant, I don't buy this, like, I just
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: This is sad.
Speaker 2: He's like, no a man, and said that she came
Speaker 2: over in the morning and cut up the body. So
Speaker 2: her attorney, Joe James Sawyer, of course, was like, she
Speaker 2: did not dismember the body, and that her only crime
Speaker 2: is that she loves Pataniak too much and that she
Speaker 2: was just trying to protect herself from any harm from Colton.
Speaker 2: She says she regrets not testifying though, so now you
Speaker 2: guys can decipher how you feel about this. So Hall's
Speaker 2: DNA was found on three items. One of Cave's sandals
Speaker 2: found near the bathtub, a blue shop towel found on
Speaker 2: the coffee table, and the pistol used.
Speaker 3: To shoot Cave.
Speaker 2: Oh Pataniac's DNA without Laura's was found on the buck knife,
Speaker 2: a machete which was found in the apartment's dishwasher, which
Speaker 2: is also very SVU to me, and the hack saw
Speaker 2: that was left resting on top of Cave's body.
Speaker 3: But I think it's.
Speaker 1: Damning that her DNA was found on the pistol. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know unless she picked up the gun to
Speaker 1: go clean it and then fucking forgot because.
Speaker 3: These people don't finish.
Speaker 1: Anything they start, like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: He also like they this was some evidence they used.
Speaker 2: He like had wanna be gangster vibes, like he had
Speaker 2: scarface posters, gangster movies, and he had tons of movies
Speaker 2: that involved dismemberment, one of which the a machete was
Speaker 2: used for dismemberment, and on his coffee table. It was
Speaker 2: a Sopranos DVD where Tony Soprano dismembers a murder victim
Speaker 2: in a bathtub, then removes his head and sticks it
Speaker 2: in a bowling back bowling ball back?
Speaker 3: Damn?
Speaker 2: So was he watching it while they were wasted? Got
Speaker 2: the idea? Did he watch it in the day was like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill this girl? Did he watch it after
Speaker 2: you pop it in figure out how to do it.
Speaker 2: But it is it could be circumstantial, but that to
Speaker 2: me is damning. That Like, yeah, the dismemberment Sopranos episode
Speaker 2: is in the DVD player.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: His screen names were also see Money and I Love
Speaker 2: Money and Hoes. I'm just trying to give you a
Speaker 2: full picture of this, yeah, of who this guy is.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like all small time drug dealers are
Speaker 1: all like into scarface and this gangster shit too, like
Speaker 1: they think that they're like living some kind of life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Colton's car was parked in its regular spot with
Speaker 2: a gun inside. Prosecutors from Travis County where Bill Bishop
Speaker 2: and Stephanie McFarlane, and they had a hard time with
Speaker 2: not straightforward, Like it's not a straightforward case. They have
Speaker 2: physical evidence, but they're just like all really confused by
Speaker 2: the motive.
Speaker 3: You're like, why did they do this? No one knows.
Speaker 1: No one could have just been like she said something
Speaker 1: he didn't fucking like and he just shot her because
Speaker 1: he was so fucked up, Like because she said she
Speaker 1: was yelling at him when he was pissing on a car.
Speaker 1: Maybe she was like, you need to get your life together,
Speaker 1: and he was like shut up, mom, and like, you know,
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe something triggered him and he just like
Speaker 1: shot her.
Speaker 2: But they built intent by piecing together conversations that Hall
Speaker 2: was having in the months after the murder. So like
Speaker 2: Hall stood by his side from September two thousand and
Speaker 2: five when she was arrested until the trial in January
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, and then at the trial she
Speaker 2: stopped supporting him. And so they chatted with her cellmate
Speaker 2: because she was being held during the in between of
Speaker 2: the trials and it was like it did count for
Speaker 2: her time served and stuff. But Henrietta Logenbach said that
Speaker 2: this is the cellmate, this is also very spo So
Speaker 2: the cellmate said that she talked about the mutilation plan
Speaker 2: and that she came up with it but they had
Speaker 2: to abandon it, and that she's also like said, what's
Speaker 2: the big fuss? Cave is a nobody and a nothing
Speaker 2: who cares yes ough, So that's telling again, that's my
Speaker 2: word of the episode. And then I guess she also
Speaker 2: told the cellmate one day, I'm going to tell my
Speaker 2: grandkids about this and how I dismembered the body. Logenbach
Speaker 2: was in jail for fraud, so her credibility was in question.
Speaker 2: There was also information that came from Norah Sullivan, who's
Speaker 2: Colton's neighbor. She testified that Hall had told her that
Speaker 2: after a Pataniac shot Cave, he just chilled in the
Speaker 2: living room drinking beer and watching TV instead of using
Speaker 2: the tools he bought, and she was really annoyed by
Speaker 2: his laziness and was trying to motivate him to finish
Speaker 2: the job.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, So that's what's wild.
Speaker 2: They did all this fucked up shit to the body
Speaker 2: like you mentioned, Kara, but then made no effort to
Speaker 2: hide the body or get.
Speaker 3: Rid of the body. Ooh.
Speaker 2: Their jury deliberated for two days. Pataniac was convicted in
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven of the murder and was sentenced
Speaker 2: to fifty five years in pri He tried to appeal
Speaker 2: in twenty fifteen and it was denied. Stay in jail forever,
Speaker 2: you dumb bitch. So Laura was not arrested in the beginning,
Speaker 2: but then the police when they just questioned her, she
Speaker 2: was so not cooperative that that was what was like
Speaker 2: fucked up. So the police say that she was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just thought we were going on vacation and going
Speaker 2: to Mexico, like, I had no idea about anything.
