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I'm jug gottlie in for 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 4: your boy, Colin Cowherd, and for the next couple of hours, 13 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 4: I want to talk sports with you. This is weird, right, 14 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 4: So Colin moved to the Midwest following me. Right, let's 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 4: just be honest. I followed him to Fox to where 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 4: I grew up in southern California. Then he follows me 17 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 4: to the Midwest. But now I'm in California and I 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 4: ease in parts unknown. Right, Hey, this is just the thing. 19 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 4: I have to state this because it's true. Obviously, Colin 20 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 4: I for years have gone back and forth about the 21 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 4: hat backwards thing that he has, right, But here's my thing. 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: I'm gonna state this because I know it to be true. 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 4: A lot of you saw our Boycoin Cowherd at live 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 4: golf last weekend. Right, Okay, can we get together and 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 4: form some sort of petition or have some sort of 26 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 4: on air teaching Colin how to wear a hat, because 27 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 4: if you're going to criticize others for wearing their hat 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 4: backwards and how it looks, that's fine, then I'm going 29 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 4: to criticize you for not understanding the basics of how 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 4: to wear a ball cap, which is you don't put 31 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 4: it on top of your hair so that your hair 32 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: is still showing. That's not ball cap, wearing one on 33 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 4: one everybody. And when you wear it that way, much 34 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 4: like he believes you have your hat backwards, you wear 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 4: it that way, it gives off the perception of you're 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 4: trying to be a younger bro. It's not actually try. 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 4: I disagree, but again he's talking about perception. I'm telling you, 38 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 4: the perception is that guy's never played a sport in 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 4: his life, definitely never played baseball. If he doesn't know 40 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 4: how to wear a ball cap, is that fair? 41 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 3: Okay? 42 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: So I just I wanted I was waiting for this day, 43 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: maybe the last day fill in for Colin very possible. Okay, 44 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 4: I love my boy, but I saw him last week 45 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 4: and I was like, can middlekough middle cooff doesn't have 46 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 4: this because he has no hair? Right, he fired it 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 4: before quit on him. I got it. Colin has great hair. 48 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: That's real hair. He's got there. There's no implans, no nothing, 49 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 4: that's a real, real mop And he's been living on 50 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 4: this hat backwards thing. He got the Cowboys coach turning 51 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 4: his hat around. That really happened this year. Great mission accomplished, 52 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 4: Colin Cowhert. Dude, what are you doing? All right, Let's 53 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 4: get to the story of the day Michigan was levied 54 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 4: fines and suspensions. And look, I don't know if this 55 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 4: comes to be. And the reason I say that is 56 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: I'm actually a coach for Wisconsin Green Bay, which Division 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: one program. We are under you know, NCAA rules and regulations, 58 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: just like anybody else. And what I have come to 59 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 4: learn first observing as a basketball analyst and a radio 60 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: show host and a TV yaker, and now I know 61 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 4: is the general thought in college athletics of the NCAA 62 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 4: and the NCAA is not some d'arconian organization made it 63 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 4: out to be it's just the conglomerate of schools, and 64 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: you know, it's like being mad at cong Risk when 65 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 4: there's actually you know, every state has the right to 66 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 4: vote their rights. They vote their opinions for their constituents. 67 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 4: And you just say I don't like Congress. Well yeah, 68 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: well there's fifty states, so you don't like the individual representatives. 69 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 4: These are the individual schools. 70 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: But there is. 71 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 4: The Board of infractions. 72 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: Right. 73 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: The general thought from most people is no matter what 74 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 4: rules the NCAA comes up with, if you sue, they'll lose. 75 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 4: Now here's where the NCAA has gotten smart over the 76 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 4: past couple of years. The new rules and regulations in 77 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: terms of roster limitations and this opt in that our 78 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 4: program is a part of. In most college athletic programs 79 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 4: outside the Ivy League are a part of. All of 80 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 4: these rules supposedly are lawsuit proof, right, there's a reason 81 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 4: that they're put in place. They feel like their lawsuit 82 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 4: proof and they'll stabilize things for the next couple of 83 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 4: years dream scenario, maybe even ten years of some form 84 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 4: of stabilization. So I say that because when I read 85 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 4: to you what Michigan's been punished, just understand that very 86 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: likely that Michigan appeals, ensues and tries to get out 87 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 4: of it. Right, Okay, So I don't need to go 88 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 4: through what they were doing with the signs, deealing. I 89 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 4: can only tell you that in my opinion without seeing 90 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 4: how much Jim Harbaugh knew. It's one of those Hey, 91 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 4: I don't care you're doing advanced scouting, give me the calls, 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 4: get them for me. Give me the calls. And when 93 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 4: you're running a program as big as Michigan in my program, 94 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 4: you know my email right now? I have to It's 95 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 4: I have to do every I'm a CEO. I have 96 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 4: to worry about every little different department and oh yeah, 97 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 4: by the way, much like Doge, what can we cut, 98 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 4: what can we keep? How little can we spend to 99 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 4: get the most out of it because we have to 100 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 4: compensate the student athlete. Now, but I'm gonna commend the NCAA. Look, 101 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 4: do I think this was a dog and pony show? 102 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 4: I do? Do I think was that this was? Do 103 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 4: I think there's another Connor Stallions out there? I'm not sure. 104 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 4: I don't know. I do know that every college program, 105 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 4: basketball or football tries to figure out what the signs 106 