1
00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,400
Speaker 1: This podcast is presented by Pacific Office Automation, proud partner

2
00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760
Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals and your one stop shop for

3
00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:13,360
Speaker 1: optimizing all your office technology. Visit Pacific Office dot com.

4
00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,280
Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it put? Oh my goodness,

5
00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,760
Speaker 1: it's put. DeAndre Hopkins, he put it for dockdown. You've

6
00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:27,040
Speaker 1: gotta be joking me. Welcome to Cardinals Underground, presented by

7
00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:32,080
Speaker 1: the Pacific Office Automation. Visit Pacific Office dot Com. Problems solved,

8
00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,440
Speaker 1: updown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces? All

9
00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,040
Speaker 1: that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news and

10
00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,320
Speaker 1: notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled by Simmons.

11
00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:46,120
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, bring it on.

12
00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,600
Speaker 1: Slam the ground by foot a baker like a torpedo.

13
00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,760
Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared of nobody.

14
00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:58,320
Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic. Let's find out today which one of

15
00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,000
Speaker 1: us gets into a meditation posts first, either out of

16
00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,760
Speaker 1: need or want. Darren, you have your legs crossed right now?

17
00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,080
Speaker 1: What does that say? What does the body language say? There? Felipe,

18
00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:11,520
Speaker 1: you're sort on the edge your seat. You actually have

19
00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,000
Speaker 1: a second layer on. I don't really feel like the

20
00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,039
Speaker 1: ac is that intense in here. But you're like a coach.

21
00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,600
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter what the weather conditions are, you always wearing

22
00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,320
Speaker 1: that weather eyes jacket. Doesn't matter exactly. Although yours isn't

23
00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:25,759
Speaker 1: cut off of the sleeves. You don't want to show

24
00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,600
Speaker 1: off the guns or the ink today, So that's good,

25
00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,360
Speaker 1: like a Matt Prater. We'll get into that a little

26
00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:31,680
Speaker 1: bit later. So I went and looked up this meditation

27
00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,440
Speaker 1: pose okay here on Cardinal's Underground and some images popped up,

28
00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,800
Speaker 1: and then I went on Twitter, and I'm trying to

29
00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,280
Speaker 1: figure out, okay, what exactly, And here's what I realized

30
00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:45,039
Speaker 1: that Kyler Murray is being accused of plagiarizing that pose

31
00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,880
Speaker 1: from international soccer European soccer fans. But that really wasn't

32
00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,120
Speaker 1: my takeaway. It was what the Euros were posting and

33
00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:58,320
Speaker 1: calling football quote eggball overseas, they're calling the sport of

34
00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,720
Speaker 1: football eggball, or their term was American hand egg And

35
00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,680
Speaker 1: then there were a lot of Pejordas at the expensive

36
00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,680
Speaker 1: European people or is this like foreign language people that

37
00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,040
Speaker 1: just don't translate. It was as people in support of

38
00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,280
Speaker 1: all these European soccer teams, and they were taking umbradge

39
00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,080
Speaker 1: that NFL football was actually getting some sort of headlines.

40
00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,440
Speaker 1: And once again they were calling an eggball an American

41
00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,600
Speaker 1: hand egg, which I've never heard before. I mean, because

42
00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,280
Speaker 1: that meditation post hasn't been around for thousands of years,

43
00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,600
Speaker 1: probably predate soccer people. People are saying that he copied

44
00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,120
Speaker 1: Baby Yoda from The Mandalorian for those that watched The

45
00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,400
Speaker 1: Mandalorian on Dizzy Plus, that's where it started. I stopped

46
00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,560
Speaker 1: watching Star Wars years ago. You know. I was in

47
00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,000
Speaker 1: on the first but then once it got beyond the

48
00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,600
Speaker 1: trilogy and it got into pure money grab and they

49
00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,919
Speaker 1: turned it into rides at Disney and so forth, I said,

50
00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,399
Speaker 1: you know what, I just don't have time. Paul CALVICI

51
00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:55,280
Speaker 1: is just so pure diehard Star Wars menpot Diehard, Absolutely not.

52
00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,960
Speaker 1: But I have a younger brother who is and may

53
00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:58,680
Speaker 1: or may not have been spotted a comic con a

54
00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,880
Speaker 1: time or two, and so trying to mention that this

55
00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,720
Speaker 1: sort of a stain on the family family name, Let's

56
00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:06,760
Speaker 1: just put it that way. I mean, all right, here

57
00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,639
Speaker 1: we go. Cardinal's Underground Brought to you by Pacific Office Automation,

58
00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,440
Speaker 1: and do we really buy Kyler's excuse? And then we'll

59
00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,519
Speaker 1: go from here. Are we saying he has no knowledge

60
00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,639
Speaker 1: of Star Wars and or that wasn't In response to

61
00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,880
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, Darren Irban, you spent a lifetime sitting in

62
00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,720
Speaker 1: these pressors trying to figure out back from fiction. I'm

63
00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,680
Speaker 1: surprised that there's all these people that like, would doubt

64
00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,800
Speaker 1: that that he I mean, I've run into lots and

65
00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,960
Speaker 1: lots of people who have never seen Star Wars, believe

66
00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,000
Speaker 1: it or not. He's not the first, so I don't.

67
00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm not understanding. He didn't say it with a smile

68
00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,320
Speaker 1: on his face. He looked actually a little irritated that

69
00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,520
Speaker 1: people were thinking it was Star Wars. I don't know

70
00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,000
Speaker 1: why everybody's like, oh, he's lying, he's totally copying Star Wars.

71
00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,840
Speaker 1: I find that to be a little crazy to me. See,

72
00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,480
Speaker 1: I happen to be one of those people that pret quarantine.

73
00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,000
Speaker 1: I had no clue of any Star Wars references or whatnot.

74
00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,160
Speaker 1: So I believe it, especially because Kyler Murray's more of

75
00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:10,880
Speaker 1: a you know, he puts in that Karate Cape emoji

76
00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,960
Speaker 1: on a lot of a lot of his pictures and whatnot,

77
00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,839
Speaker 1: so I think it was more of him, you know, meditating,

78
00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,040
Speaker 1: as if he was like Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan

79
00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,440
Speaker 1: something in that regard. He definitely, I will say this,

80
00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,960
Speaker 1: whatever it was, he was playing it the whole way

81
00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:26,320
Speaker 1: because he gets in the end zone and then he

82
00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,000
Speaker 1: runs over and doesn't. Yeah, whatever it was, he was

83
00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:32,159
Speaker 1: ready to do it. And he had the Bruce Lee

84
00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,760
Speaker 1: picture on his path too, So that was pretty cool.

85
00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,800
Speaker 1: You know, that was pretty quezy. When it comes to

86
00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,840
Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the NFL, I want to I want to

87
00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,280
Speaker 1: say Kyler Murray is one of the most Here comes

88
00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,520
Speaker 1: another word. He has a lot of swag. Swag. You know,

89
00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,839
Speaker 1: it's tons and tons of swag. It's funny you bring

90
00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,800
Speaker 1: it up, fet because you know, I had a question

91
00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,920
Speaker 1: in the mailbag this week that somebody was like kind

92
00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,279
Speaker 1: of upset that there seemed to be so many Cardinals

93
00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,640
Speaker 1: fans that don't like Hyler or don't like his leadership

94
00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,360
Speaker 1: or whatever. And I do feel like there is definitely

95
00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,200
Speaker 1: a and and part of it might be his age,

96
00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,839
Speaker 1: but I do feel like there's a there's a vibe

97
00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,960
Speaker 1: there where there I'm not going to say there's a cutoff,

98
00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,640
Speaker 1: and there's always there's gonna be younger fans that don't

99
00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,440
Speaker 1: like him, and there's gonna be older fans that love him.

100
00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,599
Speaker 1: But I would say in general, as you get older

101
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,680
Speaker 1: as a fan, it seems like you're more likely to

102
00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,000
Speaker 1: not like him for one reason or another, And as

103
00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,120
Speaker 1: you get younger as a fan, it seems like there's

104
00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,440
Speaker 1: more chances that you will like him. The things that

105
00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,200
Speaker 1: Kyler likes to do, the things that Kyler embraces, are

106
00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,920
Speaker 1: the things that quite frankly now I'm sounding old young

107
00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,400
Speaker 1: people embrace. He likes, he likes playing video games. The

108
00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,000
Speaker 1: swag means something to him. The Instagram pictures mean more

109
00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,080
Speaker 1: to him than giving a good press conference, And those

110
00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,479
Speaker 1: are the things that younger players, younger people seem to enjoy.

111
00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,240
Speaker 1: And I do feel like as you skew older, more

112
00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,520
Speaker 1: people find reasons for fault with that. For whatever reason.