Speaker 3: Colton's a great guy and he didn't do it.
Speaker 2: She also admitted to lying about that eventually, but that's again, yeah,
Speaker 2: why would you You thought you were going to Mexico.
Speaker 2: But then later we're like, oh, no, he did call me,
Speaker 2: and I knew when I saw the body, like what's
Speaker 2: going on? And then the neighbor was like, you were
Speaker 2: bitching about him? But then she's like, oh, I just
Speaker 2: thought we were going to Mexico for fun. She also
Speaker 2: said that he let her go and she had every
Speaker 2: chance to tell the cops, a friend, a mom like
Speaker 2: her ma, anybody, but instead she just ran errands before
Speaker 2: they went to Mexico. Oh so I guess he was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: get out of here for a bit.
Speaker 3: I'll see you later.
Speaker 2: And so it's like, if you did feel bad about anything,
Speaker 2: you could have told so many people. But baby, I
Speaker 2: just don't believe that he but he is crazy. I
Speaker 2: don't know, yeah, because I don't want to blame someone.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's the thing we learned from the Colleen standcase, like
Speaker 2: we can't expect people to abnormal and abnormal circumstances, but shady.
Speaker 2: She also posts Mexico, got a fucking tattoo of his
Speaker 2: name on her leg because she just loved him so
Speaker 2: much and thought he was innocent.
Speaker 3: But weren't you there? I don't know.
Speaker 2: Laura Hall was convicted for her role in the killing
Speaker 2: and dismemberment of Jennifer in two thousand and seven. The
Speaker 2: charges were for hindering apprehension and tampering with evidence and
Speaker 2: helping Pataniac in a cover up and then driving to Mexico.
Speaker 2: Hall was released from prison on Thursday, March fifteenth, twenty eighteen,
Speaker 2: at ten thirty am, at thirty four years old.
Speaker 1: And I bet she writes to that guy in fucking
Speaker 1: prison every day. I mean, and I just wish, like
Speaker 1: I'm so all about the why. I'm like, why, what
Speaker 1: the fuck happened? Like he didn't say, like you know,
Speaker 1: like he I don't know, he didn't say at all
Speaker 1: why he fucking did that. I mean, I guess people
Speaker 1: just do crazy things when they're fucked up. But let's
Speaker 1: move to our guests, because we have an awesome guest today,
Speaker 1: and thank you for telling us all of the infro
Speaker 1: on those two crimes and that very gruesome one and
Speaker 1: we'll be right back. Okay, guys, time for our guest interview.
Speaker 1: And just want to reiterate what I set up top
Speaker 1: in the intro, which is that this interview was recorded
Speaker 1: prior to the SAG strike, so no one is breaking
Speaker 1: any SAG rules by us putting this out. And I
Speaker 1: just want to let you know there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of tattling on the internet for people, but we are
Speaker 1: all good. We are obviously checking with lawyers and doing
Speaker 1: the right shit. So our guest today is a phenomenal
Speaker 1: actress who you might know from shows like Banshee and
Speaker 1: blind Spot. She was also a regular on Apple TV's
Speaker 1: dystopian sci fi show See But you know her today
Speaker 1: as the quintessential rich college bitch, Gloria Colhane. Please enjoy
Speaker 1: our convo with the very cool Trieste Kelly Dunn.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh my god, we're so happy you could take
Speaker 3: the time to talk about.
Speaker 1: Of course, you're in a classic episode of SVU. I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to be That wasn't even an intentional pun.
Speaker 1: The episode is called class, but it is also classic.
Speaker 2: Well, the most class, I mean what jumps out at
Speaker 2: me immediately is like early two thousand's frosted eyeshadow, lipstick,
Speaker 2: your hairdoo, a pink cardigan.
Speaker 3: I mean it is like the dream outfits of a cool,
Speaker 3: mean girl of that time.
Speaker 4: Juicy, I remember Juicy Sweatsea. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, So like.
Speaker 1: This is I think this is just looking at your
Speaker 1: IMDb one of the first roles you got for TV, right,
Speaker 1: So how did it?
Speaker 3: Were you so pumped to get cast? Was this like
Speaker 3: your fiftieth Law and Order audition? Like? How did the
Speaker 3: process go of getting this part? I had?
Speaker 4: I don't even think I'd been in New York for
Speaker 4: an entire year, so it was definitely one of my
Speaker 4: first jobs, maybe not my very first, but it was
Speaker 4: like in the top three, and I went in for
Speaker 4: the audition.
Speaker 3: My roommate was also auditioning. Ooh.
Speaker 4: So it was a little uncomfortable a little bit when
Speaker 4: I got it, obviously, and I felt bad too because
Speaker 4: I had I had just done a job, and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, she really needed this more than me.
Speaker 4: But I think I was just bitch here, so that's
Speaker 4: why I got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are you guys still friends? Oh yeah? Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: I was a bride in her wedding, so it wasn't
Speaker 4: she probably forgot all about it.
Speaker 1: So I mean, if you're going to live with another actor,
Speaker 1: that's just I think the reality is, right, you gotta
Speaker 1: you're gonna go against you.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I definitely had my share of disappointments for sure,
Speaker 4: I mean constantly.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that this business is, I always say, an
Speaker 1: endless parade of disappointments pretty much.
Speaker 3: Soon. Yeah, kind of wild.
Speaker 1: It's your first ever real like TV acting job, because
Speaker 1: like you're really holding your own with like Maloney and
Speaker 1: Iced Tea and like you're handing it back to them
Speaker 1: like the banter is.