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 4: are for the other for the other team, and that's 107 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 4: what you do. 108 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 3: What you do it. 109 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 4: You're not allowed unless you're playing in a tournament in basketball, 110 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 4: to scout in person. So you watch on video and 111 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 4: if they pull on their ear, if they tug on 112 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 4: their jersey, if they tap their head, you try and 113 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 4: figure out what exactly the set is, what exactly they're doing, 114 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: so you know what's coming. And if you can't pick 115 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 4: it up on video or I if you can, you 116 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 4: call somebody who's played them, because every coach has an 117 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 4: assistant or a manager that's sitting on their bench. And 118 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 4: when you say, hey, that's earpool, Earpool, write that down, Earpool, 119 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 4: what is it? 120 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 3: Hey? 121 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 4: Then you go in at halftime and you make sure 122 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 4: that you have it listed. So if they pull out 123 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 4: their ear in the second half, this is what they're doing. 124 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 4: And usually you know beforehand because you've talked to coaches 125 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: that have coached against them, because they keep a running 126 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 4: tab of what they're calling and how it coincides with 127 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 4: what they're doing on the floor. Makes sense. Okay, So 128 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: my point is I'm not excusing the behavior of Michigan. 129 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 4: I'm just telling you that everybody on some former fashion 130 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 4: does it feels like they overdid it and they got 131 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 4: caught and then they won. But once they started winning, 132 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 4: they probably they didn't have this brogram in place and 133 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 4: they were in people's heads. And oh yeah, by the way, 134 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 4: if you didn't know signs stealing took place, why do 135 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 4: you have three different people putting the signs out? Because 136 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 4: two are fake signs? Right, you know they're looking, so 137 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 4: let's not act like you're surprised that there's somebody in 138 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: the stands or some video camera trying to get it. 139 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 4: That was Bill Belichick's entire argument. Right, we film the game, 140 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 4: they're running in signs at the game. Why can't we 141 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 4: just film the sideline and then what it coincides with 142 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 4: on the field. The big question for Belichick was were 143 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 4: they filming practice? That, of course, is a no no. 144 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 4: And most coaches are incredibly paranoid. If they say a 145 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 4: video camera running when they're in an empty gym or 146 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 4: an empty stadium, Okay, they'll freak out. They'll have somebody 147 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 4: go put a towel over it or whatever they do. 148 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: I mean, heck, if you played youth football and I 149 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 4: did you know this right before the game, you'll be 150 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 4: running through plays. What do you do with the players 151 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 4: who aren't involved? You line them up so that the 152 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 4: other coach can't look down and see what you're doing. Right, 153 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 4: And every high school football coach college football coach has 154 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 4: been paranoid for years at practice, at covering up what 155 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 4: you're doing. You know, high school coaches, especially making sure 156 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 4: there's empty stadiums when they're running through their game plan 157 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 4: for the next day. So let's not act like we're 158 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,199 Speaker 4: surprised if this happens, or that Michigan's the only one 159 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 4: doing it. They got caught doing it at a higher 160 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 4: level and then ultimately succeeding while doing it. Here's the punishment. 161 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: Four years of probation, financial penalties, A fifty thousand dollars 162 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 4: fine plus ten percent of the budget of the football program, 163 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 4: an equivalent to the anticipated loss of all postseason competition 164 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 4: revenue sharing associated with the twenty twenty five twenty twenty 165 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 4: six football seasons. A fine equivalent to the cost of 166 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 4: ten percent of scholarships awarded to Michigan's football programs in 167 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 4: the twenty five to twenty six academic year. A twenty 168 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 4: five percent reduction official football visits in twenty five to 169 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 4: twenty six, a fourteen week probation recruiting communications in the 170 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 4: football program during the probation period, and then Connor Stallion's 171 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 4: eight year show cause. Harbaugh, you knew he had a 172 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: ten year show cause. Denard Robinson wasn't he shoelaces, wasn't 173 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 4: his nickname when he played our shoe strings when he 174 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: played there as quarterback? Three year show cause, restricted from 175 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 4: all athletically related activities. That's a big one. That means 176 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 4: he can't really coach in college football. Whereas the show 177 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 4: cause means you have to show cause for hiring somebody. 178 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 4: It doesn't mean you can't coach. You can't get the job. 179 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 4: You have to just go through an infractions committee and 180 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 4: say you're sorry and say you've improved. It's much like 181 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 4: the probation department, you know, when you're trying to remember 182 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 4: the start of Shawshank redemption, where you have to say 183 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 4: that you're a changed man type deal. And then Sharon 184 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:25,839 Speaker 4: Moore got a two year show cause, but he's still 185 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 4: the head coach, so that doesn't matter. And he suspended 186 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 4: a total of three games. Michigan imposed a two game 187 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 4: suspension for this year. The panel says he's got to 188 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 4: be suspended one additional game. Do you want to know why? 189 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 4: It's an awesome punishment because it hits them in the wallet. 190 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 4: They're not taking down a banner that we know they 191 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 4: earned and that you can't. 192 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 5: Do. 193 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 4: You guys, remember Men in Black? Right, remember the little 194 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 4: silver thing that Will Smith or Tommy Lee Jones would 195 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 4: hold up and press it, and everybody's memory would be 196 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: a race. Your short term memories is zapped. Like don't 197 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 4: you wish that occurred in life? Would that'd be so cool? 198 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 4: You're like in an argument with your girlfriend, your wife, 199 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 4: and you're just like two, Like what we're even argue about? 