113
00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,599
Speaker 1: See now, I really am stumped and stupefied. It has nothing.

114
00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,160
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the words swag. All right,

115
00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,160
Speaker 1: you're not leaving me behind on the word swag. I'm

116
00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,480
Speaker 1: just gonna let you know it. But why would there

117
00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:12,800
Speaker 1: be any percentage of the Cardinals fan base that does

118
00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,719
Speaker 1: not like Kyler Murray. What's not to like about a

119
00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,160
Speaker 1: guy with nine total touchdowns, tied with Tom Brady for

120
00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,279
Speaker 1: number one in the league, and for the first time

121
00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,240
Speaker 1: in team history, you have two straight games to start

122
00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,520
Speaker 1: a season with thirty plus points in four hundred plus

123
00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,600
Speaker 1: total yards. I mean, you know it's not your right, dude,

124
00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,239
Speaker 1: not like the quarterback because of some sort of maybe

125
00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,800
Speaker 1: different personality trait that you're not on board with. I mean,

126
00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,400
Speaker 1: you're coming to this fight being that naive. Now you're

127
00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:46,040
Speaker 1: you're analyzing the psycho analysis of the quarterback. I mean, wait, wait, wait,

128
00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,040
Speaker 1: wait wait, and and we just this just came up

129
00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,520
Speaker 1: last weekend with the gentleman who came back. We just

130
00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,880
Speaker 1: went through a decade of this with Patrick Peterson. There

131
00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,760
Speaker 1: were plenty of fans who didn't like Patrick Peterson. And

132
00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,680
Speaker 1: it couldn't have had to do anything because there were

133
00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,080
Speaker 1: lots of people that didn't like him even before all

134
00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,279
Speaker 1: the crop happened with him. You know what, forget the

135
00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,040
Speaker 1: star wars. Kyler needs to grab the pa mic in

136
00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,600
Speaker 1: the next home game and just shout out like Russell

137
00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,000
Speaker 1: Crowe and Gladiator, are you not entertained. I mean, just

138
00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,600
Speaker 1: start yelling that out, because that's honestly, that's what it's

139
00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,760
Speaker 1: come to. He just launched his clothing brand over the summer,

140
00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,600
Speaker 1: and I was at his event where he held, you know,

141
00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,840
Speaker 1: his clothing line at Arizona Mills and it was sold out.

142
00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you saw a lot of younger fans and

143
00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,880
Speaker 1: attendance buying his clothing and whatnot, and actually had the

144
00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:35,200
Speaker 1: chance to interview him, and I liked what he said.

145
00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,320
Speaker 1: He's embracing the fact that, yeah, he's a younger quarterback.

146
00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,600
Speaker 1: I asked him with the difference between him and Aaron

147
00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,720
Speaker 1: Rodgers and Tom Brady in terms of branding, and he

148
00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,360
Speaker 1: embraces the fact that there are a lot of fans

149
00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,680
Speaker 1: that play video games, that like fashion, that like music,

150
00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,480
Speaker 1: aspects of his personality that many I don't want to

151
00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,240
Speaker 1: say older fans, like Darren said, but how would that

152
00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,360
Speaker 1: categories that kind of There's there's really no other way

153
00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,280
Speaker 1: to do it. The older the older generation might not

154
00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,240
Speaker 1: necessarily be a fan of but at the end of

155
00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:12,640
Speaker 1: the day, you know, he's playing to his brand. You know,

156
00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,880
Speaker 1: you see him part of phase, you see him, you

157
00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:18,320
Speaker 1: see him you know, listening to Drake and promoting that

158
00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,720
Speaker 1: aspect of his game. So I think it's a different

159
00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:24,120
Speaker 1: way from the norm of, you know, reaching out to

160
00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,600
Speaker 1: a different generation of fans, especially with how social media

161
00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,720
Speaker 1: is exploding. That's the thing. But the social media is

162
00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:36,480
Speaker 1: what changes everything because to Paul's point, if this was

163
00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,200
Speaker 1: twenty years ago, um, he might have some commercials and

164
00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,080
Speaker 1: he might whatever have some swag while things were different anyways,

165
00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,640
Speaker 1: but all this stuff, but it wouldn't be out there

166
00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,400
Speaker 1: as much, and it certainly wouldn't be out there as

167
00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:54,240
Speaker 1: much for people to comment upon because obviously any any

168
00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,400
Speaker 1: person can now have a Twitter handle or be on

169
00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,560
Speaker 1: Instagram and complain about things. And and that's part of

170
00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,679
Speaker 1: it too, is we just have this giant echo chamber

171
00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,120
Speaker 1: in this world of people that have opinions and now

172
00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,480
Speaker 1: they have an ability to let everybody know what they are.

173
00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,320
Speaker 1: But that being said, I mean, I mean, I look,

174
00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,480
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Paul. I mean, if the guy's

175
00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:19,679
Speaker 1: playing good football, what's the issue? But we know, bottom

176
00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,480
Speaker 1: line is there's always people. I mean, look, people people

177
00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,640
Speaker 1: say some of the same things about Baker Mayfield, who

178
00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,760
Speaker 1: led the Browns of the playoffs and the first time

179
00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:28,680
Speaker 1: or for the first time and forever last year, and

180
00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,760
Speaker 1: there's still lots of people that think Baker Mayfield, what

181
00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,440
Speaker 1: a what a waste and all this stuff because they

182
00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,440
Speaker 1: don't like that he does commercials or he's whatever. Right,

183
00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,800
Speaker 1: I mean this just in hello people. The influences that

184
00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,040
Speaker 1: formed you as a person when you're growing up in

185
00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:47,720
Speaker 1: your generation, Kyler is the same. You're identical. He just

186
00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,600
Speaker 1: happened to grow up in the age of social media

187
00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,600
Speaker 1: and video games and perhaps these fashion influences. He's far

188
00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,880
Speaker 1: from the only one. Quick sports quiz. How many different

189
00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,800
Speaker 1: guys have their own line of clothing right now and

190
00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:02,360
Speaker 1: they a store right Adrian back in the day, but

191
00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,959
Speaker 1: Byron Murphy Junior Christian Kirk have launched their own lines

192
00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,960
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. So you almost need two hands account how

193
00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,480
Speaker 1: many guys. It's a byproduct of the age in which

194
00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:16,160
Speaker 1: they grew up. Yeah, I mean so to dislike them

195
00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,880
Speaker 1: for being part of a generation within which they've grown

196
00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,319
Speaker 1: up in to me is absurd. Well, I agree, and

197
00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:32,280
Speaker 1: look the slings and arrows start with, you know, how

198
00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,560
Speaker 1: can you be a leader if you're playing video games

199
00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,040
Speaker 1: all the time or whatever. And it reminds me, what

200
00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,600
Speaker 1: do you think Chandler Jones did after his five stack game,

201
00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,960
Speaker 1: he went played Madden all night and again, I judge

202
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,880
Speaker 1: these guys and how they're playing, and Kyler Murray is

203
00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,520
Speaker 1: playing at an incredibly high level, So what the hell

204
00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,440
Speaker 1: does it matter what else he's doing. Although I am

205
00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,240
Speaker 1: shocked he got away with the Bruce Lee. I mean,

206
00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,680
Speaker 1: you have the uniform police on the sideline. That could

207
00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:03,400
Speaker 1: be the first and last time and ups, but it wasn't.

208
00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:06,199
Speaker 1: Those pants. Yeah, but no, you don't understand the way

209
00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:11,079
Speaker 1: those guys are looking for you and everything. So now

210
00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,960
Speaker 1: that that's out there, this is just a Pauli prediction

211
00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,920
Speaker 1: right here. Next game, the uniform police dude, the gestapo

212
00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,920
Speaker 1: of the uniform on the sideline is gonna have binoculars

213
00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,600
Speaker 1: if needed, focused on his thigh pads looking for that

214
00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,640
Speaker 1: in fracture. I am I will take that bet. And

215
00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,040
Speaker 1: didn't And maybe if they do see it, he's not

216
00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,960
Speaker 1: gonna get because it's underneath you can't. So now, all

217
00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,199
Speaker 1: of a sudden, so every guy that's wearing a T

218
00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:36,000
Speaker 1: shirt underneath his underneath his clothes, they're gonna well, if

219
00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,440
Speaker 1: it's visible, Yeah, the guy's all over, that's what he's

220
00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:42,000
Speaker 1: the only reason it was visible is because photographers got

221
00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:44,400
Speaker 1: up close and personal and took it as close. I mean,

222
00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,200
Speaker 1: Joe Blow couldn't have seen that. The reason that the

223
00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,440
Speaker 1: uniform police care so much is what it looks like

224
00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,160
Speaker 1: on TV. I guarantee you can't see that on TV. Oh,

225
00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,600
Speaker 1: of course, what's your guys' opinion on the whole taunting controversy?