Speaker 4: So oh thanks, Well that's nice back when I had confidence.
Speaker 3: Before the industry broke you. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: No, I remember Iced Tea was super nice. He was
Speaker 4: really friendly. Everybody was really friendly, but he especially, you know,
Speaker 4: I think I was.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I was nervous.
Speaker 4: I just specifically remember him having a conversation where he's like,
Speaker 4: you know, we kind of do the same thing every
Speaker 4: day and the fun part for us is to get
Speaker 4: you got to to see what you guys are going
Speaker 4: to do, which and I didn't realize at the time,
Speaker 4: like I just didn't know enough about TV. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like they kind of do do the same thing.
Speaker 4: The guest spots are really where all like the meat
Speaker 4: of the show is totally Now that I've been on
Speaker 4: those kind of procedurals, it does get a little bit
Speaker 4: when you're the when you're like the cop roll, like
Speaker 4: you're just interrogating people all the time.
Speaker 3: Right, do you remember any other fun stories?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, so Diane, Yes, Diane Neil. Can I
Speaker 4: tell you a story about dian Neil?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we love Diane. She's been on the podcast.
Speaker 4: Okay, so this might have been like, I don't know,
Speaker 4: one in the morning when we were shooting a scene
Speaker 4: with her and Chris Maloney in like an interrogation room,
Speaker 4: and vaguely this is like this is a long time ago,
Speaker 4: like twenty years ago. So I'm this is it's like
Speaker 4: pieces in my memory. But Chris Maloney there was a
Speaker 4: line I need to go see the scene. There was
Speaker 4: a line in the scene, and he kept like forgetting
Speaker 4: it and he would say it really funny, but he
Speaker 4: was like keeping it together because he wanted to leave.
Speaker 4: He wanted to like he'd been shooting all day and
Speaker 4: he's doing this, you know, ten months a year, and
Speaker 4: he's exhausted, and but the way he was saying this
Speaker 4: line like off camera.
Speaker 3: He wasn't even on camera.
Speaker 4: It was like off camera like me and dian Neil
Speaker 4: would just start laughing to the point where we couldn't
Speaker 4: stop laughing.
Speaker 3: And it's one of them like slap.
Speaker 4: Happy and so I would see her face seat like
Speaker 4: he would do he would make the little mistake and
Speaker 4: you'd see him like try to like get the word.
Speaker 3: Right, and then Dianielle would go and you would just
Speaker 3: see her crack.
Speaker 4: And then I was just like I could not keep
Speaker 4: it together and it was so hard to get through
Speaker 4: the scene because and Chris was, I'm sure, just like
Speaker 4: so pissed off, which I would be too if I
Speaker 4: was in his shoes at the time. I'm just young,
Speaker 4: so I don't I don't get like what that team
Speaker 4: schedule is like, but it is such a crazy schedule.
Speaker 4: And then he's got like kids at home and she
Speaker 4: just wants to leave, you know, it's like Friday night
Speaker 4: or something, and me and Diane just can't stop laughing.
Speaker 4: And I remember she looked at me and she goes
Speaker 4: like somebody was like, Diane, you need to stop laughing.
Speaker 4: You know, got like kind of scolded her and she goes, see,
Speaker 4: I just I just think about getting fired. And then
Speaker 4: and then I stopped laughing, and then things got kind
Speaker 4: of serious. It was like, oh yeah, don't laugh, but
Speaker 4: it was you know, when you're trying not to. It
Speaker 4: wasn't like just a thing, It's like a psychological thing.
Speaker 4: You we just couldn't control it at that point. We
Speaker 4: were slapped at that.
Speaker 3: And we know that Diane is a snort laugher as well.
Speaker 1: That kind of I feel like elevates things when you're
Speaker 1: like people are now snorting.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was, Oh my god, it was so funny.
Speaker 4: It was just like there's a few things I remember
Speaker 4: and that definitely stands out as being just like one
Speaker 4: of the highlights.
Speaker 2: Well that scene too, Maloney is so in your face.
Speaker 2: I mean he gets close to purps, but like he
Speaker 2: is in your face.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I remember, And so that's why it's like
Speaker 4: if he missed a line and said it funny, it
Speaker 4: was just really hard to keep it together.
Speaker 1: Because he's like looks like he's about to kiss you basically.
Speaker 2: And it's one of my favorite tropes too because they
Speaker 2: reveal the ring and like the I love there's a
Speaker 2: few episodes where it's like one little mistake and jewelry
Speaker 2: and you're done, And I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a bing go board moment, Yeah, getting too greedy,
Speaker 1: getting too greedy and taking a ring or something that
Speaker 1: you stole from someone you killed. Yeah, right, and then
Speaker 1: you got to take the stand. Another bingo moment when
Speaker 1: you do Law and Order, you got to be on
Speaker 1: the stand.
Speaker 3: The courtroom was that that was so fun, Like I
Speaker 3: don't know, I was just having fun. It just seemed
Speaker 3: like a great guest spot.
Speaker 4: I haven't done one since because sometimes some people do too,
Speaker 4: don't they.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, sometimes they bring people like at the beginning,
Speaker 1: they would bring people back closer together, and now I
Speaker 1: think they space them apart more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, I know, I know, what would you
Speaker 3: like to come back as? Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: I mean the bad guys are the most fun because
Speaker 4: I feel like when you audition for the victim guest
Speaker 4: spot roles, you have to cry a lot and as
Speaker 4: much just that's just harder to like cry and like
Speaker 4: do a lot of exposition.