200 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 4: I don't know, mabe, how you doing right? Reset? Well, 201 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 4: the that's called a neuralizer. Don't ask me how I know? 202 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 3: O gay. 203 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 4: Men in Black called it a neuralizer. There is no 204 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 4: neuralizer where we can hit the button. And Louisville's twenty 205 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 4: thirteen NCAA Championship is a race for our memory banks. 206 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: Right. 207 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 4: We all saw it. We saw Trey Burke cleanly blocked 208 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 4: Peyton Siva. It didn't get called as a clean block. 209 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 4: It changed the momentum of that game. And Rick Patino's 210 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 4: Louisville Cardinal. Hey, Luke Hancock and the boys end up 211 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 4: winning a national championship. That's a real thing. Banner, no banner. 212 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 4: Nobody's giving back their rings. Nobody's saying I'm not an 213 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 4: NCAA champion. That's just dumb. How do you really punish 214 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 4: a university? And the answer is you take the money, 215 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 4: right and who does this ultimately hurt? That's a lot 216 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 4: of money. Ten percent of the budget of the football 217 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 4: program at the University of Michigan. Okay, we calculating coaches 218 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 4: salaries in the budget, yep. We calculate a recruiting budget, yep. 219 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 4: Are we calculating rev share in that budget? I don't 220 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 4: know that it's going to be a lot of money. Now, 221 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 4: I'm guessing Minisum Michigan will appeal and they'll probably sue 222 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 4: because it's a lot of money. And as much as 223 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 4: lawyer fees are a lot of money, I just ten 224 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 4: percent of scholarships a word a Michigan football program. Okay, 225 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 4: So what is an eighty thousand dollars scholarship a year? 226 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 4: Nine ten percent is eight grand eight grand times? What 227 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 4: do you have? One hundred and five? Now in college football, 228 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 4: you do the math. That's a lot of money. That's 229 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 4: just the eight hundred or so grand plus you got 230 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 4: to take what you were going to get. And you're like, well, 231 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 4: what if they didn't make the postseason? And know what 232 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: they're talking about is everyone in your league gets a 233 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 4: portion of the postseason revenue. You get I believe two 234 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 4: shares if you play, and then if you win, you 235 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 4: get additional shares of it. So that's a lot of money. 236 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 4: Now they didn't and I apparently can't take the TV revenue. 237 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 4: They can't take the in stadium revenue right where you're 238 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 4: making probably I don't know Michigan one hundred thousand people. 239 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: I can only estimate between one hundred and one hundred 240 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: and fifty million dollars per year from in stadium revenue. 241 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 4: So they'll be fine, don't get me wrong, but taking 242 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: away the money is the only way to truly, truly 243 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 4: punish college sports programs because it is all about the money. Now, 244 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 4: you want to know what hurts the most. I would 245 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 4: not want to be the coach of Michigan softball, Michigan baseball, 246 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 4: swim and diving, right, I feel terrible for Michigan hockey, 247 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 4: women's basketball, because Dusty May. They raised a bunch of money. 248 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 4: They got a squad. I know they wanted to play 249 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 4: us who don't want to play us? And we're like, 250 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 4: I don't really want to get forty piece by Michigan. 251 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: No thanks, not into that. They got a squad there. 252 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 4: I don't know what their budget is. Probably ten million 253 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 4: dollars right, maybe maybe more fifteen I don't know. They 254 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 4: have a top ten program. They're awesome, right, and they 255 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 4: already have the contracts for their roster of football players. Right, 256 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 4: those contracts are done, they have to pay those players, 257 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 4: and I'm guessing it's somewhere in the twenty twenty five 258 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 4: million dollar range overall with salaries, right, because Ohio State 259 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 4: was they won the national championship. Everybody said they were 260 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 4: kind of top of the top of the heap in 261 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 4: the low twenties twenty million, So you got to calculate one, 262 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 4: every Michigan's going to try and get to that level, 263 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 4: and then two there's some sort of inflation. Can we 264 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 4: say twenty five million? 265 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: Right? 266 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 4: Then you got a factor in the coaching staff you're 267 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 4: talking about. I don't know, somewhere in the fifty million 268 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 4: dollar variety they have to be you have to be 269 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 4: competitive in football, you have to be competitive in basketball 270 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 4: because that's where you make your money. So what I 271 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 4: love is that they hit him where it hurts. Again, 272 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 4: I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that. I 273 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: don't know all the facts in the case, and I 274 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 4: don't have the time to kind of delineate how big 275 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: a deal this actually is. I do think that this 276 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 4: is kind of classic NCAA and it's like anything else, 277 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: like you know, supposedly this is Ohio State fans finding 278 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 4: this out, turning them in. We saw what likely Texas 279 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: fans did to John Mattier this week. It's like you 280 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 4: allowing fans to matter is a mistake in litigating something 281 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 4: like this, in my opinion, allowing them to be whistleblowers 282 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 4: and oh my gosh, gotcha, because what that does is 283 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 4: now Michigan fans are going to have their cell phones 284 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 4: on and try and find Ohio State guys. And you know, 285 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: there's all this, you know, all this back and forth. 286 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 4: But whatever, they did a lengthy investigation, this is what 287 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 4: they found out. And for years it was scholarship productions, 288 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 4: right and taking down banners. Well, you can't take away 289 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 4: scholarships now, because if you take away a player's scholarship, 290 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 4: you say, hey, instead of I think it's one hundred 291 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 4: and five, I'm sorry, we don't have a football program. 