226
00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,360
Speaker 1: There's you know, Pete Carroll spoke, I was thinking about

227
00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,600
Speaker 1: that because we have not had an example of that

228
00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,600
Speaker 1: in either of the games that the Cardinals have played.

229
00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:10,840
Speaker 1: And look, I'm the same way I do think And

230
00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,960
Speaker 1: it's funny. Ron Rivera was kind of talking about it.

231
00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,840
Speaker 1: There was there was some incidents last year that we're

232
00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,520
Speaker 1: we're getting out of control and it's going to get

233
00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:21,360
Speaker 1: to the point where there is going to be something

234
00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,400
Speaker 1: bad that happens. And I think that's what they're trying

235
00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,079
Speaker 1: to be careful of. But the problem is is like, Okay,

236
00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,679
Speaker 1: at what point do you determine this is too much?

237
00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,200
Speaker 1: I agree that some of the flags so far been like, oh,

238
00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:38,800
Speaker 1: you know, come on, I mean, but the thing is is,

239
00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,600
Speaker 1: and somebody brought up the Lamar Jackson flip in the

240
00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,599
Speaker 1: end zone and The difference is when you flip in

241
00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,640
Speaker 1: the end zone, technically you're not doing it. If you

242
00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,400
Speaker 1: go back and look at all the ones that have

243
00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,360
Speaker 1: been called, they're facing the guy when they do whatever

244
00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,040
Speaker 1: that is they do do I think it's kind of

245
00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,080
Speaker 1: soft sometimes those calls. Yeah, But at the same time,

246
00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, all it takes is I mean, for me,

247
00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,240
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm old school of this. If you get

248
00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,560
Speaker 1: in my face and you point at me because you

249
00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,079
Speaker 1: make a big play, I'm gonna punch you in the face.

250
00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,160
Speaker 1: And I think we both should be penalized for that.

251
00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,559
Speaker 1: And I don't and I know they don't want that,

252
00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, I've the problem is is like I've never

253
00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,880
Speaker 1: been a trash talker. I don't know, I don't understand

254
00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:25,920
Speaker 1: the point of trash talking, even when you played in

255
00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,400
Speaker 1: high school or anything. If you can't, if you can't

256
00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,480
Speaker 1: have your play stand for yourself, what the hell. But see,

257
00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,720
Speaker 1: I'm also older than you, Felipe. I mean, you grew

258
00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,240
Speaker 1: up in a time when I think, I mean, not

259
00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,360
Speaker 1: that it didn't happen back when I was playing, but

260
00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure it happens a lot more. And

261
00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,160
Speaker 1: and but this is where we are as a country too.

262
00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,680
Speaker 1: People and everybody wants to trash talking now, and where

263
00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,320
Speaker 1: does it get us? I don't think it gets us

264
00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,960
Speaker 1: to very good places. If podca VC mossed me in

265
00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,079
Speaker 1: the end zone, I feel like you would taught me right,

266
00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,719
Speaker 1: You would make some sort of reaction. Yeah, let's hear

267
00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,160
Speaker 1: some stories about funny because I told Drew stand that

268
00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,880
Speaker 1: when that fuel goal went wide, right, I had half

269
00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,520
Speaker 1: an inkling to run over to Kirk Cousins and scream

270
00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,560
Speaker 1: you like that, you like that? And Drew stan said no,

271
00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,640
Speaker 1: he would have dropped you with a straight right, like, oh, yeah,

272
00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,880
Speaker 1: you're you're You're probably right, But I said probably, you know,

273
00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,600
Speaker 1: probably right. I might, I might have ducked it, But

274
00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,520
Speaker 1: then I just pulled a quad in a youth baseball

275
00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:21,920
Speaker 1: the other day, so probably not actually in hindsight, so

276
00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,360
Speaker 1: my quicks aren't what they used to be. So maybe

277
00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:27,600
Speaker 1: that's my segue actually into the game a game, gentleman,

278
00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,720
Speaker 1: that was a game. A lead changes how many eight total?

279
00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,000
Speaker 1: Eight total lead changes, But it was the lead that

280
00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,760
Speaker 1: did not change at the end that ended up being

281
00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:39,240
Speaker 1: the difference. How about some takeaways around the horn, Paul,

282
00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,600
Speaker 1: when you're down on a I mean, did you know

283
00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,080
Speaker 1: right away or I did not know because and Drew

284
00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,680
Speaker 1: and I were talking about this. When you're fuel level

285
00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,640
Speaker 1: and you watch a fuel goal from the side, you

286
00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,760
Speaker 1: think you know that it's the depth perception, and you're thinking, okay, wait,

287
00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:54,760
Speaker 1: the fuel goals in front of the ball, like the

288
00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:56,840
Speaker 1: goal post is in front of the ball, right that

289
00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,080
Speaker 1: ball wasn't in front of the goal post. But as

290
00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,160
Speaker 1: someone who wears contacts without contacts, I couldn't drive home.

291
00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,360
Speaker 1: I usually don't trust my eyes on something like that,

292
00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,160
Speaker 1: so I did wait. I'mlike the King's radio announcer. I

293
00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,480
Speaker 1: did actually wait for the signal Before I realized it,

294
00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,240
Speaker 1: I was, well, I mean, I'm in the press box

295
00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,120
Speaker 1: and I try and push a story out as soon

296
00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,800
Speaker 1: as the game ends. So obviously I've written at this

297
00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,040
Speaker 1: point that they are going to lose, because I thought

298
00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,160
Speaker 1: for sure he was gonna make it, and so I'm

299
00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,840
Speaker 1: watching to see what happens, and I, you know, my

300
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,280
Speaker 1: son later gave me crap because he's like, why wouldn't

301
00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,800
Speaker 1: you just watch the kicker. The kicker is going to

302
00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,400
Speaker 1: tell you everything you need to know. I'm like, that's

303
00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,920
Speaker 1: a pretty good point. People thought about it. Yeah, my

304
00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,360
Speaker 1: first thought from where I and it's the press boxes

305
00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,800
Speaker 1: at the opposite end from where that goal post was.

306
00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Cardinals fans behind first, because I

307
00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,160
Speaker 1: know that they're all gonna be bummed if it goes through,

308
00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,440
Speaker 1: and I know there's gonna be a lot harder of

309
00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,480
Speaker 1: a reaction if it starts to miss. And that's the

310
00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,320
Speaker 1: first thing I noticed. And then of course I ducked,

311
00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,040
Speaker 1: dealt my eyes real quick down to double check with

312
00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,560
Speaker 1: the reffs before I sat down and started scrambling to

313
00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,360
Speaker 1: rewrite what little I had written already because it was

314
00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:06,280
Speaker 1: a completely different ending. So the Cardinals get the win,

315
00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,480
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter whether it was a dominant win

316
00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,400
Speaker 1: in week one. It doesn't matter if it's a game

317
00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,600
Speaker 1: perhaps you should have lost in week two. There's no

318
00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,400
Speaker 1: extra column in the standings. It's just win or loss.

319
00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,200
Speaker 1: And as we've all learned over the years, over the decades,

320
00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,760
Speaker 1: the good teams find a way to win those close games.

321
00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,800
Speaker 1: Whether they deserved it or not, that's up for debate.

322
00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,000
Speaker 1: And you know, with that in mind, Felipe, you give

323
00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,080
Speaker 1: me some of your top takeaways from that game as

324
00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,800
Speaker 1: we get rolling on this one. My immediate reaction was, man,

325
00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:41,240
Speaker 1: a lot of these players probably felt relieved. You know,

326
00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,360
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins didn't catch a pass from quarters two to four,

327
00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,440
Speaker 1: so he was probably feeling some type of way. That

328
00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:52,600
Speaker 1: run defense was you know, mediocre at best to an extent,

329
00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,240
Speaker 1: they probably felt relieved. So that was my immediate reaction.

330
00:16:56,320 --> 00:17:00,280
Speaker 1: But you know, again after the game, when Clipkey where

331
00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,480
Speaker 1: he gives his game balls, I'm always paying attention. Is

332
00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:05,080
Speaker 1: he ever gonna give it Advance Joseph, Like second week

333
00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,920
Speaker 1: in a row where Vance Joseph does something during the

334
00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:14,400
Speaker 1: game that results in a better outcome. In the second half,

335
00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,439
Speaker 1: he made the adjustments necessary. You know, he limited Kirk Cousins,

336
00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,919
Speaker 1: he limited Dalvin Cook. I think Dalvin Cook had like

337
00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,719
Speaker 1: thirty five rushing yards in the second half. Kirk Cousins

338
00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:27,560
Speaker 1: only had ninety six passing yards. So Van Joseph made

339
00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,439
Speaker 1: the necessary adjustments to come out with the win. So

340
00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,600
Speaker 1: that was my biggest takeaway. I know a lot of

341
00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,840
Speaker 1: people are going to talk about Kyler Murray's performance, as

342
00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,920
Speaker 1: they should. They're going to talk about their wide receivers.