Speaker 3: That's just like hard to do. So the bad guy
Speaker 3: roles are more fun.
Speaker 1: I think you got to be fun like you were,
Speaker 1: just like I was just like, I can't who is
Speaker 1: this girl? Because I mean, obviously they're painting you is
Speaker 1: so rich, but I'm like, who is this girl that
Speaker 1: is so fearless of the cops?
Speaker 3: Like you have not known the world of the cops.
Speaker 3: You're like, wow, a comedian cool? Like I oh, so
Speaker 3: much attitude.
Speaker 2: I also wrote down one line that you had where
Speaker 2: nove Ecco's he was addicted to you?
Speaker 3: And you went, is that so hard to imagine? Are
Speaker 3: you serious? That was a line?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh my god, I can't even that's so funny?
Speaker 3: Is that so hard to imagine? Do you remember watching
Speaker 3: it when it came out? Like do you watch stuff?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: I'm sure I watched it. I'm sure I watched it.
Speaker 4: But the funny thing is I was living at that time.
Speaker 4: I was still living in my first New York apartment
Speaker 4: and I think we were like five people in a
Speaker 4: two bedroom. It was like we didn't have cable, We
Speaker 4: couldn't afford anything. So if I did watch it, and
Speaker 4: that I think that was before streaming. Is that like
Speaker 4: early two thousands, right, Yeah, so that would have been
Speaker 4: well before streaming. So I'm like, when did I watch it?
Speaker 3: Actually? Because we didn't. I'm sure probably when I.
Speaker 4: Like went to my mom's house I watched it. I
Speaker 4: don't even remember when, but I'm sure I know I did.
Speaker 4: I know I didn't.
Speaker 3: Remember watching it. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I also had really bad acne back then. I remember
Speaker 4: being so stressed about my like twenty year old I
Speaker 4: had really bad acne problems and the makeup artist was
Speaker 4: so sweet.
Speaker 3: She was like trying to.
Speaker 4: Help me, and I just remember being like, oh, everybody's
Speaker 4: like looking at my acne.
Speaker 3: Oh God, well you definitely couldn't.
Speaker 1: It definitely didn't read on camera that makeup people did great.
Speaker 4: Oh they did. They really did, and they were very sweet.
Speaker 4: And they even put me in Marishka's dressing room. I
Speaker 4: hope that was when she wasn't at work. I think
Speaker 4: they would put people in her dress and she was
Speaker 4: like okay with it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I remember being in her dressing room just
Speaker 3: being like, oh am I supposed to be in here? Wow?
Speaker 2: Do you ever steal things from sets? Her memories?
Speaker 3: Do I steal things? Gosh? Have I ever stole anything set?
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's been something. Socks, plenty of socks. They
Speaker 4: always have really nice socks on set, like they give
Speaker 4: you like, even if you come to set with socks
Speaker 4: on the costume, people always leave socks you.
Speaker 3: Usually they even leave underwear.
Speaker 4: I mean there's just like they want you to have
Speaker 4: everything in case, like you didn't wear your underwear that
Speaker 4: day or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I would always and I don't.
Speaker 4: Know about this set specifically, but like usually I just
Speaker 4: leave the socks on because I'm like, oh, that's not
Speaker 4: really stealing. I just like left the socks on. So
Speaker 4: I've definitely left the socks on. I don't know about
Speaker 4: like stealing like prop objects or anything. I don't know
Speaker 4: if I've done that. Sometimes people give you stuff, you know,
Speaker 4: like if you have a prop guy, you know, he'll
Speaker 4: give you something.
Speaker 2: I would have taken that pink cart again, and oh
Speaker 2: I should have, and then I would have been like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I left it in the trailer.
Speaker 3: I don't know I should have done that. I could
Speaker 3: have just worn it out. They would have never known.
Speaker 3: It was so cute. How was your How do you
Speaker 3: remember the arrest?
Speaker 1: Also at the very end, when they like are cuffing
Speaker 1: you and you're like this is crazy, and they're like,
Speaker 1: you're going to jail for stealing the ring.
Speaker 3: I loved it.
Speaker 4: Chris Moloni is like kind of rough a little bit,
Speaker 4: and I liked it because it like gave me something
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 3: And also people love that he arrested me.
Speaker 4: Like people always like, oh my gosh, Chris Maloney arrested
Speaker 4: you in Law and Order. Like that's my claim to fame,
Speaker 4: is that Chris Maloney arrested me. Because he has such
Speaker 4: a crazy fan like his fan.
Speaker 3: Base is psycho. A lot of gay men love him.
Speaker 1: I think from his days in Oz right, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: like and now his butt is having like a like
Speaker 1: a resurrection and like he says, and now he's like
Speaker 1: a zaddie and he's doing naked Peloton commercials. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think I don't know whether back then he was into it,
Speaker 1: but now I think he's playing it up. Like I
Speaker 1: think he loves that kind of stuff now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because people seem very impressed by the fact that
Speaker 4: he arrested me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be my dating profile picture for sure.
Speaker 2: Well, and we always talk like he's so toxic now
Speaker 2: when you watch back, and he is really rough and
Speaker 2: breaks the rules often, but like there is a fantasy
Speaker 2: of him like throwing you against a file cabinet, you know,
Speaker 2: so you kind of a little bit.
Speaker 3: That would have been a different ending, maybe a better ending.
Speaker 2: Well you, I you know, we obviously stalked you, so
Speaker 2: I was on Instagram your costumes on this show.