292 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 4: I don't care about those numbers that used to be 293 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 4: eighty five. And what they've done is they've done instead 294 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 4: of scholarship limitations, it's roster limitations, it's roster limitations. And 295 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 4: again we were told that the reason they did roster limitations, 296 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 4: says scholarship limitations is their lawsuit proof that this is 297 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 4: what This is how sports can survive lawsuits. Where you're 298 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: not cutting scholarships, you're simply cutting roster spots. That's all 299 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 4: you can have. You can do. Every spot can be 300 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 4: a scholarship, or half of them can be scholarships, or 301 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 4: none of it can be spot. You can do whatever 302 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 4: you want within your own domain. If you opted in, 303 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 4: and Michigan of course opted in. I'm Doug Gottliebin for Colin. 304 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 4: This is the hurt Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. What 305 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 4: you need to know is what you need to know 306 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 4: is Michigan got hit what it hurts right, got hit 307 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 4: where it hurts in the wallet, in the wallet. And 308 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 4: if you ask any Michigan coach or administrator. Okay, four years, 309 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: they felt like, despite the fact we're Michigan, uh that 310 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 4: the hardest part for them was raising the money and 311 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 4: getting up to the level of Ohio State, because Ohio 312 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 4: State has never cared about anything other than how can 313 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 4: we put the best team on the field. Michigan liked 314 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 4: to have the academic repute. Well, how State just want 315 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 4: to win championsip pips. Ohio States run fast and loose 316 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 4: with rules for a lifetime, especially in the football side. Okay, 317 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 4: I'm guessing probably Michigan did too, only they like Notre Dame, 318 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 4: like to feel like they're academically above it. They finally 319 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: got to the level of full investment from the university 320 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 4: on the football program, and now they're losing what ten 321 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 4: percent of their budget and all of their posts what 322 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 4: would have been postseason revenue. And my guess is what 323 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 4: that hurts most is all the Olympic sports, the ones 324 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: that you don't hear about. Olympic sports are picked, the 325 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 4: one you don't soccer, hockey, track and field, lacrosse, any 326 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 4: of those ones their budgets chopped, and what you do 327 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 4: is then you move it over cleverly to Michigan Football. Well, 328 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 4: you can't. We cut the budget. There's always ways, always ways. 329 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 4: What do I know? I just worked for ancient institution. 330 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 4: This is The Herd on Fox Sports Trading and the 331 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 4: iHeartRadio app Coming up next, could shador standards be a 332 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 4: starter in the NFL. We'll get TJ. Huschman Zana's opinion 333 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 4: that coming next. I'm Doug Gottlieb. 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Subscribe. 363 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 4: That's a big thing. All right, Let's welcome in the 364 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 4: former Pro Bowl wide receiver, longtime guest of my show 365 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 4: other shows. Of course, he's h'sh Tjoshpinzada. He joins us 366 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 4: now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Who'shu shud 367 00:20:55,560 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 4: or Sanders So the good is after the first couple series, 368 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 4: look good, you know, look confident, deliver the ball with accuracy, 369 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 4: move well in the pocket. Like I'm not going to 370 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: sit here and tell you I know the quarterback position 371 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 4: like you do or like coaches do. But look, it 372 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 4: wasn't like he didn't look like he belonged out there. 373 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 4: He looked really good. But that's first preseason game. It's 374 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 4: not with the ones. It's not against the ones. And 375 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 4: there's a lot of quarterbacks that have looked good, that 376 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 4: are young, that are inexperienced, and that are not starters. 377 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 4: What's your assessment of Shador at this point in time 378 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 4: and how he looks. 379 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 3: I thought he looked great, to be honest with you, 380 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 3: And you're right, he wasn't going against the ones. But 381 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 3: very rarely do we see a quarterback drafted in the 382 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: fifth round play this way in his first NFL game. Ever, 383 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 3: we haven't seen that. I don't know if we can 384 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: recall a quarterback that wasn't drafted in the first round 385 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: playing like this his first game. Now, obviously we would 386 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 3: like to see how he would perform going again starters, 387 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 3: But when you watch that game, the touch, the anticipation 388 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 3: and he played on time. That translates now, maybe that 389 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: first touchdown throw in a back corner against the Ones. 390 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 3: When he threw that ball, I was like, ooh, that's 391 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 3: a pick. Oh great throw. Maybe that's an incompletion. But 392 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 3: he just trusts himself so much. And when you play 393 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 3: with confidence like it sucks that he's not going to 394 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 3: be able to play this weekend because of his oblique injury, 395 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: because I would have liked the scene how he would 396 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 3: have looked tomorrow. But that was a first step in 397 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 3: the right direction. He should be proud of himself. But 398 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 3: we know this playing sports. It's not what you did yesterday, 399 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: it's what can you do today and tomorrow and every 400 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: day moving forward. 