343
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,520
Speaker 1: But if Vans Joseph doesn't make the necessary adjustment coming

344
00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,080
Speaker 1: out of the half. I don't think the Cardinals come

345
00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,399
Speaker 1: out with the win. Of course, luck I hear a

346
00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,080
Speaker 1: lot of these players always say, you know, it's hard

347
00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,199
Speaker 1: to win in the NFL. Wins a win, so I

348
00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,679
Speaker 1: guess a win's a win. Well, and if you're not

349
00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,120
Speaker 1: going to give the defensive coordinator a game ball after

350
00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,040
Speaker 1: week one, then you're not going to get one after

351
00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,840
Speaker 1: week two. So you know, you sort of made your

352
00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:04,000
Speaker 1: own point in there because the first half was ugly.

353
00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:06,520
Speaker 1: It was ugly. They were averaging eight yards of carry

354
00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,040
Speaker 1: the stat Craig Grilo had in the first half. There

355
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,480
Speaker 1: were six runs of ten or more yards. Dalvin Cook

356
00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,240
Speaker 1: was getting to the second level consistently without getting touched.

357
00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,720
Speaker 1: I mean, we're hearing those two words gap integrity again,

358
00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:22,520
Speaker 1: which nobody needs to hear. We don't want to hear

359
00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,520
Speaker 1: any of that from Steve Wilkes, don't you. Oh boy?

360
00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,640
Speaker 1: I you know, it automatically makes me think of Robert Kimdici.

361
00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,119
Speaker 1: It really when I think of gap integrity, I think

362
00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,200
Speaker 1: of Robert kim Dice. I think of Corey Peters after

363
00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,399
Speaker 1: the game with bailed references as to how certain members

364
00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,400
Speaker 1: of the defensive line we're just freelancing on their own

365
00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,560
Speaker 1: and not paying attention or heating gap integrity. Hence there

366
00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,399
Speaker 1: were massive holes. So I don't know if some of

367
00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,480
Speaker 1: that was that play. I don't know if it was

368
00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,320
Speaker 1: a byproduct of when Derrick Henry got rolling a little

369
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,719
Speaker 1: bit in the third quarter at Tennessee and the linebackers

370
00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:56,359
Speaker 1: were over pursuing, and that was analysis from Rob Frederickson,

371
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,720
Speaker 1: a guy who had played the position. So I don't

372
00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:02,200
Speaker 1: know if it's a combination there of both. I will

373
00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,080
Speaker 1: say this, if we're talking about things we don't like

374
00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 1: from last week. I don't like hearing the head coach

375
00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,359
Speaker 1: after the game saying we came out flat. I don't

376
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,400
Speaker 1: like Buddha Baker in the team breakdown after the game

377
00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,640
Speaker 1: ball presentation saying we need a better Friday practice. Yeah.

378
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,760
Speaker 1: I did notice that. I did talk to a few

379
00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:24,399
Speaker 1: coaches who confirmed yeah, most of the coaching staff was

380
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,760
Speaker 1: not on board with the full week of practice leading

381
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,480
Speaker 1: into the Minnesota game. So then that leads me to

382
00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 1: believe just putting one and one together. It brings me

383
00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 1: to the word complacency, which is the eighteenth opponent on

384
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,439
Speaker 1: the Cardinal schedule. That's from the quarterback did some of

385
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:41,399
Speaker 1: that play in considering the way they came out, and

386
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,040
Speaker 1: in the second play of the game he had a

387
00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,679
Speaker 1: sixty four yard touchdown catch and run wide open, blown coverage.

388
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,719
Speaker 1: So little things like that at me a little concerned

389
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 1: because it's sort of a relapse of last year. And yeah,

390
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,080
Speaker 1: you're going into Jacksonville a team that has lost seventeen

391
00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:02,919
Speaker 1: straight games, and in the last seventeen straight losses they

392
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 1: have allowed twenty three points or more in every single loss.

393
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 1: So if you think you're going to roll the old

394
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 1: football out there, the old hand egg or American eggball,

395
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: whatever their heroes are calling it, and just chock up

396
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,560
Speaker 1: a w that's not the way it works in the NFL.

397
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 1: For a context, what is a Buddha Baker saying let's

398
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,479
Speaker 1: have a better Friday mean for those that are listening

399
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 1: that might not understand why that's important, can you help

400
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,640
Speaker 1: us out? It's a student a droid question over there,

401
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: felipa because I've often said Felipe is a droid, is

402
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 1: not Detroit with alacrity as well, These are all big

403
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:40,119
Speaker 1: Alum Michael's words he likes to use in primetime State Graduate.

404
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: So Drew Stanton is according to Drew, Now, in defining

405
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,359
Speaker 1: a Friday practice, you get out, you get it in quick,

406
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:47,120
Speaker 1: you get your work in. It has to be really chris.

407
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 1: You get a sweat, you get off the field, but

408
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,119
Speaker 1: you make sure it's crisp and efficient. Everybody's on board.

409
00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: So any aspect of that I guess was lacking, you

410
00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:57,879
Speaker 1: can fill in the blank. I have no idea. I

411
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,959
Speaker 1: haven't talked to Buddha Baker, I haven't asked him elaborate

412
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: on that. He just said they needed a better Friday practice.

413
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:07,399
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing the focus wasn't quite there the degree

414
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: a team captain would have wanted to see. Which it's

415
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 1: interesting because Buddha said this year how important it was

416
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 1: for he and others to you know, he had said

417
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 1: early in training camp that you know, in the past,

418
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: maybe I would have let some things go, and now

419
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 1: I'm calling him out. The thing is is that the

420
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: question becomes now now that we heard that comment we

421
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 1: need a better Friday practice. Did that come up in

422
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,120
Speaker 1: the huddle after Friday's practice and then he was reiterating it,

423
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 1: or was it not brought up until after the game

424
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,959
Speaker 1: when they realized, oh crap, this had made a difference,

425
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:44,919
Speaker 1: and that would be something that I want to know.

426
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you're you're going to it's it's not

427
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,199
Speaker 1: like they put the defensively they played poorly most of

428
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: the first half, but the offensively, I thought they played well.

429
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 1: Special teams obviously played well, Matt Prade or crazy. But

430
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: so if the defense just plays a little bit better

431
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: against the runner, doesn't you know, blow something right out

432
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,919
Speaker 1: of the box. I guess I'm finding levels to it.

433
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,360
Speaker 1: You're if they lose, we're talking about this completely differently,

434
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 1: And that's that's part of the problem. One missfield goal

435
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: changes everything. We're finding all the positives and saying, you

436
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 1: clean some stuff up, Whereas if they lose that by

437
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: the field goal, everybody's like, oh my god, they blew

438
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: a chance to win. They did this wrong and this wrong,

439
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: and this wrong and this wrong and this wrong. And

440
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: that's usually how it goes. But I agree with you

441
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: going into Jacksonville, you absolutely have to win this. I

442
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: don't I don't care if it's by one or by

443
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: three or whatever. You just you got to make sure

444
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 1: you come out of this with a victory. I mean,

445
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are a bad football team right now. Would

446
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: the conversation be different in the sense of if Kyler,

447
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: let's say they make that field goal, right, is a conversation, no, man,

448
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 1: that pick six that Kyler married through is going to

449
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 1: come back and haunt them, or is a conversation still

450
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: in the defense, because because aside from the picks, and

451
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 1: aside from that blown coverage in the first of what

452
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: two plays of the game, that's fourteen points right there,

453
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: you knocked that off. Where is a conversation at that point?

454
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, for me, I just think Kyler played too

455
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 1: well overall. Yeah, he threw two picks. You can you

456
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: can have your arguments back and forth over the second one,

457
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: whether he should have thrown it or whether he shouldn't

458
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: have whatever. But your to me, your quarterback's gonna throw

459
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: some interceptions. I mean that's going to happen. I mean,

460
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 1: you don't want it to be a pick six. I

461
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: would have liked, with all the great things Rondale Moore did,

462
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: I would have liked to see him try and grab

463
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: vigils ankles instead of trying to pop the ball loose

464
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: like he was trying to do and lost the chance

465
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: at stopping and at least maybe get a field goal.

466
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: Try out of that rather than giving up the touchdown.