Speaker 3: See looks good? Yes, well tell us about this show too.
Speaker 2: You're also working with hatty Jason Momoa. I would love
Speaker 2: some insight on that.
Speaker 3: That was fun.
Speaker 4: No, Natalie Bronsman did the costumes and gosh, yeah she was.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that was just so incredible. She gave
Speaker 4: me something too. She gave me like, I had this
Speaker 4: cool snake thing, Like it was like a bracelet that
Speaker 4: went all the way over your hand and like it.
Speaker 3: Was like a hand piece.
Speaker 4: I don't even know what you call it. It was
Speaker 4: like a hand piece with like a snake wrapped around.
Speaker 4: So she did give me that. That was amazing.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure you have a lot of occasions to
Speaker 3: wear that too. Well, I haven't actually worn it out
Speaker 3: once Snake camped.
Speaker 4: I know I should wear it actually because it would
Speaker 4: be cool. I should have borne it to the premiere,
Speaker 4: but it just didn't go with my dress.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 4: That was fun, And Jason definitely walked around set with
Speaker 4: his shirt off sometimes because it was very hot in Toronto,
Speaker 4: so that was also fun.
Speaker 3: Just watching what is.
Speaker 1: What's the will you tell us about the show? Like,
Speaker 1: what's the premise of se Okay?
Speaker 4: The premise of s is basically, it's like hundreds of
Speaker 4: years into the future, there's been a virus that has
Speaker 4: basic everybody has like lost their vision. They've got these
Speaker 4: like cataracts and so pretty much the entire population has
Speaker 4: said to adapt to not being able to see, except
Speaker 4: for there's like three characters that can see, and so
Speaker 4: all the powerful people are trying to exploit them to
Speaker 4: like make weapons. Essentially, it's just it's it's like a
Speaker 4: very like sci fi, kind of earthy, lot of good fighting,
Speaker 4: a lot of violence, a lot of violence if you're
Speaker 4: into that. The scenes I kind of have to look away,
Speaker 4: like they're almost too violent. But Jason Wa has a
Speaker 4: lot of amazing fight scenes and see no.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not.
Speaker 4: So they treat my they treat everybody's eyes like in
Speaker 4: post and so your eyes look really cool.
Speaker 3: And and they gave us canes.
Speaker 4: We had like these kind of canes walking sticks, and
Speaker 4: the other thing about it was so interesting is that
Speaker 4: you couldn't look at actors because in this world where
Speaker 4: like nobody because like right now, people who you.
Speaker 3: Know are visually impaired.
Speaker 4: If they're if they're looking at you, it's because they're
Speaker 4: adapting to kind of like the seeing world, like as
Speaker 4: most of us can see. And so they're a minority,
Speaker 4: so they've like kind of had to adapt to, oh,
Speaker 4: try to make like try to.
Speaker 3: Look as closely to the person's eyes.
Speaker 4: But in a world where every nobody can see like that,
Speaker 4: there's no need to like look at them.
Speaker 3: They're just going off there hearing.
Speaker 4: So a lot of times you'd be doing a scene
Speaker 4: in profile, so I'm like listening to somebody here and
Speaker 4: looking that way, so you're almost never making eye contact.
Speaker 4: You're just really never making eye contact. You're looking around
Speaker 4: the person the whole time. And so that was crazy
Speaker 4: to do. That was just so new to me. I've
Speaker 4: never done anything like that, like not being able to
Speaker 4: look at an actor. Like somebody would come and say, oh,
Speaker 4: it looks like you're looking at him, and I was like, well,
Speaker 4: I think I'm just looking past his ear. Well, look
Speaker 4: from the camera perspective, it looks like you're looking at him,
Speaker 4: so look further away.
Speaker 3: You know. That was really weird because we're so used.
Speaker 4: To like like we're so used to listening really with
Speaker 4: our eyes, you know, body language. It's like somebody can
Speaker 4: say one thing, but what they're doing visually is like
Speaker 4: you're getting something else from it. So I found that
Speaker 4: to be like, really that was really challenging, but also
Speaker 4: really fun and totally different and sensual.
Speaker 3: And the costumes. We just had so much stuff to
Speaker 3: play with. So what's life in Utah? Like, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of skiing. I ski a lot. Are you in
Speaker 3: Salt Lake?
Speaker 4: No, I'm actually right now currently in Probo, Utah? And
Speaker 4: then I'm met in you know, Sundance, Utah. It's kind
Speaker 4: of it's not the word the fest festivals in Park City,
Speaker 4: but Sundance is this little tiny like ski resource, small
Speaker 4: ski resort like five chairs. I want to say Robert Redford.
Speaker 4: Robert Redford owns it. They do the Sundance Institute and
Speaker 4: the labs there, but it's not quite where like the
Speaker 4: Giant Festival is the giant big festivals in Park City,
Speaker 4: like thirty minutes forty minutes up the canyon. So it's
Speaker 4: a really beautiful mountain. You guys should definitely come out
Speaker 4: sometime and visit and I'll show you around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you're a girl.
Speaker 3: Nature I really am.
Speaker 4: It was like hard to be in New York for
Speaker 4: so long, but I got so used to it and
Speaker 4: I loved it. But when the option was like when
Speaker 4: it became COVID times, it was just like not a
Speaker 4: question for me. I was like, there's no way, I'm
Speaker 4: just sitting in an apartment for a year and like
Speaker 4: grinding now self tapes, Like I'm just not going to
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just said, like you filmed in Toronto. I'm
Speaker 2: sure there's just always somewhere else.