401 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 4: Okay, so let's get into it for a second. I actually, 402 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 4: you know, it's interesting. I love the path that he 403 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 4: had playing college football from this perspective, and is he 404 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,239 Speaker 4: went to a level that was honestly well below his 405 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 4: level of competency coming out of high school. Right he 406 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 4: was like a three four star or whatever, and you know, 407 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 4: he's recruited like Southern Miss level. So instead goes to 408 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 4: Jackson State, obviously plays for his dad, but he gets 409 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 4: to start for two years. Then they jump up and 410 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 4: he gets to start for two years at Colorado and 411 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 4: because he's I mean, this is honestly, who should Maybe 412 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 4: this is a little bit too much in the Beltway, 413 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 4: you know, behind the curtain, but in recruiting at my 414 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 4: level and really kind of at any level, but at 415 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 4: my level, we don't necessarily want a power five kid 416 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 4: transferring down because in order for a power five kid 417 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,479 Speaker 4: to transfer down to our level, he'd likely didn't play. 418 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 4: So he doesn't have the confidence because he hasn't actually 419 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 4: done it before. And because he was at a higher level, 420 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 4: he thinks that he's better than he actually is because 421 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 4: our level is actually pretty darn good. Right, So he 422 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 4: did the reverse, which is what we try and do 423 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 4: in recruiting, which is, hey start at this level, kill it, 424 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 4: and then go to the next level, get paid, but 425 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 4: also play against better competition. But you have confidence. And 426 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 4: we've recruited two D two kids that have supreme self 427 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 4: confidence because they were dominant Division two one, Division three player. Anyway, 428 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 4: point is he's confident, he's well rounded, he's seen lots 429 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 4: of different football because he's actually played it. But what 430 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 4: everyone said was missing was really two things, right. It 431 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 4: was the the lack of engagement in those meetings, and 432 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 4: really it comes down to the feeling of entitlement. And 433 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 4: then two from a football perspective, it's does he have 434 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 4: a big time arm and is he a big time athlete? 435 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 4: Let's start with the entitlement piece. Does it as a 436 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 4: pro as a vet shows up, got the entourage, got 437 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 4: a guy carry in his bag, somebody filming him, that's 438 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 4: part of who he is. Does that affect the locker 439 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 4: room at all? 440 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 3: No, we got to understand who is this. It's a 441 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 3: new day and age man. These young kids or young men, 442 00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 3: they've grown up in a influencer era. Everything that they 443 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 3: do they want to record it, they want to have 444 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 3: memories that they want to have everything on video. That's 445 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 3: just what this generation is and we got to get 446 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 3: used to that. Like that, the arrogance, like people, Oh 447 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 3: he's cocky, he's arrogant. He he may have been, but 448 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 3: I promise you you want somebody with supreme confidence over 449 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: somebody that has no confidence. 450 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,360 Speaker 4: There's a middle there's a middle ground there, right. I mean, 451 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 4: look what they try to do. What they try to 452 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 4: do is they try to dictate where he was going. 453 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 4: And so that was a lesson learned. 454 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 3: Right like that, that was a lesson learned from them. 455 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 3: If that's what they try to do, that's a lesson learned. 456 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 3: But I promise you, I would rather you be cocky 457 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 3: then you have no confidence. Because the cockiness that many 458 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 3: perceived him to have, he was somewhat humble because of 459 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: what happened. I believe he's going to be a really 460 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 3: good player because. 461 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 4: He has that. 462 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 3: I can't be as cocky as I will if I'm 463 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: trying to control where I go and I go on 464 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 3: the fifth round. But I'm gonna be me and me 465 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:14,120 Speaker 3: is uber confident, super belief in myself, and that goes 466 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 3: so fine. I think people forget that. Man, if you 467 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 3: don't have belief, you might as well give it up. 468 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 4: You could not be more right. 469 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: T J. 470 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 4: Huschman's out, a former Pro Bowl wide receiver joining us, 471 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 4: the wide receiver whisperer himself kind of to spend some 472 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 4: time here with us in the herd. That said, okay, 473 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 4: can you be I know it's a new era. I 474 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 4: would we could go back and forth on whether or 475 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 4: not it's a new era for quarterbacks with that, but 476 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 4: that's I know it's a new era. Can you be 477 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,680 Speaker 4: that guy with a media social media entourage following and 478 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 4: be a backup quarterback in the NFL. 479 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 3: No, now you if you're a young guy, if you're 480 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: a backup a year or two possibly, but you you 481 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 3: can be a career backup and have that. No, I 482 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 3: don't believe so. Now the entourage is his older brothers, 483 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 3: So is it really? I mean, that's a family member 484 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: that's doing the recording, is Dion Jr. And so it's 485 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 3: tough to have an entourage and people recording you in 486 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 3: this camera that camera. When you aren't a starter, that 487 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 3: that is going to be tough. But once you become 488 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 3: a starter, you're gonna have to you're gonna have to 489 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 3: manage it. You can't. It can be over the top 490 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 3: all the time. You aren't going to have to manage it. 491 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: Because now other players are gonna feel they can do 492 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: certain things that they've seen you do and they're not you. 493 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,479 Speaker 3: And so it's a fine line that they're gonna have 494 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: to walk. But it's so far away. I don't mind 495 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 3: the video. Everybody is recording themselves. Whether they're gonna record themselves, 496 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 3: they're gonna go on live, They're gonna go on tickets, 497 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 3: whatever it is, or they're gonna have somebody do it, 498 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: and it's done the right way, and he's just doing 499 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 3: it the right way instead of doing it himself. 500 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, the only quarterback to be doing it. That's that's 501 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 4: that's there. The positional part of it is going to 502 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 4: be the interesting aspect. 