467
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: But I mean again now that they've won, and maybe

468
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Paul, but I just I see the beginning

469
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: part of the defense and that that's what scared me

470
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 1: because because I was so I was so enthused over

471
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,160
Speaker 1: how the defense played the first week, and I guess

472
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: I was just so shocked. Well, it can't be that easy.

473
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,879
Speaker 1: To me, it can't be that easy to run the

474
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: ball like they did, especially with a suspect interior o line.

475
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 1: Minnesota got dominated by Cincinnati the week before. The two

476
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: guards gave up a combined three sacks, and then they're

477
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: playing with backup a backup left tackle. So yeah, I

478
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: was shocked. I really was. I was shocked that Minnesota's

479
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: old line performed as well as it did, allowing only

480
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: one sack, piling up the rushing yards like they did.

481
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: And it was also the eyeball test, just Dalvin Cook

482
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: untouched and then they he was able to get in

483
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: space and manness elusive right, making guys miss left and right. sEH.

484
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 1: I do think Dalvin Cook's a different running back than

485
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: Derek Spencer, and I think I think the Cardinals defense

486
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: matches up better with a Derrick Henry than it does

487
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: a Dalvin Cook. Here's my concern though, just like it's

488
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: just like last year when the blueprint was out, have

489
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings put a blueprint out on the Cardinals

490
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: defense already? In that Okay, I guess what, no more

491
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: single blocking for Chandler Jones. He's gonna get chipped or

492
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: get extra attention on every snap, which is what Cliff

493
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: Kingsbury told us on his Coaches' show. So if that's

494
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: the case, and then all of a sudden, you're gonna

495
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: take it right to the Cardinals straight up the middle.

496
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: Up they got the A and B gap, and you're

497
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: going to exploit those young inside linebackers and or Jordan Hicks,

498
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: who isn't perhaps the most stout at the point of attack,

499
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: I'll say that much. And so, which is one of

500
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: the reasons they went after Zavin Collins in the first place,

501
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: number sixteen overall. So guess what, I think the blueprint

502
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: is out against this Cardinal's front seven, and they're probably

503
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 1: going to see a heavy dose of that. Again, I

504
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: would imagine with James Robinson, who was top five in

505
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: rushing yards a year ago. And if I'm Daryl Bevill

506
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: and I'm Jacksonville. That's the way I attacked the Cardinals defense.

507
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: But it can't be that easy to meet and neutralize

508
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 1: a Chandler Jones and just foil the Cardinals pass rush.

509
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: He got three quarterback pressures, okay, but they had one

510
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,479
Speaker 1: sack in the game, and Kirk Cousins was pretty much

511
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: clean the entirety of the game. He had an easy

512
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: god to work with, and so I just those are

513
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: things that you have to wonder about. And then their

514
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: ability to take DeAndre Hopkins out of the game after

515
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: the first quarter, and you're Kyler Murray when he said

516
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: we have to move him around more in the postgame

517
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 1: press or Okay, is that him talking to himself? Is

518
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: that him talking to the offensive coaches? Well, I mean,

519
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: I do think it's important to get DeAndre Hopkins the

520
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: ball more often. I mean, not only did he not

521
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: have a catch after the first quarter, I'm not sure

522
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 1: they threw it his way, which was really surprising to me.

523
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: And we walk a very fine line here, guys, don't

524
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 1: we Because he threw for four hundred yards and they

525
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,639
Speaker 1: had they had almost five hundred yards of offense, and

526
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, Max Williams had ninety four yards and almost

527
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: became the first tight end of Cardinals tight end since

528
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine with one hundred yard game, and rob

529
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: Rondale Moore's over one hundred yards and Christian Kirk is

530
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: making such crucial catches and his averaging seventeen yards a catch,

531
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: so I know, I know DeAndre Hopkins is gonna want

532
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: the ball, and I know they need to get him

533
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: the ball more often. And there were times when you

534
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: want to look at him in crucial situations because you

535
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: can trust that he would get there, but you have

536
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: to balance that with like some of the other stuff

537
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 1: was working too. So here's the difference. This year. You

538
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: can win without DeAndre Hopkins the games last year where

539
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins was bottled up, those RAMS games, in particular

540
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: against Jalen Ramsey, you virtually had no chance. Well, now

541
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 1: this year when DeAndre Hopkins is stopped like he was

542
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: after the first quarter. To your point, there's Christian Kirk

543
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: and ron Dale Moore and AJ Green had a touchdown

544
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 1: catch and look at Max Williams with career highs catches

545
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: and yards. So that makes me bullish on this year's offense.

546
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: But long term, you have to figure out a way

547
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: to free up. It can't be that easy that all

548
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: of a suddeny're putting a safety over the top and

549
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: there goes DeAndre Hopkins, an all Pro receiver. And I'm

550
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: also I'm also gonna quibble with you. You can win

551
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: without him. I disagree you can win without him. That

552
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: he still had a touchdown catch. Now it was early.

553
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: But if if he doesn't have that touchdown catch, which

554
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: it was him and Kyler working their magic together, and

555
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 1: if that's just a field goal again, you're you lose.

556
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 1: So I think they have to have DeAndre Appkins. Now,

557
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: do they need ten for one twenty and two touchdowns

558
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: every week? No? And I think last year, I agree

559
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: with you, if they didn't get ten one twenty and

560
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: two out of him, then it was more of an

561
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: uphill climb or is they're in a better spot now.

562
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 1: But I do think that DeAndre Hopkins needs to be

563
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: a guy that you're you're looking for more often, especially

564
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: again in crucial situations where you absolutely have to have

565
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: a first down and find a way. And I'm with you, Paul,

566
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm with Kyler. I wish they would move him around

567
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: a little bit more. That's been something that's been brought

568
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: up a bunch nationally with DeAndre Hopkins. I know why

569
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: they don't, and we talked about this last year. I

570
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: know it's it's now become a popular thing to talk nationally,

571
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: But we remember talking about on the podcast last year

572
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: about you know, it has to do with tempo and

573
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: wanting to jump right back into the play. But I

574
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: think they'd be better off moving him around a little

575
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: bit more. I think they set the blueprint for games

576
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: like when they do play the Rams, when they do

577
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: play secondaries that are a little bit more elite because

578
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: now we don't have to depend on DeAndre Hopkins. Now,

579
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: let's pick your poison. Are you gonna leave aj Green

580
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: out right when one on one coverage and he's going

581
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: to stiff arm you? Or are you gonna leave Ronda

582
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: Moore in single coverage and he's gonna basically outrun you.

583
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look down the stat sheet, d

584
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: hop past three touchdowns, Kirk has two, More has one,

585
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: Green has one, and you can't ignore what Kyli Americ

586
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: can do out of the backfield. In Week two, that

587
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: wide receiver group had two hundred and seventy eight yards

588
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 1: that's the second highest in week two, and we're talking

589
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: about not in not seeing a complete game from DeAndre Hopkins,

590
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: but at the same time, you still have the se

591
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: a highest receiving yards in that wide receive a google

592
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: You're just a wing paulse point, which we don't like

593
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: to do around here. When it comes to clutch catches though,

594
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: and this is very subjective, but when it comes to

595
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: clutch catch's degree of difficulty, does anyone top Christian Kirk

596
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: right now? No? I mean, honestly, whether it was the

597
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: third and sixteen or whether it was the fourth and

598
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: five I mean that or the first one to the

599
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: Willie Mays catch and then the great eleven yard or

600
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: right on the I mean, he's playing unbelievable football. That's

601
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: ten points, right because on that third and sixteen that

602
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: resulted in that Kyler Mary to a touchdown, and then

603
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: that fourth and five that resulted in in a field goal,

604
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: which again should have been a touchdown. But you know

605
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: for what every reason. So although can I quibble with

606
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: the fourth and five, it was at the forty one.

607
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: Why risk a fourth and five when you can just

608
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: automatically kick the fifty nine yard field goal? Why Why

609
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: why go for the fourth down right there and risk

610
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: losing possession when you've got Matt Prader who'll just connect

611
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: on a fifty nine yard blast like it's a chip shows.

612
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: Here's my theory. I think ever since Kyle u Reguard left,

613
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: I think he's been talking to Cliff Hey and going

614
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: go for more for downs right because we know that

615
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: some of the things that some of the things Kyle

616
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: is tweeting these days, I don't think he's talking to class.

617
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: By the way, in honor of Kyle and his stinking math,

618
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: here's some analytics for you, Kyle, if you're out there listening.