Speaker 4: That's the thing is that when you get the job,
Speaker 4: you're actually you know, usually that said, I shot tons
Speaker 4: of stuff in New York, so I should spend more
Speaker 4: time there just because that's kind of where my like,
Speaker 4: you know, actor family is, and.
Speaker 3: So I should.
Speaker 4: I should get back my partner Houston, he is from Alabama,
Speaker 4: but he's really like a New York person.
Speaker 3: He just really wants to live in New York.
Speaker 4: But we were kind of all over the place, and
Speaker 4: I was like, I have a home in Utah, Like,
Speaker 4: let's just go live there for a while and figure
Speaker 4: it out and then it's just easy to stay. And
Speaker 4: so we've been here for about a year now. But
Speaker 4: he he was noticing. There's soda shops all over Provo
Speaker 4: at Oorum, Utah, like soda shops.
Speaker 1: So there's like a bar, no soda like so I know,
Speaker 1: but like the way they treat it the way like
Speaker 1: another city would treat me.
Speaker 3: Yes, Like it's like come in here and get your
Speaker 3: your no bars. There's like no bars.
Speaker 4: There's like two bars in the entire city, like there's
Speaker 4: and they're like kind of weird, and it's really hard
Speaker 4: to get a liquor license apparently in Provo because like
Speaker 4: I think BYU kind of owns them, or they don't
Speaker 4: want the more the kids, that's the students to start drinking,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 3: So there's these soda shops.
Speaker 4: One's called Sip and Fizz, one is called So Delicious,
Speaker 4: one is called Pop and Dot. There's like fifteen different
Speaker 4: like like soda places that they're like franchises that I
Speaker 4: see all over Utah.
Speaker 3: And they have lines.
Speaker 4: There's like car lines and they're not cheap, like I've
Speaker 4: gone to one before and got like the red They
Speaker 4: mix soda so they put like red Bull and then
Speaker 4: other flavored soda, so it's like sugar on top of sugar.
Speaker 4: Some of them they give you a free cookie. Wow,
Speaker 4: Like that's that's the that's the vice here is just
Speaker 4: like sugar and soda. Like they don't drink, they don't smoke,
Speaker 4: they eat sugar.
Speaker 3: Wow. That's I know. It is really wild.
Speaker 1: Well, so you're okay, So you're in provo, you're partitioning.
Speaker 1: Is there anything that you want our listeners to check out,
Speaker 1: any like recent projects or anything coming up that you
Speaker 1: want us to keep an eye out.
Speaker 3: Just pray for me, Just keep me in your prayers.
Speaker 4: No, I've had a sad like I don't want is
Speaker 4: called a sad year, but just a lot of close calls,
Speaker 4: a lot of those kind of jobs were you're just
Speaker 4: like kind of heartbroken. You just get it's like the
Speaker 4: feeling of like somebody just broke up with you and
Speaker 4: broke your heart. Like that's like they were so close
Speaker 4: that you're like the carrot is like really close and
Speaker 4: gets closer and then all of a sudden just know
Speaker 4: it's somebody else.
Speaker 3: They want with somebody else.
Speaker 4: And that's been happening so many so much this year,
Speaker 4: and now we're in this writer strike.
Speaker 3: So it was just like, dang, this is I'm like,
Speaker 3: is it just? Is it over for me? No?
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are feeling that way
Speaker 1: that it's like just bouncing back from the pandemic.
Speaker 3: Still totally everything. Yeah, it's really different.
Speaker 4: It's really different doing the self tapes because I think
Speaker 4: they just they cast a much wider net.
Speaker 3: Wait, have you have you ever met another Tris?
Speaker 4: Okay, my mom's name is Trieste, my grandma's name is Tries,
Speaker 4: and my great aunt's name is Tris, and then there's
Speaker 4: some others in the family too.
Speaker 3: So okay, family name all right? Cool? So sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: you've met a for you. This was very fun. I
Speaker 3: know you so much. Nice to meet you guys too.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for taking the time to tell
Speaker 1: us about your SVU experience or your life.
Speaker 4: Thanks for reminding me of that episode because it was
Speaker 4: really fun and it's good to be reminded.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Triste so cool living the life in Utah.
Speaker 2: Cool girl, really cool girl, best character, dream character, rich
Speaker 2: bitch who thinks they got away with it all but
Speaker 2: arrest sit at the end.
Speaker 3: Silver bracelets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so why that's why we go to the movies.
Speaker 3: JK. We come to this place for magic. Yeah, for
Speaker 3: people getting.
Speaker 1: Arrested and the Cliffhairer, the Biffer rich bitches falsting their
Speaker 1: poy boyfriends to kill their poker partners. I feel bad
Speaker 1: for the guy, but I hate when Maloney, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I relate to him. I was also poor.
Speaker 1: It's like, shut up, yeah, it's like he killed a woman. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he strangled a woman in a rage over money. And
Speaker 1: you're like, there's just something about this kid. I think
Speaker 1: he's good on the inside. It's like what I just hate.
Speaker 2: I get it when it's like the parent stuff and
Speaker 2: you just feel for these children.
Speaker 3: But this is too far.
Speaker 2: You know, this is way too far to like want
Speaker 2: to give a pass to someone who who did murder
Speaker 2: a woman. I don't care if it was because of
Speaker 2: gambling debts, Like then get your own legs broken.
Speaker 3: And that's not my part.
Speaker 2: Like, I just I hate when Maloney has a soft
Speaker 2: spot for just like looking like someone that looks like him.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it bothers me.