503 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: You've never seen a quarterback do these things. 504 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 4: But hey, yeah, but he did it to be losing. 505 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, I'm just sitting it like when 506 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 3: the quarterback has always been the god. It's kind of quiet. 507 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 3: He's going to lead, but he isn't doing these things. 508 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 3: But he's look, his father maybe the flashiest football player 509 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 3: to ever play ever changed and so he's been brand 510 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 3: this way. 511 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 4: I know, I listen, I got it. I just it's 512 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 4: like you said, you can't do it if you're a backup. 513 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 4: And now he's hurt, gives other guys an opportunity. Maybe 514 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 4: they've maybe they fall in their face. Like I think 515 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 4: he's more talented than Dylan Gabriel. I think most people 516 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 4: think that, but Dylan Gabriel personality wise, is a great backup. 517 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 4: But did you draft to guy in the third round 518 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 4: to be a backup? I don't know. We'll we'll find out. 519 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 4: Let me ask you about Matt Stafford. So Sean McVay 520 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 4: comes out and says he's gonna do some throwing next week. 521 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 4: He was supposed to do some throwing this week. It's 522 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 4: it's what's the old Yogi bear expression, it's getting late early. 523 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 4: If you're should the Rams be freaking out over Matt Stafford, 524 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 4: I'd be concerned. 525 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 3: If you haven't, Yeah, you're Matt Stafford. Mat I met 526 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford when he was going into as sophomore year 527 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 3: at Georgia, so it's long ago. He was a great 528 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: throw out of football. Then he's still a great throw 529 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 3: at the football. Now. One thing he's gonna be able 530 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 3: to do is throw the football with great accuracy and 531 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 3: great velocity. He it will concern me that he hasn't 532 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 3: practiced in training camp. That that that is concerning, especially 533 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 3: when you say, okay, last Saturday he threw sixty passes. 534 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 3: We'll see how he feels on Sunday the next day. 535 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 3: So if he felt good on Sunday, you at least 536 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 3: would have practiced on Tuesday. And so the still now 537 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 3: practice shows me he didn't feel good the next morning. 538 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 3: Because if he felt good, he would have practiced, and 539 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 3: so it has to be concerning, like they can spend 540 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 3: it any way you want to spend it. If Matthew 541 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 3: Stafford isn't practicing, something is bothering him. And so if 542 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 3: I'm the rounds us concerning because the Rams are Super 543 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: Bowl contenders, but they aren't Super Bowl contenders that Matthew 544 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:31,720 Speaker 3: Stafford isn't under center. 545 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 4: Calum Williams did he play Doug. 546 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: I'll say this, and I've told people this. If Caleb 547 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 3: Williams does not have success, this won't go to the 548 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 3: coaching staff. We can't blame matt uber Flues and the 549 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 3: offensive coordinator Ben Johnson is proven. Ben Johnson resurrected Jared Goff. 550 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 3: Ben Johnson had the number one offense in the league 551 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 3: every year he was in Detroit. They were top three, 552 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 3: four or five moving the ball up. And like we know, 553 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 3: Ben Johnson can get it done. If they don't have 554 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 3: this is all gonna be on Kayler Williams. Can he play? 555 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say yes, but I don't know why you 556 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: didn't play the first game, Like it's a new system, 557 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: very interesting, but I must say yes, Caleb Williams can play. 558 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 3: They have the weapons at the skill position. They reinforced 559 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 3: that offensive line through free agency, but I'm slightly concerned. 560 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 3: I'll say that who's. 561 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 4: Here the best man? We gotta catch up in person. 562 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 4: I appreciate you join us. Thanks for our guest in. 563 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: The hurt, Doug. I appreciate you, man. Take care. 564 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 4: That's my guy, TJ. Houshpinsat up for a Pro Bowl 565 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 4: wide receiver, the wide spear pro whisperers whisper joining us 566 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 4: in the herd. Let's get to Greg Tooey with the. 567 00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: News, no nor line news. 568 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 6: Hello dugger, Hello Gregory. By the way, do people call 569 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 6: you coach now or do they call you Doug? Everybody 570 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 6: calls me coach because everybody I know who's a coach, 571 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 6: I call him coach. 572 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 4: Yes, everybody in Green Bay. It's all right, you coach. 573 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 4: It's the weirdest thing. Well, you got to do the 574 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 4: Green Bay and you got a quote a coach, he 575 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 4: coach coach PI. That's a little that was. 576 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 6: That's pretty close though, No, No, that's too far to 577 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 6: Green Bay. 578 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 4: I have been to Green Bay. Yeah, I've been to 579 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 4: a Wisconsin game football game. Oh you went to they 580 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 4: played this year? The years ago we did a remote area. Yeah, 581 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 4: next year they play Uh no, no, tra Dame at 582 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 4: at Lambeau. Yeah it was great. Madison's awesome. 583 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 6: Madison green Bay, I'm sorry, yeah, green Bay. Yeah, but 584 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 6: Madison is Wisconsin. Yeah, yeah, so it's not green Bay. Yes, Douger. 585 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 6: We got a coach. Coach, we got a big series. 586 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 6: We have a big series in LA. This weekend in baseball, 587 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 6: the Dodgers and Padres facing off three game series at 588 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 6: Chavez Ravine. But now it's the Dodgers looking up in 589 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 6: the NL West as they trail the Padres by a 590 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 6: game mid August Dog Days. 591 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 4: Here was Dave. 592 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 6: Roberts this week on LA falling out of first place 593 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 6: after being swept on the Angels. 594 00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 2: Where where we're at? 595 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 3: We put ourselves in this spot. But no, I wouldn't 596 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 3: have expected to spit second place. 597 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 6: Right now, the Dodgers were being billed by many as 598 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 6: being maybe the best team in baseball three stopping. 