619
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: This is from next Gen Stats. Apparently they agreed with

620
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury's decision to go forward on fourth and five

621
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: sighting and I quote now most definitely quote I am

622
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: not capable of generating this sort of math, citing a

623
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: three point eight percent difference in wind probability in going

624
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: for it versus not going for it. Now, what in

625
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: the sam name of Kyle does that mean? I have

626
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 1: no idea what a three point eight difference better chance

627
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: of winning? I guess I don't know how they let

628
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: me ask no question? Would they calculate that stuff, or

629
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, if there's a ninety five percent confidence interval

630
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: and generating generating those numerals, I have no idea. I'm

631
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: gonna trust them. It's all about the mast. It's funny

632
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: you bring up the fifty nine yard or I think

633
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: part of that is because of where you are situationally

634
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: in the game. Do Let's say Rondelle Moore gets out

635
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: of bounds at the Minnesota forty four yard line deep

636
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: in the first half, but there's still like a minute

637
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: left and instead of being a first down, it was

638
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: fourth and five. Okay, do they try the sixty two

639
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: yard field goal there? I say absolutely not. Of course

640
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: they don't. The only reason they did was because it

641
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: was the last place. So I think that's why they

642
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: don't try the field goal there. I think I think

643
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: if it had been fourth and five at the end

644
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 1: of the first half and there was still a minute

645
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: left at the forty four, they probably go for it

646
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: there too, instead of kicking it. That's that would be

647
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: my thought. Yeah. Probably. By the way, here's a funny

648
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: little anecdote from the sideline. It's the start of the

649
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: second half and there's time to kill. Cardinals are starting

650
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: on offense and there's Matt Prador on the sideline and

651
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: someone had mention, ay, that's a franchise record sixty two yards.

652
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: Matt It barely got a shrug. I mean, he didn't

653
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: even change a facial expression whatsoever. And then you realize, well,

654
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: the dude not only holds the NFL record for the

655
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: all time longest field goal of sixty four yards, he

656
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: also holds three individual team franchise records. Here's what cracks me.

657
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: So it's no biggie for the guy. I did a

658
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: story on Prayer and I'm looking up all these numbers.

659
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: He's only attempted to sixty yard field goals in his career,

660
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: the one Sunday and then the record breaker. Wow, I

661
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: did not realize that because he's never missed from sixty.

662
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: Here's the other stat that's ridiculous. Matt Prator has not

663
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: missed in twenty two field goal attempts on a game

664
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: winning fuel goal with two minutes or less or overtime.

665
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: Think about that. It's I knocking about that. I think

666
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: that was probably tops at the resume when they went

667
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: and signed him as a free agent, right after what

668
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: we've seen the last few years. So I mean that

669
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: that is remarkable, that is astounding. At the end of

670
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: the Patriots game in twenty sixteen and the end of

671
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: the Patriots game, and then he's a stone faced killer

672
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: on the sideline. By the way, those kickers are like

673
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: hockey goalies. You know, Darren used to cover hockey right,

674
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: all the quirky personalities and every guy. You know, Neil

675
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: Rackers had the mindset of a middle linebacker. He'd run

676
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 1: down there and right and Jay Feeley loved to have

677
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: an ongoing conversation about anything and everything on the side,

678
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: and he'd run his own talk show while he's down there.

679
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: And then you know the Catman, Chandler Cat and Zero.

680
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: He's a little nervous Nellie a little bit, you know,

681
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: down there a little bit. And so you know he

682
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: had Ben Graham, the punter from Australia. Hey mate, you

683
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: know he was total chill. You know, everyone's the other

684
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: only but I mean, Matt Prador, do not play poker

685
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: with this man. He's just got this poker face all

686
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: the time. And he's got the tats, he's got the

687
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: ink that Ron Wolfley loves uh. And then he by

688
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: the way, he drives a muscle car with seven hundred

689
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: plus horsepower, So you know there's a he's got. He's

690
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: got this mentality that might be lie the body type.

691
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that on Matt Prator, very intriguing guy.

692
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 1: You need do an in depth analysis. I'm a feature story.

693
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: I'd been a feature story on him, and it was

694
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: more circled around and how he kicks. But once again

695
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: we're getting back to you know what, you don't have

696
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: a right to know a guy's personality, but yet full circle.

697
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know, you know, I don't know.

698
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: You know he's got swag, he's an older guy. Yeah,

699
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if he was just

700
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: a fan, if he'd like Kyler. Now, okay, now I'm

701
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: just throwing. Now I'm going to get somebody in trouble.

702
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: Matt Prader loves Kyler. By the way, I'll get you

703
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: in trouble with Ron Wolfley. Is Kyler a franchise quarterback

704
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: yet or not? Is he a franchise quarter yet quarterback

705
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: yet or not? Because I don't think wolf is ready

706
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: to crown him a franchise quarterback yet. Yeah. Well, remember

707
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: how we were talking about older generation and Kyler Wolf's

708
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: pretty old boy. What was his reasoning though? Shots fired?

709
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: What was his reasoning though? Is it the video game player? No?

710
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: With with Wolf? Look, I I've heard Wolf argue this

711
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: lots of times, and you know, Wolf is just Wolf

712
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: seems like the kind of guy that a guy already

713
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: has has to play ten years before he's going to

714
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: crown anybody anything. So I think it's a matter of time.

715
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: Maybe with Wolf, I personally do I think he's a

716
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. I'm gonna say yes because I've seen it now.

717
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: I've seen the progression over two years in two games.

718
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: I've seen it continue to arc up. I know he's

719
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: going to get a giant contract, and I know that

720
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: he is a guy that helps you win football games. Now,

721
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: to me, saying a guy is a franchise quarterback doesn't

722
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: guarantee you're going to win a super Bowl because it's

723
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: hard to win a super Bowl and there has been

724
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: some great quarterbacks that have not won a Super Bowl.

725
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: But if we're talking about a franchise, to me, a

726
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback is a guy that you're like, I want

727
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: him as my quarterback. I'm not thinking about changing my quarterback,

728
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: and I think he absolutely has proven that you're not

729
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: thinking about changing your quarterback. And I think he's improved.

730
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: Talking about in ways that he's progressed Darren, And this

731
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: is something that I get a lot of head scratchers

732
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: because I listen to some of the people at the

733
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: national level, Stephen A. Smith, who constantly, constantly rave about

734
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: his Russian ability. They always talk about how Kyle did

735
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: that too. Yeah, and it's it's always the narrative around

736
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 1: Kyler is always about what he can do with his feet.

737
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,720
Speaker 1: But I mean, can we not agree that he's improved

738
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: passing the balls? Well, I mean the team's what third

739
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: in the league and passing the passing yards through two weeks.

740
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean some of the passes that you've seen them

741
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 1: make out of the pocket kind of their eye openers. Now,

742
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: does he need to clean up some things like the interceptions,

743
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: of course, because you compare them to the Tom Brady

744
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers of the world. And I mean you

745
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,399
Speaker 1: look at the statue. Tom Brady five touchdowns in week two,

746
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: no interceptions, Aaron Rodgers last night, four touchdowns, no interceptions.

747
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: So he is a franchise quarterback because he's improved in

748
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: some of the questions that we had coming into year two,

749
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: year three, ken he pass the bad does he have

750
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: the arm strength? Is he too oh he's too short?

751
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: Type of thing? But I think he's gone against that.

752
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: He's proven that he's in NFL. He's an elite NFL quarterback.

753
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: Now what needs to happen for him to be in

754
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: that elite top tier conversation, Right, and it all starts

755
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: with the interceptions for me, well, and you also you're

756
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: some of the national analysts. I think most recently was

757
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: D'Angelo Hall on NFL Network talking about the mind of

758
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,280
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. To me, it's obvious that's where he takes

759
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: the next step. Right. You know my mantra which I'm

760
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 1: still waiting for somebody to purchase and trademarks so I

761
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: can just go ahead and retire and live off the proceeds.

762
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: Come for the arm, stay for the legs. I'm now

763
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: going to evolve that come for the arms, stay for

764
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: the legs. Admire the mind of Kyler Murray as he's

765
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: making these decisions and he's staying in the pocket. And

766
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: you heard Cliff Kingsbury talk about his ability to extend

767
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: these plays. And now they've studied other high powered offenses,

768
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: and he called it some of the top offenses in

769
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: the league and create in that second phase of the play,

770
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: which obviously we saw multiple times against the Minnesota Vikings

771
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: the seventy seven yard to Rondale Moore most in particular,

772
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: that second phase of the play that becomes really difficult

773
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: to defend. And you saw it Vikings dbs after a

774
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: number of those plays where Kyler's escapability and he's turning

775
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: his back to the line of scrimmage and he's using

776
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: his rear view mirror and then he gets his eyes

777
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: down field and he completes a pass. And those Minnesota

778
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: Vikings dvs were cheesed off. They're yelling at each other.

779
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: They're frustrated. That was your guy. You know you're supposed

780
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: to stay in that zone. They got all discombobulated and

781
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 1: how and today passions credit. He said it during the call.