Speaker 1: We've also just seen so many episodes of the show
Speaker 1: where a man is like either in the on the
Speaker 1: at the defense table or like being exited from the
Speaker 1: courtroom where he's like, why are you doing this? And
Speaker 1: it's just a woman fucking him over. So I kind
Speaker 1: of love that though. I do love when like he's like,
Speaker 1: but babe, I did it all for you and.
Speaker 3: She's like audios. It was just a great, great scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the damaged, the damaged of it all. He was
Speaker 2: gonna go to jail for life for Mari Grainer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or even the guy who in Mother who like
Speaker 1: thought that he was like in love with his therapist.
Speaker 3: Was like, why are you doing this? I love you?
Speaker 1: Like there's so much like protests of love in the courtroom.
Speaker 3: John, what is it?
Speaker 2: John Abraham? John Abrams? It's always tough with the last names.
Speaker 2: Casey's type in, Casey's type in He's finding it.
Speaker 3: But I think it's Abra.
Speaker 2: What did you think of John Abram's resident John Abrams,
Speaker 2: it's John Abrams. No, there's an h John Abraham, John
Speaker 2: Abraham's yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh good. A great former guy.
Speaker 2: And you know he's in one of my favorite movies, Prime,
Speaker 2: which I'm sure Kara hasn't seen.
Speaker 3: I have seen pieces of it.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember it because in that movie, doesn't
Speaker 1: Meryl streep tell him not to do Q tips in
Speaker 1: your ears or something like that. I always remember that
Speaker 1: part because I, well, you tipping my ears is one
Speaker 1: of my greatest joys in life, and I don't care
Speaker 1: if you're not supposed to do it.
Speaker 3: I love it so much.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because Uma Thurman's like in therapy with Meryl's streep,
Speaker 2: and Merrill's caught on that UMA's dating her son, but
Speaker 2: she's still testing the waters to know like when ethically
Speaker 2: she should hop out right because she also doesn't want
Speaker 2: to ditch her client if it's a fling. But then
Speaker 2: UMA's like, what kind of mother would do that to
Speaker 2: her son? And the Meryl's streep gets all like defensive
Speaker 2: about ear canals. No, I love a Q tip. I
Speaker 2: love a cue tip for a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: It feels so clean after I Q tip those ears
Speaker 1: out after a shower.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's kind of Yes, this is why you come to
Speaker 2: this podcast to hear about the joys of Q tipping.
Speaker 3: Yes. Post mortom of this episode, what did we learn?
Speaker 1: Don't ever think that a rich bitch that you need
Speaker 1: to pay for with money is going to stay with you,
Speaker 1: because the minute you lose even a few dollars.
Speaker 3: She's out of there, you know, like, don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're young, you're young. This isn't real love, Like,
Speaker 2: get out of there. Don't work with ultimatums or having
Speaker 2: to like ruin your life to be with someone, not
Speaker 2: the thing, not the gig, bitch.
Speaker 3: Don't And like I.
Speaker 1: Respect the hustle of the like selling of the term
Speaker 1: papers and the playing poker and stuff, but you can't
Speaker 1: take it, like just don't. Don't get wrapped up in
Speaker 1: the illegal stuff because then you're just gonna get busted.
Speaker 1: You don't have the high powered lawyer to help get
Speaker 1: you out of this shit the way that Gloria cole
Speaker 1: Hayne does. You know, it's like what you were just
Speaker 1: talking about. Oh, Lisa just sent me this TikTok. That
Speaker 1: was this girl woman. That's like, I'm a lawyer, and
Speaker 1: here are the things I'm gonna tell my kids. Don't
Speaker 1: call me from jail and confess to me that you
Speaker 1: did something bad on the phone. They're recording that conversation.
Speaker 1: If you have trauma, don't hide trauma, get it out.
Speaker 1: Tell people, seek professional help immediately. That will not only
Speaker 1: helps with your mental well being, but it helps with
Speaker 1: your case for criminal or civil lawsuits down the road.
Speaker 1: But then the third thing she was saying was don't
Speaker 1: make the cover up worse than the crime, Like don't
Speaker 1: you know, like that's kind of what happened to this
Speaker 1: guy in this episode. It's like when something goes wrong
Speaker 1: right away the one hundred and fifty k or whatever, like,
Speaker 1: just go get help and figure that problem out. Don't
Speaker 1: keep committing crimes to cover up your thing, because it
Speaker 1: takes you that she goes that's how people spiral.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I definitely sent that to you immediately in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: I knew that your future children's I need well know.
Speaker 1: First of all, I have to I'm going to tattoo
Speaker 1: that TikTok on Oscar's body because he is absolutely gonna
Speaker 1: call me from jail one day, like there's no question,
Speaker 1: and I need to be like, you keep it zipped up.
Speaker 3: You just tell me where you are and I'm coming
Speaker 3: to get you. Thank God.
Speaker 2: When I got arrested, I was so wasted that I
Speaker 2: was denying everything. So I was on the phone being
Speaker 2: like I didn't do anything these you call your parents.
Speaker 3: Now, my sister, my sister, Yeah, come on.
Speaker 1: I was also gonna say, I bet you could just
Speaker 1: speak Russian. I doubt they've got like an interpreter on hand.
Speaker 1: You could just be like in Russian, like I fucked up,
Speaker 1: Come get me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you definitely.
Speaker 2: I would suggest don't call your parents who don't speak
Speaker 2: English from jail.
Speaker 1: That will not work. You gotta call the siblings. You
Speaker 1: gotta call a sibling.