599 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 4: There was a lot of that talk. There was there 600 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 4: was nurse. 601 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 6: You know, when they lost their first game, people were like, oh, 602 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 6: they're not going to go one sixty two, and oh 603 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 6: how could they? 604 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 4: Who are these people who thought they were team ever, 605 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 4: they're a lot. They're randos on social media. There don't 606 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 4: pay attention to randos social media. All right, whatever, injuries 607 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 4: in consistency have killed them this year. But how worried 608 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 4: are you about the Dodgers? 609 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: Not? 610 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 6: Are they still a lock to make the World Series? 611 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 4: The you know, they never thought they were a locked, 612 00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,959 Speaker 4: but I mean, you still have to put them as 613 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 4: it's a favorite, assuming they get healthy. There's a lot 614 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 4: of people that didn't think they did enough at the 615 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 4: trade deadline, and you look at what's happened to them 616 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 4: before and since the trade deadline, and there's some legitimacy 617 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 4: to that. But if we if we dial back to 618 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 4: last year in the playoffs, Padres were up two games 619 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 4: to one. Everybody thought they had him dead to rights 620 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 4: and it's talking a bunch of ish and the Dodgers 621 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 4: bounce back and win the series and then go on 622 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 4: and win the World Series. So I do think that 623 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 4: when they got six against the Padres out of the 624 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 4: next nine and the Rockies in the middle, yep, yeah, 625 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:37,479 Speaker 4: look I would if you if you're anywhere below five 626 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 4: hundred in these next six against the Padres and oh yeah, 627 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 4: by the way, you need to at least win two 628 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 4: out of three against the Rockies. So if you're a 629 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 4: couple over five hundred after the next week and a half, 630 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 4: then I think you take a breath. If not, like, 631 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 4: if it's an abject disaster, then they got swept by 632 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 4: the Angels, which part of it is one of the 633 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 4: good stories in baseball is that the Angels are not terrible. 634 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 4: And I understand that we don't cover sports where like, hey, 635 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 4: they're mediocre, But if you're an Angel fan like I am, 636 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 4: you're like, they're mediocre, it's kind of awesome. And they're 637 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 4: getting closer too. You can see it. They're getting a 638 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 4: lot closer. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, point is I think 639 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 4: you got to feel like they've got to win at 640 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 4: least five or six out of the next nine, and 641 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 4: then you can take a breath if you go like 642 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 4: two and seven, start sweating a little bit, all right. 643 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 6: Wrapping up with this, cluh Terry McLaurin continues to be 644 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 6: a hold in at Commander's campus. He waits for a 645 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 6: new deal. This week Cliff's Kingsbury thero c. He's starting 646 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 6: to voice his frustrations without the offense is still a 647 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 6: worker in progress as we move closer and closer to 648 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:43,240 Speaker 6: the regular season. 649 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a work in progress. There's no doubt. 650 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 7: I don't think until we get some of these other 651 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,919 Speaker 7: pieces back, we're going to know exactly what we are. 652 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 7: We've had some good opportunities to see other guys get 653 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 7: work and these positions. But when you don't have your 654 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 7: kind of projected top to outside receivers, you know, one 655 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 7: of your projected both of your projected inside pieces at guard, 656 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 7: it's not going to really give you the chance to 657 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 7: jail or really build that relationship until you get a 658 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 7: vite off on the grass. So that's something we have 659 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 7: to get to over the next three weeks. 660 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 6: I mean, I think it seems more likely than not 661 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 6: that Jaden Daniels is going to take some kind of 662 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 6: a step back this year. A lot of people don't 663 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 6: think so, but not having Terry McLaurin in camp isn't 664 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 6: helping matters. Daniels made people forget how great c. J. 665 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 6: Stroud was his rookie ear based on how good you 666 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,240 Speaker 6: know Jayden was last year. But with every NFC team, 667 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 6: NFC East team game planning to slow him down, is 668 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 6: it crazy to think that he won't be as good 669 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:37,279 Speaker 6: as he was last year. 670 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 4: No, I mean again, there's there's a there's a chance 671 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:46,480 Speaker 4: there to, you know, a sophomore slump, if you will. First, 672 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 4: we all know Terry mclaurin's going to be there, right sure, Yeah, 673 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 4: it's gonna get this done la minute. He'll keeps him 674 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 4: out of keeps him out of camp. But I wouldn't 675 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,399 Speaker 4: be concerned. They start the year right, Giants at home, 676 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,160 Speaker 4: the game that they should win, right game, they should win. 677 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 4: Everybody's healthy, they should be better and further along than 678 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 4: the Giants. And you know, Jane Danis at this point 679 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 4: in his career has a much greater trajectory than Russell 680 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 4: Wilson at this. 681 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:12,879 Speaker 3: Point in his career. 