782
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: I mean, ninety nine point nine percent of the quarterbacks

783
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: on the planet cannot do that. You can kind him

784
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: on one hand. We saw Lamar Jackson do it the

785
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: other night. Mahomes obviously has that ability, but not with

786
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: the sheer speed of a Kyler Murray. Even Mahomes not Lamar,

787
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: because Lamar is every bit as fast, at least to

788
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: my eye having watched him field level as well as

789
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. But I mean it's it's k I learned

790
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, who are able to escape some of those

791
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: pass rushers the Vikings put on him. I feel like

792
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: I do feel like Russell Wilson has a way to

793
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 1: do it. Now. The difference is Russell Wilson rarely he's

794
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: not the same guy if he decides to run with

795
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean, he's had some long runs, but

796
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: he's not he doesn't have the speed of those other

797
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: two to really hurt you. But I do feel like

798
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: russells in that category. But again, I see a guy

799
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: that is getting smarter. He's making checks at the line.

800
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 1: We saw it again the Christian Kirk thirty five yard

801
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: play on fourth down. He checked out of that and

802
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: he went to the play that worked in Tennessee and

803
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: it worked again. And that's to me, that's smart football.

804
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: I agree with Phelipe. You want you want to cut

805
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: out the interceptions. You know, again the second one, Kyler

806
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: said that he felt like if he doesn't get hit

807
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: or grabbed or whatever happened into his face mask that

808
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: he thinks there's a touchdown. I've seen a screen grab

809
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: of Christian Kirk deep I'm not sure gets intercepted. I don't.

810
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: It might have been a low percentage shot at the

811
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: end zone, but I think it would have been in

812
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: the end zone and there would have been people going

813
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: up for it. And the way Christian Kirk's playing, who

814
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: knows if he would have gotten it the first interception,

815
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: I just didn't. He was in the pocket for forever

816
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: he wanted. He decided to stay in the pocket, which

817
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: was fine, but he kind of like looked over there

818
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: long enough where even I knew where the ball was

819
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 1: going to go, and it just he doesn't have that

820
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: strong of an arm where he's gonna It reminded me

821
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: a little bit that pass of the Aj Green completion

822
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: in Tennessee, which when you watch it, you're like, how

823
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: the hell did he get that without the cornerback able

824
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: to close on it. I thought it was going to

825
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: get picked and AJ Green caught it on the sideline,

826
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: and you know that's that again, that's the part of

827
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: him where he knows I'm uber talented and I have

828
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: an uber strong arm, and I'm going to try and

829
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: make something happen that most people on the planet can't.

830
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: And in this case, it just didn't work. And you

831
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: know what, it's the guys with the greatest arm talent

832
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: that can get him in trouble sometimes when they think

833
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: they can complete every pass. Yes. Absolutely. And it's interesting

834
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: because after the Jaguars lost their seventeenth straight game to Denver,

835
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of comments from Denver DBS and

836
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: they cited Trevor Lawrence. They said, any rookie quarterback with

837
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: the massive arm thinks they can fit it in anywhere,

838
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: and they're gonna try it, and they're gonna test you,

839
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: and they're gonna try and force that football at times.

840
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: And we got him twice. That was the Denver defensive

841
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,240
Speaker 1: secondary talking. And you know what, I think that scenario

842
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 1: where Kyler is still learning and we saw that twice

843
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: in this last game, that he does have such great

844
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: arm talent, the arm angles, the velocity, even more zip

845
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: on the ball this year than in years past, according

846
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: to his receivers at Chase Edmonds and Christian Kirk and company.

847
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: That yeah, there's a few times where perhaps and even

848
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: Drew stan side of this. You know what I think

849
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: on the second one, I'm gonna rocket this thing downfield.

850
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: But in the NFL, with the way safeties play, it's

851
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: too risky air yards that he had on the Rondale

852
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: Moore pass and it wasn't a perfect spiral. You look

853
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: at that the ground level one and it's ducking its

854
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: way out there. But he's running left, he's running left

855
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: and he threw it. What do you throw at thirty

856
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 1: yards in the area at least? I mean, that was

857
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: That's crazy. And I think Kyler Mary is one of

858
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: the best improvisers in the NFL. Right, you mentioned Lamar Jackson.

859
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: But Lamar Jackson he had, you know, out of his

860
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 1: pass past attempts, thirty eight percent of them were labeled

861
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,760
Speaker 1: as accurate in Week two compared to eighty point seven

862
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: from Kyler Murray. So things like that when people try

863
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 1: to us over there, when people try to bottle both

864
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: of those quarterbacks up, I tend to disagree because I

865
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: haven't seen Lamar Jackson b consistently accurate. And I think

866
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: that's an area where Kyler Murray has improved. I mean,

867
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: when he improvises and he leaves that pocket, I mean,

868
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: you're not I want to say a handful. More than

869
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: a handful of those quarterbacks get sacked in the backfield.

870
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: But Kyler Murray has a way of escaping pressure. He

871
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: knows when to run out of bounds. He knows when

872
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: I pass it. I think he's matured, He's improving. He

873
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: knows when to run out of bounds most of the time, exactly. So,

874
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: I think in those areas, in those areas when it

875
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: comes to improvising in the NFL, Kyler mary is close

876
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: to mastering it. Again. He needs to improve in play recognition,

877
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: things of that nature, but I think having the qualities

878
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: that he has that labels him as a franchise quarterback.

879
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,879
Speaker 1: How does Jacksonville win this game? Darren Urban go if

880
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: somebody for the Cardinals gets hurt. I don't believe in

881
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: that stuff. You haven't done this long enough. I don't

882
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: believe in any of that stuff. You know, that's a

883
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: great question. I mean, honestly, I've been and Paul, you've

884
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: been there too. They got off They beat Jacksonville in

885
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, the last time they were there, and but

886
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 1: they got off to a slow start and it was hot,

887
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: it was early in the season. They have had their

888
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: issues in Tampa Bay even against mediocre Tampa teams because

889
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: they go cross country and it's hot. And that's the

890
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: one thing I'm a little concerned about is like, what's

891
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: the weather going to be? Like last time we're in

892
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: Florida was Miami and it was rating sideways and absolute

893
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: sheets And Patrick Peter is saying, what's the problem. This

894
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: is what I grew up with down here. What do

895
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: you guys have a problem to say? Yeah, I got

896
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: a problem. I just I keep thinking of like eighty

897
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: eight and high high humidity, and just like bluh yeah,

898
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 1: and if you don't come out like you would said earlier,

899
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: I'm like, you can't afford to come out flat in that.

900
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: I keep thinking back to that twenty the Bruce Arians

901
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen game in Tampa, and even they played with

902
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: wizn't on in two thousand and seven in Tampa and

903
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: it was just like they slept walk through most of

904
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: the game because they because of the weather and because

905
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 1: of the trip and everything. And I'm just I'm hoping

906
00:45:56,280 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: that this team jumps out early, realizes their mistake in

907
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 1: this past week, jumps out early, and plays with a

908
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: little bit of enthusiasm because I think that's going to

909
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: be necessary because if you the one thing you can't

910
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: do for Jacksonville is let them stay in the game.

911
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: They're they're looking to get beat down, So beat them down.

912
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: Are you guys gonna go fishing in Jacksonville? I know

913
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: you guys leave. Like what Friday? You guys? I have

914
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: you guys have all Saturday? Well, what's your guys is

915
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: when you have a day off like that on the road,

916
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: what do you guys say doing well? I'll be honest

917
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: with you. Now that I'm not on morning radio, I

918
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: actually do make plans. In the past, I'd sleep eighteen

919
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: hours on that Saturday. So now I actually have the

920
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: ability to do something. So that's a great I need

921
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 1: to call my travel agent and figure something out. Why

922
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 1: do you have his suggestion you have good fishing spot?