Speaker 2: But also gamble for fun. No, that's blaming the victim.
Speaker 1: Sorry, but yeah, I guess I would say, if you
Speaker 1: are fleecing a humongous professional football player for his diamond
Speaker 1: ring that costs one hundred thousand dollars, maybe don't like
Speaker 1: laugh in his face and gloat because he's going to
Speaker 1: get quite angry at you, although he didn't end up
Speaker 1: doing anything. But still, don't lie to your wives. They
Speaker 1: know the truth. Quit lying to your wives. Oh.
Speaker 2: I started watching the Ashley Madison thing, but I didn't
Speaker 2: finish it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there's a doc a new doc out.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, I know, I know, I heard
Speaker 1: a sham Dock is really sweet. I would love to
Speaker 1: watch the Wham Duck. It's like all about how much
Speaker 1: the other guy from WAM just like loved George Michael
Speaker 1: and was like, yeah, you could tell he was a star.
Speaker 1: And after WAM was over, he was just like I'm out,
Speaker 1: Like I'm just gonna like George can just take the fame,
Speaker 1: like I'm good. I had a great ride, you know,
Speaker 1: like did he did he was he able to live
Speaker 1: on residuals from the music or did he have to
Speaker 1: get her like a job?
Speaker 3: Probably I think he did, that's what. That's what my friend.
Speaker 1: My friend was actually Georgia telling me all about it,
Speaker 1: but like she was saying too that it was like
Speaker 1: they used to. He used to just like he knew
Speaker 1: George was gay and he would just like help him
Speaker 1: cover and be like oh yeah, we're just like Sleigh
Speaker 1: and Pussy left and right. But like he was covering
Speaker 1: for help him covering for him. My god, this guy
Speaker 1: from WAM. What a little ally an Ali hero. I
Speaker 1: guess I'll throw this out there. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: loved the movie joy Ride. Oh yeah, the port Asian Women.
Speaker 1: So you know, the movie is a comedy.
Speaker 2: So we're laughing and after you know, and our mutual
Speaker 2: friend has a really nice big laugh.
Speaker 3: Okay, and it's nada.
Speaker 1: If you're a stand up you love to hear it
Speaker 1: because it's like coming from her gut and she like
Speaker 1: loves what you're saying, and she's it's not annoying to
Speaker 1: me at all, And I have friends with annoying laughs. No,
Speaker 1: because it's realizing she's not putting on anything.
Speaker 3: It's truly her enjoying life.
Speaker 2: And after the movie ends, you know, the light's go up,
Speaker 2: we stand up and a woman turns to her and goes,
Speaker 2: you really laughed out loud at the movie, And it's
Speaker 2: like the comedy, like, are you shading the movie that
Speaker 2: it's bad or that my friend is laughing? Like, of
Speaker 2: course we're laughing at the movie. It's a funny movie.
Speaker 2: It just sickens me. It sickens me.
Speaker 3: I mean we're at dinner time.
Speaker 1: People hate her laugh and it is I mean, it
Speaker 1: helps me get my rage out because I get to
Speaker 1: defend a friend.
Speaker 3: So for me sometimes I'm like, it's just so crazy.
Speaker 3: What do you look. She's been at my stand up,
Speaker 3: she's been at our live shows.
Speaker 1: I love hearing her laugh, Like I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's just because she's my friend, but it's all Also
Speaker 1: it's like that means you're not having fun like, why
Speaker 1: are you sitting in silence getting mad?
Speaker 3: Like you should be laughing.
Speaker 2: We should all be laughing, and if you're not, don't
Speaker 2: drag people down to the depths of misery with you
Speaker 2: like that. So whatever, whatever, Well, we're moving on, give
Speaker 2: them the chatty.
Speaker 3: Let's go. No, well, we're going to what would Sister
Speaker 3: Peg do?
Speaker 1: Our WWSPD segment where we tell you point you guys
Speaker 1: to a resource, a blog, a book, a podcast episode.
Speaker 3: We even did a made for television movie recently.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all over the place, but something to
Speaker 1: give you more information about what we talked about in
Speaker 1: today's episode and listen. SVU has made a full character
Speaker 1: choice with Rawlins having a gambling problem. Clearly the kids
Speaker 1: in this episode have gambling problems, so we thought we
Speaker 1: would point out the National Problem Gambling Helpline, which is
Speaker 1: one eight hundred gambler. As shown in the episode, gambling
Speaker 1: can be really destructive addiction.
Speaker 3: It correct people's lives.
Speaker 1: This network is a single national access point to local
Speaker 1: resources for those seeking help with a gambling problem. Even
Speaker 1: if you know someone who's just like getting in a
Speaker 1: little bit too deep with online poker or it feels
Speaker 1: like that's where they're deriving all of their.
Speaker 3: Like dopamine from like it.
Speaker 1: It could end up being problematic, so maybe just seek
Speaker 1: out some help. It's available twenty four to seven and
Speaker 1: as one hundred percent confidential. It includes a text and
Speaker 1: a chat feature if you don't want to talk on
Speaker 1: the phone. So if you know anyone who's suffering with
Speaker 1: a gambling addiction, give them a call at one eight
Speaker 1: hundred Gambler And that will obviously, as always be posted
Speaker 1: on our Instagram stories and in our WWSPD Instagram highlight
Speaker 1: that where we save all of our past organizations and resources.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for that, And next week we
Speaker 2: will be doing the episode spouse so privilege. You heard
Speaker 2: that correct, Season sixteen, episode eight, join us star studded.
Speaker 2: We should say something else, Thanks for listening.
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