682 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 4: Then they come to take on the Packers, and that's 683 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 4: a quick turnaroun. It's a Thursday night game right now. 684 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 4: The Packers will play the Lions and then they play 685 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 4: the Commanders. So they go Giants at home, Packers in 686 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 4: the road, Raiders at home. If you start two and 687 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 4: one like, you're good, So much of it's how you start, 688 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 4: and you start with will met them two home games 689 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 4: against two very likely non playoff teams. You got to 690 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 4: feel good about yourself. If you're the Commanders, considering the 691 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 4: year that you came off, is it possible. Yeah. I 692 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 4: mean the reason that that division was how it was 693 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 4: was who they crossed over against. And this year, who 694 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,959 Speaker 4: they cross over against, it's going to be a little 695 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,439 Speaker 4: bit more difficult. They do have the Broncos, albeit at home. 696 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,040 Speaker 4: They do have the Dolphins, albeit at home. And it's 697 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,799 Speaker 4: in November, so you got to feel like cold weather 698 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,960 Speaker 4: that that helps you out. You do have to go 699 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 4: to the Chiefs, you have to go to the Chargers, 700 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 4: gotta go to the Falcons, gotta go the Packers, gotta 701 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 4: go the Vikings. So just some tough games. I think 702 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 4: what you're talking about is very honest, very real. Right 703 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 4: memory commander has played a last play schedule and now 704 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 4: they don't, So I do think there'll be some leveling 705 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 4: of it. If he doesn't level off, then this guy's 706 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 4: a super still be Yeah, he'll be Yeah, that's the news. 707 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the. 708 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 4: Herd line and oh yeah, by the way, part of 709 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 4: the whole why Jaden Daniels was successful initially was he 710 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 4: had years and years of reps Arizona State into Florida 711 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,760 Speaker 4: State where he had an unbelievable or into LSU, sorry 712 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 4: LSU where he won the Heisman Trophy. Right, that's a 713 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,880 Speaker 4: guy that played a lot of college football. Is it 714 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 4: time to sound in the alarm? With the rams and 715 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,919 Speaker 4: the Matt Stafford issue. We'll discuss next in The Herd. 716 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays 717 00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 2: and Neon Easter not a em Pacific. 718 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 4: Doug Gotti be in four columnists The Herd, Fox Sports Radio, 719 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,200 Speaker 4: I Heart Radio app. When's the proper time to freak out? 720 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 3: Right? 721 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 4: And I'll tell you it's because it's like I have 722 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 4: a lot of friends who are have their kids going 723 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 4: off to college, right, send their kids off to college, 724 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 4: and they're gonna be homesick. I remember when I was 725 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 4: the other day in like the first two weeks were 726 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 4: like a dream, Like there's no parents around, and when 727 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 4: you first get there, it's like freshman orientation. You know, 728 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,399 Speaker 4: it's just meeting chicks and getting numbers, right, That's that's all, 729 00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 4: that's all it is. And you start you start like 730 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 4: all right, like possibles not possible. As you start recruiting whatever, 731 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 4: it was unbelievable Now I had traveled a lot as 732 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,760 Speaker 4: a kid playing basketball, so the traveling and my parents 733 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,000 Speaker 4: didn't like take me there and drop me off and 734 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,560 Speaker 4: set up my room and kissed me goodbye. They're like, 735 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 4: put me on a plane a foot to Chicago. My 736 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 4: dad had a guy who played for him who's a 737 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,879 Speaker 4: big stock trader. He actually took me on the floor 738 00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,799 Speaker 4: of the exchange in Chicago and then like two days 739 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,279 Speaker 4: later drove me to South Bend and that was it 740 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 4: was bye bye, and I had a bag and that 741 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,759 Speaker 4: was it. And then my parents came in on a 742 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 4: couple weekends in took me to Best Buy, bought a 743 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 4: couple of things and that was that. You know, got 744 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,880 Speaker 4: the room fridge, I got a TV VCR combo, but 745 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,799 Speaker 4: it was white and open, open box, right, But that 746 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 4: thing was money that lasted post college anyway. Nowadays, you know, 747 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 4: especially with young women, you take him to school and 748 00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 4: there's crying and then they're rushing for sororities and like 749 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 4: if you don't get picked for the sorority you want, 750 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 4: Like these women think like their life is going to end. 751 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 4: It was like, okay, the point is I put two 752 00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 4: in college last year. Two girls are twins, okay, and 753 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 4: the adjust and for both was different. At what point 754 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 4: do you freak out and go like, well, maybe this 755 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 4: is the wrong school for the kid, right, and when 756 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 4: you're from southern California, they all want to come home. 757 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 4: Why because it's it's the old Why Southern California so expensive? 758 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 4: You know what the answer is, because it's worth it. 759 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 3: Right. 760 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 4: It is. I love where I live, I love what 761 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,719 Speaker 4: I do. But I mean again, if I was a 762 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 4: rich person and I could live in southern California and 763 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 4: just chill you and have the lives that high school 764 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 4: kids have, because that's what they think. They think they 765 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 4: go back in their high school life right when they 766 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 4: don't have a lot of they just but that's not 767 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 4: the reality anyway. When do you freak out? When is 768 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,839 Speaker 4: that moment? Is it week three? Is it week four? Hey? 769 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 4: Get through the first semester, because the truth is that 770 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 4: it's the start of your second year. If you go 771 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 4: back to your sophomore year and you're like, this is 772 00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 4: still not my place, that's probably really the time. First 773 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 4: year is really weird murky. For Matt Stafford, when's the 774 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,879 Speaker 4: moment that we freak out about the back? I don't 775 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 4: think it's that big a thing that he couldn't after throwing. 776 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,239 Speaker 4: Like that's what old men do, right. If you go 777 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 4: out and play basketball and you haven't played basketball in 778 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 4: a month, you're going to be sore the next couple 779 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 4: of days. And so you don't keep playing basketball, keep 780 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 4: getting more sore, that's when you get hurt. Because like 781 00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,360 Speaker 4: we're a week away from freaking out of Man Stafford. 782 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 4: No freak out yet, no freak out yet. Wait to 783 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,320 Speaker 4: hear what one college football coach said next, and the 784 00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 4: r