923
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: Fleep as you got. A guy is talking to us

924
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: about how when he goes to Florida he fishes and

925
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 1: you know you gotta listen to probably like he's one

926
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: of those guys that if he catches a fish, he's

927
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: gonna grill it that same night, you know, cut it

928
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: up something like that. So do we have to talk

929
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: about his his carne Sava and the wood, the piece

930
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: of wood. If I catch a fish, I'm gonna take

931
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: it to Rolando because he'll be able to skin it

932
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: and de bone it and all that get it ready

933
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 1: actually for fil at because that's that's not gonna happen

934
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 1: for years, truly. No, it's I mean, I'm trying to

935
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: think of you know what scares you about this game,

936
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: and it's all related to the Cardinals and if you

937
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: can't stop the run, and you know, if you come

938
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: out and you're going through the motions, but if you're

939
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: going to try and replicate the Tennessee trip, which was

940
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: very similar the early kicks off in the ninety degrees

941
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: and ninety percent humidity, then in your number one threat

942
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: on offense is the running back, just like the Tennessee

943
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,919
Speaker 1: Titans and James Robinson. Although they're not running him, he's

944
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: run like sixteen times in two games. That's it. He's

945
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: a top five running back. Aren't they behind like twenty

946
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 1: nothing after like two minutes apparently though, like they started

947
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: the game the opener against Houston with twelve straight passes,

948
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: they didn't even give him a rushing attempt in the

949
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: first quarter of the opener. I'm very curious to see

950
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: how the Urban Meyer era. Would you guys compare this

951
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: week to Week three of twenty twenty season when they

952
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: hosted the when the Cardinals hosted the Lions at home,

953
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: and they were the top rink offense and they had

954
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: all this momentum, and then because I know, I think

955
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: last year because of Matthew Stafford, I'm assuming I just

956
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: want to see a Matt Prater and Matt oh, that's right,

957
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: he's won that one in the game. I just want

958
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: to see a complete game from j. J. Watt. I mean,

959
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: I'll this talk about, you know, the defensive line, him

960
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: and Chandler Jones, but you know, I haven't necessarily seen

961
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: a complete game from him. You know, he's had flashes,

962
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: but when you have I think he had like at

963
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: forty two point eight run defensive grade according to Pro

964
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 1: Football Focus. I mean, come on, and there were two

965
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: or three other d linemen who were below him, zactly,

966
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: Zach Jordan Higgs had a twenty seven point eight run

967
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: defensive grade according to Pro Football I just I think

968
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: app integrity or black off. I think against the rookie quarterback,

969
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: I think they're going to be able to find some

970
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: things and for me, and I know you got to

971
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: get past the blockers first, but I mean, I think

972
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: a guy like JJ Watt and a guy like Chandler Jones,

973
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: I think they know down deep that if they get

974
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: to go against a rookie quarterback, they've got some things

975
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: in their toolbox. Would you guys say that not necessarily

976
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: being in training camp all month kind of had a

977
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: small effect on JJ wise, he still trying to get

978
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: his legs on the play. I thought he played really

979
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 1: well in the first game. I just I did. I

980
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: think he played great in Game two? Probably not, But

981
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: I have a hard time saying anybody on defense played great.

982
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: But I thought he played. I thought he played well.

983
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: I thought he showed up a bunch of times, and

984
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: he was eating up blockers, and you know, sometimes it's

985
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: not going to just be about the stats. So I

986
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,240
Speaker 1: liked his first game for sure. Yeah, the front seven

987
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: and the first half struggled with four gez, There's no

988
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: doubt about it. And then they went jumbo according to

989
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: Buddha Baker, in the second half. So whatever that means exactly,

990
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: they had much more success in the second half. But

991
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: everybody in the defensive rount owns the first half or

992
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: just wide open rushing lanes for Dalvin Coo that were

993
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,759
Speaker 1: inexplicable and inexcusable. And it'll be curious to hear what

994
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 1: Man's Joseph has to say about that this week, because

995
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: that was one of the leading things he wanted to

996
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: resolve from last year was the fact they were bottom

997
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: third and running defense. So, and guess what, You're in

998
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: a division with the Niners, who are a run first offense.

999
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: You're in a division with the Seahawks who still have

1000
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: a very potent run game. For everything that's about the

1001
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in San Francisco, the play caller, the head coach,

1002
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: and then Russell Wilson, there's still a run first mentality.

1003
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: So that's going to be a huge liability for this

1004
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals team in the division games if they don't

1005
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 1: resurrects some semblance of a run defense on a consistent basis. Well,

1006
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: for the same reason that we shouldn't have gotten over

1007
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: our skis after the Titans game that they were the

1008
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: best defense since the eighty five Bears, we should not

1009
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: be getting over our skis that you know this could

1010
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,879
Speaker 1: be a season long thing. Let's let's kind of see

1011
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: how this plays out. I mean, they do face a

1012
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: good running back this week, but this offense is not great.

1013
00:50:56,480 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: The Rams game next week will be very interesting because

1014
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: it's the Rams offense. It's not like the Rams have

1015
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: a really great running back. And in fact, Henderson, their

1016
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: top running back right now, is dealing with injuries. So

1017
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: we'll see where that goes. But you know, I think

1018
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 1: this team has got the abilities they would just they

1019
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 1: gotta get that consistency. Hey, this might be the last

1020
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: game before ramand Meyer, at least for the USC job.

1021
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: So well, we'll see about that. By the way, I

1022
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: think Vance Joseph, you watch, he'll show anything and everything,

1023
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: including the kitchen sink when it comes to looks and

1024
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: coverages and defensive fronts. Just because there's a rookie quarterback

1025
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: in game number three, I'm sure he'll show them anything

1026
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: and everything. I don't I don't want to get too

1027
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: far Afield, but I know we're getting near the end here,

1028
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: and I gotta know. I mean, we're talking about Star

1029
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: Wars earlier, oh, Lloyd, So okay, I got I gotta

1030
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: I think we brought this up last week, Phelipe when

1031
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: we talked about how you somehow had never seen Jerry

1032
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: McGuire even though it's been it was filmed right here, right?

1033
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: Did that come up last week? Yeah? I did. I

1034
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,839
Speaker 1: don't think well, I think I was like three years

1035
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: old when that came out. Okay, yeah, but there's such

1036
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: things as like streaming services and DVDs and I can't

1037
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: find it on HBO Max or YouTube TV. I know

1038
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: Pot doesn't like YouTube TV according to you know, his

1039
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: incident at the gym. If they want to bring in

1040
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: Calvisa consulting, I will definitely give them a lot of

1041
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: improvements on YouTube TV. I'm just saying. As as a

1042
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 1: home subscriber, I will say that there's a lot left

1043
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 1: to be desired and I will most definitely improve their platform. Okay,

1044
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: so my question is what what what Alzheimer movies? And

1045
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: Flip is probably gonna have more because you know he's

1046
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: a young but like, what what Alzheimer movies? If you

1047
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: say I've never seen that, We're all gonna go like, oh,

1048
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Yeah, But it's sort of the

1049
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: you don't know what you don't know? How does he

1050
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: know what he didn't see when he didn't see it?

1051
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean, my al timers like Space Gem type of

1052
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: thing like that's when I think of Alzheimer's when I

1053
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: have kids. I'm gonna ask him. I'm gonna make sure

1054
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: have you seen Star Wars? I have during the during

1055
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: the quarantine era. Okay, that's right, you're saying, yeah, your

1056
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: regional Star Wars a Return of the Jedi. Do you

1057
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 1: see the first two or three of them? Yes? Yes, yes, Okay,

1058
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: So here's the question, Paul, and then if he doesn't

1059
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: know what he doesn't know, throw me out one or

1060
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: two that you're like, Felipe, you really should have seen this.

1061
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 1: Oh boy, Blues Brothers? Have you seen Blues Brothers? I've

1062
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 1: never seen Blues Brothers. What does that say about protest you?

1063
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 1: Darren Urban has not seen Blues Brothers all the way through.

1064
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: I've never seen Animal House all the way through. You've

1065
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: never seen Animal House all the way through through. You

1066
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: know what, I'm now officially podcasting under protest. I'm filing

1067
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: this entire Carver. You don't have any even protest. You

1068
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: have no movies, like I mean, come on, is pulp

1069
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: fiction considered in all time? You know I haven't watched that.

1070
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: That's that's that was a little how about Caddyshack. You've

1071
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: seen Caddyshack. I don't know, but that's that's an older one.

1072
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: He was in that. I really don't know Bill Murray,

1073
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: I know every man has. Have you seen Ghostbusters? Uh?

1074
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: The original one? Not? No? Do you know who Bill

1075
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: Murray is? Yes? Yeah, he's that guy. He's like a

1076
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: big cous fan, right right. That's how I know him. Yeah,

1077
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: because a Cubs fan. Because he was in Space Chase

1078
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: and he pays plays in the Pebble Beach ProAm with

1079
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: Larry you know every March or whatever. You know. This

1080
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: is me slamming the microphone against my forehead here in

1081
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: protest of all this. I want to know what I

1082
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: want to know when you have a seen Paul, There's

1083
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: got to be something that you got to admit to

1084
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: the world. I'm sure there is, but I'm too distraught

1085
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: over hearing your selections there and what you guys have failed,

1086
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: just epic fails in your in your lifetimes. I hate

1087
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: to say it, so I just I don't know if

1088
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 1: I can continue, honestly with another edition of Cardinals Underground,

1089
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: brought to you by Pacific Office Automation. That's that's TBD

1090
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: based on next week, we'll see if I'm here or not.

1091
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: Somebody call Cole